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[–]craig_hoxton 1368 points1369 points  (62 children)

Written by Aaron Sorkin ('The West Wing')

Lucy: "Desi, walk with me."

[–]PhinsFan17 334 points335 points  (5 children)

I mean, Lucille Ball did talk awfully fast.

[–]achieve_my_goals 20 points21 points  (3 children)

I want Cate Blanchett to play me in my biopic and I am neither white, nor woman.

[–]cleavercutthroat 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Considering she’s played Dylan, don’t lose hope

[–]MaybeNotYourDad 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I hope you achieve your goals

[–]GMHGeorge 70 points71 points  (0 children)

How many cigarettes will Lucy go thru on a Sorkin walk?

[–][deleted] 99 points100 points  (36 children)

No need to watch, we already know all the clever witticisms in the future script!

[–]indyK1ng 69 points70 points  (24 children)

[–]othelloinc 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Ha!

I clicked on it. It started playing the ad for Sorkin's Masterclass.

[–]totally_not_a_gay 9 points10 points  (0 children)

  • Copy the script for The West Wing.

  • Switch [setting] from [The White House] to [modern small market company]

  • Switch [plotlines] from [politics] to [issue in America today]

  • Pitch to Netflix

[–]Trollfailbot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

With how many hours of screenplay Sorkin has written I'm surprised this video isn't a lot longer.

[–]tazrarose 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And "the only thing you had to do to make me happy was come home at the end of the day"

[–]NemWan 16 points17 points  (1 child)

They're going to have to recreate the soundstage of every Desilu show to walk and talk through.

[–]AvalancheOfOpinions 2 points3 points  (1 child)

$50 says there's a courtroom scene.

[–]Charissa29 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but I will TOTALLY watch this! Cate Blanchett and Aaron Sorkin?! Happy!

[–][deleted] 1022 points1023 points  (146 children)

Lucille Ball’s overall career is really interesting, too ... I’m curious how much outside “I love Lucy” they’ll take on.

[–]theOgMonster 351 points352 points  (105 children)

Isn’t she somehow connected to Star Trek? I feel like I’ve read that before.

Just one of many interesting aspects about her I suppose! I also had no idea that she was at one point a dramatic actress.

[–]whichwitch9 324 points325 points  (4 children)

Yes, she was the 1st woman to own a production company, which later produced Star Trek.

She was a trailblazer in many ways, especially for a woman in the 1950s who was once caught up in the red scare. Few people's careers would have survived that.

[–]gotthelowdown 58 points59 points  (0 children)

Lucille Ball also gave the green light to the original Mission: Impossible TV series:

The Original 'Mission: Impossible' as a TV Crime Drama (2011)

I love Martin Landau's story about Lucille not understanding the show at first and his advice to her.

I don't blame her. It can be hard to imagine a finished show on a screen from words on a page.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

She didn't own just a Production Company, she owned the entire Studio (Deislu - which was basically the physical successor to RKO) from when Desi stood down until she eventually sold to Paramount).

[–]AnInsolentCog 75 points76 points  (1 child)

Desilu was a major defining force that set television standards that are still in place to this very day. Both Lucy and Desi played parts in that, but Lucy was who picked what shows to produce, many of which are classics that are still here in one way or another (Star Trek, Mission Impossible). She bought out her ex-husbands share in the company in 1960.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desilu_Productions

[–]lessmiserables 16 points17 points  (0 children)

They also (basically) invented reruns.

[–][deleted] 99 points100 points  (5 children)

Her production company greenlit it, if memory holds.

[–]AmazingMarv 65 points66 points  (2 children)

Yea, Desilu produced it.

[–]MulciberTenebras 37 points38 points  (1 child)

Which she took over after buying out her ex-husband Desi's stake in the company.

[–]DaddyCatALSO 15 points16 points  (0 children)

He was sick of being a producer by then anyway

[–]minnick27 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Twice. The original pilot was passed on and she allowed a second to be filmed

[–]ExZowieAgent 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Which is how we got Captain Kirk.

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (3 children)

She basically paid for them to reshoot a bad pilot.

[–]Destructor1701 39 points40 points  (2 children)

"Bad" is subjective. The Cage is pretty interesting in my opinion. It would have made a great episode of The Twilight Zone. "Rejected" is what it was.

[–]etothepi 9 points10 points  (0 children)

When I first watched TOS in my 20s, having previously seen almost zero Star Trek before, I was blown away by the depth of the pilot. I still think it's the strongest of the TOS episodes or movies, aside from Wrath of Khan.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Fair enough. An underwhelming pilot.

[–]Sewer-Urchin 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Star Trek was produced by her and Desi's company, Desilu Productions

[–]DaddyCatALSO 10 points11 points  (0 children)

And her earlier comedies weren't as the "Lucy character." One person who survived what I call the "trap" of letting one character define one's career (Andrew Clay, Paul Reubens, etc.)

[–]critic2029 3 points4 points  (0 children)

DesiLu was the original production company.

DesiLu was bought by Gulf+States Gulf+States was bought by Paramount.
Paramount was bought by Viacom Viacom Bought/Merged CBS Then CBS/Les Moonves consolidated all the TV IP, including Star Trek and spun back off. Les hated sci-fi and killed Enterprise and shut Star Trek production down. Paramount then licensed the IP from CBS to make the Kelvin Movies.
Then CBS realized they needed to do something with the IP and made Discovery. Finally Sherri Redstone orchestrated a remerger between Viacom and CBS finally brining Star Trek under one roof again.

[–]Wtf909189 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Desilu produced Star Trek. She was advised to dump Star Trek after the pilot was made because it was seen as something that wouldn't be popular. She worked with Gene Roddenbery aftereards to keep his vision but make it more acceptable as well as (I believe) funding the show.

Lucy was a trailblazer. She insisted on Desi being her TV husband on I Love Lucy when being told that thw show wouldn't fly because it was about an interracial couple (something ij nheard of on TV at the time). She insisted that when writing that the only character that could make fun of Ricky on screen was Lucy and that the jokes not be cheap shots (as you can see that when she makes fun of him it tends to be playful and loving). Lucy and Desi took a paycut in order for I Love Lucy to be produced and they retained the rights to I Love Lucy in exchange for the paycut. They created a process so that they could film and have a live audience while filming the show and be able to tape the shows and distribute the show and in essence created syndication for tv shows as well as being able to film their show with a live audience. Lucy took ownership of Desilu and headed it (first woman to do this) and essentially protected Star Trek so it would be on TV.

[–]AmazingMarv 102 points103 points  (29 children)

I hope they focus on her and Desi as producers and TV pioneers.

[–]jmaca90 44 points45 points  (13 children)

I hope they focus on their relationship, period.

It’s a fascinating relationship, and it was a huge risk back then for CBS to depict an interracial marriage on tv, let alone for the real Lucy/Desi to endure during that time.

They seemed to have endured a lot together, and, despite their divorce, they enjoyed a love and respect for one another.

I wonder who will be cast as Desi Arnaz!

[–]pagit 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I remember watching a documentary about Lucile Ball and Desi Arnaz.

Desi Arnaz Jr. and Lucie Arnaz was saying on TV their mom was the funny one, but in real life dad was the funny one and mom was serious.

Also it was mentioned that when one of the children were born (Desi jr i believe) J.Edgar Hoover knew the child was born before Desi Arnaz was informed.

[–]MrBoliNica 20 points21 points  (4 children)

Oscar Isaac. He would be the perfect Desi (and, he's actually Cuban lol)

[–]laquayleee 5 points6 points  (5 children)

For some reason I feel like they will use John leguizamo. He's be good as desi though, I think. They somewhat favor.

[–]Starboy11 58 points59 points  (10 children)

She’s the reason we have reruns!

[–]minnick27 39 points40 points  (7 children)

I believe that was Desis idea to film them rather than going out live

[–]DaddyCatALSO 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Yes; read Desi's memoirs A Book, by Desi Arnaz for good run-down on how he dealt with the zoning board and fire marshal to a llow an audience in the studio, got the legendary Karl Freund to do the cinematography for scale just for the challenge of it.

[–]Mortico 52 points53 points  (2 children)

If I recall correctly, they wanted to film in New York and the studio wanted them to move to LA. Typically, everything was broadcast (not necessarily live) from LA to the east coast. The transmission lines were awful so while people in california had a great picture, people in New York had to suffer.

So they refused to move to LA but they knew audiences in California were used to a better picture. So they came up with the plan to record the show and mail the film across the country and play it simultaneously. So Lucy and Desi could live on the east coast and California could have a good quality picture.

The fact that the east coast finally got to see what they were missing out on (picture quality) got every studio to rethink how they did broadcasting.

[–]Starboy11 40 points41 points  (1 child)

From what I remember, it was the other way around. They were LA-based, but studios were on the east coast.

[–]minnick27 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Correct

[–]Starboy11 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Not only film them but specifically, they bought the rights to the episodes to re-air them, something thought ridiculous at the time.

It's also their fault the industry moved from NY to LA.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (3 children)

Scott what the fuck are you doing outside r/MMA

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (2 children)

I get an hour per day out of it. Don’t ruin it for me!!

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Alright, alright! Have your fun

[–]chambergambit 263 points264 points  (16 children)

Watching Cate Blanchett, ethereal immortal Cate Blanchett, act goofy as fuck and go WAAAAAAAAH is going to be so weird I'm excited.

[–]InItsTeeth 87 points88 points  (13 children)

She is an incredible actor and will do amazing... however I was really pulling for Emma Stone as I think she has the look and has great comedic timing as well as emotional depth.

[–]stabbytastical 28 points29 points  (1 child)

I can see them both being amazing. I am see Emma nailing the comedic aspects, while anything with more glamour I think would benefit from Cate.

Please understand that I am a huge fan of both women and think we'll get an awesome thing regardless. And I'm in no way trying to suggest that Emma isn't glamorous or Cate can't be funny.

[–]InItsTeeth 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Yeah it’s sort of a win/win I just have such a soft spot for Stone. I’d almost wish it was split with Stone doing the 16-25 and Cate doing the 30+

[–]GunNutYeeHaw 434 points435 points  (27 children)

Do you poop out at parties? Are you unpoopular? Well, are you? The answer to all your problems is in this little ol' bottle, Vitameatavegamin.

[–]nessao616 147 points148 points  (1 child)

One of my favorite episodes ever. I remember 10 year old me laughing so hard I couldn't breath. I just adored her growing up.

[–]Strix924 30 points31 points  (0 children)

My favorite is The Kleptomaniac. It was also the first I Love Lucy episode I ever saw and the first ‘adult’ television show I was allowed to watch as a kid (sheltered childhood)

[–]ANDRO55 39 points40 points  (0 children)

just like candy!

[–]herpty_derpty 68 points69 points  (6 children)

Anybody remember when some kid requested this episode on Stick Stickley's show? He was like "well, we don't really air Nick at Nite right now, but it's a classic, so...here it is!" It blew my mind to see I Love Lucy with the Nickelodeon logo in the corner, even though they were technically the same channel.

[–]rebelolemiss 16 points17 points  (4 children)

I remember the song form memory:

Write to me, Stick Stickly, PO Box 963, New York City, New York State, 10108!

[–]myhairsreddit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I can't tell you how many letters I wrote that Stick that I never got to send because my Mom wouldn't give me a stamp.

[–]GARDIN1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Stick Stickly? Now that is a name I haven't heard in a long time.

[–]eddmario 35 points36 points  (0 children)

They better recreate this and the chocolate scene or else the movie is gonna bomb...

[–]jimmothytheunicorn 31 points32 points  (1 child)

It’s so tasty too! Just like candy

[–]aliveandwellthanks 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Me and my wife still walk around the house and say Well are you? In a drunk voice to various situations. I absolutely adore Lucille ball.

[–]Fugees-and-Funyuns 10 points11 points  (0 children)

*pop out at parties (the comedy in this line comes from switching “poop” and “pop”)

[–]jimmothytheunicorn 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It’s so tasty too!

[–]jimmothytheunicorn 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It’s so tasty too!

[–]ColonelSandurz42 5 points6 points  (0 children)

All the happy, peppy people!

[–][deleted] 1225 points1226 points  (226 children)

Damn. A Lucille Ball biopic by Sorkin is not something I knew I wanted.

And I’m doubly curious because writing multi-faceted female characters has long been a recognized weakness of Sorkin’s.

Not that he’s a bad writer or that he has no interesting female characters in his TV shows or movies, but they’re just not his strength.

[–][deleted] 418 points419 points  (90 children)

Molly’s Game was pretty great. I’ve got a lot more confidence in him after that.

[–]BrainLord 124 points125 points  (15 children)

I loved “Steve Jobs” too! Which, I believe he wrote the screenplay for. Honestly, I’m excited about this one.

Edit: Mistakenly wrote “Jobs” instead of “Steve Jobs”.

[–]_that_random_guy_ 63 points64 points  (10 children)

The movie was called Steve Jobs. Important distinction!

[–]BrainLord 21 points22 points  (9 children)

Agh, you’re right! Jobs was the Aston Kutcher one (that wasn’t very good imo).

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (8 children)

I actually prefer the Kutcher one. It felt like Ashton actually researched and cared about an actual portrayal. The pacing of the story killed the movie. But I enjoyed it.

[–]deathpony43 23 points24 points  (5 children)

I don't prefer it, but I definitely think it gets an undue about of hate. Steve Jobs was just a really good movie with an awesome Sorkin script. Jobs, while imperfect, felt like a real biopic, which is what I wanted and it's what I got. I don't understand the Kutcher hate at all, and I was pretty surprised at his Razzie nom. I thought he did a great job; he felt like Jobs to me.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (3 children)

This is the perfect explanation.

Also Josh Gad doesn’t get any recognition for playing a good if not the better woz. I felt like I knew him.

[–]MightyCaseyStruckOut 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, and he was so dedicated to the perfection of the role that he took on Jobs' diet and got sick iirc

[–]Mushroomer 51 points52 points  (5 children)

Molly's Game is pretty good, but it's also notable that Sorkin gives the two big, punchy, emotional monologues of that film to Elba & Costner.

[–]HowDoIEditMyUsername 37 points38 points  (0 children)

But in fairness, Molly is narrating the entire movie and has some epic rants/monologues throughout. Namely, the first few minutes.

[–]MichelangeBro 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that Costner monologue was ROUGH. I loved pretty much everything else though.

[–]KyloWrench 100 points101 points  (12 children)

I am a die hard Sorkin fan and I felt embarrassed watching Molly's Game. Every criticism he has ever received about writing women was on full display. Not only was the entire plot driven by the actions of men, he decided to make Molly's life long motivation revolve around essentially having daddy issues and hating men. Well at least she came to that realization herself right, through the journey of the story and her complete character arc? Nope, her dad pops up out of nowhere (literally just appears) at the end of the movie and explains to her simple woman brain why she does what she does.

So cringy

[–]HowDoIEditMyUsername 36 points37 points  (0 children)

But it also portrays her as the strongest character in the movie. She is honest, transparent, protective, and self-aware. And even in the scene where her dad pops out of nowhere to “explain to her simple woman brain why she does what she does,” I took that scene more as a knock on psychologists than anything else (the dad belittled the profession a few times during that scene; namely when he says something like “is this how fast psychology would work if we didn’t charge by the hour?”).

Also, you have to realize how the book lays out Molly’s thought process and the impact various things in her life had on her (namely men). I thought Sorkin did a good job highlighting how she was driven to prove she can’t be controlled by them and how her actions were done despite men. Also, the book was far far far nicer on the dad than the movie was.

I felt the movie basically made every guy look like a egomaniacal creep (outside of maybe her lawyer, who was still a tough dad). Meanwhile, nearly every female character - even the playmates - came across as smart, educated, and independent.

[–]theodo 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Molly's Game was made in direct collaboration with Molly Bloom, so I see zero issue with what you are describing. Your opinion here seems more negative towards women than the film itself. Having a character explain something to Molly that she could not realize herself in no way makes her portrayed as a "dumb woman". Matter of fact, she's constantly portrayed as the smartest character in the film, with the antagonists all being men. She is just not emotionally intelligent, which her father is due to being a psychologist (I believe, been awhile)

[–]BrainLord 32 points33 points  (1 child)

I feel like I’m such a terrible movie viewer because, I literally never picked up on that. Now that you mention it though, it seems so glaringly obvious (and definitely cringy).

[–]TrollinTrolls 4 points5 points  (0 children)

/u/howdoieditmyusername pretty much laid your comment to rest. But, even without any of that, I don't see how any of what you said is "embarrassing". Why can't female leads have issues that involve their father or other men? Don't other Sorkin projects have men that have issues with their father or other men? Pretty sure the answer is yes. So why can't a woman?

Pretty clearly she was the strongest, most willful person in that movie. IDK why you have to contort and omit everything to try to make your point.

[–]criminalswine 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Lots of male Sorkin leads have daddy issues though. Bartlett, Josh Lyman, Steve Jobs all have fundamentally similar similar drives as Molly.

Sorkin thinks good people bend the world around them into their image, sacrificing their personal life to become leaders and moral arbiters of whatever domain they choose. Molly does those things. Having daddy issues and hating men isn't a flaw in his eyes, those things are how people become so great.

[–]GucciJesus 15 points16 points  (2 children)

I too want the Lucille Ball biopic to feature Lucille Ball talking like Sorkin for no reason at all.

[–]matito29 7 points8 points  (0 children)

While walking briskly down a hallway

[–]nrith 58 points59 points  (14 children)

CJ, Dolores, and the First Lady in The West Wing weren’t multi-faceted?

[–][deleted] 65 points66 points  (6 children)

CJ certainly was. The First Lady became moreso after Sorkin left, I believe.

But I specifically made it a point not to say that Sorkin had zero good female characters. Here’s what I said:

Not that he’s a bad writer or that he has no interesting female characters in his TV shows or movies, but they’re just not his strength.

For every CJ, there’s a Mandy or a Donna (who also got much more interesting after Sorkin left).

Again, he’s a great writer, but it’s been a weakness of his.

[–]PhinsFan17 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Donna got more interesting when they gave her something to do besides fawn over Josh. I mean, she still fawned over Josh and they kept up the "will they/won't they", but they also broadened her character.

[–]Irishfury86 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Donna was a stand in for the audience, where Josh could explain some political concept (Mexican debt, tax rebates, judicial nominees, etc.) She certainly developed over time, but that was her initial narrative role.

[–]FlameFeather86 27 points28 points  (2 children)

CJ, Ainsley, Abby all stand out on West Wing during Sorkin's time, and on Studio 60 Amanda Peet's Jordan McDeere pretty much stole the show - and standing toe to toe with Matt Perry and Brad Whitford on absolute top of their game is admirable. Harriet Hayes is another stand out and gave us one of Sarah Paulson's best performances.

Newsroom was dominated by Jeff Daniels of course but Emily Mortimer's McKenzie McHale was no slouch, hell the show wouldn't have worked without her. I wouldn't say female characters are a weakness of Sorkin's, I'd say the ratio isn't exactly balanced and the men are often the focal point, but the women are there in every production (maybe not so much Social Network) and they more than hold their own. Hell, they're often key to the whole thing working.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

And he’s definitely gotten better.

I think people are reading my initial comment as saying, “Aaron Sorkin cannot write female characters and never wrote a good one.”

But that’s definitely not what I’m saying.

[–]evil_consumer 142 points143 points  (77 children)

He’s not a bad writer, but I get the sense from his material that he’s a relic of a bygone time. He has written so many of these crotchety and tortured (and male) geniuses, like Will McAvoy in The Newsroom, or Toby Ziegler from The West Wing, or Zuckerberg in The Social Network (the list goes on). If you want to view any of his fatherly “authority figure” characters as a representation or offshoot of Sorkin’s persona (which I do), or even if you don’t agree with that specific analysis, one thing is undeniable: he frequently depicts these male protagonists talking down to almost all of the people around them (he has so many of those “telling it like it is” moments) and this often includes the younger female characters. This is all over The Newsroom and I’m still alarmed 8 years later that he found McAvoy’s casual misogyny and racism charming and/or comedic. And the fact that he makes these men his heroes is very telling, because even though he crafts these stories with characters with solid convictions and values who mostly do the right things, on a social level, his feminism is definitely stuck in the 90’s. Like, maybe don’t create characters as a means to grind your own personal axes. (Or maybe that’s all writing is?)

Also, the Sorkinisms Supercut video on YouTube, while in dire need of an update, changed my perspective on him a bit:

https://youtu.be/S78RzZr3IwI

[–]BambooSound 60 points61 points  (22 children)

I'll defend The Social Network in that it's kind of a subversion of Sorkin's earlier characters in that he's the antagonist. That arrogant smarter than thou attitude is shown to be the deflecting manchildness it really is, and it illustrates how damaging that can be.

With regard to McAvoy, I don't think that part of him is meant to be charming or comedic but problematic. Having worked in newsrooms, I'd say that's an accurate depiction of anchors in that demographic.

The Newsroom is a cartoon moon though.

[–]OobaDooba72 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I would say Zuck is more of a villain protagonist than the antagonist of The Social Network, but I guess that's a bit of a nitpick. It's kind of an ensemble of people that all end up against each other.

(Minor spoilers for anyone who hasn't seen it, which I recommend everyone do.)
It's one of my favorite films in part for that reason. It doesn't even show the worst of what real life Zuck has said or done, but it makes him an understandable asshole. On one hand audiences generally want to see your protagonist succeed, but you realize he can only do so at the expense of the professional and social connections that Facebook is supposedly meant to facilitate.

Rashida Jones's final line and the final scene of him trying to friend Albright just hammers home that he's alone, entirely due to his own choices. He has no one left.

[–]BambooSound 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Sure, I just meant that he's the bad guy.

I have mixed feelings about Rashida Jones' last line though. I think he is an asshole. Pretending that he only became one once facebook took off absolves him of the fact that he was a shitty person from the very beginning of the film. At no point does he do anything remotely nice for anyone that isn't him.

[–]alphabetikalmarmoset[🍰] 14 points15 points  (12 children)

Please tell us more about working in newsrooms! I bet you got some stories.

[–]BambooSound 23 points24 points  (11 children)

I wouldn't want to get into any specifics but it's quite a bit like the newsroom, not in the sense of wanky romance lines but definitely in terms of how into the story everyone gets, the debates that take place, and all the chaotic last minute stuff.

I'd actually love to make a documentary of how newsrooms actually work because I think it'd improve people's belief in journalism a bit.

Is there anything in particular you want to know?

[–]evil_consumer 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Okay, fair! I haven’t seen TSN in years, so I think I forgot that.

[–]BambooSound 17 points18 points  (3 children)

I heavily recommend you watch it again. I think you'll enjoy it more now that public opinion of Facebook is more in line with what the film was trying to say.

[–][deleted] 79 points80 points  (11 children)

Not sure The Social Network is a fair inclusion here given that Zuckerberg is really meant to be a dislikable guy in that movie who’s just kinda stuck on a crush and screws over everyone around him, deserving and non-deserving.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (2 children)

Gotta say, I love Toby Ziegler. And I think his character works so well because he doesn’t have all the power. He’s grumpy and self-righteous, but a lot of that comes from being a brilliant and passionate person who’s held back by his own personality and he knows it.

And I do like that Sorkin also makes it a point to have these self-righteous and arrogant characters totally shove their foot in their mouth sometimes. In The West Wing, at least, there are a few great moments like that, where characters are so sure that they’re right that they overstep and show their own blindness and ego.

There’s Leo, when he tries to lecture a black congressman about “how to be a leader of black men” and gets his ass handed back to him; Toby, when he writes a self-righteous speech condemning a White House guest and then has to try and ask a favor from said guest; and Josh, when he goes off on a gay Republican for pretty much being a traitor to gay people and the Republican guy puts Josh in his place for defining him as strictly a gay man and ignoring his positions on economics etc.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I just started my umpteenth rewatch and happened to just see those scenes. I agree with you. All of the characters are highly intelligent snobs in some sense or another, but they get knocked off their pedestals a lot throughout the shows.

[–]puckit 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Regarding that scene with Josh; didn't the exact same thing happen in The Newsroom when Will was interviewing a gay guy who worked for a homophobic politician? It's been years since I've seen The Newsroom so I might be wrong but that sounds awful familiar.

[–]godbottle 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Pretty much every character in The Newsroom actively calls out Will’s attitude to his face at some point in the series, so I’m not sure you can really call that one an endorsement of such behavior by Sorkin.

[–]ISieferVII 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But he's still admired by not only the other people he's with, but the audience. And I can say this as a fan of the Newsroom who's just gone through it with other fans. The way he's portrayed definitely makes you want to be him, or know him, even if other characters occasionally say he's a jerk or get frustrated by him - it's not like with Zuckerberg, it's with love. The thing is, Will is usually right, he's just critisized for being rude about it.

Which is fine, it's a common trope from Sherlock to House, so I'm not sure if this is anything specific to Sorkin.

[–]Phoequinox 18 points19 points  (5 children)

I was willing to excuse it until the "ping pong" bit. That is simply not something someone says with enough regularity to warrant it coming up in the dialogue of two different productions.

[–]RIPphonebattery 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'll concede that he definitely shares lines (ping pong room), but most of these are fairly common expressions (are we really saying "damn it" while slamming a nearby object is a sorkinism?).

[–]robbsc 23 points24 points  (8 children)

I know I'm reading you wrong, but if he talks down to everybody, including younger females, you can't consider that misogynistic right?

[–]Famous1107 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I feel like Lucille Ball would talk that fast. She was a tv powerhouse back in the day, wouldn't mind learning more about her story.

[–]AdVoke 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm hiped for Blanchetts contribution to this. She is nothing short of amazing. Haven't made a sup par performance in her career, as far as I've seen.

I wanna Hell spinoff, please.

[–]TeddysRevenge 23 points24 points  (17 children)

I’ve always kind of disagreed with that assessment.

Are a lot of his female characters one dimensional? Sure.

But look at characters like CJ Craig from the west wing. She is multifaceted and possibly the best written character on the show.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Lucy, walk with me, you have some 'splainin' to do."

[–]TooShiftyForYou 170 points171 points  (13 children)

The Hollywood Reporter asked Blanchett how she wants to portray Lucille Ball in the upcoming Amazon picture Lucy & Desi.

She instantly made the classic twisted face, eyes-crossed Lucille Ball impression before responding, “I’ve long been obsessed by Lucille Ball. Who hasn’t? I mean she’s not only as an actress, as a comedian, but as a producer, as a parent, as a force of nature within Hollywood.”

The couple's children, Lucie Arnaz and Desi Arnaz Jr. are producing the film.

[–]mattysmwift 70 points71 points  (11 children)

Uh I’m always iffy on family members being part of the movie. Hopefully Sorkin won’t hold back because of them and they’ll let him have freedom.

[–]whichwitch9 62 points63 points  (6 children)

At the same point, I do think it's important to have the family involved, and it can work out well.

A good success story would actually be Selena, where the family actually let JLo stay with them to prepare for the role and were involved in multiple stages of the film, despite having large reservations about a Puerto Rican actress playing an iconic Mexican American woman. It's one of the very few times where that sort of controversy was essentially ended because no one could think of a better casting after the film.

The family did not shy away from some of the less appealing parts they were involved in with the story, however, and that openness made a huge impact in the quality of the film.

[–]MorriePoppins 18 points19 points  (4 children)

Oh wow. I’ve never watched Selena, maybe I should. But there’s something very poignant about the family inviting the actress who was going to play their deceased daughter to live with them in their home as she studied her role. Very poignant.

[–]Bahunter22 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Anything for ~SELENAS~

[–]whichwitch9 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I believe the family and JLo still are in contact with each other, as well. I know they've spoken about the experience.

The movie is very well done, too. It's easy to see why Jennifer Lopez was cast. There's parts where they intercut her with old footage of Selena and it's incredibly hard to tell which is which.

Plus, for many Latino musicians and singers, Selena opened up a doorway for them into mainstream music, so she means a ton to artists like Jennifer Lopez who came after.

Edit: as a note, I was introduced to Lucille Ball and Selena both through my older sister, who was obsessed with both. Both women strike a cord as strong, independent women paving ways for future generations, so you may find Selena interesting if you do Lucille Ball.

[–]AnakinAmidala 8 points9 points  (0 children)

J Lo was incredible in it and it’s a great movie.

I also like how it doesn’t glorify her death, or even make it about her killer.

[–]pretty-in-pink 135 points136 points  (24 children)

This sounds interesting! I hope they acknowledge that a big reason she started I Love Lucy was to keep her huspand Desi Arnez from flirting with other women. And the behind the scenes tension with the actors who played Fred and Ethel Mertz

[–]isestrex 58 points59 points  (7 children)

In Lucille's own words, Desi was charming, brilliant, and she was madly in love with him; but he was his own worst enemy and let his lack of self control destroy his life, marriage and career.

It will be VERY interesting to see how they handle it and who they cast. The story should be a very sad one if told correctly.

[–]MrBoliNica 25 points26 points  (2 children)

Oscar Isaac would be perfect, and can go toe to toe with Blanchett (which you need for Desi)

[–]daimposter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oscar would be a good choice

[–]CptNonsense 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Just gotta find a Cuban somewhere

[–]GENERALR0SE 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Desi is supposed to be played by Oscar Isaacs last time I read up on this

[–]greed-man 6 points7 points  (0 children)

In the movie "The Mambo Kings" 1992, Desi Arnaz Jr. played his Dad to two struggling musicians. Good flick.

[–]uniquecannon 80 points81 points  (13 children)

Fred, not Frank. And yeah, the Fred and Ethel actors hated each other.

[–]SingTheDoomSong 52 points53 points  (11 children)

I was just listening to a podcast yesterday about this show. They mentioned that basically by the end of the show, all four members of the main cast hated each other for different reasons, with the only exceptions being Fred and Lucy didn't hate each other, and neither did Ethek and Ricky.

[–]LunaHikaru 10 points11 points  (8 children)

Which podcast?

[–]SingTheDoomSong 35 points36 points  (7 children)

Its called Gayest Episode Ever. In their newest episode they cover an episode of I Love Lucy which supposedly has the first gay joke aired on tv.

[–]Lepthesr 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Well, don't leave us hanging!

[–]SingTheDoomSong 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Sorry! It was in the episode in which Lucy thinks that Ricky is going to kill her after reading a mystery novel. During the episode he takes a call and rides down a list of dog's names, mostly female with one male name at the end. Lucy gets the paper and thinks it's a list of women he;s thinking of marrying after he kills her, only to get to the name Theodore with confusion.

It 's not the same in-your-face style of gay joke that you'd see in future sitcoms, but it was the first time that someone's possible sexual orientation was played for a laugh.

[–]AmethystTrinket 6 points7 points  (3 children)

I’ve been looking for new social/cultural podcasts so thanks this one looks good

[–]smaps 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Just happened to google for this - would you mind dropping the podcast name? Was it "Burst Your Bubble"?

[–]SingTheDoomSong 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It was "Gayest Episode Ever", they didn't really go into detail about the fights, it was more of a detail they mentioned while talking about the show as a whole.

[–]gogozombie2 30 points31 points  (7 children)

Nevermind all that!

Half Baked 2?

[–]CaitlinSarah87 16 points17 points  (3 children)

My thoughts exactly! I was scrolling through the comments like "WHY ISN'T ANYONE FREAKING OUT ABOUT THIS?!"

[–]heshwillbiteANYTHING 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Because Neal Brennan or Dave Chappelle have nothing to do with it.

[–]CaitlinSarah87 3 points4 points  (1 child)

awww :(

[–]Braceyose1f 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This has been a rollercoaster of emotion...

[–]lzimon 63 points64 points  (5 children)

I read Lucille Bluth and was confused/excited for a second.

[–]GutShotRunningGin 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I’d watch that.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I Love Loose Seal

Michael Bluth: Mom, you have some 'splainin to do.

Lucille Bluth: Don't talk like that Michael, you sound like the help.

Michael Bluth: The Vitameatavegamin stand has been shut down and you told Little George Michael to run the chocolate factory?

Buster Bluth: Mother, don't forget to tell brother that I am now stomping grapes down at the juice factory. I may only have one hand but with these feet, we now have unlimited juice.

Lucille Bluth: Yes Michael. Vitameatavegamin sales are down and the vodka doesn't pay for itself.

Michael Bluth: Gee, why is it that everything that is wonderful costs money?

Lucille Bluth: Just get your brother GOB to handle the Vitameatavegamin stand.

Michael Bluth: But he's always at the club doing his magic shows. Waaaah!

Lucille Bluth: I never cared for GOB.

[–]PopWhatMagnitude 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I was going to go see a Star War but you have my interest.

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (5 children)

Cate will do brilliantly, so I really hope the script is great! Looking forward to it

[–]suckadack 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Aaron Sorkin writes every character to speak in the way that they imagine themselves winning arguments later in the shower

[–]jlantz12 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Was really hoping this said Lucille Bluth.

[–]Whacksalot 15 points16 points  (4 children)

I always thought Amy Poehler would make a great Lucille Ball when I considered it a comedic role, but as a biopic Cate is a perfect choice for all the complexities.

[–]MorriePoppins 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Debra Messing. The resemblance is uncanny: https://youtu.be/nMYPc-j5JyQ

[–]IMIndyJones 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Holy crap! I had the volume down and thought they were maybe they cut to the original first for a comparison.

[–]jmoney7778 13 points14 points  (4 children)

Dude what isn’t Cate great in?! She’s truly one of the best working today

[–]SuperMegaCoolPerson 5 points6 points  (1 child)

As someone who absolutely cannot stand Katherine Hepburn, I will say Cate did an amazing job portraying her in The Aviator.

[–]jmoney7778 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t think she’s even given a bad performance!

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Desi is going to look wildly bad.

[–]ILoveLamp9 4 points5 points  (2 children)

As a lifelong Lucy fan, I’ve been waiting on this film for years since it was first revealed.

Lucy’s life story was mode for the movies. A lot of love, romance, drama, tragedy, etc. I think Cate Blanchett will do a great job, and she also has a similar appearance which will be a great selling point. Really looking forward to this.

[–]Tweed-n-Sizzle 3 points4 points  (3 children)

okay, I love Cate blanchett like love love love Cate blanchett, but really? They couldn't find anybody else to play Lucy?

[–]bringbackswg 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Had me up until Sorkin, dude loves sniffing his own farts too much. Can't stand his writing style.

[–]goldars_boner 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I just saw the “scary Lucy” statue in NY. Looks it up. Good stuff.

[–]coolaznkenny 6 points7 points  (4 children)

During Covid i've been rewatch west wing and I never knew how much i miss these walk and talk quick fires. Im really excited!

[–]_PyramidHead_ 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Be still, my gay heart.

[–]forgotmyusername2x 6 points7 points  (4 children)

I think all states should stop the tax credit. Subsidizing the movie industry is unnecessary and it should be a level playing ground in terms of attracting new productions.

[–]tewnewt 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think she should be great. She can do "flibbertigibbet" pretty good.

[–]podsixia 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I hope it acknowledges her support of Star Trek!

[–]Marc815 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Amy pohler should play lucille ball. She is perfect for the role.

[–]cabose7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Star Trek legend Lucille Ball

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Better cover how she is why we have Star Trek.

[–]listerine411 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They give tax credits in CA for Hollywood to make movies?

Is there any better example of corporate welfare?

[–]Fixner_Blount 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Written by Aaron Sorkin

I didn't know Lucille Ball could pull 14th century poetry out of her ass at a moment's notice and recite it flawlessly! This should be fascinating!