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Politics wrap: May 29, 2013

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One more sitting day of the week to go. What does it hold in store? Let's look back at the day that was to see if it offers any hints:

* former Labor leader Martin Ferguson announced he would leave Parliament at the September 14 election prompting tributes from all over the place;

* question time was a bit of a replay of yesterday with the opposition trying to accuse the government of going soft on national security and the government trying to rise above it and talk about other things likes jobs and education;

* the opposition will support the increases in family tax payments (the ones designed to take the sting out of the end of the baby bonus);

unhappiness from the cross bench about changes to party funding and some signs that there are those in opposition ranks who aren't too keen either;

* at this stage the legislation is still expected to be introduced tomorrow.

Watch this space.

Thanks to Andrew Meares and Alex Ellinghausen - super photographers - and all our readers and contributors.

See you in the marn. I mean morn.

 

 

 

 

I've been promising for some time to give you a little more detail on Andrew Wilkie's comments on electoral reform. I'm going to make a bold prediction that Mr Wilkie's comments are what quite a few people would like to hear from their MP.

"The proposal by the Labor and Liberal parties for all political parties, and successful independent candidates, to be paid an additional $1 for every vote is a dreadful decision entirely out of step with community expectations," Mr Wilkie says.

"Seems that one of the very few times Labor and Liberal can agree on something is when it's in their political and financial self interest."

The government has been making the case bipartisan support was needed for the changes which was why they were unable to lower the threshold for donation disclosure to $1,000 (although the opposition was more than happy to support increased party funding). The independents and Greens say they would have given the government support on the reduction in the threshold - although not on the increase in funding to parties.

Did the disclosure threshold get sacrificed in order to secure increased campaign funds?

The legislation is due to be introduced tomorrow. We'll see.

 

 

If you've got a sec then this is the video of Labor MP Anthony Byrne likening Opposition Leader Tony Abbott to former Latham leader Mark Latham (see 2.17 pm post).

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The Liberals thought they had a Labor ally in their attack on national security, until Anthony Byrne got to his feet in Parliament.

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Here is the video of the speeches given by Mr Ferguson, Ms Gillard and Mr Abbott.

 

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Martin Ferguson resigns

Former resources minister Martin Ferguson delivers an emotional speech announcing he will retire from Parliament at the upcoming election, Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott respond.

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Former prime minister Kevin Rudd has issued a statement in which he praises Mr Ferguson as "someone who always knows his stuff and [is] one of the world's genuinely good human beings".

"What always shines through are his fundamental Labor values of a fair go for all, by growing an economy through creative enterprise, enabling working people to get a decent job and providing a helping hand to those who needed it," Mr Rudd said.

"Martin did not just talk about these things. Martin went about doing these things....At a personal level I believe Martin Ferguson was one of the most outstanding ministers of the Rudd government. I regard it as a privilege to have Martin not only as a colleague from the past but also as a friend for the future."

Kevin Rudd embraces former minister Martin Ferguson.

Kevin Rudd embraces former minister Martin Ferguson. Photo: Andrew Meares

A point about Mr Ferguson's seat, Batman. It is Labor's safest seat, held by a margin of 24.8 per cent, which means it should be a pretty safe bet that Labor will hang on to it come September 14. Right?

Consider that Batman borders Greens' deputy leader Adam Bandt's inner city seat of Melbourne which he took from Labor in 2010. Batman takes in some of Melbourne's trendiest suburbs starting with Clifton Hill and Northcote and then fanning out towards the north. Mr Bandt was able to win his seat following the resignation of former minister Lindsay Tanner. The Greens' vote sky rocketed. Could the same thing happen here?

While my attention was captured by the resignation of Martin Ferguson a few other things were going on:

* the Coalition decided to support the increase in family tax payments (the ones designed to replace the baby bonus) despite what the opposition's treasury spokesman, Joe Hockey, was saying just last week;

*the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Social Justice Commissioner Mick Gooda has warned the NT's government's plan to lock up drunk people would criminalise a health problem; and

* breaking news reporter Judith Ireland has filed this story about Mr Ferguson's departure.

Former minister Martin Ferguson after he announced he will not contest the next election  on Wednesday.

Former minister Martin Ferguson after he announced he will not contest the next election on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Shortly before question time (1.57 pm post) I mentioned I would take you to independent MP Andrew Wilkie's press conference about electoral funding. But that was before Martin Ferguson resigned. I'll bring you an update on Mr Wilkie when I can - hopefully it won't be too far away.

The PM promises a fitting celebration to mark Mr Ferguson's service will be held.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard embraces former minister Martin Ferguson on Wednesday.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard embraces former minister Martin Ferguson on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Tony Abbott says goodbye.

Labor MP Martin Ferguson after question time on Wednesday.

Labor MP Martin Ferguson after question time on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Let bygones be bygones.

Labor MP Martin Ferguson after question time on Wednesday.

Labor MP Martin Ferguson after question time on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Ferguson was a key supporter of Mr Rudd.

Labor MP Martin Ferguson during question time on Wednesday.

Labor MP Martin Ferguson during question time on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

The Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, is emotional as he pays tribute to Mr Ferguson.

"I salute an honourable opponent and a great Australian," Mr Abbott says.

Labor MP Martin Ferguson during question time on Wednesday.

Labor MP Martin Ferguson during question time on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

MPs of all kinds are queuing up to shake Mr Ferguson's hand.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard listens to Martin Ferguson make his first and last speech as a backbencher  on Wednesday.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard listens to Martin Ferguson make his first and last speech as a backbencher on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Liberal MP Alex Hawke:

Former minister Martin Ferguson has announced he will leave Parliament (and his Melbourne seat of Batman) at the election.

Mr Ferguson resigned as a minister following the leadership debacle back in March. At the time he said he would recontest his seat and he did not believe in by elections.

Mr Ferguson has been an MP since 1996. Before that he was a union leader.

Mr Ferguson talked of the difficulties of watching his members lose their job while Labor governments were in power.

"Standing at the factory gates with people who had just lost their jobs all with the aim of reforming the economy was not easy," Mr Ferguson said.

Mr Ferguson thanked his staff, department and family.

"Life has never been easy with me due to long hours and lengthy stays away from home," he said.

The Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, praises his "tough minded" approach and says he can retire knowing he was a "pivotal part of a number of great Labor achievements".

 

Labor MP Martin Ferguson during question time on Wednesday.

Labor MP Martin Ferguson during question time on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

The words "pot", "kettle" and "black" might be crossing the minds of the cross bench given the Assistant Treasurer, David Bradbury, has been talking about the government's action on stamping out cartel like behaviour by companies.

Independent MP Rob Oakeshott used that very word - cartel - in relation to the agreement struck by the major parties on electoral funding (see 9.18 am post).

Independent MP Rob Oakeshott, Greens MP Adam Bandt and Independent MP Tony Windsor in discussion  during question time on Wednesday.

Independent MP Rob Oakeshott, Greens MP Adam Bandt and Independent MP Tony Windsor in discussion during question time on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

This is all feeling very much like yesterday (which, in turn, was feeling very much like about ten years ago).

The opposition is doing its darndest to pin down the government on national security. It's trying a two pronged attack - the funding of intelligence organisations and numbers of asylum seekers.

The government is busy not rising to the bait and soberly asking the opposition not to "go down the low road of trying to provoke fear in the community," as the PM said.

Instead, the government is very busy talking about everything else - jobs, superannuation, families.

Although the PM wasn't impressed to get a question from Coalition MP Bronwyn Bishop about a very old story that she did not, as deputy prime minister, attend all meetings of the national security community.

By allowing that question, the PM says, the opposition leader shows he is "unfit to lead".

Opposition leader Tony Abbott during question on Wednesday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott during question on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

I really prefer the Canberra region reds.

Crossbench MPs Peter Slipper and Craig Thomson during question time on Wednesday.

Crossbench MPs Peter Slipper and Craig Thomson during question time on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

No MP likes to be compared to Mark Latham. It's like garlic to a vampire. Yet more bipartisanship.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott reacts as he is compared to Mark Latham by Anthony Byrne during question time on Wednesday.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott reacts as he is compared to Mark Latham by Anthony Byrne during question time on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Government congratulating themselves on wriggling out of a potentially tight spot.

The opposition is trying to force Labor MP Anthony Byrne (chair of the Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security) to repeat views he made to Parliament on Monday in which he questioned the government's funding of the intelligence community.

The government argues the question is out of order because it sought a view but the opposition's question is ruled in order.

Mr Bryne rises and says he has nothing further to add to his previous statement other than to fire a few shots over the opposition's bows.

National security is being "thrown around like a political football," Mr Byrne says. "You [Mr Abbott] are the least qualified opposition leader to talk about national security since Mark Latham."

 

 

Labor MP Anthony Byrne during Question Time on Wednesday.

Labor MP Anthony Byrne during Question Time on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Question time.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Treasurer Wayne Swan arrive for Question Time on Wednesday.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Treasurer Wayne Swan arrive for Question Time on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Hmmm. Mr Jones (see 1.46 pm post) says he fully supports the government's restrictions on gambling ads but warns companies to comply or face further intervention by Parliament.

So that would seem to boot the issue well into the life of the next Parliament.

Labor MP Stephen Jones in the House of Representatives on Wednesday.

Labor MP Stephen Jones in the House of Representatives on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Independent MP Andrew Wilkie says he will not vote for the electoral reforms legislation. If it passes Parliament he will exercise the opt-out provision that will be included in the bill and not accept the increased funding.

He has issued a brief statement but will hold a press conference after question time. We'll come back to him then.

 

This from the Labor MP who was one of the strongest proponents for restrictions of gambling ads during sports broadcasts:

 

One big party MP is certainly feeling the weight of public opinion when it comes to electoral reform.

 

Where are we up to (with half an hour to go until question time)?

You might have noticed the government is being very busy governing - lots of legislation being introduced, senior ministers out and about all talking about important things. Not much mention of electoral reform.

The opposition is keen on national security. Its attorney-general spokesman George Brandis just had to tell everyone he had an ASIO briefing last night. Senator Brandis and colleagues posed with the former ASIO head this morning. Not much mention of electoral reform.

A few other things are going on that I've so far neglected to mention (my apologies):

* charities are warning current trends will lead to an underclass of asylum seekers with little money and no right to work;

* the reduction of carbon emissions that would be delivered by the Coalition's direct action plan has been questioned at a budget estimates committee hearing; and

* the NSW Education Minister, Adrian Piccoli, is in town to tell his federal colleagues they have got it wrong when it comes to the government's education reforms.

Not much time to stop and smell the flowers today. But they are pretty.

 

Flowers at the Cancer Council morning tea at Parliament House on Wednesday.

Flowers at the Cancer Council morning tea at Parliament House on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Look, Rob, when I said "bipartisan support" I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Of course we still love you guys.

Leader of the House Anthony Albanese in discussion with Independent MP Rob Oakeshott in the House of Representatives on Wednesday.

Leader of the House Anthony Albanese in discussion with Independent MP Rob Oakeshott in the House of Representatives on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

The Greens are also accusing the government of reneging on their deal with it comes to electoral reform (a la Rob Oakeshott - see 10.04am and 9.39am posts). Leader Christine Milne has called it a "weak deal stitched up by the old parties [that] is a betrayal of the Labor-Greens agreement in 2010".

Senator Milne says the increases in public funding for parties (which the Greens would benefit from) should be linked to further reforms on corporate donations and "limited election spending".

The Greens - like other parties - are finding the private donations landscape rocky at the moment. At the last election the Greens benefited from a $1.6 million donation from web entrepreneur and media player Graeme Wood - the largest single political donation in Australian history. Mr Wood has since said he will not be making further political contributions.

Independent Senator Nick Xenophon is also upset by the changes.

But the government argues they are necessary in order to stop the creeping influence of corporations and other private interests.

What do you think? Our reader poll on that very question is here.

 

Independent Senator Nick Xenophon speaks at Parliament House on Wednesday.

Independent Senator Nick Xenophon speaks at Parliament House on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Bipartisanship is everywhere today.

Labor backbencher Kevin Rudd and Coalition frontbencher Joe Hockey are at this minute catching some autumn sunshine in the courtyard of Aussie's, the Parliament House cafe.

What could they be talking about?

(PS. Joe had but a bottle of water in front of him. No wonder he's so svelte these days. The rules governing photography inside the building prevent us from taking and publishing photographs of the pair.)

 

In yesterday's question time the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, said a report that the plans to the new ASIO building has been stolen in a China-based hacking operation contained "a number of unsubstantiated allegations about hacking".

This morning the opposition's attorney-general spokesman, George Brandis, said he had received a briefing from ASIO head David Irvine and that Ms Gillard's claims were false.

It gets a bit murky here. Ms Gillard did not specify which parts of the original report - on ABC TV's Four Corners on Monday night - were wrong. Because the PM did not elaborate, we cannot deduce from Senator Brandis's remarks about what she said that was supposedly false.

Everyone is invoking national security.

However by coming out and disclosing at least some of the content of the ASIO briefing Senator Brandis has opened himself up to some criticism from the government that he's talking out of school.

Breaking news reporter Judith Ireland has the ins and outs of where this story is up to. Let's face it - any story about spies makes for irresistible reading.

A Cancer Council morning tea on Wednesday.

A Cancer Council morning tea on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Let's not be cynical for one moment. Some things are bipartisan. Like cancer, for example.

Photographer-about-Parliament Alex Ellinghausen has produced this lovely image of the Minister for Health, Tanya Plibersek, and her opposition counterpart, Peter Dutton, at the twentieth anniversary of the annual morning tea fundraiser organised by the Cancer Council.

Some might accuse the political parties of self interest when it comes to the matter of electoral laws. I couldn't possibly comment.

But since you might be reaching for that second cup of coffee right about now it seems like a good time to point to two thoughtful pieces running in Fairfax Media today.

The first is by the Sydney Morning Herald's economics editor, Ross Gittins, who writes about voter cynicism. Ross argues that naivety and cynicism about politics is fed by "unrealistic expectations" about what governments can do.

"The antidote to both naivety and cynicism is reasonson scepticism and it's because we didn't exercise it from the start that we end up disillusioned and cynical," Ross writes.

The second is by the eminent economist and former government adviser, Ross Garnaut, now a Vice-Chancellor's Fellow at the University of Melbourne.

Professor Garnaut says we face two choices at the end of the mining boom - business as usual or the public interest. He argues in favour of public interest, a tougher path for politicians to choose.

 

Meanwhile, Coalition MPs including Philip Ruddock, attorney-general spokesman George Brandis, leader Tony Abbott and foreign affairs spokeswoman Julie Bishop have met the former head of ASIO, Paul O'Sullivan.

Philip Ruddock, George Brandis, Tony Abbott and Julie Bishop on Wendesday.

Philip Ruddock, George Brandis, Tony Abbott and Julie Bishop on Wendesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

The newest player on the political scene doesn't think much of the new electoral reforms either.

 

Does that seem a bit cute to you?

It did to breaking news reporter Jonathan Swan who can be seen on the right of this picture asking Mr Albanese about this new discovered "island of bipartisanship". No word on whether the island is part of the migration zone or not.

Leader of the House Anthony Albanese speaks to the media on Wednesday.

Leader of the House Anthony Albanese speaks to the media on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

One of the government's most senior ministers, Anthony Albanese, has just wrapped up a press conference that was ostensibly on jobs but was actually about electoral reform.

Mr Albanese put forward the argument that electoral reform was an issue that demanded political bipartisanship.

"If I was standing here saying the Labor Party has a partisan piece of legislation that's opposed by the alternative government three months out from an election I think there might be a bit of criticism," Mr Albanese said.

(This theory, mind you, relates only to the issue of electoral reform. Normally governments are happy get legislation through with whatever support they can find but on the issue of taxpayer funding for political parties both of the big players need to agree. Apparently.)

 

 

Leader of the House Anthony Albanese leaves a doorstop interview at Parliament House on Wednesday.

Leader of the House Anthony Albanese leaves a doorstop interview at Parliament House on Wednesday.

The Attorney-General, Mark Dreyfus, is busy in the House of Representatives introducing legislation that will allow the referendum on local government recognition to take place.

Yesterday Mr Dreyfus said he would also be introducing electoral reform legislation. However that legislation has now been delayed until tomorrow.

Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus at Parliament House on Tuesday.

Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus at Parliament House on Tuesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

I promised to bring you the video of Mr Oakeshott's interview with Tim Lester (9.18am). Here it is.

Mr Oakeshott says the government's inability to lower the donor disclosure threshold to $1000 is a breach of the agreement he signed with Prime Minister Julia Gillard in the tumultuous days following the 2010 election.

"There is a path through this parliament right now with the support of the cross bench in the lower house and the support of the Greens in the upper house to achieve a threshold of reportable donations of $1000," Mr Oakeshott says.

"I am baffled as are many that the government has chosen not to take that."

 

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Electoral funding legislation which would lower disclosure rates and give candidates $1 for every vote received is 'cartel behaviour' says Independent MP Rob Oakeshott.

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The head of the ABC, Mark Scott, was due to appear before budget estimates committees today. But he's stuck in Sydney's fog which has left him with not much to do but tweet.

However he has advised he will make his date with the committee. The Coalition can hardly wait.

Rob Oakeshott isn't the only one upset by the electoral changes. Over in the Senate John Madigan, who represents the Democratic Labor Party, also smells a rat.

"This place is rotten to the core...I"d like to see it implode," Senator Madigan told a local Victorian paper.

"They wonder why people hate their bloody guts and we have a high informal vote. I've run over better rabbits than these people."

 

 

Well, well, well. Budget emergency, what budget emergency?

There is much unhappiness on the cross bench at the major parties' deal to backpay themselves millions of dollars in extra funding ahead of the September 14 election.

Yesterday the government announced changes to electoral laws that would, among other things, bring down the threshold of disclosure for political donations and give parties more money in public funding.

It has now emerged that so called "administrative funding" will be paid in time for a pre election party spendathon.

Independent MP Rob Oakeshott has told breaking news reporter Jonathan Swan the deal - stitched up between the major parties - "smacks of cartel and collusion behaviour".

You can read Jonathan's story here and I'll have a video of an interview Mr Oakeshott recorded with Tim Lester shortly.

 

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  • At last - it's taken four years - but someone has finally had the balls to compare Tony Abbott to Mark Latham! Abbott has had a whiff of Latham about him ever since he ascended to the Liberal leadership - why hasn't the ALP used the "Latham wedge" to stab Abbott through the heart as mercilessly as Van Helsing would stake a vampire! Latham was viewed by the electorate as an "unsafe pair of hands" and proved it with his dummy spit departure from Parliament. On past form, Abbott has also had plenty of his own dummy spits and is still yet to prove that he is a responsible MP, let alone a responsible future PM!

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    Damian
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    May 29, 2013, 4:42PM
    • +1 comment of the day ...

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      juileep
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      May 29, 2013, 5:29PM
  • You'd reckon that the seat of Melbourne will be back in Labor hands in September. Liberal preferences won't go to the Greens this time, and Bandt will be a one-termer.

    It could finish up being Labor's only gain.

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    Hacka
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    May 29, 2013, 4:22PM
    • Hacka, I know you're a big fan of going completely off topic in the middle of a conversation - what do you think of the Coalition now supporting all of the measures in Labor's bad budget?

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      jofek
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      May 29, 2013, 4:34PM
    • I agree. if the greens had any brains they would have worked with the Coalition on some topics to allow some preference pragmatism. Milne has blown it so they will be hung out to try tactically and thus disappear from view in the House.

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      Marc1960
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      May 29, 2013, 4:36PM
  • Will Money for Votes split between Nationals and LNP or will it be placed in one big bucket? And what do the national MPs think about it? Been strangely quiet!

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    Jitterry
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    May 29, 2013, 4:20PM
  • Tony Abbott and the liberals are so far ahead in the polls they can agree to any Labor policy or suggestion upto Sept 15.

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    Garry of Melbourne
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    May 29, 2013, 4:18PM
  • Fancy Labor reminding everyone of how unqualified Latham was, the guy who was replaced by the 'dysfunctional' Rudd who was then replaced by the 'unelectable' Julia.

    As we get towards the end it just
    keeps getting better and better.

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    SteveH.
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    May 29, 2013, 4:04PM
    • Labor was reminding us that Latham was a bullet the country was lucky to dodge and putting us on notice that Abbott is a bullet we will need to also dodge ... they are cut from very similar cloth ...

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      juileep
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      May 29, 2013, 4:31PM
    • Unelectable Julie - hmmm I think you must of had a memory fade as last I saw Julie and Labor was running the country. That loss is still eating Abbott up with him praying to god every night.

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      Graham Maine
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      May 29, 2013, 5:12PM
  • how long before Martin is employed by one of the mining or energy companies??

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    KD
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    May 29, 2013, 4:00PM
  • Other than journos, is there a worse bunch of people to deal with National Security than politicians?
    Especially those in Opposition

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    Jim Bookie
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    May 29, 2013, 3:53PM
    • It's like putting school children in charge

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      Jitterry
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      May 29, 2013, 4:07PM
  • Gee - Truthful Julia's 'rock' looks like it's just one digit away from the registry office

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    enough is enough
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    May 29, 2013, 3:43PM
  • Wow! Martin Ferguson resigning his seat of Batman. With a margin of 24.8%, Labor's safest seat will be hotly contested. The infighting will be entertaining.

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    Lewis from The Hills
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    May 29, 2013, 3:35PM
    • Forget the margin how cool is the name!!
      Naa na na na naa....

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      Clayton
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      May 29, 2013, 3:46PM
    • Judging by the Gellibrand pre-selection comedy, yes it should be entertaining.

      Do you think at that margin it's safe ?

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      Hacka
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      May 29, 2013, 3:55PM
    • Batman is there for Paul Howse if he wants it. It may be too early for the future leader of the ALP to take a seat, particularly when Labor are about to get a flogging at the next election - but you never know.

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      Tim of Altona
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      May 29, 2013, 4:09PM
    • I heard that we can expect Martin to be one of the first diplomatic appointments of the new government. Washington Rome or Wellington

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      MarkSussex
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      May 29, 2013, 4:40PM
  • Wasn't Gillard one of Latham's main Labor backers, and his deputy? Another manifestation of her judgement (or lack thereof).

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    AdamC
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    May 29, 2013, 3:17PM
    • She was one of Rudd's main backers too. Whatever it takes.

      Unions aside, loyalty to anyone hasn't exactly been a hallmark of the Gillard years. Just ask Fergo and Crean.

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      Hacka
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      Canberra
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      May 29, 2013, 3:38PM
  • Unfit to lead!!! Let's check Votes & proceedings for the number of times that both the Prime Minister and the DPM (Swan) were both kicked out of Parliament during the lead-up to the 2007 election. Quite a number of times, so it seems, including during late May 2007 (but for one example).

    In 2010, the PM kept saying about there being no carbon tax under "a Government that I lead". This Prime Minister works viciously to a 24 hour news cycle -- as soon as it's up, it's yesterday's news, tomorrow's fish and chip wrapping, and all but ancient history. That's why a constructive, engaging, intellectual discussion, debate, or exchange with anyone senior in Government is virtually impossible these days. This morning, the AG declined to go on radio with Neil Mitchall, with his office stating that "he had more serious business to do". Gary Gray however did go on radio to defend the change in electoral donation laws, yet virtually all the way through the broadcast sounded like he was half snickering. These fellas can't even be serious. They say, announce, or do somehting, then close down literally every avenue of free speech, or, as Gary Gray did this morning, attempted then to simply bully down, criticise and harangue the media.

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    Grant
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    May 29, 2013, 3:00PM
    • I hear ya Grantman, I am with you. But lets not blow a head gasket to early. We all know these things. It is important that we smile and laugh about the incompetence.. and trust our fellow citizens and our democracy... 'She'll be right mate', this problem will be resolved in less than 100 sleeps :)

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      Cwitty
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      May 29, 2013, 3:30PM
    • Grant - you are either wilfully mendacious or spectacularly ill informed.
      There is one - but one quote that is referred to, which is half to answer given to the Sunrise programme at 7am whilst the PM was in Brisbane. There are many, many examples of the policy that the ALP took to the electorate about putting a price on carbon. e.g. The official manifesto, and the last interview given by the PM, in the Australian, that appeared the day before the election.
      Like all Lib hacks, you wont let the FACTS get in the way of your little fantasy world.

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      JBG
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      Sydney
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      May 29, 2013, 3:43PM
    • At last count 46% of us are happy she changed her mind and there will be a price on carbon. Yes we know she can't be trusted.

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      Francis
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      May 29, 2013, 3:59PM
  • Mr Byrne is the labor memsber for Holt. He is also Chair of the Joint Intelligence Committee. On Monday, at page 16 of hansard, he said: "as I have said here in the past that I would come before this parliament and talk to it and inform it if the efficiency dividend and its continued implementation affected operability of the intelligence agencies, I believe that this report establishes that that is now happening—and that is completely unacceptable.The agencies are tasked to protect our national security and I, frankly, find it astonishing that these agencies would have been effectively sequestered from funding to perform their tasks. I think it is disgraceful and it should be addressed."

    That is about as damning an indictment as one could get from a senior ghovernment politician who, quite literally, only a heartbeat from being a Minister. Most Committee Chairs, form the next round of ministers. So, query, the confidence held by the Chair with regard to his Government, and more importantly, his minister.

    Politics - yes. But even more sinisterly so on the part of the Government.

    As it is, there was the earlier report from Monday regarding Israel not being prepared to replace its Mossad liaison in Canberra for so long as Labor remained in power. Then there was Wikileaks regarding who amongst Labor were regular informants to the US Government.

    Labor and security -- two things that do not match (except for Kim Beazley who knew, knows and respects security, defence and leadership, all into one).

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    Grant
    Location
    Mitcham
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 2:52PM
    • Gillard and Labor generally, are out of their depth when it comes to national security matters as evidenced by Gillards sometimes nervous obfuscation in QT. The sooner the coalition return to power and sort this out the better.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 3:40PM
  • Stephen Jones might regret that tweet.

    Who is Anthony Byrne surrendering to - one of the Canberra Raiders with a Huawei shirt ?

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 2:23PM
  • Will the ban on gambling ads during sports broadcasts include events such as Melbourne Cup? Or will we finally admit horse racing is only about gambling and not actually a sport?

    Commenter
    Jitterry
    Location
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 1:54PM
  • More Hypocritical Hyperbole from the LNP is the answer to your headline

    Commenter
    AndreP
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 1:25PM
  • Maybe Kev's thinking about joining the Liberal Party, keep the PM ambitions alive.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 1:23PM
    • You can have him Hacka.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 1:43PM
    • Kev and Mal would make a formidable team - the current LNP leadership should be afraid very afraid.

      Commenter
      mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 1:47PM
    • It's simple. Poor old Kevin 07 has just run out of ALP friends so he is now having to supper with the devil.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party/.Greens La La Land
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 2:01PM
  • So Gillard said the story contained "a number of unsubstantiated allegations about hacking". That could mean anything. After all, apparently it is impossible to know the exact source of the hack, so some of the story was indeed based on speculation. Which by its nature is unsubstantiated.

    Then Brandis comes out and basically confirms the story is true so he can accuse Gillard of lying about a denial that was almost certainly correct (although carefully worded - as it should be).

    Are Oppositions generally allowed to reveal secret intelligence information for political purposes? Does politics override the need for national security?

    Commenter
    CaveatEmpty
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 1:10PM
    • I thought the unwritten rule was that in opposition you odn't comment on national security (senitive materail) and foreign relations (again sensitive stuff)

      Commenter
      Jitterry
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 1:17PM
    • Since when the current mob of LNP politician let the national issues override their political politics ?

      Commenter
      mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 1:30PM
    • "political politics"

      Succinct. Pithy. Meaningless.

      Commenter
      Louis Cypher
      Location
      Hades
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 1:42PM
    • Gillard bungling the ASIO hacking incident is just another example of how her administration just cannot seem to get the basics of governing right. What is the point of obfuscating and potentially misleading the Parliament once an event has already become notorious? Amateur hour.

      Commenter
      AdamC
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 1:51PM
    • Adam. Agree. Its that time - Cue the jo jos circus theme again

      Commenter
      Commando - Involved again
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 2:28PM
    • AdamC: Bradis revealing the contents of his secret ASIO briefing = Gillard's fault?

      Unbelievable.

      Commenter
      Andy
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 2:46PM
    • AdamC, Gillard confirmed or denied nothing. It sounds like Brandis is the one who has breached national security protocols and is the one who now has questions to answer.

      Commenter
      jofek
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 2:58PM
    • Andy, come off it Brandis said what he did because Gillard gave a misleading impression of the accuracy of the 4 Corners report in the first place. (To the Parliament, no less.) Why did she do that? Do you have some special knowledge of the government's motivations that I do not?

      Commenter
      AdamC
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 3:07PM
  • Didn't the Greens very publicly renounce their "deal" with Labor some time ago? In this case, why would they expect Labor to continue honouring it?

    Commenter
    Andy
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 1:02PM
  • Oakeshott and Windsor have milked this government for everything they could have (look at how many committees they are on which equates to extra $ for them individually). And now they see the writing on the wall, they are crying foul.
    Very hypocritical indeed.

    Commenter
    notlad
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 1:02PM
    • Not hypocritical at all, responsible is the word I'd use. They both had an enormous amount of responsibility thrust upon them. Both are very measured and informed before making decisions. A case in point the MDBP to which Windsor spent an enormous amount of time on, to get it right.
      They take their positions of power very seriously, not to be compared to Harradine or Fielding.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 1:35PM
    • Yep measured all right - remember the pictures of them in spain looking at a solar panel.
      and informed.

      Commenter
      e Nuff
      Location
      ACT
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 3:05PM
  • "Well, well, well. Budget emergency, what budget emergency?"

    There never was one and this deal between the Liberals and the ALP proves Tony Abbot never believed there was one, it was all lies from his side...again!

    Commenter
    Kouta
    Location
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 12:58PM
  • I'm still confused about the immigration zone now 'excluding the mainland'.
    Can they still arrive in Tasmania?

    Commenter
    Saddington
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 12:45PM
    • Possibly, but the risk is minimal. I mean, would you?

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 12:57PM
    • Maybe all the refugee's could help stimulate the Tassie economy as well? You may be onto something.

      Though I am still at ends to see how we can exclude our mainland from an immigration zone?

      Commenter
      Indeed
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 1:30PM
    • It's commonly called elastic borders.
      Timor Sea a case in point re oil/gas reserves. They all do it and for different reasons, to suit themselves.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 2:48PM
  • What is Brandis even thinking?? Receiving a confidential ASIO briefing and immediately blabbing about it in an attempt to score political points! Especially where Gillard's comment was clearly couched in ambigous "neither confirm nor deny" type language that can't be proven right or wrong. Reminds me of Julie Bishop who publicly disclosed Aust. use of foreign passports in an attempt to score political points. Is nothing off-limits to these people or have they completely lost sight of their apparent duty to Country over Party??

    Commenter
    Bob
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 12:39PM
    • Brandis and Bishop ... be afraid ... very afraid ...

      Commenter
      juileep
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 12:48PM
    • Gillard and Swan......be afraid.......very afraid

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 12:54PM
    • Brandis and Bishop don't appear to have a solid grasp of the law or politcal etiquette and that makes them very scary .. on the other hand Gillard and Swan have not put a foot wrong with International Relations ... why on earth would Brandis blab about this security issue to the press if not to just big himself up? He's truly frightening ...

      Commenter
      juileep
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 1:09PM
    • Gillard and Swan......be afraid.......very afraid

      Too late to be afraid look at the damage they have already done!

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 1:18PM
    • Julieep,

      Gillard committed East Timor to being a "partner" with us in one of her early "solutions" to refugees. The only problem was, she forgot to consult East Timor first.

      Just one example. I could mention the live export debacle too....

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 1:35PM
    • juileep, you forgot to mention Bob Carr as he is the Foreign Minister isn't he?

      Commenter
      Indeed
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 1:37PM
    • Mr Carr is indeed the Foreign Minister and seems to be doing a good job of it .. .and I'll see your live export 'debarcle' and raise you a UN seat ...

      Commenter
      juileep
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 2:38PM
  • It is a price we pay for transparency in political donation. The original non-disclosure limit proposed by the ALP was $1,000 but Julia has to increase to $5,000 to lock the LNP in(currently is $12,000) If they do not agree they may unravel it when they in government.

    Commenter
    mais51
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 11:46AM
  • Who cares it's a beat up. One man wants $1000 limit the preferred position is 5000. 1000 will change nothing anyway people will still get around it as for the $1 per vote it's the same for everyone independent and all parties and 10 mill is almost nothing. I agree with Oakshot on some things but betrayal in politics come on your kidding he'd do exactly the same if he had to

    Commenter
    Don
    Location
    Geelong
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 11:30AM
  • THe million dollar question is who gets paid for the informal Or do they just divide that 50/50 as the spoils of war so to speak

    Commenter
    Dirty Den
    Location
    Gosford
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 11:25AM
    • http://www.aec.gov.au/voting/informal_voting/

      If this is anything to go by, then there would be no financial gain for either. But there would be a hidden clause somewhere on who gets the gain. I'd say it's possibly awarded to the incumbent?

      Commenter
      Indeed
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 12:19PM
    • Interesting question. Common and legal sense would say the $ would not go to anyone.
      But saying 50/50 is way off the mark, we have a lot more political parties than that and Indis.
      Oakshott is on the money and a well considered argument in his clip. Particularly how many holes in the legislation and how a huge donation could be divided up between branches.
      I'll take his word, he's not one to sprout off just for the sake of it.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 12:22PM
  • Do indies get money as well or is it limited to just the parties?

    Commenter
    Jitterry
    Location
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 11:06AM
    • We are double checking this with the Attorney-General's office but believe they do.

      Commenter
      Stephanie
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 11:13AM
    • Also, find out what happens to informal vote payments. Are they distributed?

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 12:02PM
    • Why else would Craig Thomson be running as an Indie!

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 12:15PM
  • I am not so sure calling this section 'The Pulse' is really advisable.

    I detect little pulse, and certainly no heart, in the major parties.

    Why do people rage against the Independents? Because they hold a mirror up to the whole sorry mess, the bought-out hacks that infest both major parties, and their supporters hate to be shown what is really going on.

    Australians, in terms of politics, by and large, would rather pretend Canberra doesn't exist (except when we get bought off at every election.

    The irony is that the integrity and inquisitiveness of the Independents should be the rule, to ensure accountable Government, not the exception.

    Commenter
    Homo Politicanus
    Location
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 10:42AM
    • sadly HP, these "independents" want their 15 mins of fame saying "(my selection) is a great day for democracy" and then achieving the square root of 0 by the end.

      and then there are simply too many of them, all with their own unique vested interests. I say we replace government with two elected councils, one of which sits down and nut out a few ideas to sort out one problem (ie, renewable energy, transport, hospitals, education etc), and the other which debates the plans to take the best out of them and reject the worst elements, all with public input.

      that and no chance for any lobby group whatsoever to get their money on a project should fix this quagmire we're in.

      Commenter
      Trentley
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 11:12AM
    • I take your point, but do not forget that the Labor Government has gone back on major promises made to The Greens, as well as made to Wilkie on Pokie Reform.

      Let's not forget the 'no government I lead will introduce a tax on carbon'...

      Independents like Brian Harradine were very effective for Tassie.

      Why do you think Centrelink placed its national pay centre for its 28,000 employees in Burnie Tasmania?

      The major parties have been corrupted by not being challenged and are in a terrible rut

      Hence the popularity of Katter etc., who are written off as mavericks because they have the utter gall to say what they think.

      The major parties are part of the paintwork - they are corporations that run like the bureaucracy - they will tell people anything to achieve power and hold onto it.

      I agree that the hung parliament and what it resulted in has led to some very unedifying spectacles, but at the same time I think it is important to have a very fresh perspective and that the Big Two players don't think they can run roughshod over the electorate.

      I will not look forward to the day when Tony Windsor especially leaves Canberra - a cut above the rest.

      And judging how the people of New England thought the sun shone out of Richard Torbay's rear end, I do not trust their judgment to put the best possible person in the Federal Seat.

      You don't get the change we need by continually voting the establishment back in - whether Labor or Liberal - all they can think about is destroying each other by any means possible.

      Politics may be a nasty business, but ultimately we vote the b#stards in like a bunch of lemmings.

      Commenter
      Homo Politicanus
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 12:42PM
    • Actually I rage against against the independents because they support a terrible government for their own self interest. With the exception of Wilkie, they don't even act like independents. I'll give them credit for not supporting the media reforms that Labor tried to rush through, however.

      Commenter
      adrian
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 12:44PM
    • I think it is a bit simplistic to say that the Independents are only there for their own self-interest, and by implication the major parties are not.

      Politics is as much about self-interest as it is for the greater good, which is what gets the major parties into so much trouble - they get so blinkered, they believe their own guff and forget they are talking to real, living, breathing people out here away from the bunker in Canberra.

      The Independents using opportunities to put some daylight between themselves and the parties is just common sense.

      Ask yourself this - why would Independents in conservative electorates place themselves in the invidious position of backing the Labor Party against the conservatives?

      That doesn't scream self-interest to me.

      It is all the party hacks who never say boo who are the self-interested ones.

      Commenter
      Homo Politicanus
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 12:59PM
    • "Ask yourself this - why would Independents in conservative electorates place themselves in the invidious position of backing the Labor Party against the conservatives?

      Because they were terrified of an early election which would see them thrown out before they could secure their pension and other perks.
      Also Oakeshott and Windsor have never hidden their personal dislike for Abbott which in my view is highly unprofessional.

      Commenter
      adrian
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 2:23PM
  • This self-entitled bunch of grifters needs a good swift kick up their collective backside. They are nothing but rorters and thieves - same old story - do as I say not as I do.
    These people are so transparently hypocritical and are only in it for the cash - to the detriment of the people. Not only do we have to prop up their ridiculous spendthrifting (with the added Medicare levy and the QLD govt flood levy every time it rains) they put their hands up whenever they feel like it for more money - none of this EBA or discussion with their employer (us) that the rest of us must go through - no, just put up your hand and we'll even throw in some backpay.
    Disgusting and deplorable behaviour - they should be ashamed of themselves - but what do they care?

    Commenter
    Snidery Mark
    Location
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 10:41AM
  • What about political donations from the unions (of the members' money)?

    Commenter
    Puzzled
    Location
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 10:38AM
    • What about them?

      Those funds saved this nation from work choices.

      In the past those funds helped better wages and conditions for workers.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 10:49AM
    • Why are they not covered by the same rules? In some "closed shop" industries you simply can't get a job without joining the union.. but the union gets to spend your money as they please.

      Sure, the unions should campaign on behalf of workers... not political parties.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 10:57AM
    • Seems like union funding is drying up, which is probably the main reason Labor are pushing this.

      Haven't a couple of unions disendorsed Labor and switched to the anti-jobs Greens ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 11:10AM
    • Labor people seem reluctant to apply the same standards to themselves as they apply to others. For example, why aren't union bosses subject to the same obligations as company directors? They are in a position of trust, after all. And we can all remember Julia Gillard's 'unfair dismissal' of Trish Crossin.

      Commenter
      AdamC
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 11:39AM
    • Steve,

      Just out of interest, I wonder if we would still have a car industry and plenty of manufacturing jobs, had Work Choices remained?

      I'm not a supporter of ALL of Work Choices, but do think much of it was good.

      Commenter
      dRod
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 12:18PM
  • better the funding for elections comes out of the one public pot where the electorate can see who gets what and know why ... otherwise we get situations like the one unfolding in New England where a certain QLD senator has been the recipient of $700 000 of private funding for his election by the countries richest woman. What she will want in return will be most interesting to find out but it won't be small or insignificant ... so to me best no election funding comes from vested interests. Swan is correct to say it should start with this election ...

    Commenter
    juileep
    Location
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 10:14AM
    • Julieeep,

      I hope you are including Unions in your rant. After all they are very "vested" in the ALP.

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 10:46AM
    • beast there about 18% of the population in a union .. I'm not sure why you're so fixated on them to be honest ... Unions have done a hell of a lot of good things for people and without them we would all be a lot worse off ..
      I'm posting in support of this because I find the alternative very worrying ...if a private citizen shells out 700 grand to a would be politican for their election campain then that private citizen has an agenda and that polititan will need at some time to payback and that is concerning

      Commenter
      juileep
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 11:45AM
    • Julieep,

      I draw your attention to the abolition of the ABCC.

      Please give me reason why the government would abolish an independent body that prevented the Unions from corruption in the Building Industry, other than payback for donations.

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 12:13PM
    • beast I don't know how your concerns about Union corruption have anything to do with my original comment ... it's your hobby horse not mine ...

      I'm happy for public funding of election campaigns as the private backing and fundraising of political donations seems open to abuse by vested interested ... also in the USA there are astromomical sums spent of electioneering (600 million per candiate etc etc) which I find appalling and unstainable and I'd rather we didn't go that way ...

      Commenter
      juileep
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 12:29PM
    • Julieep,

      It all comes down to your (and Wayne Swan's) interpretation of "vested interest" persons/groups.

      You cannot just say that Gina can't donate moneys, but the Unions can, as they both have "vested interest" and my example of the ABCC proves it.

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 12:38PM
    • beast I'm not saying that .. you are. I'm expressing concern that a very wealthy private citizen can stump up an astronomical amount of money to facilitate the parachuting of a politican into an area that that private citizen has no apparent connection to or with. What's in it for them I'm wondering and how can that be a good thing for a level playing field?

      Commenter
      juileep
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 12:47PM
    • Julieep,

      Do your research. Barnaby Joyce grew up in New England. He believes the people of New England voted for Windsor on the belief he was a "conservative". He is now giving them someone that is what they say they are.

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 12:59PM
    • I guess that is why Windsor is polling 49% of the primary vote then .. and I am still very concerned over this massive funding from the court of Rinehardt to pushing this QLD senator into a position of power ... remember Joyce will be Abbott's Deputy Prime Minister ... a thought that makes me shudder just typing it ... so what's in this for Gina hey?

      Commenter
      juileep
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 1:05PM
    • juileep, Totally with you except one matter. Joyce wants to be deputy PM, Truss is not retiring this term. Joyce has denied he will contest Truss, not that I'd believe that.
      I just hope the best MP in Australia Tony Windsor retains his seat and kicks some proverbial sand in Joyce's maverick face.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 1:32PM
    • a country girl .. I can think of no other reason for Barnaby to give up a safe senate seat to tip his hat in the ring for an outside chance of getting elected in another state except it's all a big roll of the dice to get the big prize ... personally I hope he gets a free pass back to the real world ... Abbott and Joyce at the helm with the rest of the Howard 'B' team ... shudders again ...

      Commenter
      juileep
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 2:00PM
    • Juleep.

      I guess that is why Windsor is polling 49% of the primary vote then ..

      http://www.21stcenturynews.com.au/independence-myth/

      Commenter
      Commando - Involved again
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 2:37PM
    • julieep, Yep that's his plan but denial, Truss wil get shoved, if. I do think that there's a lot to be said though in reminding people he may well be deputy PM. So when Tones is on his worldly adventures Barnably is effectively our PM, a scary reality check for those considering in voting for either!

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 2:43PM
    • a country girl my greatest fear is that Abbott gets in and then continues to do his He Man Pollie Pedals and Iron Man contests and truck driving stunts as per while She That Would Be Queen continues to run his office (and the country) as a personal fiefdom ... Abbott Joyce and Credlin with the rest of the Howard 'B' team ... sheesh the thought of that senario is bringing on the need for a Bex and a good lie down ... shudders again ...

      Commenter
      juileep
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 2:53PM
  • Newsflash For Oakeshott:

    "She doesn't need you anymore"

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 10:11AM
    • This might be a bit too dramatic but could this issue trigger the fall of the government ?

      The poor judgement by both parties is quite amazing, and the public, at least those of us that care, are fuming.

      The Independents might get a scent here that supporting a vote of no confidence might help their re-election prospects by appearing to take the high moral ground, especially those in trouble which is probably all of them except Katter.

      Oakeshott in particular is shot, so he's got nothing to lose.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 10:40AM
    • Hacka,

      This is where we see the true colours of the Independents. Easy to complain about the issue, but will they take action...

      Commenter
      notlad
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 10:52AM
    • Answer: No.

      Its all too late in the day, little Robbie
      will just have to live with the 'used and abuse' feeling.

      Anyway it was always consenual politics
      between adults, what did he expect?

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 11:00AM
    • Too true, SteveH, Julia has played Oakeshott and Wilkie like mugs and they have been too wimpy to do anything about it. Windsor, meanwhile, seems to have gone completely native. Not that I expect he will don Labor red while campaigning in New England. (Though he may as well!)

      Commenter
      AdamC
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 11:20AM
    • AdamC

      Windsor turns 63 in a few months and has his minimum 10 year qualifier for the generous Super. Maybe it doesn't matter so much now.

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 2:49PM
    • $keptic - Windsor also has the money from the sale of one of his farms to a mining enterprise for which to rely on when he retires..

      Commenter
      Commando - Involved again
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 3:43PM
  • I have never heard a word from the DLP rep. I don't know what he stands for . He might s well not exist.> We should have more people with more clout

    Commenter
    BlokeyCanberraBlokey
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 10:11AM
  • What a suprise that Abbott and his mates backed Labor cuts - its quite clear that they have no real ideas of their own on how to manage the economy. All they have presented so far is dumbed down governments policies (like fraudband) or given the government full support to the smart changes they have made.

    Commenter
    Graham Maine
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 9:59AM
  • I do not mind taxpayer funding based on popularity for political parties. I object to back dating the funding to a time when they were more popular

    Commenter
    Cwitty
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 9:58AM
  • Oakeshott is right. This whole thing stinks.
    Funny how we don't see Mr No not saying No to this one. Seems both government and oppostion can agree on something when it benefits both parties but can't agree on anything when it benefits the voters.

    A pox on both their houses, methinks.

    Commenter
    emily
    Location
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 9:56AM
    • What a jaundice view on this parliament, after all it is the likes of Rod Oakshott, the Greens and others who have ordained this parliament, now the pointy end of the election cycle is nearing and they are no longer significant He is protesting?

      Commenter
      Taffy
      Location
      Ingleburn
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 10:20AM
    • Oakeshott will still support Julia Gillard until the end.

      It's easy to stand up and say you think it stinks, but you are the guy that "supplies" power to Julia Gillard - Do something about it!

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 10:48AM
    • @ Beasleyst

      You maybe correct, the question to you is this !

      Why just bag Gillard or Oakshott,Abbott also agreed to this.

      And what happened to the budget emergency did that go the same way as any LNP policies.... .........there is none !.

      Commenter
      Buffalo Bill
      Location
      Sydneys Northshore
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 11:06AM
    • Buff,

      Tony Abbott would be foolish to reject this golden carrot (that does not mean I agree with him supporting it), but it has been put forward by the current government. That is Julia Gillard and her "supply" Rob Oakeshott.

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 11:21AM
    • Fair point,

      Looks as though supply will be granted Beasleyst ,and as it has evolved Oakshott and indeed Windsor has done the right thing in backing Gillard more generally

      Im staggered that Dr No is actually agreeing with something though I will say that its more to do with self interest than anything else what would you expect from a narcissist

      Commenter
      Buffalo Bill
      Location
      Sydneys Northshore
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 11:30AM
    • C'mon Buff - if you're point is self interest wouldn't you think that the leader that spends time helping Aboriginal communities, raising funds for cancer and fighting fires is less self interested than the one that only start fires and governs for self-interest alone ?

      Although on the issue of electoral funding Abbott has foolishly chosen to take the low road alongside Gillard, which is a real shame. Credlin should tell Loughnane to change course here, he'd likely listen to her.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 11:46AM
    • Young and naive comment ?

      Commenter
      Terri
      Location
      Lower Hunter Valley
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 12:02PM
    • Hacka,

      Just to clarify a point

      I was talking about political self interest ! that was evident and clear with his (Abbotts) decision to back this "reform" though he cant go back on his "word" as he stated he will not do one thing then another? Bit of a bind for Credlin and Loughnane dont you think?

      Commenter
      Buffalo Bill
      Location
      Sydneys Northshore
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 12:27PM
    • Could be a bind Buff, although Abbott could use the "circumstances changed" line (meaning sanity prevailed).

      In the short term it looks like Loughnane's (who would get to spend the money) prevailed over his better half, who you would reckon counselled against this one.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 12:41PM
  • The fog may be lifting in Sydney but it will take a while to lift from the ABC.

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Labor party/Greens La La Land
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 9:44AM
  • Oh dear! Windsor and Oakeshott wringing their hands about the "cartel" deal between the ALP and the Coalition, helping themselves to taxpayer dollars. Well there is a simple solution. Windsor and Oakeshott should go to Abbott now and offer full support for a "no confidnece" motion, if it is brought on straight away. Then we can have an election. Go on, Tony and Rob.. Here's your chance to stand on principle. You decry the deal - but you can stop it by voting no confidence and bringing about an early election.

    Commenter
    Sydney Observer
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 9:39AM
    • There is a horse called Self Interest running in almost every political issue or statement. Back it, because it wins 9 out of 10.

      Commenter
      rudy
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 9:59AM
    • Straw Man argument.

      Abbott is preparing a no-confidence motion but he doesn't want it to succeed. This is because he wants Gillard and Swan to pass their budget, with its spending cuts he criticises but won't reverse if PM. It's hard to have confidence in Abbott's no-confidence. Besides, Abbott wants the cash for votes legislation to pass, to fund his election campaign.

      Commenter
      beria
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 10:05AM
    • How can Oakeshott run to the Coalition to defeat this "collusion", when the Coalition is one of the colluders?

      Commenter
      MattyC
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 12:30PM
  • Have to agree with Oakeshott on this one. If each party gets, say $10 million a year, you’d guess that half of it will go on political advertising.

    Does this mean that instead of a Tom Waterhouse ad during the footy we'll get a Gillard or Abbott political advertisement instead ?

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 9:32AM
    • (shudder) What a horrible thought.

      Commenter
      Lewis from The Hills
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 10:16AM
    • Those adds are already running Hacka :(

      Commenter
      Indeed
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 10:28AM
    • Maybe now that the ad breaks have been fredd up Mr Waterhouse can have a spot in the ad breaks during the footy giving live odds on Gillard and Abbott.

      Commenter
      What_The
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 12:37PM
  • Budget emergency, please explain
    Arithemetic Hockey .

    Commenter
    Gerry
    Location
    Cornerstone
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 9:28AM
    • Not to many con replies there Gerry or it's taking a long time to work it out.
      Where's Rodrigo? He's the financial expert.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 2:50PM
  • Obviously Oakeshott didn't have any sense of irony in noting this outbreak of 'cartel and collusion'.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    May 29, 2013, 9:25AM
    • I also love his announcement that this deal is a violation of Oakeshott's agreement with Julia. So is he going to stop backing the government then? Not likely! Oakeshott and Wilkie seem to be political wimps to me.

      Commenter
      AdamC
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 10:12AM
    • Of course not. Oakeshott and Windsor are just making the most of their remaining months in the limelight before they disappear into irrelevance.

      Commenter
      adrian
      Date and time
      May 29, 2013, 12:30PM
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