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    Federal Politics

    Politics wrap: June 26, 2013

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  • Kevin Rudd wins leadership ballot
  • Rudd 57 votes, Gillard 45 votes
  • Gillard says she will quit politics
  • Anthony Albanese elected deputy leader
  • Shorten backs Rudd
  • Independents Oakeshott and Windsor resign
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    Rudd: 'I cannot stand idly by'

    Prime minister elect Kevin Rudd and his deputy Anthony Albanese address the media for the first time after the Labor leadership spill.

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    I am finally going to sign off. But, first, a recap of the day that was:

    • Kevin Rudd has been elected leader of the Labor Party;
    • Anthony Albanese is his deputy;
    • Julia Gillard has resigned the prime ministership and will leave politics at the election;
    • independent MPs Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott will also leave;
    • the Coalition wants an election as soon as possible.

    Tomorrow Mr Rudd and Mr Albanese will visit Government House to be sworn in as prime minister and deputy prime minister.

    Andrew Meares, Alex Ellinghausen and I will be with you to bring you all the details of the day - who might be in the new ministry, when the election might be and the last sitting day of the House of Representatives.

    Thank you so, so much to everyone who read, contributed and stuck with us through the day.

    Get some sleep. It's going to be a big day -again - tomorrow.

    Mr Abbott says Mr Rudd should name the election date as soon as possible.

    Mr Abbott says people would react with "an overwhelming wave of abhorrence" if Mr Rudd decided to have a later election (than September 14).

    Mr Abbott was accompanied by his deputy, Julie Bishop. He means to send a clear signal that the Coalition has a stable leadership team whereas Labor does not.

     

    Opposition Leader Tony Abbott at a late night press conference on Wednesday.

    Opposition Leader Tony Abbott at a late night press conference on Wednesday.

    Mr Abbott will not speculate as to whether or not he will try and call on a no confidence motion tomorrow.

    "I'm not interest in playing parliamentary games. I think the people of Australia are sick of parliamentary games," Mr Abbott says.

    Mr Abbott says Mr Rudd should name an election date.

    He has not spoken to the Governor-General, Quentin Bryce.

     

    Opposition Leader Tony Abbott addresses the media late on Wednesday night.

    Opposition Leader Tony Abbott addresses the media late on Wednesday night. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

    Mr Abbott: "In 2007 you voted for Kevin and got Julia, in 2010 you voted for Julia and got Kevin. Who will you get in 2013?"

    (I'm willing to bet we will hear this statement a lot over the next few days, weeks and months.)

    Mr Abbott says Mr Rudd "is obviously a skilful politician" in order to bring about the leadership change.

    Opposition Leader Tony Abbott: "I want to say directly to the people of Australia - you deserve better than this."

    Mr Abbott repeats his call for an early election.

    Opposition Leader Tony Abbott and deputy opposition leader Julie Bishop address the media late on Wednesday night.

    Opposition Leader Tony Abbott and deputy opposition leader Julie Bishop address the media late on Wednesday night. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

    Foreign Affairs Minister Bob Carr: "Suddenly the election has become very contestable. There is now hope."

    Opposition Leader Tony Abbott will make a statement very soon.

    Mr Rudd says he has already met with Ian Watt, the secretary of the Department of Prime and Cabinet, and will briefings on the budget in coming days.

    He has not yet met the Governor-General Quentin Bryce.

    Neither Mr Rudd nor Mr Albanese take any questions.

    Prime minister elect Kevin Rudd during a press conference on Wednesday.

    Prime minister elect Kevin Rudd during a press conference on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

    Mr Albanese says "Julia [Gillard] and Wayne [Swan] are not just people that I've worked with.....but also close friends".

    Neither man has said anything about the timing of the election or who might be chosen for the new ministry.

    Mr Rudd introduces "Deputy Prime Minister Albo".

    (Note that neither have yet been sworn in so are only prime minister elect and deputy prime minister elect.)

    Mr Albanese says his is a typically Labor story. He is the "son of a single parent who grew up in a council house in Sydney".

    He promises "enthusiasm, passion and commitment" to the Labor cause.

     

    "Please come back and listen afresh," prime minister elect Kevin Rudd says to young voters.

    "With your energy we can start cooking with gas."

    Prime Minister elect Kevin Rudd during a press conference on Wednesday night.

    Prime Minister elect Kevin Rudd during a press conference on Wednesday night. Photo: Andrew Meares

    Mr Rudd says he's been thinking about the global economy a lot lately and "bad things are happening out there".

     

    Mr Rudd says his decision to return is "pretty basic" and "pretty clear".

    "I do not have it in my nature to stand idly by and allow an Abbott government to come to power in this country by default," he says.

     

    Kevin Rudd and Anthony Albanese address the media at Parliament House on Wednesday.

    Kevin Rudd and Anthony Albanese address the media at Parliament House on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Ellinghausen

    Mr Rudd says of Ms Gillard: "She is a woman of extraordinary intelligence, great strength and energy."

    Mr Rudd says Ms Gillard faced difficult circumstances given the hung Parliament.

    Mr Rudd says were it not for "Julia" there would not be the better industrial relations and education policies that are now in place.

    Mr Rudd also pays tribute to Mr Swan, particularly the work they did together keeping Australia "out of a global catastrophe".

     

     

    Kevin Rudd and Anthony Albanese have turned up. Both are wearing blue ties.

    Mr Rudd says: "In recent years politics has failed the Australian people. There has been too much negativity around."

    Mr Rudd is still late (for anyone who is wondering this is pretty usual for him).

    While we are waiting please read the great Tony Wright's take on Ms Gillard's final press conference.

     

    Mr Rudd is late for his press conference. More than one person has observed that nothing much has changed since he was last Labor leader.

    Julia Gillard has now left Government House.

    The Fairfax Media team has been busy.

    Let me direct you to their efforts:

     

     

    Wayne Swan leaves his press conference on Wednesday night.

    Wayne Swan leaves his press conference on Wednesday night. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

    The video of Ms Gillard's press conference:

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    Prime minister Julia Gillard has resigned her position and will not recontest the next election.

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    A statement has come from Mr Rudd and Mr Albanese in which they are referred to as "Prime Minister" and "Deputy Prime Minister" respectively.

    They advise they will hold a press conference at 10.15pm in the blue room (the ministerial press conference room).

    Just a point here but they have not been sworn in yet so that use of titles seems, what's the word, presumptuous.

    Joe Ludwig also confirms in a statement his resignation as agriculture minister.

    Senator Ludwig will stay in politics and "campaign for the re election of the Rudd Labor government".

     

    It is understood Kevin Rudd and Anthony Albanese will hold a press conference at 10pm (ish).

    Which gives me time to tell you that Peter Garrett is not only resigning from the ministry but his Sydney seat of Kingsford Smith (another vacant seat).

    "I was a front man who chose to be a team player and make a difference in politics. I do not, for one moment, regret that choice," Mr Garrett said in a statement.

    "It has been a privilege to serve as a loyal cabinet minister for nearly six years, having participated in a number of crucial reforms that only Labor governments can achieve. I am especially proud to have had stewardship of the most significant education reforms we have witnessed, like the national curriculum, first national teaching standards and much needed investment for literacy and numeracy and indigenous education."

     

     

    Mr Swan says: "Experience can either make you bitter or better. I choose the latter."

    Mr Swan says he hopes his experiences will "shine on the better angels of my nature".

    "There is a lot on the line and we owe it to the hard working people of Australia to fight this campaign as hard as we can and as successfully as we can," Mr Swan says.

    "The nation deserves a vigorous political contest."

    (In this time Ms Gillard has left Parliament House and arrived at Government House. I know Canberra traffic is light but that's pretty efficient.)

    Wayne Swan is now speaking. He pays tribute to Julia Gillard as "one of the toughest warriors" the Labor Party has known.

    "Every decision I've ever taken as a politician has been grounded in the community," Mr Swan says.

    Mr Swan says he will recontest his seat but is stepping down from his ministerial position.

    Wayne Swan addresses the media at Parliament House on Wednesday.

    Wayne Swan addresses the media at Parliament House on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

    Ms Gillard says she wants to make some comments about her status as Australia's first prime minister.

    "There's been a lot of analysis about the so called gender wars," Ms Gillard.

    "Me playing the so-called gender wars because heavens knows no one noticed I was a woman until I raised it....The reaction to being the first female prime minister does not explain everything about me prime ministership, nor does it explain nothing about my prime ministership."

    Ms Gillard says it is "for the nation to think in a sophisticated way about those shades of grey".

    "What I am absolutely confident of is it will be easier for the next woman and the woman after that and the woman after that and I'm proud of that."

    Her voice wavers but does not break.

    Ms Gillard finishes her press conference by saying she texted her niece who went into labour today with the comment: "Look forward to the most meddlesome, great aunt in Australia's history."

    Ms Gillard leaves and takes no questions.

    Julia Gillard addresses the media at Parliament House on Wednesday.

    Julia Gillard addresses the media at Parliament House on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

    Julia Gillard thanks her colleagues for standing by her through all the speculation and media hype.

    She says she understands that today "the pressure got too great".

    "I respect that decision," Ms Gillard says.

    Ms Gillard says Labor can win the election.

    "I know that it can be done, that it will best be done by putting the divisions of the past behind us and uniting as a political party."

    Ms Gillard pays tribute to Defence Force personnel. She notes she has attended 24 funerals of service people killed in Afghanistan and pays tribute to their families.

    Ms Gillard says she was proud to be the first female prime minister.

    She lists the achievements she is most proud of - the price on carbon, education reforms, the introduction of DisabilityCare, the Royal Commission into sexual abuse of children in institutions and foreign policy achievements.

    Julia Gillard addresses the media at Parliament House on Wednesday.

    Julia Gillard addresses the media at Parliament House on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

    "Three years ago I had the honour of being elected Labor leader," Ms Gillard says.

    "This privilege was truly humbling. I thank the Labor Party for that privilege and I thank the Australian people for their support."

    Ms Gillard says her working environment has "not been easy" due to the combined circumstances of minority government and internal party dissent.

     

    Julia Gillard addresses the media at Parliament House on Wednesday.

    Julia Gillard addresses the media at Parliament House on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

    Julia Gillard congratulates Mr Rudd on his election and says she has written to the Governor-General informing her of the decision.

    Ms Gillard will go to Government House shortly.

    Ms Gillard confirms her decision to resign from Parliament.

    Wayne Swan will hold a press conference "shortly after the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard", according to his statement.

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard (and she still has that title) will hold a press conference at 9.15 pm.

    Here we go with the resignations.

    A statement from Craig Emerson has also just arrived in which he confirms he is resigning his ministry and leaving politics altogether (creating another vacancy for the Queensland seat of Rankin).

    "It has been a wonderful privilege to have been a Cabinet minister in the Gillard Labor government," Mr Emerson said.

    "Julia Gillard has been a great reforming Prime Minister in the great Labor tradition. I owe her a big debt of gratitude for putting her confidence in me and entrusting me with responsibilities that are so important to Australia's future. Julia Gillard has shown enormous courage in implementing landmark Labor reforms that will be remembered for generations to come."

     

    Greg Combet has resigned his ministry position.

    Mr Combet has congratulated Mr Rudd on his election and "the resolution of the leadership of the Labor Party".

    "It is now important that Mr Rudd has a clear opportunity to argue Labor's case and to appoint his own team to take up the fight to Tony Abbott," Mr Combet said in a statement.

    "It is well known that I have been a strong supporter of Julia Gillard. In the circumstances, I believe it is appropriate that I resign from my position as Minister for Climate Change, Industry and Innovation. This is the right thing to do."

    Three years and two days later....

    Julia Gillard departs the caucus meeting on Wednesday.

    Julia Gillard departs the caucus meeting on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

    Mr Rudd exits the meeting with Mr Albanese by his side and followed by Penny Wong (the new Senate leader) and Senator Jacinta Collins (who was elected deputy Senate leader).

    Kevin Rudd departs the caucus meeting on Wednesday night.

    Kevin Rudd departs the caucus meeting on Wednesday night. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

    Caucus secretary Chris Hayes announces that the new deputy leader of the Labor Party is Anthony Albanese.

    Simon Crean also put his hand up for the job but was defeated 61 votes to 38 (there were three informal votes).

    Mr Hayes says he just wants to go and watch the State of Origin (he goes for NSW, by the way).

    I was about to say the Labor caucus meeting is still going but it has broken up (after one and three quarters hours).

    Ms Gillard walks out with a smile on her face surrounded by Wayne Swan, Craig Emerson and other supporters.

     

    Why all the talk of no confidence motions, the Governor-General and a possible early election?

    Timing, basically - the combination of a minority government and a leadership change in the governing party so close to an election means we have a unique set of constitutional circumstances.

    University of NSW constitutional expert George Williams has told Fairfax Media that although Mr Rudd is the leader of the governing Labor Party this does not mean he will necessarily be the Prime Minister. Mr Rudd still needs the support of the crossbench to deliver him a parliamentary majority.

    Reporters Dan Harrison and Heath Aston have filed this story which looks at the constitutional ins and outs of the situation.

    I can also confirm that Penny Wong has been elected Senate leader (replacing Stephen Conroy who did double duty as communications minister).

    The president of the ACTU, Ged Kearney, has confirmed she will not nominate for Labor now that there is a vacant seat in Lalor.

    A Labor MP has confirmed to Fairfax Media that ministers Wayne Swan, Stephen Conroy, Craig Emerson and Joe Ludwig have resigned their positions.

    It is understood the issue of who will be the party's new deputy leader is still being thrashed out by the caucus.

    Senator Stephen Conroy arrives for the leadership ballot on Wednesday night.

    Senator Stephen Conroy arrives for the leadership ballot on Wednesday night. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

    This issue of a no confidence motion has been swirling all day and puts the crossbench right at the heart of the action.

    Apart from Mr Wilkie we know that Bob Katter and Craig Thomson would support Mr Rudd against a no confidence motion.

    Tony Windsor would not.

    The positions of the Greens and Rob Oakeshott are unclear.

    A spokesman for Mr Oakeshott says he will not have a formal position on Mr Rudd's return and the possible no confidence issues it could create until tomorrow.

    Independent MP Andrew Wilkie is quick off the mark in reacting to Mr Rudd's return.

    He has already written to Mr Rudd assuring him of his confidence in the House of Representatives.

    "It's not my job to take sides in the Labor Party leadership," Mr Wilkie said in a statement.

    "I've come to the conclusion that the public interest is best served by a smooth transition to the new prime minister. So I will not support any no confidence motion in the government or in the prime minister simply on the basis of this leadership change."

    Mr Wilkie noted the election was scheduled for September 14 and the "public interest is not served by a no confidence vote undoubtedly leading to a snap House of Representative election".

    National Party Senator Barnaby Joyce has delivered his valedictory speech this evening. (He leaves to contest the lower house seat of New England, a much easier task given Tony Windsor's decision to retire.)

    He acknowledged that not everyone might have been listening.

    "It reminds me very much of what The Grateful Dead said when they came on between The Who and Jimi Hendrix," Senator Joyce said.

    "They said they were the most forgettable act at Woodstock and I think I will be too."

    Senator Joyce thanked people "for your tolerance of me over so many years".

    "I hope I have not disgraced you too much," he concluded.

    To clarify - Mr Rudd has been elected Labor leader.

    He is not the Prime Minister until he is sworn in by the Governor-General, Quentin Bryce.

    The Coalition parties also began a special meeting at about 8pm.

    Coalition strategists have always feared the return of Kevin Rudd as Labor leader because they believe he could cause them electoral grief.

     

    Julia Gillard's term as Australia's first female prime minister lasted three years and two days.

    Ms Gillard's departure from politics leaves her Melbourne seat of Lalor in need of a Labor candidate for the election.

    It is Labor's fifth safest seat which it holds by a margin of 22.1 per cent.

    Breaking news reporter Judith Ireland is constantly updating our leadership news story here.

    Given Ms Gillard is now no longer Labor leader or prime minister it is fair to conclude that her ministers would also stand down.

    Communications Minister Stephen Conroy and School Education Minister Peter Garrett have previously said they would not serve as ministers under Mr Rudd.

    Although it has not been confirmed, the strength of Treasurer Wayne Swan's loyalty to Ms Gillard would indicate he would also step down. The same could be said for Trade Minister Craig Emerson.

     

    Mr Hayes says it took so long because "we counted the votes one by one".

    Mr Hayes says Julia Gillard addressed the caucus on "the strength of her vision for the nation".

     

     

    Mr Hayes says he does not know if there was a spill for the deputy leadership position because he thought he should come and announce the result as soon as possible.

    Mr Hayes says he left the meeting as Mr Swan was addressing the meeting.

    Labor caucus secretary Chris Hayes announces the result of the leaders ballot: Kevin Rudd has 57 votes to Julia Gillard's 45.

    Kevin Rudd is returned as leader of the Labor Party.

    This means Julia Gillard will leave politics at the election.

    Back in February 2012 Julia Gillard beat Kevin Rudd 71 votes to 31 votes.

     

    Waiting, waiting, waiting.

    Attendants look towards the caucus room as the leadership ballot continues.

    Attendants look towards the caucus room as the leadership ballot continues. Photo: Andrew Meares

    Meanwhile, the Senate still sits.

    What is strange is that at least one Labor senator - Louise Pratt - is in there and speaking. Which means she is not in the caucus meeting which means she is not voting.

    Leadership contenders are given the opportunity to make a statement to MPs before the ballot. Then everyone has to vote and the vote has to be counted. That is why it is taking a while.

    Mr Albanese's office has put out the draft schedule for the House of Representatives tomorrow (as they usually do about this time). A cheerful spokesman replied "still governing" when one reporter congratulated him on his optimism and focus.

    While we wait here is the video of Mr Shorten's press statement (it wasn't a conference because he didn't take any questions).

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    Cabinet minister Bill Shorten has thrown his support behind Kevin Rudd 'for the sake of the Labor movement' in the lead-up to the caucus vote.

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    The Senate is valiantly sitting on. Without a single Labor senator. It moves to a different rhythm, the upper house.

    Andrew Meares and Alex Ellinghausen are in the media pen that has been set up outside the caucus room (along with the rest of the press gallery). It is from this vantage point that they are are able to take photos.

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard arrives for the leadership ballot on Wednesday.

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard arrives for the leadership ballot on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

    The meeting has begun.

    I know we are in a one-second news cycle at the moment but this may take a little time. You've got time to go to the toilet (I think). Just come straight back, okay?

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard has arrived surrounded by a phalanx of supporters including ministers Wayne Swan, Craig Emerson, Kate Lundy, Joe Ludwig, Kate Ellis and her parliamentary secretary Andrew Leigh.

    Kevin Rudd has walked in alone.

     

     

    Labor MP Kevin Rudd arrives for the leadership ballot.

    Labor MP Kevin Rudd arrives for the leadership ballot. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

    Labor MP Dick Adams has just entered the caucus room with the ballot box into which Labor MPs will put their leadership votes.

     

    Mr Shorten was ashen faced as he made his announcement. He has been under enormous pressure from his colleagues to step in and "do something" about the leadership stalemate. Now he has - and has dealt a blow to the chances of Ms Gillard (the woman he helped install as prime minister) staying on as leader.

    Mr Shorten says he understands the decision may come at a "personal risk".

    "The future of the Labor Party is at risk," Mr Shorten says.

    Kevin Rudd is the best change the Labor Party has of winning the election, he says.

    "Australians, regardless of their politics, want to see the Labor Party perform as best it can," Mr Shorten says.

    "The best interests of the Labor Party must come first ... not factions."

    Mr Shorten said he would resign his ministry if Ms Gillard won and would serve in any capacity under Mr Rudd.

    Mr Shorten did not take any questions and has now left.

     

    Mr Shorten says he backs Kevin Rudd.

     

    Bill Shorten arrives to make a media statement ahead of the Labor Party ballot on Wednesday night.

    Bill Shorten arrives to make a media statement ahead of the Labor Party ballot on Wednesday night. Photo: Andrew Meares

    Minister for Workplace Relations Bill Shorten says he has already spoken to Prime Minister Julia Gillard.

    What guides him, he says, "is what's best for the Australian people" and the Labor cause.

    "I believe that this government has delivered once in a generation reform in v difficult circumstances," Mr Shorten says.

    "I believe Tony Abbot and his conservative Coalition provide a once in a generation risk."

     

    They are quick those Liberal Party operatives. Here is an attack ad they just happened to whip up in the past little while.

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    Kevin Rudd declares he will run for the leadership when the Labor caucus convenes. Watch his seven minute press conference in full.

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    Workplace Relations Minister Bill Shorten (who was so crucial in elevating Ms Gillard into the prime ministership in June 2010) is about to confirm exactly where he stands in all of this.

    He will make a statement at about 6.30 pm.

    Only a short time ago his spokesperson was saying he would not be making any comment on the leadership ballot.

    Another minister in the PM's camp:

     

     

    No politician is safe if they step outside their office as reporters roam the halls of Parliament House looking for new information, angles and comments.

    Mr Rudd braved the pack but would only say: "I'm feeling pretty good about it all guys, that's all you need to know."

    At this point I should remind you that although Andrew Meares and Alex Ellinghausen are on duty the rules governing where photography is and is not allowed inside Parliament House mean they cannot take photos of people in corridors and common areas.

    The three of us will be with you up to, through and after the meeting.

    The 7pm meeting will also have to hold a vote for the position of deputy leader.

    It is a separate vote and although it has not been officially confirmed the position will be declared open, it is safe to assume that will happen.

    In order to make sure Labor MPs can attend the meeting, the leader of the house, Anthony Albanese, has successfully moved to adjourn the House of Representatives (the Senate - at this point - sits on). It will resume tomorrow morning.

    Treasurer Wayne Swan is tweeting up a storm on behalf of Ms Gillard:

     

    A pro-Gillard source has told Fairfax Media that the contest is very close but that the Prime Minister is a bit behind and would be making calls up to 7pm.

    It is understood Workplace Relations Minister Bill Shorten is still supporting Ms Gillard but is not discouraging others who want to support Mr Rudd.

    Votes are, obviously, being furiously counted but the work of Parliament continues.

    The House of Representatives has returned to debating the government's proposed changes to the 457 visa program.

    Independent MP Tony Windsor has finished his valedictory speech. His colleagues gave him a 10 - for the speech, his time in Parliament and being an all round top bloke.

    Independent MP Tony Windsor delivers his valedictory speech in the House of Representatives on Wednesday.

    Independent MP Tony Windsor delivers his valedictory speech in the House of Representatives on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

    There are 102 members of the Labor caucus. Either challenger needs at least 52 votes to win.

    However, a slim majority is bad news. Both Ms Gillard and Mr Rudd have said they would retire if they lost in order to end the saga. But winning by a small margin would demonstrate the division within the party.

    Rudd sources have told Fairfax Media he is confident of 60 votes but expects to gather more by 7 pm.

    The leader of the house and Minister for Infrastructure, Anthony Albanese, is expected to run as Mr Rudd's deputy.

    Breaking news reporter Judith Ireland has filed this story on the leadership challenge.

    Here is the video of Mr Rudd's statement announcing he will challenge Prime Minister Julia Gillard for the Labor leadership.

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    Treasurer Wayne Swan's take on things:

     

    The family that does the numbers together stays together.

    Kevin Rudd with his daughter Jessica after announcing he will challenge Prime Minister Julia Gillard in a leadership ballot tonight.

    Kevin Rudd with his daughter Jessica after announcing he will challenge Prime Minister Julia Gillard in a leadership ballot tonight. Photo: Andrew Meares

    Meanwhile, reporter Daniel Hurst is in the House of Representatives watching Mr Windsor's valedictory speech:

    To recap: Mr Rudd has made a pitch entirely focussed on how he would take on Opposition Leader Tony Abbott. He has said it was people's pleas that he run again to prevent a Coalition government that convinced him to stand again for the Labor leadership.

    Mr Rudd has demonstrated - again - one of the great mysteries of Australian politics: that he is an effective communicator to the general public even if he is not so good at dealing with his colleagues.

    This will be the third time caucus has dealt with the leadership since the 2010 election (plus a fourth against Kevin Rudd in June 2010).

    Mr Rudd says he does "not seek to fudge the fact that I have changed my position" but has simply given his politics.

    If he is successful, Mr Rudd says he will devote "every fibre" of his being to fight the Coalition.

    There will be "no recriminations" against people who vote against him, Mr Rudd says, and says people who want to serve under him will be able to continue doing so.

    If he loses he will resign from politics, Mr Rudd says.

    Mr Rudd ends his appearance and takes no questions.

     

    Kevin Rudd announces he will challenge Prime Minister Julia Gillard in a leadership ballot tonight.

    Kevin Rudd announces he will challenge Prime Minister Julia Gillard in a leadership ballot tonight. Photo: Andrew Meares

    Mr Rudd says people do not feel like they have a "real choice" at the upcoming election.

    They feel like "we are leaving them with no choice but to vote for Mr Abbott," says Mr Rudd.

    Mr Rudd lists the economy, industrial relations and the environment as issues people want resolved.

    A "strong, proven, national leader" is needed as Australia faces new challenges, Mr Rudd says.

    Mr Abbott will  "drive the economy into recession," Mr Rudd says.

    "I believe with all my heart that I owe it to the Australian people to offer them a viable alternative," Mr Rudd says.

     

    Kevin Rudd announces he will challenge Prime Minister Julia Gillard in a leadership ballot tonight.

    Kevin Rudd announces he will challenge Prime Minister Julia Gillard in a leadership ballot tonight. Photo: Andrew Meares

    Mr Rudd says he was aware of the petition but it is no longer needed.

    Many MPs have asked to run "because of the parlous circumstances we now face," Mr Rudd says.

    "For the nation's sake I believe it is time that this issue be resolved."

    "Tens of thousands" of members of the public have also asked him to stand," Mr Rudd says.

    "They are genuinely fearful of what Mr Abbott could do to them if he is elected as he is on track to do ... No one forgets WorkChoices."

    "We are on a course for a catastrophic defeat unless there is a change," Mr Rudd says.

    Kevin Rudd arrives to announce he will challenge Prime Minister Julia Gillard in a leadership ballot tonight.

    Kevin Rudd arrives to announce he will challenge Prime Minister Julia Gillard in a leadership ballot tonight. Photo: Andrew Meares

    Kevin Rudd says he will be a candidate in the 7pm ballot. He is accompanied by his daughter, Jessica.

    Kevin Rudd arrives for his media appearance to announce he will challenge Prime Minister Julia Gillard in a leadership ballot tonight.

    Kevin Rudd arrives for his media appearance to announce he will challenge Prime Minister Julia Gillard in a leadership ballot tonight. Photo: Andrew Meares

    The Labor caucus room is lined with pictures of everyone who has been leader. (Mr Rudd has not yet appeared.)

    Pictures of Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard on the wall of the caucus room in Parliament House on Wednesday.

    Pictures of Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard on the wall of the caucus room in Parliament House on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

    I apologise to people who were waiting for the report of Mr Windsor's valedictory speech. I will endeavour to come back to it later on.

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard is on the floor of the House of Representatives listening to him. She doesn't look too worried, does she?

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard during independent MP Tony Windsor's valedictory speech on Wednesday.

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard during independent MP Tony Windsor's valedictory speech on Wednesday.

    A spokesman for the Foreign Affairs Minister, Bob Carr, has confirmed Mr Carr has delayed leaving for a planned visit to Indonesia to attend tonight's meeting.

    Kevin Rudd will hold a press conference at 5pm.

    Labor MP Michael Danby says he supports Ms Gillard.

    "We've had a number of challenges, we've had this underground movement," Mr Danby says of the undermining of Ms Gillard.

    "Enough is enough. If you win you stay, if you don't win you resign from politics. The Labor Party is a political organisation, not Coronation Street."

     

    The Prime Minister has employed a similar tactic to the one she deployed back in February - bringing the ballot on quickly rather than letting numbers drift away over time.

    It is a high risk strategy but, if the past three years have demonstrated anything, it is that Ms Gillard is not afraid of a fight and that she has nerves of steel.

    The difference this time is that Ms Gillard has set the bar high for the loser - that he (because we all know who she is talking about) will leave politics forever and stop acting as a thorn in the side for whoever remains in control.

    Tonight will be the third time the caucus has dealt with the party's leadership since the 2010 election (the previous occasions were February 2012 and March this year).

     

     

    So to recap - Prime Minister Julia Gillard has called the bluff of the Rudd camp agitating for a special caucus meeting.

    Ms Gillard has called a caucus meeting for tonight at 7 pm at which the leadership positions will be declared vacant.

    Ms Gillard says she will stand and she is confident of winning.

    Ms Gillard did not mention Kevin Rudd by name in the interview but called on anyone who wanted to challenge to do so to end the "nonsense" once and for all.

    Ms Gillard said she would leave politics at the next election is she lost - and that same condition should apply to any challenger.

    We have yet to hear anything from Kevin Rudd - or to sight the mysterious petition.

     

     

    As the PM was speaking the Sports Minister Kate Lundy was tweeting:

     

     

    Ms Gillard says her values, purpose and discipline are the reasons why she should remain leader.

    "I came into politics to make a difference," says Ms Gillard.

    "I came into politics believing government could be about providing opportunity ... I'm interested in getting things done."

    Ms Gillard says she would not be "presumptuous enough" to speak about Mr Rudd's credentials.

    The interview is over.

     

     

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard appearing on Sky to announce a leadership ballot at 7pm tonight.

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard appearing on Sky to announce a leadership ballot at 7pm tonight. Photo: Andrew Meares

    Ms Gillard says she has "never been diverted...by this nonsense".

    It has been "debilitating" for her, for the party and the country, Ms Gillard says.

    Ms Gillard says if she is unsuccessful she will leave politics at the next election.

    No one has approached her about a meeting of ballot, Ms Gillard says.

    The petition is "the political equivalent of the Loch Ness monster", Ms Gillard says.

    "I wouldn't be putting myself forward unless I had a degree of confidence."

     

    Ms Gillard: "Going into this ballot tonight everyone should accept a few conditions."

    Ms Gillard says "first and foremost anybody who believes they should be leader should put themselves forward".

    Ms Gillard says this is the last chance for the issue to be resolved.

    "This is it, tonight is the night," Ms Gillard says.

    Ms Gillard says any contender who loses should retire from politics.

    Ms Gillard says that condition applies to her as well.

     

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard tells Sky News: "There is apparently a petition circulating...I haven't seen it."

    Ms Gillard says it's in the "best interests of the nation and the Labor Party for this issue to be resolve."

    Ms Gillard has called a ballot for the leadership at 7 pm tonight.

    Ms Gillard will stand.

    I am standing by to bring you Prime Minister Julia Gillard's live interview with Sky News (due to start any second).

    The PMO asked Sky if she could appear.

    A bit of policy fibre to go with all this leadership ice cream.

    During question time Prime Minister Julia Gillard confirmed she would negotiate with the Victorian state government about the possibility of it signing up to her education reforms (see 2.34 pm post). The Age's education editor, Jewel Topsfield, has the details about where things are up to - Victoria wants more money is the story in a nutshell.

    The Opposition has offered more details about its "one stop shop" for environmental approvals. A Coalition government would hand the power to approve major projects such as mines and ports to the states, according to this story filed a wee while ago by The Age's environment editor, Tom Arup.

    Later this afternoon independent MP Tony Windsor will give his valedictory speech to the House of Representatives (due to take place at 4.30 pm) while National Party Senator Barnaby Joyce will give his at 5.30 pm.

    Both should be worth tuning in for. I will be so don't go anywhere!

     

    Leader of the house Anthony Albanese worked his aggression out on the field.

    Beanie + baggy track pants = all style.

    Anthony Albanese during a State of Origin tribute rugby match at Parliament House on Wednesday.

    Anthony Albanese during a State of Origin tribute rugby match at Parliament House on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

    Apparently there's some football game on tonight. The MPs had their own version this morning.

    Barnaby Joyce tickles Anthony Albanese after a State of Origin tribute rugby match at Parliament House on Wednesday.

    Barnaby Joyce tickles Anthony Albanese after a State of Origin tribute rugby match at Parliament House on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

    Opposition Leader Tony Abbott's attempt to suspend standing orders has failed (73 votes in favour and 74 votes against).

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard calls an official end to question time.

    Speaker Anna Burke orders that the count on whether the motion is successful begin.

    "And in a moment of complete indulgence I welcome my mum to the chamber," Ms Burke says with a wave.

    Here's the video of Opposition Leader Tony Abbott asking Prime Minister Julia Gillard if she will call an early election (see 2.55pm post).

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    It falls to leader of the house, Anthony Albanese, to oppose Mr Abbott's motion.

    Mr Albanese notes it is the 81st time in the life of the 43rd Parliament he has had to do this.

    "Here we are, the second last sitting day of this term and not a single policy idea from the Opposition Leader," Mr Albanese says.

    "He's right that he's not interested in this Parliament but that doesn't excuse his projection."

    Mr Albanese points out that just before question time the Senate agreed to the government's education reforms and the House was debating changes to the 457 visa program.

    "For the past three years we've put up with the longest dummy spit in Australian political history."

    Labor MPs are drifting back into the chamber to hear Mr Albanese (he finishes the motion will be voted on).

     

     

    Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has now moved to suspend standing orders to demand the Labor Party sort out its internal problems and return to governing.

    "No one is interested in the proceedings of this Parliament," Mr Abbott says as the government benches rapidly clear. (This will take some time.)

    "Everyone is interested in the conversations taking place in the corridors ... What that's all about, Madam Speaker, is yet another deal inside the Labor Party."

    "The public is sick of the deals behind closed doors," Mr Abbott says.

    "The poison inside the Labor Party is paralysing government in this country."

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard has left the chamber.

    At this point no reporter seems to be able to find a single Labor MP who has seen the petition.

    Meanwhile (there it is again) Opposition Leader Tony Abbott decides to ask about the situation himself.

    Will the Prime Minister bring forward the election date to August 3 "given the paralysis gripping her government," Mr Abbott asks to cheers from the opposition benches.

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard laughs: "I am getting on with the job."

     

    In the light of the story about a petition circulating I asked Mr Rudd's office if his position had change in relation to his planned China trip.

    It has not, was the answer.

    A spokesman directed me to the statement provided earlier in the day and which I posted at 11.49am.

    "Nobody should deny this challenge is real," Climate Change Minister Greg Combet says of (no, not that challenge) the threat posing by rising temperatures.

    May I see that piece of paper please?

    Labor MP Kevin Rudd during question time on Wednesday.

    Labor MP Kevin Rudd during question time on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard tells question time she has received an indication from the Victorian government that it is willing to negotiate on the Gonski education reforms.

    Ms Gillard says she will approach the talks in "good faith".

    (This must be very welcome for Ms Gillard. It shows her carrying on, pursuing her policy objectives despite all the bluster and noise surrounding her. So far Ms Gillard is very cool, calm and collected in her manner.)

    "You used to be better than this under prime minister Howard," Prime Minister Julia Gillard goads the opposition after receiving a question on climate change from opposition industry spokeswoman Sophie Mirabella.

    Thinking, thinking, thinking.

    Workplace Relations Minister Bill Shorten during question time on Wednesday.

    Workplace Relations Minister Bill Shorten during question time on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

    Under normal circumstances Prime Minister Julia Gillard would be relishing question time, knowing the Senate had just passed her signature education reforms (see 1.58pm post).

    Instead Ms Gillard must spend the next hour on her feet while the leadership rumblings get louder.

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard during question time on Wednesday.

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard during question time on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard opens question time with a statement marking the 1963 Yirrkala bark petition by the Yolngu people (a land title claim, the first time an indigenous legal document was recognised.)

    Opposition Leader Tony Abbott also makes a statement.

    Mr Abbott then kicks off with a question about the carbon price.

     

    Mr Rudd has now arrived. All present and correct.

    Labor MP Kevin Rudd during question time on Wednesday.

    Labor MP Kevin Rudd during question time on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

    Labor MP Kevin Rudd has not yet arrived for question time. Prime Minister Julia Gillard is ready though.

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard prepares for question time on Wednesday.

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard prepares for question time on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard has arrived for question time through a side door.

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard arrives for question time on Wednesday.

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard arrives for question time on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

    But first, some policy - education reporter Daniel Hurst brings us this story on the government's education reforms passing the Senate (see 1.18pm post).

    Question time is about to begin.

    It's worth remembering that the last time this happened back in February Prime Minister Julia Gillard took matters into her own hands and began question time with the news she had called a caucus meeting.

    (PS. The debate on the 457 visa changes will resume after question time.)

    Labor MP Kevin Rudd in the House of Representatives on Wednesday.

    Labor MP Kevin Rudd in the House of Representatives on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

    A spokesman for Workplace Relations Minister Bill Shorten says his position has not changed and he will not add to speculation on the leadership issue.

    NSW Senator Matt Thistlethwaite says he has not seen any petition and nor would he sign it if he had.

    In case you don't have time to watch the video let me summarise some of the points University of NSW George Williams made in relation to the consitutional position we could find ourselves in should there be a leadership change.

    Professor Williams points out that although the Labor Party is entitled to choose its own leader, the leader "does not necessarily become prime minister", because of the hung Parliament.

    Professor Williams said a change (which is not yet a sure thing) could trigger one of three scenarios:

    • the independents support Mr Rudd;
    • the independents support the opposition;
    • the independents are not prepared to give Mr Rudd their support but want a written agreement which could result in an early election or to recall Parliament to test support.

    Professor Williams says the reason for all the uncertainty is because this situation is unprecedented. When state and federal parliaments previously found themselves in this position it was much earlier in their terms. The thing making this set of circumstances so unusual is because Parliament is only sitting for the rest of this week before rising for the election.

     

    Senior government minister Gary Gray says his support is still with Prime Minister Julia Gillard: "The Prime Minister is a terrific woman, the right person to be the prime minister."

    I need to clarify a procedural point raised in the 12.44pm post.

    The petition must go to caucus chairman Gavin Marshall. His office says it has not yet been presented with a petition.

     

    Labor sources have told breaking news reporter Jonathan Swan that the reason the Rudd camp had the confidence to move was because Workplace Relations Minister Bill Shorten has shifted his support from Prime Minister Julia Gillard to Mr Rudd.

    Mr Shorten's office is not commenting.

     

    Labor MPs Kevin Rudd and and Bill Shorten in the House of Representatives on Wednesday.

    Labor MPs Kevin Rudd and and Bill Shorten in the House of Representatives on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

    Meanwhile the government's education reforms - which change the ways schools are funded - have just passed the Senate.

    This is one of Prime Minister Julia Gillard's signature reforms, something she has staked her leadership - and much of Labor's re election efforts - on.

    However, only three out of eight jurisdictions - NSW, the ACT and South Australia - have signed a deal with the commonwealth to deliver the changes next year.

    Can I count on you?

    Labor MP Kevin Rudd passes frontbencher Warren Snowdon in the House of Representatives  on Wednesday.

    Labor MP Kevin Rudd passes frontbencher Warren Snowdon in the House of Representatives on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

    Foreign Affairs Minister Bob Carr has just finished addressing the National Press Club. He too found himself inundated with leadership questions.

    Senator Carr repeatedly offered "no comment" when asked if he still supported Prime Minister Julia Gillard.

    He was a bit cute too saying there is a long standing convention that foreign ministers do not talk about domestic politics. Senator Carr says he invented the rule on Monday.

     

     

    Foreign Affairs Minister  Bob Carr addresses the National Press Club on Wednesday.

    Foreign Affairs Minister Bob Carr addresses the National Press Club on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

    MPs are leaving the House of Representatives (to which they were called for a vote to do with proposed changes to the 457 visa program). Naturally they found a large media contingent outside.

    Breaking news reporter Jonathan Swan asked Stephen Jones about the petition and he said: "You mean the one about protecting the whales?"

    Cute.

    Not many MPs will be willing to stick their necks out too far at this point. They like to make sure they have sniffed the breeze first.

    Sydney University constitutional law professor Anne Twomey has spoken to political reporter Heath Aston to answer some questions about the possible scenarios that have now been brought into play by the news a petition is now being circulated among Labor MPs.

    If there is a change in leadership then some of the possible outcomes include an early election or the installation of Tony Abbott as Prime Minister.

    Another eminent expert, University of NSW constitutional expert George Williams, offers his take on the situation in this video.

     

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    All morning people have been talking about the constitutional possibilities that might arise from a change in leadership.

    Chief political correspondent Mark Kenny raised some of the questions in this piece last week. It's still worth a read if you're trying to get your head around where things might go.

    I should point out that the House of Representatives is considering the government's proposed changes to the 457 visa program, a contentious piece of legislation.

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard's office has been contacted for comment.

    Labor MP Kevin Rudd sits with colleagues Stephen Jones, Chris Bowen and Ed Husic on the floor of the House of Representatives.

    Labor MP Kevin Rudd sits with colleagues Stephen Jones, Chris Bowen and Ed Husic on the floor of the House of Representatives. Photo: Andrew Meares

    Mr Rudd has not commented on the story. He is in the House of Representatives.

    Labor MP Kevin Rudd sits with colleagues Stephen Jones, Chris Bowen and Ed Husic in the House of Representatives on Wednesday.

    Labor MP Kevin Rudd sits with colleagues Stephen Jones, Chris Bowen and Ed Husic in the House of Representatives on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

    The mechanics of this are as follows:

    • one third of caucus members need to sign the petition in order to allow a special caucus meeting to take place;
    • Mr Rudd's supporters believe they have enough people to do this;
    • the caucus secretary, Chris Hayes, has the discretion to decide when the meeting will take place but it is expected to be later today or tomorrow morning;
    • Mr Rudd's inner circle believes he will stand as a candidate and that he has the numbers to win.

     

    Kevin Rudd's supporters have started circulating a caucus petition to allow a challenge to Julia Gillard for the prime ministership.

    The Sydney Morning Herald's political editor, Peter Hartcher, has confirmed that the Rudd camp has launched the process with the expectation Mr Rudd will stand and that he has a majority of support.

     

    What a morning. And the day isn't even half over.

    Let me take five to point you in the direction of some of the more comprehensive coverage provided by the Fairfax Media Canberra bureau:

     

     

     

    The government's proposed changes to the 457 visa scheme are being debated in the House of Representatives.

    Queensland Labor MP Graham Perrett continues to wear his heart on his sleeve - or his vote on his chest, to be more precise.

    Labor MP Graham Perrett during the politicians vs the press gallery netball match at Parliament House on Wednesday.

    Labor MP Graham Perrett during the politicians vs the press gallery netball match at Parliament House on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

    The view from the opposition:

     

    There has been some speculation this morning that Kevin Rudd had pulled out of a scheduled trip to China.

    A spokesman for Mr Rudd says this is not the case.

    "Mr Rudd will travel to China to attend an international conference in Beijing on Friday morning," the spokesman said. "Mr Rudd has had his leave request approved from Thursday afternoon. Mr Rudd accepted the invitation to speak at the conference a number of months ago."

    Former chief government whip and Rudd man Joel Fitzgibbon has refused to say whether or not Labor can unite behind Prime Minister Julia Gillard.

    "I'm not going to feed the frenzy," Mr Fitzgibbon told online political editor Tim Lester a short while ago (ahem).

    Mr Fitzgibbon said Labor was "capable of uniting" and needed to leave the current sitting period as a "strong and united force".

    As to whether the party was currently united, Mr Fitzgibbon said people were "working on it".

     

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    Crossbencher Bob Katter, however, says if the Labor caucus elected Kevin Rudd as leader he would provide a vote of confidence "to facilitate his election as leader".

    Mr Katter - who leads Katter's Australian Party - conceded that this was not in his party's interests: "But the nation's interest leaves me no alternative but to go to this decision. To do otherwise would be to condemn Australia to a landslide election which would certainly not be in the interests of our country."

    Mr Katter said the main problem was that "nobody is driving the bus".

     

    Crossbench MP Bob Katter at Parliament House on  Wednesday.

    Crossbench MP Bob Katter at Parliament House on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

    Meanwhile (I told you that word would get a work out today) the Greens seem to prefer leaving open the option of an early election rather than doing anything that would hasten the election of a government led by Tony Abbott.

    "We will do nothing to facilitate Tony Abbott getting into the prime minister's position," Senator Milne said.

    "The choice is then the confidence on the floor of the House or an early election."

    (Bear with me people - there are a lot of hypothetical constitutional scenarios being thrown around at the moment and nothing has yet changed in terms of the Labor leadership.)

     

    Greens leader Christine Milne and deputy leader Adam Bandt with the party's Senate line up for the election.

    Greens leader Christine Milne and deputy leader Adam Bandt with the party's Senate line up for the election. Photo: Andrew Meares

    There is also legislation being dealt with in Parliament today (who'd have thought it?).

    Education reporter Daniel Hurst has called in from the Senate with the news that it is about to start debating the government's education funding reforms.

    But the Coalition is crying foul at the "absolutely obscene" rush to pass the laws with about two and a half hours set aside for the debate. This means a vote is due about 1pm.

     

    National Party candidate for New England, Barnaby Joyce, has released a statement on Mr Windsor's retirement:

    "When you are on the football paddock you always have immense respect for the toughest of players that you come across in politics. They do not come any tougher than the member for New England. I have never doubted his focus on the people of new England. At times, obviously, I questioned his mechanism, but today is his."

    (No, I'm not quite sure what Senator Joyce means in that last sentence either but that's word for word from his statement.)

    Mr Windsor's retirement makes Barnaby Joyce almost a dead certain to take out the lower house seat of New England in September. This would mean, just for argument's sake, that Mr Joyce could take on Warren Truss for leadership of the National Party should the fancy strike him. (Leadership of parties traditionally goes to a lower house MP.)

    Barnaby Joyce during a State of Origin tribute rugby match at Parliament House on Wednesday.

    Barnaby Joyce during a State of Origin tribute rugby match at Parliament House on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

    Just in case anyone is wondering, independent MP Andrew Wilkie is not retiring.

    "Andrew still plans to recontest Denison and the federal election and is certainly not about to announce his political retirement," Mr Wilkie's spokesman says.

    Independent MP Andrew Wilkie speaks to the media in the press gallery.

    Independent MP Andrew Wilkie speaks to the media in the press gallery. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard has issued statements on the retirements of Mr Windsor and Mr Oakeshott.

    Of Mr Windsor she says: "Tony Windsor long ago earned the respect and affection of his community in New England. In the past three years he had earned the respect and affection of many Australian from all political persuasions. Millions will be sorry to see him depart the Parliament at the coming election and I will be one of them."

    Of Mr Oakeshott she says: "Rob Oakeshott is a man of energy and ideas whose fundamental optimism for Australia endears him to almost everyone who knows him ... He is still a young man with a young family and I know how much he is looking forward to being at home ... Rob smiles easily and wears his heart on his sleeve and politics could do with more of that, not less."

    Independent MP Tony Windsor embraces his wife Lyn after his press conference announcing his retirement.

    Independent MP Tony Windsor embraces his wife Lyn after his press conference announcing his retirement. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

    Tony Windsor can't escape his own press conference.

    Now Rob Oakeshott has popped up to say nice things about him.

    "None of us had a manual and we had to work it out," Mr Oakeshott says.

    Mr Windsor is "the best in the business", he says. "He's a man of honour, he's a man of smarts and he's got a little sprinkling of rat cunning, which is handy in politics."

    And Mr Windsor finally gets to leave.

    Independent MP Rob Oakeshott joins colleague Tony Windsor at his press conference on Wednesday.

    Independent MP Rob Oakeshott joins colleague Tony Windsor at his press conference on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

    Mr Windsor says he will return all donations made to his campaign. Many have come in from all over Australia.

    He says he wishes all the New England candidates well.

    Barnaby Joyce came up to him in an airport a few weeks ago and apologised for some of the nonsense that had happened, Mr Windsor says.

    "It's not in anybody's interests to wish that there will be a nasty Parliament next time," Mr Windsor says before winding up his press conference.

    "On indulgence", Mr Windsor's long-time staffer Graham Nuttall, gives a tribute to his boss. A general all round top bloke is the best way to describe it.

    Independent MP Tony Windsor is presented with a drawing by the daughter of Rob Oakeshott on  Wednesday.

    Independent MP Tony Windsor is presented with a drawing by the daughter of Rob Oakeshott on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

    This from Mr Windsor's contender Barnaby Joyce:

    Mr Windsor won't go into his health problems.

    "I don't want to get into a situation where I contest a seat just to beat the Nats," Mr Windsor says (you can hear the cheers from contender Barnaby Joyce's office at this point). "The seat's never been mine and I don't want to be there for the wrong reasons. I'd rather go out at 100 miles an hour."

    "The world is run by those who turn up," Mr Windsor says. 'We've got to make sure we don't tamper with democracy to the point where we demean it."

    Mr Windsor defends Prime Minister Julia Gillard over the campaign statement in 2010 that there would be no carbon tax.

    Ms Gillard thought she would lead a majority government, Mr Windsor says, but instead she found herself trying to negotiate a minority government with all kinds of demands being made on her.

    Opposition Leader Tony Abbott's pursuit of her over that issue - aided and abetted by shock jocks - was a "nonsense", Mr Windsor says, particularly when one considers former prime minister John Howard had a firm plan to introduce an emissions trading scheme.

    Independent MP Tony Windsor speaks to the media Wednesday.

    Independent MP Tony Windsor speaks to the media Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

    Labor probably deserves to lose the election because of its behaviour over the leadership issue, Mr Windsor says.

    Mr Windsor says the great shame of the Parliament has been the treatment of asylum seekers.

    "I'm as guilty as anybody," Mr Windsor says. "All of us should be ashamed of ourselves in the way this has been treated."

     

    Should a challenge happen and the confidence of Parliament be required, Mr Windsor says he would be inclined to support "the second place getter" (ie Opposition Leader Tony Abbott) rather than the challenger (Kevin Rudd).

    Mr Windsor says he doesn't believe there will be a Labor leadership challenge.

    But if there was, Mr Windsor says, he believes the Governor-General would have to ask the challenger to demonstrate they had the confidence of the house.

    "I wouldn't guarantee the challenger my support would be there if it was tested," Mr Windsor says.

    Mr Windsor says he holds Prime Minister Julia Gillard in high regard. She has never welched on any aspect of their agreement, Mr Windsor says.

    "The arrangement was made with Julia Gillard. Out of the two contenders she was by far the best. If everyone puts on their objective jacket she was by far the best," he says.

    Mr Windsor confirms he met with Ms Gillard last night but it was to tell her he was resigning.

    "My cue will come from the Governor-General, if indeed something does happen," Mr Windsor says.

    Independent MP Tony Windsor annouces he will not recontest the next election on Wednesday.

    Independent MP Tony Windsor annouces he will not recontest the next election on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

    Mr Windsor was thought to be in with a good chance of hanging on as an independent in the NSW seat of New England. National Party Senator Barnaby Joyce leaves the Senate at the end of the week to try his luck as a lower house candidate for the seat.

    "If country people keep tying themselves to one side of politics they will always be taken for granted," Mr Windsor says.

    Mr Windsor says he is most proud of the work on climate change he has done.

    He chokes up paying tribute to his wife, Lyn: "We were in kindergarten together."

    Independent MP Rob Oakeshott has walked into the press conference.

    "You didn't think I'd get into this bullshit," Mr Windsor quips to Mr Oakeshott as he finishes his tribute to his wife.

     

    Independent MP Rob Oakeshott joins his crossbench colleague Tony Windsor at his press conference.

    Independent MP Rob Oakeshott joins his crossbench colleague Tony Windsor at his press conference. Photo: Andrew Meares

    Mr Windsor says he would like to return to his love of agriculture and sustainability of food production.

    Mr Windsor congratulates his colleague Rob Oakeshott for his friendship and guidance.

    "I love this work, I love the electorate," Mr Windsor says.

    "I love this particular Parliament but I don't want to love it to death."

    For half of his time as an independent MP Mr Windsor says he has been in hung parliaments or parliaments that were essentially hung.

    Mr Windsor says the message he would like to leave for people living in rural and regional Australia: "Look at this Parliament, don't look at the nonsense and strategy from the major parties, look at the performance."

     

     

     

     

    Independent MP Tony Windsor speaks to the media on Wednesday.

    Independent MP Tony Windsor speaks to the media on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

    A tearful Mr Windsor says his 21-year-old son has "never known me as anything other than a politician".

    "The problem is the polls show I'd probably win ... but I don't really want to leave in three years' time," Mr Windsor says.

    "The seat has been extremely good to me. The people of New England have been very kind to me."

    Mr Windsor says the "level of vitriol" directed at the independents over the life of the 43rd Parliament has taken a toll on him and his family.

     

    Independent MP Tony Windsor and government minister Anthony Albanese in the House of Representatives on Wednesday morning.

    Independent MP Tony Windsor and government minister Anthony Albanese in the House of Representatives on Wednesday morning. Photo: Andrew Meares

    Independent MP Tony Windsor says he is going to make a very "personal" statement.

    Mr Windsor will not contest the next election.

    "I do have a health issue that's currently being investigated," Mr Windsor says.

    His wife and daughter are with him.

    "My family also want me not to stand," he stands.

    Morning.

    Kevin Rudd in the House of Representatives on Wednesday morning.

    Kevin Rudd in the House of Representatives on Wednesday morning. Photo: Andrew Meares

    Meanwhile (I reserve the right to use that word a lot today) Mr Oakeshott's crossbench colleague, Tony Windsor, will hold a press conference at 9.40am.

    Mr Windsor is expected to discuss a report by Channel 7's Mark Riley that he would not support Kevin Rudd should he return to the Labor leadership.

    Mr Windsor was reported to have met Prime Minister Julia Gillard last night to tell her this and that he would support a no confidence motion in the government should one be called.

     

    Rob Oakeshott spoke with online political editor Tim Lester a short time ago.

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    • Is anyone going to ever tell Tony how comical it is to see his face on screen and hear his words"Australians deserve better than this." No argument thre, Mr Abbott.
      " You voted for Kevin and got Julia". No Tony, most folks vote for parties, not people.
      "You voted for Julia, now you've got Kevin." No again Tony, we don't like personality politics, you told us so, remember?
      Poor chap, he's ahead simply becuse of Labors slugfest and now that it's over, let's hope he is about to be found out by voters, big time!

      Commenter
      Perk Cartel
      Location
      Westgarth
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:30PM
    • Well, at 3.03p.m. (noting Stephanie's post time) Tony Abbott moved a motion of No Confidence in the government to sort out the toxic stench occurring in the corridors & behind closed doors of Parliament House - and by 11.25p.m. he got what he asked for ~8.5 hours later.
      Well done Tony - you've knocked off the 2 prime ministers 3 times in 3 years!!

      Commenter
      Rosie
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:28PM
    • Now that PM Gillard departs the central stage not much fun coming to this page any more. One thing I will not miss is the brigade of Gillard haters on this page. Not that I ever take much notice of them any way.

      Commenter
      mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:28PM
    • Wow what a day. Jules lost, Kev might have won.

      Quentin gets to play tomorrow. Tony's an energized spectator.

      Stephanie's opening comment this morning: "Get the feeling it's going to be a big day in politics?"

      Pulsating stuff. Wow. Thanks.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:24PM
    • After asking at the head of the day, I awake to find that KRudd did pick up the ball after all. Some thoughts:
      1.Disappointed to not find this in the morning news in Texas.
      2. A change for Labor - normally the unwinnable elections go to women e.g. Kirner, Kennearly (maybe no women beginning with K this time).
      3. It appears that EVEN the Drovers Dog could lose this election.

      Commenter
      Avago
      Location
      Texas
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:23PM
    • Gooo Malcolm

      Commenter
      AndreP
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:22PM
    • Well done PM Gillard. Your final address showed you at your best.
      So, first point of Abbott scrutiny - repeatedly in his press conference he referred to 'Mr' Rudd, BUT 'Julia' Gillard. And true to form, he made no reference to, or acknowledgement of, his party deputy, Julie Bishop, standing right beside him. Take note folks!

      Commenter
      Cass Phoenix
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:19PM
    • Politicians all have ego's not usually seen in "normal walks of life", but the current lot seem to be a new breed and take it to a new obscene level. Why else would they do it? They've all forgotten what their elected job is. Get on with it and please show more dignity and respect for the job and Parliament rather than self promotion of ego's. But it is good to see the last (?) of Julia, but K Rudd, his scabbard will lead his party into obscurity, and hopefully his ego with it.

      Commenter
      GT
      Location
      NYC
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:19PM
    • Gee our international audience must be watching on thinking 'Now that's a united party, let's do business'... An absolute farce.

      Commenter
      Laughing stock
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:18PM
    • What I would like to see is that Julia and Mr Swan be held accountable for the massive financial "Dwang" the have put this country in

      Commenter
      Bones
      Location
      MLB
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:17PM
    • Ms Gillard I must ask you, was being PM of Australia anything like how you imagined it to be all those years at Unley High School?

      Commenter
      morph
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:17PM
    • Mr Abbott looks tired

      Commenter
      undecided voter
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:12PM
    • No wonder labor can't run the machinations of government. Most have never been schooled on how to run anything. Deputy PM grew up on government assistance, went into the unions and then went into politics. No wonder so many of them consider government money is simply there to be spent. Its those who pay taxes who are merely cash cows to the labor politicians of today.

      Commenter
      son of a coal miner
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:09PM
    • How silly is our voting system. A supposed democracy allows an outdated vote re-elect, shift and change leadership representitives (Prime Ministers) over time and the one that was originally voted for is back again. Welcome to 2013 Polies!

      Labour, some simple rules of the game. Don't shuffle your leadership too and frow, this type of behaviour has negative impacts and effects your integrity as a leadership party. I put emphasis on the word integrity.

      Commenter
      Griffo
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:08PM
    • While on one hand it's good to see Julia get back what she dished out, I cant help but feel we were robbed of the pleasure of getting rid of her ourselves!

      Commenter
      Is this a good thing?
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:07PM
      • Be careful what you wish for.

        Commenter
        Max Gross
        Location
        Sapphire Coast
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:14PM
      • More's the pity!

        Commenter
        the drover's dog
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:24PM
    • Finally! I also hope that both parties have learned a lesson from this experience - to never again suborn the rights of the voters by pulling a switch in leadership after the election.

      Whether Rudd wins or loses - and frankly, he'll get my vote, I always preferred him in the first place - from here on, I hope the Labor party never again repeats this ridiculous contention over leadership.

      Honestly, if Abbott wins in September, I'm totally blaming Labor. As for Liberals, I suggest that they too learn from Labor's experience and dump the toxic Abbott for a leader who hasn't embarrassed himself publicly.

      I'd much rather have an election where I can choose between a leader that I want and that I don't mind having (hint Joe Hockey - tell you what, between Hockey and Gillard, I would have gone Hockey. In other words, it's not the Liberal party I can't stand).

      I was sweating over having to go to vote under the stress of choosing between a leader I didn't want because I never voted for her (last election, I went Green) and a leader I can't stomach - at all, ever! (Yep, that'd be Abbott)

      Thank you Labor for finally getting yourself a leader that people will want to vote for. Took your bloody time.

      Finally, my respects to Gillard who has shown herself to be the most tenacious politician I have seen, perhaps ever. She is undeniably tough and I was impressed by her tenacity. Pity she wasn't able to show herself to be a leader who actually respected and cared about the people. She mistook strength for power. But I did think that she showed tremendous courage and fortitude, especially in face of outrageous and mostly unwarranted attacks from the media.

      Commenter
      Sora
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:02PM
      • Gillard was leader of the ALP at the last election.

        Commenter
        Blackchook
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:19PM
    • She made a good deputy but the faceless men wasted three years of most peoples time. Labor do not deserve any more time. They can say they will be united as they have been saying for three years we can't believe them. In recent years politics have ruined Australia and have been holding us back. They've had their go now we need to give the other side a chance.

      Commenter
      Mistake made 3 Years ago.
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:02PM
    • Anyone know if Julia removed the knife from Kevins back before she left?

      Commenter
      stylemessiah
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:58PM
    • Gillard... First female Prime Minister,
      Worst ever Prime Minister.
      She has done enormous damage to the the cause of female equality in this country, with her ridiculous and opportunistic misogyny claims and rants, not to mention her awful harsh tone in parliament.

      Commenter
      Richard
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:56PM
      • That's right, Tony Abbott is really just all sweetness and light and he and his cronies never did say all those cruel and disgraceful things. Oh what a fine, upstanding gentleman he is! Australia, you're standing in it now!

        Commenter
        Max Gross
        Location
        Sapphire Coast
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:05PM
      • Worst Prime minister ever? Really? tell that the the thousand of people who care for family members with a disability - What about the fact that the economy alone amongst the G20 to actually record growth. Sure she's made mistakes as any first term PM would - but seriously - how many PMs have had to deal with a hung parliament and sniping from some puffed up egoist like Rudd. Now - Name a couple of Howard's policies - Ones that actually made a difference to people's lives - beyond welfare to the middle class.

        Commenter
        mattoxic
        Location
        Mont Albert
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:07PM
      • You've never experienced misogyny, how would you know?

        Commenter
        kashenka
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:18PM
    • Now, there's a lesson for every back-stabbing woman out there: you stab a man in the back, he'll get you in the long grass.

      Commenter
      Everydog
      Location
      Mel
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:56PM
    • what a couple of stuffed shirts. where's bill shorten, the real new pm?

      Commenter
      petermasterton
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:55PM
      • He's working on it.

        Commenter
        Blackchook
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:05PM
    • Great speech from Rudd and really refreshing to hear that he's listening to the electorate, unlike 'tin ear' Gillard. He won't get my vote but he's still a thousand times better than Gillard.

      Commenter
      adrian
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:54PM
      • No he isn't.

        Commenter
        Kerry
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:22PM
    • Labour now have a chance to become a viable opposition .. just what we will need to minimise the damage that Abbott and Coal Co will try and do to the Clean Energy Industries... The most frightening of tier policies...
      Who knows, they might even win on a possible electorate rebound.

      Commenter
      Richard
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:52PM
    • Just watching Kevin Rudd's speech tonight. Oh my God... Julia warned us about men in blue ties. Yep... Kevin's in a blue tie. Julia must have had a premonition.

      Commenter
      Mervyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:48PM
    • Gillard was impressive as a PM and impressive in defeat. Her speech tonight was more evidence of her enormous ability and her grace and composure. I am disgusted that she has been treated so badly by the media who are to blame for this situation

      Commenter
      Marg
      Location
      Brunswick
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:45PM
      • Impressive? She would never give a straight answer to the simplest question put by the media. Spin, obfuscation and drivel. She should have emulated the straight talking of Tony Windsor and even (quelle horreur) Abbott. She has treated the electorate with contempt and the slide in her approval ratings have reflected this behaviour.

        Commenter
        Helihound
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:06PM
      • I totally agree with you but she was also has been treated badly by the faceless, spinless, and arygont members of her own party. She and the independents have been the only people doing trying for the l last three years.

        Commenter
        Dude
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:07PM
      • Well said, the media has been complicit in this outcome. I also think that the public will take some time to appreciate the difficult circumstances under which Gillard came to power and her and Swan's achievements. The media were obsessed with Gillard and have left the country bereft of any meaningful debate.

        Commenter
        startmeup
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:14PM
    • We need an election now so that all the ALP members that will not contest the next election can leave now.

      Commenter
      aspergers
      Location
      Artarmon
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:41PM
    • Damn that blue polka dot tie

      Commenter
      Howie
      Location
      Melb
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:40PM
    • Rudd's determination to act in the same way that bought his PMship to an ignomious end will make his crushing defeat at the hands of the electorate in the near future all the more delightful.

      He has clearly learned nothing.

      Commenter
      Simon
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:40PM
    • Labor - the only real "environmental" party ... now recycling Prime Ministers ...

      Commenter
      FrankK
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:39PM
      • And how many times was John Howard leader of his party, then dethroned, then come back, tossed away again? How different really?

        Commenter
        wb
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:03PM
    • Maybe Kevin can justify his actions in the words of Napoleon (played by Rod Steiger) in the film Waterloo.... "I did not usurp the crown. I found it — in the gutter."

      Commenter
      Helihound
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:39PM
    • Julia Gillard has been a good Prime Minister with many great achievements and Australia is in a good position. Her biggest failing however has been her inability to deflect Abbots negativity and personal attacks and thus fail to keep the electorate's confidence. She has also been unable to highlight Abbot's weak policies. It is inevitable that a change was necessary and one hopes Kevin Rudd has learnt from past mistakes and can defeat Abbot and lead us well.

      Commenter
      Ken M
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:38PM
      • +1 Well said.

        Commenter
        Fred
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:59PM
    • Ahhh ... I love this game. They play it in Italian politics a lot ... Its called musical Prime Ministers. And remind me again .... why was Rudd ousted before? I think thjs inability for the party to rally together will see the demise of the labor party come election time. The only thing sadder than that is what we have to look forward to.

      Commenter
      KJ
      Location
      Sydmey
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:38PM
    • Don't ever forget this, it was Rudd that demolished a working border protection policy that has cost this country, I mean you and I millions and millions and the deaths of at least 1,000 individuals.

      Commenter
      Saxon
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:37PM
      • Humbug. Don't you know there's a war on?

        Commenter
        Max Gross
        Location
        Sapphire Coast
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:07PM
      • I don't think it is fair to call it justice, but I do believe the style of her rise to the PM's office ruined the good sentiment the public had and was the obvious key ingredient in her lack of popularity and eventual downfall despite the policies and sweeping reforms she implemented. Thanks Ms Gillard and sorry you were so under-appreciated.

        Commenter
        JackDiego
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:34PM
    • Rudd? Really? That's your solution? Are you that lacking in depth and talent that you choose Rudd?

      You really must have a Short Memory !

      Commenter
      The Slow Eater
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:32PM
    • What goes around, comes around, Julia. Bit too late for Rudd to have any meaningful impact but there you go...

      Commenter
      Jez
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:31PM
    • sooooooooooooo what happens now if old mate Shorten wakes up tomorrow and says......you know what, hang on! I think I have made an error and I will now give my seven votes back to Julia! Lets call another spill and stick Julia back in the big seat! I know this might look bad to some people but yep, nah, oh yeah....lets go back to Julia...............again!!!! Sounds ridiculous I know! ANYTHING is possible with this lot...especially if it means absolute chaos.

      Commenter
      eyeswideopen
      Location
      earth
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:31PM
    • It will be great to see the very flawed Rudd finally put away in a few weeks time. Don't forget who started the asylum seeker fiasco folks. Then it will be all over red rover. Whoops, gotta zip.

      Commenter
      Myleton
      Location
      City
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:29PM
    • Resigning from politics, not recontesting her seat, gracefully exiting the stage, Julia Gillard has given Kevin Rudd a clean break. Gillard is a better loser than Rudd. She has given him the respect that he did not give her.

      Commenter
      GinnyTonic
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:29PM
    • I am very disappointed in the current state of Australian politics.

      To date I have been very impressed by Gillard’s tact and graciousness in the face of atrocious, disrespectful behaviour and misogynist attitudes from so many different sources, including her own party and while it’s very disappointing that such behaviours and attitudes still exist in our society, it’s not difficult to see why when such a visible office fails to provide suitable role-models.

      Would it have been so difficult for them to have provided her with sufficient guidance, support, and loyalty during her tenure instead of this constant conspiracy to tear her down? As the first female PM she will go down well in the history books without the ALP. Through their school-yard behaviour however they have shown themselves to be a fractured bunch of dishonourable children more interested in putting themselves forward than in supporting their party policies and improving life in Australia for the people they’re supposed to be representing and serving.

      Frankly all the bickering and back-stabbing is disgraceful and it gives me absolutely no confidence in the professionalism of the ALP nor in the Liberal Party and frankly I despair of the coming election and whether there is anyone worthy of my vote.

      Gillard has at least bought honour and courage to her position as PM and as such won a lot of respect for Australia and for women everywhere. For this I am grateful and I wish her very well in her future endeavours.

      Commenter
      concerned14
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:28PM
      • Hear hear I agree

        Commenter
        Marg
        Location
        Brunswick
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:38PM
      • A very sad day for Australia - the will look later and weep because of this. So sad for Ms Gillard.

        Commenter
        oboist2
        Location
        Glenfield
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:52PM
      • "...Gillard has at least bought honour and courage to her position as PM ..."
        Which dimension are you living in??
        The honour and courage of a back stabber?

        Commenter
        Richard
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:36PM
    • Looks like I can finally vote for Labor again. Tony was never going to get my vote, but neither was Gillard. Let's finally put all of this behind us.

      Commenter
      dehness
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:27PM
      • You live in both the Lalor and Warringah electorates? And now you are moving to the Griffith electorate? Wow. I applaud your dedication to who you intend to "vote" for.

        Commenter
        sugardaddy
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:37PM
      • Guess you failed to notice 49 people voted for for Gillard. Not all 49 resigned.

        Commenter
        Kaboda
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:37PM
      • Well that's one unwitting vote this no hoper will get. Well done, not! Can't believe people are so hoodwinked by this used car salesman of a man! Sickening to say the least.

        Commenter
        Phill power
        Location
        Hong Kong
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:58PM
      • Everyone knows a vote for your local member is a De facto vote for the party leader. Don't try to be witty, it doesn't suit you.

        Commenter
        dehness
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:02PM
      • Have a high interest in politics do you, OTB? I'll let the LABOR party know not to expect your vote :)

        Commenter
        thetruth
        Location
        notneverneverland
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:26PM
    • Everyone hanging around waiting for Rudd to appear. Wasn't this a theme first time around?

      Commenter
      Richo
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:24PM
    • A sad day for Australian politics. Rudd's constant treachery gets rewarded & the politician that has made the most sense for at least the past 3 years (Tony Windsor) has resigned. The media's role in all of has been absolutely pathetic. They are the real culprits here.

      Commenter
      Easty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:24PM
      • Luckily Julia came to power in a non-treacherous way.

        Hypocrisy, you are writ large

        Commenter
        PH
        Location
        KL
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:47PM
      • Well, arguably only the 'culprits' we lemming all followed over the cliff. Oh that it was so simple to point the finger. We've received what we've deserved & pity on us all.

        Commenter
        the drover's dog
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:19PM
    • Assange is looking good for a Senate seat.

      Commenter
      Jenni
      Location
      Camberwell
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:22PM
      • Here endeth the lesson: on 14 September, do NOT vote Liberal or Labor.

        Commenter
        Max Gross
        Location
        Sapphire Coast
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:11PM
    • If a man had taken the office of PM we wouldn't still be talking about it 3 years later. Apart from pricing cabon, disability insurance, and the royal commission into sexual abuse in religions, Julia Gillard would perhaps best be remembered for exposing the sexist underbelly of this nation for all to see. No hiding from that now as the way we treated our only female PM is consigned to history.

      Commenter
      Andrew
      Location
      Geraldton
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:20PM
      • Here, here

        Commenter
        Very dissatisfied
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:44PM
    • Different head, same rubbish. Doesn't seem to matter which persuasion, politics seems to have become more about propping up the individual egos, and less about implementing good, solid policy and, dare I say it, representing the people. The day that we get someone who is able to focus Australia's, and not their own, interests is the day I re-engage as a voter. Sorry, Julia, Tony and KRudd, if I were the GG, I'd be giving you all the sack for failing to meet your KPIs to provide effective service to your customers, the Australian people.

      Commenter
      Hmmmm
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:20PM
    • Let's celebrate Rudd's achievements:-
      - Failed school building program
      - Failed insulation program
      - And many others...

      Commenter
      Rudd failures will come to bit you
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:20PM
      • Avoiding GFC oblivion

        Commenter
        sugardaddy
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:26PM
      • Rudd also saved Australia from the global financial crisis. Or do you want us to become another Spain, Greece or Cyprus?

        Commenter
        bettestreep
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:35PM
      • I think putting Australia's resilience of the GFC entirely down to Rudd is an oversimplification. A few decades worth of solid economic policy, Asian investment, and furiously digging stuff out of the ground and selling it all helped.

        The success of a PM's term is pretty circumstantial anyways. The actual PM is just one factor alongside many others like natural disasters, economic crises, and international events which influence the performance of a party. The whole operation is just one giant exercise in risk management...

        Commenter
        over_it
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:12PM
    • Gender and other things aside, the facts are that Julia was the person who backstabbed her boss to get the top job, as the PM failed to get a mandate at the last election and now has left the Labour party in tatters, having lost the respect of the electorate. Yes she had had a rough ride but, in hindsight, maybe some things were never meant to be.

      Commenter
      Realist
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:20PM
      • Hear! Hear! The chameleon finally found the karma.

        Commenter
        the drovers dog
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:33PM
      • I'll say Julia 'backstabbed' Kevin if you agree Napthine backstabbed Baillieu and you learn how to spell Labor as in the party.

        Commenter
        empho
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:36PM
      • Y'all got got peeps

        it was Billy Shorten who is the knife wielder And dont forget that

        Commenter
        BarbC
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:56PM
    • Mrs Gillard, thanks for all your effects! You are one of the greatest woman in Australia and in the whole world.

      A woman to be treated like this, is this correct? is this an Aussie man's way?

      Commenter
      Knight
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:19PM
      • It's not about men or women . It's about treachery and they are both equally treacherous in a cess pit.

        Commenter
        Drew
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:40PM
      • Ha, ha. What a joke of a comment. So it was ok for a woman to do what she did to Rudd? Is that the right way to treat a man?

        Commenter
        Niko63
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:52PM
    • A setback for women? Give me a break. Gillard lived by the sword and she died by it. Labour is a factional circus driven by self interest

      Commenter
      Tim
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:17PM
    • I have heard from the media that this is an historic day in politics. And in State of Origin when 4 players were sent to the sin bin for nothing much commentators express it was an historic night in football. This is the era of the media circus. The only thing that is historic is that the media have made a mockery of politics and football in the one night.

      Commenter
      bozo
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:16PM
      • Julia Gillard's integrity, dignity and civility makes Tony Abbott look like a spoiled, petulant child. As for Keven Rudd...

        Commenter
        Max Gross
        Location
        Sapphire Coast
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:14PM
      • Oh Please. As a woman. I am embarrassed on how this woman came to be the Prime minister. She certainly did not make us females look great by betraying rudd by kicking him off the party. I am all for women's rights but stepping on other other people to get to the top is disgusting no matter what sex you are. So you are saying that Just because she is a female and happens to be the first female prime minister. she gets a pass on the disgusting behavior of stepping on other people to achieve your career goals??

        Commenter
        WomensRights
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:14PM
    • We've just seen a change of Captain on Good Ship Labor, and the shanty goes...

      "What shall we do with a drunken Labor early in the morning

      "They'll all be keel-hauled until they're sober, by the Straylian Lectorate cos they're over

      And repeat

      Commenter
      Dougal
      Location
      Oz
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:14PM
      • Seems you were educated when the Libs were in power Dougal, given all the emphasis they place on every Australian getting access to a good education. But then again Australia is a very hard word to spell.

        Commenter
        thetruth
        Location
        notneverneverland
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:23PM
      • Seems you weren't educated in the traditional era of Lawson and Paterson, as well as earlier eras all when hymns, poetry and verse were acceptably mangled by dropping syllables. Perhaps I should have added some apostrophe's to indicate the missing letters or syllables to acceptably meet your inner Grammar-Nazi?

        If you aren't a Grammar-Nazi, then perhaps you would be more comfortable with the more contemporary text or tweet culture which would be along the lines of:

        "Like, Gillard's dumped, LMFAO!"

        Commenter
        Dougal
        Location
        Oz
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:51PM
      • Oh, and I was educated in the Gough Era, when teaching the various grammatical parts of the English language was dropped. I had to go back and teach myself when this was reintroduced for the HSC under Fraser!

        Commenter
        Dougal
        Location
        Oz
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:11PM
    • I'm 73 I have voted labor all my life but I will not vote for a party led by K Rudd

      Commenter
      richard
      Location
      queensland
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:12PM
      • So you are one of those ALP supporters that want Tony Abbott to be PM rather than Kevin Rudd?

        If Abbott becomes PM, I sure hope he reduces the aged care pension and increases the retirement age to 75. That should make people aged 73 happy to vote for Abbott - right?

        Commenter
        bettestreep
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:39PM
      • Well 73 isn't too late to change, but don't expect us to care if you' re a slow learner.

        Commenter
        Drew
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:16PM
    • Now I really do have to vote for for Tony, the labour party are a farce

      Commenter
      OTB
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:12PM
      • Have a high interest in politics do you, OTB? I'll let the LABOR party know not to expect your vote :)

        Commenter
        thetruth
        Location
        notneverneverland
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:26PM
    • I will vote for Labor now.
      Don't want to see you again, Julia Gillard

      Commenter
      alan
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:11PM
    • So here we have the merry-go-round and people are going to vote for Labor, you must be kidding. No different just a different face, same rubbish, what about all the people losing their jobs? I thought the Labor party was for the workers, not in my eyes, just about themselves and lining their pockets, noses the trough. Good-bye the rotten rubbish the lot of them, good-bye to the independents, waste of oxygen. Hopefully something better happens after the election and the Australian people are considered more than they have been in the 6 years. Can't wait to exact my revenge.

      Commenter
      Mary
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:10PM
    • In a desperate move to save its grip on government, Labor Caucus goes messianic, and brings back Rudd. Can he be THE ONE? He did rise from the dead on the third day, err leadership spill, so maybe. But he’s also back to pass judgement – watch out Shorten, Wong, and co. Next, can he walk on water to reach all those disenfranchised voters? Or will he be crucified and burned at the polling stakes, once and for all?

      Commenter
      crl
      Location
      east
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:10PM
    • People have short memories, If Kevin Rudd's ego could be harnessed as a bio fuel alternate, he could fuel the Qantas fleet free for a year. After today's events, it will be his ego that will bring him down again. As another famous Queenslander politician once said "don't you worry about that."

      Commenter
      timjackelton
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:06PM
    • It is the LABOR party not the LABOUR party. Thank goodness for the education reforms, it might help future internet trolls spell correctly.

      Commenter
      matt3204
      Location
      Brighton
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:02PM
      • its not LABOR either! Its C H A O S.

        Commenter
        eyeswideopen
        Location
        earth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:34PM
      • "Missed by that much"!

        "Would you believe....

        Commenter
        Dougal
        Location
        Oz
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:04PM
    • It is a sad day for Australian political system, the event tonight sets back the cause for women in this country for decades - who would want to be a MP let alone being a PM. I said before and I say again PM Gillard is one formidable woman stuck between two egoistic men and surrounded by a hostile press - Best of luck for her future endeavour - She always has my support and finally I wish to thank her for all her hard works.

      Commenter
      mais51
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:55PM
      • You have to be joking. Gillard, the Brutus of politics, deposed as she had first done to another. If this isn't justice, nothing is.

        Commenter
        GitL
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:07PM
      • I agree it is sad to see this happen to Ms Gillard, she has done some great things for our nation. This however isn't about women, this is about rolling elected leaders. Who are these people that supposedly represent our values? Why would anyone think Rudd would stay leader if he were elected?

        Commenter
        Astounded
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:12PM
    • Queensland gets the double tonight.

      Commenter
      meatatarian
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:55PM
      • See, getting Kevin back in helped the QLD team.

        Commenter
        Tom
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:02PM
    • I am disgusted, we have gone back to Rudd, he caused the political problems we have now .Same Labor, same mess

      Commenter
      Mona Van Holt
      Location
      Parramatta
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:54PM
      • A tad simplistic, don't you think?

        Commenter
        the drover's dog
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:22PM
      • Dear Mona, what mess has Kevin left? Julia is very talented, but she has no credibility in the electorates. This is not a choice about individuals, but the survival of the. Labour Party.

        Commenter
        Phil
        Location
        Mosman
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:30PM
    • Time to cash up and move to NZ. Between Abbott, Rudd, the oligarchs and the gossips who pass themselves off as journalists, this country has no future.

      Commenter
      wombat
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:53PM
      • Off you go then; apologies the exchange rate is not better for you.....

        Commenter
        the drover's dog
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:23PM
    • Finally, someone to vote for.

      Commenter
      DazzaC
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:53PM
      • Good Luck @DazzaC do you live in KRudd's electorate??? because if you don't you won't be able to vote for him.

        Commenter
        Mary
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:13PM
    • The Labor Party is a joke, after all the accomplishments and hard work they bring back Kevin Rudd. Labor you have lost my vote.

      Commenter
      Adam Merckel
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:52PM
      • Ditto! This is 'personality politics' in the extreme - maybe they could segue to a reality television show to improve ratings.

        Commenter
        the drover's dog
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:25PM
    • don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone .....
      (with apologies to joni mitchell)

      Commenter
      gconthegc
      Location
      gold coast
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:52PM
      • You take a pair of dice and put up a barking mob...

        Commenter
        Max Gross
        Location
        Sapphire Coast
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:35PM
    • Yesssss. Midnigjht Oil to tour again. Csn't wait! Oh the power and the passion

      Commenter
      Niall_F
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:50PM
      • The union forces give the nod,

        It's a setback for your pa-a-a-rty.

        Commenter
        Malik the magic sheep
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:55PM
      • He can also check on how many beds are burning!!
        I loved The Oils :-)

        Commenter
        Rosie
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:59PM
      • While Gough was tough til he he hit the rough...

        Gillard was 'nuff til Labor gave her the rough

        Commenter
        Dougal
        Location
        Oz
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:18PM
    • As simple as this, Labor would certainly do the same politics. They are all the same people! No matter who the leader is, Rudd or Gillard, the labor party members are the same people. Same people, same politics and same failures. Gillard would have brought honor if she remains PM until election. But now, labor reinstated Rudd for the sake of winning this election. Are you seriously still fool enough thinking that this same labor party will do any better if they are re-elected??

      Commenter
      FRS
      Location
      Wollongong
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:50PM
      • Agreed. That's their downfall. they could win with kevin but most people would be smart enough to realize the whole party is to blame for the mess and bringing back kevin is not going to save them. I think Kevin is better off starting new party from scratch.

        Commenter
        RuddParty
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:04PM
      • Well I won't be voting for Rudd or Abbott, this has been a fiasco of enormous proportion - I'm embarrassed at the way our politician conduct themselves, the two major parties are a joke!!!!!

        Commenter
        Crying shame
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:55PM
    • Kev's back!

      All the rest of Labor's Pollies are still the same.

      After Grocery Watch and Fuel Watch, Labor will desperately need Labor Polly Watch!

      Won't make a difference, just like any other of Kev's "Watches".

      Commenter
      Dougal
      Location
      Oz
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:49PM
      • Oh god. The memories. The terrible memories.

        Sky was suggesting he had a few policy changes (read: gimmicks) on the way. Presumably Fairfax wanted to hide those details from us.

        Commenter
        Simon
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:13PM
    • I am wondering whether the Australian people can really trust the Labor party anymore. It does not matter who's the leader, the events in the past 3-4 years should be a reminder that we are electing a party and not a leader, and the Labor party is fragile and has repetitively implodes.

      It can be that the Australian people chooses Kevin Rudd in the next election to be replaced the next day via a similar voting that we saw today.

      Commenter
      Howie
      Location
      Melb
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:49PM
      • It's worse that that...

        The same old back room deals done by the same old Labor Pollies that have not changed despite this change in Captain.

        The next versions of Grocery watch, Pink Batts or BER's are going to be Gonski and NDIS regardless of their benefit to the community!

        Commenter
        Dougal
        Location
        Oz
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:01PM
      • Hey Dougie, mate, did someone forget to tell you that Abbott supported the introduction of NDIS? But then again, your previous comments indicate you only see, hear and read what you want to.

        Commenter
        getreal
        Location
        cloud10
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:00PM
    • Very gracious speech by Gillard and a strong one by Swan also. She has always been impressive when dealing with matters like this. Hope that she finds a position after politics that will be better suited to her many strengths.

      Commenter
      Altered
      Location
      Esperance
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:48PM
      • She won't have to hurry, her pension shall suffice quite nicely whilst deliberating. Refresh my memory regarding those "loyal" (embarrassed) ministers who have resigned but will re-contest their seats.....what is the optimum number of years in politics required to qualify for the maximum parliamentary pension benefits???

        Commenter
        the drovers dog
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:37PM
    • I was touched by Julia’s valedictorian press-conference, a dignified exit to prime ministership, and sad to see her go.

      I’m also scared, against reasoning, that if Labour’s polls go up, what does that say about perception of gender in a so-called modern society if the Australian people prefer the same party, same policies, led by a man.

      Commenter
      Concerned
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:47PM
      • Oh, pleeeeeeeeease!

        Commenter
        the drovers dog
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:31PM
    • I think Julia has put up with more vilification than any Australian politician before. I admire her coolness, tenacity and intellect. Enjoy your respite Julia and thank you for your achievements on our behalf. Shame that your collegues are so poll driven that they have no political vision apart from saving their own skin. One happy moment though - you can chuck the knitted kangaroo in the bin and go back to being a republican!

      Commenter
      Wendywendywoo
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:46PM
    • A big thank you to the 57 ALP members who voted in the best interests of the ALP and Australia. I can finally sleep well at night knowing that Abbott won't be winning in a landslide. Heck Rudd might even win the next election - something Gillard and her selfish supporters denied him in 2010.

      Commenter
      bettestreep
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:46PM
      • Same huge sense of relief here bettestreep. +1

        Commenter
        Altered
        Location
        Esperance
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:01PM
      • He was about to lose the 2010 election. Gillard saved us 3 years of Abbott.

        Commenter
        Kerry
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:25PM
    • Kev's back - After various previous "Watches", anyone for "Lifeboat-Watch" on Labor's Titanic?

      Can't save drowning boat people, but won't save Labor Pollies either!

      Commenter
      Dougal
      Location
      Oz
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:46PM
    • Gillard will now become the Akhenaten of Australian politics as I'm sure Rudd will do everything in his power to erase her from memory.

      Commenter
      enigma
      Location
      Qld
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:44PM
    • I hope there's not an omen in tonight's events - Rudd wins at last, Queensland 24-0 almost at the end of the State of Origin...

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:44PM
    • Mission accomplished media.

      Commenter
      Jenni
      Location
      Camberwell
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:43PM
      • You're my pick for Featured Comment.
        100% correct.

        Commenter
        meatatarian
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:58PM
      • Well done good & faithful servant, well done!!

        Commenter
        Smack
        Location
        City of the Fallen
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:21PM
    • game of throne live series 1

      Commenter
      tintin1
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:42PM
    • Well I never thought I would see the day we joined the Punch & Judy show of politics what a farce and embarrassment for us as a nation. This proves they couldn't organise a choock raffle never mind run a government. Now lets see how the finance world reacts. My only thoughts are that if this was not the people who claim to be able to run our country it would be the funniest comedy show ever.

      Commenter
      Scorpio
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:41PM
    • I don't know whether it is due to the hung parliament, having to negotiate and accommodate so many contradictory views and political ideologies; or because she was the first woman occupying such high office, however, it has been acknowledged that no PM has ever been subjected to such and ongoing pressure from so many different sources. It may take us all a while, but eventually, we will always realise what a great women we had for Prime Minister. It is a real pity we did not provide her with a support she deserved. She would have made one of our greatest Prime Minister ever.

      I expect that many would currently have differing opinions. However, once we have time to carefully consider the personal qualities and the great work of this extraordinarily capable woman, we will all come to similar conclusion.

      Thank you Julia and good luck in your future endeavours!!!

      Commenter
      Philip N
      Location
      Bacchus Marsh
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:40PM
      • Hear, hear.

        Commenter
        sugardaddy
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:23PM
    • Tonight there was murder on the dance floor of Labor politics. And the government did it to itself, yet again! And now Australia is back to the Prime MInister that lost his way 3 years ago. What a joke!

      Commenter
      Mervyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:37PM
      • Miss Marple would be proud of that episode :-)

        Commenter
        Rosie
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:45PM
      • It was Colonel Shorten in the caucus room with the mirror ball!

        Commenter
        Malik the magic sheep
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:01PM
    • It's got nothing to do with gender. Gillard is a strong intelligent character but was poorly advised, accident prone, hopelessly robotic as a communicator and make poor political decisions supposedly in the interests of woman that undermined both men and women eg abortion.
      It is that which made her IMO a poor prime minister and a poor prime minister in the opinion of most people.

      Commenter
      Brad
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:36PM
      • Couldn't agree more Brad. +1

        Commenter
        Altered
        Location
        Esperance
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:41PM
    • I find it strange there is so many people here claiming they will be voting Libs for the first time ever.....off all the time in your life to vote Libs is it really their current leader that we want elected?

      Commenter
      matt3204
      Location
      Brighton
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:34PM
      • We don't elect their leader we elect a party based upon their policies.
        Get over the media infatuation with the party leader.

        Commenter
        Chumlee
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:39PM
      • Its a choice between a likely incompetent and a known incompetent. Rudd has form, and has shown no sign of changing.

        Commenter
        Simon
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:09PM
      • Ditto Chumlee agree with you, some of the Australian public just don't get it, they think this is an American election where they think voting for the leader is the answer to all their prayers. NOT!!!

        Commenter
        Mary
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:17PM
    • Well done Labor! You've just changed the Captain on the Titanic!

      Now for swapping around those same old pesky back-room deck chairs!

      I'll bet when you launch that inadequate number of available lifeboats, that most won't have anyone in them.

      Labor can execute - but it cannot execute a plan!

      Commenter
      Dougal
      Location
      Oz
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:34PM
      • Ah yes, Admiral Tony will solve all your woes by selling you an iceberg!

        Commenter
        Max Gross
        Location
        Sapphire Coast
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:45PM
      • Not sure what I'd do with an iceberg from Tony after this event - but at least it would be a different one from the one that's hit Labor-Titanic!

        Commenter
        Dougal
        Location
        Oz
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:54PM
      • Yes, I daresay that with his unique people skills Admiral Tony will have Indonesia eating out of his hand in no time and Joe Hockey's abacus will do just fine, just fine!

        Commenter
        Max Gross
        Location
        Sapphire Coast
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:08PM
    • Such blatant sexism and misogyny. How disgraceful.
      Thankfully we wont have to listen to this divisive crap anymore.

      Commenter
      Chumlee
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:32PM
    • What a sad and tragic day for politics and for Australia. I believe one day Australia will look back in shame at this period in our nation's history.

      Commenter
      TD
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:32PM
    • Great work this afternoon and tonight, Stephanie - well done!

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:29PM
      • hear hear - go & have a champers or two Stephanie & others. Great effort on a monumental ay & night.

        Commenter
        Rosie
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:43PM
      • Yes, great work. Thank you very much. Quite a day.

        Commenter
        Altered
        Location
        Esperance
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:04PM
    • I think Julia was extremely strategic in this instance, she knew she was going to lose. she wanted to go out this way, already people are talking about how good she was and how labour let here down (although she made a monumental blunders and put the party at this position.)
      if she had stayed, after the massacre in September she will be known as the person who destroyed Labour. And she found a way out of that. Poor Kev fell for it.

      Commenter
      Thornss
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:28PM
    • I don't care whether it was Gillard or again Rudd. This ALP mob are hopeless. Rudd's mistakes were significant - carbon tax, mining tax, asylum seekers, Grocery Watch, Fuel Watch, Pink Batts. Gillard's mistakes were just as significant - asylum seekers (e.g. the East Timor agreement that never was), endless promises of budget surpluses, the Julia School Halls, increasing deficits, etc. As far as I'm concerned, the sooner we get rid of the ALP as a government, the better.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:28PM
    • The rats finally realised the water was up to their feet.
      Fact is the ship is still sinking.

      Commenter
      Chumlee
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:27PM
    • Caucus has just rewarded the person who over the last 3 years has shown the least party loyalty, the least altruism and the least honesty. Detest Tony but despise Kevin the wrecker...what to do?

      Commenter
      jenL
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:27PM
    • Congrats to The Age. You must be proud of yourself.

      Commenter
      Sb
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:24PM
      • The Age was not in control of 57 ALP clowns who voted for Rudd.

        Commenter
        Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:33PM
      • Do you also play your fiddle while fires burn, Sd?

        Commenter
        Jiminy
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:45PM
      • No, don't shoot the messengers, the Age called as they saw it last week like all the various media outlets did throughout Australia. Today's events were created by the Labor Party itself, the Age over the years played their left handed poker game in support until the goal posts shifted to to the right in public opinion. The Liberals haven't won the election yet, neither has Labor. It's back to square one, something had to give.

        Commenter
        timjackelton
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:46PM
    • Australia is back again on the World Map

      Commenter
      Corrigenda
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:23PM
    • "Rudd wins ballot 57 votes to 45 to lead Labour into next election."

      Labour?

      Commenter
      bornagirl
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:23PM
    • Lovely Australia, after nine years here I became one of you.

      A man who can't speak straight to you is now your Prime Minister; his greedy, selfish scared MP's gave up on you to keep their seat on the gravy train.

      What have you done.

      Commenter
      Aparajito
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:23PM
      • +1

        Commenter
        Yep
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:36PM
      • But fork-tongued Tony's not the PM yet.

        Commenter
        Max Gross
        Location
        Sapphire Coast
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:40PM
    • G'nite Steph, thanks for publishing more of my comments than you rejected :)

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:21PM
    • All the Kings Horses and all the King's Men couldn't repair Humpty Dumpty. What degree of success does Rudd think he'll have? Honestly, what a comedy of errors!

      Commenter
      Dubbxe
      Location
      Barkly Tablelands
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:20PM
    • This is a disgrace. From the moment Julia Gillard entered office, her own party and the media set upon her. She was stood a chance. It is funny, once a boys club, always a boys club. She was a wonderful prime Minister. Pity nobody really had the chance to really see what she actually did achieve.

      Commenter
      Chalkies tax haven
      Location
      Epping
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:18PM
      • +1. So much for Abbott's "kinder, gentler polity".

        Commenter
        Max Gross
        Location
        Sapphire Coast
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:49PM
      • History will show just how good she was. What she's achieved in the face of a hung Parliament was extraordinary. A strong Prime Minister with the guts to stand up to the mining bosses, media barons, big tobacco and big polluters. Abbott will roll over for all of them.

        Commenter
        sad day
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:51PM
    • Just go away. All of you. Enough of Labour. ENOUGH.

      Commenter
      Puhlease
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:17PM
      • I think you mean Labor

        Commenter
        Xal
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:28PM
      • It's Labor, Labour

        Commenter
        sugardaddy
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:42PM
      • Have it your way - or Kevin's way, which is any way. Another big win for you tonight. Be proud! PROUD!

        Commenter
        Spellcheck
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:56PM
    • Oh Australians, this leadership debacle makes us a laughing stock in the world. How can one still happily throw support behind labor after all these jokes!! Ask yourself: what would guarantee that this would never happen again??? Labor is a joke. Same people...same jokes! This will happen again, I guarantee this. Choose wisely!

      Commenter
      Ray
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:16PM
      • The rest of the world looks at us with bemusement. We got it good. What more do you want?

        Commenter
        Peter
        Location
        oZ
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:38PM
    • having reinstalled kevin, what assurance can labor give me that if I vote for kevin and he wins, they won't re-knife him later

      Commenter
      pete
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:14PM
    • What a sad day in Australian politics! Does Kevin think this will turn around the bloodbath on Sept 14? What a joke our political parties have become, led on by a merciless media acting like pack dogs on the hunt. Sadly, our country was not ready for a strong, formidable female PM. Julia, this is but a fork in the road for you.

      Commenter
      Julie for Julia
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:14PM
      • Strong and formidable? I don't think so...the only Julia Gillard speech I have enjoyed listening to was tonight's defeat waffle...

        Commenter
        Pat Rat
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:35PM
      • Her reign will be remembered for doing the right thing, not the most popular. Case in point - the NDIS. What a win for this country's most vulnerable! Strong and formidable she is!

        Commenter
        Julie for Julia
        Location
        Eltham
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:01PM
    • rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic...

      Commenter
      Geri
      Location
      Atric
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:13PM
    • Thankfully, the leadership speculation is over. I mean, it's not like the Liberals have a leader with a one vote majority over a popular alternative like Malcolm Turnbull? Right? A 49/51% split isn't a divided caucus is it? Oh, dear. I think the politics of politics will continue after September!

      Commenter
      Paulie72
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:12PM
    • Finally, we're going to have an Australian PM who supports same-sex marriage and represents the majority of Australians on this issue. Albeit, for a brief period of time.

      Commenter
      SimonL
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:11PM
    • It is ironic that all of this is taking place while State of Origin is being decided. Football, in any code, demands loyalty, solid support, commitment and mateship all of the things lacking in tonight's deposing of Gillard. Since 2010 Gillard has fought against three enemies, one of them is now PM elect. A sad night.

      Commenter
      Big Al
      Location
      Monty
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:10PM
      • No, it's not sad...it's called karma...

        Commenter
        Pat Rat
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:38PM
      • Well, the ABC are running a poll and discussion on whether it was the wise thing to do. This will not stop. The media will extract the last drop of everybody else's blood with this, right up until election day. Leadership stability will be an election issue. Probably the main one.

        Commenter
        JohnLT
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:10PM
    • The chief Herder is back. watch the flock follow with blindfolds on......... fools !!!!!

      Commenter
      farmer
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:10PM
    • No more Craig Emerson anywhere on my TV
      No more Craig Emerson anywhere on my TV
      No more Craig Emerson anywhere on my TV
      Thrilling me right out of my brain
      Thrilling me right out of my brain...

      Commenter
      Homo Politicanus
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:10PM
      • +10 couldn't agree more.

        Commenter
        Mary
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:21PM
    • And so it's back to the men in blue ties.

      Thank you Julia for making a difference, while facing down unspeakable sexism and harassment.

      Your reforms and stoicism do you proud.

      Commenter
      Splash
      Location
      Billabong
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:10PM
      • Hear! Hear!. The treatment of this PM is something to be absolutely embarrassed about. She provided great reform in the face of a tough parliamentary situation. Her farewell speech this evening shows us just how dedicated to her job she was. Gender is definitely a factor in her treatment by a significant part of the Australian male population has been nothing short of appalling. I'm hanging my head in shame.

        Commenter
        DavePerth
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:30PM
    • Gooo Malcolm

      Commenter
      AndreP
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:07PM
    • Please quit.....or is that another promise you will break!

      Commenter
      Xal
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:06PM
    • Julia Gillard was right to be afraid of the misogynists men wearing blue ties. Unfortunately for her, it turned out to be men behind her rather opposite to her.

      Commenter
      Tim
      Location
      Footscray
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:05PM
    • Looking forward to the REAL ballot later this year. Goodbye Labor. Coming from someone who never dreamed they would ever vote Liberal, that says a lot.

      Commenter
      Meteorite
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:04PM
    • Revenge of the blue ties.

      Commenter
      Fluvox
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:02PM
      • Maybe they can report on all the lies. Where are all the superclinics? When is the Federal government taking over all hospitals? Why did Rudd contest again? When are the rest of the Henry review recommendations being implemented? When is the never ever carbon tax being repealed?
        On and on and on...

        Commenter
        Thor
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:00PM
    • So over this whole thing! Good luck to any woman in politics!! Had she been a block I wonder if all of this would have happened! Good luck Kevin...hope you can make a difference and restore our faith in Labour!

      Commenter
      minime!
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:59PM
    • this is excatly the kind of shenanigans in Australian politics that only solidifies my reasons for being a NON-VOTER..

      Commenter
      theURBAN_monkey
      Location
      Potts Point
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:59PM
      • Cop out! Voting goes with the territory.... it's part of living in a democracy. The alternative's fairly unattractive.

        Commenter
        Vorpal
        Location
        Coffs Harbour
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:32PM
    • Thank god she put the condition that the loser should disappear. Thankfully we will never have to see her face or hear her voice again (hopefully). But then, can you trust her to keep her word?

      Commenter
      hash50
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:59PM
      • Her word that she'll slide into a cushy government pension where she can knit all day while listening to Radio National? Yeah, I think we can take her word.

        Commenter
        Malik the magic sheep
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:05PM
    • I'm surprised 45 members were prepared to follow Gillard to oblivion. Anybody that thinks, as she did, that there would be a miraculous turn around is deluded. That train was going to hit the wall at full speed come what may. At least now there is a chance to see Labor competitive again.

      Commenter
      Altered
      Location
      Esperance
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:58PM
      • Could have something to do with having principles and integrity.

        Commenter
        DIDI K
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:10PM
      • Except they're mostly the same lot that booted Rudd out in the first place, DIDI K...no principles or integrity involved then nor now.

        Commenter
        Jiminy
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:42PM
      • There is a full moon, is there not?

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:57PM
    • Oh well. At least we had Swan as treasurer when the GFC hit.

      Commenter
      JackB
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:57PM
      • At least Swann inherited a well provisioned & battened-down treasury in order to weather the GFC storm ... our next treasurer won't be so lucky!

        Commenter
        Sithra
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:07PM
    • Hold on.

      What about McTernan, the mouth for hire.

      457 revoked?

      "Unique skills" rendered redundant?

      I'm happy to wave him off at the airport.

      Commenter
      Louis Cypher
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:55PM
    • I reluctantly accept the Labor Party's decision to revert to Kevin Rudd. How he fares in his second go remains to be seen. I only hope the Labor Party has made the right decision in voting out Julia Gillard.

      However, thank you Julia for your wonderful job as Prime Minister. An extraordinary woman who has had to withstand countless withering attacks on her integrity, yet immensely successful in implementing her signature reform programs such as the NDIS and education. Bravo Julia!

      Commenter
      Anthony
      Location
      Sunshine
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:53PM
      • Here here!

        Commenter
        Kerry
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:02PM
      • Hear, hear.

        Commenter
        sugardaddy
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:40PM
      • I fully concur and would add the NBN and being an inspiration to young women around Australia as just a few of her achievments.

        Commenter
        Rational Thinker
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:41PM
    • The bad old guys won.....everyone knows who they are. Australia should hang its head in shame. You rejected my last comment but I still continue to watch media reporters laughing 'I told you so.' Our media has hounded and still wants to humiliate Julia Gillard. Where is your humanity. Shabby.

      Commenter
      punch
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:53PM
      • I am disgusted.

        Commenter
        Flippered
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:05PM
    • Just what is he going to claim as achievements in an election campaign ?? All the hard work has been done by Julia. He can't really say, "Well I spent the last 3 years white anting " Haha!! Have to laugh or you cry!

      A lot of people really didn't think this through. Starting with that add, it's going to be awful !!

      Commenter
      DIDI K
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:52PM
    • It just gets better.
      Albo.
      Deputy PM
      Expect rhetoric.
      Don't expect results

      Commenter
      Louis Cypher
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:51PM
    • Julia Gillard, the nation owes you an apology!

      Commenter
      Max Gross
      Location
      Sapphire Coast
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:48PM
    • Who cares? All three of them (Tony budgie smuggler Abott included) want to spy on us and continue to erode our civil liberties to further their own party interests.

      It's Wikileaks all the way for me!!!

      Commenter
      Go Julian!!!
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:48PM
    • OK MSM, you got your coup. Now what?

      Commenter
      JohnLT
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:45PM
      • There is a full moon, is there not?

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:57PM
      • Maybe they can report on all the lies. Where are all the superclinics? When is the Federal government taking over all hospitals? Why did Rudd contest again? When are the rest of the Henry review recommendations being implemented? When is the never ever carbon tax being repealed?
        On and on and on...

        Commenter
        Thor
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:00PM
      • Well, the ABC are running a poll and discussion on whether it was the wise thing to do. This will not stop. The media will extract the last drop of everybody else's blood with this, right up until election day. Leadership stability will be an election issue. Probably the main one.

        Commenter
        JohnLT
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:10PM
    • This time they voted out a leader in the belief that by doing so they would win an election. This one was nothing personal.
      Last time they voted out a leader when he was popular taking a great risk. You have to ask yourself why?
      after that he masterminded the undermining of the government for 3 years. What is this man willing to do.
      Think about this.
      Prediction Liberals will have a spill for leadership with Turnbull.

      Commenter
      maggie
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:45PM
      • Prediction: not for a couple of years, and only if Shorten actually lays a glove on Abbott, which looks pretty unlikely given his performance today.

        Commenter
        Simon
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:12PM
      • totally agree, my prediction as well. Tony Abbott will get in at the next election, only to be replaced by Malcolm Turnall as soon as Tony's popularity starts to fall.

        Commenter
        msboronia
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:21PM
    • Thanks for fine job Julia, sorry that you wont lead the party to the defeat of Abbott and his right wing cronies. Kevin had better make a contest of this election. Nothing would be worse than an Abbott led Government.

      Commenter
      RayS
      Location
      Pilbara
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:43PM
      • You're blind. Can't be any worse than what we've had. At least we will have a functional government.

        Commenter
        Peter
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:11PM
    • Lets hope that Kevin Rudd can flush out the policies of the Coalition.

      We all need to know how much money we are going to loose if we vote for the Coalition. So far it looks like about two thousand dollars per year for our house hold.

      If Kevin Rudd can get the message across to middle Australia that under the Coalition and their proposed cut backs their jobs are not that secure, then the ALP has a good chance of winning the election

      Commenter
      Rod
      Location
      the Coast
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:42PM
      • And there is the classic issue with Labor supporters.

        GIVE ME MORE! DON'T YOU DARE TAKE IT AWAY FROM ME!

        Conveniently ignore the fact the country is in a huge debt hole and that cuts to funding or services need to be made. If you want otherwise, go live in Spain or greece.

        Commenter
        Thor
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:54PM
    • Let the people decide ...NOW!!!

      Commenter
      caveman
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:42PM
    • I am so let down by the labor party. I can never see myself voting for them again.

      Commenter
      dave
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:40PM
      • So your previous support was fairly shallow. You'd rather vote for the Tea Party? I just don't understand fair-weather support.

        Commenter
        Vorpal
        Location
        Coffs Harbour
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:17PM
    • For goodness' sake you doomsayers out there...do you want Tony Abbott to bring Australia to her knees by bringing back the WorkChoices back in if he is elected as PM in September? He will just bring the country back into the dark & old days of the 1950's. This is a reason why Julia had to go as Kevin is the popular choice by the people of Australia. Kevin may have made a few mistakes in the past but he will learn them from his experience. It was the sake of the Labor Party to voted Julia out or otherwise it would be a complete wipe-out if Kevin wasn't elected as PM in the next elections by Abbott. Bet that the Abbott's camp are now running scared stiff about Kevin's mighty return to the top job now. Bring on the Opposition leadership ballot between Abbott & Turnbull now! Let see how interesting the next elections will be between Rudd & Turnbull.. Bring it on !

      Commenter
      ibd1958
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:38PM
      • I think that's the funniest post I have read all week!!

        Commenter
        Hanging Judge Jeffries
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:57PM
      • So you say that Abbott will just bring the country back into the dark & old days of the 1950's.
        How many companies were making cars back then, I know it never looked like Holden or Ford would be gone.
        In February 2012, Mr Rudd challenged Ms Gillard and lost 71 votes to 31. So not many people wanted Rudd, most of them said Rudd was an egomaniac. Now Labor want to foist him on to us.
        Of course Rudd is a man of his word, remember this gem "He has also said that there were no circumstances under which he would return to the Labor leadership".
        Take a look at the number of Ministers who have resigned tonight, and look who has been promoted, Penny Wong for gods sake.

        Commenter
        thepres
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:10PM
      • You've been asleep for the last 3 years. With voters like you we have the political parties we deserve. Wake up!

        Commenter
        Peter
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:14PM
    • Bob Katter for PM. The only one who is honest.

      Commenter
      X
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:37PM
    • Its a strange day indeed when the world's best treasurer has to resign. But that's Australian politics.

      Commenter
      peter
      Location
      vietnam
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:34PM
      • Tell me that comment was dripping in irony...

        Commenter
        What???
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:21PM
    • The media have finally managed to get rid of Julia Gillard. Now we have useless Kevin Rudd back. What a choice Useless Rudd and hopeless Abbott. Thanks a lot media, thanks for nothing.

      Commenter
      Dianamc
      Location
      Lismore
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:34PM
    • Same party, same policies so when the next leader change. How long will Rudd last this time?

      Commenter
      Mal
      Location
      Cranbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:33PM
    • Good on you Julia Gillard, firstly for getting to the position you held with dignity and secondly for having the courage to get out of bed every day and to face the misogynist, not only from the Liberal party but from behind your back from your own party because you are a woman. It has been thrown at you day in day out from the media. It has been disgraceful, never has a Prime Minister had to endure such disrespect. Now we know who the 57 backstabbing destabilizers are and how we have forgotten the ego the control freak and the suk that Rudd became. God bless our country under Abbott because Abbott won't. A sad day for Australian politics, We are try to stamp out bullying but see it every day from those who lead us in Canberra do as i say attitude

      Commenter
      david
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:32PM
      • maybe everyone vilifies her because of HOW she became prime minister, Not because she is A female. I am a female and i was truly disgusted on how she came to be the prime minister. Anyone who is willing step on others to get ahead Loses all my respect and should be ashamed of themselves. Don't care if you are a man, female.

        Commenter
        Reason040
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:36PM
      • Anyone that would have voted for Gillard was voting with their heart, anyone voting for Rudd with their conscience, and anyone for Abbott with their brain !!!

        Commenter
        RAM
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:37PM
      • Thank you David.

        Commenter
        DIDI K
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:00PM
    • Fantastic news, people will start listening to Rudd. Our family will indeed vote for Labor again. Especially with Kevin backing gay marriage. 30 votes from our family Kevin!
      Thank you Julia Gillard for tireless work on Gonski too, glad it passed the senate-a very positive way to finish.

      Commenter
      You have our votes Kevin
      Location
      Mt Dandenong
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:31PM
      • He sure doesn't have mine!

        Commenter
        over_it
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:45PM
      • Or mine, and I am gay,...I believe in voting for whats right for the country,.. not me, the fact that I have a mortgage with my partner, that's my marriage certificate.To vote for someone on one issue is so typical of the selfishness that has struck Labor and its party, and the gay community.

        Commenter
        Martin Says
        Location
        Canberra
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:07PM
    • My parting final shot for this night of farce. Thank you Julia Gillard, from the bottom of my heart for calling up the Royal Commission into clergy sexual abuse of we poor children.

      May you be blessed forever, for doing that which others welched out on. Thank You.

      Commenter
      5612
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:30PM
      • I am so glad that she has done so much for so many people like yourself.

        I am so sad she can't finish all the work .

        Commenter
        DIDI K
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:02PM
    • Can we all now just get back to liking each other a bit more? The hatred has to stop. I was brought up on 'play up, play up and play the game'.

      It is about Australia! Not a party.

      Commenter
      tp
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:29PM
    • Well Kevin "787" ( where am I in the world today?) has shown just how much the truth matters to politicians. Never challenge? Hmmmmm.....not under any circumstance...hmmmm. After telling so many porkies can he ever be trusted. Now we are back to no substance proclamations for the news cycle, endless international travel at our expense and "prima donna" tantrums. Funny to see the rabble trying to save their own necks come election time by backing him. Kevin must be very smug at giving it to Julia who knifed him in the back. Sweet revenge no doubt, but is this anyway to give hope or make the electorate believe you are fit for the job.

      Commenter
      brazul
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:28PM
    • I would like to point out that he is the leader of the Labor party , not prime minister yet.

      Commenter
      DIDI K
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:27PM
    • O Malcolm, Malcolm! Wherefore art thou Malcolm? Deny thy leader - become the leader!...and I will no longer be a Labor voter...

      Commenter
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:25PM
      • plus one

        Commenter
        over_it
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:50PM
    • (To the tune of Gloria Gaynor’s I will survive…)

      Hi, my name is Kevin, and I’m back again
      My foes they tried to kneecap me politically, in vain
      They insulted my integrity, and boy they did me wrong
      But I have seen it through, and return in full song

      Yes, I am Kevin, I’m almost in Heaven
      I have listened to the people, for whom I’ve always striven
      I suppose I took a dive, but now I’m thoroughly revived
      They’ll be no retribution, I need everyone alive

      I’m feeling terrific, that is a given
      Your brains will no longer feel like in two they have been riven
      I will moderate my progammatic specificity
      I’ve humbly learnt my lesson ‘bout consensuality

      Now it’s on to fight the reeking spectre of the Coalition
      We’ve now a chance to block diabolical solutions
      It’s time to shake the sauce bottle for everything it’s worth
      And restore our faith in politics, of which there is a dearth.

      Commenter
      Homo Politicanus
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:24PM
      • Wow

        Too much time alone in your room!

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:31PM
      • Why, Mr Cypher, it was a trifle
        Public debate you will agree at all costs we must not stifle
        I could rattle on for days
        While feeding all the strays
        And even head out for a ride on my dependable bicycle...

        Commenter
        Homo Politicanus
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:43PM
      • Awesome ditty of specificity.

        Commenter
        brad
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:32PM
    • what a shame, I was really proud of Julia Gillard as our as our pm. Could never fathom the backlash against her when the country is doing so well. Thanks for the last three years and two days Julia! I'm sure they'll be looked back on as good years!

      Commenter
      julia supporter
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:24PM
    • Thanks Julia for being a great PM you have a left a fantastic legacy, and left the country in a great way. You had great vision but unfort due to a negative and pitiful opposition with no vision of their own and a right wing media you were always pushing up hill . One can only hope Kevin can live up to being a great PM like yourself.

      Commenter
      Graham
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:24PM
    • Soooo Labor wants me to vote ALP because their good at knifing their their leaders in the back? I don't think so. I'll be voting Abbott thank you very much.

      Commenter
      MyVoteCounts
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:23PM
    • I fear for my daughters in this country. In terms of journalism what is the difference between Pravda and Fairfax and News LTD. The ABC will have to research some stories now. What a sad country we have become. And no I am not an ALP voter (anymore) even before this.

      Commenter
      Jenni
      Location
      camberwell
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:23PM
    • First female Prime Minister of Australia..... .. ousted for no actual decent reason by men. No proof that any other politician had ANY different policies to hers, what so ever, let alone had any policies, at all..... all so the suits that run the media and therefore the country, can all sleep easy tonight. Officially abandoning politics. Thanks to the media's absolute bullying and hatred, funded by mining... our first female, Atheist, global-warming & pollution conscious prime minister, is retiring at 51. There is absolutely zero proof that any other leader would have done ANYTHING differently, let alone anything, at all. So, it's official. I'm retiring from following politics at 25. Over & out from me on politics entirely.

      Commenter
      RallyKatt
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:23PM
      • My book of inane excuses has a couple of spare pages.

        They're yours.

        Just ask.

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:34PM
      • First female Prime Minister she may be, directly elected by the people she was not, Rallykatt.

        Commenter
        VotePolicyNotPeople
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:37PM
      • Equally, a male prime minister was outed by a woman for no real reason. Stupid comment, RallyKatt. Keep your false, constructed sexism to yourself.

        Commenter
        The Badger
        Location
        Newcastle
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:41PM
      • Votepolicynotpeople - sorry, but the prime minister was appointed to that office by the GG with the confidence of the lower house of parliament (which is the body that elects our PM) following the 2010 election. Despite much huffing and puffing from Tony Abbott the lower house has never withdrawn its confidence in the PM. Maybe its time you learned how our political system actually works instead of just mouthing off ignorantly.

        Commenter
        dave
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:49PM
      • no system is perfect dave. The fact is that the people didn't vote for jules, they voted for their local members. a couple of the independents stabbed their constituents in the back by going against what they wanted and are now weasling off before facing the music. she's gone - received in kind what she did to Kev. don't like either much good riddance.

        Commenter
        ke sera sera
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:29PM
    • It's still the same no economic policy team behind KRudd. Labor is finished.

      Commenter
      Wiseguy
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:23PM
    • Fundamentally I've always voted labor and liked their ideals. Now that KRudd has been voted back I just can't see myself voting for a party that deals with so much INTERNAL instability. For once I'm voting liberals which is a shame. Who's with me? "Fool me once..."

      Commenter
      canttrustlaboranymore
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:22PM
      • Yay !! Kevin !!

        Commenter
        sarajane
        Location
        melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:28PM
      • count me in

        Commenter
        Alan11
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:29PM
      • Then you're bigger fool. Shame on you.

        Commenter
        All for One
        Location
        Canberra
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:31PM
      • There are more than two parties to choose from you know

        Commenter
        bt
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:31PM
      • Just to remind everyone that it was once Kevin Rudd who led the Labor Party and won the hearts of the people, hence then the ousting of the Howard government. It was his charisma and his story telling campaign style not the "politicking of the Gillard camp" that put Labor in government. Shame to Julia who acted in the name of politics rather than what is good for this country and upholding the ideals of the Labor Party that she belongs to. It is rather sad.

        Commenter
        Pinoy
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:42PM
    • KRudd will just be keeping the seat warm for little Billy Shorten anyway.

      Can't wait to see the LNP ads showing "glowing" endorsements of KRudd from such erudite people as Wayne Swan.

      Let's see if those Gillard Minister's who vowed to resign their commissions will do so or will they be too attached to the perks of a Minister

      Commenter
      MVF
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:22PM
    • I'm sure I am one of the 100s of 1000's of people, who don't know how we will vote now. I can no longer call myself a rusted on Labor voter that's for sure. Don't take heart Abbott, you won't be getting my vote!
      Another hung Parliament maybe.

      Commenter
      Comfortable
      Location
      Kruddland
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:21PM
      • I have always valued my vote, I really don't know what to do with it now. Wish we still had the democrats actually , pre Meg of course.

        Commenter
        DIDI K
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:05PM
    • Rudd being elected won't affect my vote at all - in fact it makes it even easier for me to vote Liberal for the first time in ages!

      Commenter
      canberra-ite
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:21PM
      • The ALP is now just the play thing of rich types like rudd - he has nothing better to do with his time than play with politics in Australia - get a real job rudd - but not in politics that impacts us all - ps I look forward to voting against you for your economic and border protection incompetence!!!

        Commenter
        Alan11
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:27PM
    • Did the whole just groan a heavy sigh of despondency?!!! Not rudd again - more debt on the way, no boat solution - good grief - bring on an EARLY election......

      Commenter
      Alan11
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:20PM
      • Good to see the trolls in action again!

        Commenter
        hobbit
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:28PM
    • Nooooo!

      Commenter
      Janie1
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:19PM
    • Looks like a difficult call for the GG given her daughter supports Gillard and son-in-law supports (for now) Rudd Given the likely problem with the House of Reps, she may well regret that she did not resign when her daughter married.

      Commenter
      Sinic
      Location
      Cessnock
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:19PM
    • Julia Gillard has achieved a great deal for the average Australian. Wish her well.

      At least now the party of the millionaires, the Coalition, will be in a real contest.

      Did not realise until tonight how negative Chis from 7.30 report is toward the ALP.
      Thought the ABC was supposed to be independent!

      Commenter
      Rod
      Location
      the Coast
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:18PM
    • Well played, Bill.

      Commenter
      Waltzing Matilda
      Location
      Werribee
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:18PM
      • Sing a song of sixpence
        A pocket full of rye
        Four and twenty blackbirds
        Baked in a pie

        Billy the Pieman Shorten
        Well played indeed

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:47PM
    • Conroy gone!!! As an IT specialist I an going to crack as bottle of Moet and enjoy the return of freedom for our internet!

      Commenter
      Art
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:16PM
    • Wait for it.

      Kevin sabotaged me
      Sexist, misogynist, blue tie wearing men waged a campaign of negativity against me.
      A male person stole the jokers out of moi deck.

      But she dealt on. So many cards played.

      The disappointment is the voters didn't get a chance to toss her out.

      We'll have to make do with Kevin

      Commenter
      Louis Cypher
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:16PM
    • The behavour of the ALP is a disgrace. It is an affront to people that voted for the ALP. I can't tolerate Tony Abbott and the ALP has left no political alternative because of their appalling actions.

      Commenter
      tafster
      Location
      Wangaratta South
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:15PM
      • You can't tolerate Abbott and you can tolerate Gillard and Rudd? Then the problem is you and not him.

        Commenter
        Martin
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:23PM
    • A win Machiavelli would be proud of!

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:15PM
      • Too true. Sadly.

        Commenter
        Kipper
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:26PM
    • Yeah, yeah, yeah, but who will win the origin game tonight??!?

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:14PM
    • RUDDICULOUS!!!
      Labour looks like a dog chasing it's tail round & round in circles, so embarrassing...Why weren't they looking toward someone new if Julia wasn't the person to lead our country into the future. Bill Shorten, why didn't you put your hand up instead of jumping ship on Julia. Offer an alternative, stand up as a leader. The Labour Party did not want to follow this man, why should we look to him as our Priminister. Good luck Tony Abbott, let's hope the working class of Australia have a real look at what's on offer, not just a popularity contest.
      WE DON'T NEED A DICTATOR!!!

      Commenter
      the fox
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:14PM
    • I suppose anyone would be better than Abbott and his mottley crew.

      Commenter
      blanik`
      Location
      Northern Victoria
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:13PM
      • Yes I agree. Anyone is better then Abbott except the ALP.

        Commenter
        Martin
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:25PM
    • ABC is apparently in mourning!!

      Commenter
      Jojo
      Location
      Gladstone
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:11PM
      • No doubt Fairfax will be too :)

        Commenter
        Jack Black
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:17PM
    • Good. So now we know who we're going to smash at the next election!

      Commenter
      Pete1
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:10PM
    • Good Time for the Liberals to get rid of Abbott

      Commenter
      Paul B
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:09PM
    • Well this is an interesting change. I most certainly will not vote Abott. For me it's only a choice between Labour or the Greens

      Commenter
      Steven
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:09PM
      • More fool you. A foot in each camp.

        Commenter
        Catter1955
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:26PM
      • That is no choice.
        A vote for Greens is a vote for Labor.
        Unless you direct your preference to the LNP.
        Where is your choice?

        Commenter
        Hanging Judge Jeffries
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:45PM
    • Julia and ministers you did good work under difficult circumstances. Be proud of your contributions on NDIS, Gonski, carbon tax etc. I don't like or trust Rudd.

      Commenter
      Over40Female
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:08PM
      • I'm very sad tonight because there's no way I can support Labor under Rudd. What a horrible, disloyal and smug man he is. Congratulations Julia for doing such a great job.

        Commenter
        Susan129
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:19PM
      • I trust the professional public servants and lobbyists who have worked with governments of different stripes over many years.. They said Rudd was impossible to work with - and all the ones I know are dedicted workaholics. I am fearful of Rudd being in power again and cannot vote in any way that gives him power as Prime Minister.

        Commenter
        RoseFrances
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:57PM
    • Julia Gillard will be treated far more kindly by history than she has by her contemporaries. Some significant reforms have been initiated under her leadership. The economy has rolled along reasonably well while the rest of the world has been in a rut. I hope Rudd has the decency to acknowledge all that.

      Having said that she had simply lost all traction. If Rudd's leadership turns that around and heads off, or at least mitigates, the horrors of an Abbott plague, then so be it. I just hope he's learnt a bit about how to manage a cabinet. (Here's a hint, Kev: give Bob H. a call. He's pretty good at that sort of thing.)

      Commenter
      Redsaunase Rudd has the
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:08PM
    • Kevin and Julia should have been a great combination. Two intelligent people running the show. This is all so sad. So much of a waste.

      Commenter
      gregmcph
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:07PM
      • Well said. They did such a great job removing the Pacific Solution together. Such a shame they had to be separated - Julia only managed to damage the country half as much on her own.

        Commenter
        Malik the magic sheep
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:17PM
    • well if rudd can get back can we bring merv hughes back for the ashes test

      Commenter
      thedoctor46
      Location
      wonthaggi
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:07PM
    • It has been said that recycling is a must for the sustainability of our resources.

      Commenter
      Mariedrn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:07PM
    • "Mr Hayes says it took so long because "we counted the votes one by one"."

      Rather than two by two ? Jeeez!

      I'm sure there's a Noah's Arc joke in there somewhere.

      Commenter
      Ollie
      Location
      Thailand
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:07PM
    • Never thought I'd say this.....I hope Abbott wipes the floor with Rudd and his cronies. Bad luck Ms Gillard - you've been royally shafted. I've never voted for the Coalition and now is not the time to start but an informal is looking good.

      Commenter
      Treechanger
      Location
      Coonabarabran
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:06PM
    • The return of the king....K Rudd our one true Leader.

      Commenter
      Rudd_Camp
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:06PM
    • Thank you Stephanie for a brilliant coverage : )

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      The Land of Rudd
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:06PM
    • DING DONG!

      Queensland's got back its GONG!

      Goes to show knifing people in the back s no the way to go about politics and that listening to the the consensus of the general population instead of factions is the way to go.

      After this election Queensland may just get its funding back where it belongs!

      DING DONG!

      Commenter
      Noogie
      Location
      Bundy
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:06PM
      • Awesome! : )

        Commenter
        Sharron
        Location
        The Land of Rudd
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:13PM
    • Three cheers for Prime Minister Kevin Rudd!!

      Hurry up and pack your bags gillard, PM Rudd needs his office back.

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      The Land of Rudd
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:05PM
      • You forget that Gillard gave Rudd quite a bit of time to leave when he was voted out by the Caucus, very soundly voted out I might add. You obviously have a very short memory and now you are about to be reminded what an absolute dud Rudd was as PM and no, leopards do not change their spots. The man is a disaster for this country.

        Commenter
        Kerry
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:27PM
      • A very gracious speech from Julia. Yet again she demonstrates what a better person she was for the job than Rudd will ever hope to be.

        Commenter
        Kerry
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:29PM
    • Vale Julia- she fought hard and - with a hung parliament - achieved a lot.
      Whatever one thinks of her as Prime Minister or politician, the constant vilification of her as a woman was appalling. It suggests underlying misogyny in the media if not the public.

      Commenter
      byron twain
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:05PM
      • Agree totally Australia demonstrates its social immaturity. Chauvinism runs strong and deep!

        Commenter
        JJ
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:15PM
      • maybe everyone vilifies her because of HOW she became prime minister, Not because she is A female. I am a female and i was truly disgusted on how she came to be the prime minister. Anyone who is willing step on others to get ahead Loses all my respect and should be ashamed of themselves.

        Commenter
        Reason4
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:30PM
      • Again with the gender card ... Gillard was a POOR politician. Lacked integrity, credibility and divided the population. She was never able to convince the electorate to trust her and that has NOTHING to do with her being a woman.

        Commenter
        Sithra
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:28PM
    • Here comes big Australia, do i hear 50 million, 60 million, going, going , gone!

      Commenter
      Damian Jones
      Location
      Mount Victoria
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:05PM
      • Don't be so melodramatic. Labor has to win the next election before we can take in 25 million people from Asia in the next three years.

        Commenter
        Malik the magic sheep
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:12PM
      • No Damien we are all going to Equador for political asylum

        Commenter
        BarbC
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:50PM
      • Dammie and Malik, wouldn't like to grace us with a fact or two to support your rants, would you?

        Commenter
        getreal
        Location
        cloud10
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:03PM
    • There goes the Cabinet

      Wong? , Plibersek?, Emerson?

      Commenter
      Louis Cypher
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:04PM
    • No one wants Abbott no one wants Julia

      No one wants labor to govern
      No one want the LNP to Govern
      More people like Rudd then they like Julia

      Rudd will save the sorry ass of many in the labor party
      In the end he is a donkey
      Abbott is no better
      We roll the dice and it comes up craps

      Commenter
      tomcat
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:04PM
    • Um, we saw 3 years of Rudd at his best, before he starts, can someone explain the term 'surplus' to him?

      Commenter
      Ship
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:04PM
    • I give up. If Louise Pratt didn't vote, how can it be 57-45?

      Commenter
      Slayne
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:03PM
    • Oh Julia. You gave it a bloody good shot. Shame on the people who heaped misogyny and sexism upon you. This country isn't culturally sophisticated enough to appreciate your gender, your economic results, let alone your knitting.

      Commenter
      kashenka
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:03PM
      • Hilarious.
        The irony is beautiful.

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:07PM
    • Petulant leaker for PM!

      Commenter
      That's PM Misery Guts to you!
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:03PM
    • and now we search for a "legacy"

      Commenter
      Louis Cypher
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:02PM
    • Labor is fooling us again
      The guys who support Kevin now will bring some other leader if labor wins election. Truth is labor is being controlled by same folks now as of before.

      Commenter
      fm
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:02PM
    • A tragedy. How can this man possibly be trusted by anyone? He as orchestrated the divisiveness and poison that is now the Labor Party and be it on his head that we are likely end up with an Abbott government. Shame on all those who deserted Gillard now when you had a chance to get rid of Rudd for ever. People will now see what Rudd was as a PM and recall why he was dumped in the first place. He was about to lose in 2010. This is one of the most shameful episodes in ALP history.

      Commenter
      Kerry
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:02PM
    • Dysfunctional Kev prevails.

      A "leader" loathed by his party

      Self interest prevails.

      Commenter
      Louis Cypher
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:01PM
    • Its taken 3 years, but a wrong has finally been righted. Labor may lose the election, but hopefully they'll put the disgrace of Gillard's betrayal behind them. (Still find it pathetic all their bleating over the years of Rudd 'destabilizing' considering how she got into power)

      Commenter
      Akeashar
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 8:00PM
      • Are you serious!!!! She didn't get rid of Rudd all on her on you know and why was he so roundly beaten in the challenge he first made. Rudd has no loyalty to anybody but himself. He has sabotaged the Gillard Government from the start, nothing to be proud of there. Yes he will be popular for about five minutes until people start remembering exactly why he was dumped in the first place, just before he was about to lose the 2010 election. He is the one who has stopped the political debate being about policies, making sure it has always been focused on this ridiculous rivalry. Whatever anyone thinks of Gillard, she has at least treated Rudd far more graciously than she has been treated.

        Commenter
        Kerry
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:11PM
    • Great - now there is no one to vote for - hope I have a good local independent candidate.

      Commenter
      Rational Thinker
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:59PM
    • Great now we get to see Rudds ego and nil action

      Commenter
      The Not-So-Magic Roundabout
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:58PM
    • Julia is Gonski!!

      Commenter
      Jojo
      Location
      Gladstone
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:56PM
    • Andrew Denton to take over Julia's old seat?

      Commenter
      Bob from Ballarat
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:55PM
    • please please pleaaaaassssseeee

      let it be Kevin.

      But I don't actually think for a moment revenge came into it.

      Kevin has always made it clear he would do what was best for labor. And that's exactly what he's doing.

      The polls dropped after each challenge because the public was disappointing to still have Julia.

      She didn't come back from Indonesia with any good news. Which she should have.

      She hasn't pushed to solve the refugee problems, and she hasn't pushed for sole parents who now live in poverty.

      She hasn't pushed for those in greatest need. Which is what a leader is required to do.

      If she hasn't got their backs, nobody has.

      It's time to move over.

      pleeeaaassseee let it be Kev

      Commenter
      sarajane
      Location
      m
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:55PM
      • Sarajane you are deluded if you think for 1 moment this has nothing to do with his ego. Apparently we get what we vote for. On both sides of the political divide we are bereft of leadership. Says a fair bit about us as a country currently...

        Commenter
        Disgrave
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:09PM
    • I am usually the sensible person who does look at the big picture. I genuinely believe it is should not be about personality. But I could not ever vote for a person like Kevin Rudd. I also believe equally strongly that Kevin Rudd is a disaster for Australia. He will quite possibly be worse than Abbott. He goes that step further than Abbott , he will sell his arse and ours as well !! Australia will get the government it deserves tragically.

      Commenter
      DIDI K
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:54PM
      • You obviously don't look at the big picture in fact.

        Commenter
        Christo
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:09PM
    • They should be screening the Senate sitting. All top rating shows have been canned in favour of a media talk fest anyway. One wonders if this has all been orchastrated to give our bored political reporters something to do.

      Commenter
      Sonja, NSW
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:53PM
    • Well the Labor party will lose our votes if Rudd gets in - if the idiots supposedly running the party actually promoted the government's achievements as they should have the other idiots of Australia might just have taken some notice and seen Abbott and the LNP for what they are - even bigger idiots than you lot seem to be...

      Commenter
      Jules (cynic in residence)
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:53PM
    • Whether ALP wins the coming election or not iis not important, but the true democracy for this country is more important. Simply becuase the current MP is the result of the politics within ALP while Mr. Rudd was the democratic result of the whole country in 2009. So give him a go after coming back from China.

      Commenter
      Jimmygan
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:49PM
      • If you can't understand how our political system works. you've got NO business voting.

        Commenter
        Unelectedmybutt
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:53PM
    • Remember my feverish press chickens in the foul yard.....TONY ONLY STABBED MALCOLM BY .....1 VOTE.....Uhm....

      Commenter
      5612
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:49PM
    • Now we can have a real fight between Rudd and Turnbull..

      K-rudd vs T-bull

      Let's ready to rummmmmmblllle!

      Commenter
      Mr Otto
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:48PM
    • Who cares.... its like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic

      Commenter
      poontanger
      Location
      perdition
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:46PM
    • NEWSFLASH: LABOR PARTY REARRANGING THE DECKCHAIRS ON THE TITANIC, ALL LIFEBOATS FULLY USED!

      Commenter
      DAVE
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:46PM
    • I have voted labour since Gough. I will rather not vote than vote for Rudd. Julia has done a great job what a rotten way to treat her it is no wonder good people do not want to go into politics.

      Commenter
      MCL
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:44PM
      • I wasn't aware of any political party in Australia with the name "LaboUr"

        Commenter
        Mike
        Location
        Taree
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:57PM
      • +1

        Commenter
        MikeS
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:13PM
      • I agree... Julia has done an amazing under horrendous circumstances. I can not possibly vote for either Rudd or Abbott. Kevin said this what us good people of Australia want???!!!! HELLO! I definitely DON'T want this. I think I just my fine than to vote. Who's running the Greens surely they'll be a better option. Perhaps Pauline (may be not she's just Abbott in pretty make up) a very sad day for us all

        Commenter
        Palito
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:42PM
    • Well, The Age, you've got what you wanted. Apparently journalism is synonymous with reporting leaks from self-interested parties. I'd say shame, but you have none.

      Maybe Mr. Murdoch will employ you, but maybe not. The Age will soon die in any case. Good riddance.

      This has been a good government, well run, with an impressive amount of good legislation passed. But you wouldn't know it because the MSN has taken it upon itself to report leadership speculation and pools instead of policy.

      I hope you so called journalists suffer for your callous disregard for ethics.

      Commenter
      Brian E
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:44PM
      • +2.

        Commenter
        Shameless Age.
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:50PM
      • A good Government? Here's one graph that suggests otherwise. Billions of dollars have needed to be diverted to a problem that was solved. That's billions that could have gone to schools and hospitals.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BoatArrivals.gif

        Commenter
        Well, Actually
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:51PM
      • +3, the Age appears to have reinvented itself as the AFL daily record + nothing else of substance. We already have the Hun. The Age is as doomed as Julia.

        Commenter
        Bazza
        Location
        Richmond
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:02PM
      • Yeah, and thanks to Julia the path is clear for ABBOTT !!!

        Julia brought this on herself.

        Commenter
        sarajane
        Location
        melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:03PM
      • Couldn't agree more...Labor's implosion can be blamed on a biased, puppet press. Reading/hearing/watching the news is like being force-fed a "liberal" diet of toxious Tory sloganeering.

        Commenter
        MikeS
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:20PM
      • +5

        Commenter
        JGforPM
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:04PM
    • Wow with friends like Shorten who would need enemies. What a turncoat. The Media have crucifies Gillard ever since the day she became PM. Never has a PM in Australia been criticised on a daily basis by the media. Didn't Howard say he would not introduce a GST? However he was never labelled a liar when he did so after the election. Its ok for libs to change their minds but not Gillard it seems.The meia has hardly EVER mentioned the good things that labour led by Gillard has achieved under very hard opposition.but just seems to focus on everything negative. Auistraliand do not know how well they are off and have just become a nation of whingers

      Commenter
      pharlap31
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:44PM
    • Isn't life exciting when LaboUr is in.....feverish press chickens stampeding around the Canberra foul yard.

      So bloody boring when the Libs are there. We should be able to make a five year soapie outa this ...Julia/Kevin/Tony faces life...episode 34,987......

      Commenter
      5612
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:43PM
    • Is a grainy skype video the very best technology one of our leading news websites can provide?

      Commenter
      Sydney
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:43PM
    • Got to hand it to Rudd. He is great at the game of politics. But he makes a terrible politician.

      Commenter
      Mick
      Location
      London
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:41PM
    • The sad fact is that the country is bereft of quality politicians - on both sides of the political spectrum! We have had good policy enacted over the past three years but it has been sold terribly. Abbott will come in and attempt to undo what he can with damaging consequences. Just watch what happens to Liberal harmony once they get in with such a big unwieldily majority!

      Commenter
      North Shore
      Location
      St Ives
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:41PM
      • Hey may have meant sinning. It sunk long ago and sinning certainly sums up Labors governance of our economy.

        Commenter
        Ship
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:33PM
    • Well done Rudd.

      Now get your stuff together over the next 6 or so weeks and get the A team off the bench and tell me what you are going to do.

      I may just vote for you.

      Commenter
      Opinion Only
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:29PM
    • Kevin's wearing a blue tie ...
      It's a sign

      Commenter
      Sithra
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:26PM
    • Rudd Vs Turnbull here we come.....

      Commenter
      FrankM
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:26PM
      • I like your thinkin'. Turnbull is more popular than Abbott and this may just scare the LNP into finding an inspirational leader.

        Commenter
        Canoath
        Location
        The 'gong
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:38PM
      • The recall of Turnbull would signal the end of the horrendous negative carping which will forever sully the memory of Abbott. We might even have some political debate for a change!

        Commenter
        John
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:50PM
    • Watch your back, Kevin. Shorten will shorten your tenure, for sure.

      Commenter
      5612
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:25PM
      • My forecast for part of Julia's valedictory speech:

        "..well may we say God Save the Queen because nothing will save the Governor General's Son-in-Law!"

        Commenter
        Coll Kurtz
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:43PM
    • All I want is my super-fast NBN :(

      Commenter
      joj
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:22PM
      • And red underpants on your head? Seriously, all I want is a Ferrari, but I don't expect the government to buy it for me (and all my neighbours too). Living on borrowed money is not healthy for your future..

        Commenter
        Art
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:48PM
      • Art
        NBN is the 21st century infrastructure. We all need it now.

        Commenter
        jimbil
        Location
        outer east
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:13PM
    • This is soooo exciting. Like a grand final

      Commenter
      micko
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:21PM
    • I hope Costello/Turnbull win tonight

      Commenter
      Bring back the biff
      Location
      Vic
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:17PM
    • Is this the episode of Game of Thrones where the main characters are betrayed and lead to their slaughter? I hope so. Tyrion Lannister for PM.

      Commenter
      Polytitian
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:16PM
    • Care little about this, unlike some playing in the sandpit. I bet you peeps just peeded a bit. lol

      Commenter
      Battler
      Location
      1/4 acre
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:14PM
    • I cannot believe the Labour Party are doing this. If there was ever a reason I would not vote labour this is it. Julia has delivered for the party and this country during a period of unrivalled economic crisis all the while sycophant Rudd has done his very best to undermine the party at every opportunity. Shame on you all. Abbott will be the next leader of our country... Heaven help us!

      Commenter
      Far from impressed
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:11PM
    • Is Malcolm still in the middle?

      Commenter
      Mr Otto
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:11PM
    • Wayne Swan, Craig Emerson, Kate Lundy, Joe Ludwig, Kate Ellis

      Resignations coming - especially do nothing Lundy all she ever does is act as lap dog to gillard.

      Commenter
      Best fun since whitlams sacking
      Location
      Aussie in france
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:09PM
      • Yeeeee Haaaaaaa!!!!!

        Commenter
        Tim of Altona
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:43PM
    • Generated by the media and driven by bogan classes, the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd circus is proof that good luck, proximity to China and an abundance of natural resources trumps intelligence any day of the week. What a waste of a good continent you people are!

      Commenter
      Uralldumb
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:08PM
    • Shorten should harden up and throw his own hat in the ring instead of continuing with this farce

      Commenter
      Ailie
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:07PM
    • What time is the last flight to Scotland tonight ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:06PM
      • I heard he's headed for the airport to make his getaway

        Commenter
        Tim of Altona
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:46PM
    • This government is a joke! They just keep passing the baton between themselves, while the so called democratic Australians have no vote??

      Commenter
      Ricci
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:06PM
    • What a disgrace, Kevin Rudd is probably about to be rewarded for white anting the Labor party for the past few years. His leaks and constant challenges have been a distraction to the message of the party which in my opinion has achieved so much. He has handed over Government to Abbott. Julia Gillard should hold her head high, she's the only statesman in the Parliament.

      Commenter
      Girlinthehills
      Location
      Gippsland
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:06PM
    • So what happened to 'will not challenge for the leadership again'?

      Can see what his word is worth.

      Commenter
      Enough of Kev
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:05PM
    • knit one, pearl two and cast off Jules

      Commenter
      charaku
      Location
      sapporo
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:05PM
    • Generated by the media and driven by bogan classes, the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd circus is proof that good luck, proximity to China and an abundance of natural resources trumps intelligence any day of the week. What a waste of a good continent you people are!

      Commenter
      Uralldumb
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:04PM
    • Gillard has been an excellent PM. Anyone who looks at her work objectively, with scientific rigour, can see that. However she is unelectable through a very clever, pernicious campaign by Tony Abbott. He has managed to generate a mythological narrative of a dysfunctional government that has achieved nothing. History will judge otherwise. The only chance for us to avoid being cursed by an Abbott government is for Ms Gillard standing aside for the good of the party and the country. However she should not retire... I want her to break that promise.. as her expertise is still needed to get this country through the GFC.

      Kevin Rudd is excellent at approaching the public and explaining his own clear narrative.. it is time for Australia to hear his story.. which will sweep away the gloomy fogs and mists spuming from Tony Abbott and his cronies.

      Commenter
      Dr Mark
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:03PM
      • the only fog is in your appraisal. No wonder you have trouble seeing clearly.

        Commenter
        Fog light
        Location
        In the murk
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:15PM
      • She does not have any expertise in economy Australia survived GFC because Castello left coffers full and alp made them empty.she lost trust of electorate

        Commenter
        sedona
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:39PM
    • YAY Finally will get back into Politics!!

      Commenter
      stevenrpmorgan
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:02PM
    • So much fuss over who is to be the next leader of the opposition!

      Commenter
      Brian
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:01PM
    • Mr. Shorten morphs into the Vicar of Bray...

      Commenter
      Kenth
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:00PM
    • Great to see Shorten make the leap. Well done! Now just one more block to fall into place and we will have a real electoral contest on our hands. Fingers crossed that Labor can get it right this time.

      Commenter
      Altered
      Location
      Esperance
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:59PM
      • you have to be joking. honestly - bill shorten only this morning backed his priminister. may this day never be forgotten for when bill shorten takes the scalp of rudd as the next leader of labour. gutless at best, another media driven egomaniac labour party politician

        Commenter
        this is all too much
        Location
        geelong
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:31PM
    • Nice to see Shorten has now confirmed to the public he is two faced and cannot be trusted.

      Commenter
      farmer
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:57PM
    • For those who remember the Stainmaster Carpets ads with Pro Hart:

      "Oh Mr Rudd - what a mess!"

      I hope with all the bloodstains in there, that they've got those easy-clean carpets...

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:57PM
    • I hope they finish before the footy starts, we don't want that stuffed up too.

      Commenter
      DigiGuy
      Location
      BrisVegas
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:56PM
      • Comment of the day.

        Commenter
        Maddos
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:27PM
      • love it....Qld to a tee! No party needs to bother campaigning north of the border, they just need to buy a few hundred thousand bundy cans and hand em out and the election will be decided

        Commenter
        Jcash
        Location
        OLT
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:47PM
    • Go the 'Milky Bar Kid'. And the Blues.

      Commenter
      James
      Location
      Bray Park
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:56PM
      • Rudd is a cardboard cutout of the Milky Bar kid ..... Go QLD !

        Commenter
        The Not-So-Magic Roundabout
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:32PM
    • As I recall pigs can feed on their own.
      add that to the Animal Farm treatise & you have the short one's pan firmly fixed.
      same knife, different back.
      but Julia does not mind, she has achieved the debauch she intended

      Commenter
      SK Ared
      Location
      ACT
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:54PM
    • Soon we will be rid of Madame Lafarge

      Commenter
      Bob
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:54PM
    • I hope Gillard trounces him again

      Commenter
      Marg
      Location
      Brunswick
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:54PM
    • If Rudd gets up - standby for the Abbott v Turnbull show

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:53PM
    • If these are the only choices we have then the country is buggered. Surely there is somebody with half a brain who could run the country in the interests of the Australia.
      Why does it always come to a sneaky behind closed back stabbing stand off for a political party to decide leadership? Why do political leaders hang on to their leadership against the long term interests of the party and it's supporters? Surely Julia Gillard can see a huge defeat in the next election for the Labor Party if she persists in her quest to remain leader of the Australian Labor Party. What a pathetic self indulgent last stand, just fall on your sword gracefully.

      Commenter
      Paul b
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:53PM
    • Wow so they are getting rid of gillard as she is a woman!

      Commenter
      Stacey
      Location
      Lounge
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:53PM
      • No, they are getting rid of gillard because she is a blithering idiot. Unfortunately, the only person challenging is a blithering idiot. Hmmmmmmmm, must be sexism. Replacing a female blithering idiot with a male blithering idiot when they can both be equally good blithering idiots is pure sexism! Yep, they are getting rid of julia because she is a woman! You hit the nail (blithering idiot) on the head!

        Commenter
        Ship
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:50PM
    • Kev's big decision now is when to visit Yarralumla.

      Stay with September the 14th, go early, go later ?

      The polls will give him a bounce on Monday (special Newspoll and Nielsen). Might be tempting to go sooner rather than later, before reality sets in.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:50PM
      • Later.

        Commenter
        Malik the magic sheep
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:15PM
      • Rudd will go in August - while the ALP get a boost in the polls and no time for the Libs to change to Turnbull

        Commenter
        Tim of Altona
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:20PM
    • So Labor changes leaders, what changes, the same people making ministerial decisions and policys. same idiot decisions will be made. Boats will still come at an increasing rate. Just goes to show that people can be conned.

      Commenter
      Mal
      Location
      Cranbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:50PM
      • Oh yes Mal, the boats. That's the biggest issue by far. Thank you so much for your informed and relevant comment.

        Commenter
        Citizen N
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:12PM
      • Yes the first question he should be asked as the new leader of ALP is how he will stop the boatpeople.

        Commenter
        Dr B S Goh
        Location
        Australian in Asia
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:19PM
      • True, the boats, boat people deaths and the $3.5 billion a year it wastes is a small ALP stuff up. It's the $270 billion plus we are in debt and the $12 billion a year interest bill we really want to see fixed. That's the ALP's biggest stuff up!

        Commenter
        Ship
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:28PM
      • Cit, Well $14 billion of our money for the next 4 years if no improvement is seen for a policy stuff up is a significant cost to impose on Australia. Then add another $48 billion for the debt interest bill over the next 4 years. Gee, that an awful lot we have earn before we earn money for Australia. Then add all the $billions that will go overseas when they can buy their carbon credits overseas. I hope you enjoy working for next to nothing

        Commenter
        Mal
        Location
        Cranbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:25PM
    • So after this leadership spill, will the AGE QUIT playing politics as well?

      Commenter
      Enough is enough
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:49PM
    • Await the Gillard concession speech

      The list of "those who are to blame" will be stretch from here to eternity

      Commenter
      Louis Cypher
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:48PM
      • Good point Louis you devil.

        Oh well, a knitting career might be an option. The speaker circuit might not.

        Commenter
        Hacka
        Location
        Canberra
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:08PM
      • McTernan is furiously writing it now

        Commenter
        Tim of Altona
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:09PM
      • No I think she has set herself up for a speaking career for women's rights. After all that has been her fallback for a while now

        Commenter
        panda
        Location
        perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:19PM
      • So if Gillard loses, what happens to McTernan's 457 visa? How soon will he be back in Britain?

        Commenter
        Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:26PM
    • Shorten, whatever it takes....completely untrustworthy and devoid of any personal principles. Abbott cleans up his second sitting PM - legend!!

      Commenter
      Observer
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:48PM
    • Tonight, Queensland Real Time, WIN TV News declared..wait fr it..stand by for a Great Big "Shock Announcement", a Great Big Shock Announcement predicted by every credible political journalist in the Australia.

      Commenter
      Geronimo
      Location
      Yippee Yi Yo
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:48PM
    • Shorten has just shown his true colours and has sealed the fate for Labor come September

      Commenter
      andyb4
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:47PM
    • holy moley, Shorten's done it. This is the end of Julia! People will breathe a great sigh of relief after tonight. After 3 long years, the nightmare is finally over. GG, send us to an early election!

      Commenter
      panda
      Location
      perth
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:46PM
      • Trolling without facts again I see.Careful, if he gets beaten you'll have to act like a grown up.

        Commenter
        Export Pandas
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:04PM
      • people.. us... we... speak or yourself, its not too late

        Commenter
        Peter Warrington
        Location
        marrickville
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:06PM
    • Mr Shorten for Rudd
      Mrs Shorten for Gillard
      Ms Shorten-in-law for Abbott and an early election?

      Commenter
      Marc
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:45PM
      • What a great point......Bill will be in the bad books at home....

        Commenter
        jackson
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:08PM
    • Shorten turns, supporting Rudd, now supporting whatever he says?

      Commenter
      timjackelton
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:44PM
    • Bill "the Pieman" leaving himself options for a career.
      Faceless?
      Faceoff

      Commenter
      Louis Cypher
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:42PM
      • Self preservation, Louis self preservation.

        Commenter
        Pen of hrba
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:52PM
    • Well Bill's flipped, which probably means Gillard's slipped.

      Gorneski.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:41PM
      • It's a shame. Just when the country had a shot at a decent future, the Libs will now have to contend with the braindead who believe Rudd is anything other than a puppet to the same people that ran JG.

        Commenter
        Malik the magic sheep
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:49PM
    • Shorten puts the knife in Julia

      Commenter
      Bob from Ballarat
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:39PM
      • whatd you expect from a man who cant live off $330k plus a year!! cookies!!

        Commenter
        Hornberger
        Location
        Singapore
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:39PM
    • anyone who believe the economy is in good shape they have there head where the sun don't shine or they are devoid of any intelligence,
      There are mine closing in W.A. every week at the moment in time.
      mainly because of the CARBON TAX and workers being paid extremmly hire rates of pay which are unstatanable
      This is also causing financial strain on the service companies supplying the mining industry so workers are being laid off
      all over the shop.

      Commenter
      yogi's mate wa
      Location
      perth
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:37PM
      • Abuse and scatological imagery are. No excuse for ignorance, dear boy. Have a look at the key economic indicators. They tell it all.

        Commenter
        Clive
        Location
        Manly West
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:49PM
      • Mines are closing but if you really think that of all the things happening in the world economy the Carbon Tax is to blame then perhaps you shouldn't be questioning the intelligence of others...

        Commenter
        MJ
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:50PM
      • ha ha - as a distributor, I asked my suppliers (when suggesting 'the carbon tax' made up a significant portion of their price increase) how much of a reduction in prices there would be with no carbon tax come September. None. They had to admit it had a piffling effect. It's just a whipping boy.

        Commenter
        bornagirl
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:54PM
      • Because of the carbon tax...........you, my friend, dont have a raving clue!

        Commenter
        Mark
        Location
        melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:55PM
    • Apologies to Sophie Ellis Bextor:

      "It's Murder in the Caucus Room,
      But you better not kill the vote,
      We're gonna burn this goddamn house right down."

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:37PM
    • Oh the irony. The ALP have two leaders and the Liberals have none.

      Commenter
      Staz
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:37PM
      • Do you call Rudd and Julia leaders...that is extremely funny.

        Commenter
        Adrian
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:05PM
      • Labor have now got three liars, Gillard, Rudd and Shorten.
        How can they let these 3 anyway near the treasury.

        Commenter
        thepres
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:31PM
    • Honestly, the ALP has the best hop of winning if Rudd is at the helm.

      He is much more popular than Gillard AND Abbott.

      Commenter
      Jim Moriarty
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:35PM
      • For about 5 minutes until people remember why his popularity plummeted in the first place.

        Commenter
        Kerry
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:29PM
    • Can't wait to hear Julia's concession speech

      Commenter
      panda
      Location
      perth
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:35PM
      • Gillard has achieved so much. I am very angry at the way she has been treated

        Commenter
        Marg
        Location
        Brunswick
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:56PM
      • Well done marg. You are are part of the 6% that still follow labor. Good for you

        Commenter
        Nickrivers
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:36PM
    • I am embarrassed to be an Australian right now.

      Commenter
      Ken
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:32PM
      • I was having a chat with a good mate last night about the dire state of discourse in Australian politics. It's embarrassing. This whole mess just reinforces it. I love Australia but out politics is bottom of the barrel. Living in the UK for a while now just makes the lack of quality policy debate in Australia even more stark.

        Commenter
        Mick
        Location
        London
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:50PM
      • Couldn't agree more. A government that is willing to die a thousand deaths rather than have K.Rudd as leader (must say something about the man surely) and the sudden turncoats that care only about their own survival - introducing Shorten - and wasn't he the one that orchestrated the whole 'get rid of Rudd in the first place?'. One thing is for certain, K.Rudd never forgives or forgets - he will knife Shorten at the first opportunity.

        Commenter
        Gem
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:53PM
      • UK politics?!?! You have got to be joking right??? Just do a Google search on scandals in UK parliament and educate yourself on our wonderful Westminster system... just make sure the kids aren't sitting next to you!

        Commenter
        back in black
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:58PM
      • You are 100%. The veteran election analyst Malcolm Mackerras said a few days ago tha K Rudd will have a short honeymoon but will lose the election for ALP because of the boatpeople crisis. To date 43,000 arrivals, 1000 deaths and coming in at 3000 plus a month. Pakistan is throwing out 1,600,000 Afghan refugees. USA will leave Afghanistan next year. Remember the hundreds of thousands of boatpeople refugees when Vietnam fell.We may get 500,000 to 1,000,000 boatpeople here within five years if we do not stop it now.

        Commenter
        Dr B S Goh
        Location
        Australian in Asia
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:32PM
    • They eat their own don't they? Or it seems that way ... it seems that Labor can't win, whaetever the outcome.

      If Julia wins, then Kev agrees to quit the game at the next election. Julia leads the Labor Party to face a very unhappy public and suffer an elction wipeout that relegates the party to the wilderness for years.

      If Kevin wins, then Jules agrees to quit the game at the next election. Kevin faces immediate upheavals in the party that need to be sorted out, might lose the support of Independents and right to govern, and willl still need to lead Labor to face an unhappy public. Labor will still lose, but by how much will depend on how much blood letting goes on.

      For once I am supporting Julia (yep !) ... only because it would mean that BOTH would be gone for good in 10 weeks time.

      Commenter
      FrankK
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:32PM
    • Shame they aren't both co-Prime Ministers. That way we could dispatch them both at the same time

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:30PM
    • Love him or hate him, Kevin is the only one who can prevent a massive victory for Tony Abbott.

      Commenter
      Peter
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:28PM
      • No he can't

        Await the attack ads.

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:44PM
    • Really! Do we have to be subjected to this circus. Whether it is Julia or Kevin, this ship is RUDDerless and unfortunately with the current crew in charge, the destination is still the Banana Republic. Can we all please change at the next port in September. Bring in Captain Abott or this boat is sunk

      Commenter
      Enoughalready
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:28PM
    • What a disgrace Labor is, and Rudd more so. So we may be saddled with recycled Rudd, AGAIN.
      Won't make any difference. Labor will be trashed anyway.

      Commenter
      Aum
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:27PM
      • Nothing wrong with recycling. Every individual should do it and many politicians have come back - many of them are considered the better for having done it. Menzies came back. 'Get with it' Australia this a major choice.

        Commenter
        RichardJ
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:59PM
    • So while Rudd breaks his word yet again. Gonski has just passed the senate !!

      That is called governing for the people Kevin . How dare you denigrate all the hard work that has been done!! You right royally stuffed it up when you had the chance !! You walked away from every thing important !!

      I can't understand how anyone could possibly believe you could do better when it is so obvious your revenge was more important to either the party or the country.

      Commenter
      DIDI K
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:27PM
      • Obviously Bill disagrees with you

        Commenter
        andyb4
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:49PM
      • Although I agree with you, the bigger picture needs to be looked at here. It is obvious that Labor will lose heavily under the leadership of Julia Gillard at the election. Politics in Australia is under the control of opinion polls, and the polls say the Labor might have a chance under Kevin Rudd (or at least stop the Coalition getting control of both Houses).

        The current government under Julia Gillard has managed to get an amazing amount of legislation passed, especially when you consider it is a hung parliament. The only problem is they have failed in selling it all. They have no control of the media, and whomever has the backing of the media wins.

        Even though Rudd failed before, he is popular. And popularity gets votes (and wins seats).

        Commenter
        sugardaddy
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:50PM
      • get over yourself will ya. Not everyone has kids and education isn't going to create jobs... This should have happened long ago.

        Commenter
        Floss
        Location
        Victoria
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:52PM
      • Well said Didi. He has hovered over Julia like a hungry vulture.

        Commenter
        cmac808
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:10PM
      • to sugardaddy, because you think seriously, . Firstly bad behaviour should never be rewarded. We aren't going to win anyway. We would be selling our principles , and for what ?????

        I really hope if Julia survives I hope she doesn't accept Bill Shortens resignation. While I am very angry with him he has just made a mistake We need him.

        Vulture is so appropriate !!

        Commenter
        DIDI K
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:19PM
      • Julia is that you? Shouldn't you be somewhere right now...

        Commenter
        Sherro
        Location
        Singapore
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:23PM
      • Remember when Gillard broke her word 3 years ago !!!!
        It's called karma
        It's good to see Kevin Rudd pay Gillard back

        Commenter
        Rick
        Location
        Melb
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:27PM
      • Wow What an amazing compliment !! Thank you !!

        Commenter
        DIDI K
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:27PM
      • Rudd saved Australia from the GFC with his brilliant action strategy. Haven't you noticed we're sliding into recession?
        How did Julia get there anyway? With blood on her hands?

        Commenter
        barbs of bentleigh east
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:30PM
      • +1

        Commenter
        Lmh
        Location
        canberra - wish I was somewhere else
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:37PM
      • Kevin is a liar obviously. So who wants to vote labour under Kevin? not me!!

        Commenter
        Di
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:42PM
      • The LNP under Abbott may be living in the late 19th Century but Labor are living in cloud-cuckoo-land. Politically and socially, Australia, we are in serious trouble

        Commenter
        Torch
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:52PM
      • I agree completely. . The ALP only lets women take charge after men have made a mess of things- see Joan Kirner, Anna Bligh and Lara Giddings. It offends me to see Rudd back-why reward him for 3 years of treachery and whiteanting? It is Julia Gillard who managed to negotiate the major reforms we have seen lately. I can't vote ALP after this, and won't vote for Abbott so I'll be looking out for decent independents of the calibre of Tony Windsor.

        Commenter
        Anina
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:05PM
      • @ DIDI K - spot on! Gillard might not have been "popular" - but after all that she's done how can anyone say she didn't do an amazing job for the country. Best leader we have had for such a long time.

        Commenter
        endof thecentury
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:07PM
      • DIDI K, I'm not pro Gillard or pro Rudd (both of them have blood on their hands), I am anti Abbott. The worst possible outcome for Labor is to get decimated at the election and have Abbott and Co rip Australia apart whilst being in opposition for 3+ terms.

        Whilst Labor might not win with Rudd, they will hopefully be able to provide the balance of power that will stop Abbott from ruining us.

        Commenter
        sugardaddy
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:20PM
      • So @Anina you are in the Warringah Electorate for you not to be voting for Abbott then? No chance of any independents in that ultra safe seat (unfortunately).

        Commenter
        sugardaddy
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 8:49PM
    • Way to go Kevin "Toxic to Labor" Rudd cares more for challenging for The Labor Leadership that he lost already then those in his local area?

      Commenter
      keith
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:26PM
    • This whole shambles is a perfect representation of the Labour Government all played out in 1 day! A couple of facts about the real world - Australia is losing money, Ford just closed, jobs overall are disappearing... the international markets are shot... and they're squabbling over who gets the talking stick! Just get us to September fast

      Commenter
      Ed
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:26PM
    • Time to celebrate by the end of today one of these liars will be gone forever!! Woohoo

      Commenter
      Genghis
      Location
      Lounge
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:25PM
    • I hope it's a dead heat and they both resign - toxic politics - trashing the nation - both of them.

      Commenter
      maz
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:24PM
      • You have hit the nail on the head. Both contestants for the ALP leadership are self centred, selfish people who put themselves first and the country last. Anyone who votes for individuals like these are fools who deserve the politicians they get.

        Commenter
        Reality Check
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:02PM
    • People need to realise that on election day, based on our system of politics, we vote for our local MP not for who should be PM. Our vote should be based on the quality of our local candidate, their achievements and the achievements of their party and the values their party stands for. Maybe I'm being naive but whether or not you like Julia or Kevin, your vote should be determined by the values and policies of the ALP v Lib/Nationals.

      Commenter
      Drew
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:24PM
      • Please, this is no time for rational comments.

        Commenter
        Penster
        Location
        Bondi
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:40PM
      • Years of exposure to US culture and Presidential races means this salient fact is lost on everyone except us 3 here.

        Commenter
        P.Nut
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:47PM
      • Or the greens or Katter or an independent, smarty pants. I would vote my local candidate in based in their leader just like many within the electorate. I don't even know who the labor candidate is in my electorte but they won't get my vote

        Commenter
        Llama Farma
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:49PM
      • Comment of the day. There are so many voters today who are ignorant as to how politics works in Australia.

        Commenter
        sugardaddy
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:52PM
      • most people don't even have a clue who their local member is or how they have performed......most voting is based on one party v's the other...

        Commenter
        paul
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:03PM
      • In just about any other job than Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd's original knifing would be a clear case of unfair dismissal. Fired without warning. Welcome back Kevin, justice is done.

        Commenter
        Unfair Dismissal
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:32PM
    • Does the composition of parliament really have a great effect on how the country's going? Hand on heart Gillard haters, even if she was as bad as you say, would it really make any difference to ur everyday lives.

      Commenter
      the outsider
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:23PM
      • Australians want a PM that they respect...

        Commenter
        paul
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:44PM
      • Hand on heart. Latham said, on national TV, that julia was wrong and howard was right re boat people solutions. Hand on heart, $270 billion in debt over 7 years to give us sweet bugger all, a 5% NBN roll out and to spend howards $100 billion future fund. Hand on heart, I'd vote for anyone with integrity, ethics, honesty, the ability to run a budget surplus. Hand on heart, Rudd and Gillard both failed on these. Hand on heart, I'd vote for an ALP PM, female, if I could just get surplus's, integrity, a little honesty. Hand on heart, yes Julia really truly is that bad. Between Julia and Rudd we have seen the worst governance of Australia since 1901.

        Commenter
        Ship
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:38PM
    • GOOD LUCK KEVIN RUDD.. ALL THE VERY BEST.

      HOPE YOU WILL THE BALLOT WE NEED PM LIKE YOU.

      JULIA AFTER ALL THE MESS THAT YOU DONE.. , NOT FAIR YOU QUIT THE POLITIC AND ENJOYING YOUR PENSION!

      Commenter
      Jam
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:23PM
      • The caps lock is usually at the left of the keyboard.
        Try it.
        You'll like it

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:39PM
      • Jam's post clearly indicates why Labor's education reforms are required urgently.

        Commenter
        Educated
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:44PM
    • Abbott must be shaking in his boots now.

      It was never a contest before and now if Rudd takes over as PM, Abbott will be looking in the mirror and looking behind himself, to see where Malcolm and Liberals faceless Grim Reapers are lurking.

      Oh poor Tony.

      Even when he sees his own shadow, he will shudder with fear.

      You just watch the press start to savage and ridicule Tony and start to pump up Malcolm.

      Ahh such entertainment.

      Commenter
      Bondy
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:22PM
      • Champ,

        Abbott has just seen off his second sitting PM - legend!!

        Commenter
        Observer
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:52PM
      • Erm.... No, the electorate will reject labor in all forms, Rudd gillard or other. I think this circus will serve only to install libs with a majority in both houses

        Commenter
        Llama Farma
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:03PM
    • Changing leaders will do little to change the caustic culture of the ALP and has been an ongoing issue.

      Doing the same thing and expecting a different result? Sounds a little bit insane to me. We have no idea what a new improved Rudd ALP government would stand for....well at least according to ruddy thousands of people do!... how big is our population now?

      Krudd Government.. sounds as bad as it looks.

      Commenter
      Matt
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:20PM
    • this has been a good parliament more than a good government. In saying that the policy direction has been profound and cognisant of the future and the needs of not only Australia u the world.
      The ETS NDIS Murray Darling CSG NBN Gonski are measures to future proof and enshrine equity and responsibility for actions.
      A shame the conservatives continue to slash and burn liime a retreating army inn order to gain power they beleive is their birthright.
      Gillard has unfortunately been inept in prosecuting and argument and politically naive outside the number crunching internally. Shen has played personality politics within the ALP and failed to acknowledge public opinion. Rudd is not the messiah but can persuade people of the benifits of the above policy benefits in the long term.
      It would be great if Gillard was a good negotiator and leader but she is not.
      I just wonder if Rudd wins whether Mc Ternan visa will be pulled and deported. I hope so.
      This change It just makes Ruddy Sense

      Commenter
      kevin bellingen
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:18PM
      • What gibberish .

        Commenter
        tommy75
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:22PM
    • Abbott will be appointed caretaker PM by the GG.in the not to distant future.

      Commenter
      Caretaker Abbott
      Location
      E Gippsland
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:18PM
      • No he won't. The support of the independents has been shored up. Otherwise the vote would not have been called. It's also interesting that Oakeshott announced his retirement today isn't it? The result of tonight's ballot is already known. We're just the witnesses to a Punch and Judy show played out to cover the truth of deals behind closed doors.

        Governmental transparency at its finest.

        But the sheep knows.....

        Commenter
        Malik the magic sheep
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:25PM
    • Kevin -I am doing it for the people of Australia - Rudd.

      The video of his press conference is 7 minutes of extraordinary hubris.

      Commenter
      Maddos
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:18PM
    • So Swannie are you saying these Labor values are deficits, disunity, dysfunction, division and debt ?

      Enjoy your last few hours as Treasurer. Australia deserves better.

      And thanks for the $300 billion in debt. May you reflect in retirement the damage you've done to the country in the years following stimulus package 1.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:16PM
      • But wasn't he the treasurer when Rudd was leading?... Rudd says he has proven economic performance... smells like a rat to me...

        Commenter
        back in black
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:27PM
    • re; Julia's Ballot Speech

      On the contrary Julia, politics is very much about personality and personal appeal to voters.

      Having good policy is useless, if you are in opposition, especially if your party is wiped of the map electorally.

      Yes personality is very important in securing votes for without votes, policy means nothing.

      The polls don't lie.

      Commenter
      Bondy
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:14PM
    • Wayne Swan should put his money where his mouth is re his 5:39 tweet

      "she’s a remarkable PM who I know will beat Tony Abbott on Sept 14"

      Because she's currently paying $18.50 to win the election on betfair.

      Rudd is paying $5.30, Abbot $1.20.

      If Wayne Swan bet 60k on Julia Gillard and she won the election he would win over a million dollars.

      Commenter
      DeludedSwan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:12PM
      • Anyone wanna guess how much JG has bet on tonight's result?

        Golden handshake indeed.

        Commenter
        Malik the magic sheep
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:16PM
      • If you believe in polls, stories and Betting odds then you should be allowed to be called a fool who cannot think for themselves.

        Commenter
        keith
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:28PM
      • @keith

        "If you believe in polls, stories and Betting odds then you should be allowed to be called a fool who cannot think for themselves."

        It's called statistics. There's a whole science behind it. In fact, there's even a Wikipedia page about it!

        Commenter
        Malik the magic sheep
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:18PM
    • Can somebody please explain why you think Julia Guillard has been such a bad Prime Minister? And I mean the policies, nothing else, why is it all aimed at her? Surely the rest of the party has something to do with it? All I see is a woman trying to get on with it, whilst dodging the mud being flung.

      Commenter
      Thedefa
      Location
      Inner west
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:12PM
      • if only politics were that simple ...policies only..you need to live in the real world . a labor voter I think

        Commenter
        jaci
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:24PM
      • Fairwork changes running the union boss agenda.
        bringing mcternan in to ruin the debate. that's enough but wait there's more......

        Commenter
        SK Ared
        Location
        ACT
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:24PM
      • Because as leader she is ultimately responsible. She said that there were 3 things that needed to be resolved when she knifed Kevin, climate change, mining tax and asylum seekers. The first she lied about, the second she negotiated something which costs more to administer than it collects and the third is more out of control than at any other time. Therefore based on her own reasons for knifing Kevin she has actually performed worse and the electorate has responded by showing that their opinion of her is worse than Rudd.

        Commenter
        Already Reflected
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:26PM
      • Thank you Jaci for your insight. What real world do you suggest I live in dear? I work, I pay taxes and try to see past the petty vitriol spewed out by people such as yourself. I haven't voted for either major party in years, neither have convinced me that they have My best interests at heart.

        Commenter
        Thedefa
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:34PM
      • Other than on the mean spirited refugee policies and ripping money away from universities and single mothers, I agree with you

        Commenter
        mockjock
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:43PM
    • I am overjoyed that Kevin in challenging. OK, so he said he wouldn't, but I believe a person is entitled to change his mind, especially in a situation of such gravity. Love him or hate him, if Kevin gets a second go at the leadership and PM, you have to be consoled by the fact that he is the only Labor candidate currently capable of serving it up to the Libs and Abbott. For that we may be eternally grateful. Thank you Kev for hanging in there so long and best of luck in the challenge and at the election.

      Commenter
      Eastcoast
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:11PM
      • Its a joke, he's a joke - you're a joke.

        Commenter
        BrewserB
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:37PM
      • she has had a rough time throughout her leadership and still got the job done while rudd and friends kept trying to tear her apart. i think she's one tough cookie. i admire her. rudd is such a petty loser. he has single handedly killed the labour party. national politics has become a poor job of an institution thanks to his efforts.

        Commenter
        gingerlily
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:11PM
    • How is Kev. . "he is here to protect us from Work Choices and Tony Abbott.". This is the same Tony Abbott who actually was not in favour of work choices under the Howard government, so why should we be worried about that. But Kev is here because the good people of Australia need him and have asked for him. The Soap Opera continues. I'm making popcorn for 7.00pm.

      Commenter
      justanothervoter
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:11PM
      • Did you have enough popcorn!

        Commenter
        BarbC
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:48PM
    • And two of those so-called 'independent' rats responsible for this debacle get off without their just desserts - moral cowards who won't now face the electorate to answer for their betrayal three years ago.

      Commenter
      Pedro the Swift
      Location
      in the tub
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:09PM
      • Not that this is on topic, but the “so-called independents” are truly independent members of parliament – their constituents didn’t vote for Labor or the Coalition, they voted independent. As for “rats” – I think you have been listening to question time too often, or a kindergarten schoolyard fight – really. The independents cannot be held responsible for the Labor leadership debacle – blame for that is purely at the feet of Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard. The independents met with Tony Abbott, they met with Julia Gillard, and they made a commitment to support the government. Whether we agree with their choice or not, that was their legitimate and democratic right and it cannot be described as a betrayal. A betrayal would have been if they reneged on their commitments and turned on Labor. I suggest they were asked to do so on many occasions but under great pressure they resisted and had the moral courage to be men of their word – no betrayal there. Not that Tony Abbott or most Liberal party members and supporters could grasp that concept. Given what we are observing from both Labor and Liberals, the more independents voted in the better; we might actually get some honesty, integrity and dare I suggest moral courage in parliament. And the independents will get what they truly deserve – time with their families and some rest. They have made more contribution to this country (whether we agree with them or not) than you, me and all the others making comments here.

        Commenter
        Wada
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:39PM
    • All u people out there , it dont matter who u put in power it will get worse , its like fighting the ocean u cant beat it, its the international shakers & movers that control everything , wait till your job is on the line ,then we will see what your reaction will be , liberal ,labour , greens , shmeens,it will not matter , its they come to our level or we come down to theirs. welcome to the new global religion $$$$$$

      Commenter
      THK
      Location
      Lalor
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:08PM
    • Rudd carefully avoided mentioning Immigration in his speech, didn't he. He started the rot and has no clue how to fix it, but he wants us to believe he's our only real choice. Deluded is what he is.

      Commenter
      Jack Black
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:07PM
      • You are 100%. The veteran election analyst Malcolm Mackerras said a few days ago tha K Rudd will have a short honeymoon but will lose the election for ALP because of the boatpeople crisis. To date 43,000 arrivals, 1000 deaths and coming in at 3000 plus a month. Pakistan is throwing out 1,600,000 Afghan refugees. USA will leave Afghanistan next year. Remember the hundreds of thousands of boatpeople refugees when Vietnam fell.We may get 500,000 to 1,000,000 boatpeople here within five years if we do not stop it now.

        Commenter
        Dr B S Goh
        Location
        Australian in Asia
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:32PM
    • interesting....if Rudd wins and the GG lets him form government, then surely the Libs would have to consider going to the election with Turnbull at the helm.

      Commenter
      Rascal
      Location
      Geelong
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:04PM
    • I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this soap opera! Overpaid individuals acting more like spoilt little children squabbling over who owns all the toys in the toy box.

      PLEASE, give me an election ASAP and be done with all this! Our overpaid politicians really need to get back to doing something for this country instead.

      Commenter
      Graham Loseby
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:04PM
      • YOu might want to see which politicians were being cantankerous last night then, when the government was trying to get excellent legislation passed.

        Commenter
        bornagirl
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:17PM
      • You gota laugh!

        Commenter
        Bondy
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:23PM
    • Has anyone talked about the Constitutional state of play if Rudd happens to win this ballot?
      Will he be P.M. after tomorrow, or will Gillard still be P.M.
      Doesn't the G.G. have to determine if he has the confidence of the parliament?
      What happens if she elects to install Tony Abbott to P..M. status?
      This situation is very confusing.

      Commenter
      Rosie
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:03PM
    • The cowards Windsor and Oakshott commit political harikiri depriving their conservative electorate that they betray to hand down the verdict of their actions? What were they in it for, just to be paid off by ALP promises and now they can retire with substantial MPs' perks?
      As for Rudd, it's the ALP that Australia detests. So good luck in getting the revenge you wanted but thanks for allowing the Australian public to send you where you belong that should have occurred in 2010 before JG knifed you.

      Commenter
      Is this a joke?
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:02PM
    • Our PM Julia Gillard is our Black Caviar in a red wig.

      Australians cannot afford to lose this leader of such high quality.

      Its time Rudd 'got off the pot' for good.

      Commenter
      punch
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:01PM
    • Kev for PM!!!

      Commenter
      bob
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 6:00PM
    • I think you will see a CAN DO attitude overcome all Labor voters, once Rudd is elected leader of the labor party.

      Commenter
      Bondy
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:57PM
    • Democracy is the issue here, no doubt. If self interest is what dominates? Won't guarantee it's checkmate. Mortal women and men here. Its about freedom of speech within. Don't pretend to preach, the ethos of labor law. Do the ballot box draw. Heart and mind sway the conscious vote. The common good? Logic and common sense ought to prevail. Truth be known. Who has the backbone? To say it how it is? Then this person will win. For Gods sake not the cheshire grin?

      Commenter
      mmm
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:56PM
    • Best result is Rudd wins and asks GG to dissolve both houses. Clear the lot out. Useless greens, non independents and every alp member. Let them see value of their fantastic education revolution (not misspelt), debts and handouts while country is a dumping ground for illegal migration and a place where employers are just sacking

      Commenter
      Paul
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:55PM
    • I hope Julia Gillard loses. Not because Rudd is a better PM because he isn't and not because he can win the election because he can't but because I, like so many Australians, particularly women, are just sick and tired of the misogynistic vitriol and bile which has been directed at our first female Prime Minister and she deserves a break. She will be judged for her worth later. Now, let the boys get on with it and leave all of us alone. The treatment of Julia Gillard has been disgraceful. She is not perfect but she has been as good as any male PM on most counts and better on some.

      Commenter
      R.Ross
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:55PM
      • she has had a rough time throughout her leadership and still got the job done while rudd and friends kept trying to tear her apart. i think she's one tough cookie. i admire her. rudd is such a petty loser. he has single handedly killed the labour party. national politics has become a poor job of an institution thanks to his efforts.

        Commenter
        gingerlily
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:11PM
    • Kevin is homing in on Coalition climate change policy. Abbott best get his climate change ship in order and cast the box of rotten fish that is current policy overboard ASAP. It is a no brainer and as much of one as Labor's climate change scam is.

      Suggest they both read up on CSP technology and stop treating the electorate as blithering idiots.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:55PM
    • If it wasn't so serious, if it didn't have such a profound impact on Australian democracy, this would be a complete joke. The reality is there are two Labor Parties - not one: the Rudd Cultists and the Gillard Old Guard. RIP ALP! You will be cremated in September, if not sooner: and your Ashes spread over whatever light is left burning on the hill!

      Commenter
      Paul Bilster
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:55PM
      • Well said Paul, extremely insightful. However, I believe that the Gillard and Rudd camps are now one and the same. If they are not, Rudd will lose tonight. But he won't. The puppet masters will still have their hands on the strings. All they have done is change one figurehead for another.

        DO NOT BE FOOLED.

        Commenter
        Malik the magic sheep
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:07PM
    • Masterstroke (sorry too sexist, but real) by ms Gillard. she has been tapped on the shoulder or maybe just knows the numbers of those who want to save their skins.
      She knows she will lose at the next election & would retire like any committed Laborite does. Now she has this stand and she loses, so she never has to face the electorate again!
      I must be challenged, Mr Rudd certainly does not communicate with me. Perhaps I failed to see the greatest moral challenge of our time was ousting an egotist

      Commenter
      S K Ared
      Location
      ACT
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:55PM
    • So over this embarrassing two-ring circus. Put the lot of them out to pasture. Care factor = nil.

      Commenter
      neatster
      Location
      Sutho
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:55PM
    • Rudd should send an olive branch to the ALP caucus by giving up the leaders power to select the ministry and return to the traditional practice of caucus selecting the ministry. It will also be a sign that he has changed and listened to the concerns MPs had about his leadership style

      Commenter
      Flatearth
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:53PM
      • "Rudd should send an olive branch to the ALP caucus by giving up the leaders power to select the ministry and return to the traditional practice of caucus selecting the ministry"

        That is exactly the deal that has been done.

        Commenter
        Malik the magic sheep
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:14PM
    • ".@JuliaGillard is the toughest person I know – she’s a remarkable PM who I know will beat Tony Abbott on Sept 14"

      Really?! Is the DPM on the same planet? Are they looking at a different set of polls than the rest of us, perhaps ones they make up themselves?

      Commenter
      koolerking
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:53PM
    • Get on it Ruddy! You're our last hope! Our saviour from an Abbott government!

      Commenter
      Blake
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:49PM
      • Hahahaha very funny, its obvious you don't mean you'd want more Labour stupidity governing our once great country!

        Commenter
        GetRidOfTheIdiots
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:01PM
      • My vote goes:
        Gillard - if necessary
        Abbott - eek
        Rudd- bottom
        Hey Malcolm - where were you when we needed you?

        Commenter
        Help
        Location
        Ringwood, Victoria
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:07PM
      • Couldn't agree more! Rudd has been "stirring" the pot since he was booted out. A leopard doesn't change its spots - I hope Rudd loses the vote and resigns. I am sick of his undermining.

        Commenter
        John
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:48PM
    • What a bloody shambles.

      Commenter
      Xavier
      Location
      Reid
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:48PM
    • Kev - 'no retributions or paybacks' if you win? Bring 'em on, son, not so much for a big fella like you but for Simon Crean, Martin Ferguson, Joel Fitzgibbon and any of the other high-integrity and valuable Australian servers of the public who were knifed, mauled and spat upon by this vicious and PC crony-driven administration. Make it bloody and total - you can't flesh-wound enemies - banish them to obscurity, they deserve it.

      Commenter
      Ozzymandias
      Location
      Sept14Land
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:48PM
    • re; The Age Poll, Preferred PM

      Since 10,000 votes or in the last 20,000 votes, with now over 30,000 votes counted, there has only been a 2% point swing to Gillard.

      She needed at 20% point swing just to break even with Rudd and that's only taking votes away from Rudd and excluding the 35% points for other candidates.

      Writing is on the wall. The statistics spell it out. After 30,000 votes

      53% Rudd
      13% Gillard
      34% other

      Game over.

      Only the caucus can be blamed for not delivering voters what they demand. Neither Rudd or Gillard can be blamed for the actions of the King Makers. They better get this right.

      Commenter
      007
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:48PM
    • The Janus face of 21 Century Labor. Gillard and Rudd engaged in poll driven Liberal Democracy.

      Commenter
      Michael
      Location
      Luddenham
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:48PM
    • re Wayne Swann's remarks - in the words of Mandy Rice Davies (or was it Christine Keeler?) He would say that wouldn't he?

      Commenter
      helenB
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:47PM
    • for all of you who say they will vote for Rudd wins, what is the guarantee that he will be prime minister if he wins. He maybe prime minister for a month or two but then the remainder of the backstabbers challenge again and he is out again. I have had enough of ALP.
      My vote goes to Abbot!!!!

      Commenter
      troy
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:46PM
    • I hope Rudd comes back tonight. Gillard, Swan and their inner circle have said some very mean and slanderous things about him in the past. They have really shown extremely poor manners in relation to a former, elected PM. It is because of their poor manners that I will derive satisfaction at Rudds comeback. It is also because he wasn't consulted about his communication style before he was knifed, wasn't given an opportunity to change that I think he deserves another shot. In one month the he will have the labor party a lot more organized and he will have a real shot at winning. Of course, I still won't be voting for them because their factionalism and heavy affiliation with trade unions sickens me.

      Commenter
      ForChange
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:45PM
      • @ForChange

        Rudd's leadership style was not criticised because he was difficult to work with. It was criticised because he did not play the "union puppet". Rudd is a very real threat to Tony Abbott as long as people don't realise that Rudd Mk2 is now well and truly in the union's pocket, else he will not have the votes to win tonight. Rudd Mk2 is not Rudd Mk1. He has learned his lesson, and a vote for him is a vote for the same people that brought us the boat people crisis.

        DO NOT BE FOOLED.

        Commenter
        Malik the magic sheep
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:02PM
      • the $900 payment to all taxpayers...did anyone send it back to the government based on their belief it was a bribe..2 years before a election...Rudd has been welfare and budgetary conscious since he became PM.. his term shortened..come back Kev..save us from a short sighted Catholic Abbot

        Commenter
        dieseldoc
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:16PM
    • OMG I don't which is worse, the fact this is our government or the fact that Rudd is laying on his 'altruistic' reasons so thick you would need a chain saw to cut it

      Plain and simple, Kevin '07 has been replaced by The Revenge of the Rudd.

      "Revenge is the abject pleasure of an abject mind" Juvenal (2nd century poet)

      Commenter
      Dvaid
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:45PM
    • They are both jokeworthy leaders.

      Commenter
      AM
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:45PM
    • Will turkeys again vote for certain Xmas tonight?

      Commenter
      AussieColloquial
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:44PM
    • If Gillard doesnt win i wont be voting for Labor if Rudd wins its a vote for Abbot to be PM.

      Commenter
      amro
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:44PM
      • The clowns who will be switching their vote from Abbott to Rudd disagree.

        Commenter
        Malik the magic sheep
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:50PM
    • Not signing off at 5pm as usual Steph?

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:43PM
    • Abbotts worst nightmare. Rudd gets in as ALP leader and GG appoints Abbott as PM. He will be exposed to the people then have to face them in 8-10 weeks as the incumbent and also need to show them who he is and what he stands for. Ouch!

      Commenter
      Greg100
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:42PM
      • Abbott will call an election immediately before the electorate has time to realise that the emperor has no clothes.

        Commenter
        cBelli
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:50PM
      • Rather Abbott as PM for a month than 3 years!

        Commenter
        bob
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:07PM
      • What a strange comment...If Abbott is appointed PM it will only be in a caretaker role just like Fraser...why would he be worried about that..??

        Commenter
        paul
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:14PM
      • Abbott being next PM is a dream, not a nightmare for him. Labor stands for self-interest, so the only way is up.

        Commenter
        Bottom Line
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:23PM
      • Assuming Rudd gets in and the GG then decides to give Abbott the nod. This is only 1 of several possibilities. "People" as convention as a caretaker PM Abbott can't do anything. So please explain how he can be exposed to be good or bad???

        Commenter
        brmage
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:24PM
      • Running out of straws to clutch to?

        Commenter
        MTK
        Location
        Port Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:31PM
      • Under those circumstances it would be a caretaker government, which do not introduce policies.

        Commenter
        Pen of hrba
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:33PM
    • Listening to Rudd you'd think he was the messiah coming to save us all from Tony Abbott. Such a condescending speech - doing it for the good of the country - the people want me back - I'll save you from WorkChoices. More like he's standing to fulfil the needs of his own ego and enjoy the spotlight of power. Hopefully it's short lived and we get an election ASAP

      Commenter
      Tina Sparkles
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:41PM
      • Is this the real Kevin?

        Commenter
        paulk
        Location
        melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:52PM
      • Tina: The irony is that Julia Gillard supported Rudd for much longer than she should have. Revolt against Rudd came from far and wide in the Ministry and from the benches and from senior bureaucrats. Faced with this, Gillard did not challenge until the situation was totally unworkable. Behind the scenes, Rudd was an appalling manager, arrogant, chaotic, unpredictable, and his office was a nightmare. Gillard supported and protected him, until there was no option but to contest. Again out of loyalty, Gillard never came out publicly with the real reasons for the challenge. For this she is seen as a backstabber! The public just doesn't understand there is more to running the nation than being a popular figure on mass media. Read David Marr on Rudd and get a clue. News Ltd is running the show and badly informed people constantly spew out slogans.

        Commenter
        azure
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:01PM
      • Agree. Call on election now. That is the best thing KRudd can do for all Australians.

        Commenter
        Now
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:11PM
    • Surely it wold be better if he devoted some energy to running the country?

      "...If he is successful, Mr Rudd says he will devote "every fibre" of his being to fight the Coalition..."

      Commenter
      markx
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:40PM
      • Maybe K Rudd will spare sometime to clean up the mess he created on the boatpeople crisis. Since he as PM open up the borders Australia has 43,000 boatpeople arrivals, 1000 deaths and increasing at 3000 plus a month. In the meantime Pakistan is kicking out 1,600,000 Afghan refugees. Next year will be a bumper crop year when USA leaves Afghanistan. Remember the huge surge in boatpeople from Vietnam when USA left Vietnam. Australia should prepare to get 800,000 boatpeople over the next five years.

        Commenter
        Dr B S Goh
        Location
        Australi in Asia
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:53PM
    • The Labour Party has given Australia free University Education (now sensibily with HECs), Medicare (free sikies certificates), great Union Power, unlimited & unfunded Disability Scheme, disastrous & unfunded Boat People policy, Gonski Education scheme, poor execution of GFC measures, lots of wasted feasibility studies on airports & trains projects and loads of other wonderful `thought bubbles' for a country with small & an ageing population, high labour cost with increasing unemployment! Is this what we deserve or want!

      Commenter
      Why Labour On?
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:37PM
      • And what have the Liberals given us?

        Commenter
        On the other hand
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:49PM
      • Don't lump all of those things together as if they're all bad. Labor has done some great things. The only problem is nothing great has come out of the Rudd and Gillard led Labor parties except for 457 Visa Reform, the NDIS and the NBN. Others were well intentioned (pink batts, BER), while others pretty much have sunk their electoral vote (boat people, border protection). That's right, if they stopped the boats they could have won. They may still win. How about it Kevin? Can you stop the boats in five months time? Anything more than 1 more asylum seeker arriving by boat in that time counts as a fail.

        Commenter
        Malik the magic sheep
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:55PM
      • The Aquaduct

        Commenter
        Richard
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:00PM
    • Thank goodness, Kevin Rudd please learn from the past and be the leader that we know is in you, I think your motives are right, as it is the coaltion will not only wipe the floor with your lot they will make Labor extinct.

      I am not a Labor supporter but want good leadership for our country, I now know the election, whenever that is, will now be a real election with a viable alternative for voters who are typically Labor voters.

      God luck in the challenge tonight, because Mr Rudd you'll need all your strength after, once again thank goodness.

      See ya Julia

      Commenter
      GJS
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:37PM
    • Now let’s see, tidy up this Leadership issue by 7.05pm, on the Prime Ministerial jet out of Canberra by 7.15pm, at the State of Origin by 8.15pm kick-off...

      What a great Quinella I’ll deliver Queenslanders, Um, all Australians tonight, no wonder they love me...

      Commenter
      Kevie
      Location
      Sunshine Coast
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:37PM
    • No matter who leads, Labor is in for mauling at the election. It is not justified given the current state of Australia and anyone who has traveled overseas within the last 3 years can not deny this. We are still the lucky country, but I fear for our conservative future. Finally the redneck christian lobby will rule the day and we will be left to rue the day.

      Commenter
      Rannoch
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:36PM
    • Question on everyone's lips: WWBD? What Will Bill Do?

      Commenter
      Rob
      Location
      Montana
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:36PM
    • What's forgotten in this equation? Oh that's right: the Australian people. Like him or not Rudd has support in the electorate, so if he leaves politics Labor will lose even more votes. And if Gillard stays....well, they can't win either way, can they?

      Commenter
      Liv
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:34PM
    • The very best result - Gillard wins the leadership challenge, Rudd resigns and we get to vote her OUT! Isn't that the least we deserve.

      Commenter
      Ramba
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:34PM
      • It might be what you deserve....I certainly haven't. Baaaaa!

        Commenter
        MikeS
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:12PM
    • Reading through the incessant venom of most of the comments it is no wonder our political life is so self-destructive. At all levels we really are such a needlessly bitter nation.Who of right mind could stomach serving it?

      Commenter
      Lumenier
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:33PM
      • have you checked Hansard recently - look up Swan & Albanese if Ms Gillard's words are not enough

        Commenter
        S K Ared
        Location
        ACT
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:58PM
    • cmooooon Ruddy!!!! you can do it bro!

      Commenter
      cacman
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:32PM
    • I was looking forward so much to Gillard being annihilated at the election and having to concede. If Rudd wins tonight we are denied the natural justice of voting her out.

      I still cannot understand how if Rudd is so bad the Labor party let him become leader the first time. Although Craig Thomson explains a lot.

      Commenter
      Mathew
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:32PM
    • Rudd is the best leader of all of them by far. He was cheated of his position by opportunists with no reference to the Australian people. I hope he wins both elections and that the others fail and fade away like they deserve.

      Commenter
      Shane
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:32PM
    • Bill Shorten must be loving this - the loser tonight leaves politics, and the loser in September will be doomed to follow...enter, the new great (multiculturally correct) hope!

      Commenter
      Davos
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:30PM
      • This is is a national disgrace, especially on State of Origin night, tomorrow would have been better

        Commenter
        nath72
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:55PM
    • A Labor politician would never lie, would they?

      Commenter
      The Inconvenient Truth
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:30PM
    • And Mr Rudd has just broken his word by challenging. As bad as Gillard.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:29PM
    • Got to laugh at Rudd saying we need someone with a proven economic management record. Is Costello returning?

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:28PM
      • Keating?... actually he'd love it!

        Commenter
        Back in Black
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:36PM
      • I hope you mean Tim, not Peter.

        Peter was hopeless and should be remembered as such.

        Commenter
        PxD
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:42PM
    • PM Gillard was impressive in her TV interview. She has also stated clearly she will leave Parliament immediately. This is a her farewell gift to K Rudd given that Windsor had said he may not support K Rudd in a no confidence motion. It will ensure that K Rudd can come back as leader of ALP bu not as PM ! !

      Commenter
      Dr B S Goh
      Location
      Australian in Asia
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:28PM
    • If Rudd wins, then he will get my vote. If he loses, then Abbott gets it (reluctantly). Julia loses either way.

      Commenter
      Eric
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:28PM
      • Voting by personality much?

        Commenter
        Dan
        Location
        Coogee
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:39PM
    • The Liberal PR guys were praying for this - remember after the last challenge all those public comments from senior Labor figures trashing Rudd!!
      We are to get the funniest political adverts ever.

      Commenter
      primehealth
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:27PM
      • You mean:

        Kevin Rudd: “I made mistakes.”

        Gillard claims Rudd’s mistakes: "Dysfunction, paralysis, sabotage, chaos?"

        Stephen Conroy: "Contempt?"

        Nicola Roxon: "Very bad behaviour?"

        Swan: "Deeply flawed?"

        Kate Ellis: "Absolutely outrageous?"

        Tony Burke: "Inability?"

        Craig Emerson: "Poll driven?"

        Simon Crean: "He [Rudd] reneged on our deal, it was gutless,"

        Peter Garrett: “I’ll quit as Education Minister if there is a switch back to Kevin Rudd.”

        Wayne Swann: “I will not serve in his government”

        Graham Perrett: “I would resign from Parliament if Rudd made a comeback”

        Unnamed Labor M.P. : “I don’t like the way he’s carried on.’’

        Rodd Cameron: Do they really want Rudd?

        Rudd confidante: “If they don't want Kevin, they can go and fall off the cliff.”

        Gary Gray: “I think Kevin is confused.”

        Will a union driven caucus reinstate a disliked dysfunctional who makes mistakes, rules over paralysis, sabotage, and chaos, is poll driven, absolutely outrageous, deeply flawed, gutless, contemptible, operates with inability and with confused very bad behaviour to the extent Minister’s will quit their portfolios, others promise to quit parliament altogether? If so will Kevin unify the party or what remains of the Labor party.

        Commenter
        Pen of hrba
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:46PM
    • It's Thunderdome!

      Two MPs enter - only one PM leaves!

      Canberradome!

      Commenter
      Bob from Ballarat
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:27PM
      • We don't need another ballot....

        Commenter
        Malik the magic sheep
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:48PM
      • Well played Bob, champagne comedy at it's finest.

        Commenter
        Educated Elite
        Location
        Sydney City
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:56PM
    • So when Rudd wins the ballot tonight I expect Swan, Garrett and Co. to hand in their portfolios immediately seeing how they have publicly stated they would never serve under Rudd.

      It is a shame Gillard, Oakshotte and Windsor won't be around to cop the shellacking they deserve come the next election.

      Commenter
      Adam_C
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:27PM
    • Rudd,like all the ALP has made his position clear; none of this is about the good of Australia; it is all about fighting the the Coalition. The ALP are a disgrace

      Commenter
      Betty
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:26PM
      • ... and the sole reason for the formation of the Liberal Party was to oppose Labor. Since both parties are ideologically opposed to each other then, based on your views, neither party is able to govern the country.

        Commenter
        jj
        Location
        perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:11PM
    • Good luck Rudd, the Australian people want their revenge and we will still send you on your way at the next election, but I hope you get yours tonight! Take back your rightful spot!

      Commenter
      panda
      Location
      perth
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:25PM
      • What rightful spot. Learn about politics and not half baked belief that its a US presudential system. The PM is the leader of the largest representation tge House of Reps and that by convention is the leader of the larger party. Rudd was leader of the ALP and by convention PM. He was then dumped by other elected representatives of his party and as a result not able to be PM. Any reinstatement of Rudd would be a backward step. I dont like Gillard but No No No to the Dud.

        Commenter
        David
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:39PM
    • Rudd is a joke. That's why he was dumped by his own party.

      Gillard is hated because Labor are useless and she's at the top of the pile.

      If Rudd wins tonight and Labor win in September, it will be a monument to the stupidity of the Australian public.

      Commenter
      MH
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:25PM
      • Agree, though this could be a great day,

        I hope Julia wins - Kevin is gone for good tonight and forever and then Julia will be gone in September

        Commenter
        Genghis
        Location
        Lounge
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:46PM
      • Could not agree more!!!!

        Commenter
        Balda
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:57PM
    • Labor's last chance!!!

      Commenter
      Joe M
      Location
      South Yarra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:25PM
    • I am sick to death of the Labor Party running scared to save themselves and not actually running the country. We need a government that works for the people, not themselves.

      Commenter
      Swimfins
      Location
      WA
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:22PM
      • Good luck with that one!

        Commenter
        CazMc
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:36PM
    • Abbott would be praying for Gillard win, as he has her on the ropes, but Rudd is his worst nightmare, because he will rejuvenate the Govt, unite it, and take the fight right up to the over cocky Libs and Tones himself. Abbott would be very scared right now of a rudd comeback, as he might have to actually come clean on his hidden far right agenda, and his hidden costed policies,he dares not reveal.

      Commenter
      Piesnchess
      Location
      Mt evelyn
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:22PM
      • From the Coalition's point-of-view, Rudd will have a brief honeymoon, but he will be carpet-bombed with reminders of what he did as PM, and what his colleagues have said about him. After all, his failures on the carbon tax, mining tax and asylum seekers have caused a lot of the current issues for the ALP. On a related issue, is it true the RAAF have special contingency plans for their cabin crews aboard the VIP aircraft?

        Commenter
        Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:55PM
    • What a colossal farce

      Commenter
      Marty
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:22PM
      • x10

        Commenter
        Timothy
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:38PM
    • Damn the ALP and its self indulgent, self destruction.
      This latest leadership fiasco better not interrupt the SOO telecast.

      Commenter
      LeftyRoy
      Location
      Cydnee
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:21PM
      • Not ALP but Rudd

        Commenter
        DB
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:02PM
    • I would rather vote for Abbott than Rudd and I am a lifelong Labor voter. Not any more. Not after Rudd's destabilising. It's Julia or Tony.

      Commenter
      OhNoNotYouAgain
      Location
      Melb
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:21PM
    • Thank God!

      Commenter
      GunnerJoe
      Location
      Coogee
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:21PM
    • So, at the end of the day, what will the Australian electorate get out of this? Absolutely nothing really.
      I doubt that Kevin is going to be able to save Labor.
      It's pretty much all over red rover and if Windsor and Oakeshott carry out their threats, we might be at the polls in a few weeks (which may be preferable to more electioneering until September.).

      Commenter
      It's all too hard
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:21PM
    • Here we go again, 2 seagulls fighting over an old potato chip.

      Commenter
      Richo
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:20PM
    • The term 'The Honourable...' should be removed from the titles of all politicians. This should be a conferred title given to the politicians who have earned the right to add it to their name card. Is it any wonder that this group of people are so reviled by most of the population? When they consistently act without honour. Get your priorities in order politicians - you are employed to do a job - do it, or get out! How dare you behave the way you do - only to leave and take huge self-appointed pensions and elevated salaries as 'political consultants, etc.'. I can think of none you that come anywhere close to earning the title 'The Honourable...!'

      Commenter
      peter
      Location
      expat australia
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:20PM
    • Rudd is going to get crucified in ballot. All of his supporters are leaving after next election.
      Unfortunately he is the only Labor leader who can beat Abbot.

      Commenter
      Cameron
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:20PM
    • Yes!! Finally he's giving it a go. Good luck! Lets start again.

      Commenter
      Altered
      Location
      Esperance
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:19PM
      • GO KEVIN 07!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        Commenter
        Jones
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:19PM
      • Bye bye Swan, Conroy, Tanya, Kate, Garrett......

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:29PM
      • Rudd is an absolute dudd! How could you put any faith in this no hoper! He will be the worst example of political failure ever.

        Commenter
        Phill Power
        Location
        Hong Kong
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:39PM
      • Yeah, let's start it again. Let's see. Mark Latham said Howard had the solution to boat people. Let's let Rudd bugger that up again. 7 years of budget deficits, let's get another 7, then instead of each working Australian owing $25k in Rudd/Julia debt, it can be $50k each. Sure I've got that hanging around.

        Commenter
        Ship
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:46PM
    • OM#G

      Commenter
      CharlieJ
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:18PM
    • Will there be a ballot for the Deputy's position?

      Commenter
      RU Kiddinme
      Location
      Wollongong
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:17PM
      • Damn Iv'e missed the Bold and Beautiful?

        Commenter
        Pen of hrba
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:17PM
    • Great example of why too few will vote for Gillard as PM - ruthless behind the scenes manoeuvring only surpassed by a "tin ear" for outside sentiment. Gillard and her supporters just don't seem to get that the "faceless" manner of Rudd's departure was completely mystifying to most voters, including Labor supporters. Hence no trust to begin with only exacerbated by 3 years of "communication malfunctions", backflips and policy blunders. Sadly the Coalition looks to be a walk in at the election. The ALP caucus deserves what's coming to it in September; unfortunately the rest of us don't. Time to get real, scrap the factions and bring in real democratic reform.

      Commenter
      Chris B
      Location
      Molong
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:15PM
      • She'll need more than luck what with all of that sexism and abortion being the plaything of men. How many women are there in caucus?

        Bye Jool's happy camping near the lake. Take up fishing, you can blame the one that got away.

        Commenter
        Pen of hrba
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:15PM
    • I DO hope they don't break into the Origin telecast tonight to tell us who the new loser will be at the next election. Who cares which of these two self-absorbed excuses for a leader win the boob prize. SOO is much more important than that.

      Commenter
      Jack Black
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:15PM
    • Labor has no chance at all getting into government with Gillard in charge. If they are really interested in what the voters want (ie, a democracy) rather than their own little power games, then they'll elect K Rudd back! and by the way, I've voted for many females in reps, senate and locally over the years, so this is NOT ABOUT GENDER!! Just want the best leader back! This is their last chance, they better make the right choice tonight.

      Commenter
      getitoverwith
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:14PM
    • Julia Gillard. The worst Prime Minister since Kevin Rudd.

      Commenter
      damian
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:13PM
    • Why bother ? Because Rudd want the voters to shaft him on his terms if he is to be shafted at all. That's they way it should have always been.

      This corrects the record and gives voters that opportunity to make him or beak him. After this restoration, caucus should never ever do this experiment again.

      Leave it all to the voters

      Commenter
      JB
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:13PM
    • It's obvious more people want Kev back. JG has done a pathetic job and taken this country backwards.

      Look at the poll 53% wont Rudd, 12% wont JG... BYE BYE JULIA!

      Commenter
      Ted
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:12PM
      • Sadly lots of people won't want correct spelling.

        Commenter
        Bemused In Kaleen
        Location
        Kaleen
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:29PM
    • Today, finally, I've decided to watch Game of Thrones on my day off, so I've spent several thrilling hours watching the manipulations and machinations of season one.

      Boy, did I pick a bad day to watch a fictional series when I should have been reading the news.

      Commenter
      LJ Dots
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:11PM
      • Game of Thrones is more interesting politics than this.

        Commenter
        Gabriel
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:15PM
    • How about Julia doing the right thing and call an election now, so that we, the people can sort out this mess once and for all.
      They are making Italian politics look respectable.

      Commenter
      Balda
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:10PM
    • Congratulations Stephanie on a first class job on what must be an extremely hectic day. With over 1000 comments to deal with I hope the editor puts you up for bonus you deserve one.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:10PM
      • I heartily agree - she is worth it.

        Commenter
        Rosie
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:12PM
      • Yep, Steph is a standout journalist, this blog is more interesting than watching it live. Also the photo's from Andrew Meares and Alex Ellinghausen have been brilliant making it so much more fun and interesting.
        Kudos

        Commenter
        timjackelton
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:52PM
    • The Sheep's prediction.

      Gillard out - gives Rudd the opportunity to build voter support by extending the poll date to November. There are way too many people with too many vested interests for Gillard to win tonight.

      Then again what would I know. I'm just a sheep.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:09PM
      • The principal "vested interest" unfortunately is the faceless men of Trade Union association.....Roxon and Evans fled the ship months ago in anticipation of missing the final sinking.... however there may still be rats in enough numbers on board.....to scuttle Rudd...

        Commenter
        Malcolm
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:29PM
      • Move East young man
        The Land of the Long White Cloud
        Feel the love

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:34PM
    • Here's what will happen. Julia Gillard will remain PM, just as she was before. And the media and all the impatient public morons who are lapping up the media "soap opera" drama like fools will be disappointed that it's business as usual. God forbid everyone should focus on the policies.

      Commenter
      GavinSpaceFace
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:09PM
    • Bring back Malcolm & we'll vote for him but not for Santamaria/Pell/Abbott. One instance of Sloganeer Abbott: Adm Barrie (rtd) has suggested that using the navy in a manner unexplained as yet might contravene the law of the sea. Abbott is policy free. Let's not forget that he won the leadership by only 1 vote.

      Commenter
      johnb747b
      Location
      Victoria
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:09PM
      • Hear hear. Turnbull for PM.

        Commenter
        Gabriel
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:11PM
      • John,
        Take a break. He is the leader and doing quite well in holding his team together. Vote for the rebel mob is he doesn't please you, but do bugger off.

        Commenter
        Jean
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:14PM
      • Don't think this shindig tonight is about the Libs, though I may have missed something somewhere.

        Commenter
        Some Old Guy
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:27PM
    • I like Gillard for her strength, honesty and focus. I also like Rudd for his honesty, integrity and intelligence. I do not mind either way, and I am sick of this false dichotomy - both are good in their own way, and better than someone else like Shorten.

      Commenter
      Gabriel
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:08PM
      • Like how you sweat on your scripts each morning?

        Commenter
        tasch2
        Location
        Mornington Peninsula
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:07PM
    • Pragmatism can do wonders when reality stares you in the face. Clearly Rudd has the peoples vote.

      Commenter
      JB
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:07PM
    • Labor is losing it!

      Commenter
      Majid
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:07PM
    • This had better not balls-up the start of the Origin game...

      Commenter
      Dave
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:06PM
      • It will be interesting seeing which rates better. SOO or Labor Leadership Spill. Could be the litmus test of the voting intentions of the population.

        Commenter
        Canoath
        Location
        The 'gong
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:36PM
    • She's dressed in black? Time for the funeral.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:05PM
    • re; The Age Poll accuracy.

      After 24,185. poll votes, yes the poll is accurate and its only changed 1% since 10,000 votes were counted. The sample size is sufficient to draw meaningful conclusions from.

      Rudd 52%
      Gillard 12%

      That says it all.

      Even allowing for significant swing, you would require a swing of several hundred percent for Gillard to get ahead on this poll.

      That aint gonna happen. Basic statistics matey. The game is up.

      We have a new leader, if caucus reflects the voters view, rather than reflects their selfish inward looking selves.

      The ultimate good of the party is the good of the people and the people will. The caucus must reflect that will, to have any chance of minimising the damage at the upcoming election.

      Commenter
      Bondy
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:05PM
      • BOndy - Are the people being sampled randomly? No only those who have a strong opinion vote, and only those who have an active interest in politics vote, plus political party stooges.

        Commenter
        Macca75
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:23PM
    • This is the best day in Australia in a long time, No more Windsor , Oakeshott and hopefully Rudd, and if its not Rudd at least its Julia gone. Woohoo!!!

      Commenter
      Genghis
      Location
      Lounge
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:04PM
    • I rhink Julia is far preferable.to KRUDD ! Anyway im watching Aljerra Rv

      Commenter
      vic rhodes
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:03PM
    • Whether she wins this ballot or not, Gillard's political career is finished. She will be the most hated prime minister in history. Labor need to reinstal Rudd in order to save some of the furniture at least otherwise there will be little left of the Labor Party after the election.

      Commenter
      Rick
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:02PM
    • Rudd has spelt out his terms … if his assassins, on their knees, beg him to return as their master… then he might consider resuming the leadership. In such a case the grovelling by the supplicants will be world class, punctuated by Rudd every few minutes asking rhetorically, “So you really, really, truly accept that I’m the best person to lead you?”

      If the pound of flesh is not paid to Rudd and he does not return to the leadership, then Gillard will remain on the bridge of the stricken ship, hands in a white knuckle grip on the wheel, screaming “Misogynists!! …. One and all!! …. as the ALP slips beneath the waters.

      Following the election, the Union movement may well have to engage the services of James Cameron in order to locate Gillard and the broken wreck of the ALP deep in their watery abyss.

      Commenter
      Martin brooks
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:02PM
    • hmmm I think I know which state of origin match I prefer to watch tonight. I think I shall be looking north, to Queensland.

      Commenter
      Dave
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:02PM
    • Looks like at least we get rid of one of these clowns tonight. I may have a glass of champas if Gillard goes and a bottle if Kev goes for good :)

      Commenter
      Genghis
      Location
      Lounge
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:02PM
    • Gillard is a coward. Part of me wants her to stay PM so she can be kicked out by the people.

      Commenter
      dsr99
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:02PM
      • In what way shape or form is she a coward?

        Commenter
        jofek
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:05PM
      • All of me wants her to stay.....just a little bit longer

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:13PM
      • I want her to get booted so badly, because when Kevin Redux also gets smashed in the election we can say "you were both useless, and now the people have shouted you out. The baseball bats have had their say". Rudd's loss will be Gillard's smashing and vice versa. Win, win all round.

        Commenter
        housemartin
        Location
        Hong Kong
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:27PM
      • A coward? I'll define coward. TAbbott. A coward who wouldn't admit he had a meeting with G Pell. A coward who won't tell the truth unless he can write it down. A coward who won't outline policies for the people to scrutinise. A coward who won't make the hard decisions on climate change that's a coward!!

        Commenter
        CGC
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:38PM
      • I have to second jofek - in what possible interpretation of events can you logically justify this statement? It's note she WANTS to not run for the election, circumstances are dealing her a rough hand and she is facing it head on. I think that this line from the story is more apt: "It is a high risk strategy but, if the past three years have demonstrated anything, it is that Ms Gillard is not afraid of a fight and that she has nerves of steel"

        Commenter
        Rich
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:40PM
      • jofek, she is too cowardly to admit mistakes and fix them. Boat people numbers blow out, she blames the opposition for not supporting her next hairbrained boat people scheme. Cannot get a surplus, blame others. Fails all around, we're all misogynists. Looks pretty cowardly to me.

        Commenter
        Ship
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:44PM
    • Uh uh.... she'll have to leave politics after the election anyway. So why bother having a ballet? Just resign and give Abbott the govt now. It wilk give Labour time to peel away his popularity before the election because he will make an absolute a.s of himself and make it easier for Labour next election. ...

      Commenter
      Thornss
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:02PM
    • Julia Gillard is an unreliable PM, we all know by now. Kevin Rudd declared loud and clear that he's not going to challenge again. If he doesn't, then we remain with our current unreliable PM. if he does challenge, then after 7pm tonight we will end up with the next unreliable PM.
      This is Labour for you Australia !!!

      Commenter
      Leora
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:01PM
      • What does "unreliable" mean in your language? Do you cons just open a dictionary and point at a word? In what way is she unreliable?

        Commenter
        jofek
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:08PM
      • jofek

        I can feel the quiver in your fingers.

        Can I grasp that last straw????

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:15PM
      • Louis, do whatever you like but do you think 50% of the people on your side of the argument have the remotest idea of what they are talking about?

        Commenter
        jofek
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:24PM
    • Wouldn't it be good if a 3rd person throws their hat in the ring & wins??
      Killing two birds with the one stone sounds great :-)
      Come on down Mr Simon Crean - the prize is all yours!!

      Commenter
      Rosie
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:59PM
    • She will quit? Well its either now or in 3mths. She will look better quitting now, than wait until the election and get the boot from the Australia public.

      Commenter
      dsr99
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:58PM
      • Noone's quitting immediately - she's saying the loser should not contest their seat at the election.

        Commenter
        jofek
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:09PM
    • Firstly, don't believe those polls - that's Liberal voters causing problems - they know a spill will help them. Second, the supports of Rudd are the ones who should quit if he loses.

      Commenter
      Sonofswift
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:58PM
    • Ms Gillard says her values, purpose and discipline are the reasons why she should remain leader. - Telling porkies is a VALUE ay. Not one i endorse.

      Commenter
      GoRudd
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:56PM
    • Abbott can't beat Rudd at the polls unless the polls change.

      After Rudd becomes defacto PM tonight, rest assured all the talk will turn to the competency of Abbot Vs Turnbull, being the real election competition it was always meant to be.

      Abbot and Gillard are just pre-show entertainment.

      Sad to think that poor old Tony Abbott may never ever get to be PM.

      Commenter
      Bondy
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:55PM
    • Gillard must be sweating on McTernan's scripts for her for tonight, otherwise she has nothing to say.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:55PM
      • Like how you sweat on your scripts each morning?

        Commenter
        tasch2
        Location
        Mornington Peninsula
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:07PM
    • I am hoping Stephen Smith or someone new will step up. Labor needs a new face to get out of this.

      Commenter
      Chris
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:55PM
      • Like Malcolm Fraser, as he no longer a Liberal Member as he done the right thing and resigned.

        Commenter
        keith
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:29PM
    • If you DARE challenge me and LOSE .... you are OUT of politics forever!

      So much for democracy union style.

      Commenter
      Martin Brooks
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:53PM
    • What on earth has changed that would make Rudd stand? He's happily sat back and watched the ALP implode around him, why would he step in now, just in time to be annihilated in the poll? I sincerely hope he will stay in the wings, watching Julia and her puppet masters complete their own destruction.\

      Commenter
      starr
      Location
      rural NSW
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:52PM
    • Could be a set play to get Rudd out of the picture all together, as the loser goes.I hope it works - Rudd is really what stands between her and selling her government to the electorate.

      Commenter
      seamus
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:52PM
      • I don't recall Rudd signing up to retiring if he lost -- beside which, if he did & he did (lose that is) that would mean that the ALP would be left with no MPs in Qld (Oh - that would be good!)

        Commenter
        Cynic
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:11PM
    • Anyone remember The Chasers taking the piss out of the Kevin07 slogan?

      Crean13
      CostelloNever?

      Anyone remember?

      Commenter
      xavier
      Location
      melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:52PM
      • No we don't sorry

        Commenter
        Genghis
        Location
        Lounge
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:22PM
    • And the winner is..... Actually, the loser is: The Australian public, as we will be robbed of an extraordinary spectacle that has gone on for weeks and months. It is so sad this is coming to a head tonight.

      Oh, and what'll Kev 07 do if he's not going to be the winner? Be the next ambassador to Tadjikistan or the new head of Wikileaks?

      Commenter
      slow_food
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:52PM
    • Yes, let Rudd assassinate Gillard tonight hopefully, she's got it coming. Then when the election date comes around regardless of who wins tonight, we will see the last of this incompetent, egomaniac & irrational Govt. Bring it on!

      Commenter
      Glenda
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:51PM
    • Tony Abbott must be praying that PM Gillard stays, it is the only chance he has to be PM. I hope the Labor power brokers can see that Mr Rudd is the only chance to stop Mr Abbott and his lack of vision for this great country. Plus maybe Mr Rudd can finally show common sense on gay marriage and making that a reality.

      Commenter
      Balwyn Calling
      Location
      Elwood
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:50PM
      • Yes. Rudd was so competent.

        Commenter
        Denny
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:04PM
      • Rudd or Gillard. Makes little difference. This rabble has gone on long enough. Maybe if Rudd hadn't chicken out last time, there could have been time to repair Labor brand. But its just a mess. Its clear that Rudd has sought revenge for the knifing. Lets hope he doesn't chicken out again. The whole thing is laughable.

        Commenter
        Sarah from Carnegie
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:05PM
    • Thanks again for the great coverage Stephanie! I note that the mystery petition was AGAIN invented by the LNP chief political correspondent, Peter Hartcher. Surely he must, himself, resign if we don't see evidence of this petition. How many times can you be so far off the mark.

      Commenter
      Thomas44
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:50PM
      • KEV KEV KEV, Leadership on a lie, I WONT CONTEST LEADERSHIP AGAIN. If voters cant trust that word they cant trust anything you say PUSHED INTO IT YES, But into a party that can get anywhere in the election, and most your party secretly against you but selecting you only try hold losing seats. Lets see how dumb voters are to believe this is good on election day

        Commenter
        brian
        Location
        glenroy
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:03PM
      • WHAT IF: Julia supporters decided to lie and pretend they support Rudd, but know at the very last minute they wont, whilst luring an ultimatum Rudd he will resign if unsuccessful. MIGHT BE A SLY TRAP

        Commenter
        brian
        Location
        glenroy
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:09PM
    • And the favourite in race 5 at Shepparton Greyhounds tonight is "Coup d'Etat"...seriously

      Commenter
      Captain Kirk
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:48PM
    • Hope this sideshow doesn't clash with the State of Origin. Know what I will be watching.

      Commenter
      Campbell
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:48PM
    • Good luck Kevin if you are going to challenge gillard!

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      Never Never Land
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:47PM
    • I admire Gillard's tactical smarts. Despite catching the Rudd camp with their pants down last time I wouldn't mind betting she has managed it yet again. She is far more decisive than Rudd. I hope that however on this occasion the Ruddites are somewhat more organised than last time as I think she has to go even if Rudd is the alternative. If Rudd doesn't stand he has to resign.

      Commenter
      Altered
      Location
      Esperance
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:47PM
      • Spot on. Gillard certainly knows how to play politics. Sadly, we the Australian public do not want to play with her, but we just have no choice in the matter. THink of all the time wasted in front of the camera and the iceberg beneath of time wasted behind the scenes in this endless internal fight. If only they could have focussed on their real job - to govern our country.

        Commenter
        Michael
        Location
        Lane Cove
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:12PM
    • The current political farce shows what a joke the Australian so called democracy is.
      It is a system designed for powerful bastards to manipulate the rubble and the stupid public still tend to believe that we a have a say in running the country.
      God save the Queen? here you are - you got it now in a full blossom.

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:46PM
    • At least calling on the loser to leave takes away one of the issues in voting for labor, another three years of this ridiculous debate which just takes confidence away from moving Australia forward.

      A guess the big question will be whether the loser accepts that condition or not.

      Commenter
      bjg9871
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:45PM
      • Yes, they don't have to.

        Commenter
        thereisnoyouinLabor
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:52PM
    • You would have to be a rusted on Labor voter (also chained) to believe that this woeful excuse for government deserves one more day in office regardless of who is in power.

      Rudd has been organising his revenge for a long time. Gillard could simply outsmart him by going to the GG this afternoon and calling for an election. This would drop him in his tracks and relieve us of the government 6 weeks earlier. C'mon Julia, do it and fix ol' Kev

      Commenter
      MVF
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:45PM
      • You seriously think that the LNP under Abbott, which includes the likes of Mirabella, Pyne, Bishop, Bernardi.......the list goes on......., is a good alternative to govern this country???????? What did they slip you?

        Commenter
        donab
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:04PM
    • Can they both retire?... PLEASE!!!

      Commenter
      Dano
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:44PM
    • Why do this State of Origin night?

      Commenter
      Pencil
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:44PM
      • I will be downing some beer and pizza. Good luck to this bad government. The era of the Socialist Handout is over!

        Commenter
        Liberator
        Location
        SEQLD
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:56PM
      • Yes, back to taking from the old and the poor and handing it out to high income earners and the rich. Cant wait.

        Commenter
        Big Noddy`
        Location
        Glebe
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:03PM
    • What's it matter?
      Both Julia and Kevin will leave parliament on a pension of $1.2 million per annum for the rest of their lives.
      Reckon they need - or deserve it?

      Commenter
      D@GP
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:44PM
    • Thank goodness. Another final word on the issue.

      Commenter
      James
      Location
      Bray Park
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:44PM
      • Woman of Steel.........

        Commenter
        Surendra
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:10PM
    • Wow! A retirement bout! Haven't heard of one of those since Rowdy Roddy Piper took on Adrian Adonis in Wrestlemania 3. Can't wait to see this one....

      Commenter
      Reichman
      Location
      Essendon
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:44PM
      • Ah the good ol' days when the WWF was on free-to-air. God I miss my wrestling.

        Commenter
        daffy
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:55PM
    • Pulse team - busy day, great job.

      Have you stocked up on coffee and ordered in Portia's ? Hopefully you'll see it through.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:44PM
      • Hacka

        Who, or, what's Portia? And how does one order her in?

        Is this a Canberran allusion to the Merchant of Venice?

        Pound of flesh, maybe?????

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:25PM
      • Louis - it's a local and popular Chinese restaurant.

        Commenter
        Hacka
        Location
        Canberra
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:45PM
      • Hacka

        Who, or, what's Portia? And how does one order her in?

        Is this a Canberran allusion to the Merchant of Venice?

        Pound of flesh, maybe?????

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:25PM
      • Louis - it's a local and popular Chinese restaurant.

        Commenter
        Hacka
        Location
        Canberra
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:45PM
    • Tony Abbot will be Prime Minister regardless of the outcome of tonight's ballot. However, the issue for both Labor and the country will be the size of his majority and therefore the way he acts in government.
      If Julia Gillard goes to the election as PM Labor will most likely be out of office for a very long time. Kevin Rudd may limit the loss, which will still probably be substantial. However, without Senate control Abbot's options will be much more limited. Given that the electorate still has significant doubts about Abbot, voters will want to keep him under sort of control - Rudd leadership of Labor allows that. Surely majority in the caucus must see this?

      Commenter
      SteveO
      Location
      Beaumaris VIC
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:43PM
      • a pragmatic view on things..Rudd will ease the loss and help stop Abbott with his religious views influencing the governing of the nation

        Commenter
        dieseldoc
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:26PM
    • Rudd is easily winning the poll on here 53% to Julias 12%... Of course more people wont Rudd back, Julia has done a horrible job for this country. I hope Rudd gets it and I hope he wins in Sept!

      Commenter
      JED
      Location
      Syd
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:43PM
      • Thank God the world is not run by "click" polls. Or maybe it is...

        Commenter
        BeachBoy
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:51PM
      • Well there is a hope for a dismissal pathetic future, obliterated with so much B.S, it is hard to comprehend any alternative for good old Labor and it's smoke and mirror scams.

        Don't tell me, you actually believe labor climate change policy is not a scam, right?

        Commenter
        Pen of hrba
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:57PM
    • leave politics? please make it gillard
      leave politics? please make it gillard

      Commenter
      leave politics? please make it gillard
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:43PM
    • Netball, rugby? This is what our politicians get up to on the last sitting day of Parliament? No wonder this country is going to hell in a hand basket.

      Commenter
      Catherine
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:42PM
    • Good luck, Julia!

      Commenter
      less
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:41PM
      • She'll need more than luck what with all of that sexism and abortion being the plaything of men. How many women are there in caucus?

        Bye Jool's happy camping near the lake. Take up fishing, you can blame the one that got away.

        Commenter
        Pen of hrba
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:15PM
      • Damn Iv'e missed the Bold and Beautiful?

        Commenter
        Pen of hrba
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:17PM
    • The captain always goes down with the ship .shuffling the chairs on the titanic will not change the outcome in September.this govt came in with a surplus and now owes billions.she is spending money on election promises she doesn't have.our children and grandchildren will be paying for their ineptness.the gonski report is three yrs old but it's pushed now! She robs the tertiary system - education to pay for education reforms?? Really..bring on September

      Commenter
      Red dragons
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:40PM
      • And during that time we have gone through the worst financial crisis since the depression. We would have been in a lot worse situation if the Liberal Party was in power. After the election, they will get the opportunity to bring the Budget in to surplus and claim how good they are. Easy to do in good times.

        Commenter
        Cambo
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:52PM
    • "Gillard will stand and is confident of winning" She just won't listen will she? She will make more good members fall on their swords in another round of vindictive payback if she does. There is just no hope as long as she is determined to stay in that seat and not care what damage is done.

      Commenter
      helenB
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:39PM
    • Yes; let Rudd show his real interests and character by accepting the challenge that the looser immediately retire.

      After four showdowns it is time for Rudd to demonstrate his real interest in the good of the country as opposed his own self interests.

      Commenter
      howardp
      Location
      Yass
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:38PM
    • If you need any help with the packing Jules just give me a yell!!

      Commenter
      Damian
      Location
      Bundoora
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:37PM
    • Oh, my god. I am SO tired of this.

      And that includes the media CONSTANTLY stirring the pot.

      Commenter
      CityGirlmovedBack
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:37PM
      • +100

        Commenter
        Magnus
        Location
        Abbotsford
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:52PM
    • The caucus faces a choice tonight, face a "new" leader or face electoral oblivion.

      Commenter
      Megalania
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:37PM
      • or both!!!!

        Commenter
        Red Juliar
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:50PM
      • True dammit, but why can't someone else within the party end this merry-go-round and step up???

        Commenter
        xavier
        Location
        melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:50PM
      • "New" somehow this is a furphy

        Commenter
        Barbc
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:51PM
      • I agree! This is not about who should lead but who will achieve a better outcome for Australia and Labour . Julia owes it to all Labour voters to stand down to have any chance at all in this elections. Pro Julia supports must understand that the Australian public will not give her a majority of votes This is a fact.

        Commenter
        Michael
        Location
        St Kilda
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:53PM
      • or elect a "new" leader and face electoral oblivion

        Commenter
        ew75
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:08PM
    • On ya bike Gillard. Bye bye. bye bye.

      Commenter
      James
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:36PM
    • Big night of head-to-head clashes on the telly:
      7pm: Blue ties vs redheads - Go Blues!
      8pm: Blues vs Maroons - Go Maroons!

      Commenter
      deano163
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:36PM
      • +1

        Commenter
        thereisnoyouinLabor
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:39PM
    • My local member was part of putting and keeping Julia Gillard as the leader - I will NOT vote for her again for this reason - she has not listened to what her constituents want her to do. After a lifetime of Labor voting I'm voting Green and putting Labor last

      Commenter
      helenB
      Location
      Ballarat
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:35PM
      • Did she poll the entire electorate before the last ballot? What a trooper!

        Commenter
        tasch2
        Location
        Mornington Peninsula
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:39PM
      • a vote for the Greens is a vote for Labor when preferences are distributed

        Commenter
        tara
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:47PM
      • Tara, the person making the comment said she would put the ALP last so what you assert is not true, we all have a choice, even in the Senate if you are inclined to fill in every box. Do you understand how the electoral system works?

        Commenter
        tasch2
        Location
        Mornington Peninsula
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:57PM
      • And mine is a Ruddite and I won't be voting for her.

        Commenter
        Rosiedream
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:35PM
    • Absolute testimony once agin from al the fractured fragments spewed forth of the total success divide and conquer has achieved.The illusion of democracy in the minds of the disjointed thinkers is paramount to the future success of Republican imperialism globally.This nonsense being played out of the House is another sickening sample of their teamwork to deceive.

      Commenter
      Kane
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:34PM
    • She's smart in some things. Calls a vote to get them to decide now. Her leadersthip has been a complete waste of time. Next, Abbott needs to go! Hope Labor get it together enough to have a fair crack at Abbott, but Shorten caused all this mess. Maribyrnong better vote him out!!! Would prefer if Turnbull was running instead of Abbott to give us a real choice.

      Commenter
      Toni
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:34PM
    • Just wondering what the total number of people have drowned, a statistic labor doesnt want to mention. Julia we need another knitting day. I have got it, "knitting wars".

      Commenter
      How many boats arrived today?
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:31PM
      • That is a very good point. What are the statistics on gillard's watch?

        Commenter
        Sharron
        Location
        Never Never Land
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:39PM
      • Well there were about 300 in the last year, including 55 at at beaches I believe but surprisingly only 22 in pools.Inland waterways were the most dangerous however accounting for 104 deaths. Mind you with the floods in Queensland it is difficult to get a precise number.

        Commenter
        tasch2
        Location
        Mornington Peninsula
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:43PM
    • The loser should retire from politics? These people have really forgotten why they are there - they represent people - people voted for them to represent them - on what basis should those people be denied the representative of their choice because of internal party machinations and king making?

      Commenter
      helenB
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:31PM
      • What are you talking about? There's going to be an election in a month or so and parlt rises this week anyway, so how much representing do you think the MPs will be doing? Campaigning, more likely, which the putative replacements of all retiring MPs will be doing.

        God help us - can an IQ test be made mandatory before posting here?

        Commenter
        Doug
        Location
        Canberra
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:44PM
      • Conduct your own IQ TEST.
        Helen has a point.
        Preconditions for throwing your hat in?
        Ugly precedent.
        Almost a Trades Union approach

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:52PM
    • NBN, Gonski, Disability reform etc is being delivered with thanks to The Liberals, but Steve cannot accept this reality?

      Commenter
      keith
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:30PM
    • For all those State of Origin watchers tonight we really hope that the Labor leadership ballot doesn't go into golden point overtime.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:29PM
      • I'm more concerned about missing my nightly dose of Juanita

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:53PM
      • +1
        HA HA
        too funny

        Commenter
        Jack
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:57PM
    • Will the loser take the ball home and go home It would force a loss in a no confidence motion and install Tony Abbott as caretaker with a short sharp run to the polls

      Commenter
      Peterwalker58
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:29PM
    • Who needs reality TV when we've got this. That's my entertainment sorted tonight, off to get some ice cream and a 6 pack

      Commenter
      Sam
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:28PM
      • I am at work with an open packet of chips :)

        Commenter
        Kaboda
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:35PM
    • Then why doesn't gillard agree to an early election if she is so confident?

      Come on julia, call the election. I dare you, or don't you have the "guts"?

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      Never Never Land
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:28PM
      • Someone proposed a similar ultimatum to me once.... in Grade 3.

        I thought the election had been called? Earlier than required, or perceived if I may add.

        I believe the confidence referred to is in relation to a ballot for the leadership. How did you manage to conflate this with an election?

        Commenter
        tasch2
        Location
        Mornington Peninsula
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:35PM
      • An early election!

        Commenter
        Sharron
        Location
        Never Never Land
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:37PM
      • Calm down Sharron - there will be plenty of time for Abbott to ensure that you are made redundant shortly after he gets in...........whats that.........didnt you know, well when the cuts come in then unemployment will rise. Enjoy!

        Commenter
        Mark
        Location
        melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:38PM
      • Really Mark?

        Then maybe you should tell the good for nothing striking Melbourne university lecturers, they should be the first to go!

        Commenter
        Sharron
        Location
        Never Never Land
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:43PM
    • Has any one considered Kevin Rudd joining the Libs and then contesting the leadership? I mean no one really wants Tony Abbott

      Commenter
      mistaham
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:28PM
      • I do.

        Commenter
        thereisnoyouinLabor
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:37PM
      • That's what you think. real thinking people want a LNP government and an end to labor, no matter who id leader today!

        Commenter
        Enough
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:39PM
      • Yes, I said that very thing just the other day!

        Commenter
        CazMc
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:52PM
    • It's like watching a punch and Judy show

      Commenter
      Big joke
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:27PM
    • She will be leaving politics after the next election anyway so what is she risking?

      Commenter
      Jon
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:26PM
    • The only way this day could get more interesting is if Malcolm Turnbull nominated himself.

      The look on Abbott's face would be awesome.

      Commenter
      xavier
      Location
      melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:26PM
      • It's the best chance for Labor, that's for sure.

        Commenter
        bornagirl
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:36PM
    • So she wants the loser of the leadership ballot to retire from politics?... Doesn't that mean vacating a labour seat? Not a smart move I would say. And who says anyone has to play by these rules?

      Commenter
      Walterlucy
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:26PM
      • Don't worry, there will be a LOT of Labor seats vacated come September!

        Commenter
        The Other Guy
        Location
        Geelong
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:47PM
    • Gillard has at least shown some leadership and strength in once more being up for the challenge.

      It would be good to see someone with balls leading the ALP but it may be Kevin Rudd instead.

      Commenter
      Oz
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:25PM
    • Move the election date says Tony Abbott. At last a policy we can ponder!

      How about your Coalition policy on where the cuts will be in Government?

      Commenter
      Rod
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:24PM
    • Watch out Kev the knifes are now being sharpened they will all turn on you. It is a set up

      Commenter
      abc
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:23PM
      • Yes he would be a fool to challenge her now. He will only be there to try and mop up her mess.

        Commenter
        J.G.
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:31PM
    • CALL HER BLUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Commenter
      Jon
      Location
      Melb
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:22PM
    • Woah, ballot tonight!

      My money is on Simon Crean for Labor leader... perhaps with KRudd as a puppet figurehead. :-P

      Commenter
      YMM
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:22PM
    • ‘A bit of policy fibre to go with all this leadership ice cream.’

      An appropriate metaphor.

      With Windsor and Oakeshotte resigning and Gillard about to be purged, it seems that The Australian Parliament is in the process of taking an almighty dump.

      It’s democracy in detox.

      Commenter
      Linda
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:21PM
    • A ballot at 7pm tonight!

      Let's hope they get it over with fast ... State of Origin night.

      Commenter
      Election now please
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:21PM
    • Gillard to retire if / when she loses. Sensible gesture. Rudd shoulld match it.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:20PM
    • yes, smart move Abbott to call for election to be moved forward..

      that way you'll be at an advantage because there won't be enough time for the many unenrolled young ppl to sort their paper work..

      & it's less time for you to bluff your way thru your non-existent policies.

      Commenter
      V0TER
      Location
      MELB
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:19PM
    • 81 attempts to wreck the joint - what a waste of time. Abbott wants the job without a debate - he's terrified of making mistakes. Anyone who votes for a man who makes an art of dodging scrutiny deserves everything they get.

      Commenter
      Rascal
      Location
      Geelong
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:18PM
    • Ballot's 7pm tonight.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:18PM
    • If the labor government didn't waste billions of dollars ,and kept on borrowing and wasting even more , then the LNP wouldn't have to cut to the bone as the incompetent labor mob keep saying .
      Stop this circus of leadership challenges and give the Australian people an early ellection. Australia needs a change of government not a change of labor leadership again.

      Commenter
      Benson Kane
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:17PM
      • stop the circus full stop and give us a credible and responsible government who put this country's best interests first

        Commenter
        Betts
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:28PM
      • Benson, we all get one vote - maybe try speaking for yourself rather than the whole of Australia.

        Commenter
        lanesend
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:30PM
      • What would you cut? And dont say NBN (not on the budget), pink batts/school halls (previous years). Maybe health or education? The pension? Defence?

        Commenter
        adsf
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:34PM
      • benson. Sorry to break the news but in QLD LNP gave us a bigger deficit that Labor ever did and a higher unemployment rate (as compared to movements nationwide). Now since QLD made a real mess of the economy with austerity Abbott has backed down and now supports Federal Deficits and stimulus spending. So there! A spending we will go.

        Commenter
        Flippered
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:44PM
    • Gillard doesn't need to talk about Labor leadership challenge as there is no challenge.

      Commenter
      keith
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:16PM
    • The only thing to come out of this fiasco should be Rudd resigning from politics. It may not look like it now, but Labour will win the election in September, and Julia Gillard will be Prime Minister.

      Commenter
      Notre Dame
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:16PM
      • If Labour (sic) does win the election, I hope they finally do something about the standard of spelling in this country.

        Commenter
        Robert
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:25PM
      • HA ! Can I place a bet with you?

        Commenter
        OZDean
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:26PM
    • me me i want my 2 bobs worth!
      Totally irrelevant, but i thought Ms Gillard looked stunning the other day, well done to her stylist. One thing is will i be fined for not voting if the person I want is removed by the choice of a bunch of people id cross the road to avoid and yet we have no say in any of it, for their paranoid antics, why cant people try and see the good things which have happened and not the bad things all the time, take the good with the bad, are we really living lives so appallingly, and imagine all the money that will be wasted if we change powers, yes yours and you over there, millions will be thrown away its disgusting.

      Commenter
      katie
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:13PM
      • You are right...totally irrelevant.

        Commenter
        thereisnoyouinLabor
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:16PM
      • Katie

        Thanks for advancing the cause of women.

        Good luck with the HSC.

        Knit - on

        Julia

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:21PM
      • Like it or lump it, sunshine. We vote for parties here, not personalities.

        Commenter
        YMM
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:25PM
    • If Victoria gets more Gonski money then NSW will want more and so will everyone else...never ending story.

      Commenter
      thereisnoyouinLabor
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:12PM
    • "Same ship of fools different captain"
      The Government is not one person so it won't make a difference who will leader.

      They are all spineless. Watching them scurry in panic and put back a leader they all stabbed in the back because he seems a more popular choice demonstrated the deficit of integrity in parliament. What a bunch of Carpetbaggers

      Commenter
      Nicolas
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:07PM
    • The scary thing is, if Rudd gets back in, people might actually be dumb enough to vote Labor under the impression that it's a new government.
      Rudd or Julia, it doesn't matter. The Labor party is a shambles filled with hatred and backroom deals and it will drive this country into the ground if they're reelected.
      The sold out Rudd because they hated him, and now they'll sell out Julia to save their jobs.
      They're not doing what's best for the country, they're doing what's best for themselves.

      Commenter
      PWat
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:07PM
    • Hasn't Tony already given his?...Don't tell me Oakeshott gets one too? Life3 is too short.

      Commenter
      thereisnoyouinLabor
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:06PM
      • Windbag Windsor will ramble on. Maybe he can apologise for his repeated slurs and abuse of people under parliamentary privilege.

        Commenter
        Nulla
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:19PM
    • A disunited Labor Party is still a whole lot better than a stable vacuum of Liberals.

      Commenter
      meatatarian
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:06PM
      • True. I think the Labor debarcle is a disgrace but the Opposition want to walk in without earning the job and without a single policy. To think we have hit such a low where a man as unstable as Tony Abbott might actually become prime minister.

        Commenter
        Rigmarole7
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:39PM
    • Peter Hartcher has reported that ALP MPs are circulating a petition seeking a leadership ballot. Stephanie Peatling has reported that "no reporter seems to be able to find a single Labor MP who has seen the petition."

      So is this whole thing a Fairfax beat-up?

      Commenter
      Kywong73
      Location
      Sydney (Northern Beaches)
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:06PM
      • I don't think so..the ABC is running ongoing coverage.

        Commenter
        thereisnoyouinLabor
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:14PM
      • All media outlets that includes the ABC website and have since before 3.00pm

        Commenter
        terry
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:18PM
      • Another MSM beatup but good on her for calling it.

        Commenter
        Moorie
        Location
        sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:29PM
    • Any actual evidence of this dossier, or do we have to take Hartcher's word again...

      Commenter
      jj81
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:03PM
      • All media outlets are reporting there is petition going around for a vote in caucus for the leadership of the ALP.
        Of course all ALP politicians would say they have not seen it as they do not what to outed.

        Commenter
        terry
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:16PM
    • re; Preferred Prime Minister

      They're on the back straight and K Rudd is nearly 5 lengths ahead of J Gillard or put it another way nearly 5 times as popular according to today's The Age Poll. 26 June 2013 with over 10,000 votes counted so far.

      Rudd
      53%
      Gillard
      11%

      Commenter
      JB
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 4:00PM
    • Thar she blows?

      Abbott asks Gillard a question about leadership and she waffles on for several minutes about Gonski. Never mentions the open letter signed by over a thousand Australian professors asking her to abandon plans for $2.3 billion worth of cuts to the university sector.

      Not a word passes her lips of her plan to fund Gonski will remove $900 million from university grants and save $1.4 billion by converting student scholarships into loans and removing discounts earned for upfront payment of HECS fees.

      She totally ignored the fact that university students will foot more of the bill for their studies, with Student Start-up Scholarships to help cover expensive textbooks and equipment to be converted to a Higher Education Contribution Scheme (HECS) loan from next year, to the tune of $1.2 billion. And God forbid she should mention that students who go on to earn A$49,096 or more will have to repay that start-up money as a loan, on top of their HECS debt.

      One would think that by dodging the question in the first place by addressing the Gonski scam that she would tell all instead of her perceived goody goody bits. Like the states having to pay a third of Gonski costs as well as ripping off university students.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:55PM
      • Still better than Abbott, who is on record as saying he will revoke the extra Gonski funding to primary schools without returning any of the funding that was cut from tertiary education

        Commenter
        Cffndncr
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:14PM
      • yea she's a yarn spinner alright

        Commenter
        Benson Kane
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:20PM
      • What are Tony's plans for education, just out of interest?

        Commenter
        Curious
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:24PM
      • @ Cffndcr When has he said this?

        Commenter
        Craig
        Location
        Collingwood
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:33PM
      • Who cares about discounts for up front fees. Who can afford to pay this way except the wealthy

        Commenter
        Marg
        Location
        Brunswick
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:58PM
    • I wonder is we are about to see a "well may they say, God save the Queen", moment and where is Norman Gunston when he is needed? I'm afraid that Julia could never deliver such a speech with a Gough like impact.

      Commenter
      Dean
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:52PM
      • No disgrace being outshone by the Kingston Town of oratory

        Commenter
        Peter Warrington
        Location
        Marrickville
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:38PM
    • Abbott could loose this election if Rudd gets in as leader. That will be the next topic, rest assured of that.

      Commenter
      JB
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:52PM
      • Not a chance.

        Commenter
        thereisnoyouinLabor
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:05PM
      • If Rudd wins then I doubt hers, Windsor's and Loadshott's votes will be available to him in a no-confidence vote.

        I.e. it will be a constitutional issue and either the GG will need to step in and/or Abbott will become caretaker.

        Commenter
        Richard
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:01PM
    • The whle thing is embaraasing. Call an election and let the people decide who the PM should be. Thats a democracy.

      Commenter
      mhadb
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:52PM
    • Abbott's feeling starved of media attention. Time for a suspension of standing orders so people don't forget what his voice sounds like.

      Commenter
      meatatarian
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:52PM
    • The Age Poll Live NOW
      Prefered Prime MInister Update

      Rudd
      53%
      Gillard
      11%
      A different candidate
      36%
      Total votes: 8565

      Commenter
      JB
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:51PM
      • Yeah because those polls are really accurate!

        Commenter
        Macca75
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:11PM
    • As soon as the ALP's self emoliation is completed the egotistical Greens will come out criticising both major parties and tell the Australian voters that voting Greens is the only option. Sickening thought isn't it?

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party/Greens La La Land
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:50PM
      • rather vote for the greens than a bunch of redneck liberals

        Commenter
        yogi
        Location
        melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:16PM
    • Not so much the night of the long knives, as the night of the blue pens? Does Labor really think that a late change in favour of the self professed 'saviour' of the party will actually help. Do us a favour, Kevin, declare your resignation and take up that position overseas. Then let the public decide the form and future of the ALP. The sheer arrogance of those stating that we cannot use the R word tells us just how out of touch with reality they have actually become. Governments lose office - oppositions do not win office - the government will hand victory hands victory to Abbott on a platter.

      Commenter
      Sonja, NSW
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:49PM
    • Poll Results so far: Who would give the Labor Party the best chance of winning the federal election?

      Rudd 52%
      Gillard 11%
      A different candidate 37%

      Told you it would get worse for the status quo. Time for change in the name of voters.

      http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-sits-pretty-as-labor-squabbles-20130626-2owgk.html

      Commenter
      Bondy
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:45PM
    • for the love of God why is it that Gillard seems to put her own career first before that of her country I am a great believer you govern to the best interests of Australia and be completely selfless, not govern what is it the best for your own job, then the party and then the country. Grow up Australia the bafoonery and incomptence must stop, throw the Gillard (aka back stabber) out so Australia can go forward and be served by a less self obsessed person.

      Commenter
      David Pavlovski
      Location
      Berwick
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:45PM
      • Albo, the Australian people are about to endure about a decade at least of ALP navel gazing.

        Commenter
        Fanta Pants
        Location
        Hong Kong
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:43PM
    • Will someone circulate a petition calling for the release of a LNP policy. You don't even need to cost them just release them and be prepared to articulate them in some detail. No more thought bubbles, no more 3 word slogans, a policy discussion. If we can find a journalist willing to drag themselves away from personalities we may even get some policy scrutiny.

      Commenter
      invamore
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:43PM
      • They'll release them in time for the election, as all Oppositions do.

        Commenter
        Fanta Pants
        Location
        Hong Kong
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:52PM
      • Fanta, I think they should quit while they are ahead, if the few released policies are anything to go by! Very few people like the policies they have seen. The polls simply indicate a childish swipe at Labor, not an endorsement of the Libs/Nats.

        Commenter
        Passionfruit
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:04PM
      • If the only policy that the opposition states is that they will undo everything that the current lot have done over the last six years, then that surely will be more than enough reason to vote for them.
        It would certainly make this a better country.

        Commenter
        Max
        Location
        Stafford Heights
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:27PM
      • Not sure where your coming from Majjk, you seemed to forgotten the special commission and all the recommediations that where implemented form that. All the Libs have 'is we will turn the boats around policy' - which tends to contrict the Indonesian governments postion - but hey the Libs wont naturally responds to how they are going to get around that are they.

        Commenter
        Graham
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:40PM
    • Hahahah

      JG, in reference to the Liberals: "Slogans rather than solutions to complex problems"

      Labor's solution to the boat people crisis:

      "There's some space over there, see if they'll fit."

      A solution to a complex problem indeed.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:40PM
    • Is there ever a time that Peatling makes anything but a positive comment about Gillard? Is she on team Anne Summers?

      Commenter
      paul
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:39PM
    • Is it possible that Gillard will jump in the car, head off to Yarralumla and give Abbott an election on August 3 ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:39PM
      • Oh please.

        Commenter
        Catherine
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:15PM
    • Minister for Infrastructure and Transport
      Minister for Regional Development and Local Government, Leader of the House, Albanese (catch my breath) makes a lot of noise for a guy who appears to have no time to attend to all of his portfolios other than his leader of the house role, which he revels.

      In a nutshell, the problem with Mr Albanese and his party, desperate defenders of a party leader always in crisis.

      Commenter
      timjackelton
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:38PM
      • Infrastructure spending has been at record levels since 2007. The previous infrastructure minister was asleep under a bridge.

        Commenter
        Doug
        Location
        Canberra
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:45PM
      • seriously Malik - labor is passing innovative nation building legislation even as we speak, the Libs have no policies and you think that the Labs have the problem? One eyed anyone?

        And can we please stop saying the Labs can't stop boat people - no-one can stop boatpeople - they are caused by push factors that drive them away from their homeland, not by a minor policy position change of the Australian government

        Commenter
        ew75
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:37PM
    • I AM SO OVER THE MEDIA! REPORT ON SOMETHING REAL! How many times to we need to hear that Rudd is going to take over Gillard - stop creating something out of nothing!

      Commenter
      Lisa
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:36PM
    • Abbott seems to have played things pretty sensibly to this point.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:36PM
      • Does the LNP pay you to sandbag? Or do you campaign for free?

        Commenter
        seamus
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:48PM
      • totally agree Hacka, I think hes doing a great job. Glad I didn't vote for rudd or Julia or rudd or Julia , hang on, who did you labor lovers vote for

        Commenter
        Genghis
        Location
        Lounge
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:09PM
      • Yep Abbott plays things sensibly by not opening his mouth, because as soon as he opens it sensibility goes out the window.

        Commenter
        MIkey
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:41PM
      • Malik - Did you see the reort the other day saying there is more people displaced in the world every day than seek asylum in Australia every year - I hope that puts your "problem" into some perspective!

        In other news on plans for the future the GOnski reforms have passed parliament but Napthiine & co still won't agree despite a Victorian school being closed this week becuase of general disrepair, asbestos & lead paint.

        Commenter
        Macca75
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:36PM
    • I wonder if the good peoople of Tamworth and Port Macquarie are going vote Labor at the next election? After all, their local members have been defacto members of the Labor party for some time now. Health problems, my cold foot!

      Commenter
      jrp
      Location
      Thailand
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:35PM
      • I am thinking that is a rhetorical question jrp, but in case it isnt, the people of Port Macquarie and Tamworth voted resoundingly for a NON Labor government last time and a fat lot of good it did us. So this time once the tars and feathers have been used up (if we can find Mr O or Mr W on election day) we will hand write NATIONAL Party on the forms we drop in the box in case our new local member decides to desert his principles too.

        Commenter
        DavidH9000
        Location
        Port Macquarie
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:00PM
      • Thanks, yes it was. It's a pity when the person elected disregards the wishes of the majority of the electorate and thinks that the people no longer matter. Never mind it won't be a hung parliament this time around (my opinion anyway). The independents 'day in the sun' is almost over.

        Commenter
        jrp
        Location
        Thailand
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:35PM
    • @Zen I never defended polls in 2010. They have always been statistically unsound and unreliable at best, and should not be listened to. I fear the polls dictate voting habits of the masses, rather than the other way around.

      Commenter
      Gabriel
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:35PM
    • Abbott the spoiled kid...didn't win the prize and hasn't stopped whinging! Show me the policy Tony, not slogans but fleshed out, costed policy...if you want to be seen as an alternative PM option.
      We all too soon forget Abbot knifed Turnbull...and became leader by just 1 vote...hardly inspiring...

      Commenter
      Gavroche
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:33PM
      • And yet has managed to do what no one in the Labor party can do - unite a party.

        The answer is simple - call an election and then the policies have to come out for scrutiny. I don't understand why supporters of the government ask to see opposition costed policies when we aren't even in an election. No opposition ever does that. Issue the writs, start the campaign and then we can all make objective decisions.

        Commenter
        Smokin Mo
        Location
        Ryde
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:54PM
      • The Libs plan for asylum seekers is what exactly? Stopping the boats by sending them back? Sorry just a slogan with no substance especially when the indo government laughs at it. The RAN will not do it so is TA going to hop in a zodiac with his budgie smugglers and fix a line to their bow and tow them himself? Please your blinkered take on policies or their lack is showing, please provide some policies the Liberals have that aren't encompassed in a slogan filled brochure of nothingness.

        Commenter
        Rob68
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:33PM
    • This craving for Rudd to be the next PM sickens me to the core. He ought to be called for what he is, a failed experiment with the the people a failed policy maker and a total failure as a human being. He ought to be heckled on evey corner as long as this stupid idea that he would ever be fit to be the PM. You aren't and we don't want this dudd!

      Commenter
      Phill Power
      Location
      Hong Kong
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:31PM
      • You are in the minority.

        Commenter
        Opinion Only
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:40PM
      • Phill, I don't think it's a craving for Rudd as PM, but more a craving to stop Abbott being PM...or at least, a PM with unfettered power. Not even any Libs I know want Abbott as PM: they all rather have Turnbull!

        Commenter
        Passionfruit
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:52PM
      • Untrue: the ALP will be wiped out either way. True Rudd SPIN.

        Commenter
        a1liam
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:55PM
      • No he's not. I used to respect K Rudd not anymore.

        Commenter
        Dirk Dredd
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:56PM
      • Passionfruit, you know a lib? Very funny!!!

        Commenter
        Already Reflected
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:20PM
    • Not surprised Anna Burke's mum is visiting the chamber - probably the last time she will be able to see her in that chair

      Commenter
      helenB
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:28PM
    • hi speaker's mum!!!

      Commenter
      jetissah
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:27PM
    • Gillard has not got the Vic government on side, unless they cough up another 7 billion! The budget is in a mess. What will Qld, WA, Tas and NT want more?

      Commenter
      Malcolm
      Location
      South East
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:27PM
      • That's because Victoria is broke and Napthine is trying to wring every last dollar he can get out of whoever he can.

        Commenter
        Kerry
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:52PM
      • Don't worry water is going up 25% thanks to Labor's desalination white elephant, trumpeting millions of tonnes of pollution into the sea and into the air.

        Back to Friday night bath times and sharing bath water. Good old Labor did it again.

        Commenter
        Pen of hrba
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:00PM
    • Albanese was excellent as usual. Passionate, funny and full of facts! What a shame I've moved out of his seat to that of the hapless Hockey.

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Alas, no longer Albo's seat
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:23PM
      • Passionfruit,

        If you had watched QT over the last 3 years you would have heard the exact same words from the great Albo. He has not added to anything whatsoever.

        Commenter
        beasleyst
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:32PM
      • suggest you move on then...

        Commenter
        the drover's dog
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:38PM
      • Albo is a one trick pony. Shrills and stamps his feet whenever he's asked to put some muscle on the floor. As Transport Minister I still can't work out what 's done. He's a convenient politician, supports something when it is of no cost or matter to hm but when the heat is on he turns to water, ie: Sydney 2nd Airport.

        He knows how to navigate his way around a dysfunctional party though. He is from the NSW ALP and is married to Carmel Tebbutt, former Deputy Premier of NSW during the Rees and Keneally years....

        Commenter
        Fanta Pants
        Location
        Hong Kong
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:41PM
      • beasleyst, I have been watching. That's why I used the words "as usual". As for the rubbish spouted by Abbott and Pyne...only facts I hear are those related to the leadership drama. The funny thing is that the Labor shemozzle still produces better policies for our country than the seemingly disciplined other side.

        Commenter
        Passionfruit
        Location
        Alas, Hockey is my member
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:43PM
      • Use your vote wisely!

        Commenter
        Caligula
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:44PM
    • I think Tony Abbott and Chris Payne are trying to save Julia Gillard . Hysterical . They certainly ripped into K . Rudd lol

      Commenter
      Jack
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:23PM
    • I am a labor voter if Rudd gets in I will be voting Greens.

      People may think Latham is crazy but he was right about Rudd.

      Rudd only been about de-stabilizing the present govt. He has no interest in governing Australia just destroying the labor party. He purely wants revenge for being dumped.

      The current media, all journalists if you can call them that owe the Australian people an apology for not doing their job. Ignoring the leadership speculation and getting on analyzing the govt.and opposition policies.

      We have a govt. that allowed Australia to avoid the GFC unlikely other countries.

      We have lower inflation, close to full employment. Yet we are still whinging.

      The mining industry was not seen for what they were greedy.

      So glad the old media is dieing we may get media commentary that questions Abbott's motives for being so negative.

      I do agree though Gillard has been lackluster in attacking the opposition and getting her point across. But could be sexism, we the public are not use to a female PM.

      Commenter
      AnthLC
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:23PM
      • Nice bit of cherrypicking there, AnthLC. Do you also support Labor's and the Green's policies for open borders? Google "Dandenong asylum seeker crisis" and see how well those policies are working out there.

        True humanitarians we have in Parliament.

        Commenter
        Malik the magic sheep
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:29PM
      • Google results.

        No results found for "Dandenong asylum seeker crisis"

        Commenter
        AndrewE
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:41PM
    • Alabanese invoking the signs behind TA again. Lol, find something new! They're so bankrupt of ideas, they need to keep trotting out the same old criticisms that have nothing to do with anything.

      If the Libs wanted to join them in the gutter, they would merely invoke the hundreds of deaths at sea. But oh no, some idiotic signs behind the leader of the opposition present a far greater crisis of conscience to the ALP.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:22PM
      • Ha ha, good one Malik. As if the Opposition haven't spent the last 3 years in the gutter. Brilliant; one of your best.

        Commenter
        jofek
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:33PM
      • Malik, in those few lines you have summed up what is wrong with every Liberal voter. You trot out about the signs behind TA and say Labor keeps complaining about it, it's the first time in months that is has been mentioned.
        Every day we here from TA, JH, CP, JB and every other Liberal/National about the Carbon Tax. Get over it, move on, please, please try and come up with something new.
        Like a policy for........., well anything really, we still haven't heard any.

        Commenter
        Mathew
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:35PM
      • Matthew - can you count - the first time? Maybe the first time for Labor ears. Has not JG talked about it in her famous 'blue tie' speech and was it not incessantly repeated by Labor? Mate, if you want to attack people get your facts right ....

        Commenter
        ET
        Location
        Lakesland
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:46PM
      • Malik, she mentions it is speeches to show the character of TA, not that she really needs to, his character should be well known.
        What is TAs health care policy?
        What is his education policy?
        What is his infrastructure policy?
        What is his IR policy?
        What is his jobs policy?
        What is his asylum seeker policy?

        Commenter
        Mathew
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:53PM
      • Matthew

        "What is his asylum seeker policy?"

        That sums up everything for you, you have not listen to anything.
        For the last three years he has said he will turn back to the boats. Under Gillard the have been 33000 asylum seekers and she said she would stop them.

        Commenter
        terry
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:29PM
      • I think jofek should stand for PM and fight out the election. He will then finally realise how irrelevant he is also.

        Commenter
        housemartin
        Location
        Hong Kong
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:29PM
    • "For the past three years, we've put up with the longest dummy spit in Australian political history."

      Make that two of the longest dummy spits, Anthony.

      Commenter
      Cameron
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:22PM
      • Albo, the Australian people are about to endure about a decade at least of ALP navel gazing.

        Commenter
        Fanta Pants
        Location
        Hong Kong
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:43PM
    • How, Mr Abbot, does one have meetings behind closed doors while standing in corridors?

      Commenter
      Rudd is a troublemaker
      Location
      Ringwood
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:19PM
    • Seems a certain group of people are the only ones with no say in who runs the country. The electorate.

      Commenter
      Julian
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:18PM
    • The PM is so very pleased she has nearly achieved her ambition of a lifetime - to compromise the system. No wonder she appears calm.
      and the system has paid and will pay her handsomely to do it.
      I would be as strong under those circumstances. Who would not.

      Mr windsor has said Mr Abbott offered him everything but his arse to join with him 3 years ago. Often pondered what he was offered by the Lab lot.
      I will never forget he sold his farm to a coal mine, or the lame excuse he used.
      Or that he was photographed in spain with Mr Oakshott standing next to solar panels. most educational

      Commenter
      S K Ared
      Location
      ACT
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:17PM
      • The nerve of these blokes, being photographed standing by SOLAR PANELS!!! Quick, someone alert ASIO they might be commies!!!!!!!

        Commenter
        Sydney Sam
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:42PM
    • ROFL

      Albanese talking about Labor's plan for the future, while accusing the Libs of having none.

      Maybe Labor's plan for the future could start with addressing the boat people problem. But then again, isn't that a plan for the past? The past three years? The three years they've had an opportunity to do something? They've done nothing and they have the hide to accuse the Libs of having no policies.

      Brb, I'm laughing my head off.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:14PM
      • Hey Malik it might get even better - Swannie might stand up and start talking about future surpluses he'll deliver.

        Commenter
        Hacka
        Location
        Canberra
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:19PM
      • It is Labor's policies that are preventing us from having a good future. They can't fix our borders, and are mortgaging our future by spending like drunken sailors. When the libs are in and start paying off the debt we can be optimistic about our future's

        Commenter
        Let's Make Sandwiches
        Location
        Wollongong
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:21PM
      • Albo has had the same speech every single time he has stood up in this parliament. Nothing new.

        Commenter
        beasleyst
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:22PM
    • Scenario 1 Rudd ousts Julia, loses the election, is held responsible and replaced by Shorten.
      Scenario 2 Rudd ousts Julia, wins the unwinnable election, is considered a liability in government as he isnt popular in the Caucus and is replaced by Shorten.
      Scnario 3 Rudd fails to oust Gillard, Labor lose in a catastophic landslide, Julia resigns and is replaced by Shorten.

      Whichever scenario, Shorten ends up leading the party and whenever he is asked a question will answer Ithat Gillard has answered that and I agree with her answer even though I havent heard her answer! What a future Labor has.

      Commenter
      DavidH9000
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:13PM
      • I believe Mr Shorten is carrying significant reputational risk in relation to his character that may well emerge to put an end to his ambitions.

        Commenter
        Marcel
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:19PM
    • So if they can't find a single MP who has seen the petition, basically this story is yet another beat-up by the media then? So sick of the manufactured scandals on a daily basis.

      Commenter
      Herself
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:13PM
    • The election is on September 14, Tony.

      Shut up.

      Commenter
      Pete
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:12PM
      • Don't be so sure Pete, it could be much earlier than that... just depends how woefully the ALP handle this.

        Commenter
        Fanta Pants
        Location
        Hong Kong
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:24PM
    • Abbot says he is tired of Labor Party deals being done in corridors behind closed doors. Weird architecture in Parliament House?

      Commenter
      The Architect
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:12PM
    • Anthony Albanese once again playing the man, not the policies.

      How's that tactic working for you Labor?

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:11PM
      • Hard to argue against policies which are not existant. Will the opposition release its raft of policies before August 3rd? I doubt it unless its in the form of a slogan filled, pander to the ill informed brochure.

        Commenter
        Rob68
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:28PM
      • Rob, like labor you need to stop navel gazing and see the facts. The coalition have lots of policies. Itssad that labor are too stupid or too caught up in themselves to look for them.

        Commenter
        Denny
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:34PM
      • In the absence of any policy from the opposition and the refusal to publish the many successful policies of the Labor party by the press the only thing Labor can fight is the Liberals behaviour in the past and on that they have a lot of ammunition.

        Commenter
        AustraliaFirst
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:35PM
      • Wow talk about cognitive dissonance. You do realise that the Coalition have been playing 'the woman' for the whole of this government's term. Another ijit.

        Commenter
        Code Red
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:38PM
      • Can you reference a few of those policies then Denny? Or are you just rambling rubbish. Name me three coalition policies. Their Paid Parental Leave Scheme? What a poorly constructed solution to a problem or if we are to talk straight talk a blatant bribe

        Commenter
        Kilkenny
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:04PM
      • You mean like this 50 page document outlining the Liberal policies that is freely available on their website, Kilkenny?
        http://tinyurl.com/br6366c

        Keep ranting about how bad the Liberals are though. One or two people might listen if you're lucky...that is if they didn't witness the Labor debacles of 2010 or 2013.

        Commenter
        Jiminy
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:54PM
    • SO - if K Rudd is successful but cannot secure the support of the cross-benchers and Tony Abbot becomes PM - how long until a new election has to be held? At that point surely everyone will realise how much they detest Tony and either Kev will win a landslide victory or the Libs will dump Tony in favour of Malcolm and everyone will be (relatively) happy?

      Commenter
      Shine
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:10PM
    • Chris Pyne, why don't you tell us who is laughing at this government? On what basis is this government a shambles? All we have from the Liberals, as usual, is random assertions accepted as fact because they can and they can get away with it.

      Commenter
      ab
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:10PM
    • There was a reason why Rudd was toppled in the first place. This was not only the slide in the polls. Senior ministers in the government judged that this slide was due to Rudd being dysfunctional, which was most evident to his colleagues, and that he is not mentally fit for the position. This is why they took the risky course of removing him. Now some of them are panicked into reinstalling someone who has been judged drastically unsound by his colleagues because of his alleged popularity. Rudd's narcissism is out of control. He is the chief cause of this disaster and chaos, not just the incompetence of the remaining Labor ministry.

      Commenter
      Marcel
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:10PM
      • Couldn't agree more! Rudd has been "stirring" the pot since he was booted out. A leopard doesn't change its spots - I hope Rudd loses the vote and resigns. I am sick of his undermining.

        Commenter
        John
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:48PM
    • No one has power. The politicians who toe the line and follow the party have no power - only a job. They do as they are told. No one can do anything without public scrutiny. There's no power at stake here - it's a farce.

      Commenter
      Gabriel
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:09PM
    • Is Christopher Pyne offering jogging advice - how to exit the chamber with the speed of a gazelle ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:08PM
    • Under our constitution, what we have now is a perfectly legitimate minority govt. What Abbott is saying now is purely false and an attempt to persuade Australians that it's wrong and this is disgraceful, just because very few Austalians even know how our parliamentary system works. Shame LNP

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:07PM
      • You cannot be serious.

        Commenter
        Dave
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:16PM
      • Dave, you prove JT's point.

        Commenter
        jofek
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:36PM
    • Is there a petition? Isn't there? C'mon Third Estate we rely on you for some consistent information. Surely this isn't another false start? Julia for all her strengths should look more worried than she does if the information you feed us is correct. I'm starting to think that perhaps Shorten has set Rudd up.

      Commenter
      Altered
      Location
      Esperance
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:06PM
    • Putting money into peoples bank accounts is just impractical! How can the government assure that the $410 or $205 goes towards schooling items? won't it be better if they distribute it to the schools? I'm a high school student and i can see that it won't be beneficial... What a waste of taxpayers money.

      Commenter
      Andrew.24
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:05PM
      • I see - so I guess you oppose tax reductions because we cant be assured people will spend them wisely (or at least , how you would like them spent)

        Commenter
        Jimmy G
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:16PM
    • "INDEPENDENT MP Bob Katter has dramatically thrown his support behind Kevin Rudd to take the Labor leadership."

      The Australian

      Commenter
      Rob
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:03PM
      • see Stephanie's entry at 11.32am

        Commenter
        The Mod
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:08PM
    • Can we get rid of the polls please? Julia Gillard is an okay PM and we shouldn't be trying so hard to oust her because of "a few polls". They are not statistically sound and should not be taken as gospel.

      A change in leader won't necessarily change party policy. Politics should be about ideology, not personalities, and to bring that back we need to ditch polls.

      Commenter
      Gabriel
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:01PM
      • Agreed Gabriel!!

        Commenter
        Thomas44
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:21PM
      • Opinion polls were a good enough justification for Gillard to backstab Rudd and become Australia's first female PM,to loud cheers from feminists,who were happy to overlook treachery. Now the polls reflect badly on Gillard we should get rid of them?I don't think so!Payback is such a b....h!

        Commenter
        Zen
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:21PM
      • Give me a break! None of US tried to oust Rudd after poor polling - his own party did that without consultation and behind closed doors. And WE are not doing it now. The Labor party lives, breathes & exists for polls as it's often the only way to settle their warring factions - ergo, here we all are!

        Commenter
        the drover's dog
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:23PM
    • Agree with the Age editorial. Stand aside for the good of the country.
      This is not some schoolyard fight I don't care how tough she is, the Australian people do not want her nor should we give abbot an easy ride into office in both houses.

      Commenter
      freddy
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:59PM
    • Thank you Tony - better late than never for your motion of No Confidence. But will it succeed now??

      Commenter
      Rosie
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:58PM
    • Gillard and Combet ripping the arguments of the Coalition to shreds on the floor of the house.
      President Obama's Climate Action Plan has hit the Coalition hard.

      Commenter
      Staz
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:57PM
      • But there will be no USA carbon tax so you can compare the two systems.

        Commenter
        terry
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:09PM
      • Dont be silly - the opposition have no arguments. Just a silly chant about axing the carbon tax.....to replace it with a bloated expensive bureaucracy doling out money to companies on carbon mitigation projects that are totally unproven

        Commenter
        Jimmy G
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:09PM
      • what obamas plan is abbott light no sign of a useless carbon tax. read it mate

        Commenter
        85days to happiness
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:14PM
      • Yes in typical form dont let the truth be exposed, dont mention whyalla getting $650 million to keep it afloat, nor the 2 $billion in payments to polluters, nor the family assistance that allows people to keep warm at night, all that from labors "policy disaster fund" PDF and yours and my pockets. It Must feel good to lie and get away with it and call it determination, labor lemmings.

        Commenter
        they omit the 2 billion given away
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:27PM
      • The statement firmly puts climate change sceptics in a gelogical layer with the dinosaurs.

        Commenter
        Staz
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:32PM
    • It appears Oakshot and Windsor were aware that Gillard was not going to last the week and so have left the Titanic early.

      Commenter
      captain goodvibes
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:55PM
    • Gonski, historic education reform, ripping 2.8 billion from universities for school principals to spend at their discretion.

      Thirty more parking spaces for school staff? Yes please! Your education dollars in action.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:55PM
      • Gonski isn't going anywhere.

        There's no way QLD and WA are going to support it.

        Commenter
        Richard
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:16PM
    • Congratulation to PM Gillard on another breakthrough reform of education Gonski next. Fantastic performance, well done

      Commenter
      AustraliaFirst
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:54PM
      • Where is the money coming from?
        Already Uni's are the losers, who else will be losers?

        Commenter
        terry
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:12PM
      • You obviously know nothing about Gonski is....
        a) it is a funding reform, not an education reform in any way at all, in fact
        b) the principals can spend all the extra money anyway they choose.... new gardens, new carpet. there is no stipulation on how it is spent. Unmitigated pork barrel to the teachers federation and a complete waste of $5 biilion of taxpayers money.....

        Commenter
        Wayne D.
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:31PM
      • Hear hear!!

        Commenter
        Thomas44
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:34PM
      • Can you explain who will hold schools accountable? Garrett couldn't. It wust be another rort mishandled by labor. Gold medal for stupidity.

        Commenter
        Denny
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:36PM
      • Except we have no money to fund it!

        Free Ferraris for everyone!

        Commenter
        Frequent Flyer
        Location
        VIC
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:36PM
      • ...and singular congratulation to PM on ripping funding from the tertiary sector to help fund it. It's all smoke & mirrors

        Commenter
        the drover's dog
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:37PM
      • What breakthrough is that - the States will decide not her - more spin on the unfunded, unpayable drip like the NDI scam, Carbon Tax scam , NBN scam.........

        Commenter
        gc
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:39PM
      • Got any concerns about Gonski not being fully funded? Or any concerns that not all the States have signed up?

        Or any concerns about how the States will be kept accountable for reaching the educational objectives?
        Garrett couldn't answer that question on 7.30 last night.

        Commenter
        yys
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:45PM
      • Hmm, have to get the Sates on board first...after all Education is a state matter.

        Commenter
        thereisnoyouinLabor
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:53PM
      • 7 years of Labor and all we have is the Gonski legislation. Which if you read it staes it is not ENFORCABLE ! So just what has been achieved today ?

        Commenter
        abc
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:58PM
      • Only works if the states sign up....

        Commenter
        Cat
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:59PM
      • More like Custer's last stand

        Commenter
        Les
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:25PM
    • If ever there was a herd animal it's not the rat, it's the LNP posters who use the same tired old slogan time and time again and never seem to tire of it. It's about as hackneyed as the LNP's policies.

      Commenter
      Altered
      Location
      Esperance
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:54PM
    • Julia Gillard has been the subject of a long term sexist, nasty and abusive campaign which is now on the brink of success. I feel sorry for Julia's fate. But the ALP must now do something to limit the approaching electorate onslaught. Rudd does have street cred - its been an eye-opener on the news in recent weeks and he could change the electoral dynamics completely. The last thing the Opposition want is for Rudd to become PM. The more they will run a campaign of abuse against him, the more those swinging voters will embrace him. Lets face it -. its not about policies. It should, but it isn;t.

      Commenter
      Charlie Zero
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:53PM
    • Kevin Rudd should just tie a very big bow around his head as he is already the gift that keeps on giving for Tony Abbott

      Commenter
      dlg
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:52PM
      • Oh yes, and Gillard is just giving the Libs hell, right?

        *shakes head*

        Commenter
        Malik the magic sheep
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:07PM
      • Obviously you havnt seen the comparison polls between Gillard and Rudd. Rudd clearly would fare better against Abbott, so it would in his interest to keep her there.

        Commenter
        hotpie
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:09PM
      • Labour is not going to fare well against Tony Abbott not matter who is in charge but this stupid infightling is making it worse and sealing the deal.

        Commenter
        dlg
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:21PM
    • Watch out... Kevin is wearing a blue tie!

      Commenter
      Bob
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:51PM
    • Yay schoolkids bonus!

      "Mum can we get my new iPod now?"

      "Sure we can hon. We'll get an extended warranty as well."

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:50PM
      • Keep it up, worth a few thousand votes to the ALP there.
        I would never suggest how a high net worth individual should spend their money, never.

        Commenter
        Staz
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:01PM
      • Malik you have named yourself well-except for the magic part!!!

        Commenter
        Mr Mauricio
        Location
        Palm Beach
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:12PM
    • Ahahahaha, JG has just said where people are from Sri Lanka, they are promptly returned. What happens when a Sri Lankan says they're from Afghanistan? How would we know? They have no papers.

      Aren't we a gullible lot.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:49PM
      • Malik
        Some people actually have enough brains to tell the difference. Unlike the lemmings who chant "turn back the boats"

        Commenter
        Steve
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:06PM
      • Brilliant comment, Mr Sheep.

        Because it would be absolutely impossible for anyone in the immigration department to work out whether a person speaks Tamil or Pashto, wouldn't it?

        Well done.

        Commenter
        Reg
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:17PM
      • @Reg

        "Brilliant comment, Mr Sheep.

        Because it would be absolutely impossible for anyone in the immigration department to work out whether a person speaks Tamil or Pashto, wouldn't it?

        Well done."

        You mean the same way everyone in Australia speaks only English? Have you heard of Urdu? Spoken in Afghanistan, India, Pakistan and, in some cases, Sri Lanka.

        Well done Reg, well done.

        Commenter
        Malik the magic sheep
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:04PM
    • Please NOT Rudd.
      Rudd is NOT the solution to Labors woes. He's a contributor to them.

      Commenter
      ODCologne
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:48PM
    • Looks above at the real "chattering classes" and gets back to work.

      Commenter
      AndreP
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:46PM
    • Been away for a while - it it true that Malcolm is petitioning to replace Tony as Coalition leader? Something about 'I'm the only one with ideas on how to take the country forward?'

      Commenter
      rayo
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:45PM
      • They don't need to yet, Abbott is cruising in. If Rudd takes over though, Malcolm maybe an option.

        Commenter
        GoRudd
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:55PM
      • Apart from three word phrases Abbott has no idea how to run a Country but to ruin an economy he had the best advice from his predecessor

        Commenter
        AustraliaFirst
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:13PM
    • It's a shame politics will be all so boring agai in 80 days time.

      Commenter
      Chris
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:45PM
      • Boring ? Lets see how the dinosaurs handle social media when in Government, millions will remember what a gutless act abbott & the right wing media have been and will be heard continually...

        Commenter
        Big business
        Location
        illawarra
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:12PM
    • Gillard is awesome - all the pressure on her in the world, and yet she just gets on with it. She is a very cool customer. If she is knocked over, there will be no tears like Rudd, no leaks during his campaign, etc. What a shame her incredible legislative record in a minority government doesn't interest the media or the voters.

      Commenter
      Seamus
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:44PM
      • Agree with you Seamus!

        Commenter
        Melinda-Lee
        Location
        Auckland New Zealand
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:02PM
      • Yes.

        PM Gillard is an "amazing" Prime Minister.

        It's such a pity that the majority of the electorate, a substantial number of her own colleagues, and the Home Spinners and Knitters Guild can't see it.

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:10PM
      • Seamus,

        It's hard to feel pressure from the outside world, when you have no touch with the outside world!

        Commenter
        beasleyst
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:19PM
      • Spot-on Seamus! The only problem is she cant inspire people to recognise what she has actually achieved.

        Commenter
        Battered
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:21PM
    • My goodness, is this what we pay our politicians exhorbitant sums of money to do ? Photo at 2.35 pm, Rudd passing a note to Fitzgibbon, both giggling like little schoolkids.. Grow up people , you are representing your electorates, behave like you do give a damn about your job. And one of them wants to be PM, my goodness we are a nation of losers..

      Commenter
      Anti Ruddster
      Location
      Further down under the same rock
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:42PM
    • Labor would have been much better off if they had done nothing.
      Who cares.....an election can't come soon enough. Why on earth are we paying these people with my taxes

      Commenter
      RAM
      Location
      Qld
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:41PM
    • Hang in there Julia - hope that you will still be PM. Good luck to you!

      Commenter
      Melinda-Lee
      Location
      New Zealand
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:41PM
      • God Melinda, you're a Kiwi!
        This obsequious pro Gillard stance of yours is intriguing.
        Is it more to do with a shared interest in wool?

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:09PM
    • Oh isn't it good too see Labor and Liberal Supporters basing their comments on emotions rather then facts?

      Commenter
      keith
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:40PM
    • I think Julia has done a great job. Such a strong leader. However...let Abbott get his time in the next few weeks...lets see his real colours.....We have all been duped by the Abbott negativity broken record.

      Commenter
      neilbear
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:39PM
      • Fantastic job *golf clap / seal clap*

        Commenter
        Kaboda
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:51PM
      • His real colour is definitely blue. Its also my favourite.

        Commenter
        thereisnoyouinLabor
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:52PM
    • Watching Gillard in the parliament today she doesn't look as if she has a care in the world and she is performing well. It's hard to understand how such an intelligent woman has managed to get into the position she has, but I guess we are all our own worst enemies. She has to go but it is a pity as there is much to admire in her.

      Commenter
      Altered
      Location
      Esperance
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:37PM
      • Its called bloody mindedness.

        Commenter
        Malik the magic sheep
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:58PM
      • It is called leadership.

        Commenter
        Staz
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:06PM
    • Any one of the Labor trolls on here that actually believe that LABOR , GIllard, Swan or RUDD can economically run this country are kidding themselves ! Swan says Small business is Booming in Question time ? does he not know that 2000 close a month, bumbbling baffoons !

      Commenter
      DW
      Location
      BRONTE
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:35PM
      • Perhaps "labor trolls "depend on facts not unsupportable rumours, so far this issue has been unsupported by any factual data, a petition that doesn't exist a economy that is doing bad despite the facts Lets look at record growth, AAA credit rating Low unemployment, low inflation record infrastructure development and then say we have an incompetent Government to say otherwise is plain stupidity, but as they say never underestimate a crowds stupidity.

        Commenter
        AustraliaFirst
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:11PM
    • Mr Rudd should be prepared for a second backstabbing if he runs and wins the next election. Knowing how cunning Ms Gillard is, the only reason she would give up her seat is tactical.

      Commenter
      glorenz
      Location
      newtown
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:35PM
      • LOL - If she gives up her 'seat' she will no longer be an MP, thus making it impossible to 'knife' Rudd. As for Rudd he has spent three years doing little but sabotaging Gillard.

        Commenter
        Seamus
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:48PM
    • From SA June 26, 2013, 2:15PM saying yes to Rudd as Laboe Leader is saying yes to the Liberals in Government and Abbott as PM, if he doesn't stabbed in the back by Turnbull.

      And EA 26/6 stopping using The Media as your only source of information.

      PS To the person who called me mate, I cannot be your mate as you haven't pay me to be your mate and I don't be mates with a Liberal Member.

      Commenter
      keith
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:34PM
      • Keith, a mate would offer you a dictionary...

        Commenter
        Fanta Pants
        Location
        Hong Kong
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:56PM
    • The hilarious thing about this is that Rudd actually believes that he won't be knifed in the back AGAIN even if he does win the next leadership spill. Ruddy, give it a rest and let these buffoons go down. Then, if you really care about, and want to lead this country, the door will be wide open, and your mandate unquestioned.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:34PM
    • Not sure that you can say a Rudd return is about revenge - seems to me it is more about the fact that the polls are saying that he is their only chance and without him they are gone. On that basis how could he not run if a majority of caucus want him. To refuse to run in those circumstances would be churlish.

      Commenter
      helenB
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:33PM
      • I agree Helen. There might be an element of revenge, but this is only hope of making it a contest and avoiding annihilation. It's pathetic Gillard was too stubborn to step down, even more so that they knifed Rudd in the first instance as we would never have had a hung Parliament and Abbott wouldn't be the opposition leader I'll bet.

        Commenter
        daffy
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:41PM
    • What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

      Commenter
      middleway
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:32PM
      • Sometimes, but what kills you, kills you.

        Commenter
        Sammy B
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:38PM
      • What doesn't kill us now might well kill off our kids and grandkids though. Even if Abbott does do a better job with the economy (remains to be seen) he doesn't have the vision or strength to tackle big polluters and climate change. No-one will remember how big the deficit was under Swan vs Hockey when they can't breath outside.

        Commenter
        dismayed
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:31PM
    • No the polls show that women have not liked her standing up for them (how is that for irony) so that won't happen. I think that Rudd gets the women's vote as he is quite cheerful, is man (yes the electorate still hasn't got used having a woman in charge) and has a very successful wife so he ticks most of the boxes. If you think this sexist then just look at the way the electorate has belittled and attacked her personally o the last few years and you can see we are still in a last century world in terms of the electorate. Yes there have been women premiuers but without exception they have always been put into a bad situation that a man didn't want deal with.

      Commenter
      Lance
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:32PM
      • No Lance. The truth she is a backstabber and a liar (ok that's common to much of out parliamemt). BUT she has talked down and insulted thinking women with her bizarre rantings on abortion and was particularly offensive in playing the gender card when it suited her. That does not constitute statesmanship or an inspiring leader (male or female).

        Commenter
        Pat Rat
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:21PM
      • No Lance. The truth she is a backstabber and a liar (ok that's common to much of out parliamemt). BUT she has talked down and insulted thinking women with her bizarre rantings on abortion and was particularly offensive in playing the gender card when it suited her. That does not constitute statesmanship or an inspiring leader (male or female).

        Commenter
        Pat Rat
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:21PM
    • The Labor Party used to be better than this under Rudd and Hawke. Thanks Jules for reminding us why tonight is your last supper.

      Time for another misogyny or men-in-blue-ties speech ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:32PM
      • Life under Hawke and Keating was better but not under these two clowns.
        Can you imagine if this was happening if Keating was still around, there would be a large number of very sore bottoms and other places.
        The damage to the ALP that is now being caused would never have got out of caucus and there would be very in the media if hawke and Keating were around.
        There has always been a bit of hatred within the ALP but never has it been so bad and so open as it is now.
        The time has come for the Adults in the ALP if there are any left to knock heads together an have an election now as the ALP will continue to slide farther into the abyss with every passing minute.

        Commenter
        terry
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:54PM
    • Lets be altogether clear about this. Budget Paper 1 from 2013-14 states, at page 10-10, the following recent Federal budget expenditures as a proportion of GDP:

      Howard >> highest 26.2 (1996/7, last remnants of the Keating flyover); lowest 23.5 (1999/00); last 5 = 24.5 (5 years through 2006/7). Last year in office (2006/7) = 23.9, or if you prefer (2007/8) = 23.8.

      Rudd /Gillard >> highest 26.3 (2009/10; lowest 23.8 (2007/8, going out of office benefit /legacy of the Howard /Costello government); last 5 = 25.7 (through 2012/13); next 5 forecast, including 2012/13 (the last legacy of Swan) = 24.7, assuming that his figures were to ever hold up. Most recent 92012/13) = 25.1.

      Either way, unlike over at #Auspol twitterati (where they are suggesting that the swan expenditures are 23.8% of GDP, no more), the Swan legacy is actually 1.3 points of GDP higher on average than the corresponding legacy of Costello. That's the near $20 billion per annum costing difference between these 2 peculiarly different styles of government.

      Commenter
      Grant
      Location
      Mitcham
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:31PM
      • OMG Grant. Next you'll be saying that maybe Uncle Wayne has no idea what he is doing. Who would have thought?
        Oh well at least he'll have us back in surplus by (insert fictional future year here)

        Commenter
        Slick
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:44PM
      • The 'twitterati' are confused between the tax to GDP ratio and spending to GDP ratio. Swan's tax take is relatively low, but this is because he's financing much of his spending by borrowing.

        Commenter
        Aaron
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:45PM
      • ....and Howard/Costello paid back $90BN of Keating debt, $20BN surplus and $60BN into sovereign fund to boot !!

        Mind you, this is nickel-and-diming as far as the spending abilities of this idiotic Labour Govt. are concerned !!

        Commenter
        Richard
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:03PM
      • The net combined surpluses under the Coalition, even allowing for the Future Fund, tax cuts, etc, exceeded $96 billion. In half the corresponding time since then, Labor has lost (created a combined deficit) of $201 billion without even counting for the NBN, etc. Back in 1996, Howard had to make do on $141 billion in revenue. Today, however, Swan and Gillard cannot make do on $400 billion. They're still in deficit. Now that's a near tripling in revenue, yet not that many people will have experienced a tripling in their wages or salaries, since then. Purely and simply, this is about economic mis-management, an inability to spend within one's means, to scrutinise and assess future spending decisions before they are incurred, to efficiently manage the economy. To this day, there still has been no cost benefit analysis or anything in the slightest, regarding the NBN, or any number of "off the cuff" projects aed over time by the Government.

        Commenter
        Grant
        Location
        Mitcham
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:20PM
      • Grant,
        As always, biassed statistics, ...now look at the revenue side, Government revenues under HC 25.4% of GDP, while under RGS 23% .... so on the face of it that Howard / Costello ripped more into the government coffers than labor . But then, neither the revenues nor expenditures mean much unless looked in the context of the whole economy. And a better measure of that is total debt (government, business and private) which for the first time in twenty years is not going up.

        Commenter
        colin
        Location
        melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:33PM
    • All the Libs have to do is watch Labour self-destruct; give them 10 years and they may be back, maybe.......

      Commenter
      Magnus
      Location
      Abbotsford
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:30PM
    • I don't know what polls those who say women will desert Rudd because they love Gillard are reading. I have a wide circle and I don't know one woman who thinks Gillard has done other than a huge disservice to women in powerful roles by her incompetence and single minded self serving ruthlessness in seizing power by underhanded means and refusing to relinquish it in spite of advice to the contrary

      Commenter
      helenB
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:30PM
    • How embarrassing for the media, should this whole effort to bring Rudd back fail. The media were a big factor in getting Rudd in when they wanted Howard gone. Then were caught out when Gillard took over. They tried to get her out, but she somehow won the majority of votes at the last election (& formed government with the indies). The media are trying to influence everything again, but Labor seems to be riding out the waves of propaganda. Latika Bourke has reported that she has not found one Labor politician that has seen the suggested petition. Someone has to have the story wrong? When are the media going to move on & actually give a fair & balanced review on everything? Who is influencing the direction of the media? Gina, Rupert?

      Commenter
      Rob
      Location
      Lidcombe
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:29PM
    • I hear Altona's CWA are looking for a strong, feisty knitter to help with their next fundraiser.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party/Greens La La Land
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:27PM
      • Comic genius... stop it my sides are aching.
        What will you whinge about in this forum for the next 3 years if TA gets in? Or will you hang up your keyboard?

        Commenter
        Enough of enough is enough
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:57PM
    • I trust Rudd ahead of Julia and Abbott, alas they are all puppets of their party. If Rudd is in, then Rudd over Abbott. Malcolm contests as Abbotts polls drop, Malcolm in for PM.

      Commenter
      GoRudd
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:26PM
      • @GoRudd

        You're backing the wrong horse. Rudd is the axe in the "Break in case of electoral emergency" box. As soon as he fulfills his usefulness he'll be on the backbenches faster than you can say "3,000 boat people a week?".

        Commenter
        Malik the magic sheep
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:40PM
    • A question about the price on carbon? Is T.A. serious? Doesn't he have anything of substance to add to this last week of parliament? Maybe he could announce a policy or two instead of harping on about a 'tax' that never was and didn't cause the mayhem he promised.

      Commenter
      Rob68
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:26PM
      • It called "death by a thousand cuts" - old Chinese proverb

        Commenter
        gc
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:34PM
      • It is question time, you know.

        Commenter
        thereisnoyouinLabor
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:44PM
    • PLEASE - leave her there - I want to do it!!

      Commenter
      Rose of Castile
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:25PM
    • Apparently the information line at the Politician's Superannuation Trustees office has crashed due to unprecedented demand.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party/Greens La La Land
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:24PM
      • I wonder why?

        Commenter
        MES
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:34PM
    • As a member of the labor party, I seriously question Kevin Rudds judgment and his ability to govern after the way he has conducted himself for some time. It unfortunately has been all about Kevin, rather than the Party. And because his judgement appears to be seriously flawed - I will not vote for him if he is reinstated - and I will not campaign for him.

      Commenter
      Victorian voter.
      Location
      Flemington, Victoria.
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:23PM
      • And I am a Labor member who will not vote or campaign for Gillard

        And this is the quandary we are in. At least Rudd was popularly elected,

        Commenter
        Mark
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:34PM
      • Kevin Rudd may be exploiting the problem, but he didn't create it. There would have been no challenges had Julia and her team not made such a hash of everything. Caucus has had opportunities to admit their error and reinstate Rudd. They have, inexplicably, refused to do this.

        Commenter
        AdamC
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:36PM
      • And you think Julia is not all about Julia? She can't even refer to herself without saying "I am the Prime Minister of Australia" or "As Prime Minister of Australia I have decided..". Notice the singular use of the word "I" instead of the use of "As the government of Australia WE have decided". As my teenage daughter would say: Shut up already!!

        Commenter
        Art
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:41PM
      • As was PM Gillard who won the last election abet with a small majority but LNP supporters have no familiarity with factual arguments

        Commenter
        AustraliaFirst
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:45PM
    • Gillard has guts, she is what she is and play a straight bat - she's has whimps and weazels for collegues.

      If Rudd makes make another run at the leadership then I could never trust anything he says again.

      This smacks of someone trying to exact revenge and not actually caring what governing the country...

      Commenter
      Dvaid
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:22PM
    • Why would anyone want to be the captain of the Titanic in its final hour is beyond belief. RUDD don't do it. Let it sink to the bottom with Gillard n co in it please.

      Commenter
      EA
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:22PM
    • Is there a strategy to burn both Gillard (by losing leadership to Rudd) and Rudd (by losing election as leader) to introduce a new leader?

      Commenter
      johf
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:22PM
      • Yep, Bill Shorten.

        Commenter
        Scooter
        Location
        Kam Berra
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:25PM
      • Why wouldn't Bill want to let these two just cut and each other and just pick up the pieces after the election ?

        Commenter
        Bill & Ben
        Location
        Weeds
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:33PM
    • Will be a shame if Gillard goes. Economy the envy of the world, AAA credit rating, action on climate change, long overdue education reforms. All achieved in the context of a hung Parliament. Sure she's made mistakes but she's light-years from being our "worst PM". Can't see any woman putting their hand up for this job for a while.

      Commenter
      Richo
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:20PM
      • Yep, real shame; five $20-40b budget deficits and $250 billion in debt racked up in six years. Even my grandchildren will remember her, because they'll still be paying for her incompetency

        Commenter
        Slick
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:31PM
      • @ Slick, it is more probable that your grandchildren will pay for your own financial management than that of the government's.

        Commenter
        Barnacle
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:41PM
      • Agree totally!

        Commenter
        Melinda-Lee
        Location
        New Zealand
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:42PM
      • Richo, working in the markets here in HK the Australian Economy actually ain't all that crash hot. It's heading for a major correction next year and recession looms, maybe that's why the ALP doesn't really give a tikers cuss about retaining Government.....

        Commenter
        Fanta Pants
        Location
        Hong Kong
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:51PM
      • @Fanta Pants, correct. Labor doesn't want any economic negativity 'on their watch' so that when they get into opposition and the Australian economy goes into downturn (which it is) they can blame it on the Coalition because it happened 'on their watch'. No talk of the coming recession or the Chinese credit crunch which will wipe out many mum and dad investors I mean property barons, nope - leave that for the Coalition to deal with

        Commenter
        panda
        Location
        perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:59PM
    • ABSOLUTELY NOT!...You cannot simply put a new leader into the election to simply win an eletion and keep your job. That is not how things are meant to be done. You cannot have Rudd win the lection and simply then remove him a short time later and replace him again so that a bunch of fatcats can keep their job. The Usurper Gillard has failed miserably. Im no Tony lover, i think he sucks, but Democracy is under attack at the moment and this is where the safeguard of the GG should step up and state that if Rudd becomes leader, we go to an immediate election and Rudd is disqualified from running.

      Australians, Protect your DEMOCRACY now.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      SYdney somewhere
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:20PM
      • don't quite understand the emotion of this post....there's an election coming regardless so the people will have their say.....democracy is not under attack....in fact quite the opposite - it's the polls based on what the people think that have driven this leadership crisis

        Commenter
        nickcolesoz
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:27PM
      • Huh?
        Rudd disqualified from running? Yes, that's democracy right there...

        Commenter
        MrT
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:33PM
      • @Altered

        Sure, no problem.

        Commenter
        Sanjit in IT
        Location
        457 Visas R Us
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:19PM
    • I see Ruddy has his bluest tie on! This is the best day..(since March).

      Commenter
      thereisnoyouinLabor
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:18PM
      • It's certainly exciting. Spare a thought for some though like WW, who's taking it all pretty hard.

        Even sarajane's cheering on the challengers, how times change.

        Commenter
        Hacka
        Location
        Canberra
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:25PM
      • He's worn a blue tie in every photo I've seen since Gillard amde that speech. Makes you wonder about the kind of person he actaully is?

        Commenter
        Craig
        Location
        Collingwood
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:10PM
    • I bet QE11 is waiting for a phone call seeking advice. This is the untold secret story that only the chosen few will know. The race to meet the GG will be like the Formula One race has come to Canberra. Car 01 - Gillard; Car 07 - Rudd; Car 99 - Abbott; Minivan 89 (with backpacker crude language) - independents/Greens/Katter blowing smoke at the rear of the grid.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party/Greens La La Land
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:17PM
    • I used to live in Victoria when Labor was in opposition and seemed determined to stay there. The behaviour of member there is largely reminiscent (not identical) of what is happening now!
      I also feel compelled to comment on some of the earlier posts here too.
      1)This is exactly the Parliament Australians voted for.
      2)When both party leaders were negotiating after the election they both were prepared to go ahead with a carbon tax.
      3)When you hold the balance of power like the independents do they are able to gain significant benefits for their electorate - it was the same in Queensland when Liz Cunningham in Gladstone did.
      4)Unless people are incredibly mobile we as voters do not elect the Prime Minister or the Treasurer or any of the Ministers. We don't even get to elect the Leader of the Opposition or any of the Shadow Ministers!!!

      Commenter
      Parsimony
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:17PM
      • All perfectly correct, but in the current climate you are blowing against a hurricane. You may as well be arguing that policy should be more important than politics - nice thoughts, but not going to happen. Those that matter in Australia smell blood and won't be satisfied until they have it. Rational thoughts have nothing to do with it.

        Commenter
        Bob
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:32PM
    • I will vote for Kevin but I will not vote for Julia. Julia Gillard wanting a show of hands instead of a secret ballot is intimidation and an attack on democracy. I think it is really clear now that she & the unions had planned to stab Kevin in the back all along. They used him to win the election and then kicked him out. Good luck Kevin hope you lead the ALP to the elections in Sept.

      Commenter
      From SA
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:15PM
      • This is what I heard as well...show of hands in a leadership ballot?. Beggars belief..Why..well, we all know why don't we.

        Commenter
        thereisnoyouinLabor
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:31PM
    • - Shortens switch to the blue tie club was revealed exclusively on the Pulse Yesterday.
      - It is on like Donkey kong, Julia is already gone like last weeks pay, Her side door entrance to QT tells.
      - Swan knew yesterday so did the indys. As these things are always organised by people outside the parliment. Swanns outragous remarks yesterday in QT make sence now.. It was his last ever chance to have a go and he knew it...

      Commenter
      CWitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:15PM
    • Australia wants to vote Julia out. It is the only way the country can heal and move on. We have nothing left, don't take this away from us! Please leave Julia at the helm so we can push her onto her sword!!

      Commenter
      panda
      Location
      perth
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:11PM
      • Where, where?

        Commenter
        Malik the magic sheep
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:15PM
      • Support absolutely!

        Commenter
        Gladesville
        Location
        Gladesville NSW
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:27PM
      • Correction: stupid, prejudiced, greedy Australians want to vote Julia out.

        Commenter
        Fed Up
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:28PM
    • If Rudd gest the nod over Julia, then be very afraid, as there is a very good chance that he will win the election. He would only get back in the race if he was 100% confident, so he knows something that noone else does. This country is suffering badly under Labor, and things will only get worse before they get better. Recession next year, more Labor wasteful spending (probably spend another $14 bill fixing up the shoddy workmanship from the BER ) etc. I feel for the Australian public as this whole mess is a joke and we desrve better.

      Commenter
      Anti Ruddster
      Location
      Under a rock
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:10PM
      • yes...and it was Rudd who did all the waste, not Julia....she was very responsible

        Commenter
        JT
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:15PM
      • That's what Rudd is counting on, the stupidity of the Australian Electorate. Somehow he thinks screaming school kids in a shopping mall transfers into turning around an approval rating for the ALP to the tune of +30%, he is delusional and he's counting on a large portion of the Australian Electorate being just as, if not more delusional.

        Commenter
        Fanta Pants
        Location
        Hong Kong
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:54PM
    • Love the innaccurate reporting of Shorten's position. Is there no attempt to go beyond what you're being fed from the Ruddites? Especially after the reporting of the last spill that never was.

      Commenter
      Jj81
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:09PM
    • If Rudd wins that's the end of Labor for decades women voters will desert Labor.I will vote informal in my blue ribbon Liberal electorate

      Commenter
      donsms1
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:07PM
      • Democracy in action
        Thank you for participating.

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:15PM
      • If you vote informal, you give up the right to critcise on the government.

        Commenter
        Steve
        Location
        Lesmurdie WA
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:30PM
      • Straw Poll

        I am a lifelong Labor voter.

        I will not vote for Gillard led Labor
        I will vote for Rudd led Labor

        Anyone else?

        Commenter
        Mark S
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:31PM
      • I voted for labour in the last election because KR was projected as a PM and not JG. She backstabbed him. First time in more then twenty years Iwill not be voting for labour if JG is leader. In that case I will vote for independent because Tony Abbott is even a bigger calamity.

        Commenter
        xyz
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:06PM
      • xyz, if you last voted in 2007 then that's ok but in 2010 Julia Gillard went to the election as PM.

        I can understand if you're disillusioned, but at least get the sequence of events correct. Gillard PM June 2010, election August 2010, Gillard returned in minority government September 2010 (after the negotiations). At no point has Kevin Rudd been Prime Minister since the last election. At least, not at time of posting

        Commenter
        kaff
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:49PM
    • All of the ALP members who are criticising Rudd on smh and elsewhere are playing into the hands of the Tories.

      Word of advice: keep quiet until we know the result tomorrow. If Rudd's the PM then support him: that is, unless you want to see Tony Abbott become PM in September.

      I sure as hell don't.

      Commenter
      innerwestchick
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:05PM
      • A vote for Labor is a vote for the people smugglers.

        Commenter
        Malik the magic sheep
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:14PM
    • Stephanie, the Governor-General, Quentin Bryce has a long history of public service of the highest ethics and integrity.

      Yet the supporters of the Opposition in these columns are implying (because they are too gutless to say outright) that as the mother-in-law of Bill Shorten, she will take into account his political interests in the exercise of her responsibilities.

      There is no better example of the way that honest and honourable political discussion has been trashed by this Opposition, its leaders and its supporters than this sheer vicious nastiness.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:04PM
      • Stop acting like a wet blanket WW, we're all having a day out at the races, just enjoy it while you can.

        Commenter
        SteveH.
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:13PM
      • Are you seriously suggesting that if Bill were to some how get up as PM that there is no conflict of interest? Regardless of her ethics and contribution - and I agree they are solid - the optics would be horrible. Perception does matter.

        Commenter
        brian
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:19PM
      • I would advise you against making such generalisations based on online commentary. I support the Liberal Party, but I admire the GG and do not believe she would act in an unethical way at all. She is a wonderful person. Why make such generalisations?

        Commenter
        Bianca
        Location
        Camden
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:22PM
      • I am amazed that people put so much trust in the GG. Humans are hardwired to be self-interested, whether or not they are aware or not.

        Why the faith in the GG? "Aww, you know. She seems like a top sort, ay!"

        Commenter
        do you get it?
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:33PM
      • WW: From another esteemed Fairfax writer:

        5. Bill Shorten emerges as a "circuit breaker" leader
        As the mother-in-law of Mr Shorten, the Governor-General would be cornered by a perceived conflict of interest. Ms Twomey said: "The Governor-General would have the trust of the people but the perception of a conflict of interest would be too great. She would probably have to leave the country and appoint Marie Bashir as the governor of the largest state [NSW] to do her job.

        Commenter
        brian
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:56PM
    • Do you seriously think the GG will install Abbott as care taker PM and then sit down to dinner with little Billy "where's my pie" Shorten? No way! Not in this lifetime or the next one either!

      Commenter
      Apollyon
      Location
      Berwick
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:04PM
    • Gillard is Gonski.

      Unoriginal, I know.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:02PM
      • Well, you said it.

        Commenter
        Julie
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:19PM
    • If they truly believed in their principles and the future of this nation they would end this whole farcical situation and call an election now. Put us all out of our collective misery and get back to focussing on the things that matter ...ensuring that our hospitals are funded, build the infrastructure that we need and managing our debt.

      Sadly though self interest and indulgence of oversized egos will mean that we are stuck in this twilight zone for which there seems no end.

      Commenter
      Dachfi
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:02PM
      • If they truly believed in their principles and the future of this nation they would get on with reforming education funding, doing something about carbon emissions, and supporting those with disability ... oh yes, they've done that.

        Commenter
        Robynski
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:33PM
    • Amazing that Gillard and Rudd are so passionate about wanting to be the Opposition Leader after September. The damage has been done to Labour and they will be decimated at the election - Australians aren't stupid (generally) and don't want such a dyfunctional party in Government. As you said, Abbott just has to sit back and watch it all happen - and will be swept into power with a sizeable majority come September.

      Commenter
      Dave
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:01PM
      • Ha, all the scared little Tory's it's fun to watch this. Never read so much rubbish. And to guys like " Commando " well I guess the name speaks for itself. The polling showed Windsor a neck ahead in New England, but hey why let the facts get in the place of a good story. This last three years has surely been the lowest ebb in Australian Politics since Federation. Lemmings to the cliff!

        Commenter
        JOHN
        Location
        MCKINNON
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:28PM
    • Hope your proud of yourselves Labor. This is a disgrace for a Government!

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 2:01PM
      • Don't worry Lyn.

        The Gonski package which was passed today should help with YOUR spelling and grammar.

        Commenter
        FFS
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:21PM
      • @FFS

        "Don't worry Lyn.

        The Gonski package which was passed today should help with YOUR spelling and grammar."

        ..and yet, Lyn is smarter than you. Go figure.

        Commenter
        Malik the magic sheep
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:45PM
    • But of course Paul June 26, 2013, 10:21AM getting NBN, better education, better Disability support etc that people like Paul would use and that The Liberals helped passed.

      But of course The Gillard Government is in rabble and attempting to run this country for the past three years?

      Commenter
      keith
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:59PM
      • NBN has not been delivered.. It is ten years away.
        Better education... hasn't been delivered, show me where.

        The disability plan is this governments only true reform.

        They havn't run the country. All they have truly worried about is themselves.

        Commenter
        Steve
        Location
        Lesmurdie WA
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:35PM
      • Steve:
        "NBN has not been delivered.. It is ten years away."
        Actually, given the likely election result, that should be never.
        "Better education... hasn't been delivered, show me where."
        Well, guaranteed to be cancelled post election also. Abbott has said already he will can Gonski reforms.
        "
        The disability plan is this governments only true reform."
        I expect this to be found to be unaffordable post September also.

        Commenter
        Goresh
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:02PM
    • Oh no,it will be a disaster if Rudd comes back!!..The media will actually have to focus on POLICIES instead of leaderships!!

      Commenter
      Steeden
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:57PM
    • After the next election can we also get rid off the current GG who is sitting pretty watching the country being destroyed by incompetence, stupidity and internal fighting of the Labor apparatchiks. Isn't her duty to make sure that the government acts in the best interest of the country rather than PM spending hours making silly propaganda photos to satisfy the PM ego?

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:57PM
      • No - her duty is clear from the constitution and convention. She cant dismiss a government who has the confidence of the lower house just because some angry yobbos dont like it

        Commenter
        Jimmy G
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:15PM
      • I'm always bemused by "the country being destroyed". In what way? Like Zimbabwe was, or like the sack of Rome? Or maybe we just get so used to hyperbole, personal abuse and political agendas to see that things haven't changed that much in the last decade except that more people have flat screen TVs.

        Commenter
        Dafydd
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:35PM
      • Tom

        Unless there is a no confidence motion put to the parliament and that motion passes, the GG has her hands tie. She can't just sack the Govenment.

        Commenter
        Steve
        Location
        Lesmurdie WA
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:37PM
    • I think today will be a good day for Tony Abbott to produce his motion of No Confidence in the government immediately Question Time starts.

      Commenter
      Rosie
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:56PM
      • Two problems :
        (i) Abbott is too cowardly to do this
        (ii) It would fail

        Commenter
        Jimmy G
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:12PM
      • Yes, go for it Tony, let's have the election now, then we can get on without all this distraction for three more months.

        Commenter
        Norm
        Location
        Maroubra
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:18PM
      • Three problems: 3. Abbott's not silly enough to get involved whilst the Labor party is very effectively destroying itself.

        Commenter
        Sammy B
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:29PM
      • You expect the loser to vote they have confidence in the winner? Abstain and the house of cards falls down

        Commenter
        Peterwalker58
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:02PM
    • Would Abbott be crazy enough to go for a no-confidence motion in Question Time ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:56PM
    • Is it possible to put a return to top of page button underneath the comment window? It would be much appreciated.

      Commenter
      Altered
      Location
      Esperance
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:56PM
      • @Altered

        Sure, no problem.

        Commenter
        Sanjit in IT
        Location
        457 Visas R Us
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:19PM
    • 457 is a disaster. The employers including govt corporations have abused it while local people remain unemployed.

      Commenter
      xyz
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:55PM
      • Get real where is the evidence of so called abuse. The Minister even admitted to exaggerating the so called "abuse" of the process. This is just a smoke screen to cover the fact that retail and manufacturing sectors have been decimated over the last three years.. just have a look at the number of closures that have occurred over the last twelve months.

        Commenter
        Dachfi
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:13PM
      • I work in IT industry and I see abuse of 457 visa everyday.There is no shortage of IT skills here. There positions are being take up by overseas professionals :
        http://www.zdnet.com/au/gillard-slams-it-industry-for-457-visa-abuse-7000012579/

        Commenter
        itp
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:48PM
    • Julia should stand her ground. It is vitally important for the people of Australia that she gets kicked out at the ballot box. Then the healing can begin.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:54PM
    • Rudd supporters wanting him as Labor Leader is translated to say they want The Liberals in Government and Abbott as PM.

      Commenter
      keith
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:53PM
      • Keith, I think an Abbott govt is inevitable now. With Rudd, the ALP will have 60 MHRs.... with Gillard the ALP will have 30 MHRs.

        Commenter
        tom
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:02PM
      • KEITH, wake up mate. Gillard is handing Abbott government on a platter.

        Commenter
        EA
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:15PM
      • the first thing Rudd did on becoming Prime Minister was help the pensioners out..they have for the most forgotten..10 years of Howard..no help there..surely they will remember Rudd with respect and affection...i know i do

        Commenter
        dieseldoc
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:13PM
    • If Rudd gets in, opportunity for the Coalition to replace Abbott with Turnbull then the majority of the electors will get to vote for who they want. Even ALP voters see Malcolm as preferred PM. After this ALP soap opera who would have any faith in their ability to lead a nation? It's a pity because Gillard is a better PM than Rudd ever was, Gary Gray was right about that. But their achievements have been invisible because of the ego competition going on here. The true tragedy of the ALP is that they can only see the PM being one or the other. I hope they prove capable of something better and a third person nominates to allow them to vote for neither.

      Commenter
      Bronwyn
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:52PM
      • I doubt it. The Labor branding is toxic under Gillard or Rudd and it's too late for even little Kev to change that. Plus he'll be inheriting a fractured party.

        No need for the Libs to lower themselves into the fracus, they can still just coast through to the finish line.

        Commenter
        mtown
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:06PM
      • Bronwyn, why would the Lib's dump TA. He has led them brilliantly to the cusp of government. When MT was leader Labor was ahead 60-40.

        Commenter
        mh
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:17PM
      • Simple MH. The suggestions are that if Rudd gets back he may get closer to the 50%, or at the very least prevent adisaster for LP. But if Turnbull is Coalition leader then the victory will be as great against Rudd as Abbott will be against Gillard. Don't forget that Turnbull was voted by ALP supporters as the PM they'd most like to have.

        Commenter
        Bronwyn
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:32PM
      • Exactly Bronnie! Thats why you stick with TA. You don't elect who your opp wants. You elect who your supporters want. Dont get me wrong I am a massive MT fan but TA has earnt it.

        Commenter
        mh
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:18PM
      • Abbott is not all that popular, he's just more popular than Gillard. If you were a party strategist, why wouldn't you put in Turnbull with a 60% plus approval rating and get a pretty much certain 2 terms as opposed to Abbott who will only be assured of 1 term? If they don't bring back Turnbull it will still need a miracle for them to lose, but Abbott is still a liability. At the moment the 'Drovers Dog' will win. If I were Coalition my druthers would still be maximise the win with Turnbull. They are fools if they don't.

        Commenter
        Bronwyn
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:39PM
    • Rob Oakeshott said this morning on ABC radio that he is not interested in personalities.

      Neither Kevin Rudd nor Tony Abbott has elicited any policy positions for consideration of his support.

      Fran Kelly continued on about leadership issues and he said, you have not listened to me, I am not interested in personalities, if someone wants my support then provide me with details of your vision for the country and what you are going to do to get there.

      Both Kevin and Tony have shown that they are interested only in the power attached to the Prime Minister's role. To them it is only about the status that will attach to them if they are in that role.

      Neither man is deserving of being Prime Minister and both would do us all a favor if they resigned.

      Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott should be acknowledged for their courageous behavior and achievements over the past three years.

      Well done guys and good luck for the future.

      Commenter
      fairdinkum
      Location
      NSW
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:52PM
      • Spot on....glad to hear somebody else knows what's going on rather than listening to all this populist dribble.

        Commenter
        JT
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:02PM
      • So true! I cannot believe the sheep mentality of Australians who are willing to support poor old dejected Kevin Rudd with their pity vote.

        He's an egomaniac , equally rivalled by Tony Abbott. They both should be ashamed of their behaviour.

        I hope they both disappear from our Parliament very soon. The country will be better for it.

        Commenter
        Game of Thrones
        Location
        Country NSW
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:20PM
      • Rob Oakshot likes the sound of his own voice. Has he actually spokent to either Kevin or Tony, I doubt it. ANd he is only quiting because he knows he would get towled at ballot for supporting a self centred, self destructing Labor party.

        He is a coward

        Commenter
        Steve
        Location
        Lesmurdie WA
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:40PM
    • I cannot think of a more undeserving leader and thus PM than Mr Rudd;. If we want our leader of our proud nation to be so self focused and devious as this man then by all means vote for him.

      Why trust the ALP when the only reason that they will change leaders (if they do) is to save their seats. If they were a functional team, they would be reelected without all this commotion.

      A headless chook would be a better choice for PM than this Labor mob.

      Commenter
      James
      Location
      Kootingal
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:52PM
    • Only Kevin Rudd can save us from a calamity called Tony Abbott. He is like a bull in the china shop. Julia Gillard is stubborn and destroying the labour party after destroying the financial health of the coutry.

      Commenter
      xyz
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:51PM
      • Rudd has destroyed the labor party. He has used every tactic to white ant it for the last 3 years because he stood down instead of taking it to a spill. He has a serious case of sour grapes and wants to ruin it for everyone else.

        Commenter
        Chinpy
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:55PM
      • Have you been completely oblivious to what the rest of the world is experiencing? Time and again commentators from overseas and some here in Oz have said we have an economy that the rest of the 1st world would die for, but people like you swallow this ridiculous line over and again that we are in trouble. While there may be difficulties ahead, as we aren't immune to markets around the globe, we have done brilliantly during and psot GFC. You may not like Gillard but stop misrepresenting what state we are in.

        Commenter
        Kerry
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:10PM
      • The financial health of the country is terrific compared to other developed countries. The counter view is a myth constantly being spun by conservatives and repeated by ignorant electors.

        Commenter
        Charlie Zero
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:21PM
      • Kerry

        You are so wrong. Our economy is in tatters. Only the mining sector is in the black. The rest of it is in the red. Ofcourse other countries would be evious because they are in a worse condition.

        There are economies out there in far better shape then ours and they don't own the world a cent.

        Stop looking through labor coloured glasses and do some research!

        Commenter
        Steve
        Location
        Lesmurdie WA
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:44PM
    • "Meanwhile the government's education reforms - which change the ways schools are funded - have just passed the Senate."

      And therein lies the problem. The great work of this parliament, is lost in the white noise.

      The media is to blame, for fanning the flames of a story that was extinguished twice before.

      Commenter
      YeahNah
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:50PM
      • A pity when bold reforms are barely noticed because of static over leadership. The business of government isn't sexy enough for the media, everything now has to be a contrived relaity show with faux-villains and contestants being voted off.

        Commenter
        Cap'n Morgan
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:00PM
      • Yep, past in how many minutes? That's Labor style democracy for you?

        Commenter
        Pen of hrba
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:13PM
    • Is there such a thing as a kangaroo parliament?

      Commenter
      Megan
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:50PM
    • So Rudds reward for 3 years and 6 months of white-anting the leader of his party is to be given the Prime Ministership - amazing.

      I wonder if Krudd is expecting the same loyalty he has shown.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:49PM
      • The same that was shown him back in 2010 when he was ambushed

        Commenter
        GJS
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:55PM
      • It's called karma, or payback for the knife sticking out his back. You reap what you sow.

        Commenter
        Bacchus
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:55PM
      • She has had plenty of clear air to get her message over kp but no one is listening anymore. She is a poor communicator who has made too many bad calls even if she has made made some good ones. Rudd may have been disloyal to her but she was the first one to be disloyal. He deserved better from her also.

        Commenter
        Altered
        Location
        Esperance
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:01PM
      • Just saying, she threw the first dagger so per say. As much as our political system is based on Westminster tradition, it really is an American styled presidential thing to the public - and the knifing of a current standing leader was the worst thing Labor could of ever done.

        Commenter
        Jacob
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:09PM
    • Personally I think Gillard is right: it is all to do with the sexist attitude of those MEN?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:46PM
      • Men Rule , Women knit- it is the nature of things

        Commenter
        gc
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:05PM
      • Agree Pen of hrba

        Commenter
        Melinda-Lee
        Location
        Auckland New Zealand
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:05PM
    • Well , one way or another , Abbott's world's longest dummy spit is coming to an end , and despite his best efforts, he has not been able to wreck the reform program

      Commenter
      Jimmy G
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:46PM
      • I think Krudd has had a longer dummy spit - 3 years and 6 months.

        Abbott has now taken down two PM's, while keeping a united and focussed front bench. Abbott is the rson to lead Australia.

        Commenter
        kp
        Location
        brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:06PM
    • Does this slow motion train wreck ever end. It is as if the primary intention of Rudd and Gillard is to destroy the Labor party as a viable entity in Australian politics. I suspect most Australians abhore both these egomaniacs.

      Commenter
      Jollyjumbuck
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:44PM
    • Petition...what petition? Maybe the media should officially run the country? A referendum anybody?

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:43PM
    • So who can trust who now?

      Can Rudd trust Shorten --sure !!!!!!
      Can Shorten trust Rudd- Sure!!!!

      Can voters trust Shorten after stabbing Two PM's now?--sure!!!

      Can voters trust Rudd given his deplorable behaviour --sure!!!

      What a rabble, what a bunch of self serving twits
      ALP voters should be embarrassed for being taken for such fools

      Commenter
      paulk
      Location
      melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:43PM
    • Will the GG keep her son-in-law in the job or not?

      Commenter
      brian
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:41PM
    • Is anyone running the country?

      Commenter
      EJ10011
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:39PM
      • Same as it has been since 2010 - NO !

        Commenter
        gc
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:42PM
      • Yes I am, and Hacka is 2IC,

        so you can all relax now.

        Commenter
        SteveH.
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:43PM
      • Yes, Stephanie is!

        Thanks Stephanie.

        Commenter
        Sharron
        Location
        The Land of Rudd
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:47PM
      • Rightyo. First order of business is to ban all red underpants and Springsteen albums.

        Commenter
        Hacka
        Location
        Canberra
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:51PM
      • Certainly. I'm ready to man the b......t meter.

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:08PM
    • If Rudd fails, he should be expelled from the Labor party.

      Commenter
      YeahNah
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:38PM
      • yes and make it effective immediately ...

        Commenter
        juileep
        Location
        sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:51PM
      • Rudd has clean hands on this one His supporters are pushing his barrow I am waiting for the dead cat bounce no matter what the outcome

        Commenter
        Peterwalker58
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:02PM
      • Yep, let's aim for zero seats after the election. Genius !!

        Commenter
        Baysider
        Location
        Sandgate
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:03PM
      • Good idea..then we could have an election, stat.

        Commenter
        thereisnoyouinLabor
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:32PM
      • I'm a Labor voter or was, they have just lost me with this latest shamozzel. B.....Rudd, and Ms Gillard are both wasting my time and that of the country, time Abbott went for a no confidence in Government and dissolved parliament, time for a double dissolution.

        Commenter
        Poor show
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:03PM
    • I want Julia to remain as PM until the election in September. Then I want to be able to roll up to my polling booth wearing my blue tie to vote her government out

      Commenter
      Steve F
      Location
      MNC
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:38PM
      • You and 11,000,000 others I would hope!

        Commenter
        Liberator
        Location
        SEQLD
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:49PM
      • Steve, I don't know where MNC is, but unless its somewhere near Werribee or Altona, ie within the boundary of the seat of Lalor, you don't have much chance of voting against her. You can only vote against the Labor candidate in your electorate.

        Commenter
        Lippy Queen
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:53PM
      • Speak for yourself Liberator. Not for me. I'm not a Liberal voter sheep.

        Commenter
        pol
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:03PM
    • This is just stupidity. Whatever Labor thinks they will gain by ousting Gillard for Rudd will be lost in the Gillard supporters vote, of which there are many, many thousands. Especially women. I'm sure The rAge and Australian are congratulating themselves mightily for engineering this whole disaster. The whole lot of them are pathetic, including this paper.

      Commenter
      Code Red
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:36PM
      • Really? You believe anyone still supporting Gillard through this farcical state of affairs will be voting Liberal? They'll be voting Labor regardless. The aim is to secure the additional votes that Gillard has lost, and Rudd stands to bring to the party. If this works, and if Labor wins the next election, I'm moving back to NZ.

        Commenter
        Malik the magic sheep
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:00PM
      • So Code Red you think that Labor women voters are going to vote against Rudd even if that means Abbott wins ?

        hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahh

        that's the comment of the day !

        Commenter
        havasay
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:14PM
      • I agree CodeRed - this kind of farce is what comes of having a right-wing press monopoly in this country. Abbott gets a free ride all the way to the election - no media scrutiny of his right-wing policies ever, zip. The press just report whatever Labor-bashing vitriole they are fed by the Tories....but then they would wouldn't they, they know who's paying their wages. If Australians vote for Tory Tony and his Cronies they'll be the laughing stock of the world. Hey, they voted this bloke in even though he's promised them nothing, except to take Australia back to the 19th Century and derail any progressive policies put in place by the Labor Party. The Libs represent the interests of the privileged few and you far-from-privileged suckers are going to vote for them?? Wake up people. Elections should be about policies not personalities.

        Commenter
        MikeS
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 6:05PM
    • Truly pathetic. I cannot believe anyone would vote for these idiots.

      I like the Labor party's policies but they are a bunch of clowns.

      Commenter
      Dirk
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:34PM
      • @Dirk

        You like their border protection policies?

        Commenter
        Malik the magic sheep
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:01PM
      • Malik, their border policy stinks but no more or less than your rabble who set it up in the first place. I look forward to the utter failure of Morrison and your acknowledgement and apology of same.

        Commenter
        eyeroll
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:19PM
      • No Malik. I missed using the word "some", as in some of their policies NDIS etc

        Commenter
        Dirk
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:07PM
    • So Rudd thinks he has Shorten in his pocket, what if Shorten is fibbing? Only a vote will spell the truth.

      Commenter
      Kick
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:32PM
      • Interesting comment Kick. The look on Shortens face in 1.26 is very ambiguous. It really could be one of 'Got you!' for sure. I hope not, Rudd unfortunately is Labor's only chance of avoiding political annihilation in September.

        Commenter
        Altered
        Location
        Esperance
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:53PM
    • What's happened to all the lefty claims that there is no leadership tension that it's all a figment of the mind of the Murdoch press?
      Only a very small minority of Australians want this incompetent lot but that minority sure have loud voices.

      Commenter
      killerbee
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:32PM
      • Perhaps "the lefty clowns "are waiting for a petition to be written or indeed any evidence there is a move against PM Gillard and its not just more of conservative Gov drivel

        Commenter
        AustraliaFirst
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:43PM
      • Spot on!

        Commenter
        Lyn
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:43PM
      • Small minority?
        The ALP received 50.1% of the two-party vote across Australia at the last election and the coalition 49.9%. That may not have translated to a majority of seats, but just over half of the country voted them in. (I wasnt one of them)

        Commenter
        Big Noddy
        Location
        Glebe
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:57PM
    • In the Live Coverage photo Kevin Rudd appears to be very indecisive or is he just sublimating a sudden urge for wax morsel?

      Commenter
      Arthur McKenzie
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:30PM
    • What's the betting that it all happens during State of Origin? Mr Waterhouse, odds please!

      Commenter
      Neale
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:30PM
    • I really want to upload a Jaws sound file into the comments...haha

      Commenter
      Comedian
      Location
      NSW
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:30PM
    • I want to see labor totally wiped out at the election, dont take away our joy.

      Commenter
      please keep gillard
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:28PM
      • There's no reason why we can;t still make that happen

        Commenter
        Onno
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:16PM
    • Word has it that Unions are threatening to cancel pre-selection of those who vote for Rudd. Also that Gillard will deny a secret ballot so the Union bosses can see who votes for who. Pretty disgusting if true.

      Commenter
      thereisnoyouinLabor
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:27PM
      • Perhaps its only a manufactured crisis the LNP have a habit of inventing stupid facts that turn out to be nothing but their imagination see Gresch and Slipper

        Commenter
        AustraliaFirst
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:46PM
      • Who's word? yours?

        Commenter
        AustraliaFirst
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:50PM
    • Wow, this is getting to be like Italy. What's the bet we are going to have 3 or maybe 4 prime ministers in the one year? Bunga, bunga fellow Wooorking Australians!

      Commenter
      Arthur McKenzie
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:21PM
      • Yes, never mind the fact that we have had three years of stable government with more legislation passed than in the last Howard term, and never mind the fact that we have one of the best performing economies in the Western World, let's focus on nonsense in the last week of parliament which may or not come to anything.

        Commenter
        Cameron
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:44PM
    • As a Liberal supporter, my ideal outcome from all this nonsense would be that a) there is a spill or challenge; and b) Gillard wins it by only a small margin but refuses to resign. Landslide election win to Coalition locked in! Sadly, even the Labor caucus are not stupid enough to allow that to happen. Or are they?

      Commenter
      AdamC
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:20PM
    • How appropriate if not highly coincidental that 2 of the independents have announced that they won't be standing at the next election within hours before the petition is being circulated....talk about the rats deserting the sinking ship, unfortunately they gnawed over a billion dollars in special ransom deals while they facilitated this charade of a governing party

      Commenter
      Stella
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:19PM
    • Do I have to keep saying it? Tony Windsor got it wrong. We don't have a carbon tax, we have a price on carbon, which is exactly what Julia Gillard said when she stated before the 2010 election, “There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead, but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon”.

      Commenter
      Mr Duck
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:18PM
      • Mr Duck,

        Julia Gillard herself admitted it was a tax!

        Commenter
        notlad
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:38PM
      • Just like we don't have income tax - we have a price on our income instead.

        Commenter
        Tera
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:38PM
      • Give up Mr Duck - haters gotta hate.

        Commenter
        The Banker
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:40PM
      • Oh that is all right then? We have Gillard ripping us off with the most inefficient green energy available to the benefit of increased coal production and the mining industry because of a carbon price and not a carbon tax.

        Had breakfast today have we?

        Commenter
        Pen of hrba
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:42PM
      • Ok, it's a 'price on carbon' that business have to pay to the government. Sure sounds like a tax by definition, or is this another word in the dictionary that the PM would like changed?

        tax [tæks]
        n
        1. a compulsory financial contribution imposed by a government to raise revenue, levied on the income or property of persons or organizations, on the production costs or sales prices of goods and services, etc.

        Commenter
        Indeed
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:44PM
      • Gillard said it's a tax - who are you to say otherwise?

        Commenter
        Rodrigo
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:57PM
      • Indeed, it sounds like a Levy to me.

        Commenter
        tasch2
        Location
        Mornington Peninsula
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:21PM
      • Mr. Duck, It appears you have selective amnesia. Julia Gillard DID NOT say that she would introduce price on carbon. She promised to establish 'citizens assembly' whose responsibility would be to 'bring along' the electorate. She promised NOT TO introduce price on carbon until she gets support from the electorate.

        Your attempt to keep on repeating the lie will never make it truth.

        Commenter
        Thelma
        Location
        Doncaster
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:33PM
      • @ tasch2

        levy [ˈlɛvɪ]
        vb levies, levying, levied (tr)
        1. (Economics) to impose and collect (a tax, tariff, fine, etc.)

        O, be some other name!
        What's in a name? That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet.

        Commenter
        Indeed
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:41PM
      • In economic terms, there are differences between taxes and levies. And we don't actually have a tax, regardless of what anyone tells you. It's a levy limited to 500 companies.

        And as for promising to organise a community consultative process and then calling it off, then you're right. She did promise that. But really - if that's the only promise she broke, I can live with that. The fact is that the Liberal ETS policy was very simple and effective. When Labor stole it, the Libs went for the big wasteful spending option instead. And that's what we'll have soon instead of a market-led solution. Too bad!

        Commenter
        Mr Duck
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:59PM
      • Thanks for your economical analysis Mr Duck, but I still stand by my above replies. You call it what you want, if only to justify a lie to the Australian Public.

        Commenter
        Indeed
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:07PM
      • So that means all those Levies that Tony plans to introduce are actually taxes then? How downright duplicitous!

        Commenter
        tasch2
        Location
        Mornington Peninsula
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:09PM
      • @Indeed You think that the current leader of the opposition won't tell porkies either? Remember that he said not to believe anything he didn't put down in writing. And the previous Lib PM, who liked to talk about core and non-core truths? It's not like the PM has led us into foreign wars or economic catastrophe based on lies either. I can live with the cancellation of a people's assembly. She stated the policy direction and she went through with it.

        Commenter
        Mr Duck
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:24PM
      • That line. "“There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead, but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon” is pure fiction. She never qualified her promise that there would be no tax under any government she led. Her spin doctors have combined different statements made at different times.

        Commenter
        MattPP
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:30PM
      • Really? Her spin doctors are pretty good then.She said it in multiple different ways prior to the election, and on the evening before the election, she said she considered the 2010 election to be a mandate on a Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme. I think she was pretty clear. I only wish the Libs had introduced it - it's good policy. Much better than the current big spending, big taxing LIb policy. If they went back to an ETS they'd get my vote.

        Commenter
        Mr Duck
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:06PM
    • I say, Bob Carr looks a little stressed.

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      The Land of Rudd
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:18PM
    • So sick & tired of all of this. If K Rudd gets back in then Labor lose my vote due to their indecision, backbiting and following polls rather than governing. And get over it people, WE DO NOT VOTE FOR OUR PRIME MINISTER, that would be called a republic and you all voted against that!!

      Commenter
      dlg
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:17PM
      • Correct, we do not vote for a PM, we vote for a political party. But Australian's have always looked to our PM as the leader of that party & in that, all of Australia. We have seen from the last 3 years that our PM has not lead her party well, has not conveyed her message, & has allowed a myriad of political bungles under her watch. There are lingering issues with how she got the job off a sitting PM, & then how she had to go about to keep it with her side deals at the last election. So yes, we do not vote for a PM, but if you have issues with who leads, then you have issues with the party for choosing that leader.

        Commenter
        Indeed
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:00PM
      • Just read over what you wrote one more time...

        Commenter
        Cap'n Morgan
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:08PM
      • We certainly did not vote for Gillard and Co!

        Commenter
        Liberator
        Location
        SEQLD
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:10PM
    • I am a labor supporter, but if Rudd win today or tomorrow ballots, I do agree Tony windsor and Oakeshotts to side with Tony Abbot.

      Commenter
      jeff5555
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:16PM
    • I would not stand if I was Kevan Rudd prior to the election. Let the current leader and buch of ministers take the blame for the obvious loss. In fact, ministers whp put the boot into rudd will lose their seats which is great. Then Rudd could lead what is left of the Labor party in opposition. I say this as a Labor voter. Politics is now so dissapointing to most people as we never seem to discuss policies.

      Commenter
      Tecka
      Location
      melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:11PM
    • Are there any photos we can see showing Shorten and Burke conferring with Rudd as it looks as if they are just leaving in 12.51? Rudd is looking unbearably smug. I guess the price of having to watch that again will be worth having Labor back in the race and Gillard gone.

      Commenter
      Altered
      Location
      Esperance
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:11PM
    • I thought there were only these types of leadership changes in countries like Italy and tin-pot regimes.

      Welcome to the new Australia.

      Commenter
      Growler
      Location
      The Couch
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:09PM
      • No, happens in robust democracies such as ours as well. Remember when Tony Abbott gave Malcolm Turnbull the boot?

        Commenter
        RAD61
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:25PM
      • Oh, Turnbull was a first term sitting Prime Minister was he? And now we are doing exactly the same thing, with the same people again? A reasonable comparison - I think not.

        Commenter
        Rex Mundi
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:41PM
      • The precedent was set when Gorton was dumped after winning his only election.

        Come to think of it the Coalition and Conservative politicians have a long history of unstable leadership since Menzies. Holt, all at sea, McMahon did Gorton, Fraser did Snedden, Peacock and Howard did each other, Downer did Hewson, Howard did Downer, Malcolm did Brendan, Tony did Malcolm. The only thing that stopped Peter was he had no ticker.

        Even prior to the Liberals Menzies got done, Joe Lyons was lucky he died and Hughes was even done by Bruce after he turned Conservative. What is to say this will stop.

        Conservatives and Liberals are obviously more concerned about getting to be leader than actually doing anything while there. McMahon was once asked what politics was about and he replied "its about getting power", he had nothing to say about what happens where you attain it.

        I think a challenge from Malcolm will be more than likely.

        Commenter
        tasch2
        Location
        Mornington Peninsula
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:54PM
    • Denied the right to select a Government now Denied the Right to throw Oakshott and Windsor out. Not Happy Jan

      Commenter
      Just Sayin
      Location
      Adelaide
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:08PM
      • Well you were denied the right to throw Windsor and Oakeshott out anyway simply because you can only vote in one electorate ;)

        Commenter
        BS Man
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:25PM
      • Unless you're registered to vote in New England or Lyne, you don't have the option to throw out Windsor or Oakeshott.

        Commenter
        JoLoGo
        Location
        New England
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:28PM
    • And to think Bill Shorten's mum in-law gets to decide the outcome in the end.

      Australia, the democracy you have when you're barely having one.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:07PM
      • What are the chances that Bill might put his hand up to thwart Rudd ?

        That'd brighten things up a bit .

        Commenter
        Hacka
        Location
        Canberra
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:11PM
      • I'd rather Rudd, Gillard, Abbott, Turnbull or just about anyone before Bill Shorten.

        Commenter
        AndrewN23
        Location
        SYD
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:18PM
      • Hacka, Let me just say this, blah blah, fair shake of the sauce bottle,
        blah blah blah, gotta zip!

        If it was a drama on telly it would be a comedy.

        Commenter
        SteveH.
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:20PM
      • @SteveH. No she doesn't.

        Commenter
        The Badger
        Location
        Newcastle
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:31PM
      • Yes. Apparently Bill's crossed over and Rudd's found a backbone.

        Apparently.

        Commenter
        Hacka
        Location
        Canberra
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:40PM
      • No, SteveH, she gets to make decisions that are required by the Australian Constitution in a constitutional way.

        Your post exemplifies the sleaziness of the Opposition that has dragged political discourse into the gutter. You don't refer to the Governor-General by name or by post, but by reference to her son-in-law.

        You do not have the courage to explicitly allege that she would take her son-in-law's political interests into account, but you leave it out there by the clear implications in your post.

        Sickening.

        Commenter
        Whyalla Wipeout
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:48PM
    • At least all this makes Australian politics a little more interesting.

      Commenter
      Uninspired first time voter
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 1:05PM
      • Where have you been for the last 3 years and 1 day?

        Commenter
        Denny
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:15PM
      • I can think of a few more measures that would make it even more interesting - do we still have the set of 'Gladiators' handy? What about "It's a Knockout'?

        Commenter
        fleetfox
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:35PM
    • It's the ALP killing off their two least favoured leaders.

      If Gillard get's crushed this week, then it will be a very short run before Rudd get's crushed at the election.

      Only a true ego driven fool would put himself forward for such a fall..... or someone with a god complex that is so drunk on his perception of his own popularity that he can't believe he will fail.

      Either way....NOT what the ALP or Australia deserve in a PM.

      Commenter
      Oz
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:58PM
      • Whatever, Oz!

        We didn't deserve 3 years of gillard either.

        Commenter
        Sharron
        Location
        The Land of Rudd
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:05PM
      • Rudd a least favoured leader? He's the only one that can save us from Abbott.

        Commenter
        Jen
        Location
        Earth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:07PM
      • @Jen.... oh dear.... and then what would happen.... how long until the ALP sacked him again?

        Do you really see Rudd winning an election? I don't.

        Commenter
        Oz
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:13PM
      • Its too late. I support Rudd, but he needs to leave this one alone.

        Commenter
        aceme
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:00PM
      • If he wins ballot and loose election he will be saying that what happened is Gillards fault, and caucus's, he should have been reinstated long ago.I am sure ALP would not be in such a predicament as it is today...
        What a spineless looser ALL in ALP party are.

        Commenter
        sedona
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:17PM
    • Joe Hockey has tweeted that Labor are focused on their own jobs rather than Aussie jobs. So why are the LNP not supporting much needed changes to the 457 visa system, which has imported personnel competing against locals and putting downward pressure on wages in Australia

      Commenter
      Andrew
      Location
      Melican
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:58PM
      • Because its not really a problem and labor are only doing it to please the unions. That is all labor have done for the last 3 years and they wonder why they are on the nose.

        Commenter
        Denny
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:17PM
      • Umm - because what's put up is obviously a dog whistling campaign? Unless of course we are aiming to save Canberra based spin doctors from UK imports?

        Commenter
        null
        Location
        Logan
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:22PM
      • Why do they not support changes - because Gina does not support changes and the puppet cannot make moves without the master!

        Commenter
        Mark
        Location
        melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:29PM
      • Actually it is a serious problem and becoming increasingly worse. What does "just to please the unions" mean? What about the concept of government representing Australian people trying to earn a living?

        Commenter
        Andrew
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:32PM
      • What a dumb comment...,..do you understand the 457 bill is out more red tape for business and more union control???

        Commenter
        paul
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:34PM
      • Yawn. This whole "[Insert ethnic/migrant group here] are taking our jobs" schtick is discredited nonsense. Hey, maybe Labor could preselect Pauline Hanson for the seat of Lyne or New England? At least she is more honest and upfront about her anti-immigration views.

        Commenter
        AdamC
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:50PM
      • Andrew the reasons most 457 workers arrive is because an Australian didn't want to do the job or an Australian hasn't bothered to train themselves to do the job. The job would be available to an Australian if they bother to apply or get some education. I don't mean to sound harsh but 457 workers are not a problem, they are actually helping in the most part to provide services that an Aussie didn't want to do or we don't have enough Aussie's capable of doing to meet the demand required for that service.

        Commenter
        Tired Camel
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:51PM
      • This is is not about anti-immigration. It is about having workers side by side being paid highly different rates for similar work. Someone renegotiating a work contract can have an employer saying that they have others willing to work for much lower rates. I understand the role that 457 workers can play if a real gap exists but the system can be used to bring down wages. An employer can advertise at a much lower than market rate and then say that no one is available to do the job. It would be fine if there was close to full employment but that seems to be no longer the case.

        Commenter
        Andrew
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:26PM
      • Andrew, that line may have been credible had the Immigration Minister been able to actually identify a significant number of cases where that was happening. But he failed spectacularly. The reason the government is persecuting 457 visa holders is that the unions, for some reason, want to make it as hard and expensive as possible for employers to use them. However, the whole thing has also become a challenge to previously bipartisan immigration policy in this country. This exercise is among the worst of Gillard's follies.

        Commenter
        AdamC
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:05PM
    • Oh the sweet irony... I wonder if Gillard is about to experience a metaphorical knife in her back like she gave to Rudd.

      Commenter
      Shmock
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:58PM
    • As i understand the system, if Rudd rolls Gillard & the independents do not support Rudd, this will allow Abbott to go to the Govenor General with a motion of no confidence in Labor ability to Govern without a majority, this will mean the Govenor G will have to disolve Parliament & ask Abbott to form a new Government, a dilema for the G.G.as her daughter is married to Bill Shorten, why would Rudd challenge so close to Parliament closing until the elections ?

      Commenter
      Geen
      Location
      Moss Vale
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:58PM
      • Let's see how the Independents react! I'm guessing it was a bluff, and Rudd knows it!

        Commenter
        beasleyst
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:09PM
    • Turnbull to switch parties, be elected unapposed as PM and beat Abbott at election. You know it makes sense.

      Commenter
      kcabotkcab
      Location
      Mlebourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:57PM
      • kcabotkcab
        Could not agree more, even if Turnbull stayed in the Liberal camp he would be more preferable than Abbott

        Commenter
        Geen
        Location
        Moss Vale
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:09PM
      • We could only hope.

        Commenter
        Dropbear
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:10PM
      • Oh, how I dream of this!

        Commenter
        HC
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:12PM
      • Yes, Turnbull with all his LNP values would fit well in the Labor party room. Seriuously, Turnbull is less of a messiabh than most would think

        Commenter
        Jitterry
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:17PM
      • The only problem is that Turnbull has a brain and would not want to be associated in anyway to a bh of unprincipled incompetents like labor.

        Commenter
        Denny
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:19PM
      • Love it!

        Commenter
        Miss Ward
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:46PM
      • crazy but it would work for the voters

        would work for Malcolm too, I think the only reason he didn't join the ALP is because he didn't fit into any faction, takes a very strong minded person to be unaligned, only one I know of was Button

        Commenter
        havasay
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:49PM
    • Please, Kevin Rudd oust julia gillard!!

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      The Land of Rudd
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:57PM
    • Is that pic at 12.51 of Rudd digging for votes?

      Commenter
      brian
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:55PM
    • 12.51. Now that is an interesting photo!

      Commenter
      Altered
      Location
      Esperance
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:55PM
    • We need Kevin to save us from Abbott, that's all there is to it.

      Without Kevin, we'll have a climate change denying mining puppet carving up the north end for the sake of a few mining dollars, the benefits of which we'll never see.

      Go Kev!!

      Commenter
      sarajane
      Location
      melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:54PM
      • @sarajane, why dont you save the environment by turning off your computer, not driving a car and sittting in the dark.

        Thats right because labor gave you your carbon tax payout, meaning you are one of the people not experiecing the rising utility costs.

        Commenter
        Dave
        Location
        Coogee
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:15PM
      • and where's your compo Dave of Coogee, are you saying you didn't get it ?

        Oh my god now there's another Abbott slogan

        - This government can't be trusted to give compo to LNP supporters, worse governement ever

        Commenter
        havasay
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:43PM
      • Now tell us how Labor's climate change works by increasing coal production from 220 - 500 million tonnes with growth projections of 800 million tonnes by 2017.

        One tonne of coal produces 2.86 tonnes of CO2, Current Australians coal production of about 500 million tonnes X 2.86 = 1.430 billion tonnes of CO2, 800 million tonnes of coal production equals 2.288 billion tonnes of CO2.

        So tell us about Gillard's climate change policy why don't you Sarahjane?

        Commenter
        Pen of hrba
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:59PM
      • Can we please have a photo of Abbott with a whopping smile on his face?

        Commenter
        Pen of hrba
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:01PM
      • It all smacks of the same level of integrity that gave us Gillard's climate change. It does not work, it never will work, it is not cost effective, it is insufficient and supports the opposition that is the coal industry?

        Commenter
        Pen of hrba
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:11PM
    • Picture of Rudd, with his a part of his new cabinet

      Commenter
      Jitterry
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:50PM
      • Adios Swan, Conroy, Garrett.

        You made your beds and now your Beds are Burning.

        Swan - no more Glory Days.

        Commenter
        Hacka
        Location
        Canberra
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:59PM
      • And no more red undies for Conroy

        Commenter
        thereisnoyouinLabor
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:03PM
    • No, nothing happening! It's just media and LNP beat-up, as always!

      Isn't it?????

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:50PM
      • Of course it is! The media is creating all this turmoil out of virtually nothing! Easy to see most are pro Abbott thanks to their owner ;)

        Commenter
        Kathy
        Location
        South Coast
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:26PM
    • Has Rudd found a backbone, or will he burn his backers again ?

      An open vote will obviously split the party pretty badly, who knows what will be left by Friday.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:50PM
      • I'll go for the burn on this one ... If he doesn't get chucked out I think he sees himself as the white knight on horseback riding in to rebuild the ALP post SEP 14. Mind you I wouldn't take bets on my political skills ;)

        Commenter
        mick_doe
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:10PM
    • What has Bill Shorten been up to in the last week? A very quiet nothing from him. It has all been Emerson, Conroy, Albanese and other Gillard backers but nothing from the playmaker. Too quiet for me. So has he been shut out as stated or planning his own move?

      Commenter
      Paul
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:50PM
      • Having tea with his mother-in-law to make sure she doesn't pull the plug on his friends in the government?

        Commenter
        Salvador Dalek
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:03PM
    • Gee, Harvey, with supporterrs like you no wonder Jules is in trouble!

      Commenter
      DLB
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:50PM
      • Remember Kerrs cur !

        Commenter
        Geen
        Location
        Moss Vale
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:20PM
    • At last they are moving! Going to be very interesting all around.

      Commenter
      Altered
      Location
      Esperance
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:49PM
    • I have watch Tony Windsor and Rob Oakshott since those 17 days of decision. I have admired them at every step— their ability to sure foot it through the jungle has been amazing. Their moral compass has been unerring and the bull shit meter near perfect. They don't represent me but they have set an example of Parliamentary behaviour and clear thinking and working for the community as a whole as well as their constituents which is exemplary. Congratulations guys, you deserve your pensions; have a good life!

      Commenter
      sangela
      Location
      wollongong
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:49PM
      • Everyone on the left admires the. Why not? They betrayed their electorates and installed an unprincipled immoral woman as PM. The important thing there is that she is a woman. Progressives love it. The fact that the country is in far worse shape thanks to her incompetence is neither here nor there.

        The labor pendents have done their job and should be remembered as labor heros.

        Commenter
        Denny
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:31PM
      • Yes well done you two , thanks for giving us this great government lol.
        enjoy retirement and please do not come back

        Commenter
        SG
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:17PM
    • As a Labor Party voter, Kevin Rudd should never have been removed as PM and I believe the party would not have been in this predictament. They now must put him back in as PM otherwise the party will be decimated at the election.

      Commenter
      hotpie
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:49PM
    • I think now all voters of Australia now agree with men of great reason & intelligence such as Bolt, Akerman, Jones & Henderson etc. Carbon tax is going away on Sept 14 to be replaced with nothing. Shame that Obama did not listen to the Australian Greats such as Bolt, Akerman, Jones etc.

      Commenter
      F&F Man
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:48PM
      • Obama is clever -- he'll get the credit for trying to 'stop global warming' even though he knows the Republican Congress will block his proposals and he'll never have to face up to their abject failure as Gillard did.

        Commenter
        JonJ
        Location
        Blaxland
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:18PM
    • If you support the people who formed the minority government, I urge you to watch the interviews with Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor on ABC Lateline recently.
      I think the independents did a fantastic job in this parliament.
      This has been a parliament that has achieved much for the future of the nation.
      THE MEDIA SHOULD HANG THEIR HEADS IN SHAME.

      Commenter
      Staz
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:47PM
      • Its all your fault Steph, apparently.

        Commenter
        SteveH.
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:59PM
      • I'll guarantee whose fault it is not.
        Knit 1 , pearl 2, Spin 3.

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:05PM
      • @Louis best post of the day! A Pearler

        Commenter
        gc
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:59PM
    • Good luck PM Rudd.

      I hope this vile wrong can be righted and the will of the people respected.

      Commenter
      Mark Seaton
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:44PM
    • There's nonsense, BS, crap and lies in politics. And then there is Tony Windsor and Rob Oakshott. I cant believe all the tripe in these blogs wrtten against these blokes, for the simple reason that they exercised their parliamentary rights and stuck to their guns.
      The Parliament is a better place for them being there and a poorer place when they leave.
      Anything else is sour grapes and poor form.

      Commenter
      The Guru
      Location
      Lane Cove
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:43PM
      • Another endorsement from Labor.

        I hope Jules gets a few this afternoon.

        Commenter
        SteveH.
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:45PM
      • Are you saying The Guru is an ALP spokesperson? How do you know?

        Commenter
        tasch2
        Location
        Mornington Peninsula
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:54PM
      • Poorer yes - they will live comfortably on their pollie super payouts for the rest of their life, the rest of us have to fund that payout.

        Commenter
        Paul B
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:05PM
    • Bob Katter puts the nation ahead of his party and himself, what about you Julia! What else do you need to show that the majority of Australian have turned you off and that the Labor party is going no where with you steering!

      Commenter
      John of Melbourne
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:42PM
    • All Labor politicians do these days is worry about themselves with in-house games.....Since Gillard became PM, they have done nothing....

      Commenter
      Andrew
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:41PM
      • You mean nothing you liked. I bet you were always picked last for teams.

        Commenter
        empho
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:50PM
      • Totally agree. This is one reason why QT should be removed from the political landscape.

        Commenter
        No question time
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:57PM
      • mate, you can criticise the government for a number of things they've done during this parliament, but it's patently ridiculous to criticise them for 'doing nothing'.

        Commenter
        snag
        Location
        melb
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:59PM
      • Actually empho, more often than not I was the captain picking the teams....

        Commenter
        Andrew
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:03PM
      • @ snag, yes sorry......climate change tax based on doctored research (when the IPCC scientists were asked to prove their findings, their research had been conveniently lost...are there shells in the Himalayas and in the desert?
        Let's not forget the useless mining tax.
        The Gonski report is a shambles, so it is health and the asylum situation.
        I haven't made my mind up about the NBN, but I think it will be too expensive.
        To me it seems that all Gillard has done is hit my back pocket....one that was empty to start with.
        I was a Labor supporter, but what I've seen since 2010 has disgusted me.

        Commenter
        Andrew
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:19PM
      • Sorry Andrew, you lost me at 'climate change is a massive global conspiracy'.

        Those damn pesky scientists are always trying to achieve world domination! Unlike the benevolent right-wing think tanks that fund the sort of bulldust reporting that you quote.

        Commenter
        snag
        Location
        melb
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:31PM
    • So this means that Joyce Barnaby gets a free go at New England, aaggghhhh!

      Commenter
      islander
      Location
      the island
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:40PM
    • BW
      you should have a look at local papers ( which can be read online )
      manningrivertimes, gloucesteradvocate, portstephensexaminer and myallcoastnota to see what is happening in the region between newcastle and port macquarie. oakeshott and winsdor have secured serious funding for their regions. the rest are struggling. Im sure they both have a nice board seat or seven to go to.

      Commenter
      smilingjack
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:38PM
    • Let's fact it the 2 party system is failing the people. The answer is more independents and a 3rd party to come to the fore in the HOR. Accountability, flexibility, compromise is actually a good thing.

      Commenter
      Jitterry
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:37PM
    • Tony Abbott's strategy of destroying the minority government is an epic fail.
      Not one no confidence motion - hilarious.
      You now want to elect him?
      Oh thats right the media worship campaign of Abbott has been in effect since the 2010 election.

      Commenter
      Staz
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:34PM
      • The ALP is doing it all by themselves - no help from LNP required

        Commenter
        Baltic13
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:43PM
      • Yes .... And thank God he will be leading this country in the near future. A true leader of an intelligent team with integrity, and the nations future the number one priority.

        Commenter
        Gary
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:50PM
      • Tony Abbott a great leader? Are we now turning to humor.
        He is not even a leader which has been demonstrated on various occasions, when he changes policy on the run and leaves his shadow ministers looking uncomfortable at best and stupid at worst.
        If the media put Abbott under some scrutiny, we could see how he performs "on the burning deck" as it were.
        If people are "turned off" by Gillard they at least deserve to hear what Abbott intends to do for our nation.

        Commenter
        Staz
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:56PM
      • Three leadership spills in three years, I'd say he is the most effective Opposition Leader in a long while...

        Commenter
        Jonathan C
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:02PM
      • Sept 14 will determine who is the epic . I'm willng to bet the family farm that its not Abbott.

        Commenter
        Denny
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:23PM
      • The independents have made a farce of democracy. They have supported a minority government and in return have received disproportionate funding / attention for their pet projects. Good riddance.

        Commenter
        Simon
        Location
        Canberra
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:33PM
    • What is wrong with the electorate that they could spew the horrific rubbish that passes for comment here?

      And has it escaped attention that Windsor would very likely have won again, being way ahead of Barnaby in the polls of New England?

      Commenter
      Roger
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:32PM
      • Of course Windsor and Oakeshott could win again and easily. They have taken their fair share of the public purse and people tell me they don't like pork barrelling.

        Commenter
        Opinion Only
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:44PM
    • I live in the NewEngland and did not vote for the independents BUT Ihave found Tony Windsor to be the most (if not only) effective FederalMP this electorate has had in the 27years I have been voting and living here. His presence in the electorate was/is immense and considering the distances he has to travel compared to someone in the metropolitan regions, this is saying something. He's regularly seen on the streets of all the centres in this region andhe welcomes all constituents approaching him with their needs and comments. I grew up in the safest seat in the country (in Sydney), never did I see an MP on the streets unless election time, never did I see an MP attenda a community meeting or function. I suggest those who are against Tony cannot see past their blinkered partypolitics and have forgotten what his main job was - to serve his electorate.
      The only reason Barnaby will win in Sept is because Tony will nolonger be running. Anyonewho tells you different is living in fantasy land - Tony would have won again easily. Today the electorate will sadly recognise that Barnaby will be our next MP. Bring on the CSG eh Barnaby - i'm sure you will argue that you were given a mandate to do so. I guess one positive is that when Barnaby takes over leadership of the NatParty we will know who leads that party and what they stand for....tell me again, who is Warren Truss, what does he look like, what does he stand for , what doeshe do?
      Good Luck for the future TonyWindsor and know that a lot of people in this country and especially your electorate, recognise what you gave up to serve us in such a dignified and magnificent way.

      Commenter
      annabel
      Location
      new england
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:30PM
      • Another endorsement from Labor.

        Commenter
        SteveH.
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:42PM
      • and I have never voted labor either

        Commenter
        annabel
        Location
        new england
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:48PM
      • Well said. A job well done under difficult circumstances. The output from this parliament shows that they made the right decision when they went with the ALP.

        SteveH - another comment from you with as much substance as a LNP slogan filled brochure.

        Commenter
        Rob68
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:59PM
      • Your job as an elected official in the House of Representatives is to serve the interests of Australia not just those of your electorate....Windsor et al fail on this count.

        Commenter
        Mikka
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:12PM
      • I totally agree Mikka and obviously shame on me for presuming that when a representative has a different political view to me that they are still acting in what they think the best interests of the country are.

        Commenter
        annabel
        Location
        new england
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:14PM
      • Plus a very large ONE.

        Commenter
        Whyalla Wipeout
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:24PM
    • Windsor and Oakeshott must be accountable for their actions...they totally betrayed their electorates and put this hopeless government in power. Good luck to them.....they would have both lost the next election anyway....

      Commenter
      paul
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:23PM
      • Polling would suggest you are wrong. Perhaps you feel betrayed but the majority of those that matter do not.

        Commenter
        tasch2
        Location
        Mornington Peninsula
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:37PM
      • Windsor & Oackshott are both cowards. They are a disgrace to their electorates. They are a disgrace to this nation. They should get zero "entitlements".

        Commenter
        JJ
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:46PM
    • Ego, ego and ego is the driving force of the 2 independents and they ultimately have to run because they cannot face the humiliation of being judged. They are tainted in the eyes of the vast majority of Australia and can be rightly held responsible for the disrespect people hold parliamentarians. They are no Peter Andren.

      Commenter
      BluTie
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:19PM
      • Your (and many others' here) sarcastic, judgemental condemnation of Windsor and Oakshott is pathetic. They have tried their hardest to make decisions not based on single party dogma and rhetoric but on principles and workable outcomes in often vexed issues.

        Your mob - specifically Abbott - hasn’t stopped carping about the 2010 outcome. Non-stop whiners for 3 years. Your born-to-rule ethos has resulted in more ugliness, and less focus on what matters, than I have ever experienced in my life.

        Well, it seems you’ll get your wish come September, so you’ll be able to shut up. The quiet will be deafening.

        But your attitude towards these two men in particular, will forever say more about your (lack of) character and decency than anything I could write here.

        Commenter
        You must be joking
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:50PM
      • Frankly, there's just a cigarette paper between the policy positions of the Coalition and ALP on anything that really matters. The perceived differences are purely cosmetic. Our media reinforces the notion that we have a real democracy in Australia - but this is a sham. The closest thing we have in this country to genuine diversity of thought is the Independents. While I may not agree with everything they ever say, I admire their courage and the fact that they're not part of the tweedledum / tweedledee faux democracy that the Coalition and ALP represent. I sincerely hope to see more independents elected after after September, despite the media's myopic focus on the Tony and Julia show.

        .

        Commenter
        democratoz
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:19PM
    • Such a shame to see some of the rot written in this column about Windsor and Oakeshott. You can only imagine how hard these guys have worked for their electorates in this parliament. They have acted at all times with honour, principle and decency. I sincerely wish there were 150 Windsors and Oakeshotts to vote for so we could see a real parliament.
      I wish both of them all the best for their futures.

      Commenter
      Chris
      Location
      Kiama
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:19PM
      • Hear hear!

        Commenter
        fleetfox
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:41PM
      • It's a shame they are not leaving today...

        The Windsor/Oakeshott show will still continue for a few months yet, and I see Windsor is still making demands...incredible..

        They will be seen as the ones who betrayed their electorate and backed the hopeless Gillard govenment...they will be held accountable for that..

        Commenter
        paul
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:44PM
      • @paul - I struggle to understand that this is what you believe when all objective evidence is to the contrary. It's a blight on political "debate" that such unreasoned vitriol passes as genuine opinion. Can you understand that the Nats have betrayed country electorates for most of the 50 years I have observed politics? I grew up in the country and know how little they have done. These two guys have got things done for their electorates - not just pork barreling, but real things such as infrastructure and educational facilities. You can sneer at the NBN but all you display is your ignorance.
        As to sneering at these two gentlemen I suggest you may wish to crawl back under the flat rock you describe as home.
        I promised myself I wouldn't bite at trolls, but there, I've done it. Damn!

        Commenter
        Chris
        Location
        Kiama
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:56PM
    • To be honest, this is all getting more like a circus. Can we please bring forward the election, not only to save us all from months of political uncertainty but to also save tax payer dollars on un-needed political advertising and spending. We know the change is around the corner.
      Give the $50mil on advertising to charity or better yet prop up and buy every kid a paddle-pop for friday afternoon tea.

      Commenter
      sydneyeast
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:16PM
      • Nobody has forced them anywhere Jerrie, they jumped ship of their own accord. It seems quite the fashion lately.

        Commenter
        SteveH.
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:16PM
    • Well Fitzgibbon might say he won't be "feeding the frenzy" but i'll bet he has a packet of peanuts in his pocket.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:15PM
      • Offer peanuts, get monkeys.

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:50PM
    • If Nelson Mandela passes away it would surely be unthinkable that Australia's Prime Minister wouldn't attend his funeral.

      I wonder if the LNP would hold off on a no confidence motion if that PM was Rudd?

      Commenter
      The Banker
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:13PM
    • I am so looking forward to a majority government so that these independents can be ignored again.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:12PM
    • Does anyone think these independents are leaving because they are "tired"?

      More likely because they don't want to suffer a humiliating defeat for their role in the fiasco of the last three years....

      Commenter
      Getting out just in time
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:11PM
      • Yes, they don't want to be hammered at the polls.

        However, rather than preside over a "fiasco" (that will come once Tony Abbott pushes the states to adjust abortion laws) the government has done some (well documented) good work under the most difficult of conditions.

        They actually invested in infrastructure and embarked on nation-building building initiatives, something John Howard's Liberals never did - to our detriment. It did provide them with an excellent electoral warchest, though.

        Commenter
        Ecks Why Zed
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:29PM
      • The public knows it.

        Commenter
        Franks
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:52PM
    • I actually reckon Tony and his cronies are p etrified of a Rudd return to power. They have Julia on the ropes, but a comeback by Rudd is their worst nightmare, a chance to rejuvenate the govt, and open up a whole new ball game. Rudd would pressure Tones to finally come out with his hidden policies and far Right agenda, that he is so loathe to divulge, not on Q and A, Lateline, or in any media. A Rudd comeback is the last thing Tones wants, and would give him big palpitations, as 3 months is still a long time in this political game. ! LOL

      Commenter
      Piesnchess
      Location
      Mt Evelyn
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:10PM
      • I would think that the election advertisements featuring the accolades of support, respect, and encouragement, expressed by the ALP inner sanctum, for Kevin, plus the departure of the( few) remaining front benchers who have promised to spit the dummy if Rudd is returned, would be just a LITTLE comforting for the Coalition.

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:57PM
    • I am saddened by the loss of these two good men. They can be proud of the courageous way they have conducted themselves. Rob Oakeshott's commitment to education, health,the NBN, climate change action, infrastructure and a compassionate attitude towards asylum seekers sets him so far apart from the LNP he could not in all conscience supported TA. If his electorate doesn't understand that then they don't really follow politics. I'm afraid ugly Australia has forced them out of parliament.
      I don't blame them for going. They deserve the chance to lead happier lives with their families. What a nasty lot of comments here from the ugly Australians

      Commenter
      Jerrie
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:09PM
      • Nobody has forced them anywhere Jerrie, they jumped ship of their own accord. It seems quite the fashion lately.

        Commenter
        SteveH.
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:16PM
      • Plus a very large ONE.

        Commenter
        Whyalla Wipeout
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:24PM
      • The independents have made a farce of democracy. They have supported a minority government and in return have received disproportionate funding / attention for their pet projects. Good riddance.

        Commenter
        Simon
        Location
        Canberra
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:33PM
    • "...oh look at the rats deserting the sinking ship...haha.." says the chorus of LNP nitwits. Yeah, but are you ready for the new rats - some wearing tophats and other in RMWilliams?

      Commenter
      Fozbungle
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:07PM
      • And the ALP "knit " wits sit back and watch today's Julia unravel democracy at the seams.

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:17PM
    • Let's presume that Kevin Rudd leads the ALP to the next election.

      Will he have the capacity to explain to the average voter how they will be better off?

      The answer has to be yes.

      At the moment Tony and the party for the millionaires is getting a policy free ride.
      Just do the maths, most people I know will be really out of pocket,by several thousand dollars a year.

      Julia Gillard seems unable to get this across.

      Commenter
      Rod
      Location
      the Coast
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:04PM
      • Gillard is unable to get across anything

        Commenter
        sedona
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:26PM
      • Nobody in the Labor party trusts or likes Rudd so why should the electorate?

        Commenter
        Denny
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:32PM
    • Goodbye Tony Windsor.
      You were the finest lower house member in a decade or longer. One of a dying few who was actually there to represent his electorate and the country.

      I don't know what the Health issue that has brought this on is, but the parliament and the country will be poorer for having lost you. All the best.

      Commenter
      Jimmy
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 12:00PM
      • Yes, Labor will miss him.

        Commenter
        SteveH.
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:09PM
    • Good riddance to both Windsor and Oakshot. They both betrayed their electorates and were too cowardly to face them again. A disgrace.

      Commenter
      bw
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:59AM
      • Exactly how did Windsor and Oakeshott they betray their electorates, bw? You can't even put your real name on your letter, yet you call someone else a coward? They were elected as independents. If the voters there had wanted Abbott, they could have voted a National Party member in, but they didn't. Stop spouting nonsense from the shock jocks and grow a brain of your own.

        Commenter
        Chris Haviland
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:15PM
      • I'll tell you how they betrayed their electorates; (1) they were both former National Party members, so electors would be bound to presume they subscribed to National Party Principles (2) Polls in their electorates after the election showed the electorate would prefer them to support a coalition government (3) Windsor openly admitted after siding with Labor that he did it purely to save his own skin. They were elected to govern on behalf of their constituents. Yet they ignored their wishes to further their own egos.

        Commenter
        wee
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:45PM
    • Gee, last time I looked, an international flight can be cancelled. Just a click of a button. No show of hands required there.

      Commenter
      ready for take off
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:58AM
    • I bet we don't see Craig Thomson resigning. He needs the cash!

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:57AM
    • Can someone in Ageland please restore the comments to across the page? Not all of us like squinting into a little column 1/4 of the page width.

      Commenter
      Gen Ys are running the place it seems.
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:56AM
      • You need to wear glasses for reading like I do. I'm happy with the format because I'm not forever bouncing between the top and the bottom of the increasingly long stage.

        Commenter
        Whyalla Wipeout
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:23PM
    • @Harvey agree but 50% voters don't like
      Abbott ,Rudd and Gillard are no one favourite.Most likly a hung parliament. Abbott so far so good at the poll when come election time things could change,can't fool
      All time.

      Commenter
      Lindsay
      Location
      North Shore
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:55AM
    • Is it possible that Rudd will give up his seat on the flight to China for Julie Bishop ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:51AM
      • Perhaps he will give it up for Julia Gillard. She might want to be leaving town for a break soon.

        Commenter
        Altered
        Location
        Esperance
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:05PM
    • Some of the sycophantic comments here are hysterical. If they were such “upstanding” MPs full of “integrity” then why are they running from a fight they know they are going to lose? Because today – like 3 years ago – its still only about THEM and their moment in the spotlight. I love it how they mention “family” and other noble sounding reasons for running – strange how “family” only becomes an issue after 17 years when you’re suddenly in for a hiding. Take your taxpayer-funded safari in Africa and please – do us all a favour and stay there.

      Commenter
      Realist
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:51AM
    • Adam Brandt
      Are you next
      You should be!

      Commenter
      paulk
      Location
      melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:51AM
    • And they can shut the door behind them on the way out!

      Commenter
      makingmatter
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:48AM
    • The last thing I would want to see is Rudd take the leadership. This seems like an agenda being pushed by those who would see the Libs take power come September. I think the dislike for Julia is overstated, and certainly no worse than the dislike for Rudd.

      Commenter
      Dan
      Location
      Coogee
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:46AM
    • Is it my imagination or is Kevin looking especially well groomed and dressed this morning in the photo at 9.31?

      Commenter
      Altered
      Location
      Esperance
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:44AM
      • As always with Kev - no one knows what he is up to - including both of himself

        Commenter
        gc
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:54AM
      • And he's wearing a blue tie, significant?

        Commenter
        Bbel Fish
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:07PM
    • These two should hang here head in shame They do not have the guts to stand up tp the electorate and be judged They both achieved nothing and only succeeded in increasing their Super funds They help dismantle this counrty Good ridance

      Commenter
      murray
      Location
      syd
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:42AM
    • Oakeshott's popularity rating in his electorate is almost down to single figures - principally because he backed an utterly incompetent PM like Gillard, and against the wishes of his constituents. No surprise to see him going - before he faces an electoral thrashing.

      Commenter
      goodline
      Location
      Newcastle
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:41AM
      • Well they will still receive a thrashing as they are not going until the election, but the won't care as they have already said they are going anyway

        Commenter
        Lady
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:54AM
      • Interesting that so many apparently clear Coalition supporters voted for an Independent in their electorate. Following your logic, if even Coalition supporters didn't support the Coalition, why should Oakeshott?

        Commenter
        Andy
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:37PM
    • The Independents are being so irresponsible by prolonging the agony and not bringing on an election now !...The result is a foregone conclusion, so why won’t they just get it over with rather than hanging on until September ? Unless they have something against Gillard and want to see her humiliated at the ballot box ?

      Commenter
      Lady
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:40AM
      • @Lady

        Its very simple, when you have over $300k of annual salary , who would want to go 3 months early?

        Commenter
        Harry
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:51AM
      • Hadn't though of that ! I guess I was being naive in thinking that their gold-plated super would be enough for them...

        Commenter
        Lady
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:03PM
    • Thank you Tony Windsor for being a great Aussie politician. You were a joy for us everytime. You showed us how it could be done, with humour and a big heart. We loved you for having the great bravery for letting it rip on Tony Abbott, No truer words were said about him. Tony Abbott is a disgrace to our nation and always will be in my eyes. You are the true aussie hero, loyal to your people, and loyal to the PM doing a very good job. Many cheers and love to you and best in the future.

      Commenter
      Rox
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:40AM
      • And thanks also for keeping the most unpopular PM in Ausrtralian political history in power right to the bitter end.

        Commenter
        SteveH.
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:47AM
    • I will genuinely miss Tony Windsor. He seemed to have quite the level head and came off as very genuine when he spoke his mind. It would seem his electorate felt the same with polls indicated he was likely to be re-elected if he had run again.

      The only other politician I have similar regard for is Nick Xenaphon. It is unfortunate there are less politicians like them representing us.

      I feel Australia should not fear independants although admittedly not all are made equal. Afterall it would seem being an independant is the only way a politician can stand up and present their beliefs, views and policies without internal party politics and group think obscuring their view or forcing representation of something which goes against their own ideology.

      Commenter
      ninjapanda
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:39AM
      • Well said. Windsor and Oakeshott are/were luminaries of integrity in an otherwise continuously disappointing Parliament. Time for the media to grow up too. The 'leadership crisis' x 3 is manufactured rubbish.

        Commenter
        Kerry L
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:58AM
    • As a Gillard supporter, I think she should call a meeting of the party and declare a spill of all leadership,positions and say that she isn't contesting. Under these circumstances, I'd be surprised if Rudd would get in, and it is an opportunity to move on to the next generation of leaders who can take the party to perhaps a noble defeat and rebuild for reelection in the not too distant future.

      Commenter
      Harvey
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:37AM
      • JULIA GILLARD HAS DONE A GREAT JOB. HOWEVER THE PRINCIPLE REMAINS. KEVIN RUDD SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN REMOVED. WHY? LABOR BECAME IN POWER BECAUSE OF HIM. HE MAY NOT BE THE BEST LEADER FOR HIS TEAM, BUT HE IS WHAT THE COUNTRY DEMANDS. PUT HIM BACK ON.

        Commenter
        FAIR PERSON
        Location
        HOBART
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:49AM
      • Please push the CAPS LOCK button once, and once only.

        Commenter
        homeless penguin
        Location
        ACT
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:01PM
      • Didn't she already play the two out of three game.... and win three out of three!

        Of course men just hate to lose... particularly to a woman.

        Commenter
        Daisy May
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:02PM
      • My hope is that Shorten puts his hand up, that really will be the end of Labor.
        How could he possibly be a PM, he has not done a days work in his life.
        What is more important for the country and the economy, is to get rid of The Greens. Maybe leave just couple so that we can have a good laugh.

        Commenter
        thepres
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:06PM
      • ..you can dream about Gillard not contesting, she has no idea how much support she lost..it is about saving seats of MPs not about loyalty

        Commenter
        sedona
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:23PM
      • I think it has just about come down to this too.

        Commenter
        RTP.
        Location
        Sawtell
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:24PM
      • Julia Gillard has no thought for her party..thats obvious. Can't see her doing as you suggest.

        Commenter
        thereisnoyouinLabor
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:31PM
      • The only problem with that approach as that whoever got elected leader then, may not be there after the election...

        Commenter
        Art
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:00PM
      • As a non-supporter of any of these clowns on both sides, I think the best outcome for Labor to go through annihilation at polls in order to get rid of every person who are unable to hear what people are saying.
        I do not see why KRudd shall rush into the office right now - to save the buttocks of those who do not deserve to be anywhere near the Parliament.
        It would be much better if Labor Party burns to the ground and a new one will be built on the site of old rotten building.
        Then it will be the Libs turn - they learnt nothing from 2007 annihilation - still this "back to 50s" frame of mind.

        Commenter
        dinkumnet
        Location
        dinkumnet.com
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:07PM
      • Good idea but do not forget the elephant in the room, as i stated earlier, if the independents do not support Rudd, Abbott will go to the G.G. & he & his party will take over Government

        Commenter
        Geen
        Location
        Moss Vale
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:28PM
      • Harvey stop reading and watching The Media for your information of a Labor Party Leadership challenge claim.

        Commenter
        keith
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:01PM
      • And that worked s well for any state labor change over.
        Every single one who tried to hold the party together was gone soon after each election defeat.
        No one want to hold a poisoned chalice

        Commenter
        WhatThe
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:11PM
    • Well there will be no carbon tax under a government Obama leads.

      How interesting that today of all days the US announces its climate strategy. It sounds quite like a Direct Action Plan.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:37AM
      • It IS a direct action plan.

        Commenter
        luker
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:51AM
      • And who is paying for it, the taxpayer just like the LNP. Now explain how much this direct action will cost us.

        Commenter
        invamore
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:00PM
      • invamore - i shouldn't think the Obama plan will cost us too much.

        On the other hand the carbon tax is costing us rather a lot - have you opened your electricity bill recently ?

        Commenter
        Hacka
        Location
        Canberra
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:05PM
      • Don't knock it Hacka it so advanced of carbon tax scam it is embarrassing to even compare the two. Arizona alone has more green energy than the whole of Australia. The American's are far from stupid unlike Australians, who allow Gillard to rip us off with the most inefficient green energy available to the benefit of increased coal production and the mining industry. Meanwhile the U.S. is forging ahead installing CSP (concentrated solar power with salt storage) on a massive scale.

        Commenter
        Pen of hrba
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:17PM
      • "There will be no Government I lead under a Carbon Tax" -unedited transcript, 2010.

        Commenter
        homeless penguin
        Location
        ACT
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:17PM
      • Hacka, have you checked what percentage of the increase is due to the carbon tax, and what is due to state governments allowing 'poles and wires' increases?
        The NSW Government, run by the Coalition, is predicting price DECREASES over the next 5 years, even with the Carbon Tax included.

        Commenter
        Mathew
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:22PM
      • Yes Mathew - energy prices have risen about 18% this year, half being due to the carbon tax.

        Pretty reckless in a wobbly economy wouldn't you think ?

        Pen - haven't read all the Obama details but i dare say he didn't fall for the green lobby's overblown scaremongering unlike our leading knitter.

        Commenter
        Hacka
        Location
        Canberra
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:39PM
      • In 1991 Windsor was originally a National Party candidate for the seat of Tamworth, but National Party endorsed another candidate. Windsor won as an independent candidate and held the seat for ten years. His decision to support the Coalition ensured a second term in government for Greiner’s Liberal/National Coalition. Windsor won the seat of New England, and in doing so, defeated the incumbent National Party member, however the National Party and its predecessor, the Country Party, had held New England continuously since 1922.

        Given that Windsor’s political record throughout his career leans towards the Coalition only the credulous would try to convince us that the electorate of New England are Labor supporters and that is why they voted for Windsor, who has a lifetime record of supporting the very opposite. I repeat it is the electorate’s wishes that have priority and not the wishes of the candidate, or is this logic a little too hard for the understanding of common sense?

        Commenter
        Pen of hrba
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:10PM
      • Shorten is wearing a tie symbolic of six for one and half a dozen for the other. He is probably has confused as the whole parliamentary membership. Put in for the leadership, Bill and pray the pie lady is not a member of caucus?

        Commenter
        Pen of hrba
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:17PM
      • There you go: the entire national education policy debated and ended in no time to have a proper a debate? Classic Labor policy shunted through as a last resort before they go into self destruct mode.

        For the people's sake Shorten, Rudd, or Miss Incompetent call an election today and put an end to this farce of a government once and for all.

        Commenter
        Pen of hrba
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:26PM
    • Beautiful warm and appreciative comments from the PM in regard to the two independents retirements. She definitely hit the bullseye this time.

      Commenter
      Altered
      Location
      Esperance
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:34AM
      • Yes, well they've given her more loyal service than half the Labor Party has,
        no wonder she's grateful.

        Commenter
        SteveH.
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:43AM
      • I think auto correct has let you down

        Certainly bullseye, and hit should be there

        But I suggest you meant to combine the two words into a more apt descriptor.

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:50AM
      • That's very creatively witty Louis. Have you thought of a career in advertising?

        Commenter
        Riverman
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:01PM
    • Thank you, Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott, for a job well-done under extremely difficult conditions. You showed integrity, honesty, sincerity and dedication through your time in parliament, working for all Australians -not just those of your electorates. If only there were more parliamentarians like you...

      Commenter
      VSL
      Location
      Inverloch
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:30AM
    • "But the Coalition is crying foul at the "absolutely obscene" rush to pass the laws with about two and a half hours set aside for the debate."

      When has the coalition not cried foul? While flinging invective like monkeys, they cry foul every time someone says 'boo' to one of them. They are the most miserable crybabies in the history of this country's politics.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:29AM
      • This for Gonski - unfunded - why would you vote for something to be funded in the never never

        Commenter
        Baltic13
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:45AM
      • Mr Windsor has been doing all the crying today WW, others to follow soon.

        Commenter
        SteveH.
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:50AM
    • Ohhh - this is hilarious!!! Katter has just come out saying he would vote for Kevin in a confidence motion. That just cancelled out Windsor's threat. This is better than a movie script!!!

      Commenter
      Art
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:25AM
      • Those funny Queenslanders certainly do like to stick together. Not so much out of loyalty as out of fear. It tends to drive them all in the same direction, much like a bunch of sheep. Easily herded.

        Commenter
        Fozbungle
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:18PM
    • I see Obamas saving the world from warming plan is much the same as Abbotts not labors stuuuupid carbon tax

      Commenter
      happy days ahead
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:21AM
      • Obama want POLLUTERS TO PAY for excess carbon if they don't meet reduction targets.
        Abbott wants to PAY THE POLLUTERS to not produce the carbon.
        How are they even remotely similar?

        Commenter
        Mathew
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:35AM
      • Is that why Gillard paid OneSteel $600m to cut pollution from the Whyalla Steelworks? I thought it was wrong to pay polluters to stop polluting. Oh I see... it's only wrong when it's Liberals doing it. It's right when Labor does it.

        Commenter
        Bobby More
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:15PM
    • Men of integrity, standing on their own in front of the machine. Thanks, you will be sorely missed

      Commenter
      Bill V
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:20AM
    • With everything going on in Canberra, it is not strange that Europeans laugh at Australia and regard it a developing country. I do too.

      Commenter
      Barnacle
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:14AM
      • The same Europeans who wish they had an economy and jobless rate as good as ours?

        Commenter
        waxer
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:32AM
      • The days of Europeans smuggly lecturing the rest of the world are well and truly over, mate.

        Commenter
        Harvey
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:44AM
      • What, you mean Belgium with its lack of elected government for a 18+ month period? Or Italy with elections seemingly every two weeks? France which either seems to have the extreme right or the extreme left in power and no control over its unions? Greece which has no money? The governments of the richer countries who can't agree on how to handle the loan-defaulting by poorer countries? Even the mighty UK isn't having the greatest time wondering if they should pull out of the UE.

        Although I am no fan of this hung parliament nor of the performance of either major party I don't think Europe as a collective has a right to laugh at us.

        Commenter
        Thomas
        Location
        Frenchs Forest
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:51AM
      • Being European myself I find that statement indefensible. I know NOBODY in Europe who wouldnt swap immediately for our economic indicators, standard of living, and dont even mention climate! As for political stability and class of politicians have you had a look at Italy, Slovakia, Spain, France lately?

        Commenter
        Czechitout
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:55AM
      • Yes waxer, and when our economy was so called at it's absolute strongest, Julia gave us a record $54.6 billion deficit in just one year. Seven years of deficits. Man if I needed to borrow for 7 straight years to run my business the receivers would have been in long ago. But you just keep on comparing us against basket cases. After we perform more poorly than europe you can jump to the sub continent!

        Commenter
        Ship
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:41PM
    • We have no need for the various traditional polls any longer.
      The best way to gauge the future of our politicians is the 'Women's Weekly index'.
      Can someone check what stories about politicians are in the editorial pipeline of these high brow, feminist magazines? this will surely be the indicator of who will run the country.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party/Greens La La Land
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:13AM
    • Sorry to see Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott go. They have been the standard setters in this parliament. Minimal bs from both of them. All the members of the 2 big parties could learn something from the way they have conducted themselves.

      Commenter
      ciclista
      Location
      Box Hill
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:13AM
      • +1
        I am also dismayed at the vitriolic bile being written in these comments. These were two good men trying to do the best for their electorates and the country, as opposed to many others who were just trying to save their own skins. I wish them well.

        Commenter
        Lambsie
        Location
        Costa del Palmer
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:31AM
      • How does your claim of a minimum of BS sit with Oakshott indulging in a 17 minute ramble in attempting to justify his ignoring the fact that he represents an overwhelmingly conservative electorate, and then decides to support a minority Labor Government. BS of the highest order, in my opinion. However, at least Windsor was brief and to the point in his address.

        Commenter
        Nick
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:35AM
      • His electorate voted for him as an independent, not a conservative.
        I don't see the issue with him taking 17 minutes to make his announcement. It was an imporrtant decision. No one was making you watch it.
        I don't see any BS there.

        Commenter
        ciclista
        Location
        Box Hill
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:47AM
      • Agreed with the first few comments.
        ...and to you complaining about the 17 minute for a speech...are you really that bothered by 17 minutes of speaking from however many years ago? Really? Because you need a freaking reality check about how much of the nation's time has collectively been wasted by both the major parties in the months and years since. Get a grip.

        Commenter
        frank
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:52AM
      • You can argue semantics all you like. The fact is, Oakshott was elected by a conservative electorate, and they had the right to expect a conservative independent... not a Labor independent You are correct that is was an important decision, but it was the wrong decision, both from the perspective of Oakshott representing the majority of his electorate, and, in hindsight, the results of his decision (ie a bad Government that got worse). I still maintain that Oakshott's 17 minutes of fame (or infamy) was a classic case of BS, and it was a trend continued by him through this Parliament, as evidenced by the fact that he declined to withdraw his support for the Labor Government despite being shafted by Gillard on a number of the core promises he claimed were behind his support... BS again.

        Commenter
        Nick
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:00PM
      • It's not semantics Nick, it's how they voted. If his electorate had wanted a conservative member then they would've voted for one. Fact is that they didn't.
        No BS, however you want spin it.

        Commenter
        ciclista
        Location
        Box Hill
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:08PM
    • The only meaningful comment on this outcome is both made their calls 3 years too late. Australia and we the voters deserved much better than this. An early election in 2011 would have settled the outcome but then again, it was "all about windsor & oakeshott" never we the people. They revelled in the glory of their balance of power and damaged this country as a result. Integrity, nope, ego, yep!

      Commenter
      kfr
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:04AM
      • Yes, it was never about the will of the people. The will of the people has gone cattle-class on this train wreck. How can the voters always be right when they are forced to travel cattle-class.

        Commenter
        bg
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:19AM
      • Tony Windsor is the one of the few parliamentarians that I respect and will be missed what a great PM he would have made!!

        Commenter
        George
        Location
        East Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:20AM
      • The "will of the people" was absolutely reflected by the make up of the current parliament. The fact that 2 democratically elected right leaning independants chose to exercise that independence by allowing Labor to form government is very telling. Who better to make such a judgement when they work with both parties every day. I hope those that come after Window and Oakshot can meet the high standard of integrity and fortitude that they have set.

        Commenter
        Mike
        Location
        Central Coast
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:52AM
      • The will of the people was subverted. Like many people (approx 6%), I voted informal. The informal vote produced a hung parliament.

        Commenter
        bg
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:02PM
    • good riddance. this man who doesn't know how to use a computer gave us this divided and hopeless government, talked them into spending billions and billions of dollars on an outdated and useless nbn scheme when the money could have paid for roads, hospitals, trains, and decent telephone coverage in country areas . you will NOT be fondly remembered . you and oakeshot should have had the guts to let the electorate kick you out , but then looking how you supported the Gillard camp who knifed a democratically elected prime minister in the back with lies about poll numbers, democracy wasn't your strong point

      Commenter
      waxer
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:02AM
      • Howard had billions and didn't spend it on roads, hospitals or schools.
        Outdated NBN? Have you seen the Liberal NBN?, it still uses COPPER wires!

        Commenter
        matf
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:14AM
      • Yup, both ran rather than stayed and faced the music....

        Commenter
        Commando - Involved again
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:23AM
      • who cares about nbn, it's a smoke screen. I travelled around Australia last year and I had fast Internet wherever I had phone service- which was hardly anywhere, fix up the phone service and you can get fast Internet as well, the savings should be spent on real life things - the nbn has hardly any take up rates anyway, neither side should spend such outrageous amounts on this outdated rubbish- we will be like the USA stuck with vastly inferior NTSC systems when if they waited a bit they could have been running PAL.

        Commenter
        waxer
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:30AM
      • The NBN IS fixing the outdated infrastructure known as the copper wire phone service. You can just use the voice port if you don't want broadband. NBN isn't just for fast internet, it's upgrading the very expensive to maintain copper wire infrastructure with a faster, cheaper and up-to-date fibre optics.

        Commenter
        Traveller
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:57AM
      • The NBN will not be outdated for decades upon decades. You plainly just don't know what you're talking about. Pure Dunning Kruger effect m'fraid.

        Commenter
        andrew
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:10PM
      • You don't elect a Prime Minister. The party appoints the leader, and inturn if that party wins the election that leader becomes Prime Minister.

        If you intend to vote in the upcoming election I suggest you learn how our parliamentary system works first.

        Commenter
        sugardaddy
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:24PM
    • The commentary trail is particularly bilious and offensive today. Ugly comments most say more about the authors than the subjects. But then this forum was never intended for constructive debate.

      Commenter
      Lippy Queen
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:01AM
      • That is the Gillard legacy, it has evolved from the Keating legacy. Blame Rudd for everything, forget he won in 2007, and whatever you do, don't mention Craig Thomson.

        Commenter
        bg
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:20AM
      • slippery and thomo come to mind, or do you want to talk about the dirty deals done with the greens, or the knifing of rudd? There is so much to choose from. Blue tie wars, gender wars, race riot on australia day. 300 billion in debt. theres an issue for every day of this parliament, and you expect the public as mindless suckers that dont care or are totally oblivious. keep dreaming.

        Commenter
        ok lets talk about gillard
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:33PM
    • Both running with their tails between their legs. They know they have significantly contributed to the mess we are, and as far as the election goes, they are toast. They do not have the backbone to face the electorate.

      Commenter
      John
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 11:01AM
      • What mess? You might be in a mess but I am not. None of my family are. The country is not. Low unemployment, jogged past a world wide recession, low interest rates for us with mortgages, low inflation, my business is doing it pretty well, increased funding in education and the glass seems pretty full to me.
        Have just a little bit of grace and a modicum of objectivity. Best wishes to Windsor and Oakshot , I have been grateful for their public service, attention to detail, fair mindedness and good humour..

        Commenter
        We have it pretty good.
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:35PM
    • Messrs Oakeshott and Windsor - you will be sorely missed.

      Commenter
      Fond Farewell
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:57AM
      • Only by Labor.

        Commenter
        SteveH.
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:00AM
      • Really, Steve H?

        Shows how much you know, doesn't it?

        Commenter
        Fond Farewell
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:20AM
      • If through some grave error, Windsor/Oakeshott back the Coalition in 2010, this place wld be a third world country by now. All the best fellas

        Commenter
        Doc
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:25AM
    • It amazes me how many people simply don't understand the nature of a hung parliament. The independents were perfectly free to negotiate with either of the major parties to form government. It aint perfect but it's called democracy. Neither of these men "betrayed" their electorates, in fact they got the best possible deal for their constituents. I can only presume that their accusers would have been perfectly happy had they sided with the Coalition because, somehow, "that's what the people wanted" In fact the electorate was almost evenly divided - hence the hung parliament. We voted for it - we got it. Could there a more perfect expression of democracy?

      Commenter
      marcus
      Location
      west coast
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:56AM
      • You are entirely and deliberately missing the point that it was the funding, the sweat and toil of volunteers and a platform opposed to Labor which put these two in office. To turn and support the very opposite of that determined by the electorate that one represents is not an act of democratic principle. No amount of B.S. can change this fact

        Commenter
        Pen of hrba
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:08AM
      • And here was I thinking they were elected as independents!! What does that word mean to you?

        Commenter
        marcus
        Location
        west coast
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:17AM
      • Do you live in one of those electorates Pen? I for one do not so am not aware of how either independent campaigned. Are you saying that their campaign was pro conservative, or was it anti-coalition too? I presume since they defeated National candidates it was at least partially anti-coalition.

        After the final Siren blew they had to make a decision, based upon lobbying. We have heard enough to know what that lobbying consisted of and the path each chose as a result. The electorate elected an independent. If they wanted a coalition member they would have voted National. If they wanted an ALP member they would have voted ALP. Obviously the electorate wanted neither. I the hung parliament situation it is incumbent upon them to make a decision about support/supply. What would have them do instead, resign and bring on a by-election? Would this not let down all those volunteers who believed in them and sweated for the cause.

        Why was their decision undemocratic? They have achieved much for their electorates as I understand. Again I don't live there so I cannot tell whether they have followed their campaign in terms of delivering what they set out to do but ultimately that is all that was incumbent upon them to do. The nature of he result demanded that they make a decision on who to support.

        If you don't like the decision they made fair enough, but to say its undemocratic is far fetched.

        Commenter
        tasch2
        Location
        Mornington Peninsula
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:25AM
      • Unfortunately the vitriolic LNP don't get it as Pen's statement attests. We as the voting public couldn't decide between J.G and T.A. Labor/LNP and therefore the indedants considered arguments from both sides and went with JG/Labor and the LNP and TA have been crying ever since.

        Commenter
        Rob68
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:32AM
    • Obviously there is too much heat back in the electorate. Who wants to return for a 3 month break and be vilified every day, maybe even assaulted, for supporting Julia Gillard and the union faceless men. Whatever legislative marvels have been created they don't make up for the economy going down the tubes. Yesterday was the first time I have heard Swanny admit there was anything wrong. Really they are useless people.

      Commenter
      bg
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:56AM
    • Those ignoramuses prattling on about Labor destroying the country (swallowing Abbott's blatant lies and distortions ) may enjoy listening to Russell Crowe, http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3789536.htm

      Commenter
      CliffB
      Location
      Adelaide
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:56AM
      • Russell Crowe?

        Yes that makes sense.. somewhere.

        Commenter
        Puzzled
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:07AM
      • I looked at your transcript and Russell Crowe with his economist hat on seems to confuse Australia with the tourist powered economies such as Greece. Seems to think Australia is headed for a permanent NZ style recession. Where does he get these ideas, acting school perhaps.

        Commenter
        bg
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:13AM
      • Who is Russell Crowe

        Commenter
        terry
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:21AM
      • The lefties bringing in Russel Crowe as a credible economist! Ha ha. Gold!
        I guess the real world can look pretty nasty from the safety of your penthouse.

        This from me, and I don't even mind the bloke.

        Commenter
        mick_doe
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:27PM
    • Cowards run and this is exactly what oakshot is doing... after betraying his conservative electrotate the least he could do was allow them to show him how much they disagreed with his support for the labor party.

      Commenter
      andy
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:54AM
      • In one three year period, despite the propaganda from the LNP cheer squad/media busddies, these two blokes have done more for rural and regional Australia than the Nationals have in decades. No wonder they abandoned the Nats - especially after the filth they flung at these two. Looking forward to seeing how these electorates fair once returned to the 'entitled' nats.

        Commenter
        Save the wilderbeest
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:09AM
    • I am very proud and grateful to have had Tony as my local member. He is a good man who has been a fantastic local member. It is so disappointing to see so much vitriol directed at him and other politicians. We are so blessed in this country, yet all we do is complain. Sure, we need to hold our politicians to account but not with the level of nastiness we have been doing it with. I will be very sad to see Tony go. I was looking forward to voting for him come September!

      Commenter
      JoLoGo
      Location
      New England
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:54AM
      • I am equally upset but for the very opposite reason - no greater pleasure would I have had to vote him out!

        Commenter
        JJ
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:03AM
    • I'm signing off for the remainder of the election campaign.

      The actions and words of the politicians, whatever you may think of them, pales in comparison with the utterly disgraceful & damning comments I've read in this 'comments collumn'. If that's who we Australians are, we just don't deserve the freedom & quality of life we all enjoy.

      Commenter
      Village Green
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:53AM
      • Agree.

        Commenter
        JoLoGo
        Location
        New England
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:15AM
      • Division, distraction, denial, desperation.

        All knitted nicely.

        Thank you Ms Gillard.

        An " amazing" Prime Minister.

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:21AM
      • Many of the comments are disturbing in their hatred I agree Village Green. Tony Windsor commented that the level of vitriol had taken it's toll on himself and his family. We can see a small part of it on display here. It amazes me that in a moment like this so many choose to attack rather than to demonstrate some respect and grace, or simply remain silent. Times certainly have changed, and not for the better in regard to civil discourse and manners.

        Commenter
        Altered
        Location
        Esperance
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:25AM
      • You're only reaching this point now? Since day dot of this hung parliament there has been a steady stream of some of the most idiotic vitriol from both sides, but particularly from coalition voters. A clear majority of this has been uniformed, mindless claptrap that they have swallowed hook, line and sinker from the party mouthpieces. I'm certainly no apologist for the current Gillard government but the most profoundly disturbing aspect of all this is just how little people seem to look beyond a superficial level with many of these issues. Buoyed by the Murdoch press, armed with a grab bag of slogans and an overinflated sense of self importance they clog these comment sections with their drivel. The whole process has convinced me that we are predominantly a nation of small minded idiots and, quite frankly, we deserve what we get.

        Commenter
        Tim
        Location
        Formerly of Footscray
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:36AM
    • I am sad to see that these two honest and diligent men have decided not to remain in parliament. If only the many people suckered in by the LCP hate policy (their only revealed policy BTW) would think for themselves for once, they would realise that EVERY politician should act like these two... read the bills and vote according to what you think is best for the country, NOT what some backroom grub or helicoptered in spin doctor tells you.

      We would be in a far far better position if we had dozens of Oakeshotts and Windsors, to truly keep the bastards honest.

      Sorry to see you go!

      Commenter
      TonyStott
      Location
      Forster, NSW
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:52AM
    • The number of Retiring MP's from the govt benches has to be a record. (does anyone know?)
      Ferguson
      Gibbons
      Greirson
      Jenkins
      Livermore
      McClelland
      Roxon
      Bishop
      Crossin
      Hogg
      Windsor
      Oakeshott
      If these people don't think it is worth supporting Labor anymore, why should anyone else??

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:52AM
      • Is that in addition to the 12 Lib and Nat senators and MP who are retiring because they don't want to be part of a potential future government that has TA as a prime minister

        Commenter
        Graham
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:24AM
    • Both these blokes are running scared. There is no chance of either of them winning their seats and Tony Windsor's rot about believing he can win is just delusional. The people of New England are disgusted with him and in the words of Leo Amery when calling for Neville Chamberlain's resignation from his position as British Prime Minister in 1940, I say to both Windsor and Oakeshott, "You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!"

      Commenter
      Watchdog
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:51AM
    • So now we know it's Independants Day, I wonder if we will see Kevin's mothership of an ego come hovering over Parliament House....

      Commenter
      Halfback
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:46AM
      • Nice

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:24AM
    • Now that the LNP trolls and our independent journalist have anointed the LNP to their rightful position of power, could you please explain how their policies will be a benefit to Australia. I am but a mere voter but I am struggling to understand how anyone believes climate change will go away with a tax subsidy to the coal miners. Congratulations to the LNP on their victory but in the words of Dylan "with truth so far off, what good will it do"

      Commenter
      invamore
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:46AM
      • Firstly answer a question that has been asked a million times of ALP supporters. What has a carbon tax actually done to curb climate change?

        Nothing?

        Didn't think so.

        Commenter
        zzREXzz
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:13AM
      • In fact there was a substantial drop in carbon production in Australia following the introduction of the carbon price.

        This point has been made a number of times in the media. You obviously were not listening.

        Commenter
        Whyalla Wipeout
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:26AM
      • @zzrexzz, Australia' carbon emissions have been reduced. Which is precisely what the tax was suppose to do. Now maybe you could explain who pays for the LNP direct action policy and more importantly why have alll the experts said that this is not only the most expensive way but will not allow Australia to reach its agreed target. Do yourself a favour and stick your head back in the sand. There'sa lot of LNP supporters in there.

        Commenter
        invamore
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:47AM
      • Yes, reduced locally through higher pricing at the consumer end. However, globally we have actually done the complete opposite through our exporting into nations where coal power stations are on the rise....

        Commenter
        Commando - Involved again
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:42PM
      • Firstly answer a question that has been asked a million times of ALP supporters. What has a carbon tax actually done to curb climate change?

        Nothing?

        Didn't think so.

        Commenter
        zzREXzz
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:13AM
      • In fact there was a substantial drop in carbon production in Australia following the introduction of the carbon price.

        This point has been made a number of times in the media. You obviously were not listening.

        Commenter
        Whyalla Wipeout
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:26AM
      • @zzrexzz, Australia' carbon emissions have been reduced. Which is precisely what the tax was suppose to do. Now maybe you could explain who pays for the LNP direct action policy and more importantly why have alll the experts said that this is not only the most expensive way but will not allow Australia to reach its agreed target. Do yourself a favour and stick your head back in the sand. There'sa lot of LNP supporters in there.

        Commenter
        invamore
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:47AM
      • Yes, reduced locally through higher pricing at the consumer end. However, globally we have actually done the complete opposite through our exporting into nations where coal power stations are on the rise....

        Commenter
        Commando - Involved again
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:42PM
    • Those two MPs are the men standing by their principles. It is a great pity they are going to leave politics; we DO need people like them.

      Commenter
      AT
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:45AM
    • Looks like the both have seen the writing on the wall and couldn't face the electorate and would more than likely be gone.

      Commenter
      Rod.. Outer east
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:44AM
    • By supporting Gillard Labor, perhaps both Windsor and Oakeshott have actually assisted the objectives of the Coalition, being long term government.

      Because of Labor's incompetence with policy, governance and internal management, they've been exposed as political failures, simply not up to the job of leading Australia, let alone a bunch of cub scouts.

      As is often said - oppositions don't win election, incumbents lose them. The taste that Labor will leave will make it very difficult for them to be elected back in years to come.

      Should an incoming Abbott government prove capable and competent, then the Coalition may be in power for several years.

      These two independents might be owed some thanks by the Coalition in the long term. How ironic.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:43AM
    • The Rats are jumping off the ship.....next Gillard, then Labor!!! Cannot wait. Its about time! These fools have sent Australia back 20yrs. It will take about this time to pay back the debt they have left us.

      Commenter
      Libby H
      Location
      Vic
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:41AM
    • Funny how the independents are deserting the sinking ship, knowing full well that the electorate will wipe them at the next election for siding with the Gillard government.

      Commenter
      Peter
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:40AM
      • Actually, the polls showed that Tony was likely to be re-elected.

        Commenter
        JoLoGo
        Location
        New England
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:55AM
      • you believe the polls do you then it is not a good look in sept

        Commenter
        comom
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:20AM
      • yep according a poll taken by a union of union members not the public in general. Just spin nothing but spin that's why he is jumping ship because he gets abused by his hard work mostly anti labor constituents who got him elected in the first place. glad to see him retire.

        Commenter
        happy days ahead
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:26AM
    • Well, Well,Well---No suprises here , but remember folks before you all start dancing in the streets late on 14 Sept, with Mr ER-ER-ER as the new Prime Minister of AUSTRALIA-"I TOLD YOU SO'---Dear, Dear ME, what a mess we will be in then .

      Commenter
      Happy Lad
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:40AM
    • I live in Tony Windsor's electorate. I have taught his 2 sons.

      To everyone out there making comments, consider this... Tony Windsor has always put his electorate first and he takes his responsibilities well. I disagreed with his decision to Support Julia but I trust him to make his judgement call because I voted for him to do so, not to apply my standards or desires.

      Tony is a honourable man notwithstanding all the vitriol out there. Did he like the Nationals - probably not, but which of us is perfect.

      I will now have to reconsider my vote!

      Commenter
      James
      Location
      Kootingal
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:40AM
    • Windsor for gg next time round.

      Commenter
      KEW
      Location
      Enmore
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:38AM
      • Tongue firmly grafted to cheek?

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:30AM
    • They both knew they would be punished by their electorates. However, I would have preferred Windsor to Joyce.

      Commenter
      In Amber Clad
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:37AM
    • 2 independents that brought mass disaster for the majority of Australians, a bad experiment that we will all be paying for many years into the future...

      People are too smart Windsor, they know why you and Oakshot are going... good luck in the real world!

      Commenter
      Ben
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:37AM
      • This isn't a Book Club, so cut the fiction! There's no destruction of any sort, let alone mass destruction. This is just the kind of lie the conservatives have been purporting to the electorate the past three years. Their bitterness is on full display.
        Well done TW and RO!

        Commenter
        meatatarian
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:01AM
    • The only thing left of the 43rd Parliament is wreakage, oil slicks and a few survivors clambering into lifeboats.

      Has anybody seen Captain Gillardi.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:36AM
      • I think she's knitting something urgently for the Governor General

        Commenter
        enough is enough
        Location
        Labor party/Greens La La Land
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:51AM
      • SteveH

        I think she has ceded control to Macca, who appears to be out of the shadows with yesterday's, it was it wasn't me Women's Weekly shoot and demanding ALP members show their hands in Caucus.

        Commenter
        $keptic
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:53AM
      • She might be knitting but behind her back her members are trying to stitch her up.

        Commenter
        Hacka
        Location
        Canberra
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:01AM
    • Labor loses two more MP's

      Commenter
      Greg
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:34AM
    • So what does the future hold? Well, for them- a big juicy pay day that will roll on for years. For Australia- a country that may never recover from their stupidity and selfishness in a thousand years.

      Commenter
      Apollyon
      Location
      Berwick
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:33AM
      • Hyperbole much? It only took 20 to recover from the 1970's, and its not as if this government will have any lasting achievements.

        Commenter
        Simon
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:47AM
    • Sad that arguably the most honest sensible man in federal parliament is calling it a day.
      Windsor was a breath of fresh air with his candid comments and rational stance on legislation.
      We need more like him,

      Commenter
      Circling buzzard
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:32AM
    • Windsor and Oakshott have denied the people of their electorates the chance to cast their judgement on their decision to support Labor.
      They were heading for very large defeats, so instead of being humiliated they are going for family and health reasons.

      Commenter
      Anthony
      Location
      Ryde
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:31AM
    • Thanks Tony and Rob. Admirable men with strong convictions. Protected us from Abbott for three years. All you idiots pumping out cliches about rats and sinking ships will have plenty of cause to regret in a year or two...

      Commenter
      Lancaster bomber
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:30AM
    • All the best to Mr Windsor, but what a pitty the smug Barnaby Joyce will get a free run. And the Lazy Nationals will continue to do little for the country electors

      Commenter
      Walking the by ways
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:28AM
      • Great job Windsor and Oakeshott -- esp. in delivering results for your electorates. The 'water trigger' policy that protects the water table in farming lands from CSG mining is a particularly big win for Windsor.

        Wish Windsor represented my electorate, maybe we'd have the NBN before Tony rolls out his copper solution.

        Commenter
        GuybrushThreepwood
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:50AM
    • Step one: get voted in.
      Step two: betray your electorate.
      Step three: don't run at next election.

      This is the cowards way out. They knew they would get annihalated at the next ballot for their betrayal. They should not utter another word and just keep their heads bowed in shame.

      Commenter
      Bulldust
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:28AM
    • All these derogatory comments about Oakshot and Windsor make me wonder why the Nationals did not stand against them last election. Oh, they did. Now Iam really confused.

      Commenter
      confused
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:27AM
    • I for one - and judging by the comments here I may well be the only one - think the independents have done a great job in getting a number of good progressive policy measures through in this parliament. Well done to Windsor and Oakshott - and given how toxic and partisan the political culture in this country is becoming its no wonder they are done with being MPs. I wish we could have minority governments forever! It's the only way to break from this dreary hamfisted duopoly of the non liberal Liberal party and the non working class Labor party. Neither of which have shown any real independant thinking or willingness (without on their own terms) to follow through on any bold or even neccessary measures for the long term future of the country. But alas the pendulum swings back again and Aboott gets his portrait on the wall YAWN

      Commenter
      fleetfox
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:27AM
      • Stunned by the audacity of a statement that clearly laks any basis in evidence. These two cowards are quitting before they are thrown out, by an electorate disgusted with their lack of conviction and clear focus on self fullfillment.

        Could you please clarify what exactly these two noddies have achieved, other than supporting an incompetent and ineffectual government. I will check back in a month or so to see if you thought of anything.

        Commenter
        Mike
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:44AM
      • Here Here. Well said!

        Commenter
        B'nicer
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:46AM
      • Agree with your comments.
        The negativity about Windsor and Oakshott is only there because they listened to both Gillard and Abbott and decided Gillard would garner their support.
        Gillard has shown to be a strong woman but weak leader who is unable to gain the support of Australians. Abbott provided a glimpse of his need for power when he confided to Windsor that he would "sell anything but his arse " for Windsor's support....and he hasn't disputed that accusation just quietly.
        So, we have one weak leader and a prospective PM whose primary motivation is power ahead of the common good.....AND he'll get in with a landslide...interesting times indeed.

        Commenter
        JIM
        Location
        Bayside
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:50AM
      • Most people vote for which party they think will be best for the country, not for which will provide the most entertaining circus. Boring I know, but to some people running a country seems important.

        Commenter
        Sammy B
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:52AM
      • +1

        Commenter
        yogi
        Location
        melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:53AM
      • You're not alone. The parliament is losing two honourable , honest and competent members. They will be missed by all except the moronic LNP trolls who have displayed their true unpleasant natures in the vitriolic comments below. They also forced the ALP to enact some very necessary yet unpopular measures in the best interests of the country.
        They'll both be missed.

        Commenter
        jme
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:54AM
      • Independents are flies in the ointment.
        Our Parliament works best when we have a Government with a workable majority and a strong Opposition.
        With independents holding the balance of power we have government by a minority and not by the majority.
        e.g. Queensland circa 1960 to 1984: Country Party large majority with divided (new school/old school) Labor Party Opposition..just look what happened.
        Federal parliament: 1983 to 1993: Hawkie with a workable majority and a strong opposition...many progressive reforms.

        Commenter
        Bruce Baldey
        Location
        Deep South
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:56AM
      • WHAT A PLOY, Is this temporary to win back electorate trust of their so called independence? as they tried to tell us they were ahead in their poly desert.

        Commenter
        brian
        Location
        glenroy
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:02AM
      • Rob Oakshott and Tony Windsor should both be commended for their efforts they put into finally getting a great deal for their electorates, electorates pretty much ignored for many years by the Nationals. History will be kinder to them than all the vitriol that they and their families have had to endure because of their role in the Labor Coalition Government. Their support for the NBN, which will help keep people in rural areas and be a boon to small country towns, was a major reason they supported the Gillard Government and I think a very worthy one. It is amazing that the Nationals, who are supposed to support rural Australia have been so opposed to such an important scheme as the NBN.

        Commenter
        Joe Blogs
        Location
        Gold Coast
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:03AM
      • Agree with most of your comments. We need more people like these guys in the Parliament. A lot of people don't realise it but these guys helped keep a lot of people employed and businesses open during the GFC.

        What will happen if we get a Coalition with it's promised cuts to everything is that many, many people that want to see a change of Government now will most likely be unemployed or loose their businesses by this time in 2 years.

        I'm speaking from experience so people should take a very good look at the policies before they vote.

        Commenter
        Rod
        Location
        the Coast
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:03AM
      • fleetfox, spot on. They have performed an excellent job in a most difficult climate. They had to face the red neck element esp the mindless 'shockjocks who cannot understand that some people actually work for the good of the country. They have made hard and at times unpopular decisions for the betterment of this country. It is only the blinded and rabid who would disapprove of their actions. All the best to both of them and I hope T Windsor's illness is not serious

        Commenter
        narrogolf
        Location
        dubbo
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:07AM
      • I'm with mike on this one, name a policy that has been good for Australians, that hasn't backfired or been a complete waste of money.

        People saying these two were good for government? They seriously are in need of a reality check.

        Commenter
        zzREXzz
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:16AM
    • Sounds like the Titanic.. Iceberg Ahoy

      Commenter
      Occyman
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:26AM
    • Who gives a damn what Windsor & Oakshott (am i still on camera) think. They say they acted for the people, but the PEOPLE didn't want Labor and the that pack of circus entertainers they call ministers there in the first place!

      I'll pay the taxi ride to the airport for them!

      Commenter
      Guido
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:26AM
      • If the people really wanted the Coalition they would have voted for them in in a MAJORITY, but it didn't happen.
        Abbott couldn't convince the independents yet alone the whole nation he was the best person for the job, and has been crying about it ever since.

        Commenter
        Mathew
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:31AM
      • I'll split the bill with you! Thank goodness these 2 cowards have decided to knick off: both for their electorates and the country.

        Please don't come back.

        Commenter
        DB
        Location
        TAS
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:32AM
      • HALF the people didn't want Labor. The other half did. Neither the Libs or Nats have that half... they have to team up to get even that far.

        I don't share all of Windsor's politics, but each time I have heard him speak, I have felt the inspiration I have always wanted from our leaders... and have not in nearly two decades.

        We could use more such people, whatever their political colours.

        Commenter
        LJC
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:47AM
      • Just to clarify LJC, it was not HALF of the voting public wanted Labor. Only 13.5% in Lyne and even less than that in New England. I agree that these two did get the lion share of the votes, but strikingly the National vote was almost THREE times that of Labor. Is that the way we pick the winner these days, go to the person with the lowest vote.

        Commenter
        Guido
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:34AM
    • Waffle waffle waffle... just shut up and go will you please...now!

      Commenter
      Apollyon
      Location
      Berwick
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:26AM
    • Tony and Rob are both honourable men who assisted ably negotiating and passing so much worthwhile legislation in face of the utter rabble in the Opposition benches.

      We had a chance for an actual democracy to work, rather than one dictated to by one of the two tribes. But an ugly Opposition and feral and miserable elements of society cannot tolerate actual democracy.

      Thanks Tony and Rob for reminding us of what we should be aspiring towards.

      Commenter
      Lumenier
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:25AM
      • You have a strange definition of democracy!! 3 people making decisions for 26 million people is not democracy, I can guarantee that.

        Commenter
        Noel
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:34AM
      • Please explain your version of democracy when the two independents have totally and utterly disregarded the wishes of their their constituents? They are meant to go to Canberra to be a voice for their electorate not do what they think is best!!!

        Commenter
        You're joking
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:39AM
      • Agreed. They can hold their heads high for what they have achieved. The LNP on the other hand will surely receive a good dose of karma for their disgusting politics..

        Commenter
        JJ
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:40AM
      • My version of democracy, backed by the Australian Constitution, is that the majority of elected members of Parliament pass laws. Whichever way these two members of Parliament voted, it only mattered if those votes were part of the majority of ALL the MPs.

        The other part of my version of democracy is that the ignorant and ill-informed can still make stupid comments and see them in print.

        Commenter
        Whyalla Wipeout
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:47AM
      • So you believe being ripped of by a climate change policy that increases coal production at the cost of billions is good Labor policy do you?

        Perhaps you also believe it good policy to short change the disabled by not providing them with all of the funding from the Medicare levy we were promised would never be imposed?

        I do hope you can find a university place for your kids now university funding has been cut to the bone care of Gonski supporting wealthy private schools?

        Be careful walking the dog down the street with all of that asbestos circulating around?

        No doubt you are falling for all that waterproofing in phone pits too?

        Can yo see a train on the Epping line yet?

        Enjoying the longest election campaign that Gillard claimed 'I will not start the longest election campaign?'

        Don't tell me you are the consensus of Gillard's: 'I will not allow a carbon price without consensus?'

        Damn what happened to: 'There will be a budget surplus by 2013?'

        And: 'The Mining Tax will reduce company tax?'

        You will try to enjoy repaying your share of the $270 billion debt while sing praises wont you?

        Commenter
        Pen of hrba
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:48AM
      • Noel, the other pollies on both sides could cross the floor on any issue if they really wanted to. They have exactly the same power as the independents. Unfortunately, they just don't have the guts to stick their necks out and use it. Each one of them has a vote.

        Commenter
        Sydney Sam
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:50AM
      • The only good thing to come out of all this mess and hurt inflicted by the Opposition and the yabbering vile elements of our society is that soon they will experience the very government that they have longed for. An Abbott led government of the vicious and incompetent.

        Be so very careful of what you have wished for , because the likes of what is coming will have no respect for the so many that blindly vote for them.

        Commenter
        Lumenier
        Location
        sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:07AM
      • Pen not to sure where you are getting your info from - been reading to much Libs propangda. Last year a record in renewable energy production which clearly means less burning of coal. It actually doesn't cost the government anything as it is funded by the carbon tax.

        Short changing the disabled - not sure where your getting your info from there either - but surely actually funding disability care is better then not funding it.

        University for the kids - again it seems that the coalition has no problem with that either as they supported it. Labor actually has a education policy unlike the Libs.

        Abestos circulating around - with TA in I suppose it wont matter because he tends to think that its not a disease anyway.

        No tram on the epping line but I do see a Regional rail link being funded by the federal government.

        Surplus - don't see the LNP with a plan to give us a budget surplus. Clearly dont have any plan unlike the Labor .

        Mining tax - its a profit tax - so if they don't make the big profits they don't pay the tax - its the way its was meant ot work.

        I would rather a debt (just like the one I have on my house) and have a bright future then no futre at all. Strange Hockey said he would of done the same thing just the other day to.

        Commenter
        Graham
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:18AM
      • Graham

        Capacity factor (CF) dictates one KW (1000 watt turbine running at 50% capacity for two hours provides one kilowatt hour (1 KWh) of power. CF measures how often an electric generator runs for a specific period of time, usually measured over one year.

        Typical wind farm efficiency: Hallett 4, total capacity 132.3 MW (MW = one million watts, or 1000 KW), cost A$334 million. CF denial: 132.3 x 24 hours x 365 days = 1158948 MWh (megawatt hours) at 100% capacity. Reality of CF: average CF for Hallett 32.5 % of full capacity = 376658 MWh (376.658 million KWh) annually, not the 100% capacity boasted by Labor?

        Sold domestically for 28 cents per KWh 376.658 million KWh = $1.054 billion per annum as opposed to $527000 per annum at previous 2005 rate of 14 cents per KWh. By driving up tariffs from 14 to 28 cents Labor policy made the most inefficient green energy (wind/voltaic solar) exceedingly profitable, why, coal?

        For Australia’s climate concentrated solar power (CSP) with salt storage is manifold more efficient than wind power, operating at base load quantities 24/7/365 days a year, capable of relegating coal as the primary power source to reserve source (see CSP in Spain and Arizona). Conversely inefficient green power delivers negative climate change by inability to keep pace with power demand of population growth, triggering annual coal production increases from 220-500 million tonnes?

        Increased coal production through wind and voltaic solar inefficiencies is detrimental to climate change and taxpayer wishes. Irrespective while continuing with coal expansion and ignoring CSP hence, Gillard taxes carbon, increases emissions, for no positive climate change, and allowed doubling of tariffs.

        Gillard: “An avalanche of science,” to cut 159 million tonnes of emissions by 2020, allowing a “clean energy future?”

        Commenter
        Pen of hrba
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:30PM
    • Yes , I thought this would happen. All of a sudden a health problem , more like not wanting to face the wrath of his electorate who he betrayed . Who will miss this pontificating Fraser like person , no one I know will.

      Commenter
      nkosi mzungu
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:24AM
      • How pathetic that you would question the man's health concerns. Oh BTW, the polls show that he would actually hold his seat at the coming election....

        Commenter
        Marcus
        Location
        west coast
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:37AM
    • Some of the vitriolic commenters on this forum simply don't know decency and class when it staring them in the face. Did you not read what Tony Windsor said about the vitriol taking a toll on him and his family. Show some decency you cretins and give credit where it is due. I say well done to both these men for ensuring a hung parliament continued to serve the people.

      Commenter
      marcus
      Location
      west coast
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:24AM
      • What about the toll on 23 million Australians for supporting the most incompetent government in our history???

        Commenter
        You're joking
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:42AM
      • They have done nothing apart from supporting this shameful government and created many chaotic policies, that put our nation in a disadvantage position. Many have been businesses shut down, or move over sea. these are just a few reasons....many more. So the fast they get out the better for our country.

        Commenter
        Harry
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:43AM
      • Its funny how people always lament the state of Australian politics and ask why. All you need to do is read the majority of comments above. You people are pathetic. Leave the bloke alone.

        Commenter
        Dave
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:44AM
      • The level of vitriol is revolting. He was my local member and he was a fantastic local member.

        Commenter
        JoLoGo
        Location
        New England
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:02AM
      • @you're joking - yes, what a terrible toll on 23 million Australians, all struggling under record low interest rates, low unemployment and an economy that is the envy of the OECD. I've just come back from Cambodia where millions live in genuine poverty. You need to gain some PERSPECTIVE. We are an incredibly lucky country with (for all its faults) a healthy democracy that even allows the politically illiterate to contribute to forums such as this. Best of luck Tony and Rob. You have served your electorates and your country well.

        Commenter
        marcus
        Location
        west coast
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:15AM
    • just waiting for the third musketeer to bail out and then my happiness will be complete!pity they hadnt gone lomg ago then gillard might have looked a lot stronger.

      Commenter
      irish
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:24AM
    • Windsor continues to support Gillard as the best option even as the whole country can see this as ridiculous. Windsor, you got it horribly wrong, your conduct over the past three years has been woeful. It is time to apologise and move on.

      Commenter
      James Shaw
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:23AM
    • It really is time for Julia Gillard to do the honourable thing and step down from the leadership.
      Back in 2010 Gillard was reported as having used poor polling figures as a reason to snatch the leadership from Kevin Rudd.
      However, the tables have turned and the polls are now heavily against her and she has never been able to achieve Rudds level of popularity with voters. 

      She has had 3 years to establish her position as PM, but under her leadership the Governments support has plummeted and they are headed for electoral annihilation.
      She should put her own personal ambition aside and do the right thing for the future benefit of the Government and many of her colleagues who will lose their seats if she stays.
      However, she has now refused to do the honourable thing so it is now up to the Labor caucus to hold a leadership ballot this week to settle the leadership once and for all.
      Kevin Rudd should stand as a candidate and allow his supporters in the caucus and the electorate the opportunity to vote for an alternative leader.
      Wayne Swan is also unable to communicate with the public effectively anymore, and should be replaced by Chris Bowen as Treasurer and Simon Crean as Deputy PM would help to maintain stability as the election draws closer.

      The main issue for the Government now should be EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION WITH THE ELECTORATE.

      Kevin Rudd is a much better communicator and campaigner and should be given the chance to lead the Government into the upcoming election.
      The Labor party is in government today because of his brilliant election campaign back in 2007 and government MPs are there today because of his leadership.
      Rudd still has the drive to run a strong and positive campaign.

      Commenter
      Get Real
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:23AM
      • Get Real, Rudd can't string 6 words together and make sense. His speech is nonsensical at the best of times. He has simply mastered the art of talking garbage, and managing to sound like he is saying something intelligent. He has let down so many people and has shown himself not to have what it takes to be PM. Regardless of whether you support Gillard or not, Rudd is not a good alternative.

        Commenter
        Kerry
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:16PM
    • To those who say Windsor is a 'coward' and getting out before he's thrown out - the most recent poll in New England (May 2013) showed him leading Barnaby Joyce!

      Commenter
      HAL 9000
      Location
      Jupiter Mission
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:23AM
    • Gutless, the pair of them. Their electorates are now denied the opportunity to turf them out in September.

      Commenter
      Davo1965
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:22AM
    • I must amend my last post, as I have just read that Windsor is also going. How convenient.

      Commenter
      aceme
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:22AM
    • Not at all surprised that Windsor won't stand. He totally betrayed his electorate and wouldn't get many votes if he stood again.
      Good riddance to these two. Their egos wouldn't stand being voted out so they jumped.

      Commenter
      Mary T
      Location
      Country NSW
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:22AM
      • You're not from New England obviously. Recent polls had him ahead of B Joyce.

        Commenter
        jme
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:47AM
    • Dear Mr Windsor
      Thank you for being the amongst the best politicians NSW and Australia has seen in recent years. My family and I will miss your intelligence, wisdom, compassion, humour and far-sightedness. As a constituent of the New England electorate, I have been proud to have you represent me in parliament. You are a man of substance and integrity and we will miss you a great deal.

      We wish you the very best for the future, and if you ever want to come back, there are two votes here with your name on them.

      Commenter
      S & K
      Location
      New England electorate
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:22AM
    • The pettiness and lack of grace demonstrated in the vitriolic comments here today and over the last few days as MPs deliver their valedictory addresses does indeed make you wonder why someone would put their hand up.

      My thanks for your service to all the retiring MPs.

      'It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena'

      Commenter
      wonk_arama
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:22AM
    • Windsor has been all class through this difficult hung parliament. He is a man of integrity that actually seems to have the countries best interest at heart. He is not interested in the cheap political rhetoric that the major parties spew. He has looked at each piece of legislation before him and judged it on its merit. He comes across very analytical, level-headed and fair. It's an absolute disgrace the way that the shock jocks have attempted to smear him. One of the only decent parliamentarians we have. It will be sad to see him go. All they best Tony, you can hold your head high.

      Commenter
      Sydney Sam
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:22AM
      • everything you call as reasonable in Windsor delivered for Windsor and his cargo cult townies or else it wouldn't have been there, the only exception to the rule with Windsor were cases involving his many personal hatreds. Windsor fed socialist townieism in the same way that Black Jack McKeown fed socialist agrarianism. If there was a wealth transfer or boondoggle to be had Tony Windsor was on it.

        Commenter
        archivista
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:49AM
    • Tony Windsor says that the PM has never welched on any deals made with him...No Tony, just the deals she made with Australia...you know. carbon tax, surpluses, refugee policies. I bet Mr Wilkie has a different view of the veracity of Ms Gillard's promises...but you turned your back on him as well didn't you Tony.

      Commenter
      thereisnoyouinlabor
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:20AM
    • Lots of people here are attacking Windsor and Oakshott. The only chance independents get to be heard and really achieve anything is during minority government.
      The should be celebrated for doing this.
      Most if not all of the people attacking them are simply complaining about and can't get over they chose Gillard and Labor.
      Nothing more then petty politics.

      Commenter
      Mathew
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:20AM
    • Mr. Windsor , a man with intergrity and wisdom. Thank You for making and made a wise choice. God Bless.

      Commenter
      Old Mary
      Location
      Westie
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:18AM
    • With Windsor and Oakshot gone, that's two more seats the ALP has to win somewhere to retain government. Any odds on that Mr Waterhouse?

      Commenter
      dave 51
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:17AM
    • Tony Windsor is a politician of rare honesty and principle, we shall not see the likes of him again I fear.

      Commenter
      Royd Fissure
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:17AM
    • Would the last person leaving the parliament please turn off the lights!

      Commenter
      CC Sydney
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:17AM
    • Oakshot and Windsor you both stood their like the cat that got the milk on your big day. Now neither of you have the integrity to stand and take your fate. I'm ashamed of both of you. You have shown that you were only ever self serving.

      Commenter
      Petal
      Location
      Sylvania
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:17AM
    • Oakeshott & Windsor both betrayed their electorates by supporting Gillard, and they have both seen the writing on the wall.

      They are no loss to public life.

      Gillard has betrayed all Australians by pursuing an ideological leftist campaign for which she has no mandate. Gillard, however, must not be permitted to resign. She must face the electorate again to be held accountable for her irresponsible government, mischief and union pandering.

      Commenter
      Tenez LeDroit
      Location
      Nelly Bay
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:16AM
    • Gillard is going to need a ticket machine at her door with all the MPs diserting this sinking ship. What a schmozzle this government is.

      Commenter
      enigma
      Location
      Qld
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:15AM
    • If two independents have in part, submitted their resignation by not standing at the Election on September 14, 2013 do we not have a hung parliament now, and give rise to either an Election in four weeks and get on with rebuilding our domestic and international credibility or have the GG stand up and be a leader and put in place a caretaker Government now? As gough so rightly put "God save the queen" with the new claim, "for nothing will save the Labour Party"

      Commenter
      bosglob
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:15AM
    • In his first public address in Canberra Oakeshotte paraphrased said he was in it "for his family" and would be guided by that. Pity he doesn't face his electors who would be the judge of how that matched his promise to them. Windsor has done even more harm to the Australian body politic. We all now know just how poisonous the Armidale "cargo cult" statelet has been as they chiselled out privileges from the rest of the constituency.

      Commenter
      archivista
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:15AM
    • Mr Windsor will go down in history. He saved us all from climate change.

      This is even more an impressive achievement than emperor Caligula, who only conquered the ocean.

      Commenter
      Linda
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:14AM
    • What a miserable lot of replies for Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott. Rural and Regional Australia will have to get used to being ignored again.
      The NBN is the best chance Rural and Regional Australia has to be able to compete with Metropolitan Australia. So much infrastructure flowed such as the Pacific Highway upgrade, BER and the promise of an NDIS and Gonski reforms. A great list of positive achievements, which some still refuse to even acknowledge as being positive. They helped Australia through the GFC, allowed the economy to grow with continued strong fundamentals.
      Those attacking the Independents may well ask why did they abandon the National Party? They were Independent, but have paid a heavy price for backing a minority ALP government. Would they have been attacked if they supported a minority coalition government?
      Barnaby will be preparing his push for Deputy PM. His press conferences when acting PM, will provide much mirth and a good comparison to the current outgoing government.
      Well done to these two fine men, whose record stands in stark contrast to decades of National Party inaction.

      Commenter
      Barry of Nambucca
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:14AM
      • Totall agree Barry, seems the majority of posters have no understanding of what these gentlemen have achieved and the peril that now faces these electorates.

        Commenter
        Mark
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:40AM
    • At the most we won't have him (Windsor and Oakeshott ) behind the Prime Minister, every time their is an announcement of policy, or the journalists racing after them for their opinions. They were the Prime Ministers behind the Prime Minister. Oakeshott realized he was dead in the water, and has run for the exit door.Windsor will simply lose his seat.

      Commenter
      aceme
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:14AM
    • Thankyou to both Rob Oakshot & Tony Windsor for their tireless efforts serving their electorates. These guys are solid and independent. We need half of parliament to be independents to kick the ass of the 2 party debacle and put policy above politics.

      These resignations are a loss to our nation. The fools who don't realise their value are just that.

      Commenter
      Scambuster
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:13AM
    • Thankyou to both Rob Oakshot & Tony Windsor for their tireless efforts serving their electorates. These guys are solid and independent. We need half of parliament to be independents to kick the ass of the 2 party debacle and put policy above politics.

      These resignations are a loss to our nation. The fools who don't realise their value are just that.

      Commenter
      Scambuster
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:13AM
    • What a loss; two fine and caring men leaving Parliament.

      Commenter
      Aljojosa
      Location
      Wollongong
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:13AM
    • With the retirement of these two good men, Oakeshott and Windsor, all I think I can say is 'poor fellow my country'. Here we go, all aboard the glass canoe...

      Commenter
      Rob Banks
      Location
      Stanmore NSW
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:13AM
    • The independent rats abandon the sinking ship

      Commenter
      Michael M
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:12AM
    • The level of vitriol heaped on Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor for daring to do what they thought was right for their electorates is something I have never seen before and exceeds by far what has been said even about Julia Gillard.

      For those who have made utterly vicious comments even today I ask 'how would your family or your spouse cope with such things being said daily about you?'

      For me, the integrity of these two men have been the highlight of the 43rd Parliament, especially Tony Windsor. I congratulate them both for their ethics and their principled stand on matters that will benefit Australia for decades.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:12AM
    • Seriously COME BACK KEV!

      Commenter
      Barney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:11AM
    • I wonder what these Lib stooges would be saying about Oakshott and Windsor if they had sided with Abbott nearly 3 years ago?

      Commenter
      Pete
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:11AM
      • They wouldn't be saying anything. If Windsor and Oakshott had supported Abbott they would not be seen to be deserting a sinking ship, but rather retiring with their dignity in tact.

        Commenter
        Davo1965
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:41AM
    • Julia Gillard should visit the Governor General today and announce an immediate election, the longer she leaves it the worse things will get, there is no good reason now to wait until September, Labor will on haemorrhage between now and then and collapse. Kevin Rudd, it’s a poison chalice Kevin, when the dust settles most of the idiots in Labor will be gone and you can resume as opposition leader and start to re-build, there’s a lot of work to do but you will have plenty of time to do it in.

      Commenter
      Peter G
      Location
      Drummoyne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:11AM
    • These cunning old foxes, said they will back Tony Abbott, if K Rudd become PM again.

      I hope Tony Abbott will rejects their votes. All these time, they have been a going against their electorate's wish. If Tony Abbot accept their votes now, it will taints him at the election. Beside, he doesn't need their votes to make him as PM election in 3 months time. In fact Tony Abbott will look silly instead.

      Commenter
      Harry
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:10AM
    • Its a damn shame the democratic process wasn't allowed to retire these confederates. Obviously they see the writing on the wall but their respective electorates are being denied revenge. Good riddance!

      Commenter
      democrat
      Location
      nsw
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:10AM
    • What a gutless mob. Next it'll be Gillard running away too.

      Commenter
      Jack
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:09AM
    • The Independents are dropping like flies as they all know that they are done & dusted you have all help the Country to ransom but now the Games over you tossers you have all had your 15 minutes of fame & time in the Sun now it's time for your electorates to get real politicians representing them

      Commenter
      MaccaSydney
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:09AM
      • Sining?

        Commenter
        Pete
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:09AM
    • How can Windsor claim his decision to back Gillard was based on anything but personality if he says he would pick Abbott over Rudd, when Rudd has the same policies as Gillard?

      Commenter
      Jonathan C
      Location
      Petersham
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:08AM
    • It is always better to leave than be pushed...good riddance to both of these duds.

      Commenter
      Les
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:08AM
    • Picture 9:46am. You gotta admire the man-love between Windsor and Albo.

      Commenter
      Bobby Socks
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:07AM
    • Pity they both did not do it in 2010
      Great day for Australia, now the repair work can start very soon. (which will take many many years if not decades )
      Hip Hip Horray

      Commenter
      Alan
      Location
      Sydneyh
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:07AM
    • Oakeshott and Windsor bailing like the absolute cowards that they are. They know that they're finished and can't handle their respective electorates dishing out punishment for their role in supporting the worst government we have ever had.

      These smug, self important, attention seeking losers put on a big show following the 2010 election to appear impartial. But they were never going to back Abbott because of their own personal distaste for him and their fear of an early election that could see an end to their perks and other privileges.

      Good riddance, you won't be missed.

      Commenter
      adrian
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:06AM
    • Windsor and Oakeshott have issued a joint statement explaining their retirements, as follows "why would we waste our time campaigning when our electorates are certain to throw us out with glee for this debacle we have brought upon the country." I thought that they would use the old classics, to be with family and unspecified health problem.

      Commenter
      Sammy B
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:06AM
    • He lost his legitimacy as an independent when he sided with the ALP for his own parochial benefit. He lost his legitimacy as a person who can get things done when he failed to act on the ALP's treachery after they backed out of their agreement with him. Stand or not, he will be unemployed after September 14, and he deserves it, as do the other two ALP independents who made it possible for the ALP and Gillard to do so much damage.

      Commenter
      James
      Location
      Bray Park
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:05AM
      • When some retires on health ground, please respect one's decision, please.

        Commenter
        sri
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:32AM
      • You quite fancy politically partisan commentary do you James?

        Commenter
        Mike
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:34AM
      • So by your reckoning he would have legitimacy if he had sided with LNP too. Neither had a majority, hence hung parliament. He negotiated for the best outcome for his electorate, abbott didn't have the goods.

        Commenter
        BridgetW
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:36AM
    • Trudac aka Rosie aka many other I.D's on here,maybe you are all liebral posters today?

      Commenter
      Steeden
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:05AM
    • Of course they are leaving. They are finishing at the top of their game - a messy game at that. If they were to be re-elected they simply won't be calling the shots any more, so why stay?

      They have worked well for their electorate. It's just a shame it's far less beneficial for the country as a whole.

      Australia needs MANY new faces in its politics and thankfully it looks like the system is finally going to provide this. I just wish the electorate & press could get past the leaders and their flaws and instead focus on the policies that are supposed to be delivered.

      Commenter
      HarpOn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:05AM
    • Gee, listen to all the well-wishers, u r low. Windsor and oakeshott did what great politicians do, they looked after their electorate, can the same b said for YOUR LOCAL MEMBER, I doubt it, and Windsor is right, if his electorate tie themselves to Joyce wagon, the greater fool them

      Commenter
      pdaddy1703
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:04AM
      • My local member, Greg Hunt, the would-be Environment Minister, has promised to fix the Gunnamatta (surf beach those who don't know) sewage outflow for as long as I can remember, he campaigns on it every time. I still have to surf down the road so I don't get sick. I hate to think of what happens to those who go fishing there. An utter failure as a local member. He does seem good at getting his head on TV though.

        Commenter
        tasch2
        Location
        Mornington Peninsula
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:37AM
      • If their electorates had wanted a Labor government, they'd have voted Labor, wouldn't they? Instead, their electorates have the lowest Labor votes in the country.

        Somehow, that dismal Labor vote count translates to a Labor government. And not only that, they got to choose who runs the country.

        Commenter
        Rodrigo
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:37AM
      • Imagine if all 180 MPs simply looked after the interests of their electorate and ignored the national interest and fiscal responsibility. This country would be in a mess.

        Commenter
        Anthony
        Location
        Ryde
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:48AM
    • No great surprises here. On the subject of credibility just how many times did Mr Windsor assure us he was going to contest this election? Pretty much every time he was asked right up until this morning. Welcome to the lower house Mr Joyce, watch it Mr Truss.

      Commenter
      New Englander
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:04AM
    • These old foxes, senses the public sentiments against them, so they are making their way out before they get the boot. Shame on them.

      Commenter
      Harry
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:04AM
    • Don't do it Kevin. Leave your party to the fate of its own choosing. You need do nothing other than as you were elected to do, serve the people of your community who voted you into office.

      Commenter
      Joe
      Location
      Geelong
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:03AM
    • sad to see Mr Windsor go...he's been the best of them and a voice of reason

      Commenter
      colin
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:03AM
    • Liberal are gonna rule upper and lower houses. So no more reason for you Right Whingers to whinge anymore, you got your leader, lets see what he is made of!

      Commenter
      Ozzie Battla
      Location
      Greensborough
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:03AM
      • Firstly, and I don't know how many times it has to be said but in Australia we vote for a party and the party votes for thier leader so when you vote it's Labor, Liberal etc not Gillard or Abbott. The question is why have the major parties stubbornly stuck with unpopular leaders for so long? I would prefer Turnbull or Rudd. Let's hope that polls turn on Abbott quickly so a leadership change can be made.

        Commenter
        Craig
        Location
        Collingwood
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:51AM
    • Windsor had a chance at the next election? Keep telling yourself that Stephanie, your incorrect belief is irrelevant anyway.

      Commenter
      Chooseyourillusion
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:03AM
      • The polls showed he did. I am a New England voter and I would have been voting for Tony.

        Commenter
        JoLoGo
        Location
        New England
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:11AM
      • Really, you would? Well looking at the poll you have just conducted, as small as it may be, he would have received 100% of the votes. I stand corrected because your opinion is different to mine. Thanks for enlightening me.

        Commenter
        Chooseyourillusion
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:28AM
      • No need to be narky. Was just saying that the polls indicated that he would be returned. And that I, as a voter in the New England electorate, would be voting for him because he has been an excellent local member. You may dislike Tony's politics, you may dislike mine but there is no need to be rude/narky.

        Commenter
        JoLoGo
        Location
        New England
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:39PM
    • To Tony and Rob,
      I may not have agreed with all of your decisions but I do believe you to be two of only a few honourable politicians in parliament today. Good luck for the future, you have done enough for this country. Enjoy your families, friends and life moving forward.

      Commenter
      Mark
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:03AM
    • You Tories really hate it when members of parliament do whats best for their electorate rather than whats best for your paymasters.The vitriol and one eyes fighting of ideologies long past marks you as unthinking fools.

      Commenter
      AndreP
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:03AM
      • you forgot to change .I.D,' s again..how many do you have?

        Commenter
        Steeden
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:03AM
    • Another day of all the gullible people wishing a win to the lib party. A party with no vision for education, health, and the environment, with no solutions for the budget, boat people and infrastructure. The only thing the libs do is to repeat the same old line of when they are in government theycould do better - I for one would one day like to here how, but that would be expecting to much now wouldn't it. I rather a government who has vision and the courage to make Australia a better place then one who has nothing to offer then words like I could do better. .

      Commenter
      Graham
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:03AM
    • I'd like to warmly thank Windsor & Oakeshott on their contributions to Australia, particularly in the last 3 years where they have provided a common sense and rational approach to the madness taking place in Canberra with both of the major parties. Bottom line is that Abbott was not ready to be PM 3 years ago and did not have the maturity. They understood this and took a path which created a very reforming period in politics. I think they can hold their heads high...

      Commenter
      redsunderthehammock
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:02AM
      • Yes red, Windsor & Oakeshott that were true independents & they paid a price for it/ Independent thinking is dangerous. lNP voters never got it that the LNP does not have the divine right to rule. Because their electorates are rural they felt that Windsor should not be independent but follow the LNP party line.... that he had somehow let the electorate down. NO the true independents looks at the issues in an independent framework and does not toe party lines. The NBN , carbon reduction scheme et. al. were looked at outside party frameworks and lNP voters could not cope with that. well done Windsor & Oakeshott may there be more like you.

        Commenter
        Gj
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:32AM
      • Yes,
        keeping their heads high, especially where the water level is rising in the sinking ship and with the damage they have caused for the last 3 years, the rats are abandoning the ship. I wonder if by not contesting, these rats are to keep their retirement. If that's true, then the Coalition should start studying the possibility of a bill to rip all these rats of superannuation and privileges that for example, windsurf and roboshot don't deserve.

        Commenter
        Mark
        Location
        Newman
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:33AM
    • Pork Futures are going into free fall on this news.

      Commenter
      brian
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:02AM
    • sad day - hopefully others step up to the plate as independents and free us from the two party system of voting sheep interested in only their own party and tod what to say and do. Independents are the basis for out system of democracy - free thinking representtives of the local electrorate.

      Commenter
      observer
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:02AM
    • If you think Tony Windsor retiring is a good idea, just say the words "Acting Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce" out loud.

      Commenter
      James
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:02AM
      • I am from the New England electorate and i am horrified by the possibility.

        Commenter
        denny098
        Location
        Tamworth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:27AM
    • I realise that time is running short. I also realise that Julia ignores the fact that time is running short. When one ignores the reality of an oncoming train wreck I feel it incumbent on me to ignore previous promises made by me that I would stand while opposed for the leadership of the Labor Party. It is obvious that the Labor Party desperately needs my services as the first ever reinstated P.M. of Australia. Therefore I intend to challenge as I feel to do otherwise is not in the best interest of the Party and my supporters.

      There you go, Kevin challenge statement all made out for you. All you need to do now is to go to the chapel and pray that it will work, as I understand you are into that kind of fantasy ritual also.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:02AM
    • To Tony and Rob,
      I may not have agreed with all of your decisions but I do believe you to be two of only a few honourable politicians in parliament today. Good luck for the future, you have done enough for this country. Enjoy your families, friends and life moving forward.

      Commenter
      Mark
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:01AM
      • Couldn't have said it better myself.
        Congratulations and enjoy your well deserved retirement but don't make it too long because I sincerely hope you continue to be part of the nation building effort sometimes in the near future.

        Commenter
        mais51
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:11AM
      • If they are so 'honorable' as you say, why not have the backbone to sand by their decisions right or wrong and be judged by their constituents who put them there ? GUTLESS.

        Commenter
        greggroovey
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:12AM
      • @Mark........well said. Windsor was a shining light in a pit of darkness.

        Commenter
        Bazza
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:21AM
      • I agree. Despite the abuse directed at both Windsor and Lake short online - and they must receive much worse directly - they have been excellent independent members. This election will be about the electorate chsnging the government emphatically, so it won't be one for independents. Hopefully, quality independents will return at the following election.

        Commenter
        rudy
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:26AM
      • Bahahahahahaha

        Commenter
        JJ
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:26AM
      • It is better for Tony and Rob to quit politics rather than lose their seats and getting a forced retirement. Do not agree that they have been honorable. They along with Andrew Wilkey, Bob Katter and Adam Bandt (from the Greens) have been horsetrading right from the start, when they decided to support our PM's minority government.

        Commenter
        NoBias
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:29AM
      • I can't agree with this. He has contorted every decision every which way with one intention: to punish his former National Party that he is hates. And all of a sudden he has discovered his parental responsibilities -- just like all politicians who find their families when they need an excuse to leave.

        Commenter
        Rod Mac
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:29AM
      • We have already seen a most honourable politician, Peter Andren, succumb to cancer whilst in this job. Mr Windsor has similarly displayed honour and integrity in the face of fierce denigration from shock jocks and other bitter folk. The parliament is all the better for people of the calibre of Windsor, Oakeshott and Andren. Our best wishes go with him and his family.

        Commenter
        pp
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:32AM
      • Honourable? They deliberately didn't tell their electorates that they preferred Labor and ignored the overwhelming preference in their electorates for Coalition government.

        Commenter
        Anthony
        Location
        Ryde
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:34AM
      • +1 Mark. Both good guys that did their best for their electorates and the nation. Sad to see them go.

        Commenter
        Altered
        Location
        Esperance
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:40AM
      • @Anthony - in the unlikely event that an independent candidate was asked to nominate which side to duppot in the e went of a hung parliament, most of them couldn't. It depends on what each side was offering in return for support after the election.

        Commenter
        rudy
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:52AM
    • I must admit I totally enjoyed Rob and Tony sitting in the Parliament. At times they were the only voices of reason. I can certainly understand why they are retiring though, the fringe dwellers have certainly thrown a hell of a lot of dung their way. By gees they did well for their electorate.

      Commenter
      Qlder
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:01AM
      • Given that Windsor and Oakeshott pretty much acted as a rubber stamp for Labor (even more so than exiled Labor MP, Craig Thomson, in some cases) I am not sure how you can reasonably describe them as the 'only voices of reason' in the Parliament. Unless Gillard, Swan and the rest of the Labor rabble are voices of reason too? (Snort, guffaw.)

        Commenter
        AdamC
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:09AM
      • Totally agree. Contrast the reason and intellect of the independents with the ugliness brought to the place by some.
        Trolls stay away.

        Commenter
        empho
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:18AM
      • Agree 100%. As is so often the case the best parliaments happen when independents are keeping the bastards honest. farewell to to Windsor and Oakeshot. You've both done well and gone out on your own terms. Politics will be the poorer for your departure.

        Commenter
        nostradamus
        Location
        boganville
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:18AM
      • I agree I'll miss Oakeshott's off with fairies speeches and door stops. Thanks for the lols mate. However, they essentially acted as ALP politicians and they're jumping ship to avoid the landslide defeats they'd otherwise suffer as a result of siding with an ALP government their constituents clearly didn't want. It's hard to have much time for members who knowingly ignored the wishes of their electorates.

        Commenter
        Hamish
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:33AM
    • Looks like Windsor has seen the writing on the wall too and can't face his electorate whom he betrayed to install a Labor government.

      Both Oakeshott and Windsor are responsible for the mess of the last three years.

      Commenter
      Toby Wilson
      Location
      Croydon
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 10:01AM
      • Polling shows he was was going to retain his seat. His constituents obviously don't feel betrayed.

        Commenter
        tasch2
        Location
        Mornington Peninsula
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:16AM
      • Wonder who paid for the independant polling in their electorates? Must have bee sad news.

        Commenter
        Paul
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:18AM
      • +1.

        Commenter
        Liberator
        Location
        SEQLD
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:18AM
      • Toby, you're absolutely kidding yourself. We need more politicians like Windsor and Oakeshott - men of reason and honour.

        You might not like the fact that they supported the Labor minority government, but don't throw a tantrum. They are not beholden to you or any other individual. They are beholden only to their electorates, for which they've achieved huge amounts during this parliament.

        And at least in Windsor's case, his performance is pretty convincingly endorsed by the polls coming out of New England.

        Tony and Rob, you'll be missed.

        Commenter
        snag
        Location
        melb
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:18AM
      • Toby, you forgot to blame them for the droughts, floods and GFC !

        Shallow thinking if there was any thinking involved in writing your comment.

        Independents will be our salvation.

        Commenter
        Scambuster
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:21AM
      • @Toby........they both did great for their electorates.

        Commenter
        Bazza
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:22AM
      • The polling Oakeshott was talking about this morning was done by the Unions! He also said today he takes no notice of polls! If Oakeshott thought he was going to win his seat he wouldn't be throwing in the towel so soon. 3 times he hasn't been able to make up his mind. Looks like he now accepts Gillard is custard and so is he and Winsor.

        Commenter
        Pam
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:31AM
    • Who cares about what K. Rudd will do or won't do. THE BEST NEWS is that Messrs. Oakeshott and Windsor are GONE!!!!

      Anything else is a bonus.

      Commenter
      cicero
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:59AM
      • Respect.

        Commenter
        Village Green
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:30AM
    • Poor Oakeshott.....doesn't he realise it is impossible to erase his role in Australia's political history.

      Commenter
      Frank
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:58AM
      • Frank, why don't you step up to the plate and run for office ?

        While you may not agree with any or all of his achievements and directions, he did a good job, was dedicated, straight and had the interest if the electorate as he saw it. You disagreeing is democracy. I and many others are proud of what he did. All the best Rob.

        Commenter
        Scambuster
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:17AM
      • Defending Rob? Well clearly you don't comprehand the majority view. My view is the majority view that is why Rob is quitting, he knows his goose is cooked!

        Commenter
        Frank
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:11PM
    • Now the voters of New England can look forward to once again having a member who'll happily sell out their interests to the big end of town.

      Hey, country folks: take a good, hard look at that IPA wishlist and tell us how you think the 'user pays ueber alles' philosophy will benefit you.

      Commenter
      Redsaunas
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:58AM
      • Red I hereby declare you are the chief of the bitter brigade.

        Commenter
        Chooseyourillusion
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:06AM
      • Redsaunas
        You have scared me sufficiently to vote for Labor again!!
        The alternative is so much worse. Tony Abbott is too terrifyingly normal in comparison to the ALP
        Thanks again for your fearful prophecy of what will happen
        I almost made a terrible mistake

        Commenter
        Jack
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:22AM
    • Can Windosr and Oakeshott do anything without holding each others hands?
      They've been about as independent as a 1 day old baby. A Labor baby at that.

      Commenter
      LLK
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:57AM
    • Mr. Windsor my kind of man wish we have more like him in Parliament.Worth listen to.

      Commenter
      Wendyv
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:56AM
      • Here here.

        Commenter
        Scambuster
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:18AM
    • WINDSOR'S TEARS ARE CRINGE WORTHY.

      But then again he has played the role of puppeteer very well

      Commenter
      Alex
      Location
      Finley
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:56AM
      • What absolute ROT Tony as been a sensational representative for New England...at least I live hear and can have a legitimate comment.

        Commenter
        denny098
        Location
        Tamworth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:30AM
    • Liberal party stooges on here can knock him all they like, but the fact is Tony Windsor is a man of great intelligence, poise and dignity, and will be sorely missed in this spiteful Parliament. Goodluck Tony.

      Commenter
      Piesnchess
      Location
      Mt Evelyn
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:55AM
      • Indeed

        Commenter
        Simon
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:05AM
      • I couldn't agree more. Windsor has been a fantastic politician. Buckle up, with the Libs set to inject scores of 'L' plate half-witted party hacks into the federal parliament, it's going to get ugly. Very ugly.

        Commenter
        Mr Misery Guts
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:06AM
      • Mustn't be talking about political intelligence, unless he planned not to contest the next election when he betrayed the people he was supposed to represent, and used these last 3 years as a good little retirement package. If so, touche Windsor.

        Commenter
        Chooseyourillusion
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:08AM
      • If Windsor and Oakeshott were fair dinkum Independents I'd agree. They aren't, they're defacto Labor MP's.

        Commenter
        Ian
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:11AM
      • Strongly agree Piesnchess! I'm a longtime Labor voter, but would nominate Windsor as my my favorite MP in this Parliament. Mr Windsor, thank you for your integrity, intelligence, fair-mindedness, wisdom (in saving us from Abbott for three vital years) and twinkling humor. Very best wishes from the Passionfruit household.

        Commenter
        Passionfruit
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:33AM
      • @ ian
        So by your logic if they'd backed LNP they would've been defacto liberal/nationals.

        Commenter
        BridgetW
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:44AM
    • Why are all politicians becoming tearful and resigning and WHY, oh why, is Keven Rudd still hanging around? No one wants him. No one likes him. No one has forgotten what sort of person he is. Leave Julia where she is as it's no good changing leaders this close to the election. I repeat an earlier comment, "Rack off Rudd!"

      Commenter
      mph
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:55AM
      • He's leaving a job he's done for 20 years. Makes you emotional.

        Commenter
        Simon
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:06AM
    • Hang in there Julia - it will be a full on day for you and your party. You are the best person to lead the Labor Party to victory in September. Good luck - you can do it!

      Commenter
      Melinda-Lee
      Location
      New Zealand
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:55AM
    • Yeah, right.........

      Commenter
      Alan Bond
      Location
      Wollongong
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:55AM
    • Sorry to hear Tony Windsor is going, a great man. it won't be long before the Liberals and the Nationals are fighting over handouts to farmers, CSG and big business putting pressure on the farmers. Tony you're better off out of it . Life is too short.

      Commenter
      Rod
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:55AM
    • Both cowards who are not prepared to face the music. If you are not prepared to contest your seat at an upcoming election you should go to a by-election immediately...

      Commenter
      K1W1974
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:54AM
      • Rudd should join them and state he will not contesting his seat as well at the next election.

        Commenter
        terry
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:06AM
      • How ridiculous. What if you are employed on a contract and another tender comes of for the same job which you don't wish to compete for. Does this mean you should break your contract immediately so the tender process can start early?

        Parliamentarians are elected for a term. Both independents will see out their terms.

        Commenter
        tasch2
        Location
        Mornington Peninsula
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:20AM
      • K1W1

        What a ridiculous statement ! Cowards ?? Maybe you do a 17-20 stretch in office and see how you go. They ate 'retiring'.

        Tony has health concerns, Rob has a large very young family.

        I'd say they are continuing with normal responsible and intelligent decisions. Unlike some who hit 'Post' today.

        Commenter
        Scambuster
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:29AM
    • Of course Windsor and Oakeshott are not leaving because they will lose their seats ooops! almost got hit by a flying pig :)

      Commenter
      Mau
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:54AM
    • PLEASE, STOP TALKING ABOUT KEVIN RUDD! You are unfairly disrupting the democratic process. The man is just a back-bencher.

      Commenter
      annoyed
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:54AM
      • You might want to reflect upon your comment at the end of the day.

        Commenter
        Sammy B
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:25AM
    • I'd feel unwell too if I had poll numbers like Windsor.

      Not a good look for the PM to be calling on someone outside Caucus to fight her battles.

      Commenter
      innerwestchick
      Location
      Newtown
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:54AM
    • That photo of Kev creeping around the corridors looking like a naughty puppy dog. Priceless!

      Commenter
      Peter
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:53AM
    • What a surprise. Oakeshott and Windsor (aka Dumb and Dumber) both Bale out before their retribution is dealt. Gutless. Seems to me that the road is being cleared for Rudd to make a comeback. That way Windsor and Co can say they wont support a no confidence because they're leaving anyway. Grubby politic till the last. Again, surprise surprise.

      Commenter
      Chunkytuna
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:53AM
      • Your comments remind me of the 2007 election, when John Howard was ousted from his seat. Everyone was happy that that the electorate got to tell him first hand what they thought of him. If he had resigned the result would have been the same anyway. Remember that there are more important things in life than just getting up in arms over politics.

        Commenter
        Tom
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:03AM
      • what an obscenely hateful comment.

        Polls say Windsor would get back in, so you're just so wrong on all counts. Not only that, but you represent the hateful LNP stance, that just spits poison for no reason, other than the joy of spitting poison.

        Windsor has been a great contributor. An oasis in a sea of madness.

        Shame on you.

        Commenter
        sarajane
        Location
        melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:05AM
      • Your comments are an example of the nasty gutter politics Rob Oakshott referred to in announcing his retirement - the ugly fringe that has moved to the centre of the debate.

        Unlike Abbott and Rudd who were determined to wreck the 43rd Parliament for their own political purposes, Oakshott and Windsor made a huge effort to make minority government work and they succeeded. The Gillard government's impressive legislative record attests to this. These guys deserve our thanks, not vilification.

        Commenter
        Trish
        Location
        Canberra
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:10AM
      • Shame on you Sarajane and your daily offerings. You and your Labour cronies are about to get what’s coming to them. These two cowards could see that and hence they are bailing out.

        Commenter
        The Real Johno
        Location
        Mulgrave
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:26AM
      • And what might these amazing achievements be that this dynamic duo have supposedly achieved? Apart from turning their backs on their electorates to support unsustainable government that has since descended into farce and has presided over one of the worst governments in history. The list of policy mistakes in my opinion that these two have supported is far too numerous to list here. Doesn't it strike you as a little coincidental that they're both retiring now??

        Commenter
        Chunkytuna
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:34AM
    • So both `rural independents' are running away before the electorate has the opportunity to throw them out? And in his parting Mr. Windsor still wants to cement Ms. Gillard as PM? Who are these people? Grrr ...

      Commenter
      TBear
      Location
      Snazzy Cave (Sydney)
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:53AM
    • Why would anyone want to Captain the Titanic with its bow heading downward and stern in the air. Julia will be like the Captain of the Costa Concordia abandoning Australia for her benefits,and with no accountability for the worst and disgraced minority government. At leastr in Italy they charged the Captain..

      Commenter
      Robamg
      Location
      Gold Coast
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:53AM
      • Do you not think (for just one moment) that if the people get the government they deserve, and if a minority government cannot govern effectively, perhaps Australia isn't big enough (grown up enough) for a minority government?

        Listening to Abbott over the last 3 years, he hasn't exactly been engaging in a grown up conversation with the nation.

        Does that not say more about Australia than 'with no accountability for the worst and disgraced minority government' (what ever that is supposed to mean)'?

        Commenter
        Joe
        Location
        Geelong
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:09AM
    • I see Windsor's thrown the victim card. "Poor me"! Does anyone have any current polling on Lyne and New England?

      Commenter
      brian
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:52AM
      • New England? Yes, and Windor is in front.

        My family live in New Engalnd and I can assure you they're not happy about Barnaby being parachuted in by the Nats. Maybe people should ask the locals whether he's done a good job for his electorate - and there'd be plenty that say 'yes'.

        Commenter
        Richo
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:22AM
    • What a surprise - now Windsor is going as well. Now we have to listen to two more valedictory speeches. Do Windsor and Oakeshott still get their names on all the brass plaques related to the $billions of pork barrel projects in their electorates?

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party/Greens La La Land
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:51AM
    • I invite you to consider.
      A Party.
      Held to ransom.
      By
      The Unions
      The "Independents"
      It's ex PM
      And, by its chief of Spin. The mouth for hire.

      McTernan is reported in this paper, today, to have intimidated the Caucus of the Party which hired him. And gave him the 457. Into sustaining the Gillard experiment

      Knitting Julia's gift to Australian Democracy.

      Commenter
      Louis Cypher
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:50AM
      • How ironic that someone with the nick Lucifer should be pointing fingers at Labor when the LNP are the direct puppets of Mudoch, Reinhart and the IPA. Laughable and silly cheap shot.

        Commenter
        pugwash
        Location
        earth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:09AM
    • Seems like Tony Windsor is interfering again...seems like he has a Julia crush. Not only are Labor ruled by unions they have to toe the Windsor line as well.

      Commenter
      thereisnoyouinLabor
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:49AM
    • Leave today oakshott and windsor!

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:49AM
    • Gosh, the rats are jumping off the sining ship early today!!

      Commenter
      trudac
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:49AM
      • ooopps - try SINKING SHIP instead of sining!!

        Commenter
        Rosie
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:02AM
      • Well said. Gillard will be leaving Australia after all this. The Gillard place in history is beyond sad.

        Commenter
        Frank
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:02AM
    • It's all a bit convenient. Wonder if Windsor and Oakeshott have been "got at" by the Blue Tie Brigade?

      Commenter
      Big Gina
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:48AM
    • Windsor is retiring too, I see. Obviously he has decided it will be too hard a fight to keep his seat. You have to wonder why he threw away a 60%+ primary vote by essentially becoming an honorary Labor MP.

      Commenter
      AdamC
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:48AM
      • Perhaps because he has a conscience and inclination for reform and development rather than sitting on his hands. Incidentally polling also shows that he was still in line to retain his seat, despite the fall in Primary vote.

        Commenter
        tasch2
        Location
        Mornington Peninsula
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:15AM
      • Reform and development? Are you being sarcastic? Anyway, even if Windsor had managed to deceive himself into thinking this government was something other than a reactionary rabble, he didn't have to appoint himself as Gillard's chief attack dog. Seriously, Windsor was often far more sycophantic towards the PM than her own Labor MPs!

        Commenter
        AdamC
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:25AM
      • Because he was able to get a better deal for his electorate and considered Labor a better option all round. Not that they'll understand that when they're completely ignored by the Liberal party in Government and are just used for their proxy vote. Why rural voters choose a party that has no interest in them other than Government supply is beyond me. They'll be getting a man they truly deserve. A dense loudmouth who has no understanding of the basic tenets of economics. Who can forget Joyce's last go at treasury work. That said, it's good to have the odd clown in Parliament. Joyce will make it a brighter place.

        Commenter
        Alan
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:35AM
      • No I am not being sarcastic. Moreover there is nothing in your comment which would lead e to think that they were not the reasons Windsor chose as he did.

        Commenter
        tasch2
        Location
        Mornington Peninsula
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:14PM
    • You go Tony!

      the two things I am really looking forward to on the night of 14 September are:

      1.Gillards concession speech - will she finally concede mistakes or will it be another exercise in blaming others?; and

      2.A beautiful little smug interview from our Kev in which he will point out that he was right all along & if only Gillard & the party had listened they would not be in this mess

      Commenter
      Little Johnny
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:46AM
    • Gosh, the rats are jumping off the sining ship early today!!

      Commenter
      Rosie
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:46AM
      • you forgot to change .I.D,' s again..how many do you have?

        Commenter
        Steeden
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:03AM
      • Sining?

        Commenter
        Pete
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:09AM
      • Hey may have meant sinning. It sunk long ago and sinning certainly sums up Labors governance of our economy.

        Commenter
        Ship
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:33PM
    • Let's hope the soap opera "Parliament" actually delivers some action today. The suspense is killing me. Is Kevin going to man up? Will Windsor make Caucus blink? Can Labor really leave this unresolved? Will Oakeshott make another 25 minute speech that could have been done with a single word? Time to go make some popcorn and settle in with Stephanie and co for the day...

      Commenter
      Art
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:45AM
    • Come on Kev !! You're up for the challenge !! Loving the blue tie !

      Commenter
      for the sake of Australia
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:45AM
    • Something is going on - all the rats are moving in the same direction.

      Today could be the day.

      Commenter
      Bob from Ballarat
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:44AM
    • Windsor always makes these big statements but when it comes down to the crunch he votes with the ALP..

      He has an absolute hatred of Tony Abbott and certainly won't do a thing to make him PM a second sooner.

      Windsor won't run again in September

      Commenter
      Brando
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:44AM
      • Is that "I'll sell my mother to be PM" Abbott?

        Commenter
        Joe
        Location
        Geelong
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:12AM
      • Easiest prediction I'm made in decades

        Commenter
        Brando
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:36AM
    • If Rudd takes back the leadership now, Labour will still lose the election and it will be blamed on him. Why would he bother?

      Commenter
      WillD
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:43AM
      • It's Labor, not Labour! For God's sake, it's not that hard. Why do people who purport to have an interest and any semblance of knowledge about Australian politics, fail to get this right so often?

        Commenter
        Herself
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:13AM
      • Snippy today, @herself.

        Commenter
        thereisnoyouinlabor
        Location
        brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:22AM
      • Auto correct spelling. It spells Labor -Labour. If you click enter too quickly without checking that's what you'll get Labour. American spelling.

        Commenter
        Kelly
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:44AM
      • Sorry to inform you Kelly but the english is "labour". The Americanisation is "labor"

        Commenter
        the_donge
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:33AM
      • If he saves seats from falling, that will be seen as success. If the polling translates to saved seats, then he will save seats.

        As things stand, Labor will get a walloping almost out of existence.

        Rudd can save seats at worst and at best actually win the election.

        Commenter
        Bondy
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:56PM
    • We need more people like Rob Oakeshott. who go into bat for their community.

      It;s about time some of the National party members started thinking for the people they represent.

      Where do they stand on CSG and the prices the farmers are getting for their products from the big supermarkets?

      Commenter
      Rod
      Location
      the Coast
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:42AM
      • You are right.Most people vote for Nationals because in the country despite a hideous record in representing them.

        Commenter
        Farmer
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:12AM
    • Oakeshott is scampering from a sinking ship like a rat. He would have been clearly beaten had he contested his seat again. Im sad i dont get to see that happen.

      Commenter
      Andrew Jesse
      Location
      Indonesia
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:42AM
    • Oakeshott was on Lateline last night and pretty much flagged his retirement. He seems like a nice guy, if rather hopelessly out of his depth. However, anyone who measures the success of a Parliament by how much legislation it inflicts on society probably should not be a politician.

      Commenter
      AdamC
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:42AM
    • Hmm seems there's a report of another sighting of rats deserting the sinking ALP ship - such fellowship, such steadfastness - Solidarity Brothers!!

      PS Did it take another 17 minutes waste of all our lives to hear the resignation announcement.

      Commenter
      Smack
      Location
      City of the Fallen
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:41AM
    • It will be even more satisfying to see Oakeshott and Windsor out of power than it will be to see the Government that they held together despite the wishes of half the Government itself.

      Commenter
      siegie
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:37AM
    • Oakeshott will long be remembered as the man whose poor decision, against the overwhelming wishes of his electorate, forced 23 million Australians to endure the Worst Government in Australian History.

      Worse, he had three years of a dysfunctional parliament to realise his mistake and atone, but for base personal interest of maintaining his grip on power, he chose to maintain the torture for the full three years.

      Commenter
      Gatsby
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:37AM
      • +1 - He should be ashamed of himself

        Commenter
        Mikka
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:53AM
      • +1 Good riddance to the pair of them. They have to resign because they know they are finished anyway.

        Commenter
        GBS
        Location
        Fitzgibbon
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:10AM
      • He said on the day he chose labor that he did it becasue of the NBN. The NBN has since rolled out to parts of his electorate and areas of country australia. He made the right choice and without him we wouldnt have an NBN of any description! Rob is the best person in that parliament. Haters should be ashamed of themselves.

        Commenter
        Fred
        Location
        Taree
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:11AM
      • Totally disagree!! Windsor and Oakshott have been effective and honourable members who made their decision as INDEPENDENTS in good faith. Sad to see them go...

        Commenter
        Straight Talker
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:16AM
      • What a nonsense. They saved us from the debacle an Abbott government would have been given the financial issues facing the world. They did the right thing by their electorates and the wider community even if you continue to believe the misinformation coming from the coalition. Rupert, Alan, Ray, Janet, Andrew et.al. tell you.

        Commenter
        eyeroll
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:59PM
    • Mr.Rudd time to take a bow and say adios.
      With intergrity.

      Commenter
      Wendyv
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:37AM
    • Pity Oakeshott can't go TODAY

      Commenter
      Cathy Little
      Location
      Prahran
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:35AM
      • Oakshott spins that it was the fear of being re-elected that caused him to quit, rather than a fear that he would not. Know we know why he was such a neat fit within the ALP under the psuedonym of independent.

        Commenter
        Fruitcakes and Watermelons
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:46AM
      • They didn't have to declare their retirements. We already knew. It was always about them. Shame Oakshot and Windsor.

        Commenter
        JohnBB
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:52AM
      • Totally agree! and to take turncoat windsor with him. Not surprised both of them leaving politics, both cowards knowing the hiding that would be in store for both of em. Most despised people in my lifetime

        Commenter
        krystyna
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:52AM
      • Yes, it's a shame he's going to continue fighting the people of his electorate and the betterment of Australia.
        He should have really taken the Abbott approach and spent the laws few years whinging about not getting the top job.

        Commenter
        Mathew
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:58AM
      • The have given Independent politicans everywhere a worse reputation to overcome.

        Commenter
        Frank
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:00AM
      • Just curious -- do you think that by backing the LNP, the electorates represented by Windor and Oakeshott would have got more out of the federal government???

        I seriously doubt it -- building infrastructure is not in the LNP ideology. No hospitals, no internet, no protection of the water table from CSG...

        Commenter
        GuybrushThreepwood
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:55AM
    • I put two wishes under my pillow last night 1. Julia would resign and 2. The maroons get the win. Selfish..yes, sometimes life demands it.

      Commenter
      thereisnoyouinLabor
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:34AM
      • I got 2 wishes I didn't even ask for! Oakshott and Windsor....holy cow...my mama always told me there would be days like this.

        Commenter
        thereisnoyouinLabor
        Location
        brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:52AM
    • Reminds me of Nero fiddling while Rome burned, only this time it's Julia fiddling while the rest of Australia burns.

      Commenter
      kieranspop
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:34AM
      • Knitting.

        McTernan does the fiddling.

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:51AM
      • Australia burns????

        Low inflation
        Low intrest rates
        AAA credit rating
        Solid and resiient economy (a recent John Howard comment)
        Low government debt to GDP
        Negative sentiment of the economy untruthfully espoused by some parts of the media
        All in the shadow of a world GFC.

        You really need to do some reading

        Commenter
        The circus is coming
        Location
        At work
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:14PM
      • The circus I already here...its called the Labour Govt.

        Commenter
        Richard
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:07PM
      • Circus, you need to get out in the real world and experience the economy and it not pretty. You have not tried to get a job in the private sector, recently have you. Low inflation and interest rates are caused by one very rapidly deteriorating economy

        Commenter
        Mal
        Location
        Cranbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 7:08PM
      • Looking in the mirror again?

        Commenter
        Max Gross
        Location
        Sapphire Coast
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:42PM
    • Nice tie Kev.

      Commenter
      Scooter
      Location
      Kam Berra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:32AM
      • Why thank you, scoot. The missus chose it for me - she has good taste, don't you think ?

        Commenter
        Man of Mystery
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:14PM
    • Thank You ,Mr.Oakeshoot. A sensible man putting family first and your four little wonders would be glad to have you back
      As thier full time dad. Cheers!

      Commenter
      Old Mary nana
      Location
      Westies
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:30AM
      • Interesting that it has taken him 3 times to make the decision.
        Family reasons is always a nice way to end it.

        Commenter
        Peter
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:52AM
      • We know why you really are taking the quit option. So tell your us your excuses. But we know. And history knows as well.

        Commenter
        Frank
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:14PM
    • And we thought Oakeshott would just fade away on election night. Now we will be subjected to the longest, drawn out, waffling, non-sensible valedictory speech of all time. I suppose he will finish off the same way he started.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party/Greens La La Land
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:30AM
      • Oh ,did you have to take the gloss off it?

        Commenter
        thereisnoyouinLabor
        Location
        brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:39AM
      • Hopefully both labor and the coalition will walk out while 17 minute Rob gives his valadicory speech. He and winsor can sit there and cheer each other.

        Commenter
        Denny
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:44PM
    • 17 days to make a decision with an utterly ridiculous speech to back the likes of gillard. "rob oakeshott" "beautiful in its ugliness" what? FOR THE WORST PM, THE WORST GOVERNMENT IN AUSTRALIA'S HISTORY. On sept 14th you were going to get voted out too, we will miss that joy.

      Commenter
      good riddance
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:29AM
      • Hope you have a secure job and a lot of savings because you will need it. Once the cutbacks start the country will go down like Europe

        Commenter
        Rod
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:47AM
      • Liberal party stooges sure prowl these blogs a lot, that's for sure. Funny how our economy is rated one of the best in the world, has a triple A credit rating from the IMF and World bank, yet they prattle on its the worst govt ever. Just wait for Tones to unleash his hidden slash and burn agenda, his hidden dark policies, post election, then youll know what a REAL bad govt it. LOL

        Commenter
        Piesnchess
        Location
        Mt Evelyn
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:59AM
      • You mean once we start paying back labors 300 $Billion spending spree ( let me spell that 300,000 million) that returned nothing but white elephants, NBN, paying 2 $billion to payout to company's to keep them going after a job and competitive destroying carbon tax, or do you mean the household assistance scheme from labors "policy disaster fund" "pdf".

        Commenter
        to rod
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:00AM
      • Unfortunately 'Piesnchess' we won't be laughing - it'll be a disaster. Unfortuantely there are a lot of Australians that don't understand - or just don't care. They will - in time. Unfortunately not many will check over the fence before deciding that the grass must be greener....

        Commenter
        Richo
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:17AM
      • Good Riddance - can you explain just how this government has been the worst in Australia's history? By what criteria are you judging this? It can't be legislation passed. And it can't be a lack of nation-building. So just how are they the worst?

        BTW - to justify the claim, you'll actually have to compare them against other governments, not just make rabid, frothy-mouthed statements.

        Commenter
        snag
        Location
        melb
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:22AM
      • "It can't be legislation passed", just because you pass bills doesnt mean they are any good, take for instance super, can indusry afford it? and how does that measure with competitiveness and an a high australian dollar?... send business to the ground. A typical union idea, "stuff businesses they can afford it attitude". And Numbers of bills, what? you count them and that makes them good. I dont count the number of bills when i go to the toilet and say that was good. your thinking is Utterly ridiculous.

        Commenter
        to snag
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:09AM
      • @to snag
        Increased Superannuation has always been paid for in the form of reduced wage increases. The worker pays in the end, not business. Open our other eye.

        Commenter
        Jimmy
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:04PM
      • Calm down champ. I agree that number of bills passed doesn't in itself make a good government. However most of the criticism leveled against the government is based on its apparent dysfunction, and that is not borne out by the facts. What they have achieved is especially impressive given the utterly toxic political environment of this parliament - something that even a partisan like you would have to give credit to.

        My point is that there have been other governments that have achieved less, and been more dysfunctional (ever heard of Billy McMahon?), so to bandy on about this government being 'the worst ever' is just childish and betrays a complete lack of historical acumen and analytical ability. See the following article for a good analysis.

        http://www.theage.com.au/national/leaders-and-losers-20130601-2nj9b.html

        Commenter
        snag
        Location
        melb
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:07PM
      • Great link snag thank you

        I don't see much point in looking to the government to provide economic stability given how risk adverse our leaders are, how globalised our economy is and how exposed our industries are. Australia is buffered from the GFC by solid domestic banking regulations and resources demand - so our dollar soars while other nations are doing it tough. Not a lot to do with govenrment as far as I can see.

        If you want to demand protection for our industries then demand tariffs and import restrictions - hand outs will only go so far as Ford as shown.

        Putting Labor's other various policy half measures aside, the debt from the stimulus and NBN is not a big deal. We will be back in the black relatively soon and with the best possible NBN option avaliable whcih will help support regional australia (thanks due to the independants there).
        Our debt to GDP ratio is very very good compared to other OECD nations and our credit rating is great - its the perfect time to borrow to fund further infrastructure and nation building investment (education, medicare dental) we are going to benfit from in the future. But it doesn't look like there will be any of that kind of bold investment or leadership under Abbott's watch - unless its in defence - so we can defend ourselves against the perilous terror of desperate Afgans in leaky boats.

        Commenter
        fleetfox
        Location
        Melbourne
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:01PM
      • @Piesnchess our Economy is strong not because of the ALP, its because people who manage all our big business made smart decisions when running their business. I wonder how many CEO's vote Labor.

        Soon you will be claiming the ALP helped reduce interest rates.

        Commenter
        Dave
        Location
        Coogee
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:21PM
    • The rats begin to desert the sinking ship.

      Commenter
      Alex
      Location
      Finley
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:28AM
      • It began with Roxon. And the analogy could not be more apt.

        Commenter
        Louis Cypher
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:40AM
      • No the rats are about to walk into the job without any qualifications, policies or scrutiny.

        At least we get to see you lot squirm for the next few years while all your dreams get crushed.

        Commenter
        pugwash
        Location
        earth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:10AM
      • pugwash
        5 stars for that.

        Commenter
        Staz
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:34PM
      • Yes, the ones from Roxon to Oakeshott to Windsor etc all cannot escape their legacy of shame! This will haunt them and those close to them as long as history is here to stay!

        Commenter
        Frank
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:18PM
    • Great news today-Oakeshott is going Yeah Ha!!

      Commenter
      ultra
      Location
      Mel
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:25AM
      • I appreciate your enthusiasm, but we wanted to see him go at 6:05pm on September 14th.

        Commenter
        greggroovey
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:19AM
      • +1

        Commenter
        Paul
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:22AM
      • agree....It would have been more satisfying to see them punted on 14 September....

        History will not treat them well....

        Commenter
        paul
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:47PM
      • Oakshott has been light years ahead of the usual National Party hacks in the seat. At least he has a brain and has been responsible for some excellent legislation.

        Commenter
        Lord Lucan
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:15PM
      • If you live in Oakeshots electorate, How well did you do over the past 3 years, and how well do you think you will do in the next 3??

        Commenter
        jessiedog
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:19PM
      • Why so cruel, guys? Seriously, I am so depressed at how mean-spirited people are.

        Commenter
        pol
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:21PM
      • Oakeshots done a great job, especially around the mid north coast. Congrats to him.

        Haters will hate, but I'm an admirer.

        Commenter
        Ted
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:14PM
      • His legacy of shame is confirmed by his 'I Quit' option. One of our country's least impressive individuals.

        Commenter
        Frank
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:16PM
    • Oakshott should be presented with a gold watch by the Labor Party for his bias and complete lack of indepndant thinking.
      Very dissapointing that he leaves without giving his own Constituency the opportunity to vent at him for going against their wishes 2010-2013.

      Commenter
      PMI
      Location
      Hampton
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:24AM
      • If The Nationals’ David Gillespie is elected in his place, how much 'independent thinking' do you think he will display? Would he ever cross the floor to benefit Lyne ahead of the coalition? Me neither.

        Commenter
        BalmainBoy
        Location
        Castle Hill NSW
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:52AM
      • Yeh, he told Abbott that he didn't care for him -Abbott-telling him hed sell his arse to get into Parliament, that's what you Libs really cant stand about this man of real INDEPENDENCE , and guts and courage.

        Commenter
        Piesnchess
        Location
        Mt Evelyn
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:02AM
      • I heard Oakeshott this morning say the Unions did a poll and it showed that he would be very competitvie at the election. lol Then in the next breath when asked about Labors polls he said I take no notice of polls.

        Commenter
        Kerry
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:05AM
      • "against their wishes 2010-2013"

        Not really now is it. Talk is cheap.

        Commenter
        Joe
        Location
        Geelong
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:05AM
      • @Piesnchess, if he had guts he'd stand for re-election.

        Commenter
        greggroovey
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:15AM
      • Well you can talk solace that he actually did something for Lyne rather than the previous members and most certainly the next.

        Commenter
        Farmer
        Location
        Brisbane
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:17AM
      • what did the last poll in his electorate rate him I think it was 11%!! says it all as a representative of his area! and good riddance!

        Commenter
        happy days 85 to go
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:07AM
      • @piesnchess .... I see yet another Labor person has not idea of the facts ...... It was Windsor who made that statement, and he is a man with no support in his own electorate. Another typical comment from the uneducated !

        Commenter
        Gary
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 12:54PM
      • "his bias and complete lack of indepndant thinking"

        Just like those who uses The Media as their source of information?

        Commenter
        keith
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:36PM
    • With 8% of Lyne voters picking Labor as first preference in 2010, perhaps Oakeshott is seeing the numbers working against him.

      Australia's most famous knitter might be smart to do likewise today, although it's unlikely Kev's miraculously discovered a ticker overnight.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:16AM
      • Oakshott and Windsor betrayed their electorates and don't even have the honour of allowing the voters to have their say. The number of independent MP's representing the states since the last federal election has plummeted from 14 to 5, and this trend was set to continue at the federal level.

        There is a chance that Rudd will go against his word and stand, however time is running out given he's heading to China tomorrow - anything would need to be done today.

        Commenter
        Let's Make Sandwiches
        Location
        Wollongong
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 9:57AM
      • Windsor was ahead in polling, by about 11 points I believe. It would seem the majority of his electorate did not feel betrayed.

        On the other hand, if you feel personally betrayed by Windsor's decisions and you are not from New England then it really is nothing to do with you, and, if you are from New England then it would appear you are in the minority.

        Commenter
        tasch2
        Location
        Mornington Peninsula
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:05AM
      • Honestly Oakshott saying he has achieved his objectives - what objectives never heard them pronounced. The only objective Oakshott has achieved is to support the rabble that are currently attempting to run this country for the past three years. Some memory to go out on.

        Commenter
        Paul
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:21AM
      • Perhaps Tasch they understand that regardless of the person they elect it will be a conservative government.

        Windsor is a saavy politician in my view -which would explain the polls. He is also good at pork barrelling.

        Commenter
        Let's make sandwiches
        Location
        Wollongong
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:40AM
      • LMS - good things come in threes. We've had Windsor and Oakeshott.

        Gillard would be the icing on the cake, not that chicken Kev really deserves it.

        Commenter
        Hacka
        Location
        Canberra
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:05AM
      • tesch 2 that must be why he is never seen in Tamworth anymore because the people just love him so much, the independent polling I saw mind you it was over 12 months ago gave him 22%!

        Commenter
        happy days 85 to go
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:09AM
      • Windsor is about as welcome and liked in New England as a rare steak is at a vegetarian convention...

        Commenter
        Commando - Involved again
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 11:37AM
      • Windsor and Oakshott can see the writing is on the wall and both of them are just jumping ship, its what I would expect from both of them

        Commenter
        SG
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:20PM
    • So who can tell me if KRudd is going to pick up the ball?

      Commenter
      Avago
      Location
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 9:16AM
      • I can! He isn't!

        Commenter
        Kathy
        Location
        South Coast
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:27PM
      • Yes he is. Ballot tomorrow morning apparently.

        Commenter
        Altered
        Location
        Esperance
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 1:39PM
      • Doesn't mean he will stand

        Commenter
        middleway
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 2:30PM
      • Rudd's worst nightmare is that Gillard resigns and he's got to come up with a believable excuse for not taking the job. He's not goint to set himslef up to get slaughtered in September

        Commenter
        MattPP
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:21PM
      • Seems to have been a figment of Peter Hartcher's imagination.

        Commenter
        jofek
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:30PM
      • This is Lbors final turning of the knife in the back of Rudd. Let him think he has support then crush him again in the caucus vote.

        Commenter
        abc
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:01PM
      • sure jofek, that's right....standard line "nothing going on here, move along"

        Where there's smoke there's fire. I doubt '07 has the gumption to stand though, just getting his final revenge as he sees the polls slip further into the 20's.

        Commenter
        Already Reflected
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:38PM
      • Yep he will, he is so much better than JG...

        Commenter
        kate
        Location
        Syd
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:44PM
      • Already Reflected, Peter Hartcher's been calling the Rudd resurrection for 3 years and this morning he almost demanded it happen. Now he comes out with his 'it's happening' story and 'Shorten's flipped' story and still there's no sign of substance other than the smoke you refer to.

        Commenter
        jofek
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 4:58PM
      • jofek, except now Rudd has challenged which he odviously would not have done if he did not think he had a chance, and he would not think he had a chance unless he (and his supporters) had been campaigning for change. Parliament is like a leaky boat, you know there's water coming in but you can't tell where it's from because you're knee deep in it. The rumours about Rudd have always been true it's only now though he think he's got enough support to carry him over the line. Also, I think Gilard offering her resignation gave him confidence there would be no major retribution.

        Commenter
        Already Reflected
        Location
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 5:48PM
      • Better luck next time with the fortune telling jofek(Hon GF,Bach. Lab.)!!

        Commenter
        Smack
        Location
        City of the Fallen
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 10:23PM
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