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[–]Steamed_Hams89 11.0k points11.0k points  (287 children)

They’re locking them in the water tower, never to be seen again.

[–]OptimusSublime 1672 points1673 points  (50 children)

But they break loose and then vamoose, and now you know the plot.

[–]Slobotic 1705 points1706 points 2 (22 children)

It's time dodge some income tax!

with some truly spineless acts!

Stab our talent in the backs; sabotage HBO max

We're penny pinching hacks!

[–]surpriseparodysong 389 points390 points  (6 children)

(single tear) so proud

Meet Zaslav and his content… that’s disappearing from the Earth

“It’s sabotage!” they’re yelling while he cuts HBOs worth

Stockholders they all slobber, the cash fills them with mirth

No ifs, ands, buts

The staffing cuts

While he retires to Perth!

[–]Slobotic 211 points212 points  (4 children)

We're giving it the axe!

You can check your damn contracts!

We can take the flack while we wrack up all these stacks

Cause we give zero...

just like Bob De Niro

We give zero facks!

Those are the facts!


sorry... passing out... best I can do

[–]BZenMojo 47 points48 points  (0 children)

A 2 billy payoff,

So let's all brace for layoffs,

It's David's pump and dump...

You're all fired, chumps!

[–]Dansondelta47 248 points249 points  (26 children)

We're animaniacs Dot is cute and Yakko yaks Wakko packs away the snacks While Bill Clinton plays the sax We're Animaniacs

[–]ihlaking 104 points105 points  (22 children)

Meet Pinky and the Brain who want to rule the universe

[–]sleeve_of_wizard 92 points93 points  (20 children)

GoodFeathers flock together. Slappy whacks them with her purse.

[–]Comic_Book_Reader 75 points76 points  (18 children)

Buttons chases Mindy. While Rita sings a verse.

[–]shitlord_god 67 points68 points  (17 children)

The writers flipped

[–]SobiTheRobot 67 points68 points  (16 children)

We have no script!

[–]talkinpractice 64 points65 points  (15 children)

Why bother to rehearse?

[–]houtex727 58 points59 points  (14 children)

We're AAAAnimaaaaniacs! We have pay or play contracts!

[–]phargoh 4197 points4198 points  (98 children)

With Yakko, Wakko, and Dot?

[–]Steamed_Hams89 999 points1000 points  (33 children)

Yep.

[–]Hotline_Denver 813 points814 points  (32 children)

May I see it?

[–]Steamed_Hams89 1116 points1117 points 2 (31 children)

No.

[–]processedmeat 413 points414 points  (8 children)

Release the yacko cut

[–]RedDragons8 209 points210 points  (7 children)

Finger Prince? I dont think so!

[–]GaryV83 227 points228 points  (12 children)

u/Steamed_Hams89!!! Warner Bros. content vaults are under fire!!!

[–]Incompatibert 166 points167 points  (7 children)

No, u/GaryV83, that's just the Northern Lights.

[–]ryraps5892 57 points58 points  (1 child)

It’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s Superman! a tax write off!!!

[–]Hotline_Denver 127 points128 points  (2 children)

Well Seymour, you’re and odd fellow, but I must say… you vault content for tax purposes well.

[–]steamedHaaaammsss 33 points34 points  (3 children)

Haha nice username!

[–]AngryGamer432 32 points33 points  (1 child)

I found prince.

No, No, No, fingerprints

I don't think so

[–]wisconsinking 340 points341 points  (36 children)

I hope Animaniacs season 3 makes a joke about Batgirl, in season 2 they made a joke about Zack Snyder.

[–]NunsNunchuck 120 points121 points  (26 children)

There is going to be a season 3? Hope they bring back other skits from original.

[–]TrannaMontana 97 points98 points  (0 children)

Animaniacs season 3

I didn't know either but apparently it was renewed Feb 2021.

[–]Cyno01 120 points121 points  (18 children)

I think i miss Goodfeathers more than any of the other ones they left out of the reboot.

The 90s Godfather and Goodfellas references would be dated sure, but weve had The Sopranos since then, they coulda updated things and replaced the Godpigeon with a Tony Soprano pigeon.

Them and Slappy.

[–]NunsNunchuck 50 points51 points  (3 children)

Never saw goodfellas before the show and though they were funny.

My favorite was Buttons

[–]thelukus5 23 points24 points  (0 children)

The only thing I trust outta WB.

[–]Sonny_Crockett_1984 202 points203 points  (14 children)

Aren't the Animaniacs already living in there?

[–]Inkthinker 206 points207 points  (8 children)

And it's important that we keep them... entertained.

[–]Orion14159 239 points240 points  (7 children)

To Batgirl:

HELLO NURSE

[–]HunterTV 79 points80 points  (3 children)

Do you have a little ‘toon in ya?

No…

Would ya like some?

[–]PayneTrain181999 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Goodnight everybody!

[–]i_willregretthis 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Fingerprints? Or finger Prince?

[–]GoblinBrain420 318 points319 points  (99 children)

Grace is right this all sounds like David is trying to cut the share price as much as possible so Universal can buy WB Discovery.

Very interesting times for the entire entertainment industry.

[–]GrumpyBearBank 133 points134 points  (15 children)

It makes perfect sense for WBD to sell in a few years, but it makes zero sense for the CEO to be intentional destroying its stock price in anticipation of that sale.

What does make sense is Discovery inherited a mess, and needs to clean up the financials, in order to be financially viable or to sell.

Everyone agrees that WB had absolutely fucked financials before the sale.

[–]paul__k 73 points74 points  (10 children)

it makes zero sense for the CEO to be intentional destroying its stock price in anticipation of that sale

Not only does it make zero sense, it would outright be a breach of his fiduciary duties for which he would personally liable. That would not end well for him, which raises the question why he would take that risk.

[–]Adventurous_Raise_87 115 points116 points  (70 children)

If Zaslav can sell even just a few IP's owned by WB Discovery to another studio, he can make some money back.

[–]GoblinBrain420 189 points190 points  (63 children)

So Grace Randolf on YouTube is a big film pundit with roughly a million subscribers.

She broke a rumour a few months ago that Laslav master plan is to sell WB/ Dicovery to Universal. Hence the rampant axing to lower the stock price as much as possible. In all honesty it makes sense.

However James Gunn has just been appointed co CEO of DC studios today. So I’m not sure what the master plan is anymore. Logic would’ve dictated spending millions on making DC it’s own vertical like Marvel studios is only to sell in a few years is odd. It’s another black mark in the books.

All I know is whatever Laslav master plan is, it’s going to change the entertainment industry for better or for worse.

[–]jexdiel321 154 points155 points  (14 children)

Its pretty funny that Grace Randolph is spreading this rumor then WBD hires James Gunn as the Co Ceo of DC, the same person who famously debunked her for one of her rumors.

[–]Alekesam1975 97 points98 points  (12 children)

It's not like Grace Randolph is some super insider to begin with. She's barely above a speculating YT content maker.

[–]_BURN_THE_WITCH_ 23 points24 points  (11 children)

You mean she is above a speculating YT content creator??

[–]matts2 29 points30 points  (7 children)

Actions intended to lower share price are expensive as hell when your shareholders sue.

[–]Norwegian_Honeybear 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Change the hierarchy of the entertainment industry??

[–]Thatguy755 8664 points8665 points  (518 children)

Interesting business strategy for Warner Brothers, making movies then never showing them to anyone

[–]DoomOne 2649 points2650 points  (207 children)

This is starting to feel more and more like a real-life version of "The Producers".

[–]redldr1 1643 points1644 points  (199 children)

Because it's real.

Actors and crews have contractual obligations for X number of movies.

Sometimes they create a movie to expressly shelve.

[–]RollTodd18 435 points436 points  (186 children)

Wait what

Are there other examples you could share?

[–]Coca_Cola_for_blood 1509 points1510 points  (131 children)

The 1994 Fantastic 4 movie is a famous example. Full movie filmed with special effects and everything just so they could maintain the rights. The movie was never released.

[–]ScottNewman 816 points817 points  (85 children)

I believe it aired once on TV at four am or something because it was required to be shown. Which is why we know what it looks like.

[–]anormalgeek 765 points766 points  (81 children)

The full thing is on YouTube. It's... Interesting.

https://youtu.be/iJ9kES_F4ms

[–]HapticSloughton 240 points241 points  (10 children)

They can still claim they have the best looking versions of the Thing and Doctor Doom ever to appear in cinema thus far.

[–]lilmsnasty 38 points39 points  (0 children)

I thought you were joking but dang, that's an uncannily comics accurate good looking Victor.

[–]HunterGonzo 106 points107 points  (5 children)

All things considered (no pun intended), The Thing actually looks pretty good.

[–]jaxdraw 57 points58 points  (3 children)

You'll notice they don't show much of his lower half, because they ran out of $

[–]Formal_Mulberry_7317 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Reminds me of the suits from the live action TMNT movies.

[–]Superjunker1000 72 points73 points  (10 children)

The YouTube video has 9 comments. How is that possible, after a year online ?

[–]smohyee 99 points100 points  (2 children)

Some things, you just don't have much to say

[–]THE_WHORBORTIONATOR 24 points25 points  (0 children)

You’re the Reddit guy from the YouTube comment! You’re practically famous!

[–]4k-DingDong 181 points182 points  (12 children)

"The full thing" is false advertising, it's only 240 pixels.

[–]anormalgeek 90 points91 points  (0 children)

Yeah. That IS the full thing.

[–]funnyman95 41 points42 points  (0 children)

But it’s all 240 of them

[–]yomommawearsboots 128 points129 points  (3 children)

Of all the movies in the world, this is one of them.

[–]angry_cabbie 110 points111 points  (8 children)

And it has higher scores on Rotten Tomato than Fant4stic from 2015.

[–]CamelSpotting 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Wasn't that exactly the same idea except they did release it?

[–]HapticSloughton 29 points30 points  (1 child)

I want to see a documentary about the making, studio interference, and Insanity surrounding that film.

[–]vankirk 171 points172 points  (8 children)

Idiocracy was Mike Judge's contractual obligation to Fox after making Office Space. It opened in 2 theaters. It made less than $500,000 at the box office. Fox didn't shelve it, but they certainly didn't care about it and were accused of abandoning it.

Edit: initially released in 7 theaters.

[–]RudyRusso 27 points28 points  (1 child)

[–]AlbertaNorth1 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Ya I don’t think we have time for a handjob right now.

[–]CrayonFox 124 points125 points  (1 child)

"In The New York Times, Dan Mitchell argued that Fox might be shying away from the cautionary tale about low-intelligence dysgenics because the company did not want to offend either its viewers or potential advertisers"

I guess it hit a bit too close to home for some.

[–]capnpetch 143 points144 points  (16 children)

They did this for Wheel of Time. The author sold the rights to a company that had never produced a show. They were about to expire so they produced and released a pilot in the middle of the night so they could keep the rights. It made a big splash a few years ago in the Wheel of Time community.

[–]BigSwedenMan 92 points93 points  (0 children)

Roger Corman's fantastic 4. Eventually it got out, but it was filmed in order to preserve the production company's hold on the license

[–]FoxOntheRun99 661 points662 points  (17 children)

Pepper needs new shorts!!!

Edit: corrected quote

[–]GreatTragedy 67 points68 points  (0 children)

Pepper

[–]theodo 50 points51 points  (5 children)

I still can't believe that's Jason Bateman, he never plays roles like that but he was amazing.

[–]Orion14159 61 points62 points  (0 children)

Usually you have to pay double for that

[–]hardspank916 198 points199 points  (6 children)

Its a bold strategy Cotton, lets see if it pays off.

[–]Nova277 618 points619 points  (149 children)

The problem is they started off writing off unreleased projects they claimed to have little confidence in but have moved on to writing off shows and movies that were already out, preventing any legal method of accessing the content.

[–]TastyBirdmeat 377 points378 points  (140 children)

You can't write off shows you've already released. There's no practical way to determine the written off value. They're just cancelling them to get out of paying royalties

[–]GeoProX 192 points193 points  (45 children)

The article names 2 movies that they are writing off - “An American Pickle” and “Charm City Kings”. I guess not paying off royalties is the reason for them to do this. I can understand no longer paying to create new seasons for unprofitable TV content, but it just seems disturbing that they are hiding away shows and movies, that have already aired.

[–]Very_Good_Opinion 61 points62 points  (6 children)

Seriously, their claim that it helps "declutter" is laughable

[–]Sparcrypt 62 points63 points  (0 children)

Everyone knows that people hate having variety and choice in what they watch, that's why Netflix failed immediately when it launched!

Wait...

[–]SublimeDolphin 114 points115 points  (34 children)

I was really confused for a second because An American Pickle sounded familiar, so when I looked it up and saw it had already been released, I figured they just be talking about a sequel or something.

Seriously, how do you write off content that’s already been released out into the world?

[–]BasicDesignAdvice 128 points129 points  (11 children)

It means it won't ever be shown. There are costs associated with that and WB is trying to slash costs.

The new CEO was the guy who turned Discovery into reality TV shit. He has zero problem doing the same thing to a prestigious brand like WB.

[–]Agret 21 points22 points  (6 children)

So he's going to attempt to change WB into another CW?

[–]testedonsheep 73 points74 points  (1 child)

worse, change WB to TLC.

[–]Agret 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Oh no

[–]redwall_hp 21 points22 points  (3 children)

Oddly enough, the CW was formed from a merger of a network called The WB with UPN.

[–]SidewaysFancyPrance 119 points120 points  (13 children)

Destroy it. Remove all licensing for it, and do not allow it to be shown ever again.

I don't understand how that would provide a penny in tax or other incentives, though. Destroying works of art should never be profitable. This is nuts, and I don't know if I am more mad at the system that allows this, or the execs that decided to go this route.

[–]GeoProX 38 points39 points  (3 children)

This is nuts, and I don't know if I am more mad at the system that allows this, or the execs that decided to go this route.

¿Por qué no los dos?

I can understand not renewing TV shows. I can somewhat understand not releasing an already ready to go movie like Batgirl. But to do that to the content that has already been released?

[–]Amish_guy_with_WiFi 40 points41 points  (2 children)

I'm wondering if big actor contracts are going to start having clauses to combat this? These are sad times for art and entertainment.

[–]WhySpongebobWhy 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Especially in animation. The talent drain when animators and voice actors just outright won't sign on to Warner Brothers projects over the uncertainty of their work getting shitcanned.

[–]sdcinerama 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Back in the 90s/00s, at the height of Miramax's fame, filmmakers that entered into distribution deals had to start mandating in contracts that their films receive a release because the Weinsteins would acquire films... and never release them in order to protect the company brand. But that was an 'indie' company, for a major studio to do this was mostly unheard of until recent years.

[–]Agent_Angelo_Pappas 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It’s probably not just about taxes, but royalties. Seth Rogen for instance was probably getting a nice little annual check from HBO Max for American Pickle. Now that it’s no longer airing they won’t be writing him that check.

[–]MLP_Saurian 186 points187 points  (15 children)

CN did it over a decade ago with MegasXLR, a show that had both seasons shown in full and resyndicated for a brief period of time.

It is impossible to get legal copies of that now, you have to pirate it. And its a shame cause its a great show too.

[–]SupervillainEyebrows 45 points46 points  (2 children)

Fantastic show. I can't believe they never officially released the soundtrack.

[–]LowTierFraud 37 points38 points  (1 child)

YOU dig giant robots!

I dig giant robots!

WE dig giant robots!

CHICKS dig giant robots!

[–]InsertCoinForCredit 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Aw, shit, is THAT what happened with Megas XLR? YOU BASTARDS!

[–]Bionic_Bromando 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Oh man thanks for reminding me of that awesome show!

[–]SonofaBridge 394 points395 points  (58 children)

Tell that to the creator of Final Space. They’re going to write the show off meaning it will never be re-released, syndicated, or sold on DVD. They amortize the cost of shows over years so they’re writing off the remainder of the debt.

The creator of final space is upset because a major part of his life is disappearing so WB can get a tax write off.

[–]MustacheEmperor 79 points80 points  (16 children)

They already did that to Infinity Train - gone from HBO Max, gone from everywhere, for good.

[–]danielbauer1375 146 points147 points  (27 children)

Wow. That’s fucked, and tax laws in this country are so broken. At the very least, ownership of the work should return to the original creator(s). This it the equivalent of a museum putting paintings though a shredder to save some money. If I were the artist, I would be livid.

[–]YourLictorAndChef 39 points40 points  (1 child)

It's like a safer version of the scam in The Producers.

[–]insanityCzech 623 points624 points  (11 children)

Really cool how media consolidation turned out since 1996! 👍

[–]djcigs 2574 points2575 points  (658 children)

can someone eli5 why making movies that never get released allows you to recoup money

[–]vertigo3pc 1134 points1135 points 2 (147 children)

They don't make the movie to never release it. They make it, realize it won't perform well, and then never release it so they can take the expense of making the movie as a loss and offset profits from other parts of their business.

I can't fully explain like you're 5, but I'll try and connect the dots the best I can. When Hollywood makes a movie, and this is VERY broad terms, they have a total budget for production, and then a budget for marketing/advertising. Let's call those expenses P (production costs) and M (marketing costs). They spend $P to make the movie, then spend $M to tell people the movie is out. The efforts are to generate $R (revenue).

When the studio does their taxes, it's pretty similar to what small businesses do: $R - ($M + $P) = PROFITS. The company is taxed on profits, the lower the profit, the lower the tax liability. If a movie does really well, then PROFITS are large, and means they need to pay the US government and state governments their tax liability.

Businesses can use expenses like Marketing to deduct from those revenues, and if you don't want to pay the government, then reinvest the money: buy new equipment, pay vendors, buy real estate, etc. All those things are deemed to move the economy, creating secondary and tertiary industries.

Now let's say one of these movies gets a screen test, and it does NOT do well. In fact, you're nearly certain you're going to not make a lot of $R, even if you spend a fuckton on marketing. You've already spent $P, so that's the expense. Spending more on $M to try and churn up $R may be a fool's errand, because the testing has shown it's a dud (or they just want to believe it's a dud). What do you do?

Rather than spending $M to have a total cash expenditure of ($M + $P), just cut your losses. Shelf the project, don't spend a dime on $M, and divert that money towards $P on other projects. You've already spent $P, and you can take that as a pure deduction of expense, since you spent the money to create something that never earned your business any money whatsoever.

Further, depending on how the company is structured, they could use those expenses to reduce the tax liability of other projects that DID make money. "The Batman" made $767 million globally, and the budget (probably $M + $P) was $200 million, so the tax liability for "The Batman" would be $767 million - ($200 million) = $567 million profit. "Batgirl" allegedly had a production cost of $90 million, so by shelving the movie, they could take that loss and reduce the profitability of "The Batman" to $477 million.

So they're not necessarily getting money back, but rather they're reducing the money they owe because of their successes by offsetting with the cost of their losses.

Beyond the scope of your question, I'll say this: I think Warner Bros' love affair with HBO Max and the future of streaming was a quick burst of passion and is now subsiding. They're taking streaming content like "American Pickle" off HBO Max, thereby reducing the opportunity to generate revenue and therefore use the past cost of production as a reduction in liability. I think the jury is out whether HBO Max was a good or bad thing when you consider the effects of COVID, but that's yet to be decided. I do think WB and HBO Max went too hard, too fast, to capitalize on the streaming world without fully understanding the economics the way Netflix already does.

Add onto that the immense amount of money spent in real estate deals by WB in 2018 and 2019, and you have a recipe for a business that may be struggling with cash flow problems at a time when the global economy is showing signs of crisis.

[–]CaryWalkin 324 points325 points  (25 children)

This is a pretty good ELI5 for how not releasing movies allows the studio to recover funds.

If you're wondering "Why do they need to stop selling released movies/shows in order to reduce their taxes since they've already spent the production and marketing money?" then we need to go one accounting level deeper into intangible assets and impairment.

Intangible assets are recorded for the intellectual property pertaining to production. For example, when Amazon paid $250M for the TV rights for the Lord of the Rings, rather than be able to immediately expense that $250M which would reduce their tax obligations, Amazon was required to record that purchase as an intangible asset. At a high-level, as long as Amazon is making money from those rights, then that $250M is sitting on Amazon's books as an intangible asset and is not tax deductible against the income generated from their TV series income.

Impairment is when the intangible asset's recoverable amount (potential future revenue) is less than its carrying amount ($250M in the previous example). When this happens, the value of intangible asset is reduced to its recoverable amount and the difference is a tax deductible expense. When Warner Bros. stops selling a completed movie or show, they are forcing the recoverable amount to be $0. This allows them to expense the intangible asset as a tax deduction against their income from other properties.

[–]CountVanillula 1675 points1676 points  (111 children)

I don’t think making movies and not releasing them makes them money, but they’re choosing not to spend additional money on a movie that might ultimately earn less than that. It stinks, but it kind of makes sense: if the rest of the CGI work and advertising and residuals is gonna cost $20m, but they only anticipate an additional $10m in revenue, why bother?

[–]249ba36000029bbe9749 850 points851 points  (36 children)

To paraphrase the old saying: "A million saved is a million earned."

[–]Cautemoc 476 points477 points  (28 children)

Every time someone says this, stock holders in the US feel a disturbance in the force. A million saved is a million not spent on unsustainable growth.

[–]KanyeNeweyWest 56 points57 points  (25 children)

I have some terrible news for you regarding the accounting identity linking savings and investment

Every time someone says this, stock holders in the US feel a disturbance in the force. A million saved is a million not spent on unsustainable growth.

[–]uniquecannon 1363 points1364 points  (298 children)

Because instead of spending more money to go through with the release, you just kill the project and get a tax credit

That way instead of losing $100m+ to release it, you only lose $30-40m just on the initial production. And that's what Zavlav was hired to do, to keep WB from permanently shutting down by reducing losses

[–]bradhotdog 437 points438 points  (104 children)

what does it mean for them to get a 'tax credit'? i don't understand that. "it's a write off Jerry!"

[–]bobmcdynamite 457 points458 points  (12 children)

That's wrong. There's no federal "credit" for shelving it. It's not like the government pays them to not release it. They do get to deduct at least some of the the production costs from their taxes. There will be some tax credits probably from whichever state they filmed in, but they would have received that anyway from the production.

So, in oversimplified terms, if they make 10 billion a year but can write off 50 million of expenses, it brings their tax liability down to 9.995 billion. Not making money but at least saving on their tax payments.

Edit: I can't add or subtract

[–]NiftWatch 65 points66 points  (9 children)

Christopher Nolan made a wise choice moving to Universal.

[–]HuckleSmothered 534 points535 points  (27 children)

You touch Venture Bros. I eat your whole house!

[–]LordofCindr 145 points146 points  (2 children)

Brock: Go ahead.....

(Eye twitch)

Take it from me...

[–]BlastedMallomars 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Don't you try it Prince Adam, this old panther's still got moves that will make your mullet spin!

[–]Alardig 31 points32 points  (0 children)

It would call for a new screen actors guild... of calamitous intent!

[–]Ianras 30 points31 points  (3 children)

I agree with you about Venture Bros, but it's not just things that haven't been released you, shows are being written off that have already been produced and released. Final Space was a show I really enjoyed, funny and emotional sci-fi animated series that aired 3 seasons first on TBS and then HBO Max, just completely written off and removed from streaming services. They can never stream it again, sell a dvd again, sell the broadcast writes again. In every practical sense the show only exists now in the physical media already produced or pirated so I can't ever recommend it to anyone ever again. Very sad, you think of content just existing forever these days.

[–]Fuzzy-Function-3212 25 points26 points  (1 child)

We will rain down the wrath of a thousand Level Tens on WB if they do this.

cue evil laugh that is absolutely justified here

[–]UserOfCookies 141 points142 points  (11 children)

Seriously! I'll be really depressed if we dont get the Venture Bros and Metalocalypse endings.

[–]RumTitsBurgers 123 points124 points  (10 children)

Tbh announcing a Metalocalypse movie then pulling it from us just before its made is pretty brutal.

[–]DeathByPain 69 points70 points  (2 children)

The most metal finale of all...

NOTHINNNNGGG

[–]Beefmyburrito 31 points32 points  (0 children)

I was there for the live stream where they printed people's request to revive the show and it went straight into a shredder; that was pretty brutal.

To make a movie then make us wait like two years for it to release then just cancel it....

Yea, that am's brutals.

[–]UserOfCookies 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Thats am brutals.

[–]pm_ur_whispering_I 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Oh fuck cartoon network is part of this conglomerate isn't it!?

[–]rule2thedoubletap 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I say to myself, "They save Venture Bros, I get a sub." They did, and I did. Fair is fair. I have been enjoying it - but if they dump Venture Bros in some tax writeoff BS I am gone so fast they'll say "Now Museum – Now You Don't!"

[–]substandardgaussian 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Venture Bros getting canceled twice by two mergers in a row would be the perfect meta way for it to end.

...It's just not what I actually want.

[–]abraksis747 8 points9 points  (0 children)

God bless that Buttercream frosted Murder cake!

[–]qb1120 847 points848 points  (21 children)

ZaslavThe Destroyer sounds like a great DC villain

[–]Phillip_Spidermen 141 points142 points  (4 children)

There is a Batman villain named Zsaz is who likes to cut things...

[–]auniqueusername1-9 27 points28 points  (0 children)

That's not even like stretching his character to make it fit or anything, Zsaz is literally all about cutting people lmao it fits perfectly

[–]mikeymiggz 172 points173 points  (6 children)

Should be a villain on Teen Titans Go!

EDIT: Control Freak is revealed to be David Zaslav

[–]RDeschain1 75 points76 points  (4 children)

gets meta real quick when the villain of a show kills the actual show

[–]Aurelio23 14 points15 points  (0 children)

This is exactly how Batman: The Brave and the Bold ended: in the last episode, Bat-Mite gets tired of the show’s overall silliness and wants a grittier reboot, so he (successfully) tanks the whole thing. The penultimate scene is a fantastically meta moment with all of the characters having a wrap party for their own show.

[–]TheRealIsNow 269 points270 points  (1 child)

Remember when pirating a film was going to cost the industry by killing creative content? /s

[–]gamecat89 97 points98 points  (8 children)

Can’t wait for the next company that buys HBO to release them as premium content

[–]spinney 1095 points1096 points  (54 children)

"An interesting test case would be to upload the shows HBOmax is pulling off streaming permanently and then fight the takedown as fair use. A lot of the arguments they would normally make against a fair use claim would get them in trouble with the IRS & jeopardize their write off." - this series of tweets from WGA member (and WGA presidential canidate) Van Robichaux had me thinking.

If the studio is writing them off they are essentially saying these properties will never be profitable for them and they are abandoning them. Which would mean most IP laws might not apply to them. It's uncharted waters but makes me wonder if it would work.

[–]aspire_rang 308 points309 points  (21 children)

WB is not the only rights holder. Part of what they are saving by not releasing them is the royalties they would owe.

Those rights holders could set their dogs on you gleefully with no qualms.

[–]Perunov 125 points126 points  (13 children)

I'm reasonably certain there will be a large heap of lawsuits anyways. "We've signed the contract expecting you to release the movie and pay royalties yet you actually try to wiggle out of payments by not releasing the movie! angry noises". And then settlement for extra $$$$ 4-5 months later.

[–]Bubba89 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Hollywood contracts never assume release of the movie. The creatives get paid to make it and then if the movie is used, they’ll get royalties, but it’ll say all up and down that it’s the studio’s discretion to release it or not.

[–]CorgiDad017 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Could other holders sue for any potential loss of revenue then?

[–]SK1D_M4RK 35 points36 points  (5 children)

WB probably would argue that they still plan to use the IP in a future film. Then use batman as proof that they constantly reboot IPs.

[–]NormieSpecialist 170 points171 points  (13 children)

Just a reminder, the man who’s doing this was the one who brought us Honey Booboo.

[–]Greninja5097 58 points59 points  (9 children)

Between that and completely obliterating Final Space, this guy is fuckin’ evil incarnate.

[–]obinice_khenbli 469 points470 points  (50 children)

They're killing Final Space, an awesome TV series that's had several seasons.

All those seasons aren't just being pulled from sale, they're going to *NEVER EVER BE SEEN AGAIN, IN ANY FORMAT, ANYWHERE, EVER.

The creator is a wonderful person and they're heartbroken to have their life's work destroyed like this. And it's such a good show too.

Fuck Warner Brothers.

[–]AwesomePurplePants 62 points63 points  (0 children)

It’s honestly down right poetic given the tone of the show.

Ending in a tragic farce, with me desperately rooting for the likeable characters caught in the crossfire to somehow escape the yawning abyss before them.

Knowing that they will fail.

[–]Batmans_other_butler 160 points161 points  (7 children)

The cancelled Raised By Wolves which was so good and had such a huge cliffhanger ending in S2

[–]nomodz4real 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Hehehe cliffHANGER is putting it mildy. I am very sad about it being cancelled.....

[–]Copeulon 57 points58 points  (7 children)

They killed final space NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[–]Trevumm 39 points40 points  (4 children)

Olan deserves so much better. Final space is much favourite animated show, it’s such a piss off they won’t even let him finish it.

[–]melig1991 9 points10 points  (0 children)

NEVER EVER BE SEEN AGAIN, IN ANY FORMAT, ANYWHERE, EVER

🏴‍☠️

[–]Simmons54321 28 points29 points  (1 child)

It’s been pulled from streaming services. Thankfully we have the internet, and we can at least download it

[–]manbeardawg 155 points156 points  (6 children)

Sounds like they need a Sony-level hack so that we can all enjoy these gems

[–]Fruhmann 32 points33 points  (2 children)

I would love to read the interactions between directors, producers, and corporate. Only a few of the creators have been vocal (as much as they can be) about having their work ripped from existence.

[–]mrmonster459 581 points582 points  (72 children)

How is Warner Bros's reputation gonna survive all this?

Like, what director/writer is gonna wanna go to Warner Bros to pitch their movie if they know that all their hard work could be reduced to a tax write off?

[–]VoiceofKane 318 points319 points  (17 children)

A lot of directors already didn't want to work for Warner Brothers any more.

[–]CaptainDAAVE 117 points118 points  (10 children)

i mean I guess I shouldn't care about a rich entity like WB, but I honestly can't believe they're in this situation after a cenutry of dominance.

[–]BasicDesignAdvice 178 points179 points  (17 children)

The new CEO is who made Discovery into reality TV shit. He doesn't care.

He also said that CNN would be showing more right wing content. CNN is HUGE outside of the US, so that's fucking great.

[–]zhiryst 65 points66 points  (4 children)

They better not fucking touch the Venture Bros movie.

[–]HuckleSmothered 20 points21 points  (1 child)

My only hope is that the Astro Base was always so self contained that the overhead to sell the disc/digital before going to HBO max is low enough that not bothering to do anything is cheaper than fucking it.

[–]coatrack68 59 points60 points  (38 children)

Looking at you flash movie….

[–]abolish_gender 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Two months from now: WB announces all media projects stopped, except for Flash.

[–]Rotsicle 112 points113 points  (7 children)

RIP, Raised by Wolves...I really hope some other network picks it up. It's such a sci-fi treasure.

[–]BalrogSlayer00 28 points29 points  (1 child)

If I had won that 1.3b mega millions I was totally gonna revive that.

[–]chocbotchoc 64 points65 points  (12 children)

RIP Westworld Season 5 :(

[–]DeadliftsnDonuts 91 points92 points  (6 children)

The ratings were so bad and it was an expensive show. I loved Westworld but s3 and s4 were rough. It’s a mercy killing

[–]A_BURLAP_THONG 716 points717 points  (89 children)

When did "movies" or "movies and shows" become "content"? Of all the changes in language I've seen in my life, this is probably the one that bothers me the most. I feel like it really cheapens it, both from the production and consumption standpoint.

[–]RetiscentSun 457 points458 points  (45 children)

100% agreed. When somebody says “content creator” I think of a YouTuber, not Steven Spielberg

[–]Warm_Speech 98 points99 points  (9 children)

Oh God, I hope Dune is safe.

[–]Cabal17 179 points180 points  (1 child)

Dune is a Legendary Pictures production, WB is just a distributor. So if WB drops them, they just have to find another distributor. WB can't kill it like they did everything else.

[–]_Silly_Wizard_ 55 points56 points  (2 children)

Nobody puts Denis in a corner

[–]chicken_suit_guy 55 points56 points  (14 children)

I hope the flash movie is one of those... And The Flash is my favourite superhero

[–]majrBuzzkill 56 points57 points  (0 children)

The new CEO of Discovery Warner is known to cut costs ruthlessly, which is what he's doing regardless of the earnings potential.

He also ruins entire networks to do it. He was the guy who polluted TLC with shows like Honey Boo Boo and Fat shaming shows.

[–]frankduxvandamme 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Kramer : It's just a write off for them .

Jerry : How is it a write off ?

Kramer : They just write it off .

Jerry : Write it off what ?

Kramer : Jerry all these big companies they write off everything

Jerry : You don't even know what a write off is .

Kramer : Do you ?

Jerry : No . I don't .

Kramer : But they do and they are the ones writing it off .

[–]Seven_of_Samhain 191 points192 points  (49 children)

How did we go from 2008's The Dark Knight, a critical and commercial darling, to... this?

[–]Kinglink 115 points116 points  (13 children)

  • 2009 Watchmen
  • 2010 Jonah Hex
  • 2011 Green Lantern
  • 2012 The Dark Knight Rises
  • 2013 Man of Steel
  • 2016 Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
    • Suicide Squad
  • 2017 Wonder Woman
    • Justice League
  • 2018 Aquaman
  • 2019 Shazam!
    • Joker
  • 2020 Birds of Prey
    • Wonder Woman 1984
  • 2021 The Suicide Squad
  • 2022 The Batman
    • Black Adam
  • 2023 Shazam! Fury of the Gods
    • The Flash
    • Blue Beetle
    • Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom
  • N/A Batgirl

Wow I was doing this as a joke, but actually looking at that list, it kind of tells the whole story on it's own.