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[–]futtbuckicecreameryResident Waffle Cone 22 points23 points  (9 children)

You know you've fucked up when even domestic violence perpetrator Wayne Carey doesn't want anything to do with that conversation.

[–]magnetik79 3 points4 points  (1 child)

It amazes me all the airtime (both TV and radio) this knob has been given in the years following the glassing of his (then) girlfriend.

The typically Australian "oh, you can kick a ball/bowl a ball - all is forgiven" mentality.

[–]futtbuckicecreameryResident Waffle Cone 5 points6 points  (0 children)

kick a ball/bowl a ball

I think you forgot to add the overarching 'is male' qualifier there.

[–]e-jammer 3 points4 points  (6 children)

I wonder what other ex football players feel about it as well, like Gary "A girl I gave drugs to overdosed in my hotel room and I left her for dead and called my lawyer" Tablet.

They really do have a culture of respect for women don't they..

[–]futtbuckicecreameryResident Waffle Cone 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Funnily enough his nephew Luke is an ardent feminist and domestic violence campaigner.

But yeah the sexist boy's club mentality is definitely alive and well, particularly in footy media which seemingly has no problems with giving jobs to violent thugs like Carey and Campbell Brown.

[–]MattDamon1 0 points1 point  (4 children)

What does Gary Ablett have to do with this?

[–]e-jammer 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Just pointing out Aussie Rules's long history of celebrating men who have done and/or said some horrible things.

[–]tdubeau 1 point2 points  (1 child)

So long that you cited one example! P.s. I don't disagree that either of these guys are scum and frankly I'm blown away that 7 corporate ever gave Carey a job.

[–]cadsy48 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you really challenging us to cite more than one example?

[–]Grommzz 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Did anyone else hear the clip Eddie played this morning of Carro's own 3aw workmates ? They made basically word for word the same joke about "holding her under" on the Monday of the Collingwood v Melb game.

Best part about it is she was able to take that as a joke.. why not Eddies little jab of exactly the same intent.

She's female so she's "precious" is the way it seems to be being played out to me.

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    [–]melbplm 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Not everything you hear is going to be something you agree with. If you're bothered i feel sorry for you, but don't expect the whole world to censor itself because you get triggered.

    [–]YarraYarra[S] 6 points7 points  (14 children)

    Fat prick opens his mouth and reminds everyone why he is a turd of a person. More at eleven.

    [–]showjob 1 point2 points  (13 children)

    Caroline Wilson is better? They are both as bad as each other

    [–]fearofthesky>Insert Text Here< 3 points4 points  (12 children)

    Weird. Never heard Caro make violent or racist remarks about others.

    EDIT: Just saw your comment over at /r/afl. You're an absolute muppet. Tagged as "sexist douchebucket" so I know to disregard anything you ever say about anything ever again. Muppet.

    [–]showjob 2 points3 points  (11 children)

    You don't know what you are talking about clearly it wasn't Eddie who spoke of the violence. Read the transcription and establish facts before you go shooting your mouth off.

    This level of social engineering is quite amazing it's now a week after the event. Caro wasn't enraged until social commentators made it a thing.

    If you read the transcription it was Frawley who said "I'll hold her down". It's clear to a person who understands English that McGuire and Brayshaw were saying that her unpopularity (which is known and established) would have people queuing up to pay to see her go down the slide.

    If that's violent and offensive then we have completely lost our minds.

    [–]Marc013 7 points8 points  (9 children)

    the central premise of this "threat" is caroline going into the pool by he own free will.
    The follow up is her staying below the water under her own volition.
    Followed by getting splashed by the wake of people bombing the water all around her.
    It's clear that Caroline would have to agree to the terms of the agreement for it to take place. There was no talk of forcing her in any way. Money to charity was the offered exchange.

    Calling this a threat is typical of the sensationalist news creation machine of which Caroline is a proud member.

    [–]AgentKnitterNorth Side 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    There was no talk of forcing her in any way. Money to charity was the offered exchange.

    First McGuire offers $50,000 to this charity if Wilson goes in and "stays under" (i.e. drowns)

    Brayshaw and Frawley immediately chime in that they support this threat. Carey says "yes, I'm here" in response to a question from McGuire as to whether or not he is there, but wisely (for once) doesn't say anything about McGuire's proposal.

    This is the worst bit:

    Frawley: I’ll actually jump in and make sure she doesn’t — I’ll hold her under, Ed.

    Let's go over that again: I WILL HOLD DOWN THE WOMAN YOU WANT TO STAY UNDER WATER i.e. until she drowns.

    This isn't a case of left wing media and feminists making a big deal out of nothing.

    This is a case of AFL 'personalities' casually discussing violence against women and expecting us to laugh at it. It's beyond fucked up. Erin Riley and Mika Perkins at the Age are entirely right to draw attention to this. There is no way McGuire, Frawley and Brayshaw should walk away from this without penalty to their careers. They just openly called for Caroline Wilson to be killed on air!

    And we're meant to laugh at that?

    TLDR: Threatening to drown someone is inappropriate. Full stop. It would be inappropriate if the target was a male journalist. However this female journalist has been repeatedly targeted by the AFL Boys Club for inappropriate 'feedback'/abuse. Threatening to drown a woman the week before the White Ribbon round is really fucking stupid levels of PR idiocy. McGuire, Frawley and Brayshaw all need to be sacked if the AFL and its associated media want to retain any credibility about their White Ribbon efforts

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I fucking hate Caroline Wilson, but Eddie went to far here.

    [–]HerbieErbs 2 points3 points  (6 children)

    who ever listens to the Saturday run knows it is pretty loose with a lot of jokes at the expense of each other and others. But The Age, who are clearly bias in this story, need to generate clicks somehow

    [–]malcolmbishop 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Biased*

    [–]HerbieErbs -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    You're quite right. But if you're going to pick up every grammatical error on Reddit then you're in for a long night buddy

    [–]AgentKnitterNorth Side -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

    it is pretty loose with a lot of jokes at the expense of each other and others

    do you generally condone jokes that are just overt threats to drown someone you dislike?

    [–]lukeptbaWest Side 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    do you generally condone jokes that are just overt threats to drown someone you dislike?

    We certainly don't punish them.

    If we only ever heard jokes that every single viewer at home would "condone" then it would be pretty fucking boring. You can't please everyone, th ebest you can do is aim to please the majority.

    The majority in this case being people who dislike Caroline Wilson be it on a personal level or a professional one.

    [–]AgentKnitterNorth Side 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Threatening a person is a pretty sure fire way to get a formal warning or fired in any other workplace. MMM should be thinking about their industrial record and social reputation.

    [–]wildturkeybruh -1 points0 points  (18 children)

    Commentator makes joke about the sports most despised "journalist" -everyone goes crazy because she's a woman and you can't make jokes about women.

    Goodness no.

    [–]tobtoh 5 points6 points  (5 children)

    As someone who doesn't really follow footy ... has McGuire made similar comments (ie along the lines of 'let's kill them) about other (male) commentators?

    [–]jiso 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    McGuire and Wilson have a long history of professionally targeting each other on their respective shows/articles.

    [–]wildturkeybruh 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    Not that I'm aware of, but singling it out BECAUSE she's a woman seems ridiculous

    [–]l3m0nadeinlay 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    It's easy to play the "feminists only want equality if it's convenient" card in situations like these. And to some extent, it could be true. If he had said it about a man, it almost certainly wouldn't have gained the same traction and backlash. And to that extent, I sympathise with the idea that everyone has gone crazy just because she's a woman.

    But in these situations, it's also helpful to look at his comments, and comments of male commentators with a wide audience (which I'd assume in the case of this broadcast, that it was a male majority) in the context of recent violence against women campaigns.

    Firstly, one would expect that someone with the amount of media experience that Eddie possesses, would understand the sensitivity surrounding the white ribbon round (this round). Whether or not you 'support' his comments, they obviously were going to have a backlash.

    To have a high profile, male commentator advocate violence (albeit jokingly) against a woman, in a round that's highlighting the issue of violence against women, indicates his insensitivity and lack of respect, perhaps, for an issue that he has a duty to represent somewhat, as a prominent public figure.

    Furthermore, he has had an active involvement in the induction and representation of the new women's league. Once more, for him to make such comments is insensitive, and illustrates a lack of regard for the severity of the issue.

    Overall, I do agree that people often jump on these comments particualrly because they're directed at women, and that isn't always fair, you're entirely right. But on the other hand, Eddie is a high profile media figure, and with such a role comes an obligation to show some sensitivity and foresight, especially at a time when multiple women's rights issues are gaining coverage in the media.

    [–]AgentKnitterNorth Side 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    But in these situations, it's also helpful to look at his comments, and comments of male commentators with a wide audience (which I'd assume in the case of this broadcast, that it was a male majority) in the context of recent violence against women campaigns.

    Exactly!

    This commentary is just so inappropriate. It doesn't matter one bit what Caroline Wilson is like. Threatening to kill her is just out of order. It would be out of order if Wilson was a male journalist - although frankly I highly doubt whether she would be so despised by AFL "personalities" if her columns were written by a bloke.

    Firstly, one would expect that someone with the amount of media experience that Eddie possesses, would understand the sensitivity surrounding the white ribbon round (this round). Whether or not you 'support' his comments, they obviously were going to have a backlash.

    Like his racist comments towards Adam Goodes, McGuire makes these comments when he is in his workplace, and presumably on his best behaviour.

    What the hell does he say or do when the cameras (or radio microphones) aren't recording?

    [–]djsinnema 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I dont think any of the other commentators have ever made them selves his personal enemy (or the whole Triple M call team for that matter).

    [–]futtbuckicecreameryResident Waffle Cone 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    [–]wildturkeybruh 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Equating Sam literally groping a representation of Caro on TV is the same as McGuire making a joke? Ok.

    [–]futtbuckicecreameryResident Waffle Cone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    It's a continuum, pal.

    [–]futtbuckicecreameryResident Waffle Cone 1 point2 points  (6 children)

    Yeah, no. There are plenty of horrible male hack footy journos out there that no one says boo about - this exact thing happens absolutely fucking everywhere when a minority voice dares to step out of their place.

    Adam Goodes is the perfect example of this - the vociferous and disproportionate hate thrown his way is the product of clear racial bias. Unfortunately those guilty of this have either deluded themself into believing the standard excuses for this and/or are simply not conscious of why they think this way.

    [–]wildturkeybruh 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    Damien Barrett cops as much shit as she does.

    [–]futtbuckicecreameryResident Waffle Cone 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I've yet to see him lambasted by his own industry.

    [–]tdubeau 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Because it's not turned into an event. These guys talk 20 hours of shit on the radio a weekend, are you listening to all of that? When they make a similarly 'violent' joke about a male counterpart, the CEO of the AFL isn't involved, there is no press release. So unless you're actively listening, you wouldn't know.

    [–]UnicornPenguinCat 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    I spent hours trying to explain this concept to my brother in law, gave up in the end :( But you have expressed it so succinctly.. I may have to borrow your explanation!

    [–]futtbuckicecreameryResident Waffle Cone 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Well thanks. Unfortunately I think people like that aren't really interested in questioning why they think the way they do.

    [–]UnicornPenguinCat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Usually that's true sadly :( But he did massively improve on the racism front after a trip overseas and the new perspective that came with it, to the point that he now has a close mate who is from a Middle Eastern background... so there may be hope for him.

    [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    She's a ghastly creature.

    [–]fjcostanza -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    Like every time Tony Abbot would rightly make a criticism of Gillard, he was called a misogynist.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (9 children)

    I don't know why a man with a history of making racist, sexist and stupid comments continues to be allowed near a microphone.

    [–]ya_y_not 9 points10 points  (7 children)

    Because we don't live in a dictatorship?

    [–]AgentKnitterNorth Side 3 points4 points  (6 children)

    Freedom of speech comes with the responsibility of dealing with consequences for one's speech.

    Eddie McGuire is free to say whatever he wants. That doesn't mean that he is free to remain employed while he drags his employer into disrepute by making sexist, racist comments over and over again.

    [–]futtbuckicecreameryResident Waffle Cone 3 points4 points  (4 children)

    Freedom of speech is not a recognised right.

    [–]SupersnazzSouth Side 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    It is a right in that there is no law against it. I have the right to say, have a lemon tree in my yard. Just because the right isn't in the constitution, doesn't mean it isn't a right.

    [–]futtbuckicecreameryResident Waffle Cone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Racial vilification laws to name one.

    [–]AgentKnitterNorth Side 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Actually it is in the Victorian charter of rights.

    [–]ya_y_not 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I'm not sure why you wheeled this out? I think if OP was referring to his employer, the answer is pretty obvious, and that's because they think he makes them more money than the alternatives.

    [–]eshaman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Andrew Bolt, Alan Jones, Tony Abbott... we've got a thing for loud mouthed bigots spewing vile rhetoric.

    [–]HerbieErbs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    i wish they'd shut up and start raising the money for this to happen

    [–]PPL2PASS -1 points0 points  (3 children)

    And this why Triple M is #1

    No fucks given.

    [–]e-jammer 7 points8 points  (2 children)

    Actually, PBS and RRR both give them a run for their money with almost zero marketing budget, but of course they personally pay the ratings company to get their hands on the data so no one else is able to.

    They also genuinely actually don't give a fuck, and therefore don't play the same 5 songs in a loop all day every day as they are told to.

    [–]mambo_australiano 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    The guy on RRR on Fridays is hilarious 👍🏻

    [–]The-C-Word -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    I think they meant no1 in footy.

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      [–]eshaman 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      Bogan, shitstains, dickhead, fuckwit, prick.

      so off color jokes are totally unacceptable but...