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[–]BullsAintBlack 1273 points1274 points  (28 children)

Feels like the new weapon banner carried this patch lol

[–]Chuck006 545 points546 points  (25 children)

And people looking for a Jean/Mona/Diluc that don't have one.

[–]otakudan88 199 points200 points  (6 children)

Hi! I'm people who was able to finally get Jean.

[–]Chuck006 52 points53 points  (3 children)

I didn't have enough to go all the way, otherwise I would have done the same. Have all the standard 5*s but Mona and Jean.

[–]otakudan88 26 points27 points  (2 children)

If I could give you one of the 4 Mona that I have lost 50/50 to, I would totally do so.

[–]makogami 15 points16 points  (1 child)

move aside, mom said it's my turn to donate my C4 Mona

[–]-DragonFiire- 2 points3 points  (0 children)

All of you steo aside, I have C8 mona to donate 😮‍💨

[–]Arc_7 Rays of sunshine 4 points5 points  (0 children)

same

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    [–]icecityx1221 30 points31 points  (2 children)

    I lost my Klee 50/50 to Jean then won it 20 pulls later. Honestly the best outcome from the new banner IMO

    [–]Chuck006 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    I love my Klee! Enjoy!

    [–]icecityx1221 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I've been loving my bomb making child so much with burgeon team.

    [–]cartercrSleepy tanuki in the shogun castle 16 points17 points  (5 children)

    Hunter’s Path squad!

    I also am currently pulling for Klee with every pull I can scrape together, but I won’t be spending for her like I did for Hunter’s Path.

    [–]Chuck006 5 points6 points  (4 children)

    I hope you can get her. I love my Klee. So much fun in Burgeon just blowing up everything.

    [–]EntertainmentMost258 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    i got my Eula 🥰

    [–]WarShadower913xText flair 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I FINALLY got my Mona

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      [–]SouthernBeacon 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      I was trying to get Albedo, but lost the 50/50 to Eula. I had enough wishes to keep trying until I got him too. Overall, I think it was a good patch for me (I tried to get Chiori too, but lost 50/50 to Keqing)

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        [–]Reaver027Ayaka 711 points712 points  (74 children)

        12 days of Xiao and Yae Miko plus 19 days of Chiori, Itto and Chronicled.

        Not the best possible combination. A drop was pretty much guaranteed when you pair these banners with little content during that times as well. The Vale and Lantern Right was in the first half of the last patch.

        Dropped a bit more than i expected but with HSR getting their Raiden and a top up reset it makes sense for people to spend their money there.

        Expecting April to be much better than this. Reruns of Neuvilette and Kazuha with the addition of the first week of Arlecchino.

        [–]Original_Ad9933 342 points343 points  (61 children)

        Honestly i think (and thats also in the interest of Hoyo) that starrail takes over in the dry phase of Genshin and Genshin then takes over when Starrail is in the dry phase.

        So they have one of their games always on top. What makes this crazy is Hoyo is able to have both games on top or at least top 3 all the time even through dry phases where u see a massive downfall at other games.

        [–]makogami 147 points148 points  (0 children)

        why else do you think they released star rail around this time of the year lol. it's historically been the most dead time of the year for genshin lol

        [–]Reaver027Ayaka 91 points92 points  (4 children)

        And once ZZZ is out things will get even more in Hoyo's favor

        [–]tirius99 20 points21 points  (3 children)

        I think ZZZ will definitely do well but it will have more competition with Wuthering Wave coming out

        [–]battleye9 26 points27 points  (2 children)

        My guy they’re two different types of games

        [–]tirius99 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        True but two harder combat gacha games coming out closer together will certainly affect it. Still no announcement for release date for ZZZ yet but hopefully it would be later so they can polish it

        [–]Fun-Mix-9276 78 points79 points  (52 children)

        Tbf genshin gets so much content regularly and this was the first patch in a really long time with no new area to explore. Being that most players are casual genshins dry patches are more like catch up patches

        [–]PeachesEndCream 14 points15 points  (0 children)

        Definitely. I'm on my summer vacation and I've been playing tons of Genshin lately.

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            [–]ZhangRenWing At your service my Queen 71 points72 points  (7 children)

            I’m still salty over Chiori, they really gave her fancy animations and two handed swords only to make her a “be on screen for 2 seconds then swap off” character. Also that C1 is pure evil.

            [–]Fun-Mix-9276 75 points76 points  (4 children)

            75% of characters are 2 seconds and swap off characters. Maybe not exactly but I imagine it’s around that if not more

            [–]makogami 39 points40 points  (1 child)

            it makes sense given 75% of your team will spend most of the time off field

            [–]Fun-Mix-9276 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Exactly. Just the way it is sadly. But with the right supports you can really make anyone the on fielder now

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              [–]tsukineko19 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Just get her to C6, problem solved. 😂

              [–]Harsh_2004SIMP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              off-field characters have better NA animation bcs they are swaped.

              [–]the7egend 37 points38 points  (1 child)

              I’ll be curious to see the month after Arlechinno has had her time to shine. I imagine her banner will go pretty hard.

              [–]NDT06 15 points16 points  (0 children)

              Yeah theres nothing much to do in 4.5,only kazuha and neu banner is interesting in this patch

              [–]Doublee7300 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              April is gonna pop off

              [–]Gamer_X99 Furina is just Blue Tao 363 points364 points  (21 children)

              every time i see these i always like to look at how far down tower of fantasy is

              [–]Ademoneye 219 points220 points  (18 children)

              Genshin killer!!

              [–]satufa2 74 points75 points  (10 children)

              I wonder how wuwa will do. I gave up on tof after like 2 videos but i'm actually intrested in this one. It would be a shame if i got into it just for it to keel over in 2 months.

              [–]CheatyTheCheaterJack of four teams, master of none 61 points62 points  (5 children)

              Curious about WuWa as well. ToF had basically nothing going for it except for, well, the "Genshin killer" slogan. In WuWa's case though, CBT2 showed shockingly good results, as even the CCs hyping the game up instead of giving valid criticism couldn't stop the beta from giving actually useful info to the devs (e.g. the artifact system being more annoying than Genshin's). According to the devs, they did indeed hear the cries of the beta testers and are changing everything to be much less grindy. If KuroGames keeps it up, we might have an actually competent game on our hands.

              [–]NadieTheAviatrix Panzerkampfwagen 'Noelle' mit 15 cm KwK 9 points10 points  (0 children)

              And how does this affects LePaimon James' legacy: We can say that WuWa is a potent 'draft prospect' that can match 'star-level players (Genshin, LD, HSR)' on the mobile gacha industry. Given the reception of their tests, er, we could say that a little improvement is good for them to compete with Hoyo and Love and Deepspace.

              [–]satufa2 24 points25 points  (2 children)

              The "keeping it up" part is the scarry one tho... they are still hiering after firing those 100 interns... they also went like 2 whole years over the expected release.

              [–]CheatyTheCheaterJack of four teams, master of none 16 points17 points  (0 children)

              Well, the one good thing we have is Punishing: Grey Raven, the company's previous game. Despite being in a much more competitive market of gacha games, it makes thrice the amount ToF does, so clearly they know how to keep their game afloat. Naturally, it's not an open-world gacha game, but it is a gacha game, so we have that much covered.

              Hopefully them being able to manage one game shows they can support two.

              [–]army128 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              they also went like 2 whole years over the expected release

              The devs did not foreseen that an open-world ARPG would be tough to make than expected. And they went through two closed betas to gather player feedback and fix up the bugs and flaws.

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                [–]tirius99 24 points25 points  (0 children)

                WuWa will do well with the built in PGR player base and new hardcore combat but it's like comparing Breath of the Wilds with Devil May Cry. Hardcore combat does not retain Casuals as well.

                [–]rabbitbunnies 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                i was excited for it when they released visuals like 2 years ago but it’s leaning way more into combat than story/scenery/world building and it’s also telling that they literally had to rewrite the entire story bc it was so bad. like that’s not a telling factor in making a good game but i fear what i love abt hoyoverse is it’s extensive worldbuilding and dedication to story writing so i fear it might not be in my path anymore for the future…

                edit: however the arknights open world that’s in the works might b crazy

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                  [–]gamin9eek 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                  At this point genshin is too big to be killed, but there may be a drop in players, especially the veterans who might switch to other upcoming games.

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                      [–]EdgeEdger 623 points624 points  (84 children)

                      What filler patch and Neuvilette/Kazuha on 2nd phase do to a mf. Nah but congratulate to Hoyo tho according to this they completely dominate the Gacha market. It's just I'll have to deal with "Genshin ..... ....." comments again 😭

                      [–]Long-Independence-20 255 points256 points  (1 child)

                      hoyoverse making heaps of moneys, no matter how dead or alive their game is

                      [–]Artistic_Prior_7178 150 points151 points  (61 children)

                      Fortunately, from what it seems, there aren't any. I was in the HSR sub when they made a post about it, and well, not a single GCN. It seems as if both parties understood how stupid this damn bit is. Heck, there were almost no GCN posts, even when their anniversary arrived.

                      [–]kaisertnight 167 points168 points  (4 children)

                      It's because their mods added a new rule and started removing direct reward comparisons (or something to that extent) to Genshin and other games right before HSR's anniversary announcement.

                      I have to imagine that culled most of it.

                      [–]Helpful_Dish8122 71 points72 points  (0 children)

                      Thank God...so many ridiculous comments even trying to blame their toxic players on Genshin

                      [–]HeavenBeach777 nice 25 points26 points  (2 children)

                      finally that community can start to develop their own personality instead of just saying "Genshin could never" like their life depends on it lol

                      [–]Harsh_2004SIMP 23 points24 points  (1 child)

                      Well, WuWa sub is filled with that mindset, and will increse when game will release

                      [–]HeavenBeach777 nice 15 points16 points  (0 children)

                      yea that community is fucked already. At least the genshin and HSR sub got better now that those people moved on to the "next big thing"

                      [–]EdgeEdger 106 points107 points  (13 children)

                      It's a good thing actually. It died down a bit after the free Ratio and immediately surge back up right after Star rail 2.1 livestream featuring anniversary. Idk about this sub but the HSR sub mods even have to explicitly state they will remove posts comparing HSR rewards with 'other games' (It's on their Rule 4)

                      [–]Any_Worldliness7991 79 points80 points  (0 children)

                      Honestly it was shocking how fast it died when the mods started to give a fuck.. you’ll probably see it in twitter but the reddit side is pretty chill now..

                      [–]-Hounth- #1 Collei Main 73 points74 points  (7 children)

                      It's really just the youtube comments. Full of brainrot lmao

                      [–]Spycei 32 points33 points  (2 children)

                      I went into the HSR livestream waiting room at a completely random time of day because it was in my recommended, and the chat was just constant fighting and comparing the games. I have to assume that the chat is like that constantly, which seems completely miserable.

                      [–]PieTheSecond 18 points19 points  (2 children)

                      I swear to god. The difference between YouTube and Reddit comments is insane.

                      [–]Artistic_Prior_7178 35 points36 points  (1 child)

                      It is incredible what unsubbing from a certain someone does for to one's mental health.

                      [–]PieTheSecond 14 points15 points  (0 children)

                      I was never subscribed to him in the first place lol. Just found all the Gcn interesting and kept reading bullshit but I've already blocked the channel

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                        [–]luciluci5562 65 points66 points  (1 child)

                        The anniversary-related GCN died once people realized that the anniversary only gave 20 pulls instead of 30, which is the exact same as Genshin. The extra 10 pulls were Gift of Odyssey (announced every patch) pulls reskinned as anniversary pulls.

                        Now some of them are coping with "at least we didn't review bomb Google Classroom" (oh geez I wonder why they didn't repeat the same mistake again?)

                        [–]Ivanwillfire 39 points40 points  (0 children)

                        This is actually what happened. People realized they gave HSR equivalent to Genshin's some said "at least it was better Genshin's first year" which is extremely silly because why would they want to make the same mistake?

                        [–]SillyTea5481 19 points20 points  (1 child)

                        Good.  I play both games and am just tired of that stuff and the incredibly forced HSR vs. Genshin discourse. I'm sure people in Hoyos American server PR department got tired of it too now.   It just adds absolutely nothing constructive or useful to either games communities and will probably just turn people off them so it kind of had to go

                        [–]FlameDragoon933 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                        Same here, I play both games and hates the elitism. It's also really stupid. So you leave Genshin and play HSR, and? Your money (if you're spending) still goes to Hoyo either way lol.

                        [–]Spartitan Liyue Qixing 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                        The more important thing is just how insane Hoyo's presence is on these. They are absolutely dominating the market right now.

                        [–]Artistic_Prior_7178 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                        Yep. And it seems that both Genshin and HSR are winning in this. They are literally taking turns each month in who will be the most successful gacha game. Like hoyo legit made competition for itself, for now at least, we will se how wuthering waves will fare.

                        [–]PieTheSecond 11 points12 points  (6 children)

                        But youtube though,is still filled with what seems to be a bunch of brats still blabbering about how their game is better than your game. It's like everywhere. I wasn't even in any channel that encourages GCN

                        [–]RevolutionaryFall102 11 points12 points  (2 children)

                        Bro the top comment of aether gazer's anniversary video on YouTube was genshin could never. It was so fucking random that I couldn't stop laughing

                        [–]Re_Lies 11 points12 points  (1 child)

                        Its youtube though. Always full of brainrot comments. I'm certain most that said GCN in youtube play neither HSR nor Genshin. They just wanted to hate on genshin for no reason

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                          [–]FlameDragoon933 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                          I'm one of the people who hates the GCN bullshit, and overall I also like Genshin's game better, but one thing that I need to admit, HSR does their anniversary better. NOT about the rewards, mind you (I hate the rewards discourse). But just more about the celebration and vibes. Though I guess Genshin wants everything to be diegetic that's why the only in-game event with real life parallel is Lantern Rite (for understandable reason, the Chinese will rip them apart if there's no Chinese New Year celebration).

                          [–]Batagor_Pleco 7 points8 points  (17 children)

                          what's GCN?

                          [–]battleye9 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                          Dude, have you seen what their posts and comments have been in a whole year?

                          [–]Artistic_Prior_7178 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                          I have, unfortunately. But considering there is no semblance of actual thought process behind them, I have long since then decided to stop giving them attention.

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                            [–]Cosmic_Ren 56 points57 points  (13 children)

                            If it happens again next patch then you'll definitely see those comments, I'd like to think no one is disingenuous enough to say "Genshin could never" this patch when:

                            1. Genshin is in a dead patch rn.

                            2. Top up bonuses reset in HSR.

                            3. Sparkle and Acheron who are meta defining units released.

                            4. Acheron is a Raiden expy who's among the top most sold character in Genshin + HI3.

                            [–]mr_beanoz:yo: :ho: :ho: 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                            i wonder who's the closest we have to sparkle in genshin

                            [–]Seraphine_KDA 18 points19 points  (0 children)

                            Hutao

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                              [–]BugMaleficent1053Text flair 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                              insert “genshin fell off or hsr is better” bait

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                                [–]_through_away 97 points98 points  (11 children)

                                Lol the spike in HSR feels like it has something to do with Acheron. If there is a constant in Hoyo games is how well Raiden expy banners do

                                [–]Facinatedhomie 47 points48 points  (3 children)

                                Fr plus she’s arguably one of the most insane units in game with how badass that ult is + that technique is hella addictive

                                [–]Equivalent_Invite_16 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                                Most of Sparkle banner was in march too. The best or second best support in the game, and the most anticipated DPS unit that scales insanly with investment (S1 is insane, E2 is insane E6 is insane) + top up reset was all contributing hard here.

                                [–]miminming 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                                Top up reset also, the plan the time prefrctly

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                                  [–]Ok_Judge718 88 points89 points  (6 children)

                                  Congrats to genshin for being in the top five even in its "flop era" only being beaten by a different game from the exact same company

                                  [–]PeachesEndCream 15 points16 points  (3 children)

                                  HYV releasing a new game during Genshin's dry patch was a smart move. Funneling the existing playerbase into your shiny new game.

                                  [–]Express_Alfalfa_9725 17 points18 points  (0 children)

                                  Just wait until next banner. Kazuha and Nevu at the same time

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                                    [–]BeneficialMaybe3719 267 points268 points  (19 children)

                                    The male harem gatcha being third place is so funny, women/gay men are an untapped market in games

                                    [–]slimefestival 88 points89 points  (6 children)

                                    And that game only has 3 male leads too. There's so much potential in that market

                                    [–]BeneficialMaybe3719 31 points32 points  (3 children)

                                    Only 3? I thought it had more guys haha man people are going to be so loyal to their main guy

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                                      [–]TheSlothTrainer 84 points85 points  (0 children)

                                      I think lots of people still heavily underestimate how many women play video games, especially on phones. If i remember right Genshin has roughly a 55/45 male/female player split which took a lot of people by surprise. I'd be shocked if we don't see more games specifically targeted towards women in the near future, or at least more existing games changing to cater more towards women.

                                      [–]FlameDragoon933 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                                      Wonder what made that one so successful while Tears of Themis only has mild success. It's like the only post-HI3 hoyo game that doesn't create a huge splash culturally/financially.

                                      [–]Ackkkermanzz 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                      boring, uninteractive and a not so engaging gameplay compared to the former aside from the story cards you get in gacha. When in Love in deepspace it has rpg gameplay aspects aside from the romance stuff

                                      [–]BeneficialMaybe3719 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                      I looked that one, the guys look blander than bland, if they did one with the genshin cash they would become a super power

                                      [–]Meropides-Bakery 37 points38 points  (3 children)

                                      Yeah, love and deepspace quickly ran off most lgbt people by going out of their way to ban any gay interpretation of their characters.

                                      [–]makogami 27 points28 points  (0 children)

                                      tbf, that was for one specific fan art contest and it's considered standard practice in the Otome genre to not have BL content in any official capacity.

                                      the real reason it's gonna be shooing away people is by being so damn greedy. free currency is abysmal and there's a new event banner every two weeks I think? there's also just not a lot of things to do in the game. everybody's been calling them out on the game's subreddit.

                                      [–]Confident-Mine4834 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                                      to find any gay interpretation in an otome game is like finding a straight interpretation in a bl game, plus it's only for a fanart contest

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                                          [–]ReasonableInternal41 309 points310 points  (144 children)

                                          I’m not even surprised at this point considering this is anniversary patch for HSR.

                                          • Top-up reset
                                          • Sparkle being best support
                                          • Acheron best DPS + broken signature LC

                                          meanwhile, in genshin just chiori and itto. But still being managed at the top. The gap between hoyo games and the others is so huge. Congrats to them.

                                          This April, 2nd half banner neuvilette and kazuha, then 4.6 arlecchino will bring back genshin at the top for sure.

                                          [–]NahIdKill🤡 StarWars fanboys are so petty lmao 😭 80 points81 points  (111 children)

                                          As much as I love HSR, I still can't believe how do they earn so much money with much fewer players than Genshin? If someone can explain this, I will be glad.

                                          I don't need sleep, I need answers

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                                          edit: I looked up and HSR had 21M monthly active players vs Genshin's 60M.And Ik, 4.5 is a dry patch but I am talking in general. How does HSR even manage to earn as much as Genshin if not more in some patches with like 1/3rd of the monthly active playerbase.

                                          [–]Costyn17 287 points288 points  (13 children)

                                          2 new 5 stars with their signatures every single patch.

                                          Whales have no break there.

                                          [–]NahIdKill🤡 StarWars fanboys are so petty lmao 😭 63 points64 points  (0 children)

                                          true. as a low to medium spender the pain is real. I want them all!

                                          [–]Any_Worldliness7991 65 points66 points  (9 children)

                                          Tbh whales don’t care about that.. some dude spent 22k on Acheron LCs alone(1000 LCs + not counting the 75/25s he lost).. two banners are nothing for the whales..

                                          [–]Costyn17 53 points54 points  (8 children)

                                          That was the point. The question was how HSR makes so much money.

                                          [–]Tenken10 75 points76 points  (7 children)

                                          My personal feeling? Genshin has more casual and young players and less incentive to get stronger units. HSR has harder content and stronger power creep so people are more inspired to spend. So the spending evens out a bit.

                                          [–]Meropides-Bakery 52 points53 points  (1 child)

                                          Partly, but Acheron is also the most anticipated character for HSR. She's an Raiden Mei expy and a much closer expy than Genshin's Raiden is. She also cuts a lot of time in SU by just being able to kill without entering combat. She also doesn't have a great f2p lightcone and her e2 is very attractive for medium spenders.

                                          Hsr also has more attractive weapon banners since it's just a straight 75:25.

                                          I also don't feel that there's really that much power creep, it's just similar to Genshin where some early units just ended up not being great. Jing Yuan for example got a massive boost with sparkle.

                                          [–]Tenken10 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                                          I was mostly talking about in general, not just for this specific banner. Acheron is an example of the power creep that will keep whales whaling.

                                          [–]QueasySmile4 12 points13 points  (4 children)

                                          Yeah this patch's new Pure Fiction is such a character check 😭

                                          [–]FlameDragoon933 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                          Always has been. The only saving grace is that Herta is free and Himeko is from Standard banner, but still PF and MOC have always been a character check. Especially during the times they're favoring DOT units, because DOT units is something you need to specifically build because they're specific, and not units you just coincidentally have like NA unit, ult unit, etc. because these are more universal.

                                          [–]Cairn_ 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                          Ah yes, the honkai signature pull the new character or suffer.

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                                              [–]Batagor_Pleco 18 points19 points  (0 children)

                                              hoyo gacha is f2p, meaning more players ≠ more spender, the IP that could satisfy the whale won the money game

                                              [–]Reaver027Ayaka 80 points81 points  (7 children)

                                              I would argue that HSR has much more typical gacha gamers compared to Genshin. Those are found more on mobile and are willing to spend more as well.

                                              A big chunk of Genshin's revenue is PC and Console and that is not represented here. HSR while making good money on those systems as well typically makes much less there compared to Genshin.

                                              [–]TunaTunaLeeks Try not to enjoy this too much! 23 points24 points  (0 children)

                                              I’m a PC player mostly but hot damn does HSR feel way more comfy to play on mobile. I rarely need to show any finesse with the controls since the game is turn based.

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                                                [–]Commercial_Day_1438 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                                                I mean I remember uma musume got like 70m in some month(not include cn) before and their playerbase are much lesser. It depends on how many players are willing to spend honestly. More players doesnt more money. Major of the revenue coming from whales.

                                                [–]Flix2000 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                                The answer ist simple. HSR has actual endgame content that’s hard to clear. That’s why whales have a actual reason to pull. The next step is to 0 cycle the hardest content which gives whales a even bigger satisfaction. Also HSR doesn’t need any „Skill“ in genshin ur character can be E6 if u can’t dodge or do some mechanic wrong u still lose so a skilled player still can out shine a bad whale which is another downside for whales. Let’s compare year 1 genshin with year 1 HSR. In genshin what did whales do with there E6 characters? Abyss easy af could clear that easily with a f2p team so E6 was overkill. The only thing whales did was going to the weekly bosses or the flower bosses doing a dmg showcase hitting 1 mil and that’s it. In HSR we have tons of hard content that’s nearly impossible to clear with a completely f2p team. E6 characters are making it super easy but still not overkill. And then there is the challenge in 0 cycling everything which becomes possible with E6 characters. So that’s the main difference between both games.

                                                [–]notolo632 31 points32 points  (4 children)

                                                Because HSR follow the more "traditional" gacha route: constent new character releases, powercreeping, tuning events a lot to sell the characters,... All the basic things in a gacha book and Hoyo just put it onto a much higher quality than average.

                                                People playing HSR are more likely to spend than Genshin since a portion (no idea how big) of GI players enjoy being F2P, ignore combat and play the Open world RPG part of the game.

                                                [–]Raijin_N 6 points7 points  (3 children)

                                                There are a few reasons that I know of but I dont think they're the only reasons.

                                                • We keep getting new 5* characters that people like. If u look at the banner history and think about how the community felt about those characters, you will notice that its hard to think about a character that people didn't like. Compare that to genshin where its almost tradition to downplay or doompost a new character if its not broken

                                                • Compared to Genshin where people like to keep downplaying new characters and try to convince others that "x character isnt that big of an upgrade compared to y character and pulling for them is stupid", hype for new characters in hsr doesn't really get that treatment. So in the end, people pull for whoever they want and more often than not, those characters that they want ends up getting banners back to back.

                                                • People feel more incentivized to pull for characters in hsr compared to genshin. This is something that I just stumbled upon back then, there were people who say that they'd rather spend in hsr even if its more generous because whenever they get free stuff they feel like the devs are giving back to them or something.

                                                • More people pull in lc banners than weapon banners. Pulling in LC banners feel a lot better than pulling in weapon banner. I can testify with this one myself, I've been playing genshin for 2 years now and I still see the weapon as this disgusting thing that only exists to take away my pulls for new characters that I like just to get a low chance of getting something for my character. Meanwhile in HSR, I try to pull in the LC banner the moment I get the character because it has lower pity (80 max pity, 65 soft pity) and 75% of getting what I want (compared to genshin where u have to win the 75% and then win the 50%).

                                                • People unironically make e6s5 support accounts. I dont fully understand their logic here because whenever ur support character is used, u only get credits but I wont question them because I get to try e6s5 characters thanks to them. I love u my e6s5 support friends.

                                                  Out of these reasons, id say that the biggest reason that I noticed by playing both games and interacting with both game communities is how the community treats each character. Even if HSR had 2 new 5* every patch, if they treat the character the same way Genshin community treats new characters, it wont yield this much profit with a lot smaller playerbase.

                                                [–]FlameDragoon933 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                                                We keep getting new 5* characters that people like. If u look at the banner history and think about how the community felt about those characters, you will notice that its hard to think about a character that people didn't like.

                                                I thought "Xianzhou women outfit" is a huge meme criticizing the Xianzhou era designs?

                                                there were people who say that they'd rather spend in hsr even if its more generous because whenever they get free stuff they feel like the devs are giving back to them or something.

                                                lol this is the same kind of people who fell for marketing tricks. the same sad lesson from JC Penney's honest pricing campaign failure.

                                                LC banner

                                                this one is fair, LC banner is vastly better than GI's weapon banner.

                                                [–]cuclaznekMale enjoyer 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                                                Every player count site just makes shit up btw

                                                [–]walker-of-the-wheel 32 points33 points  (28 children)

                                                I've played Genshin since 1.2, and in just a year I've probably spent more in HSR than all three years I've played Genshin.

                                                Part of it is that I like the characters and designs in HSR better, and part of it is because there's literally fuck all to do with new characters in Genshin. At least HSR lets me use my characters for actual content.

                                                [–]papu16 Boss and worker 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                                                Yep, my desire to pull new characters just disappeared after certain point where I was able to close abyss on 36* from first try, because my current characters are just too good. Also it's not helping that supports here appear for 2 seconds and then disappear, while in star rail they are waay more active (also sustain units are more important).

                                                [–]Ajols 52 points53 points  (19 children)

                                                Exact opposite for me, I have no incentive rolling for chars in HSR because there is not much to do with them in the world, they're static in combat and don't control them as you would in real time combat, powercreep is real and much faster which means characters I like could become outdated in endgame combat (while you can still 36* with 1.0 characters in Genshin). I don't really feel like I own my characters as much as in Genshin there.

                                                [–]ngkrinkels 24 points25 points  (5 children)

                                                Yep, exact feeling, At least I can build whatever garbage team I had on Genshin and it still works giving me the opportunity to try out other characters that im not initially interested in.

                                                [–]awsoraGold's pretty boy 15 points16 points  (2 children)

                                                Haha same, I pulled for Ruan Mei and Sparkle in HSR because they're meta despite me not liking them very much lol. In Genshin I'd never pull for a character that is just meta and don't like much.

                                                [–]FlameDragoon933 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                                                Same. I built Hook because I like her and thought this would be like Genshin where *4 characters can still do well in the endgame. Nope, she's kinda garbage and that's saddening. I also built Sushang and she's not faring well either. QQ and Sampo are probably the only *4 offensive units still relevant, and even Sampo is a gray area because he's more of debuff/dps hybrid instead of conventional hitter.

                                                I want to build Xueyi and Misha, but those past experience really soured me, felt like it's a waste to build them.

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                                                      [–]Any_Worldliness7991 16 points17 points  (8 children)

                                                      Eh I’m suprised since I remember someone arguing with me that Chiori was somehow gonna outsell Acheron before Acheron’s banner dropped..

                                                      I wish I could find that person again.. but oh well..

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                                                        [–]Hudson_Legend 37 points38 points  (6 children)

                                                        Hoyoverse consistently taking at least 2 of the top 3 spots is actually insane, like they just know how to make gacha games done right

                                                        [–]calmcool3978 25 points26 points  (5 children)

                                                        People will say Hoyo has the least friendly gacha systems, but all that extra money they charge at least goes back into the game and it shows.

                                                        [–]PopstAhri99 local KaeLuc simp meme queen Sucrose 39 points40 points  (3 children)

                                                        This might just be me sounding like a boomer, but I feel like the people who have that sentiment are playing more of the "newer" gachas. When genshin first came out and I heard of how the gacha system worked I was blown away because it is one of the most forgiving gachas compared to the other ones I have played. Idol/rhythm gachas are BRUTAL, i remember having to save all year for birthday banners of the girls I wanted because pull rates were so bad and nothing was a guarantee. While I haven't played Brave Frontier and FGO, I have heard the pull rate/pity in those games are also quite awful

                                                        I do appreciate how newer gachas are taking a similar approach to Genshin/HSR with the pity and 50/50 thing (R1999 for example

                                                        [–]Ken_Nutspel 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                                                        As someone who played fgo first (theres no pity system at that time) and then played Genshin, the 50/50 was like a godsend to me.

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                                                            [–]AlterWanabee 122 points123 points  (4 children)

                                                            The revenue is surprisingly large for the quality of the banner present. Like no offense to the characters themselves, but Geo is easily the worst element in the game, and when 1 od the banner units is like the weaker Geo DPS and the other is a support for Mono Geo then you can expect people to not roll on it. This is especially true when the next banner has fucking Neuvillette and Kazuha in it, and the next patch has Arlecchino in it.

                                                            [–]esztersunday 86 points87 points  (1 child)

                                                            Chronicled Wish Banner must have helped.

                                                            [–]bumwine 16 points17 points  (0 children)

                                                            Yep if I had the money two weeks ago I would've chucked money just for lost prayer (movement SPD addict)

                                                            [–]SillyTea5481 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                                                            She outranks basically the only other character in her niche of Geo Sub DPS ever so slightly basically.  I lost the 50/50 to another Diluc Con on her banner and just feel like cashing the guarantee on a Neuvillete constellation instead tomorrow.  Theres always that one character that slips through for a while each region.  For Sumeru it was Nilou who I had to wait another 6 months or so to finally get.

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                                                              [–]MrARK_ 27 points28 points  (1 child)

                                                              HSR made so much money omg

                                                              [–][deleted] 60 points61 points  (0 children)

                                                              L didn't cross 70 mil game's dead shutdown the servers /s

                                                              [–]erosugiruPhysical and Geo Truther 108 points109 points  (16 children)

                                                              Genshin still second place during one of its more mediocre patches this game is not dying 😭😭😭

                                                              [–]XMaxJunior Best wolf 26 points27 points  (0 children)

                                                              Every filler version people say genshin is dying, at this point I want to believe they're just trolling just to rage bait or something

                                                              [–]Dramatic_endjingu 57 points58 points  (12 children)

                                                              According to some people Genshin is on it downward spiral era.

                                                              Why am I being downvoted I said that as a sarcasm? Or should I put /s there?

                                                              [–]Euxis 29 points30 points  (0 children)

                                                              Yup eos tomorrow, been a good three years

                                                              [–]Artistic_Prior_7178 55 points56 points  (7 children)

                                                              That has been said since gosh darn Sumeru. Just because there is a quiet patch doesn't mean shite. And we know that the people who say this stuff don't even play Genshin.

                                                              [–]Costyn17 79 points80 points  (3 children)

                                                              Sumeru? People said that since 1.x when they figured hard endgame combat isn't coming.

                                                              [–]Artistic_Prior_7178 42 points43 points  (2 children)

                                                              XD, so the games been dying since launch. That checks out.

                                                              [–]satufa2 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                                                              The funny thing is, if you look at google trends, intrest in the game is basicly at the same level between like 1.1 and today.

                                                              [–]Dramatic_endjingu 20 points21 points  (2 children)

                                                              I know that I’m just saying what people who have hate boner for genshin are saying lol. Let’s see how their doompost will age.

                                                              [–]Artistic_Prior_7178 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                                                              The same way Sayu does. Not at all.

                                                              [–]08Dreaj08 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                                              Nah, that was foul 😭

                                                              [–]GamerSweat002 14 points15 points  (1 child)

                                                              Don't get that claim when the QoLs we ask for are getting closer and closer, as well as the story improving by miles each region. Sumeru was a massive jump in plot quality over Inazuma. It also made you feel bad for Paimon with leaving her alone to enter outside the samsara boundaries and seeing her in panic mode. Then the Caribert quest where Paimon panicked with not seeing us first thing in the morning and we hugged her back.

                                                              Hoyo's reflecting on previous fallback in story quality.

                                                              [–]Dramatic_endjingu 31 points32 points  (0 children)

                                                              Genshin is definitely getting better and better, sometimes they even surprised me with how far they could go with polishing stuff. So yeah, can’t wait to see what Natlan will bring to us.

                                                              Anyone who said genshin isn’t improving are just sour that improvements they made aren’t what they want. Like it or not let’s just give the devs credits when it’s due.

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                                                                [–]Taro_Acedia 17 points18 points  (1 child)

                                                                If Genshin is dying, all other live service games (except HSR maybe) are already dead.

                                                                [–]SillyTea5481 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                                                The actual correct takeaway lol

                                                                [–]GraveXNull 31 points32 points  (7 children)

                                                                Now just wait for next month which will have Neuvillette + Kazuha banner and not to mention Arlecchino banner...

                                                                I'm curious though how Aventurine's banner will do.

                                                                [–]mr_beanoz:yo: :ho: :ho: 23 points24 points  (5 children)

                                                                Not as much as Sparkcheron, but I think he'd pull quite the money

                                                                But I wonder how much would they get from Firefly

                                                                [–]GraveXNull 9 points10 points  (4 children)

                                                                Since her banner is kinda far away, the hype around her might die a bit.

                                                                I'm more curious about Boothill and what's her name.

                                                                [–]mr_beanoz:yo: :ho: :ho: 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                                                Ah, Robin seemed like an interesting fellow too

                                                                [–]satufa2 17 points18 points  (2 children)

                                                                Firefly is THE waifu. She is also THE ... other thing. Hype won't die down. Is the Alrecchino hype gone cause we haven't seen her for 2 patches?

                                                                [–]glaceonhugger 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                                                I think Aventurine will do just great but not as much as Sparkle + Archeron. He's very popular among the girls in Jp community so there's a huge back up.

                                                                [–]Ademoneye 44 points45 points  (0 children)

                                                                Oh no, i think genshin is dead again guys

                                                                [–]lostn 39 points40 points  (2 children)

                                                                just a reminder that a douchebag doomposted HSR when Ratio was announced to be given for free. He said it was a bad thing not a good thing because it means the game is dying. He called it dying because its most recent period's revenue declined by 15M from the previous month.

                                                                [–]Seraphine_KDA 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                                                                i mean this month was an anomaly for star rail. i never pulled more than E0S0 characters and got acheron E6S1 because raiden mei simp since 2014.

                                                                [–]-Drogozi-I wish french women were real 111 points112 points  (20 children)

                                                                Mihoyo after inventing raiden and hu tao expys.

                                                                Money duplication exploit

                                                                [–]Any_Worldliness7991 18 points19 points  (7 children)

                                                                They should release a kiana expy(make the Unknown God playable damn it!)

                                                                [–]-Drogozi-I wish french women were real 25 points26 points  (2 children)

                                                                "That's a surprise tool that can help us later" - mihoyo probably

                                                                [–]TheQuestionableDuck 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                                                                its a "break glass in emergency" situation. they gonna be "oh shit we're in some deep controversy RELEASE THE TUNA"

                                                                [–]BobbyWibowoi like fish 🐟 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                                I find this extremely hilarious because I can totally see this working if a situation that warrants that ever happen lmao

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                                                                  [–]Junior-Price-5306 44 points45 points  (7 children)

                                                                  sparkle is not an expy of hu tao, she is more of Fuwa from Honkai 3

                                                                  [–]BobbyWibowoi like fish 🐟 18 points19 points  (2 children)

                                                                  I did pull Sparkle more because of Hu Tao despite also playing HI3, FWIW

                                                                  [–]aisha-queen 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                                                                  Fuwa 🧐 did u mix Fuxi and Nuwa ? 🤔

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                                                                    [–]Artistic_Prior_7178 14 points15 points  (0 children)

                                                                    Works every time.

                                                                    [–]QueasySmile4 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                                                                    You totally got me lmao i pulled Sparkle cause she looked like Hu Tao

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                                                                      [–]Accomplished-Top-564 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                                                                      Penacony the money printer holy shit

                                                                      [–]Dramatic_endjingu 48 points49 points  (3 children)

                                                                      The devs should be thanking Hunter’s path lol.

                                                                      [–]kira00r 7 points8 points  (2 children)

                                                                      Nope, I got beacons claymore, dehya's sword. This one is also popular

                                                                      [–]Dramatic_endjingu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                                      Beacons is also useful on many characters so I’m not surprised lol. These two are the mvp of this patch,

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                                                                        [–]exidei 27 points28 points  (5 children)

                                                                        I’m surprised that otome gacha made it to the third place

                                                                        [–]BeneficialMaybe3719 39 points40 points  (1 child)

                                                                        That game has been climbing the ranks like crazy, I see it everywhere

                                                                        [–]mr_beanoz:yo: :ho: :ho: 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                                                                        And then there's that CN only Naruto game

                                                                        [–]RishaRea48 13 points14 points  (1 child)

                                                                        Well aside from the guys it has action and gameplay like genshin where you control your character..

                                                                        [–]baboon_ass_eater69 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                                                        Yeah, I was surprised. Usually third place are games like Nikke and similar games but this time this game came out of nowhere and straight up sat down to the top rankings

                                                                        [–]SillyTea5481 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                                                                        Is it fair to call Raiden Mei the Saberface of China now.

                                                                        [–]pinnko 54 points55 points  (7 children)

                                                                        I’ve never felt the desire to spend money on genshin but I want every single star rail character

                                                                        [–]boredfrogger 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                                                                        I didn't even care about Robin when she was first announced - but the leaked ultimate animation is so good, I want her now more than anything else. How does Hoyo keep nailing the character design everytime

                                                                        [–]QueasySmile4 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                                                                        Me rn cause i want Jingliu, Fu Xuan, Robin, and Boothill 😩 How am i supposed to get them all 😭

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                                                                          [–]Javajulien 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                                                                          Posted this over in the Gachagaming sub reddit, but the gamble Hoyo took with Chiori's kit doesn't really make sense to me. They banked her Constellation 1 on being something that Navia mains would pull for in mass but Navia doesn't really come across as the type of unit that got that dedicated base trying to min max her vertical investment the way we've seen with the likes of Ayaka, Raiden and Neuvilette.

                                                                          At a base C0 she's technically still the best Geo Teammate for Navia, but really isn't that big of an upgrade over Zhongli/Albedo.

                                                                          And Mono Geo/Itto mains got absolutely no incentive to pull for her constellations unless they just want to eek out more damage for Chiori herself.

                                                                          And the cherry on top is Chiori had no involvement in the Archon Quest and her debut was in an event that she was just a supporting character in (the focus being on Cheveruse instead) so there wasn't really a "simp factor" going for her either.

                                                                          Not me trying to dog on Chiori either, but it just felt like a choice to release such an incredibly niche unit and then gating her flexiblity in other comps behind a constellation to top it off.

                                                                          [–]xd_ZelnikM 32 points33 points  (7 children)

                                                                          Behind star rail by a large margin, but still comfortably clear of everything else

                                                                          [–]jindo90:ganyu::eula::raiden::yae::nahida::dehya::furina: 84 points85 points  (6 children)

                                                                          HSR has the debut banner of a Raiden character, Acheron, so it's expected. Like when Raiden Shogun banner blew everything out of water.

                                                                          [–]SnakeTGK 50 points51 points  (0 children)

                                                                          and top up reset

                                                                          [–]Myuchu 23 points24 points  (1 child)

                                                                          There's also that whale in China that pulled 100 of her weapons just to celebrate her release. I'm dead.

                                                                          [–]satufa2 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                                                                          Most of the games on this list didn't make as much money from their whole ass player base as what that one dude spent.

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                                                                            [–]Devilmay1233[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

                                                                            Source - https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/1bt0d2a/sensor_tower_monthly_revenue_report_mar_2024/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1

                                                                            [–]LavaDirt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                                                            not surprised, it's march (7th)

                                                                            [–]Gremorlin 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                                                                            Boy oh boy, I can’t wait till WW and ZZZ comes out. Either the top games fight for the #1 spot or it’s a GI vs every games situation where they all try to one-up GI since other fanbases(their annoying side), Kuro or even other Hoyo games, seem to have a special place in their heart for hating Genshin specifically.

                                                                            Sensor tower result discussions starting from August are gonna be interesting and chaotic asf

                                                                            [–]satufa2 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                                                                            Look... i'm going to play wuwa but i used to be an mmorpg player. I have seen the "wow killer" song and dance like 50 times and it always ends the same. Most people are either not intrested in the type of game or are intrested and play to original. The only time these killer actually overcome whatever they are killing is if they make some fundamental change to the formula (building in fortnight for example).

                                                                            If a new game is too close to an older one, it's already an uphill battle since they have to overcome investment. I want to see the story of genshin unfold and there is no chance in hell i would drop it even if wuwa was better (which is a questionable statment tbh... despite what some hype merchancts a pedling).

                                                                            [–]Apekecik2071 37 points38 points  (1 child)

                                                                            As expected Genshin fell down on March. Lowkey I was hoping Chronicle Banner would carried this month. After 4 banger patch, this patch is definitely much weaker. The gap between 2 hoyo games and 3rd place is still that big

                                                                            "BTW gUyS, bOyCoTt WoRkS" /sarcastic

                                                                            [–]Elira_EclipseHarbingers waiting room 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                                                                            The only ones who would pull on chronicle are really mainly those that are missing certain standards and Hunter's Path really

                                                                            [–]M4x1mili0usGanyumiya supremacy 18 points19 points  (0 children)

                                                                            HSR getting carried by one guy who pulled 100 of her weapon

                                                                            [–]ezio45 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                                            Expected for Star Rail when they release a powerful Raiden Mei expy. Though I expect Genshin revenue should go up in April due to Neuvillette and Kazuha along with Arlecchino coming up.

                                                                            [–]Artistic_Log_5493 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                                            Can't wait for pyro archon to outsell yelan and others.

                                                                            [–]TheLyingSpectre 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                                            Sometimes I forget how big Genshin is until I look at one of these.

                                                                            [–]Pizzaman7045 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                                                                            Honestly, with the banners hsr and genshin had this doesn't surprise me in the slightest. With the tail end of Dan heng/black swan then Jing yuan/sparkle AND acheron/luocha. Hsr had banger banner after banger banner

                                                                            [–]LePool 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                                            Genshin fell off man, It flew too hight to the sun😞

                                                                            [–]Ether_The_Void 3 points4 points  (3 children)

                                                                            FGO dropped a big main story update and got almost no increase in revenue???

                                                                            [–]MercedesCR 2 points3 points  (5 children)

                                                                            HSR earns triple the money with half the development cost. I wonder how Hoyo feels about this and it won’t affect their future product (like boring events). They certainly are more interested in releasing new games like ZZZ, some new animal crossing type game they’re working on, VR game….

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