u/Kwahn
I'm just not convinced it's deterministic to that extent. You've denied that quantum effects can have an effect on our decisions or our consciousness. But, I haven't been convinced of that either.
Even if they can, even if QM affects neural processes, that still doesn't provide any possible path to libertarian free will.
Guess there's not many places to go from here.
(Oh. But I linked more than 1 article about neuroscience - the debunk linked to dozens of fmri studies.)
I don't understand the question. Would you please clarify what you mean?
Think of any decision you have ever made.
We rewind all of time, including you, to just before you make the decision. Absolutely nothing is different between the first and second time you make this decision.
Will you make the same choice? If not, what changed?
And lastly, I would point out that the fact that a brain makes a decision before we are consciously aware of it does not mean that the brain could not have chosen otherwise,
If you make a decision (any at all works for this), and I time loop that decision, what, if anything, would cause your decision to change?
I absolutely reject the notion that "it could have chosen otherwise", and view that as impossible.
Conscious vs. Unconscious choice is not relevant to that apparent fact.
I'm not sure I agree that a deterministic universe would still not allow free will. But, since you brought up consciousness and seem to be asserting based on your articles that it definitely doesn't rely on QM, here's an article suggesting that it very well might.
I've seen dozens of citations of this flawed study. It's got problems.
The paper contains additional astonishing claims, such as 'Consciousness-related or electrophysiological signals are unknown in NMR' This ignores over three decades of work in functional MRI (fMRI) [26], which has been used in thousands of studies to monitor brain activity (including functional MRI with iMQCs) [7, 27, 28]. However, this claim is needed to justify assigning 'entanglement' to the difference between awake and sleeping brain scans-a difference which, in any event, is also the subject of hundreds of papers on resting state fMRI [29].
The body of work I gave you is much more indicative of no QM processes.
I'm not sure I agree that a deterministic universe would still not allow free will.
I don't see how it could exist in any but a compatibilist sense.
You seem to be unhappy with that answer. Can you tell me why?
I have, in all of my years of research, never been given anything that indicates that living in a non-deterministic universe actually allows the possibility of free will in any capacity. People will say, "Maybe the universe isn't deterministic", but never, ever, have I heard an explanation for how a non-deterministic universe allows for free will when assuming a deterministic universe does not.
You have admitted that the universe is not deterministic but are still asserting that the brain is deterministic. I don't see scientific support for that in your articles.
No QM === deterministic afaik.
My favorite early church debate is the pitched battle about whether or not post rez Yeshua pooped or not.
we have the ability to at least attempt
isn't a ringing endorsement of intelligence. We can attempt any impossible feat. Anything can.