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[–]Demandedace 4001 points4002 points  (224 children)

For a bit of perspective, the Measles vaccine is 93% effective. This is huge.

[–]DrunksInSpace 1863 points1864 points  (158 children)

Smallpox was 95% effective. Now smallpox is extinct (in the wild).

This is, indeed, awesome.

[–]NutinButAPeanut 721 points722 points  (103 children)

Let's wipe this virus off the face of the planet.

[–]MidgetSwiper 427 points428 points  (30 children)

Anti-vaxers: No

[–]DeltaHex106 622 points623 points  (38 children)

COVID-21 has entered the chat

[–][deleted] 82 points83 points  (13 children)

I praise you for your mindset. I wish everyone was thinking like that.

However, that's going to be a little harder than with smallpox. Smallpox's infectivity/transmission rate was much lower than that of COVID's due to the very nature of the virus. Not only that, but smallpox was known to have existed for so much longer. Only extremely enhanced prophylactic isolation combined with the vaccine will be able to curb the SARS-Cov2. And we've proven quite extensively that we're not great at the former method.

The vaccine looks like our only chance to curb the pandemic, but it will take an extremely long time and a great extent of changing our habits until we can get rid of the virus altogether. It will be a tough one to beat.

[–]Bigbadbuck 40 points41 points  (7 children)

Virus won't be gone but if it exists in small pockets it could be basically irrelevant. Or perhaps it turns into a flu type situation

[–]ovra360 21 points22 points  (8 children)

Does that mean that the smallpox virus is being kept/preserved in a lab somewhere?

[–]Steensius 37 points38 points  (5 children)

[–]gsfgf 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure the CDC has some too. It's important to keep some around in case it pops up suddenly and we need to respond.

[–][deleted] 150 points151 points  (31 children)

COVID can’t really ever go extinct. The reason it was possible for smallpox is that it’s not presymptomatic or asymptomatic. Also, smallpox only exists in humans.

[–]DrunksInSpace 106 points107 points  (5 children)

I meant to point out that 94% effectiveness is extremely effective, but did insinuate COVID could be eradicated and that’s incorrect. Thank you.

[–]StevenSanders90210 14.8k points14.8k points  (737 children)

While Pfizer’s vaccine requires ultracold freezing between -70C and -80C from production facility to patient, Moderna said it had improved the shelf life and stability of its own vaccine, meaning that it can be stored at standard refrigeration temperatures of 2C to 8C for 30 days. It can be stored for six months at -20C for shipping and long-term storage, the company said.

This is also very promising news. Getting it to everyone will be much easier.

[–]daabilge 1009 points1010 points  (110 children)

That's why I was hopeful for the arm patch style ones that they were talking about early on - they were shelf stable at room temperature which would have made distribution really easy, and they were a patch instead of an injection so you could theoretically just have volunteers distribute them instead of needing a medical professional to administer each injection. Theoretically they could even be mailed to people on request and applied at home.

[–]i_lost_my_password 162 points163 points  (26 children)

I remember when this first started and there was talk about how masks might not work since people wouldn't know how to use them correctly. I was like, "how on earth could someone use a mask incorrectly", but here we are.

Point being I'm not sure we can trust people to put a patch on their arm correctly and might really need nurse supervision.

[–]ferriswheel9ndam9 67 points68 points  (7 children)

What do you mean I can't put it over my t-shirt? You told me to put it on my arm and now it's on my arm. I don't like the sticky feeling so I just put it on my sleeve instead.

[–]kaynpayn 30 points31 points  (2 children)

I promise there will be some bottom feeder doing this in hopes for some free money suing someone.

[–]sweetdawg99 97 points98 points  (1 child)

Were those the ones out of the University of Pittsburgh?

[–]babypuncher_ 128 points129 points  (18 children)

My only problem with letting non-professionals apply the vaccine is that it will make it way easier for people to lie about having gotten vaccinated.

[–]PeaceLazer 20 points21 points  (4 children)

Thats true but im pretty sure it wont really matter if individuals dont get it. If a big chunk of the population gets the vaccine, the spread goes exponentially down

[–]babypuncher_ 12 points13 points  (2 children)

After a year or so, I agree, it won’t matter (assuming the 90+% efficacy holds).

I’m thinking more short term as people will want to start going back to their office spaces, concert venues, and amusement parks as quickly as possible next year.

[–]A_Sinclaire 1613 points1614 points  (516 children)

While Pfizer’s vaccine requires ultracold freezing between -70C and -80C from production facility to patient,

Isn't this wrong?

As far as I have read it can be kept in a normal freezer for up to 5 days (not as long as the Moderna vaccine, but still a big difference)

[–]TbiddySP 1540 points1541 points  (405 children)

From what I understand about production and logistics 5 days would be disastrous.

[–]tuckedfexas 300 points301 points  (86 children)

My friend is a pharmacist, their whole hospital system wasn’t even going to bother with the Pfizer vaccine. They don’t have ultra cold at any of their facilities and they knew others were close to being developed.

[–]A_Sinclaire 113 points114 points  (14 children)

For the large volume transport and storage yes.

But if you have one big distribution center with -80° storage in a city it could supply surrounding hospitals, clinics or vaccination centers every few days. So those smaller locations would not need ultra cold storage.

[–]porscheblack 99 points100 points  (0 children)

Which is exactly why it's awesome there's now a possible alternative that doesn't require the cold storage. Since both are likely going to be insufficient to meet demand, the Pfizer vaccine could be used in areas with this capability and the Moderna one could be used in areas where the logistics for cold storage are more difficult (assuming no disparity in efficacy or adverse reactions). It's a win-win.

[–]grim_f 98 points99 points  (25 children)

mRNA is relatively unstable. So it needs to be kept very cold.

Not sure what changes Moderna has made, but very interested to find out.

[–][deleted] 72 points73 points  (16 children)

Most likely a salt buffer, like most RNA stabilization solutions. They have likely developed one that doesn't interfere with the effectiveness of the vaccine after injection.

[–]Trismesjistus 39 points40 points  (6 children)

mRNA is relatively unstable

Confirmed. I used to work with it a lot, and it would denature if you looked at it mean

[–]suchascenicworld 3617 points3618 points  (304 children)

According to a CNN article:

"In Moderna's trial, 15,000 study participants were given a placebo, which is a shot of saline that has no effect. Over several months, 90 of them developed Covid-19, with 11 developing severe forms of the disease. Another 15,000 participants were given the vaccine, and only five of them developed Covid-19. None of the five became severely ill."

I do not know much about about vaccines, but that seems absolutely amazing.

Source: https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/health/moderna-vaccine-results-coronavirus/index.html

[–]therealsix 973 points974 points  (8 children)

Very promising. I really like the fact that the storage and life of the vaccine is more manageable. Please please please work.

[–]SadieTarHeel 183 points184 points  (2 children)

This is especially good news for developing countries who would have a hard time with the infrastructure necessary to distribute the BioNTech/Pfizer one. More options means better distribution worldwide. Very promising.

[–]DuxofOregon 1907 points1908 points  (59 children)

God, I hope this works. Need to get back to licking door handles ASAP.

[–]Sid-Biscuits 258 points259 points  (4 children)

Remember, that’s illegal on other planets.

[–][deleted] 66 points67 points  (1 child)

doorknobs yes, handles are still a grey area

[–]eRmoRPTIceaM 236 points237 points  (38 children)

The other day I turned around and saw my son licking across the patio door of my house, for ten minutes. 🤦‍♂️

[–]_klk_ 222 points223 points  (20 children)

You...you watched him do it for 10 minutes without saying anything?

[–]mistere213 290 points291 points  (13 children)

He was quiet and occupied. Sometimes you just leave them be.

[–]funlap38 48 points49 points  (0 children)

I feel this in my soul.

[–]Conambo 25 points26 points  (2 children)

Builds immunity to any future door-related illnesses

[–]eRmoRPTIceaM 61 points62 points  (1 child)

I'm pregnant, sick and tired. He's one and was occupied.

[–]Pahasapa66 2159 points2160 points  (553 children)

Excellent news. Moderna’s vaccine is being co-developed with Fauci’s NIAID institute, and being tested in 30,000 people.

[–]LakeLaoCovid19 1555 points1556 points  (404 children)

I'm in this trial, and had some mild side effects. (Double Blind, so I might have gotten the vaccine, might have gotten a placebo)

I cried when I saw the news this morning. I'm so happy.

(My arm hurt pretty decently the night of the shot. Like a bad charley horse. It actually woke me up from my sleep.
Besides that, some fatigue and nausea, and a mild headache for a day or two.)

[–]CohlN 181 points182 points  (56 children)

are you able to say what the mild side effects were? i’m not worried, just interested.

[–]LakeLaoCovid19 227 points228 points  (54 children)

My arm hurt pretty decently the night of the shot. Like a bad charley horse. It actually woke me up from my sleep. Besides that, some fatigue and nausea, and a mild headache for a day or two.

[–]Pahasapa66 117 points118 points  (42 children)

But, you could have recieved a placebo. No?

[–]LakeLaoCovid19 296 points297 points  (29 children)

Correct, I could have received the placebo.

I've behaved as if I received the placebo, better safe than sorry.

[–]Pahasapa66 153 points154 points  (19 children)

So that could be a side effect of having an injection and not the vaccine.

[–]LakeLaoCovid19 174 points175 points  (0 children)

Certainly could

[–]redwall_hp 110 points111 points  (7 children)

I get the same muscle soreness from flu shot, and had it from TDAP and MMR. TDAP and MMR came with fatigue and chills too when I got those a few years back.

They're pretty common symptoms to get after a vaccination, and I suspect the soreness is just a result of having a needle shoved into your muscle.

[–]Russtyler 223 points224 points  (192 children)

What side effects ?

[–]LakeLaoCovid19 613 points614 points  (174 children)

My arm hurt pretty decently the night of the shot. Like a bad charley horse. It actually woke me up from my sleep. Besides that, some fatigue and nausea, and a mild headache for a day or two.

[–]TheDonOfDons 342 points343 points  (12 children)

These are signs that your immune system is working. Its good news :)

[–]vipergirl 97 points98 points  (7 children)

Those side effects are consistent with some of the flu vaccine experiences. The first year I had one in 2014, I had a swollen node under my arm and it hurt like hell but disappeared in 2-3 days. The second time in 2016, I felt like crap for 36 hours and that disappeared.

I had one this year but I've been taking 3000 IU of Vitamin D since May and no side effects minus mild soreness at the injection site.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Just got the flu shot on Thursday and my arm hurt just a bit at the jab site and I had a headache the day after. Been taking vitamin D (5000 IU since April). Never thought the mildness could be attributed to that but makes sense.

[–]SapCPark 525 points526 points  (70 children)

Sounds normal for a vaccine.

[–]LakeLaoCovid19 258 points259 points  (63 children)

yup! No worse than a flu shot

[–]XA36 186 points187 points  (60 children)

Really? I get a flu shot annually and never got any of those symptoms

[–]SapCPark 123 points124 points  (10 children)

Tdap makes me feel like shit for a day and the flu shot hurts like a bitch. But it varies by person

[–]XA36 34 points35 points  (1 child)

Oh, Tdap was a bitch. Felt like someone hit my arm with a bat. Flu was no biggie

[–]tardisintheparty 51 points52 points  (9 children)

Ugh, lucky. I always get that bad arm pain.

[–]MightyCaseyStruckOut 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Same here. It's a mild discomfort that I'm willing to put up with, though, considering the alternative.

[–]whichwitch9 15 points16 points  (8 children)

Depends on the person. My dad hates it because he always gets a fever from the flu shot

[–]Dr_seven 33 points34 points  (7 children)

This reaction is not uncommon, and is probably the source of the popular myth that the flu shot can give you the flu! Fortunately it is a mostly harmless, if annoying generalized immune system response to the antigen being introduced.

[–]RedOctobyr 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I guess I've been lucky, then. My arm hurts for maybe 2 days or so after the flu shot, but not that bad, and I haven't had the other listed symptoms. To be clear, I'm taking about for flu shots, not vaccine trials.

[–]caffelightning 73 points74 points  (8 children)

Yes, but do you notice the bill gates mind control much? Or has he largely left you alone?

[–]LakeLaoCovid19 117 points118 points  (4 children)

I get a headache any time I touch an apple product now. /s

[–]M116Fullbore 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Shit, I've been experiencing that symptom for 10 years.

[–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (5 children)

I'll take that any day over isolated at home

[–]atlantic 72 points73 points  (5 children)

It's been three minutes and he/she hasn't responded. NOT GOOD!

[–]mulletpullet 30 points31 points  (3 children)

Took 11 minutes. Im guessing a side effect is extremely slow reaction time.

[–]gmil3548 364 points365 points  (40 children)

My dad is in the Astra-Zeneca trial that’s also supposedly about this effective. I think there may be multiple vaccines finished in the next couple months.

[–]emaz88 69 points70 points  (7 children)

Any idea when A-Z will be publishing their results?

[–]gmil3548 53 points54 points  (2 children)

No, I literally found out he was part of it yesterday. He did say that he thinks it will be a matter of weeks until the vaccine is ready.

[–]emaz88 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That’s awesome! And very cool your dad got to participate

[–]2tidderevoli[S] 2889 points2890 points  (164 children)

Two very effective vaccines. Maybe more to come. Very promising. 2021 might be the antidote to 2020

[–]SideBarParty 2040 points2041 points  (88 children)

Because you said this, 2020 will have 7 more hurricanes, and an earthquake that destroys California.

[–]2tidderevoli[S] 478 points479 points  (44 children)

Wasn't there an episode in Lost about this very ideas?

[–]SideBarParty 239 points240 points  (3 children)

Don't give 2020 any ideas.

[–]your_other_friend 175 points176 points  (29 children)

2020 has better writers.

[–]CinderPetrichor 73 points74 points  (22 children)

Does it, though?

[–]Larendue 120 points121 points  (10 children)

It definitely doesn’t. We’ve done murder hornets like 6 times. Just waiting for the clip show episode to take us home.

[–]DudesworthMannington 59 points60 points  (4 children)

The plot holes are pretty damning. The whole anti-mask bit was pretty unbelievable (people aren't that dumb). The four seasons landscaping thing was funny, but kind of over the top even for cringe humor. Glad it's getting renewed, because this would be a shitty ending to the series.

[–]kpandas 50 points51 points  (2 children)

lol as a Californian reading this first thing in the morning, well f you too buddy

[–]butsuon 93 points94 points  (9 children)

California will burn down before we decide to exit the union via tectonic force.

[–]mriguy 51 points52 points  (3 children)

Back when I lived in the Bay Area, I reassured myself that when the big one came, everything east of the San Andreas fault would sink into the Atlantic.

[–]kathryn_face 108 points109 points  (1 child)

Can’t believe you put that jinx into the universe

[–]Miserable-Pass-3456 44 points45 points  (20 children)

I'm curious on how that will play out. I can't imagine how they will "compete", especially if one is a bit more effective than the other... will they offer both, and use Moderna until there's no stock, and then use Pfizer? Will people have to buy one or the other, so Moderna will be more expensive?

[–]dameprimus 98 points99 points  (11 children)

There are 7 billion people on earth. They don’t need to compete, there’s plenty of people who need the vaccine to go around.

[–]wicktus 329 points330 points  (24 children)

This is a really great news.

The 5% also did not develop serious complications of COVID. What will be important once vaccines are out is the number of patients going into ICU/hospitals, if we are ALL either asymptomatic or have mild symptoms, there is no need to worry anymore, it's really the number of hospital entries/death/long-term complications that will be the benchmark, not the number of positive cases imo.

[–]S1NN1ST3R 493 points494 points  (41 children)

Wow I haul pharmaceuticals, crazy to think I'll probably be delivering vaccines all over North America.

[–]da_dogg 57 points58 points  (4 children)

Consider yourself Balto

[–]MuyEsleepy 113 points114 points  (2 children)

Part of history my man

[–]FireSilver7 41 points42 points  (1 child)

Thank you for what you do! Y'all (transport) kept our society running and you don't get enough credit. So thank you and good luck!

[–]BuffChesticles 50 points51 points  (6 children)

Yeah, good luck, don't fuck it up, we're all counting on you lol.

[–]S1NN1ST3R 22 points23 points  (3 children)

Haha when some of my trailers are worth over $100M they take everything very seriously. If there's any fuck ups it won't be on my end lol.

[–]DarkStarStorm 123 points124 points  (5 children)

I never thought I could get this excited about a shot.

[–]Slipsonic 52 points53 points  (0 children)

True. 10 year old me would never recognize 37 year old me haha.

[–]Gig4t3ch 600 points601 points  (219 children)

According to the guy in charge of the Operation Warp Speed Program, Moncef Slaoui, all of the vaccine candidates for Operation Warp Speed have around 80% efficacy:

My expectation is really something between 80% and 90% efficacy

There hasn't really been much negative news about vaccines coming from Western countries, so things look pretty good for a summer where most people in the Western world will be vaccinated.

[–]2tidderevoli[S] 176 points177 points  (1 child)

This is really good news. No worrying about super cold freezers etc if a lot of these vaccines work out.

[–][deleted] 368 points369 points  (28 children)

2021 has the easiest job ever to be remembered as an incredible year. All it has to do is not be 2020 and it’ll be looked upon with great favor lol

[–]Joebebs 124 points125 points  (1 child)

I love this competition. Hearing a second company having similar -if not better- results are promising

[–][deleted] 187 points188 points  (14 children)

Give it to me now, I’ll inject it straight into my asshole. I don’t care. I’m sick of this fearful year.

[–]Baptism-Of-Fire 94 points95 points  (6 children)

i will literally butt chug this vaccine if it means I can go get drunk in public and arrested for urinating inside of a public transportation vessel again.

[–]Bobaximus 136 points137 points  (5 children)

The fact that it doesn’t need the same level of refrigeration is very important.

[–]FaceInTheSpace 187 points188 points  (17 children)

Russian announcement tomorrow: our vaccine is 97% effective

[–]Narcil4 35 points36 points  (2 children)

didn't they already say that 2 months ago?

[–]NegativeSpeech 23 points24 points  (1 child)

After the pfizer announcement of 90% (even though technically they said above 90%) they came out and said theirs was 92% https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/covid-vaccine-sputnik-v-russia-coronavirus-b1720944.html

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (5 children)

I’m sure this is disappointing all the fans of end times movies

[–][deleted] 81 points82 points  (9 children)

Wonder if I was part of the placebo group or not. 95% sounds pretty good though.

[–]imapilotaz 80 points81 points  (4 children)

Reach out to the study folks and ask.

At this point manufacturers have saud they will likely bring in the placebo group to get the vaccine due to how positive it has been. Theyve said its a "ethics" issue withholding once the know how good it is.

[–]Razzlesdazzle 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I'm excited to help contribute to this study! My doctor said new data might be available around the 22nd, since most of the participants have gone in for their third blood draw. Next one will be in 5/6? months.

Pfizer data came out earlier because there is 3 weeks in between those shots versus 4 for the Moderna. Each time we went in we also had our blood drawn so they could check out antibody levels and all that other science-y type stuff.

[–]boogi3woogie 126 points127 points  (15 children)

Stonks going up today

[–]TerminusFox 87 points88 points  (33 children)

Got a question for those in virology, epidemiology, etc.

With just how “fast” these vaccines are being made, is this evidence that the time we spent on other vaccines wasn’t warranted and they technically could’ve been made faster if a company wanted to or is this simply a unique situation?

Is there any promising biotechnology coming up that will help us produce vaccines for viruses much quicker in the coming decades?

[–]moonshadow16 157 points158 points  (18 children)

Not really. There's two big reasons this is moving so fast as compared to other vaccines. First, everybody in the government and at these companies knows this is priority zero so everything else has come to a halt when COVID stuff comes along. That kind of urgency just isn't feasible under normal circumstances. Second is that the trials themselves can take a lot less time than usual because of the prevalence of the disease. The way trials work is you have to have a vaccinated group and a control group and you wait for enough people between the two groups to get sick. With less common diseases you might have to wait years or decades for enough people to get sick. With COVID, it's taking months not years to hit those benchmarks. Both of those are shaving a lot off of the standard time of development for vaccines, plus the fact that were just throwing money at the problem like strippers after Valentine's Day doesn't hurt either.

As for promising tech, Moderna's (EDIT: and Pfizer's) is the first RNA vaccine(s), which means that it's able to target the virus more directly. Related to this, I think the ability to sequence geonomes directly is going to lead o a quantum leap in vaccine development because it's going to be easier to go directly to the source.

[–]MixtecaBlue 23 points24 points  (4 children)

Isn’t Pfizers and RNA vaccine as well?

[–]AlchemicalToad 188 points189 points  (2 children)

This is what happens when you stop working on other things, pump a lot of extra money into things, and do multiple phases of things concurrently rather than one by one (which is a huge gamble, because if it ends up not working out then you’ve wasted all that extra effort and money)

[–]defiantcross 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Yes. I.work for a life science company and basically virtually any research not covid related are being put on hold.

[–]G3nesis_Prime 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Also 8? Years of research on a previous incarnations.

[–]aaronhayes26 43 points44 points  (1 child)

As others have said, these vaccines were able to be rushed because there were people willing to take on the financial risk of leapfrogging steps along the critical path, with the understanding that if a previous step failed, all subsequent work would be lost.

This is not an acceptable risk under normal circumstances. But 2020 makes exceptions of us all.

[–]jamesda123 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Hopefully the immunity is long-lived. Moderna's mRNA platform seems to cause a lot of limiting toxicities with repeated dosing.

Moderna’s promise — and the more than $2 billion it raised before going public in 2018 — hinged on creating a fleet of mRNA medicines that could be safely dosed over and over. But behind the scenes the company’s scientists were running into a familiar problem. In animal studies, the ideal dose of their leading mRNA therapy was triggering dangerous immune reactions — the kind for which Karikó had improvised a major workaround under some conditions — but a lower dose had proved too weak to show any benefits.

Moderna had to pivot. If repeated doses of mRNA were too toxic to test in human beings, the company would have to rely on something that takes only one or two injections to show an effect. Gradually, biotech’s self-proclaimed disruptor became a vaccines company, putting its experimental drugs on the back burner and talking up the potential of a field long considered a loss-leader by the drug industry.

[–]chezmanny 98 points99 points  (15 children)

I am in the Moderna trial, and got the injections about 4 months ago.

I am 90% sure I received the vaccine, not the placebo. Side effects were very mild, and I drive Uber. So if I didn't get the real thing, I would have probably caught the virus by now.

[–]cleverwebble 44 points45 points  (4 children)

I’m also in the Moderna trial. I had bad soreness at the injections site, with the booster day worse. I also had about 6 hours of a 102 fever and full body chills the night of the booster shot. COVID test came back negative and study doctor said it was likely immune response to whatever they gave me. They don’t know what they gave me and won’t until an EUA is approved by FDA. To be clear, the doctor said that my side effects were on the bad side of the small small percentage of people even reporting side effects. But even if I knew I would have those side effects, I’d 100% do it again for the level of efficacy

[–]Avarria587 18 points19 points  (0 children)

When will they let you know? I may be starting the AstraZeneca trial soon.

[–]k_ironheart 63 points64 points  (2 children)

The fact that we have not one, but two potential vaccines that are potentially hitting the 90+% efficiency mark is some of the best medical news all year.

That said, though, I'm afraid of what the next few months are going to bring. People are going to see that we have a vaccine coming, and not understand that it's probably a half a year or more away from wide distribution. Meanwhile, we have record deaths and new cases every single day.

The best thing we could do right now is another shutdown with meaningful social safety nets to try to slow the spread of the virus so our medical staff don't get overwhelmed, but our current leadership in the US doesn't give a fuck about anything right now, except for working one last scam on their voters.