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Novavax press release: https://ir.novavax.com/news-releases/news-release-details/novavax-covid-19-vaccine-demonstrates-893-efficacy-uk-phase-3

AP: https://apnews.com/article/africa-south-africa-us-news-coronavirus-pandemic-b12421678bb74d840f8c7da6b7d8ce6b
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[–]l4adventure 234 points235 points  (124 children)

Holy smokes that's amazing news! This trial was conducted in the UK, so I would imagine it would bode well against at least the UK variant!

Last I heard Novavax expects to deliver 100 million doses for use in the United States in 2021.

[–]l4adventure 140 points141 points  (100 children)

On the down side though:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/28/health/covid-vaccine-novavax-south-africa.html

NYT reporting the vaccine is < 50% efficacy against the SA variant? And that they might have to develop a booster for that specific strain.

The official press release says:

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2021/01/28/2166253/0/en/Novavax-COVID-19-Vaccine-Demonstrates-89-3-Efficacy-in-UK-Phase-3-Trial.html

95.6% against the original COVID-19 strain and 85.6% against UK variant and 60% against South Africa variant.

That's a bit of a bummer on the SA variant. I wonder if it, like the AZ vaccine, prevented serious infection against all strains?

[–]dillonfinchbeck 90 points91 points  (32 children)

I would hope as you say, that the 60% for the South Africa is similar to the 60% for the normal strain for AZ.

As long as it prevents serious disease, It would still be great news while we wait for variant specific vaccines to be developed.

[–]CCappy 31 points32 points  (2 children)

You will see <50% for novavax against the SA strain reported a lot, but if you take out the HIV positive (6% of the trial) then the efficacy is closer to 60%. It was a much smaller trial, but still not that bad considering overall efficacy.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (3 children)

No need to wait.

Get it in peoples’ arms and open tf up!

[–]ErebusShark2 8 points9 points  (2 children)

How about get it in people's arms and ban travel with South Africa and Brazil?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I believe the latter is already done.

[–][deleted] 76 points77 points  (23 children)

Exactly. People need to Stop flipping the fuck out over over an infection. Did you end up in the hospital? No? Cool. Done.
Give Pfizer/Moderna to the elderly and start pumping vaccines like this into the under 50 crowd.

[–]omacaI'm fully vaccinated! 💉💪🩹 66 points67 points  (15 children)

I wish more people understood this.

In Australia there was a minor furor when AZ reported an efficacy 62% (with two full doses), and we had multiple "pundits" calling for it not to be used and all our efforts focused on the mRNA vaccines. What most missed was that AZ had an effective 100% efficacy against developing serious infection!

I'd rather take a vaccine sooner that will prevent serious illness, hospitalization and death at the risk of a minor "flu-like" infection, than wait another six to nine months for an mRNA vaccine. Besides, we can all get mRNA or the protein vaccines again later once the global rush has subsided.

[–]BD401I'm fully vaccinated! 💉💪🩹 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Yep exactly. I'm concerned about winding up dead or with debilitating health problems from COVID. I'm not terribly concerned about a "mild cold" version of COVID.

[–]Heelsboy77 12 points13 points  (7 children)

Yep, days of feeling like shit before bouncing back is a fair price to avoid death or disability.

[–]omacaI'm fully vaccinated! 💉💪🩹 15 points16 points  (6 children)

And some people only experience mild symptoms.

Personally, as an unfit man in his fifties, I'd expect to be bed-ridden but I'll take that over long-COVID or death any day!

[–]Heelsboy77 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Precisely. Prevention of death and disability is a win in my book, even if the the remedy isn’t an absolute shield against illness.

[–]LimpLiveBush 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Vaccines began with a 0% effective against infection inoculation in the form of cowpox. Quite effective at getting small pox not to kill you, though.

[–]claydavisismyhero 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Can people who’ve had covid chime in whether it’s as easy as hey you didn’t die?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My wife and I had it in March.
What we’re not injecting into the conversation much (me included at times) is that if a vaccine is keeping you out of the hospital chances are high that it’s fighting off the other lingering effects.

[–]djhhsbs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes my thoughts exactly. If you think AZ is useful for normal strain then you should accept Novovax is useful for SA strain.

[–]TacoDog420 67 points68 points  (7 children)

No serious cases in vaccinated groups, but small sample size so tough to conclude anything for those data.

[–]shamalh 4 points5 points  (6 children)

Is this in their release? I could only find a reference to one severe case in the placebo, nothing about severity in the vaccinated group.

[–]TacoDog420 26 points27 points  (4 children)

Yep - I had to read a couple times to find it.

For UK: “The first interim analysis is based on 62 cases, of which 56 cases of COVID-19 were observed in the placebo group versus 6 cases observed in the NVX-CoV2373 group, resulting in a point estimate of vaccine efficacy of 89.3% (95% CI: 75.2 – 95.4). Of the 62 cases, 61 were mild or moderate, and 1 was severe (in placebo group).”

For SA: “Twenty-nine cases were observed in the placebo group and 15 in the vaccine group. One severe case occurred in the placebo group and all other cases were mild or moderate.”

https://ir.novavax.com/news-releases/news-release-details/novavax-covid-19-vaccine-demonstrates-893-efficacy-uk-phase-3

[–]gazorpazorpfuknfield 30 points31 points  (8 children)

This data on SA is very unreliable at the moment. There is a wide margin of error when they only enrolled over 4k people in SA and only 1 in the placebo group even had a severe case. We can't base too much on right right now

[–]ErebusShark2 3 points4 points  (7 children)

Well, we will see wit the J&J vaccine too. I'd expect similar variances. We already know from lab testing that the vaccines are much less effective against this strain.

[–]gazorpazorpfuknfield 14 points15 points  (6 children)

Moderna and Pfizer showed only a slight drop in effectiveness so far in the lab

[–]klownyBoosted! ✨💉✅ 19 points20 points  (9 children)

They also announced they're developing a booster against the SA variant. Hopefully everyone gets a booster for that variant before it spreads worldwide.

[–]johnFvr 8 points9 points  (0 children)

No, they wont create a booster, they will create a vaccine with all strains.

[–]Room480 3 points4 points  (6 children)

You think this could spread worldwide and be an issue?

[–]ford_cruller 27 points28 points  (2 children)

No way, it'll stay in Wuhan South Africa.

[–]lafigatatia 6 points7 points  (1 child)

It's already spread worldwide, but nobody knows if it will be an issue. If it does, we'll have a vaccine against it very soon.

[–]Room480 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ya I assume we will have the booster vaccine will be out soon

[–]jeopardy987987 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There are multiple cases in South Carolina for the SA strain now.

So yeah, it's spreading.

[–]JonathanFisk86 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Hopefully still reduces hospitalizations / severe cases significantly for the SA strain

[–]l4adventure 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Yeah that would be the best result of all this. Seems no one had severe covid that got the vaccine (including the SA variant). but the sample size was very small and it's hard to draw strong conclusions from the data.

[–]thinpileBoosted! ✨💉✅ 14 points15 points  (5 children)

I wanna see the J&J SA data. If they have solid data against that variant, would be great news. I feel like we need real world vaccine data against these variants anyway as opposed to bioinformatics. Might be more efficacious than we think.

[–]BattleHall 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I want to see the follow-on data from Pfizer; one of their Phase III trials was in SA, and I assume they are still following those folks.

[–]ErebusShark2 7 points8 points  (1 child)

All of these vaccines are targeted against the original strain. I would expect all of them to have similar reductions in effectiveness against the South Africa and Brazil strains.

[–]jdorje 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Side note: we have 0 data on the reduction of efficacy of any vaccine, or the neutralizing effect of convalescent plasma, or even a rough mortality rate estimate for the Manaus/P.1 strain. It's getting to the point where this is worrisome. There must be hundreds of thousands of cases (mostly in Manaus) of P.1 by now.

[–]yaolilyluBoosted! ✨💉✅ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I would wait for the actual data to come out, most likely the number of infections with the SA variant will be small and the confidence interval wide, that number could change with more data.

[–]Jouhou 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was pretty disappointed by the headline as I expected this to perform as well as or better than the RNA vaccines, but the clarification on the different strains sounds like it is performing as expected, just the South African variant is evading immunity worse than has been let on and the UK variant we were led to believe didn't impact vaccine efficacy actually is, just not enough to be too concerned about at the moment.

[–]s8nskeepr 4 points5 points  (1 child)

We caught up in these % a bit too much. When these trials started last year scientists would have happily taken a 60% efficacy rate. The fact that they worked well beyond expectations was a big bonus.

[–]l4adventure 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, you're very correct about that. Thanks for bringing that perspective. This is all amazing news

[–]solosososoto 16 points17 points  (13 children)

More bad news from their press release unrelated to their vaccine. their trial found 1/3 of South African subjects already had antibodies for the original strain but still got infected and developed symptoms from the new variant. Additional data on natural immunity not being great against E484K mutation (South African strain):

“ approximately 1/3 of the patients enrolled (but not included in the primary analyses described above) were seropositive, demonstrating prior COVID-19 infection at baseline. Based on temporal epidemiology data in the region, the pre-trial infections are thought to have been caused by the original COVID-19 strain (i.e., non-variant), while the subsequent infections during the study were largely variant virus. These data suggest that prior infection with COVID-19 may not completely protect against subsequent infection by the South Africa escape variant”

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (4 children)

Did people end up in the hospital? No? Cool. Done.

People are going to catch covid. I had it in March. I fully expect to get it again. However chances are whatever the version of covid, I’ll be totally fine because I had some protection. We’re acting like an infection is wholly unacceptable and means distancing forever.

[–]boooooooooo_cowboys 22 points23 points  (0 children)

You have too narrow a view of this. It’s still going to be several months (maybe up to a year or more for some countries) before we actually get everyone vaccinated, so we still do very much need to worry about where and how fast the virus is spreading.

From a public health standpoint, no one cares that your symptoms will be milder the second time around. It’s all about spread. The odds that you could be a vector for spreading the virus again just went up significantly and that changes the equation of how we deal with this virus until everyone is vaccinated.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Once we get most everyone vaccinated I agree. Masks on planes probably but otherwise back to normal.

[–]ford_cruller 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Masks on planes are a good idea anyways.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

The good news is that if the SA variant is reinfecting people, that means it probably isn’t more transmissible. It was just attacking a larger susceptible pool

[–]ErebusShark2 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Leave it to this sub to call it, "good news" that there are now strains that can evade natural immunity and the vaccine.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

In most versions of English, it is understood that the phrase "the good news is" implies that the overall news is mixed or bad, and that only this subset of the news is actually good.

[–]ErebusShark2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We've known the South African and Brazilian strains were able to escape natural immunity and reduce the effectiveness of vaccines for at least a month now. This is only, "news" to the eternal optimists on this forum who constantly downvoted every scientist saying as much.

[–]ErebusShark2 0 points1 point  (6 children)

This is likely similar to what the effectiveness of the other vaccines is in a real world setting. I wouldn't look at this and say it's worse than Pfizer and Moderna, I would look at this and worry about all vaccines against the South African strain.

[–]Cockwombles 14 points15 points  (6 children)

Half the cases on the trial were the new ‘Kent’ (U.K.) variant so this is first vaccine to show it is effective against the new more contagious variant.

[–]djhhsbs 12 points13 points  (5 children)

Wow you guys already nailed down the origin to specific cities and throwing shade at them LOL.

[–]TheScapeQuestBoosted! ✨💉✅ 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Kent is right at the (water) border with France, so a lot of theories that it originated there but we just detected it due to our significantly higher surveillance.

Probably why there's the emphasis on it being detected there.

[–]signed7Boosted! ✨💉✅ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

We're not seeing a spike in cases in France anywhere as much as in the UK (and now Portugal and Spain), though

Especially not in November (when the variant became dominant in the UK)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a bit like saying China didn't have the same spike as Italy so it didn't originate there. I don't think there is enough data to rule it out.

You seen the graph for France? It spiked massively at the start of November and UK spiked in December when lockdown lifted. UK had a lockdown all through November. The R rate through lockdown was above 1 so was there for most of Nov.

We can't say with any confidence it didn't originate there.

UK and Sweeden have the most effective sequencing capability so are quickest to find variants.

[–]s8nskeepr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You better believe it. The Mrs Miggins at 33 Station Road variant is a particularly nasty one.

[–]raidmytombBB 2 points3 points  (11 children)

Their trial in US didn't start till dec so I expect those results will come out in few months.

[–]Walts_Frozen-Head 5 points6 points  (10 children)

I went Wednesday and got my first shot for the US trial. They said the trial is about halfway filled so far and they think from running the Pfizer trial it will be the June time frame.

[–]dabomb75 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Weird, I'm getting my shot #1 tomorrow and I was told they hope to have phase 3 data out by March sometime. Seemed like an aggressive timeline so yours sounds like it's more likely although June seems like a pretty long time

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Lol I went this week too and they told me they were hoping May. I’m sure it is hard to know at this point. More people need to sign up https://www.novavax.com/PREVENT-19

[–]Avarria587 1 point2 points  (5 children)

They told me it would last about 3 months. Ugh, I hope it doesn’t last until June. If I got the placebo, that will be a long wait.

[–]Itsallsotiresome44 569 points570 points  (72 children)

New vaccine drop? 👀

[–]sross43 425 points426 points  (63 children)

Proud to be on this trial. This vaccine probably won’t be a big player in the US, but will be very useful in countries where Pfizer’s and Moderna’s storage needs are problematic.

[–]cowsmakemehappy 10 points11 points  (0 children)

100 million coming to US!

[–]fishwithfeet 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I'm proud to be working for one of the subcontracting companies making a bit of the vaccine :D

[–]rubbishaccount88 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Pitchfork says 7.5

[–]mrankin24 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fantano wore the yellow flannel for this one

[–]iamweddle 9 points10 points  (0 children)

just took an L on the VCNS app

[–]williamsw21 2 points3 points  (0 children)

babe wake up, new vaccine just dropped

[–]Dakke97Boosted! ✨💉✅ 131 points132 points  (20 children)

This fantastic news comes totally out of the blue. I expected Novavax to only reveal data in February at the earliest. Now we only need Johnson & Johnson single dose data on Monday and things are looking good.

[–]Trolli_Eggs 51 points52 points  (18 children)

Sadly this is just the UK trial. The US has a separate trial that we’re going to be relying on. So if you’re an American this won’t have much affect on you until maybe May. But still exciting! 😇

[–]costaman1316 58 points59 points  (0 children)

FDA has announced that they are willing to look at UK data as part of an emergency authorization if it meets criteria they will use it

[–]Dakke97Boosted! ✨💉✅ 14 points15 points  (6 children)

I'm from Belgium actually haha. Our factories produce both the Pfizer and the AstraZeneca vaccines and will possibly do the same for the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. Sadly, the EU had not signed a contract with Novavax yet.

[–]TyrionPotter 12 points13 points  (4 children)

I might be wrong, but I could swear the EU bought 100 million form Novavax

Edit: It was 200 million and they didn't close it.

https://www.politico.eu/article/commission-closing-in-on-deal-for-up-to-200m-doses-of-novavax-coronavirus-vaccine/

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

They will be forcing the UK to send ours over regardless.

[–]Salezec 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What the hell is up with that? That is unacceptable. The UK took it more seriously and placed orders MUCH sooner than the EU. You guys took a risk placing orders that early on and it payed off. The EU can piss right off lol

[–]TheReclaimerV 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why bother, just try and steal the UKs supply again (and fail).

[–]Hiddenagenda876 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Portions of it are being manufactured in Denmark

[–]Lilholdin 6 points7 points  (3 children)

I’m starting this trial in southern Indiana tomorrow, so it’s getting there.

[–]shallahI'm vaccinated! (First shot) 💉💪🩹 3 points4 points  (0 children)

US trial is still open & signing people up. They are giving 2/3 of participants the vaccine, 1/3 placebo: https://www.novavax.com/PREVENT-19

[–]lafigatatia 4 points5 points  (2 children)

It won't have an effect now, but at least you know the US trial will go well too!

[–]McHouston77002 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I don’t disagree, but it pisses me off that we have to wait months to come to the same conclusion. Just review the UK data and approve it already.

[–]Hiddenagenda876 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The FDA recently said they would look at the UK data

[–]mntgoat 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Any idea when the trial in the US will end?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They’re still enrolling participants, so it will probably be a couple of months. If you’re interested in participating info is available here: https://www.novavax.com/PREVENT-19

[–]virtualmayhem 52 points53 points  (5 children)

This is great news to hear as I sit in the doctor's office having just been injected with the first doss in the US arm of the trial! Now hopefully I have the real one and not the placebo

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Niceeeeeeeeeee

Tomorrow’s the one day you HOPE will be a bad one lol.

I did the same thing w/ Pfizer

[–]Acesonnall 85 points86 points  (21 children)

Some key points according to Novavax's press release:

  • "95.6% against the original COVID-19 strain"
  • "85.6% against the UK variant strain"
  • 60% effective against the troubling new South Africa strain
  • Edit: "These data suggest that prior infection with COVID-19 may not completely protect against subsequent infection by the South Africa escape variant, however, vaccination with NVX-CoV2373 provided significant protection."
    • So It sounds like anyone previously infected still needs to get vaccinated.

[–]johnFvr 19 points20 points  (13 children)

The thing is vaccinate people who already have been infected is not the same thing as being vaccinated for the first time. The body will stick to the old antibodies.

Original antigenic sin: A comprehensive review - ScienceDirect

[–]Acesonnall 3 points4 points  (5 children)

"In the original antigenic sin a prior exposure to an antigen leads to an ineffective to no response to a related antigen."

I didn't realize that being that I'm not knowledgeable in this field. That's interesting. Thanks for sharing.

[–]johnFvr 4 points5 points  (4 children)

That's why it's best for new vaccines will have all strains for people who are first time vaccinanted.

Novavax will do just that, not just a boost, but a vaccine with several strains.

I think Moderna and Pfizer only will do boosters.

[–]costaman1316 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Pfizer and Moderna have to do a single booster they can’t put too much mRNA or they will get severe reactions to the vaccine since they are self-adjunctex

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Do you have a source for this?

[–]FawltyPython 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Kinda...the antibodies from the infection that bind tightest to the vaccine antigens will "win".

[–]Jouhou 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Fortunately this doesn't really become problematic with antigenic drift like this.

It's more of an issue in this weird spot of being similar but significantly different like the different influenza A viruses like between H1N1 and H3N2. However being vaccinated/infected with different clades / subclades within those may actually hone your immune system to target more conserved parts of the virus that can give you broader spectrum immunity.

I would think this might be more of a problem for being infected with other endemic coronaviruses first, which we all have been. Only the very young have a chance of having evaded infection with these.

[–]gumercindo1959 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Not sure why this isn’t getting more PR. This is absolutely fantastic news.

[–]PopcornAndPornLuver 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Lol this is doomsday news according to whatever source you're reading tbh

[–]Lieffe 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Im a participant in this trial. I went down today for my 3 month review and was speaking to the nurse about when they will release the details from the study. Didn’t expect to get the notification while I was playing video games this evening!

[–]epsilonacnh 19 points20 points  (6 children)

Oooooo this is with a protein adjuvant, which is super established vaccine tech. The fact that it’s that effective is crazy awesome. So anyone with family or friends on the fence about being vaccinated with mRNA because it’s “new tech” could be convinced to take this.

[–]Salezec 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Actually, this is a pretty modern platform in its own way. The S protein produced is delivered in the form of protein nanoparticles, which isn't how protein vaccines have been deployed before. I think it's still fair to say that it's less "fancy" than mRNA and adenoviral vector vaccines.

[–]ComputerGeek1100Boosted! ✨💉✅ 31 points32 points  (2 children)

Signing up for its Phase 3 US trial today! I know it’ll probably be a while because the FDA needs US data too, but this is promising.

[–]Edu_catsBoosted! ✨💉✅ 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I had my visit on Monday. No side effects at all, but I read others had no effects from at least the first shot. It will be months most likely before being offered another vaccine so trying to do my part for science.

[–]theferk 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My husband and I went yesterday. Both of us had a tiny bit of arm/shoulder pain with movement for a few hours, and tenderness through today. But not much at all, and saline can do that too I think. Best of luck!

[–]TooOldToCareIsTaken 67 points68 points  (7 children)

*EU takes slow, deep inhale of breath and says to itself, you know what, I think it might be worth ordering some of that in a few months. No rush though. Let's have a meeting about it at some point. Maybe we can have a nice long chat with them and get a cheap deal.

[–]JonathanFisk86 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Can always kick a public tantrum in three months if we need to.

[–]ErebusShark2 7 points8 points  (3 children)

And the rich get richer since the US and UK already have ordered it.

[–]TheScapeQuestBoosted! ✨💉✅ 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Well the EU will take those UK orders when they fail to make timely orders.

[–]MagnesusBoosted! ✨💉✅ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

They have agreement for 100M + 100M optional.

[–]joshk114 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Can the US approve it from this data?

[–]yaolilyluBoosted! ✨💉✅ 20 points21 points  (3 children)

The US have historically demanded data from a US population, so far they have shown no inclination to make an exception for the Covid vaccines.

[–]whichwitch9 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Not necessarily. The US has a very diverse population, so lack of diversity is a big deal in many international trials. It is, however, possible for international trials to meet US standards. The UK does have a bit more of a diverse population than some other countries, so there's a chance.

AstraZeneca did not meet US standards internationally for a variety of reasons, like trial design.

[–]fp_weenie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

FDA actually analyzes the data itself, maybe that's a barrier?

[–]Huge-Being7687 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I wonder why this vaccine is getting like 1/10th of the traction Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca or Johnson & Johnson are getting. It's easy to transport, it's easy to manufacture, it's got data that's way more solid than AstraZeneca's, shows impressive protection against the UK variant and decent/good protection against the South African variant (even though the South Africa data is not barely statistically significant.

[–]Canadian_CJ 18 points19 points  (3 children)

So it is the best vaccine currently following phase 3 trial results for the original Coronavirus, as well as still a solid vaccine against the new variants.

Great news, looking forward to seeing their other phase 3 trial numbers support this, as a Canadian I'm getting a little desperate for some good news.

[–]tmleafsfanI'm fully vaccinated! 💉💪🩹 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I suspect this is why Canada upped the order to 76 million doses earlier this week.

https://ir.novavax.com/news-releases/news-release-details/novavax-and-government-canada-finalize-advance-purchase

On the bad news side, I don't see this vaccine as one of the candidates already in rolling review with health Canada (only Janssen and AstraZeneca are). So I suspect we are still some ways away from getting it approved here in Canada.

[–]signed7Boosted! ✨💉✅ 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It's also UK-produced (for the non-US, non-India market) so you wouldn't be held up by EU delays and potential export ban like with Pfizer :)

[–]TheteslaFanva 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Is this one shot or two??

[–]Kindly_Context_7693 13 points14 points  (23 children)

Who has ordered this and what kind of rough timeline can we expect for deployment?

[–]welk101 15 points16 points  (5 children)

Novavax has received orders for a minimum of 276 million doses to supply the U.S., Australia, Canada, and the U.K. The UK has secured 60m doses of the jab, which will be made in Teeside.

[–]Kindly_Context_7693 47 points48 points  (4 children)

I googled and also apparently the EU is in negotiations to buy it but hasn't placed and order yet despite months of negotiations.

Sounds about right.

[–]Pigeoncow 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No need to be first in the queue if you don't believe in queues!

[–]inglandationI'm fully vaccinated! 💉💪🩹 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh god why

[–]Salezec 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am not surprised... What the hell is wrong with them? I suspect they will be shouting foul play for not committing to ordering doses early on.

[–]SparePlatypus 22 points23 points  (11 children)

India- 1B

Japan: 250M

US 110M

Indonesia: 100M

UK: 60M

Canada: 52M

Australia: 51M

Phil: 30M

Deployment: depends on each countrys authorisation and agreements, some countries producing locally so some variations but it's expected around Q2 earliest afaik

[–]Bunt_smuggler 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Who's this Phil and why is he hogging so many vaccines?

[–]east_62687 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Indonesia and Japan also ordered this I believe..

[–]SparePlatypus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're, right. Added to list

[–]lafigatatia 10 points11 points  (1 child)

And in a totally unexpected turn of events, the EU is late on this too!

[–]castelo_to 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s okay, if there’s any supply being produced there they’ll just ban export after already telling other countries they can be supplied from their factories!

[–]EffektieweEffie 4 points5 points  (0 children)

New Zealand pre-ordered 10.7 million doses as well.

[–]Huge-Being7687 5 points6 points  (1 child)

The EU finished negotiations to sign a 200M contract a month ago and it's about to announce the contract. Won't take longer than next week most likely. Approval by March I guess

[–]Salezec 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That should have been done months ago... The UK will be getting the first 60 million doses, because they were first to sign a contract many months ago.

[–]GATORSEMENSLURPER 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hey! I’m a member of this trial! Great news!

[–]swing_axle 8 points9 points  (19 children)

Why would their company shares be down, given the good news they just released?

[–]bottombitchdetroit 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Stocks react on speculation.

Their stock prices likely (I haven’t looked personally) started increasing with the announcement of vaccine trials and will fall from here as everyone cashes out on that speculation.

[–]swing_axle 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That would make sense!

[–]inglandationI'm fully vaccinated! 💉💪🩹 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"Buy the rumour, sell the news" in action.

[–]padam11 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It’s called sell the news. The rumor that NVAX would get funding and make a good vaccine made it shoot up over a thousand percent over the year.

[–]ColonelBy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Are they down? According to this it closed slightly up for the day overall and has jumped up by just over 30% in after-hours trading.

[–]rueggy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It dropped initially but then mooned to almost a new all time high.

[–]v_awkward 3 points4 points  (3 children)

If I had to guess, I think the south african variant results are not as good

[–]Worth-Enthusiasm-161Boosted! ✨💉✅ 15 points16 points  (1 child)

60% against the South African variant sounds about comparable with the AZ vaccine for the “regular” covid. I’d feel very safe with this vaccine.

[–]redlollipop[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I was wondering that too - Maybe because it's still less effective than moderna/biontech?

[–]Acesonnall 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I would have thought it was technically more effective than those two, at least against the original strain. According to Novavax's own press release its "95.6% against the original COVID-19 strain" , "85.6% against the UK variant strain", and 60% effective against the troubling new South Africa strain.

If I recall correctly, Moderna's efficacy against the original strain is 94% and Pfizer's was 95%

[–]swing_axle 8 points9 points  (0 children)

If that's the case, I feel like non-science-y people have waaaay too high an assumption for vaccine efficacy.

Two doses of polio vaccine is 90% effective. MMR vaccine is only 78% effective against mumps. It's not really a flawless effectiveness that saves lives, but rather the reduction in spread afforded by mass vaccination.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Italy ordered none of this :/

But heya, we ordered 40 million doses from Sanofi

:/

[–]MagnesusBoosted! ✨💉✅ 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I don't think the doses were divided yet, the agreement for 100M for EU is preliminary at this point (I assume it reserved the doses so final agreement will only confirm it), countries will order when it finalizes. The agreement allows 109M more if needed.

[–]sanyogG 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Amazing results

It's less than 50% effective against SA strain but if you don't consider HIV positive (6% of total numbers) then it's 60% effective against SA strain. Company talked about boosting the serum for SA strain.

It's effective against British strain, and the old Covid strain too, it nearly reaches pfizer and moderna level but doesn't require cold storage of below 0° C. Very good news for poor countries like Oxford one.

[–]thecake90 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nice! The EU probably took their sweet time again closing a deal and we won't see any of the vaccine till the end of the year.

[–]sean_but_not_seenI'm fully vaccinated! 💉💪🩹 6 points7 points  (7 children)

I’m not sure how I feel about this unless the remaining 11% have a weakened experience of Covid. I mean as a diabetic, it could very well be fatal for me if I got Covid. Telling me I have a 11% chance of dying would still have me acting as if I have a 100% chance. Am I thinking about this wrong?

Edit: Not sure why I'm being downvoted for asking a question. Downvoting just makes it so that people who also have that thought or question don't get to see it or the answer and on a sub like this one, I would think that would be an important consideration.

[–]shaed9681 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m on this trial! Glad to help them gather data (hopefully I had the vaccine and not saline!).

I wonder if we find out which we had after, to save doses for others?

[–]HHNTH17 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I know it’s good news for the original/UK strains, but that’s really bad for the SA strain right?

I understand we can make boosters for the fall if we need to, but wouldn’t that just prolong any chance at returning to normal? It’s also important if it keeps people out of the hospital, but it doesn’t seem like we’re going to let it spread unabated even if it does that.

I can’t help but feel pessimistic about these results for some reason.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

60% is still good protection most flu vaccines offer less than 50% and they protect pretty well

[–]tinacat933 0 points1 point  (2 children)

But didn’t they say not against the South African variant?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It’s still above 50 and there’s a lot of uncertainty because of wide confidence intervals.

[–]PopcornAndPornLuver 2 points3 points  (0 children)

According to my reading of it, even if people got it, no one got sick from the variant. Like severe sick.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everyone buries the 60% lead against the S.A. variant.