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[–][deleted] 715 points716 points  (94 children)

Fuck insiders, how about creating an artificial price for the shit by running a sparse market for three minutes the day before the real launch? Almost as shady as that "totally coincidental not actually a pump" jump in price a few hours before Ver went on Alex Jones.

[–]RedditUser6789 294 points295 points  (83 children)

Ver went on Alex Jones? Lol. This shit just keeps getting funnier. I almost feel bad for the bitcoin cash community at this point, except they’re so frustratingly irrational and arrogant at the same time that it’s hard to feel bad.

[–]anonymouse092 126 points127 points  (52 children)

Every once in a while, when I'm feeling adventurous, I peep into r/btc. It feels like dipping your toe into a muddy, murky puddle filled with trolls.

[–]supermari0 93 points94 points  (40 children)

Gullible people in denial. Suffering from Stockholm syndrome.

An echo chamber of arrogant, anti-intellectual nitwits.

"LOL that's an ad homonim! In fact your the anti intalectuel nitwit core fanboy! Borgstream is destroying the bitcoin with SegWit hubs. Bilderberg told them to do it (they own them). Go back to your censored safe place, snowflake. Bitcoin cash is the real Bitcoin because it has all the signatures and big blocks and more capacity and Roger has done a lot for the community and Wright (who is Satoshi btw) says it is. Rekt, lol."

[–]SatoshisVisionTM 18 points19 points  (2 children)

You forgot to say 'censorship'.

[–]WeakHands_Trader 14 points15 points  (0 children)

You forgot the part where they all remind you that "bitcoin" (as they call it) is satoshi original vision!

[–]dvxvdsbsf 19 points20 points  (26 children)

shitposts like this is why we cant have reasonable discussions

[–]supermari0 28 points29 points  (17 children)

No. You can't have reasonable discussion with those types period. Might as well shitpost.

[–]johnnyhonda 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Reasonable discussion about Bitcoin don't happen on reddit anymore. It might have in the past, but just FYI the discussions take place elsewhere now.

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    [–]JesusSkywalkered 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Thanks for the cancer douche.

    Edit: sorry, I dropped this /s

    [–]DeucesCracked 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Dear god... amphibious trolls??

    [–]conspiracyeinstein 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    How did btc turn into a bch sub?

    [–]Tellmeyourlifestorie 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    I do the same ...but that includes this sub too

    [–]GLPReddit 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    There is a coin for every kind of alienated mentality. And vice versa !

    [–]IJustThinkOutloud 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Yeah, he skyped in wearing a hanes t-shirt with a bcash logo on it. He looked like he was twelve. It was glorious.

    [–]Who_Decided 27 points28 points  (14 children)

    The overlap between bch crazies and alex jones followers is probably just as high as the overlap between btc crazies and alex jones followers. I've come into this sub way too many times and see heavily cosigned unironic "god emperor" comments. People in here are nuttier than squirrel shit. We just don't have as much of an opportunity to notice because we all seem to only care about money and community development.

    [–]_Enclose_ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    nuttier than squirrel shit

    I'mma use that from now on

    [–]Discer412 16 points17 points  (1 child)

    the ver alex jones interview was great you should check it out. Ver drops the spiel about legacy blockstreamcore and the central bankers colluding to take over bitcoin, and alex jones eats it up devising conspiracies in his own head. Then they went to break and when they came back bitcoin heads were calling in and calling out Ver on everything he just said. Then alex jones got skeptical of ver and said he wasn't going to pick a side. Ver started crying the people calling in were paid trolls it was grade A entertainment.

    [–]johnnyhonda 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Release the cube megatron!

    😂

    [–]slashfromgunsnroses 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yeah, its spread out pretty even id say also. Just remember to call out that bs when you see it. Its a minority in the US, and most of the 'old world' is right behind you ;)

    Its really fun when these nutters assume that whatever side they picked in the debate is the side of smart 'red pilled' people (of course, they are geniouses so whatever side they pick is also full of geniouses), only to realize they have left their safe space :)

    [–]Doritalos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Comments like this turn the frogs gay

    [–]RedditUser6789 7 points8 points  (2 children)

    Every community needs there crazies. I’d still suspect BTC has a lower ratio of crazies than BCH. There’s just a much bigger BTC community.

    [–]joeknowswhoiam 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    So you are saying that they suffer from centralization... of crazies ;)

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    They will lose their money. This is what makes me feel bad for them way more.

    [–]BitcoinCitadel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Nutjobs stick together

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yeah... the parts I saw were pretty cringey. My two faves being his statement about the miraculous price rising right before his interview "I personally didn't sell any BCH or BTC today" and that he wasn't sure if Wright is Satoshi or not, but that he wants Wright to retain his privacy so he won't ask him.

    [–]SamSlate 11 points12 points  (4 children)

    or shutting down trade to cool the price 5k.

    [–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (3 children)

    I unknowingly subscribed to btc back in the day thinking it was a normal sub that discussed bitcoin and bitcoin cash as well since it was fairly new and a fork from bitcoin. Geeeee I was wrong and that sub was terrrrrrible

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      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      this is good for bitcoin.

      [–]brigittefruehauf 22 points23 points  (2 children)

      I am still waiting to see when will alleged Bitfinex/Tether thing come to similar ending

      [–]Scafell1 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      I doubt that will happen, Bitfinex is a nest place for big traders and whales, you think they would allow someone to manipulate them? Money is dangerous and powerful people don't like to be played.

      [–]TheCapitalR 332 points333 points  (47 children)

      Insider trading in crypto. Lol. You guys want a free market and then when things dont go your way you preach the same regulations that traditional markets have which you claim to despise.

      [–]yunes0312 39 points40 points  (5 children)

      The base of bitcoin supporters that want a free market aren't the same as the get-rich-quick schemers who demand regulations and file a lawsuit every time the price goes down.

      [–]jwBTC 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      Hodler since 2013, agree these newbs ain't seen shit!

      [–]montecarlo1 3 points4 points  (2 children)

      Agreed. These normies gives us a bad name.

      Regulation is =! to Crypto. Even if people say "regulatory adoption" will bring more credibility.

      Crypto doesn't need centralized organizations to deem it ok for it to coexist. It is already here and its here to stay whether a regulatory body agrees with it or not.

      [–]baws1017 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      "you guys" as if all of crypto is represented by a couple people who all agree on everything

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        [–]XG_anon 9 points10 points  (2 children)

        Yeah ... kids filed the lawsuit. Contradictions exist at nearly every level in crypto but let’s blame it on the lambo chasing kids.

        [–]eqleriq 24 points25 points  (6 children)

        Free markets also involve punishing shitcoiners and their centralizing shill interests.

        bee tee dubs, if coinbase is gov regulated (it is) it has to play by gov rules. So your horseshit westworld fantasy of "anything goes" does not apply.

        You should be seeing this as the fall of some entity trying to play both sides of the fence, instead you're spinning yarn about how the gov backed corporate entity should have "pure autonomy." LOL

        You have the audacity to blame the community for the shitty actions of one entity.

        Spoiler: nobody has sympathy for a gov friendly entity getting stung by the rules THEY agreed to play along with.

        If you buy into the goodness of regulation -- which you MUST in order to tolerate coinbase -- you thus have a problem wih the concept of insider trading happening here.

        On the flip, if you don't buy into that, you think "fuck coinbase."

        So I fail to see where you think coinbase is this paragon of free market unregulation

        [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

        As usual people want whatever suits them at the time.

        [–]shanita10 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Insider trading would be fine if everyone could do it.

        Major corporations would probably not be able to exist however, so there would be no unfairness.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        but you agree that manipulation could absolutely discredit bitcoin as anything else than a pure speculative asset? say the whales or exchanges that participate in the market (bitcoughfinex) decide to exit the market, let it retrace to $1k or something, then buy back? what then? I mean what now, we went from $200 to $20000, thats 100x. and hardly anyone uses it, as it is, or was better to just hodl it! idk...manipulation and insider trading IS a huge issue that nobody can tackle.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        It’s not a free market though is it?

        [–]Shafer1212 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        It doesnt have to be all or nothing.

        [–]Wakenbake585 65 points66 points  (71 children)

        So does this mean funds and any coins you are holding could get locked if coinbase/gdax gets seized ? As in we'd be SOL?

        [–]njtrafficsignshopper 73 points74 points  (25 children)

        Dollar-denominated funds are FDIC insured. I think that means it would be covered? Not sure.

        But your crypto, absolutely. How many object lessons do we need in not keeping crypto on exchanges??

        [–]RedditUser6789 21 points22 points  (15 children)

        They’re a custodian. They can’t use customer crypto to pay their own bills. Well, they can if they want to go to jail.

        [–]sQtWLgK 9 points10 points  (3 children)

        They’re a custodian.

        No, they are not. This is what we thought for Mt.Gox too, but then bankruptcy court determined that all bitcoins were the property of Mt.Gox, and users owned at most btc-denominated IOUs.

        [–]eyal0 3 points4 points  (6 children)

        They could have it conveniently stolen by a hacker that is actually an inside job and then split profits secretly.

        [–]ninetofiveslave 2 points3 points  (3 children)

        What jail? Just move to Russia or any other country that doesn’t care?

        [–]-bryden- 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Doesn't Ver already live in Japan? Or is my memory just making shit up again.

        [–]Cryptolution 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        He does, yes.

        [–]e11ypho 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        He does

        [–]Wakenbake585 7 points8 points  (6 children)

        I trade so I don't usually have anything for more than a few hours unless it crashes. I'm more worried about having some on there one night and waking up to a seized site.

        [–]EC_CO 10 points11 points  (5 children)

        then use one of the many other exchange options out there. after all the fiascos I'm seriously surprised people are still relying on them

        [–]silasfelinus 4 points5 points  (4 children)

        Really? My impression on coinbase is they have significantly less customer support than their userbase would suggest, and this causes a number of reported problems (as well as their tech issues). But they give me the impression that they do their diligence with regulatory situations and they aren't going to decide tomorrow to steal my money. What other US exchanges would you suggest that seem more likely to be regulatory compliant? Gemini is the only one that springs to mind, but they have even worse coin offerings.

        [–]wildlight 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        Coinbase just announced they are planning to hire an additional 500 customer support staff, so hopefully that helps.

        [–]EC_CO 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        bittrex is US based. coss.io is Singapore based, but working on being the most compliant (soon out of beta ... like this month. + fiat coming this month)

        [–]Ether0x 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Dude, it is OK to leave some crypto on exchanges. There are a plethora of reasons why. Coinbase - and it's an unpopular POV - is actually one of the more secure places to store crypto, particularly for new users that would potentially lose everything try to faff with their own private keys.

        [–]AussieBitcoiner 13 points14 points  (30 children)

        If you have enough sitting in an exchange to even be concerned about this possibility, you should move them into your own wallet asap.

        [–]Wakenbake585 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Fair enough. Thanks for the response.

        [–]fstraat 7 points8 points  (27 children)

        What you mean by your own wallet? Can you please share some examples of services for this?

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          [–]binlagin 2 points3 points  (3 children)

          I ordered a Trezor.. but in the mean time while I waited for it to arrive I used: https://electrum.org/

          Now my funds are stored within my hardware wallet.

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              [–]shreveportfixit 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              This is the case for every exchange. Do not leave your coins on an exchange.

              [–]Pretagonist 2 points3 points  (10 children)

              Coinbase won't get seized. They will get fined, some people might even go to jail (unlikely). Coinbase is a part of the financial system and unless it's completely corrupt through and through it won't get shut down due to a criminal investigation.

              [–]Frogolocalypse 2 points3 points  (7 children)

              Coinbase won't get seized.

              lol. You gonna guarantee that with your own money?

              Coinbase is a part of the financial system

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

              [–]Pretagonist 1 point2 points  (4 children)

              Yes, I'm absolutely willing to bet my own money on coinbase not going down as a company due to the trading irregularities regarding the introduction of bch pairs.

              Shall we say $1000 in bitcoin payable no later than say 6 months from today?

              [–]nemo1080 52 points53 points  (1 child)

              How do I join

              [–]ShakingShiva 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              I don’t have a good feeling about this I can’t decide if it’s good for crypto or not

              [–]jurassic_blam 134 points135 points  (25 children)

              hey if we could not bankrupt Coinbase with lawsuits while a huge percentage of the bitcoin space has their coins on coinbase that would be great.

              not meant as a defense of either coinbase or people who store their coins there.

              [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (2 children)

              Rule 1 of crypto is if you don't own the private keys, you don't own the coins.

              [–]BecauseItWasThere 90 points91 points  (4 children)

              Take your coins off, Mr Dinosaur

              [–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (0 children)

              This reminds me of the concept of bailing out giant banks because letting them fail will have serious reprocussions. So, the banks have everyone by the balls. I say flush Coinbase straight down the toilet if they are determined to be a stinky turd. Bitcoin will survive Coinbase or not.

              [–]davotoula 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              Too big to fail?

              [–]GlaX0 2 points3 points  (12 children)

              As a European what alternative to coinbase is there if I want simplicity ?

              [–]darkshines 6 points7 points  (1 child)

              https://bitcoin.de

              They've been up for quite a few years, never had a problem with them.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I second this. Absolutely professional and they seem to implement new features ahead of time, not begrudgingly late like other exchanges.

              [–]Rhamni 1 point2 points  (3 children)

              I used Bitpanda. They were very fast and painless back in October. Have not used them since then, but should still be good. Do note that you can't buy any coins until you have shown them your face and ID.

              [–]_30d_ 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              "Fast and painless"... Very appealing! You must be in marketing. ;)

              [–]Rhamni 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Ha. I sat by and watched crypto for a while before I decided to put money into it, and you only really hear about exchanges when things go wrong, so I was expecting it all to take weeks of frustration. So 'fast and painless' is pretty high praise, I think. Although if I'd been in marketing I would probably have found a way to sneak in a referral link. :p

              [–]Exotemporal 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              Bitstamp has been there forever and has a great reputation. It lets you withdraw your BTC for free, uses SegWit, batches transactions and it only takes a couple of days for your SEPA transfer to arrive in your Bitstamp account. They also allow you to buy with a credit card.

              [–]biz_owner 92 points93 points  (24 children)

              Welp, they did warn people to pull their btc before the fork

              [–]lettherebedwight 69 points70 points  (21 children)

              That's not what they're talking about - they're talking about Coinbase employees purchasing BCH ahead of the announcement that Coinbase would be listing it - knowing the announcement was coming.

              [–]Joemanthrow 26 points27 points  (14 children)

              Isn't insider trading a stock market thing?

              [–]Cozy_Conditioning 26 points27 points  (6 children)

              Fraud is a contract law thing.

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                [–]RudeTurnip 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                Insider trading is a term that is legally defined by securities regulations. If anything, this is more like market manipulation. Definitely not excusing Coinbase for unethical behavior.

                [–]Ajwf 8 points9 points  (3 children)

                Is coinbase/crypto in general regulated by the SEC? Because afaik, it's normally the SEC who investigates insider trading. And if they don't investigate, the DOJ probably won't do anything, so it's unlikely a criminal case would come from that either.

                Though admitting insider trading is possible would be admitting crypto is a stock, not a currency, and also would require you to allow it to be regulated. So... until the crypto community at large finds regulation and oversight proper, welcome to the easiest fraud of the currency creators' lives.

                [–]Instiva 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                I believe insider trading goes applies to securities holdings not just stock

                [–]Randomd0g 5 points6 points  (3 children)

                Yes. That's why this will be an interesting case, because despite crypto being different to stocks, it seems (at least to me) that it should be subject to a lot of the same laws to prevent foul play.

                However at the time coinbase did "the Bcash thing" there was no law against it, so no real crime was committed, UNLESS bitcoin is ruled to be close enough to a stock that they should have known better.

                Basically either way it sets a really interesting precident for lawmaking surrounding crypto. It's the sort of thing that does need to appear before several courts sooner or later.

                [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                For fuck's sake, didn't anyone in this thread read the article, they're not actually using insider trading as the basis for the case, here's the relevant paragraph:

                Although the complaint makes insider trading-like allegations, it cites California’s Unfair Competition Law and common law negligence as causes of action—likely due to the fact that BCH is not currently regulated as a security. The Commodities Futures Trading Corp. has said that Bitcoin is a commodity.

                [–]StrawRedditor 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                Not to mention that did they not release a roadmap like <1 week prior that said BCH was no where close to launching?

                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                What’s bullshit is that coinbase said they wouldn’t list it at all. Then 3 fucking days later sent out the email saying oops just kidding, we wanna make money so we’re listing it.

                [–]BTCChampion 54 points55 points  (16 children)

                Seriously? Article is behind a paywall, fuck that shit. But fuck Coinbase even more.

                [–]McBurger 15 points16 points  (2 children)

                Here is the entire article without paywall:

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                Coinbase is facing a new lawsuit alleging that its employees and other insiders reaped huge gains by trading on nonpublic information that the cryptocurrency exchange planned to support transactions in a Bitcoin offshoot called Bitcoin Cash.

                The class action suit, filed Thursday in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California, appears to be the first filed in a federal court alleging insider trading-like claims over Coinbase’s announcement that it would handle transactions in Bitcoin Cash last December.

                According to the complaint, insiders drove up the price of Bitcoin Cash, also called BCH, by executing buy and sell orders moments after the move by Coinbase—one of the largest cryptocurrency exchanges in the world.

                The activity caused the value of the cryptocurrency to spike by 200 percent in the minutes after trading opened on Dec. 19, the complaint adds. That led Coinbase to temporarily freeze trading, and remaining Bitcoin Cash purchasers were forced to pay “artificially inflated prices that had been manipulated well beyond the fair market value of BCH at that time,” it alleges.

                The complaint also says that, while Coinbase CEO Brian Armstrong has publicly acknowledged suspicions of insider trading and pledged to undertake an internal investigation, “to date, neither Armstrong nor the company has disclosed the result of its purported investigation.”

                The complaint was filed by Green & Noblin in Larkspur, California, and by The Grant Law Firm in New York. The named plaintiff, Jeffrey Berk, is an Arizona resident who alleges that his buy order for BCH was executed at roughly double the price as when he submitted it.

                Coinbase did not immediately respond to an email seeking comment about the lawsuit.

                Although the complaint makes insider trading-like allegations, it cites California’s Unfair Competition Law and common law negligence as causes of action—likely due to the fact that BCH is not currently regulated as a security. The Commodities Futures Trading Corp. has said that Bitcoin is a commodity.

                BCH was created last year by what is known as a “hard fork” of the Bitcoin blockchain—the creation of a variant of the original software. According to the complaint, Coinbase initially suggested it would not handle transactions in BCH. The company later said it would begin supporting some transactions in BCH in January 2018 but then abruptly changed course by opening trading on Dec. 19, the complaint alleges.

                In a subsequent blog post, a senior Coinbase manager wrote that employees were notified about a month ahead of time that support for trading in BCH was coming. Those employees “were explicitly prohibited from buying and selling BCH,” he added. “All employees were also barred from sharing this information with anyone outside of Coinbase.”

                [–]BTCChampion 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                You sir are a gentleman and a scholar

                [–]tranceology3 18 points19 points  (8 children)

                Yea... fuck, fuck, fuck.

                [–]_FreeThinker 27 points28 points  (2 children)

                Fuck Ajit Pai

                [–]Rollingrhino 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                More like a-sheit pie

                [–]Fortune090 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                ...fuck. Mother, mother fuck. Mother, mother fuck fuck.

                [–]Frogolocalypse 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                fudge.

                [–]norfbayboy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                fudge me

                [–]PappleD 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                hot fudgsicle

                [–]TheGreatMuffin[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                When I open it with my Brave browser (integrated as blocker), I don't see a paywall. But with others I do indeed. Sorry! Here's the PDF with the actual law suit: https://images.law.com/contrib/content/uploads/documents/403/11288/CoinbaseComplaint.pdf

                [–]TheGreatMuffin[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Coinbase is facing a new lawsuit alleging that its employees and other insiders reaped huge gains by trading on nonpublic information that the cryptocurrency exchange planned to support transactions in a Bitcoin offshoot called Bitcoin Cash.

                The class action suit, filed Thursday in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California, appears to be the first filed in a federal court alleging insider trading-like claims over Coinbase’s announcement that it would handle transactions in Bitcoin Cash last December.

                According to the complaint, insiders drove up the price of Bitcoin Cash, also called BCH, by executing buy and sell orders moments after the move by Coinbase—one of the largest cryptocurrency exchanges in the world

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                    [–]goldenbzzz 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                    Hey hey hey

                    [–]TrantaLocked 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                    wassa wassa wassa wassa WASSAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BITCONNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

                    [–]AnnArchist 8 points9 points  (5 children)

                    LOL its not a security. it cant be traded by 'insiders'

                    [–]valkener1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    if you believe just because it's not a stock means no market rules apply then you are mistaken. whenever you sell anything you will be subject to trade laws and and consumer protection laws

                    [–]1blockologist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    The lawsuit cites Californias Unfair Competition Law

                    Doesnt cite any federal financial regulations

                    [–]BitcoinDreaming 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                    that is frightening. anything goes then? no rules?

                    [–]oldyellowtruck 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    Have you seen a rule book?

                    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (7 children)

                    Okay but it's not insider trading because Bitcoin isn't a stock...

                    [–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (29 children)

                    Best news ever! Hopefully this will set an example.

                    [–]shanecorry 9 points10 points  (27 children)

                    Howso? I don't see how this can really be prevented any moreso than what they did already (Tell employees not to trade BCH or they could lose their jobs etc.)

                    The reality is that:

                    • 1) A lot of employees would need to know it is coming, Developers / QA / Designers to actually implement the addition, support staff to be trained in any new questions related to the addition, Finance people to set up any auditing / financial proceedures.

                    • 2) Crypto is close to anonymous, anyone can use a different fiat gateway / a non-Coinbase exchange to buy the BCH, there's no way other than giving a stern warning (that would deter some people) that they can actually prevent anyone from buying the currency, with stock exchanges they'd manage with possibly finding out from taxes / KYC on exchanges but this can all be avoided with crypto so there's no good way for them to track down offenders.

                    [–]shanita10 54 points55 points  (22 children)

                    Um, no its extremely easy to prevent. Announce the launch in advance by a month before anyone can trade. Rather than a fly by night semi secret launch and obvious pump with gimickery.

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                      [–]valkener1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                      this. they actually did announce it in advance, and then didn't keep their promise

                      [–]jockeyng 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                      They should hire some secret agents from Apple who is a specialist in hiding secret projects

                      [–]bobabouey 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                      People are dumb.

                      Demand discovery for personal emails and financial records for all employees of Coinbase who were given early notice of bitcoin cash. Some dummy will not have been private enough. Said dummy may even squeal and tell how other dummys profited more anonymously.

                      Gum shoe detective work still works in crypto.

                      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      They could have announced it well beforehand, preferably with more than one alt coin coming in but even bch could have been announced at least a week in advanced. The surprise stunt they pulled when bitcoin was collapsing of all times showed their true intent loud and clear. The man is for Ethereum and wants it to take the top spot, he has stated his predicition before that Ethereum would overtake bitcoin.

                      [–]cementshoes457 13 points14 points  (36 children)

                      So if coinbase isn't safe, wherr should I be purchasing cryptocurrency? Serious question

                      [–]CitrusEye 32 points33 points  (4 children)

                      Who said coinbase isn’t safe? They get a lot of hate around here but understand they have been in the game for several years now and are 100% legitimate exchange. Arguably more so than any other competitor. They have yet to be hacked. The customer service is questionable but it’s as “safe” as it gets in crypto. And yes the inside trading is shady AF but it’s a unregulated market. Stuff like this happens. People want decentralized and less regulation but start to cry when something like this happens.

                      If you really don’t like Coinbase maybe look at Gemini.

                      [–]Nero0012 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                      Couldnt the same be said about mtgox until it went south?

                      [–]lps2 16 points17 points  (2 children)

                      What about coinbase is unsafe?

                      [–]PM__YOUR__GOOD_NEWS 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                      Most exchanges are fine, just don't keep your money there.

                      Remember: they're exchanges, not banks.

                      [–]turnonethought 1 point2 points  (6 children)

                      From a dex

                      [–]profbalr 1 point2 points  (5 children)

                      How do you go from Fiat to crypto from a DEX?

                      [–]paultroon 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                      [–]profbalr 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                      Interesting I haven't seen this. Have you tried it with USD?

                      [–]the_smallest_doll 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      I use Kraken, but keep in mind it's a bit of a process to verify to Tier Three, which is the first tier where you're able deposit US currency

                      [–]DesignerAccount 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Bitstamp.

                      [–]astrogreens 9 points10 points  (1 child)

                      “Inside trading is a non-crime” -roger ver Wonder how much longer till he goes back to jail for something.

                      [–]DesignerAccount 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Not long... people like him it's only a matter of time.

                      [–]laninsterJr 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                      If found guilty, Ver could be extradited to US to face the charges.

                      [–]cayennepepper 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      It's an unregulated market. what groun does this lawsuit really have? Its shitty but thats what you get for investing into the wild west. you get wild west action. Lol.

                      can't believe people are this stupid. No. you take a high risk investing into crypto with no consumer rights or protection. Dont cry when it doesn't work out for you.

                      [–]CromulentDucky 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      Saw someone sell about $4M worth of Neo about 30 minutes before the listing of BCash. It looked really strange at the time, and then really obvious that someone just made millions on insider news.

                      [–]Draco1200 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                      The plaintiff might have a point, if the allegation is correct.... that they placed an order to buy BCH from Coinbase at one price, and then Coinbase executed the order at nearly twice the price they showed when he placed the order.

                      As far as I know when you BUY a good or service, the merchant has to provide it to you at Exactly the price you were shown at the time you committed the purchase, not 1.5x the price, not 1.3x the price, but 1.0x the price every time.

                      The exception would be if the buyer was on a trading exchange and committed a MARKET order to buy the good from whoever on the market is selling the item at the best price ---- in other words a buy order matched against the best sell order; in that case the buyer specifically orders the brokerage to match them with a seller and give them their price without knowing it ahead of time; in which case there'd be no claim against the broker ---- they didn't decide what the price would be, the seller decided.

                      [–]Blorgsteam 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      Hey hey heeeeeeeey

                      Conbaaaaaaaaaasseeeeee

                      [–]ImReallyHuman 19 points20 points  (6 children)

                      how about single handedly being responsible for clogging the bitcoin network by not batching transactions & not implementing segwit and then pretending like you had to add BCH/Bcash because of community backlash on high fees? The same high fees coinbase is itself responsible for introducing through their incompetence and negligence.

                      [–]HoneyNutsNakamoto 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                      One upvote is not enough for this comment.

                      [–]llewsor 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                      ^ this guy bitcoins

                      [–]Kraigius 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      The network is decentralized, right? So anyone can use the network how he pleases. Miners are paid, coins are exchanged. They are legitimate transactions.

                      If a single actor (coinbase) became responsible for clogging the network by not batching tx & not implementing segwit, then it demonstrates a far bigger problem with the network and the fault isn't on coinbase.

                      So it beg the question, if this use case is so detrimental to the health of the network, why is it allowed to occur? Why isn't there a solution with the network? The problem was there waiting to happen and everyone knew about it.

                      You can't force bitcoin users to batch & use segwit, right? So until there's a permanent solution, anyone can clog the network if they do enough transactions on the chain.

                      [–]drippingthighs 6 points7 points  (3 children)

                      How do I join this class action settlement

                      [–]PM__YOUR__GOOD_NEWS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Wait a few years, see if they even settle.

                      [–]Marcion_Sinope 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                      I'm trying to shed a tear for Coinbase but I can't find any.

                      [–]Trayf 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                      No shit? 🙄

                      [–]TravisHaupt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      Bitcoin will always be the OG in my books.

                      [–]_m0use_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      100%. Just from $1k to $8k

                      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      lock Armstrong up!

                      [–]Biswajitreddit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      relly good bitcoins

                      [–]cmarucco 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Duh

                      [–]ccjohncc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Not surprised. When they suddenly and with no exclamation disabled my ability to buy and then would ignore my requests for help I knew something is not right. I closed my account and opened one with Gemini. Smartest thing I did. Good riddance CB!

                      [–]niktemadur 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                      Everything about the vercash shitcoin has been surrounded by toxicity and the strong stench of fraud since day one, I still don't get how it's so high up in market cap, who the hell uses it, other than Tokyo Bitclown and his troll minions?

                      [–]SedatedSpaceMonkeys 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Well...time to get my crummy little hands in on this.

                      [–]This_is_a_rubbery 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                      This "article" is one paragraph long and cites no sources. Wtf...law.com... really? You anti-coinbase shills are just as bad as the coinbase shills.

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                        [–]coozyorcosie 6 points7 points  (6 children)

                        The price shot up to around $8000 in just a few minutes. The people who FOMO bought at that ridiculous high are the ones who are the victims.

                        The insiders are the ones who knew the launch was coming and used the thin order book to manipulate the price upward and dump their coins at the artificially inflated price to the unlucky FOMOers.

                        [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

                        The people who FOMO bought at that ridiculous high are the ones who are the victims.

                        They're only victims of their own stupidity. You can't legislate that away.

                        [–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (7 children)

                        The price of BTC fucking plummeted by over $1000 the second BCH was added to Coinbase. I know I’m not the only person who was on Gdax at that moment when suddenly the price goes from $18500 or so to low $17000s in about a minute. Then Gdax website goes down for many, only to come back up 30 min later with BCH added.

                        The crash all the way down to $8000 began the literal moment BCH was added.

                        Look here at the price of BTC in Dec 2017. BCH was added to Coinbase on Dec 19. Check out that huge $6000 drop.

                        Additionally, there is the issue of the price of BCH surging to over $8000 on Coinbase in under an hour after it was added, despite the fact every other exchange was trading it for around $3000.

                        [–]njtrafficsignshopper 7 points8 points  (2 children)

                        OK I am all for accountability but we are not seriously going to try to pin the dip from ATH on the Coinbase BCH launch, are we?

                        [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                        Not exclusively at all. But there was a flash crash immediately following BCH being added. The trend obviously continued downward for almost all cryptos from there.

                        [–]shanita10 6 points7 points  (11 children)

                        The "victims" are the lawyers.

                        to be fair though, coinbase racked this up with their unprofessional launch

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                            [–]Exotemporal 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                            These people bought into /r/btc's "flippening" narrative that BCH was replacing BTC and panicked. I don't have an account at Coinbase, but I suspect that all it took was to make an order at market price and you could easily end up with $6000 BCH in your Coinbase wallet if you factor in the lag.

                            [–]johnmal85 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            You don't even need lag with a market order. If your purchase is big enough to eat up a thin wall, and the next sell order is $1000 more cost, it will buy part of that too, to complete the purchase.

                            [–]hedgedescrow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            i couldnt sell at 4k. i'm taking them to court

                            [–]nimmajjishaaTa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            Grabs popcorn, soda and watches this carefully.

                            [–]chocolatesouffle3 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                            Although the complaint makes insider trading-like allegations, it cites California’s Unfair Competition Law and common law negligence as causes of action—likely due to the fact that BCH is not currently regulated as a security.

                            [–]TheFutureofMoney 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                            Coinbase will have to testify for their sins.....

                            [–]tipsyemirati 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            So happy about this! I guarantee this will happen with the next coin that’s added to coinbase!

                            [–]geigerstunt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            Fucking duh

                            [–]DesignerAccount 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            Fuck. Yeah.

                            [–]signos_de_admiracion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            I'm no insider but I benefited greatly from the way they handled the Bitcoin Cash launch. I sold all of mine when it was near the ATH of $4000. If it wasn't for Coinbase, I would have sold them long before that. Thanks, Coinbase!

                            [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                            claim. allegedly.