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[–]nakthai91 132 points133 points  (84 children)

It’s an anti vax deflection tactic. Once novavax is here they’ll be waiting for the next one

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (67 children)

Not necessarily. Plenty of people are not against vaccines, but are hesitant of new technology. Novavax will get a lot of conservatives on side and vaccinated. People want to move on. You will never be able to vaccinate the entire population

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (3 children)

Exactly! I had an adverse reaction to pfizer (I know speaking about such things is a particularly heinous crime and I should be stoned) but instead of taking a massive risk by having a 2nd shot, I would be more keen to try a vaccine made by more traditional methods.

[–]MeepTMWACT - Vaccinated 35 points36 points  (0 children)

I'm 95% sure if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine you are permitted to get a second dose of a different vaccine, so, Astra or Moderna. But whatever your doc says I guess.

[–]tabletennis6 13 points14 points  (0 children)

If you don't mind me asking, what was the adverse reaction? My cousin had pains all over from Pfizer but he got his second and he's all good now.

[–]Knee_Jerk_Sydney 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Did you get blood clots? myocarditis? Did you end up in the ED? What did they say?

[–]thewavefixationNSW - Boosted 24 points25 points  (22 children)

We already have good vaccination rates.

Numpties left by now are just the inevitable hardcore deniers who have zero competency to evaluate any of this

[–]pharmaboy2 11 points12 points  (3 children)

But you have no competency to evaluate these vaccines either - so I don’t quite understand the point .

It seems to be a question of trust and confidence in a system to me - dealing with that trust seems to be more the issue

[–]gffgjhffhbg -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

He does have competency because he is quoting subject matter experts.

The actual question is whose advice are you following.

[–]pharmaboy2 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The question is indeed what advice are you following - that is precisely my point .

Wave fixation chooses govt , accepted experts etc etc - versus someone who doesn’t want a vaccine who does not trust govt and by extension CHO’s etc etc .

No one on this sub that I’ve read has enough competency to truly evaluate a vaccine - provide opinions of others for sure - in fact it’s that knowledge that ensures I take the advice of real world experts .

Anyway - I wasn’t replying to any other post that had expert quotes I was replying to the one above about competency

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (9 children)

Wrong. I'm not vaccinated, but I will be once we get Novovax. Wanting to wait for a more traditional vaccine doesn't make me a denier and I've probably got as much competency as you to comment on the matter.

[–]thewavefixationNSW - Boosted 1 point2 points  (8 children)

I doubt it. I am sure you believe that tho.

Every vaccine shopper thinks they are different to the rest of them.

You arent.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

I see, because I haven't got a jab yet I must be hardcore anti-vax huh? Just like 'the rest of them'.

I'm glad you've got me all figured out. Next time I want to learn something about myself I'll hit you up.

[–]Tillaz123 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Have a cardiologist that recommended you avoid Pfizer due to a pre existing heart condition? ANTI VAX!!!

Not really keen on Pfizer's amazing clean legal record? ANTI VAX!!!

Keen to get Novavax as soon as possible? ANTI VAX!!!

Take medical privacy seriously? ANTI VAX!!!

Concerned about Pfizer's lobbying powers? ANTI VAX!!!

Concerned about Pfizer's financial involvement with FDA and CDC? ANTI VAXX!!!

Concerned about medical privacy? ANTI VAX!!!

Basically, if you're in any way against Pfizer as a company or have any reason to not get the jab you're considered "anti vax". 👏🏼👏🏼

Anti Vax doesn't mean what it used to mean anymore.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Don't ask questions or think for yourself you dirty Anit-Vaxxer, just worship the all mighty Pfizer! 🙌 What's that old saying? 'Get jabbed now, ask questions later'

[–]s_twig 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's right. And apparently those hesitant (for a variety of reasons, that are frankly between them and their GP) are now scum. But, I would question those so willing to throw us under the bus, unwilling to discuss or listen, disparaging entire groups of people and treating them as less than human, consider what you've become.

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      [–]anonymous-guy87 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      utter garbage talk. we wait for Novavax cause we don't want to get stuff injected that was grown on dead baby cells. :)

      [–]-V8- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      As you can see, situational divide is working it's magic.

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            [–]Knee_Jerk_Sydney 10 points11 points  (20 children)

            Rubbish. Most people don't know about the nuances of the different vaccines and how they work until they were looking for reasons not to have them.

            [–]jjolla888 15 points16 points  (4 children)

            the biggest contributor to hesitancy has been the government - from my recollection, here is an overview of gov announcements from Scovid himself:

            1. AZ is going to be our vaccine [before any trials were published]

            2. AZ is our vaccine, and is now available for everyone [just when AZ published botched research]

            3. AZ is only for over 40s. Pfizer for others [despite little Pfizer available]

            4. AZ is only for over 50s [despite little Pfizer available]

            5. AZ is only for over 60s [despite little Pfizer available]

            6. AZ is perfectly fine for anyone

            7. AZ is perfectly fine for anyone but only if your doctor says so

            8. We will indemnify any doctor against any damages from saying so

            and yet somehow we have the public believing it's their own fault for being hesistant

            [–]Knee_Jerk_Sydney 3 points4 points  (3 children)

            It is a contributor but hardly the biggest. It's the army of misinformation trolls who spread much of what used to be mostly fringe ideas which they spread just for their amusement, to create chaos, or for the stupidest among them, actually believe it.

            Morrison fucking it up is a major contributor, though. However, even when other vaccines were available, some were still "hesitant". They just keep coming up with one more excuse and then another.

            [–]seriouspostsonlybitc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Example of ideas that are mainstream that used to be fringe?

            [–]pharmaboy2 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            Does anybody take medical advice from Morrison ?

            I mean anybody at all?

            [–]Knee_Jerk_Sydney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Nobody. But your hero bumbled the vaccine purchase and confused the messaging by failing to coordinate with ATAGI.

            [–]coreyandreas 2 points3 points  (10 children)

            But a lot of people do, and even looking for reasons not is actually a good thing, some would say its even reminiscentof the scientific method. The biggest group of vaccine hesitant, according to education level, is PhD graduates. Not normally the dumbest people in the population. https://www.upmc.com/media/news/072621-king-mejia-vaccine-hesitancy Look, the amount of hate on this page against the unvaxxed is absolutely absurd, and vaccine mandates are one of the worst methods to take. It does slightly increase vaccine uptake, but drops trust in public institutions immensely. Something we are already seeing. https://gh.bmj.com/content/6/2/e004877

            [–]Knee_Jerk_Sydney 6 points7 points  (8 children)

            but drops trust in public institutions immensely.

            They had no trust to begin with otherwise they would have gotten vaccinated. Also, there is no proof that phD graduates are the biggest hesitant group. It's another big lie going around. It was a bogus survey that got became a factoid.

            [–]seriouspostsonlybitc 0 points1 point  (5 children)

            That's an easy way to change facts, you just call it misinformation.

            Well done, very clever.

            [–]Knee_Jerk_Sydney 0 points1 point  (4 children)

            The onus is on them to prove it, not me to disprove their baseless assertion.

            [–]seriouspostsonlybitc 3 points4 points  (3 children)

            No no no.

            YOU asserted that the study was bogus.

            That's your assertion to prove.

            Go ahead, ill wait.

            [–]Knee_Jerk_Sydney 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            That's like being asked to prove the moon is not made of cheese after you you believe it is made of cheese after watching Wallace and Gromit: A Grand Day Out.

            [–]clayer77 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            So you're saying scientists from Carnegie Mellon University who investigated this topic are bogus? Sounds almost as if you were anti science https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/americans-with-phds-are-most-reluctant-to-get-vaccinated-against-covid/ar-AANjRHh

            [–]Knee_Jerk_Sydney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            READ UP THE THREAD.

            [–]seriouspostsonlybitc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            It's really a great example of the midwit theory commonly seen on the bell curve meme.

            [–]ellalingling 1 point2 points  (3 children)

            Or they just want to be informed about what they're putting in their bodies.. Like you would read the ingredients on a food packet.. not everyone wants to eat high fructose corn syrup for breakfast because its extremely unhealthy.. and yet that cereal box is still allowed on a supermarket shelf.

            [–]Knee_Jerk_Sydney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Your example of your interpretation of the ingredients list on a cereal box is exactly the point.

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              [–]kintsukuroi3147Boosted 7 points8 points  (8 children)

              They have their hopes set on a company that’s been running for 34 years without having a single product approved and commercialised?

              [–]Cat_Fur 18 points19 points  (4 children)

              So?

              Moderna specialises in mRNA technology and has never produced a previous product and has been in the red since inception over a decade ago.

              Pfizer has paid billions in fines due to illegal practices.

              History may or may not be an indicator of anything but we can point the finger at all of these companies for something.

              [–]kintsukuroi3147Boosted 4 points5 points  (3 children)

              Novavax has 20+ years on Moderna. And that’s not even bringing up their previous sourcing and current QA/QC issues.

              Edit: Moderna even has the excuse they were trying an entirely new technology in mRNA-based vaccines.

              If Novavax is specialising in “traditional” protein based vaccines that have a long track record why are they still having so much trouble?

              [–]Cat_Fur 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              TBH, I would say it's a coronavirus problem.

              There hasn't been a coronavirus vaccine or treatment before. Arguably the motivation ran out after SARS fizzled itself out.

              But in any case, we shall see...

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                [–]olly128VIC - Vaccinated 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                And apparently didn’t have enough plastic bags.

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                  [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                  They’ll likely catch Covid before it’s available here

                  [–]ellalingling 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Depends where they live and how careful they are

                  [–]ElderberryNo6355 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  And they’ll likely survive it. 🤪

                  [–]sathionQLD - Boosted 2 points3 points  (5 children)

                  Not necessarily. Plenty of people are not against vaccines, but are hesitant of new technology.

                  Is MRNA really that new though? I mean I have limited knowledge on the subject but I'm pretty sure I've read here on this sub that's been in development for years and tested for other uses in that time.

                  [–]SAIUN666 11 points12 points  (1 child)

                  mRNA vaccine technology has existed for a few decades, but research and development has only heated up in recent years as the tech has improved.

                  mRNA vaccine candidates went through early stage Phase I clinical trials for diseases such as influenza in 2015-2018, as well as Zika virus and RSV in 2019. Results from the influenza trial suggest the mRNA vaccine was safe, but as it was only a Phase I trial was not designed to test for the effectiveness for preventing infection, severe disease, or death. None of these mRNA vaccine candidates appear to have progressed past Phase I trials.

                  The mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are the first mRNA vaccines to make it through Phases I and II, being initially rolled out to the public under Emergency Use Authorization instead of full approval since Phase III trials are still ongoing.

                  Importantly, viral-vector DNA vaccines like AstraZeneca and Johnson&Johnson share many similarities to mRNA vaccines, in that they teach your body to grow spike proteins in order for you to develop antibodies to those spike proteins. The way they get there is slightly different but the overall goal is the same. Deliver genetic material into some of your cells to make those cells grow spike proteins.

                  The only previously approved-for-the-public DNA vaccines were for Ebola in 2019 and 2020. Viral-vector DNA vaccine candidates were studied for respiratory pathogens in the past such as SARS and MERS, but conclusively failed clinical trials as they caused Antibody Dependent Enhancement. This is when being vaccinated results in more severe disease than being unvaccinated:

                  Immunized ferrets developed a more rapid and vigorous neutralizing antibody response than control animals after challenge with SARS-CoV; however, they also exhibited strong inflammatory responses in liver tissue. Inflammation in control animals exposed to SARS-CoV was relatively mild.

                  https://journals.asm.org/doi/full/10.1128/JVI.78.22.12672-12676.2004

                  VRP-N vaccines not only failed to protect from homologous or heterologous challenge, but resulted in enhanced immunopathology with eosinophilic infiltrates within the lungs of SARS-CoV–challenged mice.

                  https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.0030525

                  Prior Immunization with Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS)-Associated Coronavirus (SARS-CoV) Nucleocapsid Protein Causes Severe Pneumonia in Mice Infected with SARS-CoV

                  https://www.jimmunol.org/content/181/9/6337.short

                  The issue with ADE is that it's not specific to DNA or mRNA vaccines, it's mostly a factor with coronaviruses in general. Other vaccine types including the tried-and-true inactivated virus vaccine have struggled with the same problem:

                  Double-Inactivated Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus Vaccine Provides Incomplete Protection in Mice and Induces Increased Eosinophilic Proinflammatory Pulmonary Response upon Challenge

                  https://journals.asm.org/doi/full/10.1128/JVI.06048-11

                  Immunization with inactivated Middle East Respiratory Syndrome coronavirus vaccine leads to lung immunopathology on challenge with live virus

                  https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/21645515.2016.1177688


                  TL;DR: mRNA vaccines are new, viral vector DNA vaccines are new, but the biggest thing people are concerned about is that trying to create a vaccine for any type of coronavirus is still very new and has faced significant safety challenges.

                  Studies have already shown that the mutations that produced the current Delta variant shifted the balance towards ADE and that a few mutations to the existing Delta variant would cause ADE.

                  I kinda went off on a tangent there but hopefully the info is helpful.

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                    [–]brachi- -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

                    Yeah, they’ve been working on it for YEARS, and the reason we’re all so excited about it (and why it’s taken so long) is that mRNA is so damned fragile it’s been nigh on impossible to get it into the body intact! And now it’s something we can do, it opens up possibilities for vaccines / treatments for all sorts of conditions, just bloody brilliant.

                    Katalin Karikó is going to get a Nobel prize, is my bet.

                    [–]ChrisTsak17 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    Good comment. People who want to get to get the Novavax will, people who don’t want to, won’t.

                    [–]lamedeez 7 points8 points  (5 children)

                    Yep, before they said waiting for moderna, just moved that goal post back to the next one once we got moderna.

                    It's never ending, if we get novavax they will change it to something else.

                    [–]noglen 12 points13 points  (2 children)

                    Can't see why anyone would have been waiting for Moderna given its basically the same as Pfizer.

                    Novavax is a more traditional vaccine so I can understand why someone would be more comfortable with it over mRNA

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                      [–]ghostfuckbuddy 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                      Don't treat groups of people like monoliths. Different people have different reasons for wanting Novavax. I've gotten Pfizer and I would still prefer a Novavax booster due to having an adverse reaction. All you're doing is tearing down any attempt at having a reasonable conversation before it can even get started.

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                        [–]Angela_JW 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                        What? I don’t get why one would think it’s a tactic. It’s a just good vaccine.

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                        [–]Penguin2359 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        Exactly this, have anti vax colleagues who said they were waiting for Pfizer when only AZ available, now they're waiting for Novovax. Big surprise...

                        [–]funnystory78 -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

                        Exactly and meanwhile here’s a bottle of quinine - oh don’t worry they’ve got plenty spare in the bunker.

                        [–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (20 children)

                        First they were all "waiting" for Pfizer...then "waiting" for Moderna...now they're "waiting" for Novovax! LOL

                        [–]Jacsam_1720 20 points21 points  (15 children)

                        At this rate they’ll be waiting for an ICU bed.

                        [–]Save3Omas-Kill2Kids 0 points1 point  (9 children)

                        This is the Australian government’s modelling for Covid from April 2020 right when we went into national lockdown and didn’t know much about covid.

                        This is basically the doomsday scenario and even this has <1% ICU admissions for people under 40.

                        Why the fuck do you clowns keep assuming everyone who gets covid is going to hospital or going to die?

                        Have you just ignored data for the past 20 months or something?

                        [–]Coz131 10 points11 points  (6 children)

                        Have you seen the fucking insanity that was Indonesia, India, Brazil and many other countries? Why is being careful such a big issue to you lot?

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                              [–]Jacsam_1720 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                              🤡?

                              Why are you assuming that I’m on about those <40? So, you want to quote 2020 modelling? How about actual data from 2021? (Such as from Page 9, Table 5): https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/C50CAE02452A48A7CA2587320081F7BF/%24File/covid_19_australia_epidemiology_report_48_reporting_period_ending_15_august_2021.pdf

                              [–]prata69 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                              You assume that they're at risk

                              [–]Jacsam_1720 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                              You assume they’re not?

                              [–]prata69 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                              no, but the majority are not at risk

                              [–]Jacsam_1720 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                              And what are you basing that statement on?

                              [–]prata69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              the cases.

                              [–]indecisivelypositiveNSW - Boosted 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                              Yeah this is the thing. We're at 90 something percent now. I don't care for this niche antivax market. I feel they get off of it. I pay them no attention. Oh noooo everyone is waiting for meeeeee. I'm special I'm different. I'm the last. Makes them interesting. It's the new I have gluten sensitivity/lactose lah lah I'm spesh

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                                [–]SAIUN666 12 points13 points  (10 children)

                                3 days ago:

                                We expect to complete multiple ongoing rolling regulatory submissions within the next couple of weeks in key markets, including the United Kingdom, Europe, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

                                https://ir.novavax.com/Novavax-Reconfirms-Confidence-in-Regulatory-Filing-Timelines-and-Manufacturing-Quality

                                Who knows how long the TGA take to process the approval, but we've got 51 million doses on order and I can imagine they want to do everything possible to give more options to the people still hesitant.

                                [–]jxsondavey372 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                                Does anyone know how long the TGA took to approve the others (AZ, Pfizer, Mod) from day of submission? Considering they’ve been feeding info to them already throughout the year, I’m guessing it should be <30 days post submission to approve.

                                [–]eldoops 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                                Judging by the safety/efficacy trails for Novavax it seems like an educated decision, especially if someone is in a very low risk demographic. I would never shame or bully someone for making their own decisions regarding medication choice.

                                [–]OdballlVIC - Boosted 12 points13 points  (1 child)

                                Waiting for Godot Novavax.

                                [–]hu_he 10 points11 points  (30 children)

                                I don't understand the greater level of trust for Novavax, whose manufacturer is dragging out the testing process for some unexplained reason and still only has data for about 20,000 people, than for the ones that quickly and easily proved their efficacy and for which we have millions to billions of patient data.

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                                [–]hu_he 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                Are you suggesting people are waiting for Novavax because Pfizer committed financial fraud over a decade ago?

                                [–]Tasty-Profession 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                It's more about how ethical/morally the company portraits itself, if the company decided in the past to do an felony, why wouldn't they do it in the future? Suddenly they have become a saving grace?

                                [–]LegitimateStorm1135 -3 points-2 points  (26 children)

                                It’s because morons think mRNA alters their DNA

                                [–]EaseSufficiently 3 points4 points  (22 children)

                                https://www.pnas.org/content/118/21/e2105968118

                                Yes, morons. With degrees. Doing original research. I'd rather trust facebook telling me it's impossible.

                                [–]LegitimateStorm1135 1 point2 points  (21 children)

                                I never said it was impossible, simply implied that the anti-vax crowd sometimes think it is how mRNA vaccines function. I'm a biomedical scientist with a PhD.... Have you read the paper you linked? It's not about vaccines altering DNA, it's about the virus altering your DNA.

                                [–]EaseSufficiently 2 points3 points  (18 children)

                                You didn't say vaccines, you said mRNA doesn't alter your DNA. Which is so wrong it's laughable.

                                [–]LegitimateStorm1135 -1 points0 points  (17 children)

                                Where exactly is your advanced degree from?

                                [–]EaseSufficiently 0 points1 point  (16 children)

                                Undergrad in MIT, post grad in Stanford.

                                Where's yours?

                                [–]LegitimateStorm1135 0 points1 point  (15 children)

                                In trolling?

                                [–]EaseSufficiently 1 point2 points  (14 children)

                                Don't feel bad, the University of Woolongong nearly sounds like a real place.

                                [–]LegitimateStorm1135 0 points1 point  (13 children)

                                Still haven’t told me what your degrees are in. I am genuinely curious now.

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                                    [–]crayonshankVIC - Vaccinated 7 points8 points  (4 children)

                                    Yes, I too know of people who all of a sudden are experts in vaccine technology.

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                                        [–]HabitwriterNSW - Boosted 5 points6 points  (3 children)

                                        There's an Australian developed vaccine based solely on the spike protein. It was featured on nine news and is being trialled in Vic. Maybe that's the next one they'll want to hold out for after novavax is approved.

                                        [–]annamiame 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                                        I was waiting for novavax because i have allergies to the others and don't like the idea of possible blood clots. The protein based novavax is a good alternative to many who can't get the vaccine for specific reasons 🙃

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                                          [–]monkeycnet 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                                          So many anti vaxxers seem to say they’re waiting for novavax. Next one will be along soon after it arrives that they will be waiting for

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                                            [–]Lain2501 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                                            Apparently it’ll arrive in November and be distributed through GPs.

                                            There’s a news.com.au article speculating that it’ll be delayed but officially it’s still going to come out in November and be available before Christmas, mostly to be used as a booster shot but can also be used for first dose.

                                            [–]Rictic1988 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                            Hey mate do you have any sources on that? Not being a dick, genuinely would like to find the info.

                                            [–]ApprehensiveTrust644 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                            Where Did you read this? I’m super keen to know because too scared to take the other vaccines due to multiple autoimmune syndrome.

                                            [–]Willing2Listen 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                            Oct. 18, 2021: A doctor in Korea reported autopsy findings of a 22-year-old man who developed chest pain 5 days after the first dose of the Pfizer - BNTX vaccine and died 7 hours later. The primary cause of death was determined to be myocarditis, caused by the vaccine.

                                            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34664804

                                            [–]jessicalynncp 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                            Info on Novavax is pretty easy to find. There’s long term data on it because it’s a protein based vax (flu shot is protein), it’s provisionally approved and the gov ordered 51 million doses ages ago, and there were less adverse reactions than pfizer and astra as per the TGA website. This is why I get pissed off when people say that doing your own research doesn’t mean shit. It does. If I am one of the unlucky ones who gets injured by astra or pfizer I’ll never forgive myself, so yeah I’ll wait for this one.

                                            [–]marrrvvyy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                            I was waiting for second gen vaccines. But with the qld boarders opening up in December I settled for moderna this wee. It’s the latest I can really have something and it be efficient for the great southern migration

                                            [–]SerbianWolf1389 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                            Yeah I went with AZ similar reasons I’m in QLD too. My second AZ will put me in line with border reopening a week or so after thst

                                            [–]NoodleBoxVIC - Vaccinated 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                            Yeah, someone I know is waiting for it. I'm not sure if she'll get it. Sad, really. But that's her, and I'm happy with Pfizer.

                                            [–]ApprehensiveTrust644 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                            I’m someone who is waiting for Novavax. I have Multiple Autoimmune Syndrome and am really scared about triggering/flaring my diseases. I’m pro vaccine. I imagine there are a lot of autoimmune disease sufferers who are like me. I keep making the appointment for Pfizer then becoming panicked and cancelling. I’m genuinely nervous. However, having had other vaccines in the past that are similar in process to Novavax I feel safer. I hate waiting and my anxiety levels are shit at the moment because Christmas is coming up and I’m really scared about catching covid. I don’t know which is worse, covid or triggering a flare of a potentially deadly disease?

                                            [–]my2dads 1 point2 points  (15 children)

                                            What makes them want the Novavax more?

                                            What makes the Novavax trustworthy?

                                            [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                                            Don't want mrna because of high rates of heart problems in young people, don't want az because of blood clots. Hopefully novavax doesnt have any serious issues. Makes sense to wait if your at low risk from covid.

                                            [–]CuriousFrog_ 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                            But wasn't there higher chance of heart problems for younger people from getting covid then the chances of getting heart problems from the vaccine?

                                            [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                            The study that I saw claim that, used the raw vaers statistics to estimate the rates of myocarditis rates from Pfizer. Vaers statistics are almost certainly an undercount, as if everybody in the country, including children had 2 doses of Pfizer, country wide we would only expect 60 cases of myocarditis. If you look through this sub there's a decent amount of threads of people saying they experienced heart problems from the vaccine, and anecdotally I know of two people who got heart problems (which would be highly unlikely if there was only 60 cases country wide) . Also if you go to the vaers website the first thing it says is that any vaers statistics are likely to be heavily under reported. Regardless even if covid did cause higher rates of heart problems than the mrna vaccines, if someone wanted to minimise risk as much as possible, they could self lockdown and try to avoid covid as much as possible until novavax came out. (assuming that novavax doesn't have any nasty side effects)

                                            [–]SerbianWolf1389 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                                            I was one of those people here in Australia waiting for Novavax mainly due to avoiding the side effects of mRNA vaccines such as myocarditis and so on. Also until recently Astra Zeneca wasnt available to me as I’m under 50 Or whatever the current age limit is. Interestingly there was lots of negative press against AZ here in Australia a few months ago which coincided with a drive for younger people to get Pfizer. So I saw my doctor just the other day and went ahead and got my first shot of AZ. I’ll be getting my second AZ shot in about 6-8 weeks.

                                            Furthermore I have read that AZ won’t be produced in Australia anymore next year which makes me fear that I would be left with no choice other than the mRNA vaccines soon. Hence why I went with AZ now rather than delay any more.

                                            However I hope to use Novavax as a booster once it does come to Aus next year.

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                                            How old are you may I ask

                                            [–]ChrisTsak17 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                            There is a group of people who uses it as an excuse.

                                            There is a group of people who don’t trust the new technology of the mRna vaccines and will prefer a traditional one.

                                            You can’t pressure either of the groups. It’s their choice.

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                                              I'm from the Philippines and I'm waiting for this vax too.

                                              [–]annamiame 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                              Some people are waiting for Novavax because they are allergic to pfizer and moderna and don't trust astra (like me) but im risking the moderna (need to be on hospital watch for a bit)

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                                                      [–]Mysterious-Error1179 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

                                                      there hasnt been a release date for any of the vaccines that have so far received provisional determination. novavax is currently in the final stage of provisional assessment and has been for over a week now, and will be available to the public "shortly", at a guess, in a week or so

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                                                            [–]Halcyon_Paints -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

                                                            mRNA tech has been in development for 30 years. People act like it was made up over night.

                                                            Edit: Downvotes from anti vaxxers. Oh I’m sorry a fact disrupted your little fantasy world.

                                                            [–]Academic-Ant5505VIC - Vaccinated -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

                                                            mRNA vaccine tech is old as and has been used on humans since 2013. Wtf are they waiting for

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                                                            Got evidence for that claim?

                                                            [–]Academic-Ant5505VIC - Vaccinated -1 points0 points  (3 children)

                                                            Im sure theres more, and probably earlier too but

                                                            mRNA Influenza vaccine in mice 1995 -https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7882341/

                                                            mRNA Rabbies vaccine in humans 2013 - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28754494/

                                                            Study was small but it was the first.

                                                            [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

                                                            And what you’re failing to mention is the safety and effectiveness of said vaccine in 2013. Did it make it as a final product? Or was it deemed unsafe?

                                                            [–]Academic-Ant5505VIC - Vaccinated -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

                                                            That was not my claim, I claimed it had been used since 2013 and was an old technology.

                                                            The study does not result in a final product as its a study on the safety and immunogenicity of the mRNA Rabbies vaccine as a first in human trial which resulted in the conclusion that the vaccine was generally safe with a reasonable tolerability profile.

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                                                            You claim that this is an old technology. Which is absolutely false. When a technology is finally deemed safe and effective and is brought to market, it is new. It has not been deemed generally safe and effective until recently and is still in phase 3 clinical trials. Furthermore, the mRNA vaccine from 2013 is different to the one we have now. It’s not old tech at all.