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[–][deleted] 736 points737 points  (255 children)

I almost bought a single bit coin in 2011 for $11.... I royally screwed by not going through with it

[–][deleted] 894 points895 points  (123 children)

You lost out on ~2k. I tried to buy £400 worth when they were $0.10 each but gave up as it was a hassle to buy back then. Current value would be $9.3 mil

[–]_Rox 26 points27 points  (1 child)

You likely would have sold by now so don't feel too bad.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (2 children)

I bought at 900 bucks. Easy to say: I was going to... Harder to put your money where your mouth is. You could always buy Bitcoin now.

BTC 106 USD 2030. You heard it here first.

[–]dwild 4 points5 points  (1 child)

The funny thing is, a bitcoin will actually need to be worth much more to become "global".

There's a maximum of 21 millions Bitcoin that's going to be mined (except if they change the algorithm) which funnily enough will happen near 2030 (it won't actually really happen before 2140, but we will be really really close to 21 millions in 2030).

There's at least $25 trillions in the US alone. Just to support that economy, it means a value of $1.2 million by Bitcoin.

I feel like that's going to be an issue and will push alternative to be even bigger (which is actually happening right now).

If you believe in the long term usage of Bitcoin, then the currebt price isn't so bad.

[–]avsa 5 points6 points  (8 children)

It was cheap because it was a hassle and a lot of people don't buy stuff that is hard to buy

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (7 children)

no it was cheap because you couldn't do anything with them yet, they were just some thing some guy made up and uploaded.

I'll sell you 1000 yellow_viper bucks for 0.10$ each, and I'll accept any payment method.

[–]KnowFuturePro 5 points6 points  (3 children)

What about Stanley nickels?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can exchange at a 100:1 ratio but there is a $5 cash conversion fee

[–]ItWorkedLastTime 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Yeah, but then you might have been tempted to sell it when it hit $500 and then still hate yourself today.

Since bitcoins will run in the future, individual bitcoins might continue growing in value. What if they will be worth $10,000 next year? Or $100,000? Nobody really knows.

[–]travistravis 23 points24 points  (3 children)

I did buy about 10 bitcoin around that time for £20 each.

Sadly I spent them all on Silk Road. I could definitely have more fun with £10k now than however much fun I had with the stuff I bought.

[–]HairdawgTheKing 57 points58 points  (45 children)

I wanted bitcoin when I first discovered what it was when it was under a dollar. Too bad I was young and poor and couldn't afford anything. I begged my parents for a computer to let me mine it, but they didn't believe in it. There went my shot at being a millionaire before 30 lol - although I still think bitcoin has a very long way to go, and could still potentially make a lot of people a lot of money. Limited supply and only growing demand and acceptance will really put bitcoin on the financial map in the coming years. Wouldn't surprise me if it broke a 1T market cap by 2023.

[–]jjonj 24 points25 points  (19 children)

Hope you're giving your folks a hard time about it.

[–]Choco_Churro_Charlie 4 points5 points  (1 child)

He should install a ticker app on their phones as a daily reminder.

[–]TheSommer 6 points7 points  (1 child)

20-20 Hindsight

[–]TheROckIng 13 points14 points  (16 children)

Issue with bitcoin is the altcoins, Ethereum is a nice prospect too as it allow for smart contract and faster transaction ( and cheaper!). Ltc is another one. However, BTC is so big that it keeps growing and is more stable compared to the other. I.e: Ethereum has a lot of people who own big chunk of it allowing them to just control the market. BTC could, potentially one day, fall to another token. Though I'm not too sure about that because of BTC widespread popularity you would need a truly remarkable token to take it completely down.

[–]ChuckinTheCarma 19 points20 points  (16 children)

I actually did own 0.9 BTC back when it was around $200. I sold when it hit $400.

I want to trade hindsight for foresight.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (13 children)

Do I hold on to my 0.032 bitcoin? Or cash it in for the whopping $58?

[–]Kwetla 23 points24 points  (7 children)

Hold it. It might be worth thousands some day, and you won't miss 60 dollars.

[–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (6 children)

You don't know how poor I am...
EDIT: If only Reddit Gold was valuable!!

[–]mikepictor 12 points13 points  (1 child)

If you need $58, then sell it and get your $58. If you don't need it, then keep the bits and see what happens

Even if it keeps climbing, it won't be worth thousands next year. You aren't retiring in your $58 worth.

[–]w0rkac 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you need the cash - sell now while it's high. Buy again when it inevitable crashes. Boom.

[–]ChuckinTheCarma 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I have not yet been successful trading hindsight for foresight.

Hindsight tells me you should have bought more bitcoin in the first place. It also tells me I should have bought more bitcoin as well.

[–]LextheDewey 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I found .04 in my btc-e wallet yesterday and cashed it in for $80, then found .02 in my coinbase wallet that i forgot about a while ago. SO i got like $120...which i am reinvesting into LTC :) Hooray bad memory!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Sounds like you made an easy $200. You should be happy

[–]ChuckinTheCarma 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Investor part of my brain is happy. Gambler part of the brain is not. Logical part of my brain is okay with those outcomes.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (2 children)

You can still buy some BTC now. Otherwise you may be posting in 2023 when a bitcoin is worth $20k saying you almost bought in at $1,800 but missed the opportunity.

[–]tekdemon 3 points4 points  (1 child)

While that would be great gains missing out on 10x gains isn't the same kind of thing. In the early days you could have invested like twenty bucks and be worth tens of millions now. That level of utterly crazy growth isn't coming back. I do hope to see a $25k bitcoin someday though, but who knows if it'll get there. It's either gonna happen or it'll be worthless. But so far it's persisted so who knows.

[–]s3k2p7s9m8b5 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That's the exact same thing people said when it hit $1 in 2009, then $10, then $100, now over $1000 and will continue to say at $10,000, $100,000...and so on.

This is the best bitcoin investment advice I've seen:

Dollar cost average by buying what you can afford to lose every week.

It is always a good time to buy bitcoin if you are holding long term and not just for day trading. Don't wait for the price to drop significantly again, because you could be waiting forever:

“The best time to buy bitcoin was a few years ago, the second best time is now”.

Don't be like----> these guys

[–]Bitcoin_Acolyte 10 points11 points  (0 children)

People who didn't buy a Bitcoin a month ago feel the same way.

[–]EmmaTheHedgehog 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My buddies brother had a ton of them he won way back when. (I think he won then anyways, not sure) He then gambled them all away. Pretty sure he still has no idea what he lost and I'm sure not gonna tell him.

[–]Fenrik84 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I actually thought about buying about 10€ worth back when I first heard about them. They were about ~10c each then. But stupid me decided "Nah, what for?"

[–]KarmaKingKong 1 point2 points  (3 children)

buy altcoins then

[–]MurrayTheMonster 1 point2 points  (2 children)

But which alt-coins are going to succeed? There are literally hundreds of them?

Maybe XEM, maybe Dash, maybe Monero, hell, maybe even Ripple. Lots to choose from. Screw it, just bought $1000 worth of XEM. Wish me luck boys!

[–]SchismSEO 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I almost bought 100 for 1.00 each. You're telling me!

[–]Kidbeninn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're not alone.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (11 children)

could still buy in dez 2016 for 200 and sell now for 8x more. Quite nice for just 5 months. It's not that simple though as you need to ensure not getting scammed buying/selling and taxes are another matter.

[–]TheDragonsForce 86 points87 points  (23 children)

Anyone got any theories on what may have caused the search spike at the end of 2016?

[–]theWyzzerd 68 points69 points  (4 children)

Probably Gladiacoin. I have this coworker who won't shut up about it.

EDIT: It started up in November of last year. It's like a MLM/Ponzi scheme for Bitcoin trading.

[–]Throwaway199854 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Fake id vendors using bitcoin

[–]MurrayTheMonster 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There are actually several ponzi schemes that use bitcoin now. It makes some sense since bitcoin's value has been rising. The ponzi leaders don't have to do anything to make money other than wait for the price to rise. When bitcoin corrects, hopefully some of these schemes will die out.

I've heard of one in the Philippines and another in Nigeria.

[–]TheROckIng 11 points12 points  (7 children)

lots of factor. A big one I know is Venezuela has a lot of people moving its money into bitcoins due to inflation. Another ( although not sure if that happened at the end of 2016 or more recently) reason is also that a lot of chinese are moving their money towards crypto to hide money away. This is just information I gathered from different articles, so I could be 100% wrong

[–]SchismSEO 3 points4 points  (6 children)

I read Australia is adopting it officially July 1st as well.

[–]smokeddino 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure what you mean by "adopting it officially" -- I think you mean they're recognizing it as currency, thus stopping double taxation on it.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/australia-will-recognize-bitcoin-as-money-and-protect-bitcoin-businesses-no-taxes

[–]markayates 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also discussion about possible bitcoin backed funds. Winklevoss twins have a few $100m in the coins (back when they were $300 each) and were wanting an electronic fund started.

Usual talk of them being accepted in more places.

Various stuff going on in China between crack-downs and relaxation of crack-downs.

[–]Antinode_ 60 points61 points  (11 children)

Bit offtopic, but I had just got a new job in 2014 and a few months in, the IT guys all got fired because they installed bitcoin miners on everyone's workstations that mined at night. Years later the software hadnt been completely removed and was causing random issues here and there.. I wonder if it was still going into their wallets?

[–]RoastedRhino 52 points53 points  (1 child)

It is.

[–]lukeharangody 36 points37 points  (0 children)

It's like office space. That's dope.

[–]Sluisifer 19 points20 points  (7 children)

CPU mining hardly nets anything, so it's not a huge amount. Definitely costs your company a lot in electricity costs, though.

[–]Antinode_ 10 points11 points  (4 children)

It'd probably add up fast with 500 stations that you don't pay for at all

[–]Sluisifer 31 points32 points  (2 children)

Not really. A typical good workstation CPU from the era can do maybe 5 million hashes per second, 10 on the higher end. Let's just assume 2 thousand megahash (2 giga-hash) for the lot because most company CPUs are pretty shit. The situation is pretty different if these are e.g. CAD workstations with GPUs.

In 2014, the overall hash rate was about 10,000 Thash per second.

25BTC block reward * 52,500 blocks in 2014 = 1312500 BTC mined.

Divide by 10 million, then double it, to get your IT guy's share for a grand total of 0.26 BTC. And that's only if they mine 24/7 for a whole year.

At current prices, that's $500 split between however many IT guys, who all lost their jobs as a result. Yeah, I'd hardly call that adding up fast. It was only about $50 at 2014 prices, too.

If they were GPU workstations, then at best you're looking at a 100 fold improvement, and that's for pretty high-end shit in 2014. So $50,000, roughly, for today's prices, or $5,000 for 2014. Current hash rate is well over a million Thash, so just go ahead and drop that to perhaps $50 for mining all of 2016.


https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Non-specialized_hardware_comparison

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison

https://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate?scale=1&timespan=all

[–]SecondNadOC: 2[S] 261 points262 points  (139 children)

With bitcoin hitting an all time high, I wanted to determine if there were some way of determining if its value was primarily driven by speculation. I realize this doesn't really prove that, but it's interesting to see that search traffic tends to lead spikes in value. It would be interesting to plot this against the number of bitcoin occurrences in headlines.
Data came from google trends and Coinbase records downloaded from Bitcoincharts API. The datasets were merged using a pretty simple python script which output to CSV, charts then made using google sheets. If anyone is interested in the raw data or the script, let me know.

[–]Best_of_the_Worst 97 points98 points  (92 children)

I actually did some research on this. From an economic perspective (my thesis was) that bitcoin becomes more valuable the more people are willing to accept it as a medium of exchange. Ideally I think you would chart price against a dated list of retailers who accept bitcoin weighted by revenue.

The conclusion of what I'm almost certain was flawed econometrics was that bitcoin's "internal metrics" such as cost to mine a bitcoin or transaction fees had an impact on price. Google and Wikipedia views had a positive relationship, but not at a significant level iirc.

[–]bergamer 34 points35 points  (46 children)

My thesis was that bitcoin becomes more valuable the more people are willing to accept it as a medium of exchange

Isn't it the exact definition of a currency value?

From early empires' coins to the recent greek crisis, it's all a question of trust that the other person will accept such or such currency for what it's supposed to be worth.

[–]grantaking 24 points25 points  (25 children)

Yes, but that doesn't directly translate to gains or losses in value for established currencies. The USD and other reserve currencies, for example, are already widely accepted as a medium of exchange by basically everyone in the world. Gains or losses in their value are determined by other things like macroeconomic factors and carry trade.

Bitcoin is in a unique position because it isn't tied to the economy of any country or group of countries, and is also just a much newer idea, so I guess the question of who accepts it becomes much more important.

[–]Best_of_the_Worst 3 points4 points  (8 children)

Yes and no. I agree with your definition of currencies. However where most currencies are valued by their governments debt, trade balances, interest rates and so on, BTC doesnt have those metrics; its value must be based on something else (once again, my hypothesis was that the 'something else' is suppy/demand.

I also considered an alternative though, that the price is influenced only by speculators, and BTC has no rational, fundamental method of valuation.

[–]NocturnalEpy 5 points6 points  (7 children)

Which currency would you hold up as the poster child of a rock solid method of valuation?

[–]Uilamin 7 points8 points  (7 children)

bitcoin becomes more valuable the more people are willing to accept it as a medium of exchange

Bitcoin is built around the concept of a limited supply. If demand grows faster than supply (estimated by people willing to accept) then you will see the price of it increase. That is all fine... and actually how most currencies get their value relative to others.

Where Bitcoin gets ugly is that there is a maximum number that can be mined so at one point supply growth stops while demand may continue. This is where the flawed economics can quickly kick in.

flawed econometrics was that bitcoin's "internal metrics" such as cost to mine a bitcoin or transaction fees had an impact on price

The cost to mine limits the supply. By limiting supply growth you are manipulating supply v demand.

Transactions fees do the opposite. They limit demand. A cost to acquire or use Bitcoin limits its acceptance.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (6 children)

a dated list of retailers

I have been a bitcoiner for a long time, and my view is that retailers do not have much to do with value of bitcoin. Bitcoin transaction fees are now $1-2, so that kills a lot of the lower-value purchase use cases (e.g., coffee). Instead of using bitcoin to make purchases, people seem to be using it as a store of value. If anything, the number of retailers now is lower than in 2015, but the price of bitcoin is 6x higher.

I like to think of bitcoin as digital gold. Practically no one accepts gold for purchases, but it still has a high value.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I came to the same conclusion. I think it's funny how excited speculators are about transaction volumes when those are just buy/sell orders at the exchanges or transfers between wallets. Digital gold, nothing more, nothing less.

[–]manly_ 5 points6 points  (2 children)

That's the problem I have with it personally. I see the rising tx fees (0.70$ USD on a small tx currently, if not more) as making bitcoin less and less attractive. It's already to the point where I'm not entirely sure it's an improvement over using a credit card on everyday spendings, if there even were a lot of stores accepting bitcoins. And a new store considering adding support might have a serious requestioning the move depending on what they sell.

[–]Cleverbeans 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I think people in affluent nations won't use it as a medium of exchange until the volatility matches existing currency. If local currency is erratic like say, in Venezuela then Bitcoin is attractive and might eventually build enough volume to become viable. Even then hoarding is still going to be a problem for a long time. I'm still skeptical.

[–]MrRGnome 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Skeptical is good. The best default position. Bitcoin has an average volatility of about ~2.5% the last year which is significantly more than ~0.5% usd/gold and ~0.3% of usd/eur.

That said, bitcoin has held its value much better than any traditional currency the last two years. It has had less negative volatility than pretty much anything. It has done especially well against the ruble, bolivar, and rupee where bitcoin has been a safe haven asset for locals looking to avoid undesirable inflation or economic contexts. It has also done extremely well against the yen and usd despite no adverse economic contexts, where investors see bitcoin as a useful hedge due to its lack of traditional correlation to other asset classes. IMO bitcoin is carving out a very substantial if not niche market for itself as a digital commodity, risk hedging, remittance enabling, safe haven asset.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Depending on the time. Wikipedia views are more of an influencer at the beginning of bitcoin. I agree, now bitcoin is its own economy. The long term rise in bitcoin means more people use it. Did you publish a paper? Care to share?

[–]Best_of_the_Worst 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I'll dig it up later tonight, along with some more advanced papers which I based my research on.

[–]JackBauerCSGO 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What's interesting now is that the current volume of transactions shouldn't really justify the price we're seeing. It's lower than usual, but price is skyrocketing. Which is why I'm on the sidelines and not participating.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

I disagree with your hypothesis. The reality is that Bitcoin has far more in common with gold bullion than it does with any currency. It's just easier to trade electronic "gold" than it is to buy or sell actual gold. I would suggest that the actual utility of Bitcoin is 99.9999% owners use it as store of value (investment) and .0001% as a currency. The majority of transactions are buy/sell/transfer at the exchanges, not at Amazon or the grocery store. It's far less convenient to buy Bitcoin to then buy something somewhere else. What I think is hilarious is that Bitcoin promoters can't let go of the fact that the system is not a viable currency. They think that higher adoption will reduce volatility. That isn't based on ANY economic or financial theory. Nations bring stability to their currency through monetary supply and fiscal policy. Bitcoin lacks a nation and has no flexibility in its (fixed) supply. This means it will remain volatile like gold. Also, since it has no country and citizens that only deal in it, anyone who is using it as a currency is unnecessarily subjecting themselves to commodity risk. It's not saving anyone time or money in transaction processing. Business owners have to pay bills in their nation's currency, which means if they accept Bitcoin, they have to cash it out, which just takes days to do (wire transfer). My final say is, no matter how much adoption in terms of accepting Bitcoin and using it in transactions increases, bitcoins cannot achieve pricing stability because the primary use will always be a store of value (investment).

[–]crayfishkilla 2 points3 points  (1 child)

From an economic perspective, the limited supply of bit coin will drive its value. This leads to hoarding, which implies a impending failure of Bitcoin as a medium of exchange.

[–]sqrt7744 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Using "flawed" as an adjective to "econometrics" is redundant.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

you could do the same thing for other big cryptocurrencies. at this point, that would not be a lot of additional work - but might show that all cryptocurrencies work in similar fashion

[–]NokahHKA 5 points6 points  (7 children)

Wow I didn't realize bitcoin was still growing. I thought it would have balanced out by now.

[–]loveforyouandme 5 points6 points  (6 children)

Unlike fiat, Bitcoin's supply is limited. That means its price will continue to increase over the long term so long as demand is increasing. In terms of adoption, its still in the early days.

[–]drakiR 3 points4 points  (5 children)

And this is IMO it's major flaw. The fact that it has a limited supply ensures a rise in "value" as demand increases. This rise in "value" incentivises saving rather than spending as the rise in bitcoin price may outweigh the gain you get from taking the risk of spending it. The blockchain technology is amazing but Bitcoin isn't an ideal implementation of it as a currency as it's extremely illiquid and incentivises saving. It also puts an unacceptable amount of power into the hands of the few early adopters. I would really love to hear a dissenting opinion though.

[–]loveforyouandme 1 point2 points  (4 children)

The constant encouragement of spending, growth, and profit is consumeristic. It's destroying our planet.

Planet health aside: inflation is the process of central banks (in the case of fiat) creating more money to keep the value of our currency constantly decreasing at ~2% a year. First, what this does is concentrates wealth into the hands of the people that have the ability to create and spend the money first. That does not include us little people. Second, inflation is the opposite of what should be happening. As our civilization is advancing, it takes less time and resources to produce an equivalent output. This is the case across basically all production. So why, then, should prices be increasing? What makes sense is the dollar should grow stronger with every passing day since production is becoming more efficient. Devaluing currency is actually the opposite of what should be happening.

[–]drakiR 3 points4 points  (3 children)

The reason we want 2% inflation rather than deflation is to discourage Uncle Scrooge from locking up all his money in a bin where they are a utility to nobody. I would say that the massive increase in liquidity(spending) the last 100 years have directly caused the increased wealth(aka human wellbeing) of our society today. What is destroying our planet is mostly bad technology(carbon based energy).

But the part that worries me the most is the extreme power-gap inherent in Bitcoin. A few extremely wealthy early adopters will have massive anonomous power. Imagine what the Koch brothers could do if they knew nobody could trace anything back to them.

[–]geezbruv 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Interested in the raw data and the script pls

[–]SecondNadOC: 2[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I've sent it to you in a PM

[–]Ninjanrd 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Could I also take a look at it? Thanks!

[–]FrontierPsycho 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You haven't included the closure of Silk Road, which caused an instant and significant dip in BitCoin value, which I would guess also coincided with people googling for it a lot. That would be interesting.

[–]t3tsubo 2 points3 points  (1 child)

interesting to see that search traffic tends to lead spikes in value

It's unclear on the data which causes which, just that they are correlated.

[–]Snsps21OC: 2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I think you could argue that sudden spikes in bitcoin's value could lead to higher google search interest.

[–]iktkhe 25 points26 points  (9 children)

I bet the guy that purchased a burger in the beginning for like 30k bitcoins i think it was, regrets that decision deeply now.

[–]BashCo 39 points40 points  (2 children)

It was a pizza actually, and it only cost 10k bitcoins back in 2010, which was a pretty good deal considering it was the first recorded Bitcoin payment. That's only worth about $18.6 million today, and pizza is pizza.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137.0

[–]TheFormidableSnowman 24 points25 points  (0 children)

pizza rises over time too though, so it balances out

source: have cooked pizza

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (4 children)

if it was never used as actual money it'd be completely worthless right now

[–]TriamondG 11 points12 points  (3 children)

This guy gets it. The only legitimate value of bitcoin rests in its applications. If people weren't spending it, then it's just the next tulip or beenie baby hype train.

FWIW I don't think the current price is sustainable at all. Bitcoin can be worth this much (and more) but it needs to gain that value through mass adoption of applications, not through speculation.

[–]DanWillHor 24 points25 points  (30 children)

Everyone has this story but I had a chance to buy a ton of Bitcoin back in July of 2011 (IIRC). I'm pretty sure it was July 2011 due to who I was with and where but I'm worn out, on a long road trip home and hungry. We all stop in a McDonald's that has TVs on the walls and the news is talking about Bitcoin falling to a few bucks overnight. I remember telling my cousin what it was and she was bored (ha). I ate my fries and we all finished the trek home.

Later that night I have a good friend wake me from a nap and link me to a forum where groups of people that owned a lot of Bitcoin were offloading them for cheap. We tried to mine it back in the early days with hopes of making money but we didn't stick with it. Yet, we always spoke of how we could invest in old computers to mine them, etc. Anyway, I go to the forum.

Most wanted around $20-30 per, some higher and some lower. However, one group was selling for $4 per but you had to buy a minimum of 50. I feared (in order) a scam, Bitcoin never regaining value and loss of an immediate chunk of cash. Why even sell that low, right? Maybe they had so many that $4 was some recoup on investment? Still, I passed like a chump idiot mook with donkey brains but the site looked sketchy and as if it were made an hour before.

Friend bought his own lot and has most to this day. I can't talk to him without hearing about it so I rarely do (ha). He sold less than 5 about a year ago for a couple grand and he still has over 50 that I know of for sure. He had over 100 at one point and I know that's nothing compared to some people but he spent $4 a piece for his.

Not sure of the price atm but I know $4 of bitcoin is about 1/40th of a single bitcoin. Roughly.

TL;DR Should have risked a few hundred bucks but I'm apparently a cheapskate moron and my buddy isn't except for all the time when I'm not and he is.

[–]TheFormidableSnowman 10 points11 points  (7 children)

Meh, all things considered, at that time, you made the right decision in a way. You couldn't have known it was gonna explode and it does sound really scammy. Everyone in the world had the 'opportunity' to buy them early, but it'd be stupid to invest to invest in something you knew nothing about.

Not sure of the price atm but I know $4 of bitcoin is about 1/40th of a single bitcoin. Roughly.

A bitcoin is worth $1850 so $4 would be about 1/450th of a full bitcoin

[–]DanWillHor 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Yeah, that's been my rationale for a while. It did look very scammy at the moment and I'd have likely sold when it was back to $400-500.

I just found out today, in this thread, the current price (ha). It was a few hundred last I checked so another quick sting and back at suppressing the "what if".

[–]TheFormidableSnowman 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Yup they've risen over 300% in 12 months. You can still invest, just be able to afford to lose every penny you put in

[–]RedZeppelin00 43 points44 points  (8 children)

There was a bot on Reddit about 4 years ago that tipped bitcoins for a brief time. I was lucky enough to get tipped and held onto it since.

Edit: the bot /u/bitcointip

I was tipped 0.03BTC at the time which was worth about 2.79USD. Now that 0.03BTC is worth about 62USD.

[–]_Citizen_Erased_ 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Wow. You could get a gram of heroin on TOR browser shipped to your house in 3 days. I find that hilarious. Thanks for the tip, now I'm a junkie.

[–]Antranik 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Same here man, someone gave me a dogecoin tip and it's now $44!

[–]why_rob_y 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Oh, right, I definitely got tipped by that thing. I don't know if I ever collected though - am I shit outta luck?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ChangeTip? I got an email when they went out of business last year saying there was 0.1 BTC in my account. It's like finding $180 in your pocket!

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (10 children)

  1. Buy bitcoin(s)
  2. Raise more publicity about bitcoin and get more searches going
  3. ???
  4. Profit

[–]DannySpud2 9 points10 points  (1 child)

This is actually a real problem, it's really hard to get unbiased information about things like Bitcoin because a ton of people have a ton of money invested in them. "This is good for Bitcoin" is a common shitpost/comment whenever there is bad news or price drops.

[–]SchismSEO 13 points14 points  (6 children)

I'm a teacher and make sure to teach all my econ students about it! ;) Doing my part!

[–]aahxzen 3 points4 points  (4 children)

opportunist... like a true economist.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

teaching about what a bubble is hopefully

[–]RadicalDog 27 points28 points  (7 children)

Something I'm seeing from this thread is that Bitcoin was so damn hard to buy, that everyone was "almost" rich even though only a few people actually are.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is/was.

Sure, if your were tech savvy and in the loop you could even have mined your own. But for the average person, it's basically ghost story's.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Are you in the USA? It is easy to make an account at Coinbase, Gemini, or Kraken if you are interested in buying.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

RadicalDog is saying years ago Bitcoin was more difficult to buy, not now.

[–]jonjivOC: 1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think OP means in the past, when Bitcoin was literal cents, it was hard to buy. And I would probably agree with that thought. None of those services existed then.

[–]markayates 7 points8 points  (2 children)

There was some bloke in the news in the UK. Had bought about £20 worth at <1p each when he was a student. 3 years pass and he throws away the old HDD. Week later he reads in the news about them being £100 each! Current value £4m or something. There was BBC news video of him walking round the landfill site looking for it. He was pissed then. Must be 10x worse now....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-25134289

[–]zb401 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Friend of mine, who is currently in jail, told me we should each throw down $1000 and buy a shit load of bitcoin. Said it would be the future. Price was around $0.50 or something very close. We came to an agreement that we would hold it for 10 years, and then make a decision on whether to sell, or stay vested. It came time to make the purchase, but he had blown most of the money he set aside on drugs. We called it off and never really pursued it.

Fuck me.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Man.... the amount of drugs he could buy with that type of money....

[–]markayates 6 points7 points  (5 children)

I bought 4 off a bloke in the street on his phone. He normally sold gold/silver coins. Paid about £70 each for my first 2. £120 each for my next 2. Now at £1450 each. Thought it was dodgy - turned out to be legit and he was a good guy. I still have them on my PC. Bit worried about losing them... copied 0.1 to my phone - then lost my old phone. Bet the person who got the phone didn't even know what the bitcoin app with them on was! He'd have £145 now - more than the Samsung S2 was worth at the time.

[–]blaze_dis_one 4 points5 points  (3 children)

use a wallet with a mnemonic passcode you can write down and remember - happened to me - my pc died - re-installed wallet on new pc, typed it in, voila, still had them

[–]JAPaulson 4 points5 points  (9 children)

I tried to "mine" bitcoins and never found one, this was back in 2014. Evidently, you need specialized machines to do it now.

[–]blaze_dis_one 2 points3 points  (8 children)

You can mine other cryptocurrencies profitably with a home computer running a few graphics cards.

[–]CyborgJunkie 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Which ones?

[–]Xalteox 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ethereum is the big one at the moment. It was designed to prevent asics from taking over the miner pool and is currently one of the bigger cryptocurrencies (2nd or 3rd behind bitcoin in market share).

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[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (16 children)

How do you know the rise in value isn't making people search for it more?

[–]Cyno01 2 points3 points  (3 children)

It has for me, i know its been rising like crazy lately, so i keep checking to see if the remainder from last time i bought drugs is enough to buy more drugs with yet.

[–]m7samuel 11 points12 points  (4 children)

PSA: Please no one take investing advice from any of these comments. They're equal parts sunk cost fallacy, attempts to time the market, and willful ignoring of opportunity cost.

[–]Clever_Userfame 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Very interesting correlation.. I wonder if the inverse will be true: if people stop taking interest in bitcoin, it will stagnate and maybe devalue. I suppose the causation is inherent within the relationship between bitcoin consumer interest, acquirement and trade.

[–]markayates 2 points3 points  (1 child)

clever -but might as well chart Hollywood actor wages per film vs people who've heard of that person (googled their name). They would argue the more people have heard of them - the more people will search for them / the more interest in them.

Basically - people who haven't heard of something aren't going to search for it, and vice versa!

[–]WrongRighter 2 points3 points  (11 children)

What would happen if someone secretly created a quantum computer then stole everybody's bitcoin wallets with a brute force attack from a quantum computer? Would they be billionaires?

[–]Brewster-Rooster 13 points14 points  (7 children)

That makes no sense at all. And if someone did happen to 'steal' everyones bitcoin, the currency would become completely worthless, and all they'd own is a number.

[–]RoastedRhino 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you create a computer capable of breaking the encryption in Bitcoin, then stealing bitcoins is not the most profitable thing you can do with that.

[–]drunkencow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I love how the one of the biggest reasons bitcoins took off in price was the shutdown of Silk Road. An underground drug trading system got a digital currency to multiply in price by a stupid amount.

[–]huntargh 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Google:

What is Bitcoin? How does Bitcoin work? How to buy Bitcoin? Will Bitcoin fit in my butt?

[–]1kexperimentdotcom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Got me to laugh. +1.

[–]UnknownPerson69 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why buy Btc when you can trade it against the major currency pairs. I think that's where the $$$ is. Not in the product but how volition it is.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Great vizz! How do you normalize the values. Avoiding double axis this way looks very good!

[–]gusbyinebriation 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Since the scale is from zero to one, I'd imagine you'd normalize by just making them a percentage of the maximum value for each, which happens to be current and concurrent for this data.

[–]Kwetla 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not even a percentage. Just divide each data set by its maximum value.