When we talk about alleged supporters of Israel in Australia, they are typically referred to as Zionists. Sometimes modifiers are used – “liberal” Zionists, for example, but typically, even these distinctions aren’t made. This is because they don’t think any modifiers are needed – they will support any Israeli government, right or left, Likud or Labour. In my view, there is a correct modifier for this type of “Zionism” – Stalinism.
It is not that these people are nostalgic for Stalin. It is that their style of worship of the state is reminiscent of supporters of Stalin. They display the same intellectual styles. They worship the state, and serve it loyally. And when people criticise their holy state, the response is lies, vilification, and whatever other means can be used to suppress criticism.
The other obvious characteristic of Stalinists was their intellectual dishonesty: a simple and unbending refusal to admit obvious facts about what was being done in the land they publicly described as a paradise to which the rest of the world should aspire.
George Orwell recognised this as a characteristic of nationalists: “Every nationalist is capable of the most flagrant dishonesty, but he is also — since he is conscious of serving something bigger than himself — unshakeably certain of being in the right.”
Let us start by considering some of the basic facts about Israel’s attack on Gaza since July. It is beyond the dispute of reasonable people that Israel caused immense destruction in Gaza. Let us just consider the Israeli press. On July 26 – well before the attack ended – Amos Harel reported in Ha’aretz that “The scope of destruction and suffering in the Gaza Strip is unfathomable.”
At that point, nearly 900 had been killed. In YNet, one of Israel’s most widely read publications, which is politically centrist, one reads:
The month-long war – the most destructive since Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza in 2005 – has left more than 2,000 Palestinians dead, most of them civilians, as well as 64 IDF soldiers and three civilians in Israel.
Beyond the loss of life, major elements of Gaza's infrastructure have been crippled, including its only power station, its water treatment center and agricultural lands.
Some estimates suggest it could cost up to $10 billion to rebuild all the homes, roads, bridges and other infrastructure that has been wrecked. Krahenbuhl said it was clearly in the billions, but said his first priority was taking care of the displaced, with an estimated 425,000 of Gaza's 1.8 million people without a home and in need of shelter and other aid.
The New York Times reported on August 1 that Israel has “pummeled neighborhoods with heavy artillery”. Strangely, “Those tactics have also drawn international condemnation for devastating civilian homes and infrastructure, and taking so many lives”.
Ha’aretz reported a few days ago that Israel has fired 30,000 shells into Gaza, “many of them into densely populated areas.” The article noted further that “Artillery fire used to extract combatants was used on several occasions. Military sources admit that since artillery fire is inaccurate, large numbers of Palestinian civilians may have been killed in these incidents.”
This is no secret. An Israeli army source admitted in one case that as soldiers found themselves in a difficult situation with Palestinian fighters, they faced the possibility of getting “600 body bags back”. To prevent this, the Artillery Corps Support Unit took “drastic action”: after “20 minutes of shelling, silence ensued”.
A United Nations official complained of the “unprecedented destruction” in Gaza, and that the required reconstruction will be about three times greater than the attack on Gaza in 2008-9.
The Red Cross seeks above all to preserve its political neutrality. But it expressed shock and dismay at the destruction in Gaza:
What happens to those left behind who cannot flee? Where should they go? To overcrowded centres that may be bombed? To hospitals or medical emergency services that are not spared by either of the warring parties? To destroyed neighbourhoods where even Palestine Red Crescent ambulances are shot at? How many more Shujaiyas – a sea of rubble, previously home to almost 100,000 people - does it take before everybody opens their eyes to the gravity of the situation?
They concluded that this wasn’t about blaming one party or the other. It was “about stopping the inhumanity of this war. It’s about doing the right thing.” Jacques de Maio invoked “the humanitarian imperative – stop the killing, stop the destruction.”
On August 2, the UN’s Office for Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, UNRWA, and the World Health Organisation together released a statement on the situation in Gaza. They warned: “A health disaster of widespread proportions is rapidly unfolding in the Gaza Strip as a direct result of the ongoing conflict.”
James Rawley warned: “We are now looking at a health and humanitarian disaster… the fighting must stop immediately”. The medical facilities were “on the verge of collapse”, 460,000 people were displaced, there was “inadequate water and sanitation”, which posed “serious risks of outbreak of water-borne and communicable diseases”.
The latest OCHA report shows systematic destruction and damaging of water wells, water tanks, desalination units, “in addition to 29 kilometres of the water network completely destroyed and 17 kilometres partially destroyed.”
In total, 1976 Palestinians have been killed so far, and only 230 of them have been identified as members of armed groups.
OCHA also reports that Israel has damaged 230 schools, 41 mosques, 15 hospitals, 18 clinics, 14 UNRWA installations, 18 ambulances. OCHA has produced maps showing the destruction to agricultural land, or the destruction throughout.
OCHA has an atlas on the destruction throughout Gaza, section by section. It has a map on how the destruction of Gaza’s only power plant affects different areas of Gaza, and an infographic on how the destruction to Gaza’s water infrastructure meant that everyone in Gaza by July 29 had access to “very limited or no water”.
It has posted interactive before and after images, where visitors can see the systematic flattening of various areas in Gaza.
Really, virtually any picture you look at in Gaza tells the tale of devastation – the British Telegraph has a ‘360’ picture, where, standing from one spot in Gaza, one can look at destruction in every direction.
Israeli human rights organisation B’Tselem posted some pictures from Beit Hanoun.
These are simply the facts. No reasonable person can dispute that there is immense destruction in Gaza. It was all caused by Israel, and the destruction of Gaza’s infrastructure, its water supplies, its homes, its electricity – it all means that the people of Gaza , all of them, will suffer, even when Israel stops bombing (hard as it is to believe, at the time of writing, it looks as though Israel may renew its attack on Gaza).
What defence can there be for this kind of destruction? One pretext is the tunnels Hamas built which extend beyond Gaza into Israel. However, an Israel intelligence source was reported as expressing the view that “Hamas, which appears to be striving to emulate Hezbollah in all elements of its combat doctrine, seeks a soldier and not a random civilian” in its tunnel attacks. Which may surprise some, who imagine that Hezbollah is simply another terrorist group that solely targets Israeli civilians.
The point that they are intended to target Israeli soldiers has been more widely conceded. The Forward reported that Israel already knew about the tunnels “long before this operation”, though it lied about this knowledge to justify its attack. And this is to put aside the obvious point: the Egyptian government destroyed at least 1,000 tunnels between itself and Gaza without killing anyone, and it is “not known for its regard for human life”. Why couldn’t Israel do the same?
Even those who feel that Israel had a right to use force against Gaza should feel uneasy at all the death and destruction Israel has inflicted on Gaza – misery that will continue as the blockade prevents reconstruction of Gaza’s homes and infrastructure.
Consider the case of Leon Wieseltier, usually one of the most reliably shameless defenders of everything Israel does. In 2006, Tony Judt wrote of “the convoluted, sophistic defence by Leon Wieseltier… of the killing of Arab children in Qana (‘These are not tender times’)”. Even Wieseltier wrote of this attack: “I do not regard myself as a turncoat or a pawn. It is not sickening that Israel is defending itself — it is, by the standard of Jewish historical experience, exhilarating; but some of what Israel is doing to defend itself is sickening. Is our identity so infirm that such complication cannot be introduced?”
He noted, with dismay: “Only 4 per cent of Jewish Israelis believe that the Israeli military has used excessive force. This makes me queasy. Unanimity, or close to it, is no guarantee of truth. No excessive force, anywhere?”
Then there are the rockets. To my knowledge, no one disputes that they are indiscriminate. However, the extent of their damage can easily be overstated.
This story by Times of Israel provides a picture of destruction caused in a road caused by a rocket.
It is slightly different in scale to the damage caused by Israeli bombardment: something to be remembered when calls for “balance” and “even-handedness” are expressed at those concerned at the destruction of Gaza.
Though they are primitive and mostly ineffectual, Israelis rightly believe that they have a right to defend themselves from the rockets. However, the best way that they have to do so is to ensure that their government and army adheres to its ceasefires with Hamas.
The record shows that Israel violates ceasefires to a greater extent than Hamas does, which largely honours them. During ceasefires, Israel launches incursions, kills and injures Palestinians, and hasn’t eased the blockade – the last one was negotiated in November 2012.
The reason that there was an outbreak of fighting is that Israel rampaged through the West Bank, committing what human rights organisations condemned as “collective punishment”.
This was in response to the murder of three Israelis, blamed on Hamas without evidence. Israel launched airstrikes on Gaza, and after killing six Hamas members on July 6, Hamas retaliated with rocket fire.
Then Israel launched its massive bombardment. This should all be uncontroversial. According to the Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Centre, whose reports are featured on Israeli government websites, “For the first time since Operation Pillar of Defense, Hamas participated in and claimed responsibility for rocket fire”. They concede that Hamas had not fired rockets since November 2012.
They provide graphs showing the generally low number of rockets being fired into Israel, during ceasefires, and in the months leading up to the attack on Gaza.
It is true that some rockets were being fired into Israel, but Hamas did a pretty good job preventing such rocket fire, especially when one remembers Israel’s constant ceasefire violations, and the ongoing siege.
Netanyahu conceded that “Last year, the number of rockets fired from Gaza was the lowest in a decade”.
The Times of Israel openly reported on June 30 that “Hamas hasn’t fired rockets into Israel since Operation Pillar of Defense ended in November 2012”.
It further reported that “officials have said that smaller groups, such as Islamic Jihad, are usually behind the rocket attacks, while Hamas squads generally attempt to thwart the rocket fire.”
The fact that Hamas makes good faith efforts to prevent rockets being fired into Israel is apparently considered impolitic to admit in Australia, though it’s basically widely acknowledged in Israel.
It is amusing to remember an argument I had with AIJAC back in 2012. I wrote at the time that it was “hard to imagine” why the Popular Resistance Committee in Gaza would deny responsibility for an attack on Israelis, if it really was responsible for the attack.
AIJAC replied that there were “ample reasons” why they might not take credit for such attacks, providing a quote from Time by a PRC spokesman: “You have to understand, the government in Gaza, they do not wish to see another war, and they will prevent giving Israel an excuse for one at any price. They will allow retaliation but not initiating.”
So two years ago, AIJAC complained that my “arguments are as flimsy as a house of cards”, “conspiracy theories masquerading as analysis”, showing the dangers when “prejudice is allowed to crowd out information-gathering, reason” and so on. As demonstrated, for example, by AIJAC’s far greater faith in Hamas’s earnest commitment “at any price” to preventing other groups in Gaza from initiating an attack on Israel (though it may allow retaliation). I will spare you, dear reader, the latest defence of Israeli attacks on Gaza.
How are such performances possible? How can “supporters” of Israel one day declare that Hamas prevents attacks on Israel during its ceasefires, and then pretend ceasefires with Hamas are worthless and Israel must defend itself with force?
The answer is simple: this is not Zionism, it is Stalinism. Stalinists loyally serve the interests of the foreign state, and the factual record is an irrelevant distraction. The abuse and vilification are easily recognised in the constant accusations of anti-Semitism against anyone who criticises the Israeli government, such as the silly editorial by the Australian Jewish News denouncing Mike Carlton.
Aeyal Gross asked in Ha’aretz: “Why was there so much public support for a pointless war that could have been prevented, and that exacted a heavy price in human lives, both from us and from the Palestinians?” This question should seem obvious – especially to “supporters” of Israel. For some, the only question is how best to serve the Israeli government, no matter what it does.
The AJN happily reported on the ceasefire when it was happening. If the ceasefire ends, as it appears to be doing, presumably they will also celebrate Israel’s defence of itself.
It should be obvious that the attack has done nothing to protect Israel. The Israeli army estimated that it would take five years of military operations, and hundreds of Israeli soldiers dead, to completely defeat Hamas in Gaza. The Israeli government has simply decided that it does not want, or is not able, to incur these costs in fighting Hamas. If it is not going to crush Hamas, the only alternative is a ceasefire with Hamas.
So why not negotiate a ceasefire instead of launching the attack in the first place, causing all the death and destruction? And if Israel is willing to negotiate with Hamas over a ceasefire – which is what it has been doing – why doesn’t it negotiate with Hamas on other issues?
There are reports that Israel and the US have agreed to end the blockade on Gaza, to allow the transfer of salaries to Hamas workers in Gaza, and to rebuild Gaza with international assistance (a galling proposition: Israel is the party that destroyed it).
Israel gave ground – it has decided not to pursue in the short term the disarmament of Hamas. Hamas made some concessions, like on demanding the release of Palestinians kidnapped by Israel in June. The parties were reportedly reasonably close to an agreement, though Israel is apparently not willing to agree to Hamas demands for an airport and seaport.
It is sad to think that people are willing to support the systematic destruction of Gaza, in order to ensure that Israel doesn’t have to make meagre concessions to Palestinians that would alleviate their tremendous suffering. Concessions that history has shown Israel refuses to make when Palestinians use non-violent resistance against it.
Gross asked “how is it possible to justify the years-long blockade of Gaza, which included elements that have no relationship to security, like the ban on importing chocolate and coriander (which continued until the botched raid on a Turkish-sponsored flotilla to Gaza in 2010)?”
Why would anyone defend the ban on coriander in Gaza? Because that’s what the Israeli government said was necessary. When the blockade is loosened or tightened, that is what’s best, because the Israeli government says so.
If the blockade were ended tomorrow, this would be hailed by Stalinist Zionists, who would not admit the previous policy was wrong. If the blockade continued, that would also be defended.
There is no shame. There are no moral principles. It is just an endless moral vacuum, defending the indefensible, ignoring the factual record, and praising the Holy State.
This is not being a friend, this is being an enabler. It means supporting the destruction of Gaza, even as the destruction results in massive rocket fire into Israel. And when a ceasefire is reached, it will be celebrated, according to the requirements of the Israeli government. When the ceasefire breaks down, they will wait to hear their new opinions from the Israeli government.
There was a terrific satire by the Onion, where it decided to “firmly and categorically urge both Israelis and Palestinians to stand tall and steadfastly refuse to give up so much as a single inch during the negotiations.” The Onion advised that:
compromise is for the weak. True bravery means never giving in, never backing down, and never, ever shying away from your principles. Mere words will not end this war. We call on Jews and Arabs alike to stand your ground and show you are willing to die for your cause. Only then will your enemy back down. The Onion can guarantee you that.
The joke is that this kind of recommendation simply encourages more war and more fighting. The unfunny part is that Stalinist Zionists, who pose as “supporters” of Israel, are actually encouraging war, destruction, ongoing conflict, the continued oppression of Palestinians, which means the continued insecurity of Israelis.
Many Stalinists recanted. When Khrushchev denounced Stalin, when the USSR invaded Hungary or Czechoslovakia, communists, who still had some ideals, abandoned their holy state.
The question remains: what it will take for Israel to alienate its own Stalinist “supporters”?
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Syd Walker
Posted Thursday, August 21, 2014 - 14:10
Michael Brull asks: "what it will take for Israel to alienate its own.. “supporters”?"
May I suggest an global backlash of anger against Israel and its key support-base in mainstream organized Jewry - based on realization that Israeli agents, not Arabs, were responsible for key atrocities such as 9/11 - might well do the trick. Get that message across to the geeral public and just watch rats leap from the sinking Zionist ship - and fast!
The question I have for you, Michael is why does a suggestion such as this tend to throw you into paroxysms of denial and outrage.. when you proport to be so vehemently anti-Zionist?
If you genuinely believe there's absolutely no substance to claims that Zionist agents were the prime movers behind 9/11, it should be easy for you to show your beliefs are correct in open, rational and polite debate.
So.. I hereby challenge you to such a debate. I'd prefer it's done by email exchange so we can both take time to consider our input and responses. Two or three exchanges should be sufficient to ventilate the issues.
The typical response to such challenges to proponents of the official 9/11 narrative such as Michael, for more than a decade, has been either stony silence, shrieks of "anti-Semiitism" and/or assertions that such foul imputations should never be given any "oxygen".
Meanwhile, 24x7 vilification of Muslims continues apace, along with the endless wars and loss of our civil liberties.
So how about it Michael? New Matilda might wish to publish the debate.. if not it can be run elsewhere on the web.
Isn't it time you put to rest the slowly speading view that the entire "War Against (Radical) Islam was triggered by a gigantic hoax? (If you can!)
This user is a New Matilda supporter. DrGideonPolya
Posted Thursday, August 21, 2014 - 14:46
Excellent article by anti-racist Jewish Australian writer Michael Brull who is one of numerous outstanding anti-racist Jewish and non-Jewish writers, intellectuals and leaders in Australia and around the world who variously condemn:
(1) the ongoing illegal Occupation and repeated war criminal Israeli massacres of Occupied Palestinians in the Occupied West Bank, Lebanon and the Gaza Concentration Camp (the latest killing 2,000 and wounding 10,000 in Gaza in response to zero Israeli deaths from Gaza rockets in the year before the invasion, 28 Israeli deaths from Gaza rockets in 14 years (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel ) or 2 per year as compared to 130 Israelis murdered by fellow Israelis each year);
(2) Israeli apartheid that is worse than South African Apartheid, forbids 6 million exiled Palestinians from even stepping foot in their own country, Palestine, and denies 72% of Israel’s 6 million Palestinian subjects human rights and the right to vote for the government ruling all of Mandatory Palestine (democracy by genocide);
(3) the ongoing Palestinian Genocide that has been associated with 2 million Palestinian deaths since 1936 from violence (0.1 million) or violently-impose deprivation (1.9 million), 7 million refugees and the ethnic cleansing of 90% of Palestine.
Some key websites documenting views against racist Zionism and nuclear terrorist, democracy-by-genocide Apartheid Israel of outstanding, humanitarian, anti-racist Jewish and non-Jewish scholars, leaders and writers :
“Boycott Apartheid Israel”: https://sites.google.com/site/boycottapartheidisrael/.
“Gaza Concentration Camp”: https://sites.google.com/site/palestiniangenocide/gaza-concentration .
“Jews Against Racist Zionism”: https://sites.google.com/site/jewsagainstracistzionism/ .
“Non-Jews Against Racist Zionism”: https://sites.google.com/site/nonjewsagainstracistzionism/ .
“Nuclear weapons ban , end poverty & reverse climate change”: https://sites.google.com/site/300orgsite/nuclear-weapons-ban
“Palestinian Genocide”: https://sites.google.com/site/palestiniangenocide/ .
Anti-racist Jewish and non-Jewish Australians will utterly reject the Palestine Genocide-ignoring, and slavishly pro-Zionist Coalition and Labor Right (aka the Lib-Labs or Liberal-Laborals), support Boycotts Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) against Apartheid Israel, vote 1 Green and put the Coalition last.
Kevin Charles H...
Posted Thursday, August 21, 2014 - 14:56
Gideon Polya:
what do you think of Syd Walker's proposition re Israeli involvement in 9/11?
To me , it appears that there is at least a prima facie case for Israel's involvement, based on my own research of the past 8 years or so.
Also, the current debate in the US concerning the 28 pages of redacted copy in the 9/11 Comission report, lead by Congressman Thomas Massie, signals that the whole truth re 9/11 is nearing fruition.
This user is a New Matilda supporter. DrGideonPolya
Posted Thursday, August 21, 2014 - 16:03
Pro-Zionist , pro-Apartheid Israel censorship by The Guardian Australia (see: "Censorship by The Guardian Australia": https://sites.google.com/site/mainstreammediacensorship/home/censorship-by-the-guardian-a ) - another good reason to read New Matilda.
On 21 August 2014 The Guardian published an article by anti-racist Jewish Australian writer Antony Loewenstein entitled “Diaspora dissent against Israel’s occupation is vital – and risky” : http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/21/diaspora-disagreement-against-israels-occupation-is-vital-and-vulnerable . The Guardian published my detailed comments below that drew a number of comments from pro-Zionists and then was COMPLETELY CENSORED presumably for containing things that the traitorous racist Zionist –subverted and perverted Guardian (albeit the best of Australia’s mainstream media and particularly good for science-informed climate change reportage) does not want its readers to read, know about or think about, censorship of the informed comments of an anti-racist Jewish Australian scholar and long-time science academic, Dr Gideon Polya, that can well be seen as ugly anti-Jewish anti-Semitism.
“GideonPolya
21 August 2014 3:04am
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Excellent article by outstanding anti-racist Jewish Australian writer Antony Loewenstein. He is one of numerous outstanding anti-racist Jewish and non-Jewish writers, intellectuals and leaders in Australia and around the world who variously condemn:
(1) the ongoing illegal Occupation and repeated war criminal Israeli massacres of Occupied Palestinians in the Occupied West Bank, Lebanon and the Gaza Concentration Camp (the latest killing 2,000 and wounding 10,000 in Gaza in response to zero Israeli deaths from Gaza rockets in the year before the invasion),
(2) Israeli apartheid that is worse than South African Apartheid, forbids 6 million exiled Palestinians from even stepping foot in their own country, Palestine, and denies 72% of Israel’s 6 million Palestinian subjects human rights and the right to vote for the government ruling all of Mandatory Palestine (democracy by genocide);
(3) the ongoing Palestinian Genocide that has been associated with 2 million Palestinian deaths since 1936 from violence (0.1 million) or violently-imposed deprivation (1.9 million), 7 million refugees and the ethnic cleansing of 90% of Palestine.
For the opinions of numerous outstanding anti-racist Jewish and non-Jewish humanitarians opposed to nuclear terrorist, racist Zionist-run, democracy-by-genocide Apartheid Israel’s ongoing Palestinian Genocide and variously supporting Boycotts Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) against Apartheid Israel , simply Google “Jews Against Racist Zionism”, “Non-Jews Against Racist Zionism”, “Palestinian Genocide”, “Gaza Concentration Camp”, “Boycott Apartheid Israel”, and “Nuclear weapons ban , end poverty & reverse climate change”, “Israel's Gaza Massacre: 55 Anti-Racist Australian MPs Condemn Israeli War Crimes And Occupation” and “Racist Zionism and Israeli State Terrorism threats to Australia and Humanity”.
Anti-racist Jewish and non-Jewish Australians will reject the Palestine Genocide-ignoring, and slavishly pro-Zionist Coalition and Labor Right (aka the Lib-Labs or Liberal-Laborals), vote 1 Green and put the Coalition last.”
Record of censorship:
“GideonPolya
21 August 2014 3:04am
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The Guardian earlier published my detailed comments on this excellent article by anti-racist Jewish Australian writer Antony Loewenstein that drew a number of comments from pro-Zionists and was then COMPLETELY CENSORED, presumably for containing things that an evidently Zionist –subverted and perverted Guardian (albeit the best of Australia’s mainstream media and particularly good for science-informed climate change reportage) does not want its readers to read, know about or think about, this being egregious censorship of the informed comments of an anti-racist Jewish Australian scholar and much-published, long-time science academic, Dr Gideon Polya, that can well be seen as ugly anti-Jewish anti-Semitism of the kind routinely applied to anti-racist Jews by racist Zionists and their supporters. However you can read what The Guardian does not want you to know or think about by Googling "Censorship by The Guardian Australia".”
This user is a New Matilda supporter. Tokujiro
Posted Thursday, August 21, 2014 - 16:42
At last some nuanced discussion - apart from Gideon POLYA and Antony LOWENSTEIN - both excellent reporters on this - let's have more - regular extract/dissenting reports - from Ha'aretz/other sources WITHIN Israel/Paestine - might be a start?
Disturbed
Posted Thursday, August 21, 2014 - 17:20
What a one sided piece of writing !
Just by supporting Israels position Zionists have now become Stalinists by Mr Brull. I support Israels position but that does not make me a Zionist or Stalinist by any stretch of Mr Brull's imagination.I find this sort of labelling just ridiculous.Same goes for the good Doctor.
And now it's not Hamas firing the rockets it's the Islamic Jihad. Apparently there are 5 other Jihadist groups firing rockets , all from Gaza territory. Is Mr Brull saying, that Hamas has no more control of Gaza ? I bet the Gaza population would love to get rid of Hamas and their associated jihadists , if they would ever get an opportunity . When is the next democratic election in Gaza ? It's Hamas and their terrorist associates who bring death and destruction to their own population.
Syd Walker - the reason why the general public is not buying your 9/11 jewish conspiracy obsession is simply that it is straight out of Lala land. You do not have a shred of evidence.
This user is a New Matilda supporter. DrGideonPolya
Posted Thursday, August 21, 2014 - 17:45
@ Syd - numerous science, engineering, architecture, aviation, military and intelligence experts from around the world assert that the US Government had to have been be involved in the 9-11 atrocity (for a detailed and documented compendium of such expert views see "Experts: US did 9-11": https://sites.google.com/site/expertsusdid911/ ) . Buildings like WT7 (not hit by planes or severe fires) don’t spontaneously collapse perfectly into their footprint with almost zero resistance against gravitational fall without human agency.
Of these experts some assert Israeli involvement in 9-11 e.g. General Hamid Gul (former Director-General of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), Pakistan's premier intelligence agency); Christopher Bollyn (US journalist and Middle East intimate); Alan Hart (US journalist, author and Middle East intimate); Dr Alan Sabrosky (US veteran and military academy professor); Professor Francesco Cossiga (63rd prime minister, 8th president and lifetime senator of Italy, professor of law at the University of Sassari, Sardinia, and intelligence intimate) ; and Wikispooks (see Wikispooks, “9-11: Israeli did it”: https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9/11:Israel_did_it ).
Of course reason, science and expert opinion are all swamped and trumped by the vast , lying propaganda of the Neocon Amerocvan and Zionist Imperialist (NAZI)-perverted Mainstream media presstitutes ,
twoeyehead
Posted Thursday, August 21, 2014 - 18:18
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This user is a New Matilda supporter. Barney
Posted Thursday, August 21, 2014 - 18:46
I think I will have to give up on reading comments when they talk about Israeli involvement in 9/11. What a load of twaddle and bigotry! The people who hijacked the planes were Saudis and Egyptians. Bin Laden boasted of his achievements. Get a brain!
jules s
Posted Thursday, August 21, 2014 - 20:59
That is total bullshit kev and you know it. If you were so sure of yourself where is your evidence? Names please, and dates and other things that can identify individuals involved with an actual crime. Not that you're gonna provide them. You don't have them (I know cos I know better researchers than you who spent years looking for that evidence, couldn't find it and concluded the reason was they weren't involved - even the guys on the bridge had no connection to the events other than trying to follow what was going on,) do you peanut.
You too Syd. Ok I didn't read that NIST report because .. well lets face it they couldn't even get their facts right on their report into the Twin Towers collapsing. But even if its (the claim about building 7) true you still cannot make any actual evidence available that connects any Israeli to any action that enabled or caused Sept 11.
By continuing to do so you are being racist. You are accusing "mainstream Jewry", one of whom wriote the article at the top of the page, of organising a conspiracy that killed thousands based on what is actually no evidence whatsoever.
Dr Poyla
Its clearly visible that building 7 was hit by hundreds or thousands of tons of concrete from the collapse of one of the towers. you can see it on most videos of the collapses. There are photos all over the net of massive holes in the walls of building 7 and huge areas where floors have been obiterated by that concrete.
Would that be the same ISI that allegedly paid Mohammad Atta 100K via BCCI bank in 2000 or 2001? Given that and its other history the ICI is hardly trustworthy.
Anyway this is the last comment I'm making on 9/11.
Here is Douglas Rushkoff's pov on the issue:
One more point from an impossible to find article from a rapper named Justin Boland aka Wombaticus Rex aka Brainsturbator called Plain and Simple: Fuck 9/11
I suggest you think about it.
jacke
Posted Thursday, August 21, 2014 - 21:47
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MazelMan
Posted Friday, August 22, 2014 - 00:40
Brull makes a pathetic analogy in an effort to beschmirch those who support Israel. It's a case of throwing mud and hoping some of it will stick.
I hesitate to imagine what analogies one could drum up for supporters of a fascist theocratic terrorist pseudo state that has a charter containing references (refer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Covenant) to anti-Semitic canards, such as the assertion that through shrewd manipulation of imperial countries and secret societies, Jews were behind a wide range of events and disasters going as far back in history as the French Revolution. The document also quotes Islamic religious texts to provide justification for fighting against and killing the Jews, without distinction of whether they are in Israel or elsewhere. It presents the Arab-Israeli conflict as an inherently irreconcilable struggle between Jews and Muslims, and Judaism and Islam, adding that the only way to engage in this struggle between "truth and falsehood" is through Islam and by means of jihad, until victory or martyrdom.
Sounds absurd when you have Left wing idiots supporting an organisation that shows the same traits that were exhibited by the Nazis.
maflaja
Posted Friday, August 22, 2014 - 20:32
I just wonder, if significant number of Israelis had become refugees (and it's not as impossible as one might think) then many countries could be very hesitant before accepting people so full of hate for others.
Kevin Charles H...
Posted Saturday, August 23, 2014 - 13:44
Mazel Man:
do you really expect that the unsourced, poorly argues tripe you've posted has any impact on peoples' views.
ECAJ really should revisit who it employs as hasbara trolls.
Kevin Charles H...
Posted Saturday, August 23, 2014 - 13:50
For those hasbara trolls above, who can't analyse the copy as presented, may I suggest that you click on the above references supplied by Syd Walker & Dr Gideon Polya.
Read them...learn something......although it may be too late for you.
martyns
Posted Saturday, August 23, 2014 - 17:39
Good thought provoking article. I doubt the Israeli's were responsible for 9/11 but am sure that they were responsible for the attack on the unarmed US spy ship USS Liberty in June 1967. The fact that Israel got away with it shows the enormous power of Israel's supporters in the USA. Unfortunately, until the power of the American support of Israel is broken this conflict will continue. I've Jewish friends who are very worried about the situation and know that already Israeli's are buying homes in Europe, presumably as an escape mechanism for when living in Israel becomes impossible. It took two hundred years for the Arabs to eject the crusaders from Palestine and in due course they will eject the Israelis if they refuse to negotiate a settlement to their occupation.
Disturbed
Posted Saturday, August 23, 2014 - 18:29
Many Jews moving also from France and Germany to Israel because of a perception of rising anti semitism. Israel is a fact now and will not be ejected , where to anyway ? After WW1 and 2 many peoples aroumd the globe had to accept new realities. It has been tough and very tough for millions not only Palestinians.
What;s happening in Gaza is terrible and people there would rather stop the war now if they could. It's Hamas and their terroist affiliates who bring death and destruction because of their actions. News today seem to indicate that Hamas wants to distance themselves from the kidnapping and murder of the three Israelis , saying they did not authorize it. Also lately they make fine distinction between Hamas rockets and Islamic Jihad rockets.
As for 9/11 Syd Walker and the good Doctor have no evidence of any Israeli conspiracy. The sources above are just speculators, nothing else. They tour the globe with their conspiracy theories and write books . Ok . everybody has to make a living. Just wait until these delusionist types tell us that Israel is behind the disappearance of MH 370.