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[–]cameratoo 1442 points1443 points  (177 children)

What up my fellow J&J’ers?

[–]ilazul 1436 points1437 points  (27 children)

just sitting here, quietly clotting.

[–]BlackM249 333 points334 points  (20 children)

Just drink alcohol to thin the blood 😂😭

[–]I_have0imagination 70 points71 points  (12 children)

Sounds like a win win situation

[–]aDrunkWithAgun 62 points63 points  (11 children)

Alcohol kills viruses so if I stay shit faced I shouldn't get it

[–]Cinderjacket 377 points378 points  (10 children)

Let’s get it clotted in here!

[–]Harrison210 58 points59 points  (0 children)

I’m a Zenica man, the OG clotters.

[–]00doc0holliday00 52 points53 points  (1 child)

J&J, ride ‘till we die

[–]xYsoad 99 points100 points  (1 child)

Everybody! Clots clots clots clots clots clots

[–]TheDarkDeciever[S] 13.2k points13.2k points  (1640 children)

All six cases were women between the ages of 18 and 48 within about two weeks of getting the vaccine.

[–]TheTigerbite 379 points380 points  (158 children)

What do you look for in clotting? Does it just swell up? Did they all clot in the same area? My wife got it last Saturday, she's 32, on birth control, pretty prime for this to happen, even though it seems to be very rare. She also has an autoimmune disease (which we usually blame everything that doesn't feel right on) and loads of bad luck, so she would be the one it hits.

[–]git_push_glute 570 points571 points  (128 children)

Patients should seek medical assistance immediately if they have the following symptoms:

  • shortness of breath
  • ⁠chest pain
  • ⁠swelling in your leg
  • ⁠persistent abdominal (belly) pain
  • ⁠neurological symptoms, including severe and persistent headaches or blurred vision
  • tiny blood spots under the skin beyond the site of injection

Edit: I am not a doctor or medical professional in any sense. Please contact your primary care physician if you are having any unusual symptoms after receiving any vaccination.

[–]FalseButterscotch0 64 points65 points  (95 children)

Do you know about lots of blood with blood clots in stool? My moms having this and refuses to see the doctor!

Edit: I probably won’t have time to respond to all of the comments but I really really appreciate them, thank you all so much. I tried to convince her to go when she first told me but I just called her again, and when she calls me back I’m going to try everything to make sure she goes.

She has really bad mental health (like having trouble making it to work kind of thing). I know she’s going to scream at me if I push her, but better that than her dying.

[–]Sector47 390 points391 points  (53 children)

I'm pretty sure blood in stool, vaccine or not, is something to go to the doctor for.

[–]berrypunch2020 119 points120 points  (8 children)

You absolutely need to seek emergent care for blood in your stool. There are many reasons why this could happen and can be be really bad.

[–]FalseButterscotch0 29 points30 points  (2 children)

Fuck. I can’t respond to all of these but thank you all so much. I’ve tried to convince her but I’m going to call her right away and put tons of pressure on.

She has really bad mental health (like having trouble making it to work kind of thing) and I know she’s going to scream at me if I push her, but better that than her dying.

[–]Mikelan 60 points61 points  (5 children)

If you have blood in your stool you should make an appointment with your doctor ASAP. Under no circumstances is it something you should ignore.

[–]old-father 62 points63 points  (3 children)

For cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (the type of clotting observed with the JnJ vaccine), the risks factors normally leading to a clot are:

Pregnancy and the first few weeks after delivery Problems with blood clotting; for example, antiphospholipid syndrome, protein C and S deficiency, antithrombin III deficiency, lupus anticoagulant, or factor V Leiden mutation Cancer Collagen vascular diseases like lupus, Wegener’s granulomatosis, and Behcet syndrome Obesity Low blood pressure in the brain (intracranial hypotension) Inflammatory bowel disease like Crohn’s disease or ulcerative colitis

These are the physical symptoms that may occur:

Headache Blurred vision Fainting or loss of consciousness Loss of control over movement in part of the body Seizures Coma

(Source: JohnsHopkinsmedicine.org)

EDIT: corrected typos in source website address

[–]Spend-Automatic 1483 points1484 points  (428 children)

6 cases out of over 6 million doses administered. Is that even statistically significant?

[–]RobToastie 900 points901 points  (72 children)

I'm assuming the answer to this is "probably not, but they want to make sure", but I'm not an expert here.

[–]Ergheis 711 points712 points  (60 children)

As someone with health anxiety, gods do I wish scientific media had better PR. "Government chooses not to support medicine because of 0.0001% chance of trouble" gets turned into "SIGNIFICANT CHANCE" and that doesn't sound like anything but danger.

[–]NamelessSuperUser 310 points311 points  (26 children)

Yeah I mean that's basically what happened in Ireland with the EU vaccine. They paused, checked it, and found it wasn't statistically significant enough to warrant pausing vaccines. It just feeds into anti vax stuff when they aren't clear this is simply a precaution.

[–]lt08820 384 points385 points  (38 children)

In the case of 6 out of 6 million probably not. However FDA is taking a precautionary approach to find out more information such as demographics on who got the vaccine to make a new decision.

HYPOTHETICAL:If it comes to light that 5000 vaccine recipients fall into that 18-48 female range that changes the percentage from 0.0001% to 0.12% which is significant enough for FDA to put limitations on who can receive the vaccine given there are alternatives for those at risk.

[–]Ninotchk 85 points86 points  (3 children)

Also, it's essentially a call for case reports. They are gathering information to see how rare it is.

[–]StarGateGeek 400 points401 points  (49 children)

I think (at least in the case of the astra zenica clots) they are seeing an unusual presentation of blood clots, different from what you'd expect if it were just the normal risk factors (birth control, age, gender, etc).

Edit: but that is not to say that the vaccines' benefits aren't still massively outweighing the risks, right now.

[–]captaingazzz 218 points219 points  (15 children)

With the AstraZeneca vaccine, they saw blood clots together with reduced platelets, which is a very rare condition.

[–]Pytheastic 50 points51 points  (13 children)

How does that work? I thought platelets are crucial to clotting?

[–]Vassukhanni 66 points67 points  (1 child)

That's why its odd. It's not just blood clots, which are pretty common, but a very strange presentation which is not at all common.

[–]Ebola_Fingers 65 points66 points  (2 children)

Blood clotting is a VERY complex and regulated process in the body. In this case when the clotting cascade is triggered through an external mechanism it results in platelet activation and the formation of platelet microparticles, which initiate the formation of blood clots; the platelet count falls as a result, leading to thrombocytopenia.

TLDR. Platelets get activated, begin sticking together, lowering levels of available platelets. But it's more complicated thant that.

[–]StarGateGeek 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the insight on clotting, Ebola_Fingers.

[–]dobbysreward 120 points121 points  (43 children)

The AZN vaccine, which uses the same administration mechanism and was observed to have issues with clotting, was updated from 1 in a million to 1 in 100k after more data was reviewed.

Some countries have now guided that younger people should get a different vaccine, like the UK restricts people under 30 from getting the AZN shot.

Deeks said the updated recommendations come amid new data from Europe that suggests the risk of blood clots is now potentially as high as one in 100,000, much higher than the one-in-a-million risk believed before reuters

[–]tooclosetocall82 102 points103 points  (44 children)

It is to my mother who won't get the vaccine and sees this as further evidence that she's right to be skeptical.

[–]NoNotAZombie 2033 points2034 points  (73 children)

...the particular blood clotting disorder that the vaccine recipients developed, known as cerebral venous sinus thrombosis, is extremely rare.

My wife got J&J on Friday so of course I wanted to know the symptoms so I can have a full report ready for her when she wakes up:

-Headache

-Blurred vision

-Fainting or loss of consciousness

-Loss of control over movement in part of the body

-Seizures

-Coma

Johns Hopkins Source

Hope this saves someone some googling.

[–]gizmo78 3797 points3798 points  (157 children)

Pfizer hasn’t been this erect since they discovered Viagra

[–]somabokforlag 420 points421 points  (99 children)

pfizers stock doesnt seem to benefit much from their success with the vaccine.. theyre about the same level they were when the pandemic started, how come?

[–]okiewxchaser 606 points607 points  (37 children)

They are basically providing the vaccine "at cost" right now. The real prize for them is the mRNA technology which they will leverage into new treatments down the road

[–]MjrK 53 points54 points  (8 children)

Isn't that tech owned by BioNtech the developer?

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (5 children)

They will probably reach another agreement so that Pfizer can produce them. It’s a relatively common situation.

[–]wallawalla_ 99 points100 points  (17 children)

They're a large company with over 40bil annual revenue. Much larger than Moderna (.8bil) or Astro Zenica (25bil). Pfizers revenues haven't increased much even yoy with the vaccine.

[–]teddypain 102 points103 points  (12 children)

They did it for the clout.

[–]loosehead1 151 points152 points  (8 children)

They did it because mRNA has a ton of other applications and the potential has been well known but it's been stuck in a regulatory quagmire. This was the perfect opportunity for them to feel out the logistics of getting mRNA drugs approved.

[–]tralpaz1 443 points444 points  (32 children)

My moderna stock boutta go to the moon

[–]OwlThief32 1401 points1402 points  (124 children)

Reading this less than 12 hours after receiving one lmao

[–]DetectiveClownMD 811 points812 points  (19 children)

Same. Plus im an idiot so my brain is like “So those are the symptoms huh? Be a shame if I made you feel that way for no reason.”

[–]Captain_Bromine 313 points314 points  (4 children)

Yup I hate my brain, “oh you’re a bit anxious right now? Let me give you chest pain and shortness of breath that’ll help, don’t worry it’s totally not a heart attack”.

[–]spamster545 55 points56 points  (1 child)

Right? Everything bad has the symptoms of an anxiety attack.

[–]AdamAptor 39 points40 points  (0 children)

This makes me feel not so alone

[–]bNoaht 24 points25 points  (6 children)

0.00001% chance to form blood clots. You are good. Like odds more likely someone breaks into your house and murders you while you sleep tonight.

[–]kd4444 31 points32 points  (3 children)

oh thanks, that makes me feel better

[–]huskersax 447 points448 points  (22 children)

I opened this thread while sitting in the post-shot 15 minute wait room... :|

[–][deleted] 85 points86 points  (0 children)

Perfect expression

[–]Uhtred-Ragnarson 43 points44 points  (4 children)

It’s been 2 days for me. Still though, not the best thing to read with someone with anxiety. As if I don’t already pay too much attention to feelings in my body. I know the chance is very very low but it’ll still be in the back of my head for the next two weeks.

[–]Savywarren 1428 points1429 points  (235 children)

So what do we do if we were scheduled to get the J&J shot this week?

EDIT: My appointment has been canceled on me and the 4 pharmacies I called have all appointments on hold. I just want someone to give me a shot. Any shot.

[–]fatcIemenza 1524 points1525 points  (98 children)

Friend of mine just arrived at his J&J appointment. He got an email minutes ago that they would be using Moderna instead.

[–]MoonSurferLN 535 points536 points  (79 children)

I also experienced that! Appointment this morning and I’ve been switched to Pfizer

[–][deleted] 259 points260 points  (74 children)

Pfizer recipient here - First dose: Arm soreness 2/10 pain | Second dose: No arm pain | Fatigue for a day

Today I’m fine. I was hydrated and didn’t drink alcohol a week before leading up to both doses

[–]OneRandomCatFact 124 points125 points  (37 children)

Got the J&J: chills on chills. Pfizer seems way more chill haha but I’m just happy to be vaccinated!

[–]BeezyBates 34 points35 points  (11 children)

J&J put me on my ass hard the day after. The fatigue and body aches were super intense.

[–]Terrible_Toastr 51 points52 points  (2 children)

Me too. JJ tore me up for a day after. That was a week ago though.

[–]FinallyDoneLurking11 99 points100 points  (5 children)

I was scheduled this morning. Got a call on the way in letting me know about the pause. That location was only doing JNJ, so they just cancelled my appointment.

[–]Savywarren 122 points123 points  (4 children)

Thats encouraging news.

[–]Has_Shrimp_Dick 83 points84 points  (5 children)

I had an appointment this morning. They called and cancelled my appointment citing the FDA and CDC recommended halting the vaccine.

[–]sleepybitchdisorder 31 points32 points  (3 children)

Same. I’ve been nervous to share the news that I had a vaccine appointment all week, it felt too good to be true and I had to convince myself that something wasn’t going to rip this away from me like so many good things in my life. Well...

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (1 child)

They cancelled my appointment for today

[–]Stompanee 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Ours was outright cancelled.

[–]Shady319 2551 points2552 points  (209 children)

I should probably stay off Facebook for awhile.

Edit: Believe me guys, I would stay off of it forever if I could. I run a few businesses and advertise through Facebook ads and on marketplace so I kind of need it. I don’t do much lurking, though.

[–]Swa9Dra9on 76 points77 points  (0 children)

Imagine putting something like this behind a paywall.

[–]dr_ransom 4236 points4237 points  (208 children)

This shows just how cautious medicine is and how open they are about (even tiny) risks. Patients should be fully informed about any risks to achieve proper consent.

BUT...I can’t help to think that more people will die by issuing this cautious pause and scaring people away from being vaccinated.

Public health officials have a difficult job balancing the rights and emotions of an individual vs. the overall health of the population.

[–]brothernephew 925 points926 points  (56 children)

Extremely difficult job. Clinics, popups everywhere in the US are opening for the day right now. They either wanted to stop the vaccine in time for that or they really mismanaged this.

All I know is nurses are probably about to have a really, really shitty day

[–]GonzaloR87 1045 points1046 points  (51 children)

I work with homeless patients and the J&J vaccine is key in getting this population vaccinated as it doesn’t require us finding them for their second dose. We have been messaging that the vaccines are safe to a very vaccine hesitant population. This is awful news as it may really hamper our efforts vaccinating this high risk population.

[–]brothernephew 144 points145 points  (17 children)

I’m so sorry your Tuesday is starting this way! We have enough trouble, I cannot fathom what today is going to be like at the clinics who have the J&J - and the patients who have been waiting to get it

[–]MoonSurferLN 82 points83 points  (16 children)

I have my JnJ vaccine scheduled for this morning. Got an email that I’m getting Pfizer instead.

[–]tex13777 250 points251 points  (31 children)

The thing is the vaccines are still not FDA approved so any new potentially adverse side effect needs to be researched. The emergency use was given because yeah they’re mostly safe but when issues pop up they need to be able to pause and conduct research to determine if there is a correlation. Yeah the sample size is really low which is great but no one wants to risk making anyone sicker.

[–]N-Your-Endo 17 points18 points  (0 children)

BUT...I can’t help to think that more people will die by issuing this cautious pause and scaring people away from being vaccinated.

This approach leads to people to not speak up when something goes wrong after they get a vaccine. Everyone should be very open honest and transparent if they are having a problem with a vaccine shot. This was a very quickly produced and tested vaccine that everyone is being strongly suggested to get. IF something goes wrong everyone deserves to know about it

[–]AsparagusWeaver 68 points69 points  (11 children)

I'm on day 24 after getting the J&J shot. Most noticable side effect has been lip swelling. I do not have lip or dental fillers. It happened on days 1 & 2 and again today. It's uncomfortable, but not painful. Age 39, female. It's unfortunate because I have to record my final presentation for a college class today. Gonna look like I got bad botox.

[–]PM_ME_HOT__TAKES 280 points281 points  (43 children)

I really hope they find these are anomalies and they don't derail the recovery we've been experiencing. Two vaccines now paused affecting the US and EU - the optics aren't great.

[–]mart1373 145 points146 points  (29 children)

Yeah, ngl Pfizer and Moderna just got huge PR bumps from J&J and AstraZeneca’s mishaps despite both being sufficient vaccines.

[–]Parano_Oid 189 points190 points  (29 children)

I think I had or may still be dealing with a clot from my JJ vaccine. I'm a 27F on birth control pills. I was in the ER for chest pains on Friday and had visual disturbances soon after taking my birth control on Saturday and went to the ER again. On Friday, my Ddimer levels were 767 out of a 0-241 scale, which can be indicative of a clot, so they did a CT scan on my torso since I was having chest pains then. It was clean so they sent me home. They didn't check my Ddimer levels on Saturday and diagnosed me with an ocular migrane, treated it pretty successfully and sent me home. I still have the ocular migrane symptoms if I move around or do too much. I'm going to stop taking my birth control for now and am currently waiting to hear back from my doctor after requesting referrals for a head CT scan and another Ddimer test. I read that they women were getting CVST clots, which are a type of stroke. Lmk if anyone cares and I can follow up with an update. --- I also want to say that the 6/6 million is a lot smaller if you isolate it to the 6/women 18-48. That's a very different number and I'm happy they paused the vaccine.

UPDATE I: I spoke with my GP and she's ordering more blood tests and another Ddimer test so I will be going to the lab for that today. She also ordered a CT scan, but said that it probably won't be till later this week since the only way to get one immediately would be to go to ER. Based on my symptoms and with how small the risk is, she does not think I had a blood clot. I also had one of the most stressful weeks of my life prior to all this happening, so that probably had a huge role in this and I apologize for not putting that in my original post. But she did advise me to stop taking my birth control so if you're worried and you are on the pill, it probably wouldn't hurt to just stop taking it until you are out of the 2 week period (use back up protection!). She also advised me that I don't need to take any aspirin, but I have taken it upon myself to consume some blood thinning things like ginger, turmeric, cinnamon, sunflower seeds, and pineapple. I'll continue to update as I learn things. Thank you everyone for your support and concern. I wish you and your loved ones happiness and health. Just watch patiently for any symptoms and do your best not to stress about it. Things like this happen, these are unprecedented times. Stay safe.

UPDATE II: Saw my doctor today and we went over my blood test results. Ddimer levels have come back down to normal and my platelet levels are back up to normal levels. My ocular migraine symptoms are almost 100% gone, I can only see a little bit of spotting every once in a while. My doctor believes that I may have had a clot that resolve itself without cutting off any blood flow. So for now, it seems that I made it through. I am finally feeling normal again after everything, it's amazing how much trauma can effect you.. I want to thank everyone on here for their concern and kind words. I also want to say a special thank you to those who noted the risks of being on birth control while also experiencing things like ocular migraines potentially increasing the chances of blood clots even more. As of right now I am still not taking my birth control and to be honest, I am really thinking about never getting back on it. I feel that I am through the rough time when having an accidental pregnancy would be too much to handle. While I don't know that I ever want to actually have kids naturally, using condoms until either me or my partner can get "fixed" sounds a hell of a lot better than putting myself at risk of something so serious. I hope you are all still doing well and not stressing out too much about all this. Just pay attention to your bodies and reach out for help if something seems off. Take care and stay safe <3

[–]placebo398 25 points26 points  (6 children)

I would def be interested in your follow-up. My fiance is 25F and she got the JJ vaccine last Thursday. She and minor fever and symptoms but last night had a very bad headache that lasted hours. No blurred vision but we did end up going to an urgent care clinic and they gave her some meds and an IV. She was severely dehydrated and the headache is gone now but I am worried. I'm not sure what to do.

[–]goulson 3281 points3282 points  (909 children)

Well fuck, thats the one I got

[–][deleted] 1651 points1652 points  (121 children)

This is the kind of thing where you're more likely to die in a car accident on the way to the appointment then develop and die from a clot

[–]SleepsOnDecks 78 points79 points  (4 children)

Damn, dying twice must suck.

[–]dobbysreward 308 points309 points  (6 children)

The AZN vaccine was initially believed to be a 1 in a million chance of developing blood clots to and then with more data was updated to 1 in 100k reuters Several governments have now released guidance saying younger people should get a different vaccine, like the UK recommends people under 30 not get the AZN shot.

Deeks said the updated recommendations come amid new data from Europe that suggests the risk of blood clots is now potentially as high as one in 100,000, much higher than the one-in-a-million risk believed before.

If you're at high risk of blood clots your odds of complications and death are obviously higher. So it's responsible for governments to pause and review complications like this and give people with various health problems proper guidance.

[–]Encker 1295 points1296 points  (211 children)

So many comments here of people talking about how low of a chance it is to get this. You can both support the vaccines and be concerned about efficacy. They are not mutually exclusive...

Vaccines are highly scrutinized because it is some of the only medicine given to healthy people. There better be near absolute zero risk for it to gain acceptance.

If it ends up getting pulled totally, that is OK. Your fight you had with your uncle over Easter still had valid points and you weren't wrong about getting a vaccine. We have 2 other very good vaccines and this gives even more support to the revolutionary breakthrough that is mRNA vaccines. If you haven't seen yet they are having success with its use in HIV and are looking at cancer now too.

If it matters: I have a PhD in biomedical engineer (focus on immunology).

[–]AustinThompson 169 points170 points  (25 children)

I was scheduled to get the j&j vaccine Wednesday from walmart. I canceled and rescheduled with a place that gives the pfizer vaccine. I assumed that Walmart or other companies may temporarily halt administering the vaccine before then so I wanted to be sure. Luckily my pfizer vaccine is today

[–]slogun1 159 points160 points  (7 children)

I got the last one at walmart this morning. Vax guy says “they just told us to pause this but you’ve already got your arm out so you can have it if you want it”

This was 805am est.

[–]lostnfoundaround 61 points62 points  (0 children)

That was nice of him to give you the option like that.

[–]21Rollie 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Man if they need any brave volunteers for the rest of their supply, I’m available.

[–]LazyCaffeineFiend 119 points120 points  (37 children)

I got my J&J shot last Wednesday and I’m a 29 year old woman who has an IUD. Excellent.

[–]catv20 117 points118 points  (10 children)

IUDs are the recommended birth control method for patients who have blood clotting problems. The chances of getting a clot on them are pretty slim. Unlike other birth control methods

[–]Business717 29 points30 points  (2 children)

The reported numbers of issues are very, very low so keep that in mind to prevent giving yourself anxiety about it - very likely you will be fine! Just ensure you are monitoring yourself and being aware of how you feel.

Stay safe!

[–]NP59 34 points35 points  (8 children)

Got my JnJ on Friday. I had debated waiting to get Pfizer but everything I read said the best vaccine to get is the one offered to you, so went ahead with JnJ. Little frustrated, but I understand the risk is so low. Just a little venting.

[–]lamya8 122 points123 points  (12 children)

Positively reinforce the fact that they had followed the proper safety measures when met with findings of adverse outcomes. Part of why anti vaccine people are anti vaxx is because they do not have trust in the system. This here shows that the system is working and big pharma or government whatever floats your conspiracy theorist isn’t in some sort of plot to do us all harm.

Part of the risk with covid itself is in causing clotting disorders so it is good that they are being cautious and maybe even with this get better understanding in who is at risk for those clotting issues.

[–]Wookasaurus_Rex 57 points58 points  (14 children)

So random event that happened to me, I received the J&J about 10 days ago. Yesterday I went to the ER for extreme chest pain. EKG was all good, and they couldn’t find anything else. Could this be related?