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[–]maskdmann 1883 points1884 points  (241 children)

Again?

[–]Teleport23s 1705 points1706 points  (220 children)

J&J has been sued more than 13,000 times

These lawsuits and call-outs are clearly not having much effect.

[–]Chii 668 points669 points  (154 children)

cost of doing business...

[–]gamung 947 points948 points  (152 children)

No one in their sane mind believed J&J would buy raw material containing asbestos and then using it without cleaning it first - turns out that's just what they did.

The lawsuits are going to be different now.

They gave people cancer to save some pennies.

[–]Evissi 404 points405 points  (136 children)

doesnt change the fact that it's a cost of doing business.

There are a myriad of exactly this type of thing happening in tons of events. Smoking. Concussions and the NFL. The companies/businesses routinely use exactly this method of concealing the risks of whatever it is by fucking with people who do safety tests with money, and then lieing to the public about it for financial gain.

The lawsuits may get some headway now, but it's not at all new behavior for businesses.

[–]Chii 330 points331 points  (95 children)

The real problem is how an incorporated entity can shirk off reponsibility/liabilty.

For financial liability, may be it makes sense. But for social liability (like this type here), the corporation should not be able to shield the owners. This would mean it's riskier to hold stock. But i think this is the only way to prevent a company from doing this sort of risk/reward analysis and undertake this sort of action for profit.

[–][deleted] 193 points194 points  (39 children)

Not entirely, if it can be proven that the executives knowingly put people at risk they can be held liable.

The issue is the absurd evidence requirement. People get life in prison with less evidence.

[–]moleware 112 points113 points  (19 children)

People also get off Scott free with more evidence... I really have little faith in our human systems anymore.

[–]guttsX 52 points53 points  (5 children)

And even convicted with no evidence

[–]processedmeat 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Eye witness testimony is all the evidence I need to put someone away for life. I don't care that it was 2am had been drinking all day and weren't wearing their glasses.

[–]chiliedogg 25 points26 points  (8 children)

In fact, if anyone is proven to have died as a result they can be charged with homicide under the Depraved-Heart Homicide rule. A company executive knowingly hosting the fact that its product is poisonous in order to make more money is literally the most-common example used to illustrate an example of a Depraved Heart murder.

[–]SycoJack 35 points36 points  (2 children)

Meanwhile Blue Bell Creameries got an $850,000 fine that they only had to pay $175,000 of for killing 3 people with food they knew for at least two years was tainted.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

They probably wrote it off on taxes too

[–]HTX-713 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is the worst. I refuse to eat Blue Bell now. It really sucks that a lot of local restaurants use them for their ice cream. HEB is so much better.

[–]vagueblur901 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Tell that to big tobacco

[–]Jonne 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Any examples of people actually getting convicted for this?

[–]EtherCJ 1 point2 points  (2 children)

There's no way anyone could successfully brought to homicide charges. It may be statistically likely that some people died early because of asbestos in talc, it would be impossible to prove a specific person's cancer was caused by talc or asbestos to the level a murder charge requires.

[–]chiliedogg 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That's absolutely true. Best we can hope for is reckless endangerment and fraud, and I don't see those sticking to individuals either.

[–]Monkey_Majik 11 points12 points  (2 children)

The executives can be held liable but in general they're not the largest beneficiaries of profit at the end of the day. Leads to a culture of "do unethical things to bring the shareholders profit and get a big compensation package for potentially being the fall guy."

[–]SuccumbedToReddit 9 points10 points  (2 children)

It's their job to know. If they didn't than they're negligent.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Only if shareholders have a complaint. The standard for fiduciary duties to shareholders is far stricter than their duty to the law or public good.

[–]SuccumbedToReddit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They decide company policy. If they actually didn't know such an instrumental piece of operations than they had their head up their ass.

[–]StandardIssuWhiteGuy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but not rich people. Rich people don't even go to prison for molesting their own underaged children.

Seriously, look up the fucking Dupont heir.

[–]Dugen 59 points60 points  (16 children)

No. The real problem is that we assume companies should be in charge of stopping themselves from doing harm. We have bought into the idea that government is the problem. It's not. Government is the solution. We need to build the wall between money and politics and make sure the government does it's job of testing products and keeping the things we buy safe.

[–][deleted] 56 points57 points  (8 children)

The real problem is how an incorporated entity can shirk off reponsibility/liabilty.

They have:

  1. power
  2. money
  3. enormous political influence
  4. probably run by Satan (no citation available, yet)

Here is what you have:

  1. call outs
  2. outrage culture
  3. taco dip
  4. I guess that bout sums it up

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (2 children)

They have the money AND the powder.

[–]krm69ss 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I see what you did there.

[–]redbordeau 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Yes it’s not acceptable that a corporation is considered a person for tax and political contributions but not financially or morally liable for their externalities. It’s a double standard real people can’t get away with unless they are obscenely rich.

[–]TheBronzeBull 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, This, a thousand times this!

All of the benefits without the accountability!

[–]Zebidee 11 points12 points  (11 children)

But for social liability (like this type here), the corporation should not be able to shield the owners.

Start penalising stockholders directly as owners of the business, and see how fast the focus changes.

[–]memeasaurus 27 points28 points  (3 children)

Since this is pretty much universal corporate behavior, and it causes health problems, how about we tax the rich corporations and set up universal health care with the money.

It's just the cost of doing business after all.

[–]ajpos 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This would mean it's riskier to hold stock

J&J is one of the most widely-held stocks in the country. Maybe the fund managers have some responsibility to complain to management, but I am against punishing teachers making $35k just because they don't look at the specific stocks in their 403bs (and most retirement plans don't offer that option anyway.)

[–]TheThoughtPoPo 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Yeah let's go after ETF SPDR owners after any company in the S&P does something shady!

[–]Yurithewomble 2 points3 points  (2 children)

So these companies can never be punished because normal people decided to become financially invested in them?

Is your idea that no company that is owned by index funds should ever be able to lose value, regardless of what they do? Is this your utopia?

[–]ASVPcurtis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If shareholders can lose then they would push for a more ethical business culture to protect themselves.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (7 children)

The ones that really get you are car manufacturers deciding if the cost of a recall is more expensive than paying out to people who die in faulty car accidents.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (4 children)

We’ve all seen Fight Club.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The ending of fight club though, pretty awesome. Those companies got what they deserved.

[–]iThinkTherefore_iSam 6 points7 points  (0 children)

And yet here you are talking about it. Smh

[–]AnnaKossua 7 points8 points  (1 child)

That about the Ford Pinto -- it's one of those facts I keep in my head, just because it's so horrible. $11. Eleven dollars! Hell, just raise the price by $25, fix the car and profit even more!

[–]mortalcoil1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ford knew the Pinto was a firetrap, yet it paid out millions to settle damage suits out of court, and spent millions more lobbying against safety standards....Ford waited eight years because its internal "cost-benefit analysis," which places a dollar value on human life, said it wasn't profitable to make the changes sooner.

[–]su5 4 points5 points  (2 children)

And it sucks for the companies who do things the right way, but have trouble competing when companies making short cuts can keep operating like that. But take my rant with a grain of salt because I work for a direct competitor of theirs and we are doing ok.

[–]BoneHugsHominy 23 points24 points  (13 children)

The only way to put an end to this stuff is execute everyone involved in the decision and cover-up. Decide your company can save some cash by dumping toxic chemicals into your community's water supply? Execution. The son that helped you? Execution. When the cost of business is no longer just a fine, but your life, the conduct of business changes.

[–]Gonzobot 12 points13 points  (0 children)

"But you can't execute a company," the old man smiled from behind his desk. "There's nothing to kill."

Poor guy. He thought he had it all figured out. Too bad the company will die quickest with a dead man filling the desk.

[–]sambull 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Time to have a corporate death penalty

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Do people not understand that mega companies literally have litigation accounts for ineviditable lawsuits?

[–]Astrolaut 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The problem is that asbestos and gypsum form under the same conditions. It's really hard to separate one minute particle from another that's similar in size and chemical make-up.

On a related note: wear your dust masks when you're working with drywall, people! And yes, that includes sweeping up. Sorry for the rant, I see far too many people not watching out for themselves at construction sites.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Sounds like almost every corporation. I hope they actually have to pay, did Boeing? Not sure but seems like they’re still doing just as fine after blatantly murdering hundreds.

[–]Origami_psycho 4 points5 points  (0 children)

These cases take time, years, often

[–]1000Airplanes 8 points9 points  (0 children)

No one in their sane mind believed J&J would buy raw material containing asbestos and then using it

What? It's exactly what sane people expect of a corporation.

[–]higginsnburke 6 points7 points  (1 child)

They gave BABIES cancer to save pennies. Fuck them all the way to hell.

[–]wearer_of_boxers 34 points35 points  (40 children)

a small slap on the wrist is not gonna do much.

give them a fine that will wake them up and make them listen.

5 or 10 billion dollars, or 1 billion with another billion tacked on for every violation.

[–][deleted] 75 points76 points  (33 children)

$5 billion is quite literally nothing to J&J - their annual revenue is a little over $85 billion, and they would be delighted to get such a laughably low fine. Facebook (which is smaller than J&J) was recently fined $5 billion in Europe for the Cambridge Analytica snafu, and that was considered such a slap on the wrist that their stock price literally went up after the announcement. J&J needs to be threatened with being dissolved as a corporate entity before they'll actually care.

[–]Maxfunky 30 points31 points  (28 children)

That was an FTC fine (US not Europe). And it was the largest in history by a ridiculously high margin. It's the profit from an entire quarter. If the stock went up it's because the it had already priced in an even worse scenario.

[–]Multi_Grain_Cheerios 30 points31 points  (2 children)

Just because it was the largest fine levied doesn't mean it wasn't a slap on the wrist.

The stock went up after which means yeah, a worse scenario was priced in. That just means even investors expected a fine to have more weight. It's laughable as it's not big enough to curb their behavior. FB has a lot of cash in the bank and made a lot of money by being irresponsible with user data.

Also, executives should get jail time when they knowingly approve things that are illegal. Not that I'm usually a "tough on crime" person but the impact of things like this are far reaching and we should do more to punish white collar crime of this scale. An executive made this decision knowing it was illegal.

[–]kevlarcardhouse 9 points10 points  (1 child)

What really needs to happen is these executives need prison terms. If any individual willingly sold or gave away a product that they knew was harmful, they would go to jail. And yet when a boardroom of people make the same decision, it's a fine.

[–]MrGuttFeeling 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Throw their upper management in jail to really make a difference.

[–]anti_zero 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah if they the corporate entity is allowed to lobby as a person, they need to be held criminally liable like an individual with something equitable to prison.

[–]lostharbor 1 point2 points  (2 children)

$10B won’t do shit to a company worth $400B. Look at FB, slapped with a $5B fine and they’re worth about the same.

[–]1000Airplanes 28 points29 points  (11 children)

Fortunately for J&J, our POTUS is making it easier for them to get these lawsuits dismissed.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-signs-executive-order-remove-job-killing-regulations/story?id=45711543

[–]MentalGood 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Capitalism is a good system that works!

[–][deleted] 824 points825 points  (17 children)

Golly. I wonder how much of a fine they won't pay this time.

[–]DrZaious 294 points295 points  (14 children)

The equivalent of fining someone like you or me 25 cents.

[–]Chii 152 points153 points  (10 children)

steal one dollar, fined 25c... pretty good deal if you ask me!

[–]AdClemson 123 points124 points  (8 children)

more like steal a dollar and get fined 0.5 cent and then reduce manpower to recover even that 0.5 cent. If your employees gets upset for losing their jobs then tell them they should blame the government for regulations/litigation.

[–]Zebidee 12 points13 points  (0 children)

If your employees gets upset for losing their jobs then tell them they should blame the government for regulations/litigation.

Alternatively, do what the Commonwealth Bank did in Australia recently - get penalised during a government investigation, and deduct a special levy from people's superannuation funds in Colonial First State to cover it.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Apparently these huge fines can be a tax write off as well

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

And after admitting liabilitity and settling with the politicians nothing.

[–]JeffMcBiscuit 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Well look at ol' Mr Moneybags here, flashing his 25¢ around the place.

[–][deleted] 427 points428 points  (184 children)

Forbes' source for the article was businessinsider.com

The U.S. Justice Department is pursuing a criminal investigation into whether Johnson & Johnson lied to the public about the possible cancer risks of its talcum powder, people with knowledge of the matter said. The criminal probe, which hasn’t been reported previously, coincides with a regulatory investigation and civil claims by thousands of cancer patients that J&J’s Baby Powder talc was responsible for their illness. Now, a grand jury in Washington is examining documents related to what company officials knew about any carcinogens in their products, the people said.

The highly respected site scientificamerican.com seems to think that the claim of the link between ovarian cancer and the use of talcum powder is weak but "scientifically plausible"

[–]socks 197 points198 points  (6 children)

And Scientific American is a much better source than this ridiculously short Forbes note. Others in this thread think this is not news, but here is a better summary of the latest developments: https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-johnson-baby-powder-talc-cancer-20190521-story.html

[–]jorjbrinaj 6 points7 points  (4 children)

So this is just baby powder with talc? I use the corn starch baby powder every day, that's considered safe?

[–]CornucopiaOfDystopia 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Yes. The concern is that talc is sometimes contaminated with asbestos where it is mined from - the minerals are very similar and coexist in nature often.

[–]xenogazer 16 points17 points  (1 child)

For now, yes... Until Big Cornstarch slips up and the super-cancer causing properties of cornstarch are revealed ten years from now

[–]universal_rehearsal 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You should be, IIRC the Talc has/had traces of asbestos.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

It's a Reuters article that doesn't cite anything. Not Scientific American.

[–]zouhair 22 points23 points  (3 children)

I fucking despise these big corporations, but letting jurors decide on the science is not the way to go about fixing shit.

[–]pl233 4 points5 points  (1 child)

That's how it played out in the Roundup lawsuits too

[–]the_benighted_states 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We let juries decide on the science in criminal cases, and it's turned out, with the advent of DNA analysis, that most conventional forensic science techniques are incorrect and bad science yet have been used by prosecutors to falsely convict thousands.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-humes-forensic-evidence-20190113-story.html

Welcome to the real world of forensics, where the wizardry lionized by the “CSI” television empire turns out to have serious flaws. The science of bite-mark comparisons, ballistic comparisons, fingerprint matching, blood-spatter analysis, arson investigation and other common forensic techniques has been tainted by systematic error, cognitive bias (sometimes called “tunnel vision”) and little or no research or data to support it. There is, in short, very little science behind some of the forensic “sciences” used in court to imprison and sometimes execute people.

Forensic science’s shortcomings have left the justice system alternately in a quiet panic or massive denial. The issue was first brought into the spotlight by a highly critical report from the National Academy of Sciences in 2009, which found a dearth of scientific backing for most forensics methods other than DNA. It cited evidence that “faulty forensic science analyses may have contributed to wrongful convictions of innocent people.” That report was followed by an even more blistering presidential commission report in 2016, which found serious errors and junk science in a host of commonly used forensic methods tying suspects to crimes.

It's interesting how quiet this is being kept in the media and how few people are aware of it.

[–]mrembekk 102 points103 points  (60 children)

Having studied cancer the past 4 years of my life, scientifically plausible has the weight of asking someone if it's going to rain, and them looking at the sky and replying "eh."

The fact that cancer/malignant tumours have a multistage development that is sensitive, elusive, adaptable yet trigger happy can mean that many of our environmental, psychological and emotional exposures can contribute to it. The very fact that there is a growing incidence of lung cancer among non smokers should allude to the fact that the causes of cancer are not as obvious as we think.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (3 children)

"Dr. Daniel Cramer, a Harvard University epidemiologist, first reported on a potential link between talc and ovarian cancer in 1982. He has published several studies since, and his work suggests that talc exposure increases the risk of ovarian cancer, a rare disease, by 30 percent overall."

"To prove conclusively that talc causes ovarian cancer would require a randomized clinical trial - the gold standard of scientific proof. But that is not possible because of ethical concerns, Cramer said."

[–]mrembekk 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Thank you for sourcing! A simpler read would be https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/talcum-powder-and-cancer.html

Basically, it's not certain. But there's a chance.

[–]fulloftrivia 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Cramer sells himself as an expert witness for plaintiffs.

That sort of thing is fantastically lucrative.

[–]OgdruJahad 11 points12 points  (8 children)

LOL I'm pretty sure I read/heard something about RF signals being 'possibly carcinogenic', I guess I should stop living then.

[–]mrembekk 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Hahaha exactly my point! If people were shooting at whatever source of carcinogens even the sun would be sued.

Th truth of the matter is that cancer is an immune disease where the immune system was not able to detect and kill mutant cells. This allows the cells to carry on mutating resulting in cancer. In my personal opinion, a balanced life, with exercise, rest, diet, stress and relaxation is by far the best defence against diseases. So don't stop living yoo

[–]holysirsalad 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Food, too.

[–]OgdruJahad 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Including bacon!

I can't live without you baby

[–]SpiderOnTheInterwebs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To be fair, there is a link between eating food and getting cancer. Because if you don't eat food, you definitely won't get cancer.

[–]veringer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

At least with asbestos, the time-delay between exposure and onset (if ever) can be very long. Even if the cancer is detected, it's not guaranteed that cause and effect are matched up. If there's any amount of asbestos in talcum powder, then it's a ticking time bomb for people who've used it regularly. I know that I'm cringing with memories of my hair dresser mother who used talc every day on her customers.

[–]gousey 101 points102 points  (106 children)

Plausible isn't much to go on.

Talc geologically is often found associated with asbestos deposits, so sourcing talcum powder is highly problematic. Even constant testing and monitoring isn't perfect

Applications of talc to the skin are not really a hazard. Inhaling or ingesting talc is not well understood, and may never be.

How this all relates to ovarian cancer is a stretch.

Meanwhile, J&J replaced talc with corn starch.

Lawyers just see deep pockets. Harrass until they are bought off.

[–]Call_me_Kelly 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Some of the older generation of women would apply powder all over after a bath/shower. It even comes in saucer sized round cartons with a huge powder puff so you could get it all over quickly. I think it was considered just a normal part of a self care/beauty routine. Probably has to do with odor and sweat.

[–]CretaMaltaKano 7 points8 points  (0 children)

My grandmother did this, and she used to give me fancy talcum powders as gifts. It does feel and smell nice on your skin after a bath.

[–]gousey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, I used to gift an aunt Channel #5 bath powder. But nobody is suing Channel.

[–]dbratell 55 points56 points  (45 children)

How this all relates to ovarian cancer is a stretch.

People were using talc in the nether regions.

[–]critic2029 22 points23 points  (2 children)

If I recall the initial case was a 60 year old woman who’d been putting powder on her hoo ha daily for 45 years.

[–]BeautifulType 8 points9 points  (1 child)

She won her case and got a shit ton though

[–]Andrew5329 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That doesn't mean they were at all related, it just means they convinced a jury to say "fuck corporations" on principle and gave an old woman money.

[–]AlwaysHopelesslyLost 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Is there any concrete evidence that there is a correlation?

Why would it increase risk of ovarian cancer but not vulvar cancer, vaginal cancer, cervical cancer, or uterine cancer first?

[–]Andrew5329 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Talc geologically is often found associated with asbestos deposits, so sourcing talcum powder is highly problematic. Even constant testing and monitoring isn't perfect

IIRC this is the crux of the argument. The testing J&J was using at the time was scientifically validated and the best available, but it wasn't infinitely sensitive, any test has a "limit of detection" associated with it.

J&J was saying that their talc supply was asbestos free. Most reasonable people, including regulators at the time, accepted negative results from that reasonably sensitive test as effectively "asbestos free".

Turns out that with modern equipment and much more sensitive tests there were trace amounts present in some of the talc supplies.

Are they a health hazard in such trace quantities? Very unlikely, but the FDA sets a Zero limit for asbestos.

The gap that puts J&J in jeapordy is the difference between effectively zero and actual zero. Specifically the timing between when tech improved to detect even smaller amounts of asbestos, when J&J became aware that their "asbestos free" talc had some trace amounts, and when they responded by upgrading their screening to the newer standard.

[–]Stumplestiltzkin 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It's ok guys, the market will take care of this and they'll go out of business! No need to worry!

[–][deleted] 95 points96 points  (23 children)

and for no tears shampoo that causes tears.

[–][deleted] 91 points92 points  (17 children)

It depends on if you're pronouncing it tears or tears because it's supposed to be pronounced tears because it doesn't stop tears, it stops tears.

[–]the_real_junkrat 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Potato potato amirite

[–]blue20whale 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Is this for real because we have it sold in the middle east and it has "لا دموع بعد اليوم" meaning no tears as actual eye tears. In Arabic tears and tears are different.

[–]NoifenF 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The ads growing up specifically said no tears as in crying. Lying bastards.

That family guy bit is very appropriate.

[–]Samue1son 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I often cried looking at the price tag

[–]CervantesX 180 points181 points  (25 children)

Cancer from baby powder.... car manufacturers that falsify emissions reports... cargo ships spewing out more dirty exhaust than a city full of cars... Gee, it's almost like you can't rely on capitalist companies to do what's best for humanity.

[–]RedSquirrelFtw 42 points43 points  (11 children)

But let's put a carbon tax to discourage individuals from driving or eating too much!

If governments really cared about the environment they'd be going after the big corporations first. Those are the ones with the biggest impact.

[–]mrdilldozer 10 points11 points  (0 children)

you can do both

[–]zangrabar 22 points23 points  (1 child)

They keep trying. But then people who "dont believe in climate change" ruin all progression.

[–]CervantesX 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We need to fix all parts of the system. The carbon tax isn't there as a discouragement for everyday folks to do everyday things, it's there to start raising a little bit of money from carbon-heavy activities so that we can spend the money being less carbon-heavy in the future.

That's entirely different from big companies (rather, the humans in charge of them) intentionally lying to everyone about their dangerous products just to make some more money before they get caught.

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[–]thebobbrom 11 points12 points  (16 children)

As someone who uses talc regularly does anyone know of a safer alternative?

[–]mhopkirk 20 points21 points  (9 children)

cornstarch

[–]thebobbrom 3 points4 points  (7 children)

Surely they just becomes like a paste

[–]midnightauro 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Not as much as you'd think. Unless you're pouring sweat as you put it on.

[–]thebobbrom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh ok I'll check it out

[–]boar_amour 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Don't buy a sack of corn starch from the food section. They make baby powder from cornstarch. Check the label.

[–]RoostasTowel 2 points3 points  (2 children)

So do we think the pure corn starch baby powder has no talc/aspestos or is it possible there is still some?

[–]mhopkirk 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It is commonly used

[–]DigitalGarden 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Arrowroot powder or rice powder. You can buy in bulk online.

[–]lynivvinyl 20 points21 points  (6 children)

If they'd just called it "Adult Powder".

[–]Purplociraptor 28 points29 points  (5 children)

That's cocaine

[–]underwriter 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Stephen King nods vigorously

[–]lynivvinyl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's why they made children's cocaine.

[–]ima420r 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This worries me. I have been using baby powder almost my entire life.

[–]AnnaKossua 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Back in 2014, the owner of Peanut Corporation of America was sentenced to 28 years in prison for covering up evidence of Salmonella in their peanut products. Nine people died, and over 700 were sickened. The owner's brother and a QC manager also were convicted.

If the Johnson & Johnson criminal investigation finds they covered stuff up, etc., I really hope this same fate befalls them.

[–]nicehats 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Thing is, this is true for any talcum powder, or am I missing something?

[–]thewestisawake 25 points26 points  (3 children)

I had two female family members who died of ovarian cancer. Both regular talcum users. I have another male family member who was a routine (pretty much daily) user of talcum until he contracted penile cancer. Doctors treating him suggested talcum use may have been a cause. It wasnt caught earlier enough and although he survived the cancer after 3 years of treatment, he didn't survive intact.

[–]surreyboy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They Theon Greyjoy'd him? He deserves every penny from this company

[–]jitatime 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ugh i just saw some lawyer commerical against some drug company that was still producing its "bad" drug and didnt put out its "good" drug until the patent on the bad one was done. The greed over health is too much now.

[–]Lich_Mordenkainen 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I use that shit. Do I have Johnson & Johnson's Johnson & Ball cancer?

[–]ultrafud 18 points19 points  (25 children)

What do you use talcum powder for? Seems like a generational thing perhaps, but I don't get what it's all about.

Edit: Okay guys, thanks for all the answers involving your ass and balls.

[–]J-ShaZzle 13 points14 points  (7 children)

I was told that back in the day before disposable diapers. It was used as a barrier for the clothe diapers. Helped solidify everything and prevent leaks. I'm assuming it was rash preventer as well. We were gifted some powder and not once has it crossed my mind to use it. Just seems like a dusty mess to me. They have "butt paste" now to prevent rashes. Definately feel guilty tossing disposable diapers in the trash though.

[–]ImperatorConor 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Its a friction thing. People still use it all the time, goldbond powder is the same thing (with some minor fragrance additives)

[–]thedragonturtle 11 points12 points  (0 children)

My dad puts it in his ass crack and on his balls.

[–]symoneluvsu 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Moisture absorption and friction reduction. Put in places you dont want staying moist or getting chafed.

[–]soulslicer0 8 points9 points  (3 children)

I only use it during camping. It's great for dry bathing

[–]lionzdome 5 points6 points  (7 children)

Isn't this very product still on the shell?

[–]thejuh 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Corn starch now.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (4 children)

J&j and all there subsidiaries are banned in our household. That's maybe like 100 dollar they don't get... But we'll at least :)

[–]blsfulchaos 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yup, turns out it's ridiculously easy to cut most major manufacturers out of your home.

[–]Muser69 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It was 1980 when I heard about baby powder and cancer

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sick bastards. Unfortunately, you can't trust conglomerates to give shits about peoples health. They'd rather poison you, and worry about the legal bills later.

[–]Etherius 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Wait excuse me?

I use this shit on my junk every day.

[–]devsmack 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was wondering why I was getting bombarded with positive image Johnson & Johnson ads on YouTube.

[–]Gamer_Koraq 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I mean, yeah, but this news article offers literally zero new insight or information.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What mid-level paper pusher decided to risk the entire company's brand equity over a contamination issue?

"Johnson and Johnson: We poison babies"

[–]MonjStrz 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Sooo I should stop using baby powder?

[–]SwitchTruther 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Just use cornstarch

[–]Sycou 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've been using this shit on my balls...

[–]dyb2000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good old J&J always wants more money

[–]Ayayoska 2 points3 points  (1 child)

imagine how many other things causes us terrible health problems and we don't acknowledge them

[–]admiralgoodtimes 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is why we need universal healthcare. Companies poison us and our environment under the guise of capitalism. Our government would rather let capitalism reign than safety or moral fucking business practices, so we might as well foot them with the health bill.

[–]simply_bg 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They have been for years now. This is super old and JnJ has been winning the suits cuz they have decades of data saying their baby powder is safe

[–]RustyPwner 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Ahhh when lawyers are scientists... Everytime these "science is decided in courtrooms" posts come to light I have to scroll further and further down to find any logical post. Sifting through hundreds of circle jerking anti-corporate bullshit comments devoid of any critical thought. What a fucking disappointment.

[–]GTFOakaFOD 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Isn't this old news?

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

"Hey, these ingredients might be cancerous"

"Yeah, but, money."

- Every corporation, ever. And subsequently, every political party/politician that a corporation has donated to.

[–]Kavein80 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe they'll get fined 5 million dollars. I'm sure that'll show them

[–]XrosRoadKiller 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lucky they aren't in China. They would've been executed for that. I remember the toxic baby powder incident.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But guys the free market should stop this sort of thing.

[–]ruttentuten69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Present and living past CEOs to jail. That will get their attention. Losing money is part of the cost of doing business for a criminal enterprise.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Didn't they already get dinged for this after a female used it as a feminine hygiene product?

It's funny, you see these type of articles then it's just business as usual after. Johnson & Johnson own a ton of companies as well.

[–]theDoctorAteMyBaby 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Does this apply to Goldbond as well?

[–]ukyah 1 point2 points  (0 children)

was wondering the exact same thing.