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Politics live: March 22, 2013

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Another day, another wrap. Let's look back at another extraordinary day.

1. Kevin Rudd has declared there are no circumstances under which he will return to the leadership of the Labor Party;

2. Prime Minister Julia Gillard has declared the leadership battle is ''over'';

3. But it has had significant casualties - Kim Carr, Martin Ferguson, Chris Bowen, Joel Fitzgibbon, Ed Husic, Janelle Saffin, Richard Marles and Simon Crean - either stood down or were sacked;

4. This means the ministerial reshuffle - expected next week - will be significant.

5. Next stops - the budget on May 14 and the election on September 14.

Thanks again to everyone's interest and contributions.

As usual, Andrew Meares and Alex Ellinghausen make this blog come alive.See you soon.

Mr Rudd: "The key thing is the values for which we stand as a movement....We stand for a strong Australia, a fair Australia."

And with that, he had to "zip".

(Yes, he did end with that.)

 

Mr Rudd says he was not expecting the "spontaneous combustion" of Simon Crean's move yesterday.

Mr Rudd: "Now for the future. It's time for the Australian Labor Party to unite under Prime Minister Julia Gillard."

"It is time for us to confront a threat to Australia's future - Tony Abbott."

"For myself, the Prime Minister Julia Gillard has my 100 per cent support."

"There are no circumstances under which I will return to the leadership of the Australian Labor Party."

Mr Rudd says he will contest the next election.

Mr Rudd is also paying tribute to Martin Ferguson, Kim Carr and Richard Marles.

Joel Fitzgibbon has demonstrated "extraordinay pastoral care" for MPs across political parties, he says.

He has kind words for Ed Husic and Janelle Saffin.

Mr Rudd says the people who have resigned are people of "extraordinary ability."

Chris Bowen is a great talent, Mr Rudd says, and "in him I see a future prime minister of Australia."

Mr Rudd says the advice he received was that there was "zero" chance of him having a majority.

 

 

Mr Rudd says "there is no point in inheriting a disunited party."

"Following Mr Crean's surprise statement it became clear there was no significant majority, in fact there was no majority at all. The notion of a draft was not in reality there."

Mr Rudd says it would have "split the party down the middle" had he run.

Kevin Rudd: "In political life we live by our word, we live by whether we honour our word."

Mr Rudd says since last February's ballot he has repeatedly said he would not challenge.

"I believe in honouring my word."

Had he done otherwise, he says, he would have been "quite rightly attacked" for a loss of credibility.

The Prime Minister has put out a statement regarding the resignation of Mr Ferguson.

It is very similar to the one she made for Mr Bowen.

Ms Gillard thanked Mr Ferguson for his work and noted that his decision was "honourable".

 

Senator Carr says he won't make an estimate of how the vote would have gone other than to say it was very close.

He refuses to say anything of the comments of the other Senator Carr - the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Bob Carr - other than to say "very little in this business surprises me".

And that's it for Senator Kim Carr.

 

Kim Carr resigns from the ministry during a press conference in Canberra

Kim Carr resigns from the ministry during a press conference in Canberra Photo: Andrew Meares

Senator Carr is defending Mr Rudd's style as prime minister.

"Even some of the most unusual ideas were endorsed and encouraged."

Senator Carr says "27 polls in a row" showed Labor was behind.

It doesn't take a "great scholar" to work out Labor is in trouble, he says.

Kim Carr speaks to the media at a press conference at Parliament House

Kim Carr speaks to the media at a press conference at Parliament House Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Senator Carr says he understands why the public is interested in the "funny, little ways" of the Labor Party.

"I have got a right and an obligation to do the right thing by Labor."

He predicts there will be a Royal Commission into unions if Tony Abbott is elected prime minister.

 

 

Kim Carr resigns from the ministry during a press conference

Kim Carr resigns from the ministry during a press conference Photo: Andrew Meares

Senator Carr says he advised Mr Rudd not to run.

"The numbers were very, very close. Don't listen to the nonsense being spoken to the contrary. The fact is there was not a majority there. Simon Crean did a very courageous thing but no one followed it."

"The worst result for Labor was for there to be a narrow loss for Kevin. It would have been the worst of all possible circumstances for all of us."

 

Senator Carr: "It is my fervent hope that Labor can revive itself and its fortunes."

"When there is a strong Labor Party there is a strong Australia."

"I never write the Labor Party off, never, but I solemnly believed that Kevin offered the best opportunity."

 

Kim Carr speaks to the media at a press conference

Kim Carr speaks to the media at a press conference Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Senator Carr: "It is no secret that in late 2011 I was profoundly disappointed when the Prime Minister demoted me from cabinet."

Senator Carr says he remained in the ministry at the request of the Prime Minister.

Kim Carr is also resigning: "I want to make it perfectly clear that I have not made this decision lightly."

"In the past 13 months it has been a privilege to lead the 36,000 strong human services portfolio."

 

And then we'll be hearing from Kevin Rudd at 4.15.

Next up - in about 20 minutes time - is the Minister for Human Services and Rudd supporter Kim Carr.

And that's it from Mr Ferguson.

In a ministerial and press conference sense.

Martin Ferguson and his wife Patricia leave the press conference

Martin Ferguson and his wife Patricia leave the press conference Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Ferguson says he is worried that unless people pull together Labor will be headed for the situation it was in after the 1996 election when it was left with 49 MPs.

Mr Ferguson smiles when asked for his views on the Greens.

He says he's never criticised any individual in public.

Martin Ferguson resigns from the ministry during a press conference in Canberra

Martin Ferguson resigns from the ministry during a press conference in Canberra Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Ferguson is critical of the decision to take away from caucus the right to choose the front bench.

He says it makes people scared to speak out lest they jeopardise their careers.

Mr Ferguson defends the mining tax and says it is "working the way it was intended."

Mr Ferguson: "The modern Labor Party and the modern trade union movement should appeal to all Australians."

 

Martin Ferguson during a press conference in Canberra

Martin Ferguson during a press conference in Canberra Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Ferguson: "The class warfare that started the mining war of 2010 must cease."

He says it will be "very easy" for Labor to regain momentum as it heads towards the election "if there is a will."

"There's an opportunity for a fresh start."

"Let's just go forward and try and pull this party together.....in essence, create a new Labor Party as Hawke and Keating did."

Martin Ferguson speaks to the media during a press conference at Parliament House

Martin Ferguson speaks to the media during a press conference at Parliament House Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Ferguson says he discussed his decision with very few people.

He says once he made the decision he sat down ad read his first speech to parliament and remembered his father who left school at 13, became a brick layer and went on to become deputy premier of NSW.

 

Mr Ferguson: "I want to say to the Labor movement - thanks for the opportunity."

Mr Ferguson is thanking his staff, department and family.

"I have lived out of suitcase for 17 years," Mr Ferguson says.

"I wonder what I'm going to do as of today, I've never had spare time in my life."

Mr Ferguson says he will go to the backbench and recontest the next election.

"I don't believe in by-elections."

 

Martin Ferguson speaks to the media during a press conference at Parliament House

Martin Ferguson speaks to the media during a press conference at Parliament House Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Ferguson: "There is a Labor movement that should continue.

"Reclaim the legacy of the Hawke and Keating governments, of being a reforming government, of being a government that governs for all Australia."

Mr Ferguson says he hopes the party learns from the experiences negotiating the mining tax.

"You don't have to agree but you have to consult."

 

Martin Ferguson resigns from the ministry during a press conference in Canberra

Martin Ferguson resigns from the ministry during a press conference in Canberra Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Ferguson is listing his career triumphs - president of the ACTU and serving on the front bench for so long.

Mr Ferguson says one of his great regrets is that Kim Beazley was never prime minister.

Mr Ferguson is stepping down: "I have a view it's the only honourable thing to do."

"I would have voted for Kevin Rudd yesterday and Simon Crean to try and restart this party."

"The caucus has made a decision. I accept that."

"It is therefore appropriate that the prime minister and Labor Party are given the best available opportunity to regain the ability to reform."

The Minister for Resources and Energy, Martin Ferguson, will hold a press conference in about 20 minutes.

Bit of a surprise.

Ms Gillard is asked for her advice to women in leadership positions.

"I would say - always remember what's important about being there. It's very important to have a strong sense of yourself. Don't be buffetted by other people's opinions."

The PM says she will consider the new ministerial line up "over the coming days".

The PM says of Mr Rudd's statement earlier today: "I have seen the media reports of the statement and I think it reflects the reality."

"This issue is over and done with. This issue has been resolved for all time and I think Kevin's statement reflects that."

 

The PM is being asked about investment in roads funding.

The Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, is just beginning her press conference with Justine Elliot, the member for Richmond.

Ms Gillard is speaking at Bangalow.

The Victorian Premier, Denis Napthine, says there are no parallels between yesterday's events and Victoria's own sudden leadership change a fortnight ago.

"In my entire career in government, I've never seen anything like it," Dr Napthine says.

"The situation between Victoria and the federal government is like chalk and cheese. I was elected with the full support of the party and Baillieu stood down for a smooth transition."

Dr Napthine was elected unopposed on the evening of March 6, when former premier Ted Baillieu resigned after weeks of speculation about his poor performance in the polls.

Friends in high places.

Businessman James Packer, Deputy Opposition Leader Julie Bishop and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott at the address to the Menzies Research Centre

Businessman James Packer, Deputy Opposition Leader Julie Bishop and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott at the address to the Menzies Research Centre Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

The leader of the Opposition, Tony Abbott, has also been out and about this morning.

He has rejected the idea that the Labor Party's internal shenanigans will benefit him.

"It's not about me," Mr Abbott said earlier this morning.

"It's just got to be about the Australian people. You see the prime minister is focussed on herself and survival. She's not focussed on the national interest."

Mr Abbott will move a motion of no confidence when Parliament next sits (which is not until May 14 for the budget).

Mr Abbott repeated his call for an election to be held now.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott speaks to the media after his address to the Menzies Research Centre

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott speaks to the media after his address to the Menzies Research Centre Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Another great picture, this time from Alex Ellinghausen.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard and her Communications Director John McTernan depart The Lodge,  Canberra

Prime Minister Julia Gillard and her Communications Director John McTernan depart The Lodge, Canberra Photo: Alex Ellinghausen / Fairfax

The only utterance from Kevin Rudd is on his home page where he has posted a statement from a spokesperson.

"Mr Rudd has said consistently over the last 12 months that he would not challenge for the Labor leadership and that he would contest the next election as a local member of Parliament at the next election. That position has not changed."

"Furthermore, Mr Rudd wishes to make 100 per cent clear to all members of the parliamentary Labor Party, including his own supporters, that there are no circumstances under which he will return to the Labor Party leadership in the future."

Labor MP Kevin Rudd emerges from caucus after the leadership ballot yesterday

Labor MP Kevin Rudd emerges from caucus after the leadership ballot yesterday Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

I think we can assume that means hard hats or high viz vests - or possibly even both - may be involved.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard boards her RAAF VIP jet with Communications Director John McTernan and an AFP officer at Defence Establishment Fairbairn in Canberra

Prime Minister Julia Gillard boards her RAAF VIP jet with Communications Director John McTernan and an AFP officer at Defence Establishment Fairbairn in Canberra Photo: Andrew Meares

Ms Gillard will be inspecting a road, according to her office, at about lunchtime.

 

Prime Minister Julia Gillard boards her RAAF VIP jet with Communications Director John McTernan and her AFP officer at Defence Establishment Fairbairn in Canberra

Prime Minister Julia Gillard boards her RAAF VIP jet with Communications Director John McTernan and her AFP officer at Defence Establishment Fairbairn in Canberra Photo: Andrew Meares

Ms Gillard is believed to be heading north, possibly in search of some sunnier skies.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard boards her RAAF VIP jet at Defence Establishment Fairbairn in Canberra

Prime Minister Julia Gillard boards her RAAF VIP jet at Defence Establishment Fairbairn in Canberra Photo: Andrew Meares

Photographer extraordinaire Andrew Meares has taken these exclusive pictures of the Prime Minister leaving Canberra.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard boards her RAAF VIP jet at Defence Establishment Fairbairn in Canberra

Prime Minister Julia Gillard boards her RAAF VIP jet at Defence Establishment Fairbairn in Canberra Photo: Andrew Meares

The Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, has done some radio interviews this morning in which she said she was "a bit surprised, given all the build up, that Kevin [Rudd] didn't stand".

"But having chosen not to stand does underline that this is definitely over."

"I think is anybody wanders into a journalist's office in the future from the Labor Party claiming to have a numbers sheet they will be met with gales of laughter. This is over."

A spokesperson for the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, has issued this statement in relation to the resignation of Mr Bowen from the ministry.

"The Prime Minister thanked Mr Bowen for his contribution to the Ministry and particularly for his service in the Immigration portfolio."

"The Prime Minister also acknowledges his conduct in offering his resignation was honourable."

Prime Minister Julia Gillard makes a short statement after winning the leadership ballot

Prime Minister Julia Gillard makes a short statement after winning the leadership ballot Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Before things starting moving quickly again I must clarify and issue a mea culpa over something I published yesterday.

I published what I took to be a tweet from Labor MP Rob Mitchell which I subsequently discovered was from a fake account.

It was shortly before the ballot-that-wasn't took place. When I realised my mistake I removed the post.

Mr Mitchell's office believe "mischief" was afoot among Coalition MPs.

I apologise to Mr Mitchell. Fast pacing news isn't an excuse for being taken in.

Labor MP Rob Mitchell

Labor MP Rob Mitchell Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Lenore Taylor says the events weren't even a farce but an "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes comedy horror show".

 

Chief political correspondent Mark Kenny has this wrap on the day that was.

Mark points out that the Prime Minister won the battle but now faces a long war to rebuild Labor's credibility.

The Sydney Morning Herald's political editor, Peter Hartcher, says the only winner out of yesterday was Tony Abbott.

Let's start with The Age's political editor Michael Gordon who writes that yesterday's events did nothing to dampen the perception that the Labor Party excels as "Keystone Cops amateurism".

 

Wow - I don't know about you but I need a coffee and a bit of context.

While you go and get a coffee I'll post some links to analysis about the madness of yesterday.

Bob Carr: "Australians want to see the Labor Party close ranks.....Australians want to see their party unite.....and see the Prime Minister has emerged stronger not weaker."

Bob Carr: "She's renewed and reaffirmed her leadership. The Labor Party has got to put behind it this period of leadership speculation."

"It's been an irritant."

"We've got to give heart and encouragement to the supporters of the party who want a united ALP."

Senator Carr says it was "unnecessary" for  Mr Bowen to resign but says he can understand why he did it.

Our US correspondent, Nick O'Malley, has confirmed the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Bob Carr, is on his way to ambassador Kim Beazley's residence in Washington D.C. to hold a press conference.

Breaking news reporter Jonathan Swan has this update on how many people have now resigned or been sacked in the wake of yesterday's leadership stoush.

In summary, Chris Bowen, Ed Husic, Janelle Saffin and Richard Marles resigned from their positions.

Mr Crean was sacked and Mr Fitzgibbon has indicated he will resign.

So - to sum that up - Chris Bowen has resigned his position in the ministry but will stay in Parliament and recontest his seat at the election.

Mr Bowen says the party must now unite and that the issue of leadership has been resolved.

"The Labor Party, like every other party, has to unite and accept the decision of the party."

 

Chris Bowen resigns as a minister during a press conference

Chris Bowen resigns as a minister during a press conference Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Bowen says he won't discuss the conversations that were going on in the lead up to yesterday's ballot.

"Don't bother ringing me up afterwards for off the record conversations because there won't be any."

Mr Bowen says he thinks Simon Crean was courageous in his actions.

"He took a big risk and paid a big sacrifice."

Mr Bowen says the leadership battle is now over.

"The Labor Party has had two opportunities. They haven't taken them up."

"This matter is finished and I believe that to be the view of all of us who supported Kevin and I believe that to be Kevin's view as well."

"This is a very tough election and the odds are against us. We're the underdogs. No election is unloseable."

Chris Bowen resigns as a minister during a press conference

Chris Bowen resigns as a minister during a press conference Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Bowen is asked if Kevin Rudd should leave politics.

"That's entirely a matter for him. He has a lot to offer Australia in any capacity."

Chris Bowen during a press conference at Parliament House

Chris Bowen during a press conference at Parliament House Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Bowen: "We all knew the conditions under which he would contest the ballot....We are all grown ups in this building."

"The Labor Party would have done well to return him to the leadership. The party took a different view hence my decision today."

Mr Bowen says he is not disappointed Mr Rudd did not run.

"He did the right thing...We advised him the ballot would be close, very close. We said any ballot that was close would not resolve the issue of leadership and he did not want to do that to the Labor Party. I think Kevin did the right and decent thing in not contesting the vote."

Mr Bowen is being asked if Mr Rudd took people's loyalty for granted and "played them for fools".

Mr Bowen says he "completely rejects that".

 

Mr Bowen is paying tribute to his staff and family.

He thanks his wife, Rebecca, who rates all his press conferences - "she's a pretty hard marker."

"My litte treasures, Grace and Max....who think everyone's dad goes to sit in the green room in Canberra."

Mr Bowen says politics means you don't get to see your children very much but "I hope they will be proud of me today."

Mr Bowen will recontest his seat of McMahon (western Sydney) at the election.

"I will fight hard....and I will win it."

Chris Bowen: "A strong Labor Party is vital for the future of Australia."

Mr Bowen says the Greens believe in opportunity not growth while the Opposition believes in growth but not opportunity.

"We're the only party that believes in both."

"If the Labor Party isn't strong who's going to care about the kids from western Sydney and Weipa and giving them the best chance in life?"

Chris Bowen thanks Mr Rudd for appointing him to the Cabinet and thanks the Prime Minister for keeping him there.

"For two and a half years I was minister for immigration....I discussed with many of you the highs and lows. It was a controversial job. Not many people wake up in the morning and say "Geez the Immigration Minister is doing a good job'."

Chris Bowen: "This is what I regard as an appropriate and honourable decision for me."

He says he will leave it to other ministers who supported Mr Rudd to make their own decisions.

Chris Bowen: "25 years ago I joined the ALP. Every day since then I've done what I thought was in the best interests of the Labor Party. Always."

Mr Bowen says he took the "difficult decision" that supporting Mr Rudd was the best option for Australia.

"Last night I decided to resign....I informed the Prime Minister this morning."

Chris Bowen was one of Mr Rudd's most senior supporters. He was often talked about as the person most likely to become treasurer should Mr Rudd regain the prime ministership.

He was minister for immigration but was made minister for tertiary education in the February reshuffle.

While it was certainly a more junior position there are not many people who are not glad to be released from the immigration portfolio which is widely seen as one of the most gruelling and emotionally taxing jobs in government.

The wash up continues. Key Rudd supporter and Cabinet minister Chris Bowen is about to announce his resignation. Join us for our live coverage of federal politics.

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  • I'ts sad to see that this happening. Labor values are moderate, and without the democrats we don't have another moderate party. But good game Julia even the stringest labor supporter cannot stick with a blind captain. Equal opportunity is not an excuse for failing. Rudd simply delivered the message better. No tact and no finesse. No wonder people are bored with today's politics. I'd rather see Malcolm and Rudd duel it out and see what persuasive techniques they employ with regards projecting their cause than this tiring banter between bevis and butthead.

    Commenter
    deevelooper
    Location
    brunswick
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 5:20PM
  • I just went looking for "Slick' Abbott's 52 page book of "policies" but apparently it is sold out to preschool classes as a reading aid for preschoolers.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 5:18PM
  • Is the mass overblown hysteria over yet?

    Commenter
    Steeden
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    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 5:18PM
  • Gillard has to get some wind out of this disturbance. Accolades, Pats on the shoulders (not Taps), enough time to plan for retirement, two months for magically budgetting a list of promises for vulnerable people to believe, and best of all handing over the rubbished economy for Abbott to unravel and blame him for.

    Commenter
    Inspector Rex
    Location
    Modern Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 5:16PM
  • If politicans can be construed to speak with twin forked tongues, then Kevin really wants Abbott to win to vindicate his only position in Australian Political history, the only Prime Minister who wanted the opposition to win. Gillard by the way is content with being the 15th longest serving Prime minister.

    Commenter
    Inspector Rex
    Location
    Modern Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 5:09PM
  • Quite frankly, Simon Crean should resign from Parliament or be sacked. Shocking for a Minsiter to do what he did! Where is the party loyalty!

    Commenter
    Bertha
    Location
    New Zealand
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 5:08PM
  • Rats leaving sinking ship. Suppose the captain goes down with the vessel. Tough as nails but a lousy PM. No-one loves her. How sad.....

    Commenter
    Jean
    Location
    Brisbane
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 5:07PM
  • 'Mr Rudd says he was not expecting the "spontaneous combustion" of Simon Crean's move yesterday.'

    All news to him huh? Despite speaking to Crean 48 hours before Crean's declaration. Despite Fitzgibbon waiting in his office for Crean's four to five 'certain votes' to materialise and visit him. Clearly communication wasn't a priority in the Rudd camp around such trivial matters.

    Maybe he is just having an attack of the Bob Carrs. 'I know nothing of my own actions'

    Commenter
    Riverman
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 5:07PM
  • Congratulations Julia! You have done well to hang in there! Good luck for the rest of the year!

    Commenter
    Melinda-Lee
    Location
    New Zealand
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 5:04PM
  • WoW this really is the Canberra Comedy Festival!!

    But seriously after the masses of polls that indicate the LP will be cricified, if JG had the Labour Party at heart (and not her own survival & power) she would have shown some dignity and integrity and resigned some time ago.

    So I believe she and Swanee are the culprits of doom in allowing the disunity to go on festering and festering.

    Unfortunately the LP will be decimated!

    I also believe JG is doing a great disservice to the cause to get more women into powerful positions. .

    Stubbornness must not to be confused with strength of character!

    Commenter
    Sandwedge
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:59PM
  • If Grandpa Simpson was in Labor he'd have a good chance at a senior ministry right now.

    I suppose Julia is going spend the
    whole weekend playing with the remaining 'deckchairs'.

    Come over to my place Tim, we can
    watch Blackhawk Down again.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:58PM
  • Honestly, I don't really care because this government is so useless and beyond comment, however, has anybody really noticed how ugly all the key players are? Why are all bad politicians really ugly?

    Commenter
    Trev
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:57PM
  • People still backing labour after this tragic farce simply have no credibility. Their bias would see them back the ALP regardless of what travesty they commit.

    Doesn't anyone else think this is a GOLDEN time for someone to step up and start a third option (ignoring the Green wingnuts aof course)?

    The two options on menu are unbelievably awful. Please someone set up a new party that is social progressive with just enough fiscal conservatism to stop vote buying and money wasting. I am begging!!!

    Commenter
    jezza
    Location
    newtown
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:57PM
  • Ah yes, The Australian Labor Party - a veritable "House of Cards".

    Commenter
    Hasbeen
    Location
    Umina
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:56PM
  • I can't stand The Age's new electronic layout. If you want me to surbscribe to digital, you'll need to do a better layout. Right now - it's all over the place.

    Commenter
    christine
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:55PM
  • OK I was technically wrong about the election being called until the GG acts. Can you see the PM going earlier that she has stated?
    I've been on the planet for nigh on 75 years and I've seen Conservative Leaders come and go. The only one who could possibly be called a statesman is Malcolm Fraser and that is only since he was replaced by Hawke. Punch Drunk Jesuit Abbott (failed) will never be a statesman and his Crusaders will be hoisted on their own petards on 15 September. We aren't all GenY fools in the Australian electorate.

    Commenter
    blanik
    Location
    Northern Country
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:55PM
  • I'm waiting for the resignations from politics altogether. A few by-elections might make things interesting. Only a couple of seats the other way and we might not need an election this month after all?

    Commenter
    Llama Farma
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:55PM
  • The Truthful Julia cheer squad continues to mutter 'victory at all cost'. This medi-evil chant resonates well with the Greens who will pick up more disenchanted Rust-ons on election day. After all it's their mantra. The disaffected will fall prey to the Greens ideologe and abandon Another Lie Party

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Labor party La La Land
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:55PM
  • Gillards Labor only have themselves to blame. For 3 years now they have only pursued leftist policies. A population is made up of a big percentage of lefties and righties. When you ignore 50 percent of the population and instead focus on managing your releationships with greens and independents this is how you end up.
    Its not Abbots fault, its not the medias fault - its her fault for mis-managing stakeholders.
    The middle class of Aus are peeved off with policies that only consist of cash handouts (GFC/Carbon compensation) and the introduction of taxes (mrrt, carbon tax, loss of health insurance rebate etc).
    The problem she has had is not providing balance - all good leaders give a certain bit of social policy and certain bit of growth policy. She has not produced one single growth policy in 3 years.
    Julia deserves to go.

    Commenter
    aaaplus
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:54PM
  • How selfish and destructive of the right of the ALP. If we cant win we will destroy.

    Commenter
    jenni
    Location
    Camberwell
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:53PM
  • These are now the reforms that Swan was promising, the reforming of the Labour party has begun, the purging of the party dross.

    Commenter
    Inspector Rex
    Location
    Modern Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:53PM
  • It is a bit of a turn-off when the only 'value' Labor MPs can agree on is disliking Tony Abbott.

    The Ruddites are right. Labor needs to end the class war and recapture the Hawke/Keating agenda.

    Commenter
    AdamC
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:53PM
  • I wont be 'voting' next election. I will be figuratively punching the ALP with a swift vote for LNP. Its kind of cool knowing exactly what you will be doing months ahead. Thanks Kevin for giving us the chance to swing the baseball bat.

    Commenter
    punchitin
    Location
    sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:53PM
  • Its is very disappoiting to see fellow Labour supporters failing to see the problems with Labour. In essence, we need to get a fresh team, an experienced team , not a corrupt union only team. We need Labour to be a true alternative as it once was. Having Liberals elected will help trigger this. As in Gough once said 'Its Time'

    Commenter
    Hopeful
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:49PM
  • They say caucus, I heard circus.

    Commenter
    inspector Rex
    Location
    Modern Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:48PM
  • Kevin Rudd: "In political life we live by our word, we live by whether we honour our word."....laughable.......since when did a politician live by their word? If politicians lived by their words, they wouldn't have the job in the first place....someone else who lies would have it.

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    Andrew
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:47PM
  • The Labour Party can now lay claim to creating 5 more vacant jobs within the cabinet without budgeting. They are certainly well on their way to creating 1 million jobs since 2007! $$$errrchink.

    Commenter
    inspector Rex
    Location
    Modern Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:46PM
  • I am just waiting for Anthony Albanese to fall on his sword before JG sacks him. Now how can Windsor & Oakshott who hold the balance of power sit at the next sitting of parliament and continue to support this shambles of a Government. JG should bring the election forward and pu the Labor Party and the rest of Aust out of its misery.

    Commenter
    Cozmo
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:46PM
  • Rudd hasn't destroyed the Labor Party that honour belongs to Julia Gillard.

    Rudd took the Labor party from electoral oblivion to a sweeping victory ousting the 1950's thinking Howard Gov't from office.

    Gillard's grab for power by dumping a first term sitting Prime Minister was a power play that has damaged the Labor brand and it's traditional values sending the party back to political oblivion.

    Gillard has duplicated the Howard Gov't's position on human human rights for refugees and same sex Australians and continued gov't funding to over resourced private schools not to mention aligning herself with the Christian lobby.

    The electorate's dislike of Abbott is the only reason Gillard scraped in with help from the independents and now her popularity rating is lower than Abbott's.

    Julia Gillard is far from being a progressive reformer - Leadership is a process of influencing events in a way that advances our society-She has failed this leadership.

    Commenter
    George
    Location
    East Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:45PM
  • Election NOW!

    Commenter
    XYZ
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:45PM
  • Thats enough, stand down Kevin.

    Commenter
    inspector Rex
    Location
    Modern Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:43PM
    • what's he supposed to stand down from? he's not a minister, so do you mean from his seat? why should he desert his seat and the people who voted for him? all he did was what he said he would do, not contest the leadership. Simon Crean and the Jilia Gillard created yesterday's event. give him a break already.

      Commenter
      tin
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 5:15PM
  • just crunched the numbers and everybody who has resigned today is in a safe seat - ferguson the safest labour seat in the country, crean is on a 14% margin, bowen is at the most risk on a 7.8% margin - but most are predicting hes safe, alabanese 7th safest seat- meanwhile on gillards side- swan - gone, Julie owens- gone, garrett- gone, stephen smith gone, Deb oneill- gone, Melissa parke - gone - all on margins below 7% . Are these people delusional - they are going to lose their seats - somebody needs to say to them your backing the wrong horse.

    Commenter
    michelle
    Location
    sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:43PM
    • Wow. You do have to wonder as to their thinking. Perhaps the ones that resigned know they will be around to pick up the pieces post September and want to get as far away from the Gillard implosion?

      Commenter
      Mark S
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:52PM
    • You make a good point. Clearly Gillard and her cronnies have no interest in the preservation of the Labor Party. If they did they would have moved aside by now.

      Commenter
      Peter
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:52PM
    • I'm predicting J.Fraser will go into overdrive trying to spin out of this observation

      Commenter
      Matt
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:54PM
    • More rudd supporters who are safe fitzgibbons safe on 12.5%, Husic - safe on 12.3%, Marles- 13.5%. Gillards seat is safe too - but i'm not thinking she'll have a lot of friends in the party come Sept 15th. I'm predicting no opposition portfolio for her.

      Commenter
      michelle
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 5:01PM
    • Very good point. I think Albo may be in trouble though - very different demography in that seat now.

      Commenter
      meneka
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 5:03PM
    • What's your point Micheele?
      They should switch alliances to save their seats?
      What about instead they pick the leader they feel most comfortable with and hang the consequences.

      Commenter
      Econorat
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 5:03PM
    • The horse you think they should have picked was poo pooing on the other horses' patch. Labor won't unite under that. Labor will only survive if they unite and can the leaks.

      Commenter
      meatatarian
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 5:03PM
  • Gillard has declared that she is the strong feisty woman. I can't wait for her concession speech at about 9.00 pm on the 14th. Sept. 2013. Goodbye Labor. See you again in about 10 years or so. Unfortunately Australia will be the poorer. Common sense and humility is certainly not one of Labor's strengths.

    Commenter
    Alex
    Location
    Kensington
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:37PM
    • Now we know that you hate Labor and the Prime Minister.

      If the Liberals are in government in six months, what will their policies be? Or are they so vicious and right-wing stupid that the Australian public is not allowed to know.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:50PM
    • Commonsense and humility aint oozing out of the conservatives either! The liberals run by Gina and Rupert will be frightening. Australia will be turned into a world quarry and with education being available only for the wealthy, the plebiscites will work for $2 and hour for Big Gina and Skinny Rupert. The budgie smugglered bike rider will just be the errand boy while Julie Bishop bakes scones for morning tea.

      Commenter
      Mibs
      Location
      Clifton Hill
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:59PM
    • We are going to be (socially) poorer for an Abbott government -- but sadly likely worse off with another ALP fiasco.

      Where is our third option (and I do not mean the Greens).

      Commenter
      jif99
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:59PM
  • Rudd sounded like he was canvassing to be brought back into Cabinet.

    Commenter
    Stephen
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:36PM
  • "It is time for us to confront a threat to Australia's future - Tony Abbott."

    Oh no, what is it the 'red Peril' ? is 'asia invasion' ? what a joke.

    More a threat to Labour's longevity in power more like it with another 4 yearsof this rubbish.

    Commenter
    Ninno
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:35PM
  • 4:25pm: Mr Rudd: "Now for the future. It's time for the Australian Labor Party to unite under Prime Minister Julia Gillard."

    Good luck with what's left of it.

    Commenter
    Hasbeen
    Location
    Umina
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:34PM
  • There you have it, Crean's move came as a complete surprise to Rudd. I rest my case: the whole affair was nothing but an orchestration by Gillard and Crean.

    It is unimaginable that Crean would not have previously negotiated with Rudd if the spill was genuine. He didn't, therefore, the answer is it was another Gillard orchestration.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:33PM
    • So how do you explain Fitzgibbon saying it had to be done now the day before?

      How do you explain all those leaks to Harcher?

      What does it say of Rudd's communication skills that he could not convey to his people the whole thing was off and to stop backgrounding every chance they got?

      Commenter
      Simon
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:39PM
    • I completely agree. Crean was acting as Gillard's patsy to smoke out Rudd when he did not have the numbers to run. It was a case of getting in before Rudd had the numbers

      Commenter
      Jane
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:39PM
    • and.... is that good or bad?

      Commenter
      Econorat
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:41PM
    • My tinfoil hat is shiney too!

      Nah, Rudd hasn't been beavering away at ALP foundations for two years has he?

      If the media want something to report, why don't they tell us where all the damaging ALP leaks have been coming from (since before last election)?

      If Rudd had a shred of decency, he'd resign from the ALP.

      Commenter
      Bogue
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:44PM
    • Exactly - Crean is basking in plaudits he is getting for trying to set this floundering party on a steady course when all the time he was part of ripping it apart all to appease the self indulgent Gillard and her backers. This is why we have heard very little from Shorten and Co - just waiting until the dust settles to get more of their faction into the vacated spots. This is what happens when Unionists control the government.

      Commenter
      Magwitch
      Location
      Briz
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:49PM
    • Simon forgot to contact the faceless leadership of the Labor party.

      Commenter
      Goodbye JF
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 5:04PM
  • Seriously is this press conference an ego trip or what. I think I will just come out and repeat things I have already said today & give my full support to JG

    Commenter
    dj
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:31PM
  • After imploding the party and sabotaging Gillard, Rudd and his cronies retreat. After the election thrashing they will re-emerge to hypocritically claim the moral high ground. After one term of Abbott, the public will re-elect Labor in a landslide. Ferguson will defect to his true spiritual home, the Libs. Rudd is beneath contempt.

    Commenter
    Little Red Rooster
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:30PM
    • Don't take it to heart so much

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party La La Land
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:48PM
    • It will be a minimum of three terms before we see a Labor Govt again. They've angered too many people too quickly.

      Commenter
      Pete1
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 5:11PM
    • Abbott's neoliberal agenda will alienate the majority in very quick time. I doubt he'll he even survive his first term. If people get this angry with a government that has them in clover, how will they react when "Austerity Tony" puts the boot in? I'll start on his epitaph now.

      Commenter
      Little Red Rooster
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 5:19PM
  • As all those resigning have been union hacks and party officials why don;t they leave parliament and get real jobs and find out how the country works and produces its wealth. Maybe then they could try again and next time make policy in the interests of the country instead of the Labor party.

    Commenter
    grandpa
    Location
    sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:30PM
    • Sure grandpa! What we really need is experienced visionaries like Wyatt Roy to beef up the labor talent base. Ha!

      Commenter
      meatatarian
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:53PM
  • Why hasn't the media put it to Crean & Gillard that this was pre-planned by team Gillard, to get Rudd out of the way?

    Crean still hasn't explained with any credibility why he called for the spill, and it seems Rudd was totally taken by surprise...

    Commenter
    paul
    Location
    Brisbane
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:29PM
    • It was the faceless men who helped Gillard remove Rudd the first time and it is the faceless men who plotted with Crean and Gillard on this occasion to destroy Rudd

      Commenter
      Jane
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:42PM
    • Someone put it to Gillard that she knew, or was the instigator of Crean asking for a spill, and watch her dodge the question,...

      Crean will back on the front bench soon enough...just watch..

      Commenter
      paul
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:59PM
  • So just Rudd telling us that he didn't run in order not to split the Labor party down the centre. Well I'm glad that strategy worked so well! Blathering on about his honour also of course.

    Commenter
    Riverman
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:29PM
  • Yes . . if you've ever worked in the same arena as him "it's all about Kevin!"

    Commenter
    not the king of bribie island
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:29PM
  • Rudd should really stop saying "It's time for the Australian Labor Party to unite under Prime Minister Julia Gillard." He does not mean it and it makes him look like a fraud.He clearly does not like Gillard and the sentiment is hollow.

    Commenter
    Mike
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:28PM
  • We all know the government is out of cash, out of ideas and well... I know a great loan shark from Pakistan who can sort out all Julia's problems...

    just give me a call... Tirath Khemlani

    seriously... it couldn't get any weirder than this could it??

    Commenter
    Kimlani
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:28PM
    • Yes it has - Rudd and Gillard are both still here, with their respective canalbalistic tribes having a feeding frenzy

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party La La Land
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:47PM
  • I am listening to the saint speaking at this moment. I mean Kevin Rudd. What a wonderful, pure being he is. This man of sweetest temperament has warned us of the evil creature, Abbott, whose temperament Saint Kevin believes is unsuited to leaderhip. What a wonderful 'bloke' he is! Thank God he knew nothing of the plotting and destabilizing that his friends were up to. His smarminess makes me sick.

    Commenter
    Tom
    Location
    Sp;ring Hill
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:28PM
    • Yes, curious isn't it that the qualities he nominated in Abbott as making Abbott unsuitable to be PM he appears to have in spades himself. Hope he never develops any insight by a lightning strike, or blow on the head or some such. He'd be blown to smithereens by the enormity of his self delusion. Mind you....

      Commenter
      Riverman
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:58PM
  • Coming soon on Nine - UNDERBELLY: Labor. No, wait - that sort of maniacal bloodletting would never be believed...

    Commenter
    deano163
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:26PM
  • Gillard calling Fergusion's decision to stand down as "honorable". How does she define honorable. Was stabbing Kevin Rudd in the back to take over the leadership honorable. Was lying to the populace about the carbon tax honorable. Complete hypocrite !!

    Commenter
    Jane
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:24PM
  • What's happening in Canberra is NOTHING compared to what's been going on in the new Liberal government in the NT over the last 6 months. The question up here is 'who hasn't been shafted by the party and who's in charge this week ?'

    Commenter
    sam the butcher
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:24PM
  • The latest count is seven ministers gone. The media and LNP can not be blamed for this, only the ALP can. Gillard is not fit to govern the country. I think its time to Quentin Brice to pull the trigger...

    Commenter
    Llama Farma
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:24PM
  • If Crean's statement really was a
    'surprise' then this is a very murky
    affair. Someone is telling porkies.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:23PM
    • I would suggest that Rudd is implying that Crean was acting either out of self interest or for the benefit of Gillard

      Commenter
      Peter
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:46PM
  • If Kevin Rudd is in fact an honourable man, a man of his word, he would swallow his pride, meet with the PM ASAP, patch up old wounds as far as possible, and present a UNITED front. Be seen together, support the party for once, work to defeat Abbott. Because if we thought John Howard was an ultra-conservative with a fierce need for retribution on the whole country, Abbott will be much, much worse.

    Commenter
    Ron
    Location
    Brunswick
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:22PM
    • Tony Abbott will be for all Australian's not just for the unions, greens like the Labor Party. What would Gillard know about having kids etc? At least Thatcher in the UK had kids and family.

      Commenter
      Malcolm
      Location
      Berwick
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:49PM
    • Fraser, Sir. It would seem that the selfconsuming egos and canabilist tribes of the Another Lie Party have just about done themselves in this week. I hope they are all provided with the 'support' they require to survive until Monday when the zombie dance starts again.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party La La Land
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:21PM
  • Oh please!!! Call an election and put this dodgy lot out of their misery!

    Commenter
    Dr No
    Location
    Spring Hill
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:21PM
  • Rudd won't be leader of Labor because. 4:15 he will announce new political party which he will lead. Turnbull as deputy.

    Commenter
    TAbbott
    Location
    Turramurra
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:17PM
    • in the great words of Darryl Kerrigan -- Tell him he's dreamin'

      Commenter
      Jose
      Location
      the labour wasteland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:59PM
  • oooohhh can't wait till the next episode of australia's got (no political) talent! Bring it Ruddy - on the edge of my seat!

    Commenter
    Grain of Salt
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:16PM
  • Come on Liberal trolls, you know as well as I do, this franticness will settle, it is 6 months from an election and the polls for the ALP were the same in 4 out of the last 7 elections and those 4 won!!

    the polls have only been correct in 2 of the last 7 elections. So lets not write anyone off yet. Remember keating and his unwinable election...he won.

    Commenter
    xxx
    Location
    Kevs hideout
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:16PM
  • Wow this is fantastic! The rats are definitely leaving, so maybe the ship won't sink after all with all the weight of this deadwood gone.

    It is also giving us some idea of how low the figures were for Rudd.

    Julia, seize this opportunity with both hands !! This really is the chance to give the Labor party that renewal.

    Commenter
    DIDI K
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:15PM
    • DIDI K, you must be dreaming. Gillard and her misfits will get a trashing in September. Numbers don't lie - Nielsen poll has the LNP leading Labor in 27 consecutive polls. And it is consistent with Newspoll and other polls. Although I dread an Abbott, lets face it, Gillard will be responsible for Labor's heavy defeat. And guess what, she and her idiotic and moronic supporters will still blame Rudd.

      Commenter
      GSM
      Location
      Chatswood, NSW
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:56PM
  • I think the new website format sucks.....

    Commenter
    Andrew
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:14PM
    • Agreed

      Commenter
      lola
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:58PM
  • Hopefully Dudd the Wrecker will announce that he is resigning from politics.

    Commenter
    Another Grumpyoldfart
    Location
    The Gong
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:13PM
  • Anthony Albanese is the biggest fish of the Rudd supporters. What will he do?

    Commenter
    rudy
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:13PM
  • I find it hard to agree with Julia Gillard that the leadership battle is over - all it proved was that there was no one else wanting to put their head on the platter at the moment. What happens if a few more opinion polls go southwards?

    As for the budget, it can't possibly be a spending budget as they do not have any money left - they have already spent it, and still have to fund two of their big promises that they can't afford. Interesting times ahead - oh come September and when order and sanity can be restored

    Commenter
    self-funded retiree
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:13PM
  • Bye Bye Ferguson!

    Commenter
    Daniel
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:12PM
  • Team Labor has figured out that there is more than one way to skin the cat called Julia - mass resignation. No Cabinet to lead - no Cabinet Leader. KR can then assume the vindicated position.

    Commenter
    Lawsey
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:11PM
  • Man, the ALP's in a complete shambles. I'm gonna vote Liberal. What are their policies again?

    Commenter
    Colonel de Groot
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:10PM
  • Will Albo go?

    Surely not. No wonder Julia flew out with John in her private jet before the tagging and bagging started.

    Says it all.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:08PM
  • Masterfully played by K-Rudd,

    Why would he want to be the PM when the Labor are going to lose in September anyway. Then he would probably not be Opposition Leader/Future PM.

    So, set up JG and let her re-shuffled her pack, thereby painting targets on their backs and let the Voters extract their revenge on Labor, and JG and her pack in particular, come September.

    Labor decimated, JG and her back-stabbing buddies brutalized, severely wounded Labor Beg K-Rudd to lead them out of the wilderness. K-Rudd Opposition Leader for a few years - everybody has vented their anger at Labor and JG - Tony Abbs will screw it up and K-Rudd will be swept back to PM with no real opposition left in the New Julia and Friends Free Labor Party.

    Brilliant, painful but brilliant.

    Best thing to happen to the Labor Party in Years.

    Commenter
    See Well
    Location
    Voterville
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:07PM
  • Anyone else think Kevin Rudd knifed Simon Crean? No wonder he had that silly grin happening. Revenge is sweet.

    Commenter
    Meg
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:06PM
  • It just goes to show the pressures of minority government exacerbated by not controllng both Houses-- these have been the reason Labor has stuggled this term.
    The minority government has been a fiasco, causing excesive bargaining, compromise and stagnation....and political infighting and madness.

    Commenter
    Bill
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:05PM
  • The writing is on the wall Rudd does not want to be a six month Prime Minister.

    Commenter
    Inspector Rex
    Location
    Modern Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:04PM
  • All the rats are jumping and the so called tough leader (ignoranmus) is slamming the train into the wall. Its one thing to be tough its another to be smart. Obviously Gillard is not very smart at all, as shes single handedly destroyed Labor for generations.

    Commenter
    Sinkwell
    Location
    Adelaide
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:04PM
  • It's difficult to see how a leader could unite a country, when they cannot even unite their own party.

    Any person fit to lead this country should have the skills and support to manage their leadership team.

    Clearly that is not the case here.

    Leaving aside any political or personal preference, it's clear that things must change.

    Either the leadership of the current government needs to go, or the government needs to change.

    Commenter
    Raymond
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:04PM
  • Clive Palmer should call his new super ship the "HMS Labor Party".

    Commenter
    Bemused
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:04PM
  • Time to resign and undermine!

    Commenter
    Opinion Only
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:03PM
  • You can vote them in but cannot sack them out.

    Commenter
    Inspector Rex
    Location
    Modern Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:02PM
  • Why are people acting as though every resignation is an additional problem?
    All of these people have been undermining Gillard for a long time now, Rudd is now done and dusted so their pulling the pin.
    Seems perfectly understandable.

    Commenter
    MTW
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:00PM
  • This all happened because we voted in this government 3 years ago in 2010. Take responsibility for our choices Australia!

    Commenter
    inspector Rex
    Location
    Modern Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:00PM
  • J.Fraser

    Senator Carr makes eight? It looks like Gillardism is in free fall and not before time, eh Slick Abbott?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 4:00PM
    • @Pen of hrba How about a moniker for the slogan man, @J Fraser? Everytime he says 'slick' Abbott, reply, "fool" Fraser. Reckon he will tire of it?

      Commenter
      davidbru
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:43PM
  • Just received a booking for Sept 14. Expecting J. Gillard, currently in Labor, will be delivering 'the mother of all defeats'. Expecting plenty of complications.

    Commenter
    Bottom Line
    Location
    Maternity Ward
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:59PM
  • Reminds me of the Titanic. Not enough life rafts....and the band played on.........

    Commenter
    Frank
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:59PM
  • There was no vote in the ALP caucus yesterday.

    Today, they are voting with their feet.

    Commenter
    Alternate View
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:58PM
  • Fantastic! Ferguson is gone! This environmental and economic vandal deserved to be shoved off the political cliff!
    His "biggest deal in history to sell OUR gas as LNG to the CHinese benefited a few to the great cost of the rest of us!
    Now we pay more for gas and have to rely on destructive coal seam or shale gas!
    At least we see the urgency to move to renewables.
    Good riddance!

    Commenter
    Facts
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:58PM
  • 358pm "He predicts there will be a Royal Commission into unions if Tony Abbott is elected prime minister." OMG, at least there's 1 reason to vote Abbott in that case.

    Commenter
    Dumptheunions
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:58PM
  • Wow, you take the dog for a walk and another one bites the dust. Whose left?

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:57PM
  • Whoooppee both you and I can now stand for the vacant seats in cabinet. Hi Ho Hum.
    All this talk of honour. Humbug.

    Commenter
    inspector Rex
    Location
    Modern Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:55PM
  • Is it still Harmony Day?

    Commenter
    $keptic
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:54PM
    • No this is Retribution Day.

      Its where old Labor comrades get to wish each other well and talk about
      old times. Before being bundled out
      the door with a kick in the pants.

      Its all in good humour though, everyone
      forgives each other (in public).

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:40PM
    • A general election has not been called. Only the date has been announced. It is not "called" until the Governor-General issues the writs and dissolves the Parliament, typically 35 days before election day.

      Commenter
      Mike
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:54PM
    • A general election has not been called. Only the date has been announced. It is not "called" until the Governor-General issues the writs and dissolves the Parliament, typically 35 days before election day.

      Commenter
      Mike
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:54PM
  • How many more dud opinion polls is it going to take for the Labour party to finally realise that Gillard is leading them to an election annihilation. It doesn't matter how fiesty, unflinching, tough Gillard is. It doesn't matter how much work getting done, what new reforms are going through. The public just do no like Gillard.

    Commenter
    davos
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:53PM
    • We CANNOT have an election now. The writs CANNOT be issued before 1 July so the earliest possible election date is 3 August.

      Commenter
      Mike
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:51PM
  • Whoooppee both you and I can now stand for the vacant seats in cabinet. Hi Ho Hum.

    Commenter
    Inspector Rex
    Location
    Modern Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:50PM
  • Who thinks Rudd is going to resign his seat immediately (triggering a by-election) just as one last act of petulance towards his party?

    Commenter
    Simon
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:49PM
    • He might consider it. Seriously, looks who's left just Gillard's union lap dogs.

      Commenter
      luke
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:00PM
    • How about K Rudd announcing a break away Social Democrat Party @ 4.15?

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:00PM
    • He just couldn't do it and stay out of the attention for even one day. He always has to be the door stopper so I'm guessing he is going' For the good of the Labor party he loves'.

      Commenter
      Riverman
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:02PM
    • Or possibly go independent

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:03PM
    • yes please.. i would love to see this happen.

      Commenter
      yes...
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:04PM
    • Have you considered Rudd the next independent?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:12PM
    • Australia is the lucky country but its not that lucky.

      I'm afraid its September or bust for JG.

      In a moment J Fraser will appear to 'explain' that comment.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:12PM
    • They are functioning as half a party now. Not a government in control. Because of the obscure election date - undemocratically 6 months away in the eyes of common sense. People must realise this has gone past the point of no return. Having a PM who "chooses" her cabinet sets the standard of authoritarian of an undemocratic feel. Yes because under her clock so many things that have been so underhanded, the public have lost faith. If she had an election within the last year, this deep trough would not have lasted for so long. Thank goodness for the minority government outcome. It showed labors weaknesses for all to see. I would say to Tony Abbott dont get rid of minority government. No matter how painful, it is necessary. That would be an insult to democracy itself. Don't obstruct the natural laws of nature. We have so much more to gain from healing.

      Commenter
      mmm
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:12PM
    • 8.5% swing required for LNP to take the seat but I imagine the buffer would be reduced making it contestable in an election

      Commenter
      meneka
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:20PM
    • Well I had a 1% chance of being right, hmmm, maybe not that high. Rudd is like the proverbial albatross around Gillard's neck. I guess they are made for each other, bound together in a screeching political mutual death spiral.

      Commenter
      Riverman
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:44PM
  • @Buffman
    Where you at ?

    Commenter
    gman
    Location
    nsw
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:48PM
  • Rudd at 4.15! What's he got to say that his spokesman didn't already say? I hope it's not just the sound of his own voice thing again.

    This is becoming more crazy by the minute. Another day down the gurgler, but it's sort of hideously fascinating watching all these skittles fall one by one, while Julia sails serenely and victoriously on, oblivious to the possible implications.

    Commenter
    Riverman
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:46PM
  • Undertaker's have seen less blood-letting than this.

    Commenter
    brian
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:46PM
    • Actually, undertakers see very little blood. Once they get the body the blood has drained or rigor mortis has set in and passed.

      So brian, instead of addressing what the Liberal policies are, you come up with a totally incompetent analogy. I suspect that even the Abbott parrot club did not even come up with that.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:20PM
    • WW, I have no doubt the full LNP policy suite will be revealed during the election campaign proper and after the state of the coffers is known (even Swanny doesn't really know how bad it is), assuming the PM can get her crumbling house in order. Even you would have to concede it would be political lunacy for Abbott to even discuss policy while Labor is tearing itself apart.

      Commenter
      brian
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:34PM
    • Whyalla, and you come to the party with a negative attack just to demonstrate that you too are focused on policy.
      I've got to hand it to you rusted on Labor supporters, you have more front than a mack truck (another key analogy there). How you can watch this pigs to the slaughter show and tell us to focus on opposition policy is truly beyond me. Where is the government policy in all of this resignation? Will there be any of them left to actually govern and carry out any of your valued policies?

      Commenter
      KB
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:38PM
  • Where is Shorten in all this? A: Keeping quite sharpening his knives watching his party members commit political suicide. Watch him make a run for ALP leadership after the fall-out of September's election.

    Bill, I just enrolled, im in your electorate and you are the last preferance on my ballot paper, just one place below the Greens candidate. Lucky for you, you have a safe ALP seat

    Commenter
    Brendo
    Location
    Vic
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:46PM
  • K Rudd's plan is working to perfection.

    Yesterday was just another step in his total and utter humiliation of the ALP and it's union-driven machine.

    Revenge, not retribution is what this is about.

    Of course he doesn't want to lead the Labor Party as it is now. But what happens after the election when the union power is gone?

    That will be part II of the plan.

    Commenter
    Alternate View
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:44PM
    • I think it is Gillard's plan to get Abbott in the office. She must repay mining companies who helped her into PM's chair.

      As to Rudd - who wants to work with venomous snake around your neck? He is right to demand that Julia resigns from politics. Otherwise - there is no point to keep Labor party around.

      Commenter
      dinkumnet
      Location
      dinkumnet.com
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:02PM
    • It is a bit like the pied piper of hamlin leading all the rats out of the ranks. They could all go and set up their own party - the White Ant Party.
      It will be fantastic watching parliament without all these traitors sitting on the back bench or gone.
      As for Martin Ferguson, well he has done nothing in my electorate. I wrote to chastise him about this and the response was to be welcomed to his newsletter, which I have just forwarded back to him. Good riddance!
      An exciting new Labor on the rise!

      Commenter
      Mibs
      Location
      Clifton Hill
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:09PM
    • Rudd hasn't destroyed the Labor Party that honour belongs to Julia Gillard.

      Rudd took the Labor party from electoral oblivion to a sweeping victory ousting the 1950's thinking Howard Gov't from office.

      Gillard's grab for power by dumping a first term sitting Prime Minister was a power play that has damaged the Labor brand and it's traditional values sending the party back to political oblivion.

      Gillard has duplicated the Howard Gov't's position on human human rights for refugees and same sex Australians and continued gov't funding to over resourced private schools not to mention aligning herself with the Christian lobby.

      The electorate's dislike of Abbott is the only reason Gillard scraped in with help from the independents and now her popularity rating is lower than Abbott's.
      Julia Gillard is far from being a progressive reformer.

      Leadership is a process of influencing events in a way that advances our society-She has failed this leadership.

      Commenter
      George
      Location
      East Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:47PM
  • I find it incredible that Julia Gillard and her supporters believe they can act within a vacuum. Anything can be changed or done without the slightest bit of consideration for the views of the wider community. We must be all fools in their eyes. The labor caucus has made a decision however not the the right one. The wider community support Kevin Rudd to be Prime Minister. Lets not forget he was elected by the people, and Labor caucus removed him. The Labor Party is intent on being banished for a very long period of time. I agree with Tony Abbott now, it is best for the people to decided sooner rather than later.

    Commenter
    Curtin
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:42PM
    • Actually Curtin, the people did not elect Kevin Rudd as prime minister. That is the responsibility of the party.

      Commenter
      Baraqyal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:57PM
    • There's been an election since then. It's a long time since Rudd was turfed.

      An election so close only because of a disgraceful and dishonest scare campaign on the mining tax, with big business dollars trying to buy an election for the Coalition and the media failing to be the "gatekeeper" for the ridiculous armageddon claims being made by the miners. A situation we saw repeated with the carbon tax situation.

      Gillard's managed to achieve a lot despite dealing with minority government, hostility from the media and certain billionaires, and astonishingly selfishness from the Rudd supporters (compare it to how Malcolm Turnbull has behaved). I don't like all her policies, but she's way tougher than the likes of Beazley and gets stuff done unlike Abbott who only destroys.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:08PM
  • so is Albo waiting in the wings for the 4.30 presser?

    Commenter
    billyboy
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:41PM
  • Ahhh Australian Politics, nothing but fluf. I don't think we need an election anymore, Abbott might as well start as a PM monday morning.

    Commenter
    Howie
    Location
    Melb
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:40PM
    • Abbott Pm by Monday - what a horrendous thought!

      Commenter
      fitzie of kogarah
      Location
      kogarah
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:32PM
  • Today is an interesting development and post script to yesterday's high drama.

    One by one, the only talented MPs who are present in the Government are resigning their ministries and positions. Clearly they know now that all they can do is return to their electorates and wait for the hammer to fall.

    The result is, of course, a major cabinet reshuffle only 6 months (or possibly less) from an election. What a terrible waste of energy and human resources.

    Paul Howes really has a lot to answer for.

    Commenter
    Alternate View
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:40PM
  • Good to see all this dead wood going.
    Looking forward to some new blood in the cabinet instead of on the party room floor.

    Commenter
    Packyman
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:39PM
  • How does that "song go ; "bring in the clowns ?"
    Or perhaps;
    "who let the dogs out ? would be more suitable.

    Commenter
    Grazzer
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:38PM
    • Gillard could sing
      "it's my party and I will cry if I want to"

      Commenter
      funny
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:13PM
  • Well they've done it again. The Liberals have just had to sit back and do nothing. If there was any lingering hope of Labour getting in it has been destroyed by the good old Labour Party - it makes you ashamed to be a Socialist

    Commenter
    jim
    Location
    melboune
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:37PM
    • Jim, you mean you're not ashamed anyway?

      Commenter
      Rob
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:09PM
  • I find it incredible that Julia Gillard and her supporters believe they can act within a vacuum. Anything can be changed or done without the slightest bit of consideration for the views of the wider community. We must be all fools in their eyes. The labor caucus has made a decision however not the the right one. The wider community support Kevin Rudd to be Prime Minister. Lets not forget he was elected by the people, and Labor caucus removed him. The Labor Party is intent on being banished for a very long period of time. I agree with Tony Abbott now, it is best for the people to decided sooner rather than later.

    Commenter
    Curtin
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:37PM
  • The first Carr to go, hopefully followed shortly after by another. Some dynamite needed on the second one, he is having an attack of circumstantail amnesia.

    Commenter
    Riverman
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:35PM
  • The one and only person to be vilified in this whole sorry mess is Kevin Rudd. He orchestrated the backgrounding of the sycpohantic media and he used his collegues for his own end and then left them swinging in the breeze. Now good people in Bowen, Crean & Ferguson are gone and the viper Rudd stays and portrays himself as honourable because "I won't challenge". A vile egonomaniac whose ultimate insult to the party that embraced him over 20 years ago is to make sure Tony Abbott becomes PM. There can be no better illustration of how devious, callous and hatefilled this man of no principle is than to want the Conservatives to win rather than his own party.

    Commenter
    Shano
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:34PM
    • Exactly !!! But I'm starting to look at this as a great opportunity. There are a lot of very talented people in the Labor party, it will be great to have them replace some of the cowardly dinosaurs :)

      Commenter
      DIDI K
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:22PM
    • What a load of unreflective BS. Rudd has his faults but had Gillard in her hubris not created the mess in the first place, Labour would have reigned for a decade or more. She is the one that history will turn. She couldn't even win the 2010 election, which Rudd would have romped home. The time there will be oblivion at our loss

      Commenter
      Gerwin
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:32PM
  • Even Ferguson acknowledges that the class warfare engaged in by Labor is taking them on a road to nowhere.

    Commenter
    yys
    Location
    Labor:We're on a Road to Nowhere
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:33PM
    • Ironically started by Rudd. Remember the Mining Super Profits Tax?

      Commenter
      Simon
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:47PM
    • nope Swan screwed up the rspt... Rudd just defended Swan and took the blame as a honourable leader does.

      Commenter
      A Bodhi Nuisance
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:11PM
    • Isn't it Swan who identifies with Bruce Springsteen in whom he sees profound lyrical support for class warfare?
      There are better lyricists to base a political philosophy upon.

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:34PM
  • Rats deserting a sinking ship comes to mind.

    Commenter
    adrian
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:33PM
  • News Flash, from back to the future news.

    A ship containing the Labor Party caucus was reported sunk on 14 September 2013. Only a few survivors were found.

    When one of the few survivors, a person named Rudd was asked why most of the others did not use the life raft, the response was, we were assured by our brave captain and her loyal crew, we would get the promised land and because of that, a life raft was not required. Besides he added, as it happened, I was on roster to captain the life raft to safety, upon the shores of the promised land.

    RIP ALP

    Commenter
    Davo
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:32PM
  • YEs, majority of australian are caught up in the 'spin', and being 'duped' by labour machinery. the key thing to remember is labour leadership are not here to deliver services and produce results. That is why we have a lot of projects and iniatives, but most of total failures and waste of money. None of them are looking to serve long terms , as they intend to quit long before the cascade become 'stench'. Look at NSW labour, and now Federal government,. the signs are all there, if you bother to look !!

    Commenter
    amb123
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:30PM
  • Great chance for a major reshuffle and giving some new and old faces a chance to shine.
    What about Laure Brereton for example?
    Change the face of your Cabinet Julia.
    Time for renewal.

    Commenter
    Richard Jones
    Location
    Possum Creek
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:30PM
  • How could any person trust Rudd ever again. He has left his mates to swing whilst he hides like the wimp that he is. The Milky Bar kid suits him to a "T" One gutless politician.

    Commenter
    Peter McNeil
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:29PM
    • We may get lucky and he will shortly announce his resignation from his seat. Here's hoping.

      Commenter
      Riverman
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:52PM
    • you want him to break his word and contest a close leadership ballot?

      He knew that an unopposed victory was the only way to heal the party. The victory couldn't be his so he bowed out gracefully... nothing wrong with that.

      Commenter
      A Bodhi Nuisance
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:15PM
  • The best chance for Labor was to install Kevin Rudd yesterday. They didn't and now they will lose big time at the next election. It's going to be an absolute bloodbath. I hope those who did what the AWU and SDA told them to do find gainful employment for themselves in September.

    Commenter
    David
    Location
    Fletcher
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:28PM
  • From all the asylum seekers boarding right now, we say to the Labor Party ' we want a refund'

    Commenter
    Yusuf
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:27PM
  • I really don't care about how many non-challenges it takes for Rudd to takeover. Anything that will stop the implement of the big miners and banks, one Mr Abbot, getting into the Lodge, will make me happy.

    Commenter
    Catch 22
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:25PM
  • No this is just getting rid of all the people that have been dragging her down.
    Personally I feel like throwing a party about Martin Ferguson. Haha!
    This is a wonderful opportunity to get some new blood into the Labor ministry, you know ,people who believe in things like climate change.

    I am sorry about Simon Crean, he has served Australia well over the years!!

    Commenter
    DIDI K
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:24PM
    • Gillard isn't sacking people... they are distancing themselves from her leadership in a show of no confidence.

      Commenter
      A Bodhi Nuisance
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:12PM
    • I didn't say she was sacking people, the rats are leaving :)

      Commenter
      DIDI K
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:26PM
  • Nonplussed as to why Ferguson is re-contesting the next election (as against retiring at it). Hes got 3 years of Gillard or Abbott.

    Theres a challenge for the Press Gallery to answer.

    Commenter
    Simon
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:22PM
  • When you govern with divisiveness, intimidation and blatent aggression like Gillard does eventually people will walk away. She continues to take on the hard working middle class, inflicting them with higher taxes and reduced benefits and has unsuccessfully tried to pit females vs males which does nothing but lower people's expectations of our great country. If she had first hand experience of being in a family with children with two working parents she would appreciate it's about teamwork and a partnership not breaking people. Her alternative union with her freeloading partner exemplifies her disdain for the great Australian dream - family.

    Commenter
    TakeawalkJulia
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:20PM
    • Dear "takeawalk": there are MANY varieties of "family" these days; your criticism of the PM's governing "style" is perfectly acceptable but your criticism of her private life is undignified at best and odious at worst (& maybe better not published??). Anyway, if you'd bothered to listen or read the PM's speech to the victims of forced adoptions yesterday you'd realsie that she has a very good understanding of "family".

      Commenter
      djpoh
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:08PM
  • I'm not a Julia fan but do find humorous all the Liberal trolls gloating here.

    I distinctly recall the LNP also went through something very similar a few years ago.

    Prior to the 2007 election, John Howard was told by members to step down and let Costello lead but Costello didn't have the balls to challenge the snivelling lying rodent. When Howard lost the election AND his own seat, Costello automatically became Oppostion Leader and he lasted a few minutes. Remember he was so pissed that he took his bat and ball and sooked home. Nelson then lasted a few months and then Turnbull and now Abbort. That's 5 leaders in just over 5 years. The ALP on the other hand have had just 2 leaders in the same time period.

    So all the LNP trolls gloating right now - sure you'll win the 2013 election but Australians will soon realise what a colossal mistake they made and he'll be out before the 2016 election.

    People are not going to be too happy when Abbort brings back Workchoices, increases the GST, slashes the pension and other welfare payments and increases income taxes on the middle class to compensate the billionaire miners and big polluters.

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    Commenter
    Bette Streep
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:19PM
  • Mayday, mayday, mayday.....we've hit another Rudd-berg and we're going down! Just send 4 life jackets....everyone else is swimming for their lives.

    Commenter
    Bottom Line
    Location
    HMAS Gillard
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:19PM
  • Wow. All those comments about a strong leader Gillard is and how much support she has after the vote... Does she even have a front bench left? The party is obviously divided, the recent resignations prove that as a fact. Not to mention the Australian public prefer Rudd as Labour Leader to her speaks volume for her popularity

    Commenter
    Alex
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:18PM
  • At the end of the day loyalty is required... whether you like the way the PM handles things or not, when a member of a party, loyalty is the most important thing! Those who have been disloyal need to step out of the Cabinet because they are untrustworthy.... loyalty and trustworthiness are two of things that has made the Australian people unique - sadly greed and power has gradually become the two things that seem to be guiding us, fantastic examples for our next generations to adhere I don't think. The PM should be able to have a Cabinet she can rely on and know that once a decision has been made in Caucus then all Ministers support that decision. It's good to see a big overall currently taking place.

    Commenter
    Unreal
    Location
    Perth
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:17PM
  • I notice none have been asked any questions about the influence of McTiernan.

    Commenter
    Puzzled
    Location
    jktjeme
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:16PM
  • For those who spell 'Labor' as 'Labour', with reference to the ALP, please remember there is no 'U' in 'Labor'... there is no 'you' in 'Labor'... it's all just about 'Labor'..

    Commenter
    Mackay
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:15PM
  • This government cannot afford to lose Martin Ferguson from cabinet as well he was without doubt the cabinets best minister and steady hand. With the loss of Crean and Bowen both very capable ministers the cabinet will be replaced by people based on sycophancy to Gillard rather than talent.

    Commenter
    notbothered
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:15PM
  • There is a vast number of voters who want to vote Labor but have stopped listening to Julia. In return the Labor party has stopped listening to the voters and so clings to the one leader who will deliver the worst possible result. The irony is that Tony is almost as unelectable as Julia but will win in a landslide. I hold the Labor caucas accountable for giving the country Abbott as PM. I dont know how they can live with themselves.

    Commenter
    Adam
    Location
    Qld
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:14PM
  • And the blood keeps flowing in the ALP, and the party-room floor gets more and more "slick"...

    Commenter
    Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:12PM
  • Julia's outgoing front bench keep dwelling on the honour of their resignation's. Albo, Butler and other Ruddites should take note.

    Commenter
    brian
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:09PM
    • brian, the real issue is what the competing policies are.

      What are Abbott's policies and what are Labor's policies for the next three years? The public will need to decide.

      In the May Budget, the Government will set out its program for the next four years and how it proposes to pay for it?

      Abbott proposes to release his policies and costings on September 12. Why is nobody demanding an earlier look so that both can be compared?

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:18PM
    • WW:
      1. Are you asking me if the government will outline how it will fund its policies in the May budget? I seriously hope so.
      2. Please produce evidence that "Abbott proposes to release his policies and costings on September 12". He has undertaken to release it well ahead of polling day which, to my mind, means over the duration of the campaign.

      Commenter
      brian
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:55PM
    • Great comment particularly that you mention Albo, the head kicking Rudd supporting party manager of business who is good at avoiding anything to do with his portfolio.

      I can't help thinking Albo is the route cause for most of Labors problems, he is a bit of a fraud when speaking for the Government, "worked all my life for the Labor cause," (not his constituents) but doesn't support the current Prime Minister in preference to Rudd.. who doesn't want to be PM. Probably time the media look a bit deeper into why Albo is so important for Labor? He should go to the back bench as well if the party want a fresh start, make Julia minister for everything and Conroy support minister for everything, Bill Shorten, in support of the support ministers for almost everything, providing he learns to remember what his PM said... chuckle

      Australian politics is a laughing stock caused by an over supply of dim whited talented lawyers who have found their way to Canberra.
      I hope everyone will remember this next time Gillard who over uses the word "reform" for the sake of reform (wake up media) wants to introduce another badly thought out piece of legislation.

      Australia deserves better.. and a lot less lawyers running the show on both sides, parasites bleeding the system dry... We need an election now, it's a shambles.

      Commenter
      timjackelton
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:24PM
  • To those who think this was all a stunt by Crean, Ruddnd Co., to damage Gillard terminally while not challenging, I think that has merit.

    Anyone who saw Question Time in the Reps yesterday, and the expression on Julia Gillard's face when sing and listening to Tony Abbott's motion for the suspension of standing orders, would know that at least the PM was not in on it.

    I cannot for the life of meunderstand why the special caucus spill would be called and Rudd not nominate - unless he wants the Party to beg him to stand despite his pledge after the previous failure?

    Can we expect St Kevin to come out (so to speak) sometime between now and September and say 'I kept to my pledge but it is now in the interests of the country and the Party that I put aside personal considerations...'?

    Would they really be that split and are things in the caucus really that toxic?

    Was it just a ruse to puncture the bloated hysteria of the media about an 'imminent challenge'?

    If so, it will go down as one of the most ill-judged and poorly executed intrigues since the Bronze Age.

    Perhaps a new series of Ms Crabbe's Kitchen Cabinet might throw some light on it all?

    Commenter
    Hans von Schlappenplanker
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:09PM
    • You are completely missing pertinence.

      1: Rudd had previously stated he would not stand.

      2: Two days ago Crean vowed his support for Gillard.

      3: Yesterday Crean supported Rudd.

      4 Last year, Crean insisted Rudd be sacked.

      5: Logical analysis dictates that the entire spill of yesterday was nothing than an orchestrated farce to stall leadership speculation undermining Gillard's leadership.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:23PM
    • Because Rudd's going to make those ratf*ckers beg for him to come back - this has all the hallmarks of the broken little boy from the Sunshine Coast seeking his revenge on all those who have wronged him played out large on the stage for us all to see...

      Commenter
      Mikka
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:25PM
    • or you can take it differently. K Rudd wouldn't have won if he had nominated as he didn't have the numbers. if it he had lost closely though, it would have been very damaging to the PM and who would benefit from that but the Libs.

      so rather than being faced with that scenario, K Rudd was right to demand that either he gets the majority or not challenge at all.

      Commenter
      whatever
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:02PM
  • The problem is Mr Ferguson that the labour party seems so split and in pieces that the normal Australian just sees fighting like cats and dogs. With the senior members now going to the back benches what are we left with. A bunch of self scented arrogant people only interested in themselves. I believe this is not the end of this and labour will implode before the election

    Commenter
    EDU IT
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:09PM
    • What grim prospects.

      Abbott wrecking the place and no opposition.

      NSW, QLD and Federal here it comes.

      Somebody said lightning never strikes twice.

      When the place will have been hit thrice i think its best to move.

      Where is the exit?

      Bugger, Sydney has no second airport and Mascot is already choka block.

      will have to swim to Christmas island and take one of those boat on their return journey to Indonesia. There are airport that are not crammed full with Australians.

      Commenter
      flower power
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:30PM
    • Well, if they're all self-scented, at least the front bench will smell nice in the meantime.

      Commenter
      Chest burster
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:31PM
    • The Labor front bench now are in fact mostly solicitors and unionists-not the old fashioned union people either. I don't think any of them ever lived in the real world. They are so delusional, it's beyond belief.

      Yesterday, Craig Emerson when interviewed by Leigh Sales on ABC, he insisted the polls doesn't mean anything and Labor will win the election. Who is he kidding? I'm a Labor voter all my life and I voted Greens in the last election, I'll vote for Liberal this time. It tears me apart but I don't want to see Julia and her backers in the office anymore. It makes me so angry to see or worse still, to hear her. She has totally destroyed the Labor Party.

      Commenter
      Not amused
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:44PM
    • To Chest burster sorry about the spelling, But do you really think they would smell any better with all the crap that's being thrown everywhere To Not amused, hey I live in Harry Jenkins Member for Scullin. Do you think that this electorate was not pissed when he was replaced with that whatever Peter Slipper. I can tell you that most here hate labour for that.

      Commenter
      EDU IT
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:27PM
    • @EDU IT: No need to apologise, I knew what you meant. Just made me smile on a lousy Friday afternoon because I thought it was rather apt (everyone flinging cr@p around but still pretending they smell of roses).

      And I think they ALL stink in Canberra, regardless of political affiliation. Now trying to decide if the current situation is more like Animal House or Animal Farm...

      Commenter
      Chest burster
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:53PM
  • And Ferguson was one of the only sane ones left in the Labor Party ...

    Commenter
    AdamC
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:08PM
  • "In my entire career in government, I've never seen anything like it," Dr Napthine says

    He must have been in a coma when Big Ted got the axe in the back and then suddenly woke up to find he was premier with an urge to sack the police minister and treasurer.

    Commenter
    Ted
    Location
    Lazarusville
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:06PM
  • Interesting to note that not one of the Labor Party members who supported Rudd have resigned from their seats or the Labour Party. That would mean the government would not hold a majority, even with the support of the independents. That would be cause for an immediate election.

    Commenter
    kingly
    Location
    BrisVegas
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:06PM
  • Abandon ship!

    Commenter
    Bottom Line
    Location
    HMAS Gillard
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:06PM
    • Cryogentic iceberg dead ahead!

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:36PM
    • See, I knew you couldn't explain it.

      And never will, I guess a man has
      got to know his limits.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:04PM
    • See, I knew you couldn't explain it.

      And never will, I guess a man has
      got to know his limits.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:04PM
  • Unfortunately another Labor man who was there for the team has stood down unlike the backstabbers who have stayed. Interesting to say they lost their way when they started playing a class war.

    Commenter
    dj
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:02PM
    • The class war has been instigated by Gillard, Cameron, Conroy and McTernan - all imports from Britain bearing the British labor disease. Time for them all to go.

      Commenter
      Emmie
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:30PM
    • In this case, dj, the back stabbers were Rudd and his supporters who have been undermining the PM and the government in a dummy spit only rivalled by Abbott et al. The facts are that Gillard took on the leadership because of Rudd's manifest failings as a leader, allowed him to stay on in Cabinet to preserve what was left of his dignity, then had to deal with his leaking and white anting, including an attempt to sabotage the 2010 election. When he challenged in 2012, many in Cabinet felt it was time to be truthful about just what a disaster he had been as a leader--in other words why the majority of caucus (every single one of them with a face, by the way) had supported his ousting. So the majority of caucus told him, again, they didn't want him. He and his supporters continued leaking, white anting and fomenting dissent, but he still can't get the numbers. Doesn't that tell you something about the man? And the PM will go to the election with a clear majority of caucus behind her, while Abbott will go with half his team preferring Turnbull.

      Commenter
      Vonno
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:39PM
    • Vonno, so it is ok one way but not the other. Obviously with a lot of those that deposed him in the first place couldn't hack the pace of being in a new government. There can't have been too much wrong with him as Julia supported him up until the very last minute and it was only because her fellow members wanted to get rid of him did she do anything. Sounded like she waas happy with the job he was doing at the time or was it just another case of two-faced Julia.

      Commenter
      dj
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:53PM
    • Emmie, Gillard was two years old when she came here - perhaps you're being a tad hysterical

      Commenter
      mattoxic
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:06PM
  • As i said before why would Rudd want the top job when he knows Labour will be comprehensively defeated in September, he will wait to be called upon after the dust setteles to try and regain some sense of stability and lead them on to defeat himself!!!

    Commenter
    casper
    Location
    sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 3:02PM
  • Ambassador Crean. It's got a nice ring to it hasn't it.

    Commenter
    Love from julia
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:59PM
    • probably got a decent chance of getting that post from Tony as a thank you for ruling Rudd out of the leadership race

      Commenter
      A Bodhi Nuisance
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:14PM
  • Julia Gillard has told us repeatedly that the best people were in her cabinet. One by one they are falling on their swords. Why? Because they don't/didn't support her. If they didn't think she had what it takes yesterday, they will be thinking the same thing today.

    So what happens now? We get the second best people in the cabinet, the people who were not selected last time because they were not the best people for the job. Meanwhile the best people move to the back benches to mutter and stew.

    This is no recipe for a new start. The dissatisfied are still there but now they are smarting from their wounds.

    This is a tragedy for the Australian people who can do nothing but sit back and watch the internal combustion of the Labor Party.

    Commenter
    patriciabuon
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:59PM
    • Julia Gillard will say she has the best people possible from our very shallow talent pool that is the ALP as she announces the new Cabinet line up.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:56PM
  • I couldnt believe yesterday...As if Kevin Rudd would take the helm of the Titanic after it had hit the Iceberg...why would he want to lead a team to absolute demise.The only Australian thing to do Julia is cop it on the chin and turn it over to the Australian public ...We need an election now...The people now need a say...

    Commenter
    Paulp
    Location
    Ringwood
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:59PM
    • We CANNOT have an election now. The writs CANNOT be issued before 1 July so the earliest possible election date is 3 August.

      Commenter
      Mike
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:51PM
  • To Profila, you are right on the nose with your comment keep it up.

    Commenter
    EDU IT
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:59PM
  • I notice that its all the middle age boys club resigning. A good day for the equal respect of women.

    Commenter
    Rachael
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:58PM
    • Janelle Safin is not a middle-aged men. Many women in the caucus supported Kevin.

      Commenter
      Jonathan
      Location
      Shanghai
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:26PM
  • Now it is just a matter of time until Labor get annihilated on September.

    Commenter
    The sky is the limit
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:58PM
  • Personally, I feel sorry for "Slick" J. Fraser. He spends his life commenting on all articles, disseminating his views as gospel, and throwing quotation marks wherever he pleases.

    Come September 14 it won't make a difference. He'll be crushed.

    Commenter
    D. Brendan
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:57PM
    • Just to make you happy,"he who laughs last laughs loudest;!!
      Go Julia.

      Commenter
      jack long17
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:38PM
    • Yep,, his crew are so 'slick' they've once again managed to create a debacle out of thin air...Tony is looking 'slicker' by the hour...
      Must have been a lot of banana peels on the floor of the ALP caucus room...

      Commenter
      Tailgunner
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:43PM
  • Chris Bowen, Ed Husic, Janelle Saffin, Richard Marles, Fitzgibbon has indicated he will also resign. Gillard has supposedly sacked Crean and now Ferguson makes seven.

    If these acts of no confidence in Gillardism do not trigger the independents to go for an election I don't know what will. Anyone with an ounce of integrity could not continue to support Gillard. For God's sake guys it is over, have the balls to face it.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:56PM
    • Hoorah! At last we get rid of the minister for 'dig it up and ship it out'. About time.

      Commenter
      accent
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:07PM
    • Of that list only Ferguson and Crean are worth anything, and to honest they were growing old (and to support Rudd, your judgement must be going.)

      The rest are non-entities or worse than useless (Fitzgibbon and Husic especially)

      Commenter
      Simon
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:13PM
    • pen, the acts of 'no confidence' were in cowardly backgrounding to journalists, who were played like dummies. Now the backgrounders are gone the Government can concentrate on getting its policies before the public eye.

      So how about a discussion of policies? What are the Liberal policies? What will they cost the community?

      The truth is that who leads Labor or the Liberals are far less important than the decisions their parties will make about Australia's future and yet all we hear is personality stuff.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:21PM
    • I really do not think mentioning 'triggers' in relation to the independents, especially Bob Katter, is advisable - given that he has a nice pair of vintage firearms hanging in his hallway.

      However, given all the proverbial that is flying at present, the collection of toilet rolls that (Tony Windsor let slip) Bob has stashed in his leather satchel might come in handy.

      I guess that is why they never installed ceiling fans in the new House of Reps, so nothing could ever hit them...

      Commenter
      Hans von Schlappenplanker
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:29PM
    • agreed - what EXACTLY does it take for the GG to step in and say enough is enough! What does it take for the independents to put the good of the country before their own individual interests and call no confidence, and a new snap federal election. We have senior people in the government simply falling like dominos including ministers one after the other for gods sake. On what single parameter is any of this allowed to continue. Why IS the GG so silent on this? Why are no media asking for her opinions on all this insanity? Why have we not seen a courageous media person ask her the direct question.... is she going to do anything about this?

      Commenter
      eyeswideopen
      Location
      earth
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:30PM
    • totally disagree; with the de-stabilisers now all on the backbench Gillard finally has a front bench fully on her side to formulate and articulate policy and she has just 180 days to do it (& indeed the Opposition to prove it has credible alternatives - given Abbott's past policy flip-flops I for one want to KNOW what alternatives I might be voting for. AND let's just hope the media is up to the challenge of objectively reporting policy rather than gossip (PLEEEASE!!?).

      Commenter
      djpoh
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:32PM
    • accent

      You won't get n argument from me on that score. Australia produced 128.7 million tonnes in extra emissions through coal production alone this year alone.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:57PM
    • 'what EXACTLY does it take for the GG to step in and say enough is enough'

      Eyesgluedshut, if you got your information from the Australian Constitution, you would know the answer. The problem is that you get all your information on an intravenous feed from the Liberal Party Lies club.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:03PM
  • Rudd's got nothing to say.

    He should take lessons from "Slick" Abbott or Anthony Mundine ... "we wus robbed".

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:55PM
    • J. Fraser - good to see your heroes of yesterday are the villians of today. Just another example of what is wrong with the Labor Party - happy to eat your own if they don't serve your purpose today. Looks like "Slick" will need to cut his Cabinet in half to match the rabble that will be left in JG's.

      Commenter
      dj
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:10PM
    • If Abbott was robbed it will have all been worth it come September when Labor is smashed into oblivion.

      Commenter
      Rob
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:15PM
    • what is the point of your comment J. Fraser? Labor is impoding and while there is no doubt they will recover, when is the moot point. When they have your intellectual input, the process may take a few more years!!

      Nobody could foresee this Labor government doing what no other government in Australia has ever done before - it is breaktakingly unique in the annals of politics

      Commenter
      James
      Location
      Ardill
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:15PM
    • J 'Clueless' Fraser is at it again.

      Commenter
      John Halen
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:49PM
    • Ah people - Fraser is just a Labor Troll. Read his messages, they never answer a question, uses flippint fiction, and bestows the same lonesome messages each time.
      How long have you been on the labor payroll Fraser?

      Commenter
      Aussie Jim
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:59PM
  • Geez the number of senior & other ALP MPs jumping over the rail of the SS Gillard is becoming a steady stream. At this rate, the janitor outside Darling Jools' bridge is going to get a gong as an ALP government minister - (he might do a better job too!!). Yesterday was Harmony Day - is to-day Resignation Day?

    Commenter
    Smack
    Location
    City of the Fallen
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:53PM
  • Martin Ferguson's biggest regret is the Beazley was never PM. Yet Ferguson was going to vote for Rudd who chopped Kimbo off at the knees way back when.

    Commenter
    Julie
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:52PM
    • He is simply saying many true ALP and for that matter many Liberal supporters would say. The Country and the ALP if Beazley was PM and not Rudd/Gillard there would have been no class warfare as he and Crean pointed out. The ALP would have been run more along the lines of Hawke/Keating model not this far left robin hood, us versus them, debt ridden ecoonomy splashing out handouts on borrowed money with no plan to pay it back.
      It is hard to think of one group in society that this ALP has not seriously peed off from single mothers, people with PHI, people's supa, businesses the list just goes on.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:36PM
  • This labor party shambles is like watching your favourite footy team where only half the players on the team will pass the ball to each other. While the rest refuse to get involved and actually support the opposition.

    Commenter
    Luke
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:52PM
  • Is the ALP going to foot the massive bill that will now ensue as a bunch of new ministers have to get across their portfolios, which probably involves undoing whatever their predecessor was doing, all for someone's political ambition?

    Commenter
    David
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:52PM
  • If Gillard is really as strong as she promotes herself to be then she will sack Bob Carr immediately. Clearly he backed KRudd. Mr Carr is in politics for himself only. He could not give two hoots about serving the people of Australia

    Commenter
    Adam
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:51PM
  • Ferguson gone...they are abandoning ship en masse...the front bench will be unrecognisable come the election. 2 constants will remain...dumb and dumber...Gillard and Swan.

    Commenter
    Luke
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:50PM
    • How would you call abbott / hockey ?
      powerhungry / can't count ..
      Whatever the ALP is doing .. they had great changes for the whole country ... Mr. Abbott just works for the the better off... just wait and see ....

      Commenter
      very sorry
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:53PM
  • "Don't be buffetted by other people's opinions."

    Unless his name is John McTernan.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:50PM
  • Ferguson and Crean ... 2 peas in the same eggshell.

    They deserve Rudd .... all to themselves.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:49PM
  • When is Emerson going to give us another Whyalla Wipeout rendition? Surely this clown like performance was needed yesterday to lighten the mood in Camp Labor.
    When is J Fraser going to troll some

    Commenter
    Luke
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:46PM
    • Can't anyone in the "Slick" Abbott squad dance or sing.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:07PM
    • Come on J Fraser surely you could take over the Whyalla Wipeout mantle from Emerson once hes rendered unemployed at the next election.
      Whyalla might not be wiped out, by labor sure will be.

      Commenter
      Luke
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:19PM
  • Kevin says "never ever" about leading the ALP again.

    That's what Howard said about the GST.

    Commenter
    The Banker
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:44PM
    • Indeed, but Howard lied all the time.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:15PM
  • Its very interesting to see Bob Carr ducking and weaving the accusations of disloyalty to Gillard. He is one of the "Kings of Spin", a trait he brought from his NSW Labor days. He must be supremely delighted that Rudd is now out of the way. He can seek to fulfill his own leadership ambitions

    Commenter
    James
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:43PM
    • Gillard has no choice but to fire him if he won't do the decent thing, as he clearly won't. Otherwise she undoes all her strong woman image she has so assidiously worked on and trumpeted recently.

      Commenter
      Riverman
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:32PM
    • I agree James and Riverman

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:53PM
    • Bob Carr's supposed support for Rudd is as yet only to be found in the allegations of a journalist & a Rudd "bean-counter" & BOTH of these sources have proved to be particularly UNreliable in the last couple of days. It may well be proved to be true but the Jury as yet is still out.......

      Commenter
      djpoh
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:41PM
    • And what are your sources for saying that Carr didn't support Gillard? Peter Hartcher, Conservative Liberal stooge?

      Commenter
      Drew
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:42PM
  • Has feminism really resorted to hiding a woman's incompetence behind her gender? Gilliard is a failure who has been unwanted by the Australian public from day 1 of her leadership.... her sex has no part to play in this. Her poor leadership has condemned her not her gender

    Commenter
    Camomatic
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:42PM
    • How is she a poor leader....she has been endorsed as the leader twice now and has been an excellent Australian leader under a minority govt with some pretty crazy agendas put to her by the independents. I wonder how Tony would have responded to the demand for an emissions trading scheme?

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:05PM
  • Umm, Politicians are paid to run the country.
    Why is this taking place during business hours.
    Should politicians in parliment that are not actually working on running the country and are wasting our time on party politics have their salary docked? Wouldn't happen in any other business.
    Wouldnt

    Commenter
    Hmmm
    Location
    Melb
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:39PM
    • Parliament isn't sitting dolt

      Commenter
      rod steiger
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:08PM
    • Rod Steiger based on your comments you think they are only paid to run the country when parliment is sitting?, Dumbo.
      What planet are you from Labor stooge.

      Commenter
      Hmmm
      Location
      Melb
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:34PM
  • Julia Gillard remains leader of the Labor party at the behest of the Labor carcass (or whats left after the election).

    Commenter
    af612
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:38PM
  • ''With the fiasco that was instigated yesterday by some of my colleagues, unfortunately, those who don't feel that they have all the confidence necessary in Julia Gillard as leader, I think it is time that they have a look at themselves.'' - Greg Combet. I wonder if he has had a good look at himself in the past - oops doesn't matter he is a "faceless" man..

    Commenter
    dj
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:38PM
  • Lovely pic of James P. and Tony A. congratulating themselves on the weeks work. And Julie is so smilingly subservient to Mr. P too. Yes things are all headed in the right direction to open the floodgates for the big boys.

    Commenter
    Gj
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:37PM
  • I have always been able to dump on the Labor politicians that I though were pretty much useless.

    The "Slick" Abbott cheer squad have never been able to do that because the must believe the whole squad is godlike ... how frightening is that.

    @Dr and A country gal .... another example of differing usage of the "Slick" Abbott terminology.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:36PM
    • It's been a complete balls-up of a week for your beloved ALP hasn't it J? However it's good to see that you are still on the various forums, flogging away at the Norwegian Blue of horse carcases.
      PS I don't think the "slick" bit is going to catch on. It just seems odd.

      Commenter
      TED
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:06PM
    • How could it, even he can't explain it.

      Modern Labor: the deceptive leading
      the unintelligible.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:22PM
  • Good to see Truthful Julia sticking to her principles by appearing on Kyle Sandilands show this morning. I'm so proud of her standing up to sexist mysoginists and not colluding with them or promoting thier commercial interests. Go Girl !!! You are such a role model for young women.

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Labor party La La Land
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:33PM
    • Even better to see that Rudd 'is a man of his word".

      Even "Slick" Abbott was rolling on the floor laughing at that 1.

      I just think it underscores how low Rudd is.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:09PM
    • Gillard did not do any interviews on ABC, SBS, 2GB or 2UE. She went to TodayFM with Kyle and Jackie O. The same Kyle that was involved in the questioning and ridicule of a young girl about her sex life but he can't be a misogynist because Gillard said she'd call it when she saw it.

      Commenter
      funny
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:08PM
    • @"SteveH."

      Deception has always been your game "SteveH."

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:32PM
    • @"SteveH."

      Deception has always been your game "SteveH."

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:32PM
  • “What a circus! Simon Crean has demonstrated once again why he is a failed leader. How despicable trying to draw Kevin Rudd out and offering to be his deputy, and even more despicable that Gillard and Swan must have been in on this 'strategy' - how un-Australian. Julia Gillard would be better served cutting a swathe through these old Labor Party cronies and she now has an opportunity to do that. What’s that you say, oh that’s right, she can’t because she’s in their pockets. Watch your back Julia, I can hear the knives being sharpened again by the 'not so faceless men' ready to do the dirty again now that Kevin is out of the picture and there jobs are still intact. Kevin Rudd must be getting some satisfaction watching things implode. Why would he want to be part of this circus?

    Commenter
    pragmatic
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:31PM
    • Yes, I sort of feel thats what happened. Crean initiated the challenge to draw the ruddites out before they had the numbers...

      so it goes to prove, that the inner circle really dont give a toss about anything other than their own short term survival...

      Its actually great news for the LNP... slick Tony doesnt have to do or promise anything policy wise.... Bob Carr will probably end up being the leader now.. all the rest have shot themselves in the foot..

      Julia Gillard is the Cheryl Kernot of the ALP.. ... what happened to the Democrats again??? ROFL

      Commenter
      Lats
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:26PM
  • Clearly I must be missing something because as I understood it, the ALP caucus has the power to decide the Government's direction and policies. If the caucus was able to be more pro-active it should (in theory at least) be able to stop the nonsence like Conroy's media laws before they see the light of day. Cleary however, the "kitchen cabinet" approch did not die when K Rudd was knifed and the factional power wielded by the unions will ultimately be their downfall.

    Commenter
    Alternate View
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:29PM
  • Living in the Richmond/Page area I would be interested to know what questions the PM was asked about “investment in roads funding” @ 2.15pm and mayber her responses.

    Is reporting this too much to ask?

    Commenter
    dude
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:27PM
  • @Weary"

    "Weary" you should have taken the time to read this :

    http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/penchant-for-picking-a-winner-is-poll-waffle-20130320-2ge6q.html

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:27PM
  • Julie Bishop looks all ga ga in the photo. You would think whe and abbott were meeting their boss, but I couldn't see murdoch anywhere in the pic.

    Commenter
    sickening
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:20PM
  • J. Fraser, I don't have the foggiest what you're going on about most of time. My only real question is whether you do?

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:17PM
    • @"SteveH."

      Always with the deceptive questions.

      Why don't you write to "Slick" Abbott and get him to answer the same.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:02PM
    • @Steve - J.Fraser is a parrot - so no he has no idea

      Commenter
      pope
      Location
      melb
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:09PM
    • Its not deceptive, its straight forward,
      its just that you can't answer it.

      Julia has the same problem.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:14PM
    • J. Fraser, you are the sort of Idiot that should seek ALP endorsemen

      Commenter
      dickrob
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:41PM
  • I still can't see Truthful Julia in the Bulldogs team at Full Forward. Is there a a mistake in the team sheet? is she caught up with any 'tanking' incidents? it seems that she may have 'tanked' already judging by yesterdays results

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Labor party La La Land
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:17PM
  • Rudd said yesterday, ‘For a long period of time. "I said that the only circumstances under which I would consider a return to the leadership would be if there was an overwhelming majority of the parliamentary party requesting such a return - drafting me to return. And the position was vacant. I am here to inform you that those circumstances do not exist.’

    Therefore there was no reason whatsoever for Simon Crean to call for a spill other than to orchestrate an end to leadership speculation and improvement in the polls for when the budget is handed down in May. Also the orchestration allows Gillard to take a breath as Parliament does not sit for another seven weeks when she will have a budget to sell.

    Gillard needs this time to try and fix the enormous task of rebuilding from the chaos that brand Labor has become and to somehow persuade the electorate that there is strength in once again staring down Rudd. However, that strength is now shown to be one of manipulating public perception by her own Machiavellian style of plotting and insidious deceit.

    Once again Gillard outsmarts herself by thinking she is smarter than anyone else, that no one can see past the smoke and mirrors of her political orchestrations.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:15PM
    • Indeed

      Commenter
      Indeed
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:01PM
  • Mr Rudd NEVER wanted the job back. At his press conference yesterday Joel Fitzgibbon echoed Mr Rudd's words yesterday, implying he had met Mr Rudd's almost impossible conditions for his return, saying the mood in caucus was "overwhelmingly' for a spill, "but I couln't convince Kevin of that". But the fact that Mr Rudd didn't run, shows to me that he never wanted the job back. Rather, he just wants Labor smashed at the next election.

    Commenter
    jjdd
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:15PM
  • Seems as though the Labor party needs to split and form its own alliances. This attempt with the greens proves too far left they will always be political mince meat. Unionists need to split - show their true colours.

    Commenter
    mmm
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:14PM
  • Abbott and his sick cronies should be concentrating on producing ONE policy that will benefit the working people of Australia.

    As for Abbott's comments about being "worried about Australia", the only danger Australia will have is when and hopefully not if, Abbott, Pyne ever get elected. The hypocrisy of the opposition is endless.

    As for Rudd, then good riddance.

    Commenter
    TareeDawg
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:13PM
    • +1

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:53PM
    • TareeDawg,
      Geez, if you go to their website you'd see a 52 page document detailing their policies.

      Commenter
      Rodrigo
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:56PM
    • Thanks dawg

      Commenter
      AllMSMedia'sFault
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:05PM
  • Ever since the minority government took control of the treasury purse strings it has been Tony Abbott who has de-stabilised the parliament. His inability to accept that the Independents backed the ALP lead to his continuous de-stabilising tactics. Now let's get on with the last six months of government before the election and concentrate on leglislation not on Abbott's ambitions.

    Commenter
    RTP.
    Location
    Sawtell
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:13PM
  • Well Fairfax media tried hard to unseat the PM Truthful Julia, but failed. What will this MSM lot try next?

    I'm hoping Truthful Julia can just get on with wrecking the country - for which she is acknowledged as being very good at. Keep up the work and motto of: We will not fail (to wreck the country), failure is not an option.

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Labor party La La Land
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:11PM
    • @"already enough"

      Here's a "Slick" Abbott cheer squad still talking about how Whyalla disappeared of the map.

      That python squeeze appears to have left you without any oxygen to the frontal lobe.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:58PM
  • Napthine says he was elected unopposed on the evening of March 6, when former premier Ted Baillieu resigned after weeks of speculation about his poor performance in the polls.
    Get real Baillieu stood down because he was knifed.

    Commenter
    Bushy
    Location
    Cressy
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:10PM
  • What the ALP failed to do yesterday, the people of Australia will do with determined enthusiasm, i.e. the removal of this incompetent and dysfunctional government that despite some good economic news have managed to plunge themselves in vicious, tribal warfare and surround themselves with the stench of interminable decay.

    Commenter
    TerryPMelbourne
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:05PM
  • Crean deserves Gillard's gratitude for what he did. He brought the constant in-fighting between Rudd supporters and Gillard supporters out into the open so it could be resolved once and for all. Perhaps declaring his vote for Rudd can be considered disloyal, but it was his way of forcing the caucus to action and encouraging Rudd to be open about his ambition. If he had come out saying nothing about his vote, or that he would be supporting Gillard, how would that have helped Rudd supporters to come clean?

    In essence, Crean has sacrificed himself for the Labor party. Not for Rudd, not for Gillard, but for the party. I reckon it's Crean who should be leader.

    Commenter
    YMM
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:05PM
    • I agree with you wholeheartedly. I first saw it as a Socrates moment - but not as dramatic.

      Commenter
      mmm
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:01PM
  • One thing that is clear out of yesterday's farce: the ALP has now comprehensively hitched it's wagon to the Julia Gillard train.

    The fascinating and unanswered question is now whether she will last until September. It is appearing increasingly likely that a vote of no confidence the government may succeed in the Budget session.

    Even Tony Windsor knows how foolish he looks supporting the ALP now.

    Commenter
    Alternate View
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 2:00PM
    • The only "clear" thing out of yesterday is that your view is anything but "alternate".

      "Slick" Abbott must be so proud of you.

      See DR and A country gal ... here is another example of usage.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:29PM
    • How do you know what Tony Windsor knows - I think you are being foolish.

      Commenter
      zacca
      Location
      adelaide
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:31PM
    • The thing you would be pundits don't understand is that the independents have obtained boatloads for their electorates from this minority government. What's in it for them to effectively anoint the mad monk as, gulp, the next PM. Nothing except a wrecked NBN and a contraction of the economy. The independents will go the distance. Don't forget little Johnny was in diabolical trouble at times and he came back. Maybe if we ever get a look at Tones' wrecking ball agenda people might come to their senses.

      Commenter
      Kel
      Location
      The Bush
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:52PM
  • The problem for Labor is that the leadership issue will not go away unless Julia can get the primary support up above the low 30% range. The Labor leadership issue has, in reality, always been about Julia rather than Kevin. What Labor will do, unless things improve, is settle on an 'anyone but Julia' candidate.

    Or the indies backing the rabble could force an election by pulling support.

    Commenter
    AdamC
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 1:55PM
    • Julia Gillard: the Collins Class Submarine of Australian Politics.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:34PM
  • Most of the stuff that comes from Abbott's mouth is pure gold ... he is such a hypocrite when it comes to criticise the PM - especially when he claims she is otivated purely by self-interest. Talk about kettles and pots.

    Commenter
    J
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 1:53PM
    • J,
      Of course he's speaking as a man who's volunteered as a life saver and firefighter for 15 years.

      It's a shame Labor frontbenchers can't get off their backsides to help the community in need.

      Commenter
      Jason
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:38PM
    • except of course John Faulkner who has completed close to 10 Oxfam Trailwalks - and 2 weeks ago walked 100km raising funds for Fred Hollows foundation leading a man who is blind - but John does this without the media in tow!

      Commenter
      Darren
      Location
      freshwater
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:58PM
    • Jason. I totally agree Abbott is a community minded person.

      He can run, jump, swim ect

      He just doesnt have what it takes to be PM. He has shown no respect for the parliamnet over the last 3 years.

      I dont accept he has changed.

      He hasnt supported any reforms.

      Even with all the crap going on, Gillard has delivered the goods for this nation

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:11PM
    • John Faulkner?The one no Labor MP listens to? That certainly proves my point that at least, in contrast to the Labor front bench, Abbott does not do things just for his own benefit.

      What volunteering has Gillard done? Pro bono work for union mates doesn't count.

      Commenter
      Jason
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:30PM
  • Just so so sick of all this.
    Let the people decide who is our Prime Minister.Every day Gillard resists an election should be seen as another day she has no respect for the people of this Nation.

    Commenter
    David
    Location
    Malvern
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 1:53PM
    • Just so sick of all this - the people will decide on September 14,2013.

      Commenter
      zacca
      Location
      adelaide
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:32PM
  • Yesterday the Labor caucus chose the next prime Minister of Australia. Unfortunately, it won't be one of them.

    Commenter
    MarkH
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 1:52PM
    • A true lol from me thanks mate.

      Commenter
      AllMSMedia'sFault
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:31PM
  • Anyone else notice how many staff following these politicans around yesterday? How many staff do you need exactly to look important ? Govt is fat

    Commenter
    gman
    Location
    nsw
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 1:49PM
    • 1 Staffer + 1 police officer?

      The ones yesterday are of 'the contestant surrounded by some of their supporters' (who are all MPs). Those are in some ways traditional.

      Commenter
      Simon
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:23PM
  • The Age poll today - "WILL Julia Gillard lead Labor to the next election?" should be changed to "SHOULD Julia Gillard lead Labor to the next election?" A far more interesting Poll question.:

    Commenter
    What a mess
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 1:49PM
  • "The Victorian Premier, Denis Napthine, says there are no parallels between yesterday's events and Victoria's own sudden leadership change a fortnight ago."

    True, but there are huge parallels with the leadership change in 2010. In both cases the sitting leader called a spill and decided not to contest the leadership. Remember - Rudd did not stand in 2010. And the new leader was elected unopposed. Julia Gillard in 2010 and Denis Napthene in 2013.

    So lets move on to policy and stop circulating the lies and deceit put out by the Liberal Party, desperate to ensure that the public does not see how little substance they have and how much they will carry out the will of the Millionaires union that backs them.

    Commenter
    Whyalla Wipeout
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 1:48PM
    • Whyalla what's your best guess on when the next challenge to Gillard comes - before the budget or after it ?

      And who will be challenging, now that Kevin's discovered that politicians should actually do what they say they will ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:28PM
    • Hacka, why are you so afraid to discuss the policies of the Abbott Liberals?

      They say they have policies and that they are fully costed. But we see nothing of them.

      If you are such a big supporter of Abbott and the coalition, why aren't you out there promoting their policies?

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:14PM
  • Regarding Stephanie's 1:13 pm post:

    "Dr Napthine was elected unopposed on the evening of March 6, when former premier Ted Bailieu resigned after weeks of speculation about his poor performance in the polls."

    "Ms Gillard was elected unopposed during the afternoon of March 21, when Ms Gillard called a spill of the leadership after weeks of speculation about her poor performance in the polls."

    Difference, Denis? I don't see any.

    Commenter
    Grizwald
    Location
    Alexandria
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 1:41PM
    • Well I'm glad we cleared that up :-) we wouldn't want people to think you were talking to yourself or anything.

      Commenter
      wonk_arama
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:38PM
    • Well I'm glad we cleared that up :-) we wouldn't want people to think you were talking to yourself or anything.

      Commenter
      wonk_arama
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:38PM
  • Photo @1140am - isn't it great to see the PM with a 457 visa holder behind her?

    Commenter
    Maxx
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 1:29PM
    • That's a pretty silly comment. NO-ONE said there are no circumstances when a 457 TEMPORARY visa is appropriate - clearly there are. What is inappropriate is wholesale replacement of local jobs with temporary entrants - this is happening in IT, and I am seeing it first hand. Anecdotally it is happening in occupations such as hairdressing.

      Commenter
      John
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:54PM
    • There is a need for visas for long term temporary visas for skilled people filling highly specialised positions (i.e., the 457 visa sub-class). It has been a feature, in one form or another, for as long there has been an Australian immigration policy.

      Also as long has been dishonest employers who look for loopholes to import either unskilled labour at cheap prices or skilled labour which costs considerably less than the market rate for Australians. It is totally appropriate to close loopholes.

      How many people would like to see their employment position declared redundant and then, a few months later, see the same position, with a few cosmetic changes to the name, filled by someone from overseas working for half the pay.

      This is the abuse the government is trying to deal with. It certainly continues to fully support the continuation of the 457 visa for those employers who use its provisions honestly and with integrity.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:56PM
    • It's nothing to do with "visa abuse". It's called a divide and conquer mentality for the sake of votes. The Libs do it with "boats" so the ALP will try the 457 option. Such a "big problem" would have been dealt with long ago; particularly by ex-Immigration Dept pen-pushers who clearly cannot and didn't do their job properly.

      Commenter
      Maxx
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:25PM
    • No Maxx, as someone who spent 20 years in the Immigration department it is all about visa abuse. Just because you get to read from the Menzies House hymn sheet does not make it right. There are a lot of skilled IT people out there who cannot get work but see the jobs from which they were retrenched being filled by cheap labour.

      As I said, the 457 visa is necessary and appropriate for the nation, but that does not mean that some crooks are not taking advantage of the rules at the cost of this country and its workers.

      Just because the Liberals have turned this into some sort of xenophobic attack by Labor (while continuing to vilify asylum seekers and demanding they be treated the same way as convicted pedophiles), does not make that true.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:28PM
  • Wise move Bowen to look to retaining your seat,only wasting your time on "Ms 30%" front bench ....Labor will need a multitude of positive poll "bounces"to win in September.

    Commenter
    Wise Move
    Location
    E Gippsland
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 1:28PM
  • Alex's photo at 11.56am - not very often we get to see the man who has been pulling Labor's strings since Gillard brought him in on a 457 visa to help keep her in The Lodge. He will have a lot to answer for on Sept 15 before slipping out of the country leaving a trail of destruction for the ALP. Can't wait to read the analysis on his contribution to Labor's downfall.
    While I'm on a roll - caption for Andrew's 11.27 photo "Will that be one sugar or two in your coffee Mr McTernan?"

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 1:27PM
    • @"Timmy of Altona"

      I prefer the one of Barangaroo at 12:21pm.

      We all know who the winner is in that photo .... just as his father was with Channel 9.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:16PM
  • Why can't the Libs just get Kev to vote with them in a no confidence motion and offer him the ambassador post of his choosing, Beijing, Washington, UN HQ etc.

    Commenter
    Tony H
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 1:26PM
    • Two words "Terry Metherell"

      Commenter
      Little Johnny
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:27PM
  • Anybody else thinks its strange, crean is all over the media this morning, having interview after interview , as calm as anything, talking up the labour party, not saying a bad word about anyone, not feeling embarassed, talking positively about Julia. Could this all be a set up, No? Not this trustworthy government. I think if i got back stabbed and sacked and embarassed myself i'd be a little annoyed. Anybody smell a rat??

    Commenter
    Genghis
    Location
    Lounge
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 1:25PM
    • he's sucking up to gillard to get his old job back

      Commenter
      A Bodhi Nuisance
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:51PM
    • I think you may be right Genghis. His two press conferences in which he totally contradicted himself within a few hours and took a radically different position in the second one. The fact that Julia doesn't seem to mind getting her loyal party members, such as Harry Jenkins to take one for the 'team'. aka her. The fact that she is totally ruthless and interested only in herself maintaining her position despite being monumentally unpopular.

      Now we have his relaxed demeanour and availability the day after what should have been one of the most humiliating days of his life. A day when Rudd is hiding out and not even available on Sunrise. No wonder Rudd is saying he's not interested in the leadership in any circumstance. He has been totally outplayed and outfoxed by Gillard on every front again. Wasn't it her that advised him to drop the CPRS so that he ended up looking a total prat over that. She's been playing with his head for years I think. What an operator.

      Commenter
      Riverman
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:06PM
    • You are so right Genghis.....

      This as a Gillard tactic that seems to have backfired.....

      Crean still cannot explain why he called the spill...

      Commenter
      jackson
      Location
      Jakarta
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:18PM
    • The whole thing was a set up with Crean 'taking one for the team' as it were. Watch him be rewarded with another portfolio or some cushy position. He was never a Rudd supporter - in fact has often made derogatory statements about him, but he is a seasoned Union man and this is how they operate. Not only did it shut Rudd up but now his supporters are going - it was all a set up to get the media off their backs about the leadership. Rudd would know this so don't think he is really finished yet - revenge is a dish best served cold. It all boils down to Gillard treating the voters as mugs again and most have fallen for it, but it will not change things one iota. She and her spineless Caucus are gone come September.

      Commenter
      Magwitch
      Location
      Briz
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:05PM
  • For the sake of accuracy, could we please remind Mr Abbott that, with only a few exceptions, every Australian Liberal PM has led a minority government. The difference between those governments and the current arrangement is that Ms Gillard made her agreement with the cross benches public. We do not know what deals are done to secure National Party support for Liberal Prime Ministers.

    Commenter
    Mopsella
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 1:17PM
    • The deal is to deliver stable and competent government for all Australians and not just for the faceless men of the trade union movement.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:54PM
    • WRONG!
      The Libs and Nats go into each election with a Coalition arrangement already known to the voters.

      Gillard and the ALP had to cobble a dodgy coalition of competing interests just to satisfy her desperate need to save face and retain office.
      Chalk and cheese.

      Commenter
      JohnB
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:07PM
    • Sorry, but you're wrong. Check your facts.

      Commenter
      Weary
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:11PM
    • Its called consistent alignment of policy, something that Oakshott and Windsor, both members of conservative electrorates, can't claim to have with the ALP.

      Commenter
      Llama Farma
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:12PM
  • There never was a challenge. This was a Gillard/Swan sideshow designed to show unity. I failed badly. On Radio Graham Richardson called it "One of the worst days for Labor in the 35 years I have been a memeber of the party.
    Crean gets shafted. Rudd keeps his reputation with the ellectorate. The voters remain unchnaged. They will be gone....

    Commenter
    Smoke and mirrors
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 1:17PM
    • In time I am sure we will see that Crean and Gillard worked together on this...with the sole purpose of taking on Rudd before he was prepared. Nothing else makes sense.
      Yesterday, Crean could not explain why he called for the spill....
      Gillard will do anything to save her job....

      Commenter
      paul
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:01PM
    • I'd love to see you try and make sense of your own comment, but we all know it isn't going to happen.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:12PM
    • I'd love to see you try and make sense of your own comment, but we all know it isn't going to happen.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:12PM
  • the toxicity of Labor is too much, can we have another story leading the news? everyone already knows who's gonna win the election anyway...

    Commenter
    Ben
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 1:12PM
  • Labour is a shambles and the one of a few respectable figures they had by way of Simon Crean has been sacrificed and on the face of it Gillard and her supporters are painting a desperate leader holding the country to ransom as some courageous figure. As a woman I am disgusted in her behaviour. There is a big difference between being courageous and protecting one's interests and she is definitively the latter. The bigger issue we should be focusing on is how honourable the independents will be and finally step up and say enough is enough, the Australian people deserve not just better but hugely better than Labour is delivering and provide the impetus to end this disaster!

    Commenter
    Stella
    Location
    Vaucluse
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 1:12PM
  • J. Fraser

    Explain:

    Changing Medibank from non-profit to tax paying entity for reason of $850 million in fees and extra taxes, realising third yearly increase in Medibank fees. Labor’s cagey methodology of further tax imposts realised $8000,000,000: Alcopops tax, New tax on Australians working overseas, Cutting superannuation tax-free contributions, Restrictions on business losses, Changes to Employee Share Scheme, Cigarette tax 25% increase, Mining tax, Ethanol tax increase, LPG excise increase, Further restrictions on medical expenses before claiming tax refund, luxury car tax increase, Flood tax, Tax increase on company cars, Abolition of Entrepreneurs’ Tax Offset, Phasing out of Dependent Spouse Tax Offset, Disallowance of deductions against government assistance payments, Removing minors’ eligibility for the low income tax offset on unearned income, Deferral of Tax Breaks for Green Buildings, and carbon tax.

    NBN $5 billion cost over-run and inability to maintain schedules; lack of funding for $6.5 billion Gonski costs, and the NDIS annual $22 billion cost; Carbon tax funds Centrelink. Population explosion of 368000 per annum out of control causing unprecedented soil salination cost $200 million plus annually; boat arrivals cost $5 billion plus. Immigration intake (2008-9 - 10-11 372400 about two thirds more population increase than by natural means requires Canberra size infrastructure annually. Infrastructure production lags behind population growth by almost $1 trillion.

    Federal and state debt: $453.413 billion and projected to be 60% of GDP by July, making each Australian citizen responsible for $19713.00 of government debt.

    Crean supports Gillard? Last year Crean, accused Rudd of disloyalty, demanding that Gillard sack him? Yesterday, Crean calls for a spill offering Rudd as leader? Rudd does not stand? Political integrity or more Machiavellian pursuits by Gillardism?

    Slick Abbott?

    Commenter
    Pen
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    March 22, 2013, 1:12PM
    • Silence and tumbleweeds are all you are likely to hear from J.Fraser!

      Commenter
      liklik
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      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:10PM
    • @"Pen"

      The morning I wake up and "explain" anything to you will be the end of the world.

      There has been no shortage of people trying to explain things to you across a range of topics from religion to electricity, nuclear power to politics.

      And you refuse to listen.

      Why don't you carry on a conversation with "Rodrigo", you both have so much in common.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:12PM
    • Pen +1. You omitted the PM communications director who is a 457 visa holder. J "sick" Fraser will not respond in detail he will only use his stupidity with the stupid one liners that is not even humorous.

      Commenter
      Goodbye JF
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      March 22, 2013, 2:14PM
    • Don't see in there tripling tax free threshold from $6000 to $18000 or is this just selective info being fed to us?

      Commenter
      JT
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      March 22, 2013, 2:23PM
    • My prediction is that, post-September, we won't see another comment under the name J.Fraser. He'll abandon it just cos he wouldn't be able to handle everyone constantly reminding him that he hasn't produced one accurate comment in over four years.

      Commenter
      Weary
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:29PM
    • J;Fraser

      In other words you are incapable of addressing even one of the imposts inflicted on Australians by Gillardism? You will of course note that nothing in my list is of rhetoric at all rather nothing but hard known facts.

      Well done, Fraser you live up to my expectations of what you really are.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
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      March 22, 2013, 2:29PM
    • Pen: first of all, thank you (& also to Delaware in another post) for listing actual policy gripes against the present Government. At least now I get a sense of what the complaints underlying all the histrionic generalisations are...... This said, I still don't see too much wrong; if you believe that Carbon Pollution is bad then a Carbon Tax is a pretty good idea, right? Ditto a Mining Tax if you see big multi-national Mining companies plundering our resources and making truly large profits from it; a Flood Tax if you believe people flooded out of house & home need help; alcopops & cigarette taxes if you believe such drinks cause large social & health issues and finally a higher tax on company cars that had become, quite frankly, a bit of a rort; I also don't see the big issue with the NBN - it's a huge project, run by NBN Co (NOT the Govt) and, like MOST business projects, will be subject to delays & cost overruns yet unlike virtually ALL private business projects, the social & economic benefits to the country when the NBN's finished will be ENORMOUS. Finally I must say I dislike the way that on the one hand you bash the Govt for supposedly being responsible for "burgeoning debt" yet you definitely imply support for spending money to get the Gonski reforms & the NDIS (which the Libs actually support) up and running. I'm soory but you can't have it BOTH ways there!

      Commenter
      djpoh
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      March 22, 2013, 3:11PM
    • Weary is spot on. J. Fraser was very vocal for months prior to the QLD elections with pithy slogans and names (in his mind) about Newman and the LNP. Once the ALP were humiliated in the election, JF suddenly disappeared from QLD news and got busy talking up the ALP federally. Not sure where he will go post September. Local elections for the P&F perhaps?

      Commenter
      Tony
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      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:18PM
    • Leave J Fraser alone - he needs his rest, by now he will have been wheeled off the porch washing up for tea

      Commenter
      gman
      Location
      nsw
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:53PM
  • Cmon slick cool Abbott, and cmon the libs, on the home stretch now. I never thought i would be one of those people celebrating when a party was elected. But to see the back of this labour party is worth all night champas. I think i'll be dancing in the street

    Commenter
    Genghis
    Location
    Lounge
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 1:11PM
  • So let me get this straight... Kevin Rudd and his supporters have been deliberately undermining Gillard's leadership since she became the Prime Minister back in 2010 and have sabotaged her every step of the way. They didn't take no for an answer when the leadership was settled in March 2012 and have continued to carry on like selfish pork chops ever since. Rudd has fuelled the whole lot of it by continuing to leak things to the media and appearing to undermine Gillard the whole time. Then, when he had the opportunity to put his money where his mouth is yesterday, Rudd ran away, effectively causing a respected senior minister and former president of the ACTU (Crean) to be sacked and five other members of the government to resign (including another Cabinet minister in Bowen). Rudd you really are a Machiavellian hero aren't you? Not only have you knifed Gillard and her supporters but you've screwed over your own supporters as well. Just do the honourable thing and resign from the Labor Party for goodness sake. In fact, resign from politics altogether. This country has had a gutful of your ego, the collateral damage and the complete waste of taxpayers’ money it has caused. And it will be on YOUR head Rudd that Abbott becomes the Prime Minister. Thanks for nothing.

    Commenter
    Adam Newstead
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    March 22, 2013, 1:11PM
    • Mr. Whiskers doesn't like politics much, reckons its a human eat human thing.

      After Harmony Day I'm inclined to agree.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
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      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:10PM
    • Mr. Whiskers doesn't like politics much, reckons its a human eat human thing.

      After Harmony Day I'm inclined to agree.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
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      March 22, 2013, 1:10PM
  • The issue of the leadership is OVER. Get that. OVER.

    The national interest will best be served by close scrutiny of the competing policies of all the major parties in the lead up to the next election.

    Is the journalist class capable of asking the hard questions and pressing for clear answers? Their performance to date does not fill me with hope. Personalities over policies every time.

    Commenter
    Whyalla Wipeout
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    March 22, 2013, 1:08PM
    • @Whyalla Wipeout

      That background crashing sound you can hear is the Murdoch media cutting down numerous trees across Australia in an effort to prove you wrong.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:45PM
    • Exactly, Gillard put it well when she said that anyone trying to sell a "rudd has the numbers" story now will be laughed at. Surely the journos are now twice bitten, three time shy?
      On that I think it is time journo's put some thought into the stories they report, sure someone might be feeding you a story but isn't there some onus on the journo to see if there is any truth to it before it being put on the front page.
      So far they have twice built up Rudd having the numbers and the closest he has gotten is 31 to 69.

      Commenter
      Macca75
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      March 22, 2013, 1:48PM
    • Tell that to the pack. Tell that to Hatchet Hartcher. Michelle Grattans probably got another piece in the making.
      They thrive on the speculation that in turn eventually creates a situation.
      Wow, they must be filled with self importance when they say told you so. Politics ever increasingly is part of this 24/7 news cycle in wedded bliss/agony.
      I can't believe how people can't recognise the relationship. They are equally reliant on each other, like parasites to a host.
      I'd just long for some scrutiny on policy, all of them from every side!

      Commenter
      A country gal
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      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:53PM
    • That background crashing sound you hear is another wave breaking, indicating a repeat set.

      Leadership talk over? Didn't we have that conversation in Feb 2012. Gillards leadership will remain in question until she's booted from the parliament unceremoniously along with her incompetent government.

      Wipeout indeed!

      Commenter
      shiyoganai
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      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:48PM
  • I must be missing something, Kevin Rudd didn't have the numbers and seemed he didn't want to contest the leadership. Simon Crean knew this before he spoke to the media. Then when Rudd doesn't show up he's a pretender. Rudd never had the numbers and Gillard and co are trying to shut him down before he really got the numbers. But why would Rudd want to sabe this bunch of losers who backstabbed him ? Let the Aussie public vote her out and kick her and Swan and the faceless men out of politics for good.

    Commenter
    nasals
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 1:06PM
    • Who are the 'faceless men"? What a load of old bollocks picking up this propaganda myth. Name them.

      Not the unions, because they don't have a say. How about the Labor party room? They do decide the leadership of the party, the way that the Liberal Party room decides the leadership of their party.

      Can you identify the Liberal backbench who put Abbott into the leadership? No. I thought not.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
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      March 22, 2013, 1:44PM
    • @Whyalla, sorry I can't them because I can't see their face. All I know is that they'll be the ones out of a job come September

      Commenter
      nasals
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:32PM
    • What? The Liberal backbenchers. Parrots parrot slogans like 'faceless men'. Real people investigate across a lot of resources instead of swallowing and repeating slogans.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
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      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:32PM
  • I suggest to all Kevin Rudd supporters at the coming election, to ignore candidates on the House of Reps voting paper and simply write: 1 Kevin Rudd. He gets my vote.

    Commenter
    fair go
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    March 22, 2013, 1:03PM
    • Yep ... school halls, pink batts, 20/20 summit, greatest moral challenge of our time global warming b/s, destruction of our borders, mining tax debacle ... and we haven't even got to his character flaws yet. Fuel watch, grocery watch ... on and on and on the failures just keep coming. Are you really going to Vote Rudd ? How odd. And keep in mind ... people like you hold Rudd as a higher achiever than Gillard ... yikes !!

      Commenter
      Henry
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      March 22, 2013, 1:31PM
    • That means a total vote for Rudd of his entire family, him and you.

      Even Rudd would have trouble convincing anyone that it was a win.

      Ever notice that J.Fraser is able to pile it onto Labor pollies he thinks are pretty much worthless ..... but the "Slick" Abbott cheer squad can't do the same, with a whole lot of hasbeens and no hopers (including "Slick" Abbott) 1 would think that the "Slick" Abbott squad were godlike.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:49PM
    • "syncophants" - great term to describe the journalists who report Abbott's yabberings uncritically.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
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      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:00PM
    • "syncophants" - great term to describe the journalists who report Abbott's yabberings uncritically.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:00PM
    • Nice little echo chamber there SteveH, or was that comment from your dog?

      Commenter
      wonk_arama
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:59PM
    • Nice little echo chamber there SteveH, or was that comment from your dog?

      Commenter
      wonk_arama
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:59PM
  • The ALP can't win with Gillard and Rudd has excluded himself. Therefore given history, the next potential leader will be the one making the most noise about supporting the PM.

    So...Carr for PM?

    Commenter
    bitboy
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 12:55PM
    • God help us if that happens... Look what happened to NSW. Once powerhouse of the Australian economy.

      Commenter
      Hanging Judge Jeffries
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:08PM
    • Yeah, good question. What do Labor MPs do when/if the next couple of polls are as bad as we all expect?

      Stephen Smith for PM, perhaps?

      Commenter
      AdamC
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:09PM
    • bitboy - He'd have to somehow shift from the Seante to the lower house for that, so it isn't very likely.

      Commenter
      Macca75
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      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:28PM
    • What an utterly stupid comment Judge. The NSW economy has been subject to major changes in the world economy - in particular the growing demand for resources, pushing up the Australian dollar, and the movement of manufacturing worldwide to China and Korea.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
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      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:41PM
    • Yes, now that one narcissistic blowhard has excused himself obviously another is needed to fill the vaucum. Carr for Prime Minister!!

      Commenter
      Riverman
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      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:47PM
    • macca75, it wouldn't be the first time it's happened

      Commenter
      Michael W
      Location
      Upwey
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:52PM
    • Unlikely....but not impossible

      Commenter
      bitboy
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:53PM
  • What's a Carr if it can't travel? Got to get the priorities right, all those trips with the missus.

    Commenter
    Riverman
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    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 12:55PM
  • I am intrigued by Simon Crean's role in what occurred yesterday. He is either the suicide bomber as one columnist suggested yesterday or Julia Gillard's stalking horse. Whether by design or accident he did the PM a great service. He flushed out and flushed away the Rudd factor and all of his white anting supporters. Gillard sacked Crean but really she owes him a debt of gratitude. KRudd will continue to plot and scheme from the backbench but he will be flying solo from now on. His political ambition in all likelihood has destroyed the party he purports to represent.

    Commenter
    damienc
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 12:52PM
    • There is no evidence Rudd was up to anything.
      Crean's blind ambition motivated him to try to unseat the PM to save his party from the election thrashing many believe it so richly deserves.
      Didn't look like a setup to me...

      Rudd was never going to get the numbers to be 'drafted' which he insisted upon. So all that came out of Crean's challenge was Rudd's clarification that he would never seek the leadership under any circumstances.

      Commenter
      A Bodhi Nuisance
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      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:19PM
  • This is a PM and party that has lost all credibility and only totally focussed on clinging to power. It beggars belief how she can say she has never sought office for the sake of the office and is only interested in the good of the nation when she propagates such divisive us vs them class warfare in last ditch effort to shore up her support base. Governing for the good of the nation mean governing for all.

    Commenter
    CHS
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    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 12:50PM
  • Abbott is out with his friend Packer.

    I wonder if Abbott will do what BOF did and bring in legislation so that Packer and people like him can walk straight into Abbott's office and get what he wants - casino for example.

    Commenter
    ccb
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    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 12:50PM
    • I'd say there will be a line up, jockeying for positions between big mining, big media, big business. They'll be tripping over themselves- they are already and he's only the LOTO ATM.
      Writing is on the wall.

      Commenter
      A country gal
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      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:11PM
    • Less than 6 months to go before the election. Let the scaremongering begin!

      Commenter
      Hasbeen
      Location
      Umina
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:16PM
    • And look at Julie B all doe-eyed at Mr P.

      Commenter
      Grizwald
      Location
      Alexandria
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:45PM
    • "Less than 6 months to go before the election. Let the scaremongering begin!"
      Commenter Hasbeen

      "Begin", Hasbeen? Abbott's been scaremongering nonstop for years! In case you missed it, here's a small sample:
      "There’s not a state and there’s hardly a region in this country that wouldn’t have major communities devastated by a carbon tax if this goes ahead." Source, liberal.org.au April 27, 2011.

      "The hit on Australians' cost of living is almost unimaginable." Source, tonyabbott.com.au June 7, 2011

      “If a country cannot control who enters the country, it is in a sense exposed to a form of peaceful invasion.” Source http://www.afrsmartinvestor.com Nov 22, 2012

      "We've had 22,000 illegal arrivals, almost 400 illegal boats," says Tony Abbott. Jon Faine takes Tony Abbott to task over this statement, pointing out that it is in no way illegal for a person to seek asylum. Source http://www.abc.net.au/local/audio/2012/08/14/3567181.htm
      Tony said reinstating offshore processing Nauru and Manus was "good policy". And "I've been saying for four years that the Prime Minister should pick up the phone to Nauru," says the Opposition Leader. But his (read: Howard's) good policy hasn't actually been a resounding success in terms of "stopping the boats," has it?

      Now that the Rudd speculation is well and truly over, I hope the MSM will now focus on presenting the facts and examining the policies of all the parties instead. I'm sure most people will then start to see through the hyperbole and hype that's been slopped to us for far too long.

      Commenter
      Well, well, well
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      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:10PM
  • So Kevin Rudd has said (at about midday) that there are no circumstances under which he would be leader - a definitive end of the subject.

    Great for Gillard, but bad for those (especially in Queensland) who may vote Labor in the hope of picking up Kevin Rudd.

    So Gillard's offering is now her half of the "Gang of Four", and a front bench of declining value, given the departures of people with experience and competence - from Tanner (Finance), through McClellan (Attorney General, family background [Doug McLellan - President of the Senate]), Roxon (Health, Attorney-General), Rudd (Foreign Affairs), Crean (former leader, family background [Frank Crean - Treasurer]), Chris Bowen, and so forth.

    And instead we'll be offered Conroy (NBN), Garrett (insulation), Swan (fiscal surplus) - and so forth.

    And in terms of track record what do we have? Carbon Tax (when there wasn't supposed to be one), Mining Tax (which with Carbon produced almost no revenue), Immigration control (35,000 migrants overflowing any capability to handle them), growing national debt (when there was supposed to be a surplus starting to reduce it), and we're still in Afghanistan (anyone know why? - the Afghans don't!) and so forth.

    I'd vote for anyone other than this government just to get change. As they say - if you keep doing what you're doing, you'll keep getting what you're getting.

    Australia just can't afford that anymore.

    Commenter
    delaware
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    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 12:44PM
  • Rudd will be back, however he will only come back after the ALP is wiped out in Sep. Gillard will resign & Rudd will be drafted, there is no one else to rebuild after the ALP annihilation, Rudd will be the only remaining Labour MP who would still got a sweet spot with the public. Rudd knows this and he is playing this little cat & mouse game with the caucus. Mark my word he will be back.

    Commenter
    MGW
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    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 12:42PM
    • I will mark your words MGW, but I think you are totally wrong. The tattered remains of the Labor party won't be choosing a known 'rat' as a leader, they will be looking for someone fresh without the stench that Rudd carries with him.

      Commenter
      Riverman
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      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:08PM
    • nope never. live with it.

      Commenter
      A Bodhi Nuisance
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      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:25PM
    • MGW, I agree in part with you but after the certain wipe out in September, I am sure Rudd will not take the leadership immediately as it will be a poison chalice. He would wait for people like Shorten, Combet, Smith and ilk (if he survives) to take the leadership one after another and destroy themselves. And when these fools are left with no more credibility, whoever is left of caucus will have to come begging Rudd to take over. Even then if the situation at that time is beyond saving he will just wait for the leader at that time to burn himself. Rudd will then only come back on his own terms.

      Commenter
      GSM
      Location
      Chatswood, NSW
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:27PM
    • I think your right MGW ... Rudd wants to destroy the current Labor party and rebuild it i.e. no more union puppet men running the party or the country ... it'll be a different ALP after the next election wipe out - though if it's a party made by Rudd that'll be one crazy invite. Still, you have to hand it to Rudd - his one goal / job in the ALP is to destroy the party ... and out of all the ALP members he's been the most successful at achieving his goals ... in fact ... he's probably the only one. Good for him.

      Commenter
      Henry
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      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:40PM
    • Of course Rudd will be back as leader regardless of what he said- they're politicians after all. Gillard has nowhere to go in the popularity polls and will drop even further now, The caucus will have no alternative but to offer the position to Rudd (the person the ALP voters want). There will be a reversal of the events of 2010 by election time.

      Commenter
      Steveo
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      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:11PM
  • I hope the Labor ads remind people about what heartless abbott said about our dead soldiers.Abbott doesnt deserve to be P.M after those remarks..EVER!!

    Commenter
    Steeden
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    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 12:40PM
    • That's pretty low Steeden - the remarks you are referring to were taken out of context and the soldiers present even defended Abbott saying the same thing. Anyone can cut and pastephrase to make it sound bad, which is what this journo did and why the soldiers defended Abbott.

      Still a desparate labor will fight filthy all the way to their sad end. I should probably point out where fighting filthy left Anna Bligh and labor in QLD - with 7 seats. So go for your life. In the end, labor is still a rabble, their policies fall over faster than their ministers.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:09PM
    • Wow the lies are getting desperate now. How low will you labour supporters go. Like Q and A the other night , a labour supporter blamed Abbott for giving her cancer.

      Commenter
      Genghis
      Location
      Lounge
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:15PM
    • The remarks were taken out of context?..HE SAID IT!!...soldiers died and he said what he said...and a very low comment by him...end of argument!!he has a habit of ridiculing dead and dying people.

      Commenter
      Steeden
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:51PM
    • Spot on Steeden. The Coalition and their media cronies have perfected the art of deception and taking remarks out of context - Goebbels would have been proud - so don't be surprised to find Unfit Abbott and Co. dogged at every step in their official duties (where they won't be able to hide as easily as they have in Opposition) by those very same charming words and other pearls - he'll reap what he has sown - and so will the rest of us unfortunately.

      Commenter
      Blueoint
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      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:02PM
    • Yes Steeden and I could cut and paste words that would have Gillard similiar things and then immaturely say 'She Said It'. Please, if that's all you have then labor really is stuffed.

      Still, even this cannot distract anyone from the farcial disgrace that happened yesterday with Gillard, Swan, Crean and Rudd - must make you feel proud to be part of the labor shambles? lol.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:16PM
    • What bollocks...anyone who has spent one day in uniform understands the context & the remark wouldn't faze them. Someone a bit soft though...perhaps another story.

      Commenter
      Observor
      Location
      Port Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:24PM
    • Cut and paste?...no need to,Abbott said it himself,and please let us all know when Gillard said anything disgraceful about dead and dying people!!come on!!..Abbott is disgusting.

      Commenter
      Steeden
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      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:29PM
    • Steeden you are an idiot.

      Commenter
      Xingang
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:11PM
    • @"SteveH."

      And that type of response highlights why "Slick" Abbott will never be Prime Minister.

      The "Slick" Abbott cheer squad fails the test again.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:38PM
  • Instead of failing to provide original content and just posting links to Age/SMH opinion pieces, how about providing a view point from the otherside of the world. This is how the Brits saw yesterday.

    Australians don't know how lucky they are.
    A leadership threat to Julia Gillard seemed churlish, given the strong economy – but disgruntled Australians are a common breed

    Last June, Australia celebrated its 21st. consecutive year of economic growth. Yup, you heard right, 21 years. Of growth. 21.

    While the rest of the world lurches from crisis to economic crisis, Oz is powering ahead, enjoying a dollar at a record high, unemployment at near-record lows (5.4%) and basking in more sunshine than the rest of us can dream up. So what does Labor do? Attempt suicide.

    Yesterday's "coup" against Australia's Labor prime minister Julia Gillard was the third failed attempt against her. In the past 10 years, the ALP has installed and dispatched five national leaders while its nemesis, the Liberal party, has tried four different leaders in just six years.

    Viewed from Europe, where national governments are planning to bail out their banks by raiding the savings accounts, news of yet another political attack against Australia's leader smacks of a particular strain of antipodean madness. For decades, it is the British who have worn the "whingeing Poms" label. Now, it's time for Australians to accept the malcontents' mantle, because it is they who appear incapable of seeing just how lucky they are.

    Complaint has become the national default position, seen in a political class – and a mainstream media – who spend more time slinging mud or knifing each other than debating and analysing national policy.

    Commenter
    JBG
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 12:37PM
    • Well said JBG and oh so true. Here we are with the economy boiling along at nearly 4% growth, inflation around the 2.5% mark, wages/salaries growing, business going strong (except those who were always going to fail anyway), the best social structures in the developed world, a balanced approach to looking after those most in need, the best damn health system bar none on the planet (despite the attempts of the States to white ant Federal support), a good to excellent standard of living.....and much much more....and I'm a self funded retiree. Methinks people are just looking for something to whine about. Wake up and smell the roses Australia.....you are oh so lucky!!!

      Commenter
      Pete the Pirate
      Location
      Ulladulla, NSW
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:18PM
  • THE Pulse 12:20pm

    Better check the caption with the photo from Alex.

    "Slick" Abbott looks more like he has been caught out.

    Again.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 12:36PM
    • "Sick" Gillard looks ill in her photos.

      Commenter
      Lizzar
      Location
      Qld
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:07PM
    • "Slick" Julia didn't answer any questions at her post election press conference. Did you notce that J.Fraser?

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:50PM
    • @"Lizzar"

      Put on your glasses.

      That was a photo of "Slick" Abbott you were looking at.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:07PM
  • I was only talking to Bingo my golfish this morning about how sad it is we dont have any politicians capable of doing a decent job running the country. Bingo is an asylum seeker so to speak as he moved from another tank where he was perecuted by Gary the fantail and geoffrey the shubunkin. Bingo was lost for words.

    Commenter
    skiddy
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 12:36PM
    • How about syncophants, are they Ok?

      Commenter
      Riverman
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:33PM
    • How about syncophants, are they Ok?

      Commenter
      Riverman
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:33PM
  • Looks like "Slick' Abbott better get a bet on Prime Minister Julia Gillard winning the election while he's talking to Packer.

    Maybe even ask for a job at one of his casinos.

    "hac ka" was suggesting a cleaning job for "Slick" Abbott, a little earlier.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 12:33PM
  • "Prime Minister Julia Gillard and her Communications Director John McTernan depart The Lodge"

    Thats one 475 visa that Julia isn't going to accuse of being a 'rort'.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 12:31PM
    • She might not, but plenty of others may question what skills he has that can't be located domestically.

      Plenty of Australians also know how to engage in the divisive politics of class warfare.

      Commenter
      A Bodhi Nuisance
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:09PM
    • There are many people in Australia on 457 visas where there is no rort involved. There are also many who are. Where there are rorts, the culprit is the employer, who is also the beneficiary. Where the 457 visa is being rorted, the worker gets ripped off. I therefore object to Gillard's rhetoric about 457 visas, but I'll wait till I see her actions before making further judgement.

      Commenter
      Greg Platt
      Location
      Brunswick
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:49PM
    • At least there's one good outcome from all this - Martin Ferguson is stepping down Old Jack would be turning in his grave to see what his son has done in power. Ferguson has been aggressively pitting workers against the environment since he entered Parliament - a game that only the Right can win.

      The sooner Martin Ferguson gets his hands on his Parliamentary pension, the better.

      Commenter
      Greg Platt
      Location
      Brunswick
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:54PM
    • With a bit of luck they are going back to where they came from: Gillard from Wales, McTernan from Scotland. Can they take Cameron from Scotland and Conroy from England - and their class warfare - with them and never return.

      Commenter
      Emmie
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:37PM
  • "Furthermore, Mr Rudd wishes to make 100 per cent clear to all members of the parliamentary Labor Party, including his own supporters, that there are no circumstances under which he will return to the Labor Party leadership in the future."

    Well lets hope he has got that right! Pity he didn't spell that out to hiis supporters before yesterday. Must have been a communication breakdown, it is a very large building.

    Commenter
    Riverman
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 12:30PM
  • Gillard now has sole ownership of this train wreck of a government, and the judgment of history will not be kind to her

    Commenter
    Little Johnny
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 12:29PM
    • This 'train wreck of a government' is mostly the work of constant sniping and polling by News Ltd and the opposition.
      No matter how tattered they are by the battle, the current government will be remembered fondly once the thugs and religious nutcases of the opposition get their grubby hands on the levers of power again.

      Commenter
      accent
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:48PM
    • No. This trainwreck is the result of a minority Government unable to convince parliament, the media and indeed the Australian people that its policies are in the interests of the country. Meanwhile, the leadership debacle of the last 3 years has sought to undermine the confidence of everybody except the raging socialists and rusted-ons aka, J. "Slick" Fraser, A country gal, meatatarian etc

      Commenter
      Llama Farma
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:37PM
  • The whole circus is beginning to smell feisty (like a fart), this is Rudd’s latest stance:

    ‘Mr Rudd wishes to make 100 per cent clear to all members of the parliamentary Labor Party, including his own supporters, that there are no circumstances under which he will return to the Labor Party leadership in the future.’

    So why did Crean stick his neck out to the extent of a sacrificial goat? It simply makes no sense whatsoever that Crean would call for a spill knowing that Rudd would not challenge. In addition Crean stated his unequivocal support for Gillard only two days ago: ‘The Prime Minister has my full support: "Always has. No-one can question that. There has never been a more loyal person."

    The only explanation is the entire episode was orchestrated by Gillard to end leadership speculation and poor polls. Watch for Crean advance from the back bench?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 12:22PM
    • @"Pen"

      Your "Comments" are degenerating into the disgusting.

      Suggest you keep reading Fairfax Media but take a break from "Commenting".

      This is only a suggestion .... see a medical specialist for more comprehensive analysis.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:41PM
    • Gillard continually underestimates the Australian voters… we aren’t stupid and we don’t have goldfish-like memories. The only thing that yesterday’s Labor's stupidity has established is there are now a lot more voters spoiling for a fight - and it will be Gillard’s proxies... the local Labor representatives... that will be sorted at the election……. enjoy your leader's contribution to your future.

      Commenter
      REality Bites
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:02PM
    • so true, crean aint so stupid to have done what he did yesterday without an angle, he has spent all day so far on ABC, 3aw, channel 7,9 calmly getting his voice out there, saying i did it for the party and julia is great. He'll be back with Julia very soon

      Commenter
      Genghis
      Location
      Lounge
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:06PM
    • This could well be a Gillard plot. I think more likely she is rusted on ( like a bad sore really), and that Rudd will come back after Gillard is destroyed in September or before. Russ will be the saviour... good game he is playing too

      Commenter
      Wendy
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:06PM
    • J.Fraser

      As a Labor Party hack you have erased any doubt from my mind that I am right. The whole circus was an orchestration set in place by Gillard and Crean. It is the only equation that makes perfect sense one that you cannot argue other than to be disgusted that I have revealed the truth so quickly.

      You should have realised: Pen is an expert an uncovering intrigue and Machiavellian pursuits from Yeshua down, and Gillard's little plots of political intrigue are as ploys of a child.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:25PM
    • J Fraser

      You suggest that someone should take a break from commenting. Oh how the left loves to stifle free speech (think media laws and anti-discrimination Act changes basically outlawing offensive language). You like to silence dissenters....how very soviet.

      Commenter
      Bianca
      Location
      Camden
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:57PM
    • @"Pen"

      Good for you, keep up the Pyne impersonation you used so admirably yesterday.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:05PM
    • Probably an early April Fools joke.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:21PM
  • ''The fact is I'm on the record stating . . . my emphatic support for the Prime Minister. As recently as three days ago I said the Prime Minister has my unqualified support. That's on the record."

    Bob Carr

    Unadorned hypocrisy

    Commenter
    Louis Cypher
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 12:20PM
    • really? Has Bob Carr HIMSELF ever said he supported Rudd???? The ONLY two people who have said so are one of the smh's bloodhound journalists (Peter Hartcher) on the basis of Carr's misgivings about two of Gillard's policy stances (like they're all supposed to agree ALL the time??) and one of Rudd's supporters (of a breed shown now to be highly UNreliable) after the vote yesterday. Personally I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt but it would seem that for some the "Kangaroo Court" is now in full session!

      Commenter
      djpoh
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:16PM
    • Bob Carr - The foreign minister that couldnt run a state. I really do feel sorry for the kids of Australia

      Commenter
      Genghis
      Location
      Lounge
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:19PM
  • There is little doubt that Kevin Rudd (or should that be Dudd) has blood on his hands after this latest debacle. His surreptitious, media white anting of Julia Gillard and subsequent lobbying of support in within the cabinet in an effort to cause a spill has seriously backfired not only on himself but also a number of 'supporters' who he conned into believing that he was not done with yet. They are now on the outer and Kevin's position in politics is surely at an end. His appaling media behaviour has not changed on iota since he was ousted by Julia Gillard. The same 'me' arrogance has always been evident. No wonder he got 'kicked out' .

    Commenter
    Jenkins of South Oz
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 12:20PM
    • I beg to differ. There is considerable doubt. The whole challenge thing was the media looking for a audience. Crean thought he could ride the back of this and jumped on it. He wants to be deputy, and maybe then leader.

      Rudd never mentioned a challenge, never said a damn thing, and didn't even stand.

      Be logical, why would he even contemplate wanting to captain a sinking ship? Say what you like about him, but he just isn't that stupid. He would have preferred to wait until GIllard lost the election and then taking over the reins in opposition, so he could ride the white horse into the next election in shiny new armour.
      His career is now defintiely over (if it wasn't already) , thanks to Crean. At least Crean is gone now too, some good comes out of everything.

      Commenter
      Balance
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:42PM
  • I am convinced that Simon Crean was a stooly for Julia Gillard when he made his announcement yesterday. He would otherwise have gone from hating Rudd last week to being his best buddy this week.
    This was a clever way of forcing Rudd's hand and getting him out of the way so things can die down before Parliament comes back for the budget. Regardless, teh labor brand will still smell like a rotting corpse right up to September.

    Commenter
    Bundy Pete
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 12:14PM
    • I reckon you and me are the money. When one analyses the facts the conclusion can only be one of orchestration. Pity the media did not twig or did they?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:47PM
    • 'sycophants'? That is the most pathetic and miserable response to a request that people listen to different voices.

      Perhaps, justone, you will explain why a pointer at a different viewpoint is sycophancy.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:12PM
    • 'sycophants'? That is the most pathetic and miserable response to a request that people listen to different voices.

      Perhaps, justone, you will explain why a pointer at a different viewpoint is sycophancy.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:12PM
  • Fraser! Took you a while to come out from under the doona this morning!

    Never mind, it's all over now. We can look forward to no more challenges and stable Government.

    From Sept. 15th.

    Commenter
    Hanging Judge Jeffries
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 12:08PM
    • You should come out from under the doona before then and see just how good things are in Australia.

      Triple A rating ... only 7 countries in the world have it.

      Unemployment 5.4%.

      Interests rates at historically low levels.

      Close up your bomb shelter and come over from the doom and gloom "Slick' Abbott side of the street onto the Gillard government sunny side of the street.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:44PM
    • @"Hangeron"

      I also hope your clock reading skills improve.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:46PM
    • Fraser... We had a AAA rating for decades before Keating trashed it with his "Banana Republic" statement. Took nearly 15 years to get it back.

      You are either very young or have a short or selective memory. Selective is my best guess.

      Commenter
      Hanging Judge Jeffries
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:12PM
    • @Fraser you must be joking?
      Go back a fews and add a surplus to that list and you may joints some better dots.
      Can you actually name a policy (material) that the current govt has implemented successfully and influenced any of the indicators positively?
      And please dont go anywhere near the stimulus cheques diatribe.

      Commenter
      Aussie Jim
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:25PM
    • @"Aussie Jim"

      Are you unemployed "Aussie Jim" ?

      If you aren't then under "Slick" Abbott's policy you would have been ... along with another 10% of Australians.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:03PM
    • Hanging judge - J.Fraser is a parrot, so no he wouldn't remember anything. He just wants a cracker

      Commenter
      pope
      Location
      melb
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:02PM
  • Don @ 11am.
    An xclnt summary of Rudd and his true self. Knew, dealt with him while in Qld PS.
    Remember, it was his leak to Oakes (which folk lore says Laurie sat on to maximise impact) that derailed Govt's 2010 campaign 3 wks out from elect (while leading comfortably in polls)
    IMO that cost Govt 5/6 seats - Rest history.

    Commenter
    Hobie
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 12:08PM
    • I understand what you are saying and agree.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:47PM
  • Crean didn't sacrifice himself for the party he sacrifice himself for Gillard.

    Commenter
    davos
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 12:04PM
  • Sick to death of this... we need an election so we the Australian people can have our say... the country is in paralysis and we are the laughing stock overseas.

    Commenter
    Katie
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 12:03PM
    • The sound of laughter you can hear is coming from reading your "Comment".

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:49PM
    • @Katie, election is coming... If it was today, who'd we get? Abbott? Gee... options are really bad at the moment. Independent of who is up there, the paralysis will remain for a while, corporations still run freely.

      Commenter
      Julio
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:03PM
  • The time has come for all MPs and senators concerned about the PM's competence to lead, to resign from any front bench positions.

    The party, the part leadership and the public need the PM's team to be united behind her in order to have even a tiny chance at an election victory.

    In addition this will show the leadership just how many senior party members have the sense to know Gillard can't lead the ALP to victory.
    This should prompt Gillard to reconsider whether her leadership is untennable.

    Rudd is no longer a possible replacement for Gillard but Gillard still has to go... this is likely to be the focus of the media commentary next week.

    Nothing has changed, Gillard still cannot win.

    Commenter
    A Bodhi Nuisance
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 12:01PM
    • Don't worry Bodhi she will go on Sept.14 and so will her running mate Swan Dive who won't even end up in opposition, because he couldn't hold his own seat.

      Commenter
      Cha
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:53PM
  • PM's office comment on Bowen's Resignation

    "The Prime Minister also acknowledges his conduct in offering his resignation was honourable."

    SMHs bolding said it all, the resignation was honorable - his conduct as a Minister, especially all the white-anting, not so much.

    Commenter
    Simon
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:54AM
    • I think you mean 'alleged' white anting... Rudd supporters have often been accused of underming the govt, but frankly many people see it as little more than a scape goat to distract from poor decisions and shambolic leadership.

      Commenter
      A Bodhi Nuisance
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:21PM
    • I would like to thank Chris Bowen for his work in particular as immigration minister during his time in that position. We now have more boats, more economic migrants, more asylum seekers, more drownings , more hunger strikes, more so called expert panels, overcrowded detention centres, world wide condemnation from amnesty international and we are of course way way over budget. Great job Bowen, maybe you and Rudd can go into business together. Or perhaps you could join Australias favourite C grade celebrity, the Duddster and set up your own party, the Bigger Australia party. ve us more laughs

      Commenter
      Genghis
      Location
      Lounge
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:49PM
  • Why would Rudd have wanted to take over before an election that couldnt be won? I believe his strategy was to stay in the wings until the inevitable defeat in Septmber & then take the leadership. He could then rebuild the party as a hero/saviour rather than being tainted by defeat.

    It follows that he was not prepared for the spill yesterday & was genuine in his refusal to stand.

    Commenter
    Merrick
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:53AM
    • Agreed. Nowhere have I seen Rudd make a challenge. Crean was hoping a spill would make him deputy leader, and he got sucked in by the media speculation about a challenge. He saw the hype and thought he could take advantage of it.

      Gillard comes out of this looking better, she showed strength and guts. Rudd looks bad, and rather unfairly. Abbot still looks like a petulant schoolboy throwing insults at a superior rival.

      The big loser here is Crean, and rightly so. A bad apple who has now ended his rather sad career on a smelly note.

      Commenter
      RAT
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:24PM
    • Rudd didn't have the numbers, he knew it and so did his supporters, very simple.

      Commenter
      Faye
      Location
      Surrey Hills
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:54PM
    • @RAT, labor is a rabble. They hate each other and can't work together. There is no talent for labor in the lower house and only Penny Wong has a semblance of intelligence in the upper house.

      Tony Abbott is fast becoming the best opposition leader Australia has seen - we know this because most of the insults and dirt thrown at him were also thrown at John Howard before Howard became PM.

      The more the left screech about Abbott and beg for Turnbull, the more the coalition know they have the right person as leader.

      The big difference between labor and the coalition rught now is labor is a rabble and has been for 4 years, whereas Abbott has kept a unified team working together for 4 years in opposition - a monumental task.

      Abbott is ready for the top job, and he has earned it.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:02PM
  • It's likely going to take Abbott a full term to clean up the national mess that Julia leaves, and longer to clean up the debt.

    How long it takes Labor to clean up the internal party mess she leaves is anybody's guess.

    Neither will be able to start until she's gone, we all hope that's soon.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:53AM
    • @"hac ka"

      Are you predicting a first for "Slick' Abbott.

      First he has to win the Prime Minister job, he's failed once.

      "First" again he has to clean up the mess, "Slick" Abbott has had no experience at this because all the Ministries that Howard gave him he left in a mess.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:18PM
    • Yeah and Abbott would probaby take a full term to do any cleaning up cause of his own incompetance. Though of course he will sack public servants, especially those at the top

      Commenter
      ccb
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:21PM
    • Hacka: again I ask you & your ilk - what exactly is this "national mess" all you Gillard-bashers keep parrotting on about??

      Commenter
      djpoh
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:36PM
    • The libs can just sit back until Sept to waltx into office, Gillard and Labor are killing themselves.
      As my job is to character assess and profile I though analysing J Frazer would be fun.
      Traits:
      Textbook attention seeker
      Underdeveloped maturity
      Marginal self belief issues.
      Profile:
      Most likely an immature female in her early 20's seeking attention, with limited political knowledge.

      Commenter
      Profila
      Location
      Syd
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:46PM
    • @J. Fraser:
      For goodness sake, enough with the "slick" thing. It's getting extremely tiring.

      Commenter
      Davo
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:52PM
    • Djpoh - people of “our ilk”, being voters, see the following messes, in no particular order:

      • The $267 billion debt
      • The collapse of border control and visa programs
      • The carbon tax
      • The budget
      • Industrial relations
      • The NBN
      • Business and consumer confidence

      Although on a brighter note, Gillard has provided a much needed boost to the Comedy industry in Australia, perhaps that’s where last month’s jobs growth came from.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:43PM
    • "hac ka"s idea of "comedy" is unemployed Australians.

      Suggest you ask for help from the Gillard government "hac ka" you are getting worse.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:22PM
    • @ccb

      I agree, incompetance.

      Commenter
      AllMSMedia'sFault
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:37PM
  • So Chris Bowen has moved to the backbench...Simon Crean moved to the backbench yesterday...I wonder how many more will do the same?

    I understand Julia Gillard is proving her mettle by standing her ground as PM but there is no one who thinks Labor will win with her.

    Yesterday's result will not stem the tide of loss for Labor. For the good of the ALP and the good of Australia, Julia Gillard has to step down and let Kevin Rudd assume the leadership.

    Commenter
    antony.waltho
    Location
    Katoomba
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:49AM
    • I think Prime minister Julia Gillard will win with a majority of 10 seats.

      So your "Comment" has absolutely no veracity.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:20PM
    • I also think she can win. But there is little doubt that she SHOULD win. Her team is all quality. Stack it up against Abbott, Bishop, Pyne, Hockey...

      Commenter
      Deipnosoph
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:35PM
    • The only thing that astounds me more than this latest fiasco is how J.Fraser gets any of his/her comments through the filter. Constantly bagging everyone, making inane references to "slick" and generally talking anyone else down who happens to disagree with his/her viewpoint. I for one, would get a whole lot more out of the discussions, if they weren't interspersed with slick this and slick that. It just lowers the tone of what could be a genuine forum.

      Commenter
      Lizzar
      Location
      Qld
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:00PM
  • Stop this circus and set elections in April instead. People have made-up their minds to vote LNP. Nobody is listening to Gillard and everyone is sick of the 'sick' party.

    Commenter
    Joey
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:47AM
    • Nobody is listening to Gillard? I wonder if the many people in here defending her like being called nobody?

      Take your blinkers off, and look at the whole picture instead of just the bits you want to see..

      Commenter
      Balance
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:29PM
    • Yes i will take my blinkers off and see that only 30% want this government. 70% don't listen.

      Commenter
      Joey
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:57PM
  • So despite the clear evidence that a large portion of the country is watching them in disbelief, they have chosen to reject Rudd again, on the grounds that they like working with Gillard and they hate Rudd. They seem to need to feel good about themselves and their leader if they are going to be able to get anything done. And they would apparently rather be in opposition than govern with a leader with whom they feel no affinity. Is this some kind of new breed of labor politician? Who gets to choose their boss in this world? How would they have fared under Keating, with a patent Italian leather shoe inserted till it toed their tonsils every time the mood took him? Take him to Fair Work? I’m looking at you and your ilk, Nicola Roxon.
    And when is someone going to follow up on that little tidbit from yesterday about the hidden polling that came through on the eve of Rudds demise in 2010?

    Commenter
    Gilligan Zyland
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:45AM
  • Astute "The Pulse" commenters will notice that there is no "Comment" at 10:50 am.

    There was one but it was taken down because it the "Commenter" was indulging in identity theft.

    The Pulse, along with Fairfax Media discourages that behavior.

    And I applaud the employees of Fairfax Media.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:45AM
    • Probably an early April Fools joke.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:21PM
    • @"SteveH."

      And that type of response highlights why "Slick" Abbott will never be Prime Minister.

      The "Slick" Abbott cheer squad fails the test again.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:38PM
  • Must be great to have John McTernan carrying your luggage, and you said he was useless SteveH.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:45AM
  • For goodness sake, I'm really, really fed up with all this. All so many people have been doing lately is salivating over gossip and drama and completely ignoring real reforms that are happening in this country.

    The press and therefore the people are just blind to some of the very important reforms and issues that the Labor Party achieved and brought to fruition just yesterday: The National Disability Insurance Scheme, increases in the pension to 3.2 million Australians, the apology for forced adoptions, and yet again improved jobs figures. And that's just in one day.

    All of you who are critical of the government can do is join the scrum, metaphorically rubbing your hands in glee at what you perceive as the real excitement in Canberra. While this circus is being whipped up into a frenzy we are not talking about the real issues of government. Meanwhile Tony Abbott is not being pushed at all to talk about the LNP's policies because he can hide under the skirts of the circus that you are making of events in Canberra.

    We have an election soon. We must be able to compare policies of both parties, and soon. In the meantime stop sinking to the superficial and over-excited level of the commercial channels and shock-jocks.

    Commenter
    pol
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:45AM
    • touche

      Commenter
      djpoh
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:38PM
    • What a stupid comment. If you have nothing intelligent to say - pehaps you would come out looking a little smarter by saying nothing. Just a thought.

      September 14 - Clean up Australia Day

      Commenter
      JFL
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:44AM
    • What a stupid comment. If you have nothing intelligent to say - pehaps you would come out looking a little smarter by saying nothing. Just a thought.

      September 14 - Clean up Australia Day

      Commenter
      JFL
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:44AM
  • Good to know McTernan is still with the Prime Minister. No doubt the Prime Minister will want to try and convince us she is a qualified engineer when she 'inspects' the road.

    Commenter
    Nulla
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:41AM
    • He better watch out! His 457 visa might be revoked under the new Gillard scrutiny. Does she really think only someone from the UK has the political nous to save her?

      Commenter
      luke
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:58AM
    • Luke
      There is no one in the country that would want that job. When Gillard is defeated badly Mc Ternan will sail off into the sunset and away from all the abuse that will come post election.If an Australian was doing the job after the election they would not be able to get a job any where but inside the sheltered workshop that is the ALP.

      Commenter
      tom
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:34PM
  • Good on Kevin. They say revenge is a dish best served cold - well, I bet he's having quite a time right now watching a party that knifed him in the back going to hell in a hand basket.

    Commenter
    expat
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:40AM
    • I agree. People keep commenting on Rudd not challenging. He said he wasn't going to, and he stood by his word, like Julia never has. Kudos Kevin. You also make a good point regarding revenge. Why on earth would Kevin want to take the helm of a ship that has no direction but straight towards rocks. Why would he want to cop the wrath of the public voters for all of Gillard's stuffups. The best revenge will be watching her and her incompetent government get annihlated at the election, whilst he retains his own seat, smiling, as he always does :)

      Commenter
      shiyoganai
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:56AM
    • He would have to turn away from the mirror to do that.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:58AM
    • @shiyoganai - wow, what a "team player" you are! I'd hate to be one of your work colleagues.

      BTW - I love it when obvious Coalition voters express sympathy for KRudd - like they really care!

      Commenter
      DR
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:10PM
    • I can't wait for September 14 to see if the strong fiesty Gillard has got the guts to take on the role of Australia's next Opposition Leader or she will just fold and resign as Leader of the ALP.

      Commenter
      Cha
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:25PM
    • @DR if your workplace resembles Labor party in any way I'd say many people would stay as far from it as it was possible.
      Admit it - having Rudd as a leader Labor would simply "lose the election", no biggie. With Gillard's leadership it's now in its way to wipeout and total annihilation - just like NSW and QLD state governments. Kevin did the best he could - told his colleagues, very politely, as usual, to deal with it.

      Commenter
      expat
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:39PM
  • Labor needs to move away from leadership elected by the Caucus - we have technology to allow the members a direct vote as to leadership of the party.

    The time to implement these reforms is now before the LNP do.

    Labor needs to prove they are the party that speaks for the people of Australia. The public feels cut off from the Labor machine; Changes like this will offer their supporters a real say as to the leadership that represents them.

    Commenter
    antony.waltho
    Location
    Katoomba
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:39AM
  • Simple, if you don't like the current Labor party and its left leaning then vote it out.

    If you prefer the Labor party that was more balanced previously then you will need to come back in a few years once they have rebuilt it after the union dominance is blamed for the major election defat that is coming.

    Rudd is no good, Gillard is no good, Swan is punching well above his weight and the old guard is not willing to take the leadership as demonstrated yesterday.

    Can't wait till Hawke/Keating rip into this party after Sep 14 which will see it cleaned out and rebuilt based on updated Labor values and good reform.

    Commenter
    Opinion Only
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:38AM
    • And yet there remains a cavalcade of ex-union bosses in the line-up to lead the party. When will they ever learn?

      Commenter
      luke
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:57AM
  • In relation to the alleged tweet from Mr Mitchell, you have repeated a comment by them that they suspect that 'mischief' was afoot from Coalition MPs. Do you have any evidence for this, or are you simply repeating a slur on behalf of Mr Mitchell? If the latter, how is that different to repeating an allegedly fake tweet?

    Commenter
    StLucia
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:37AM
    • Hear Hear!

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:49AM
    • Please no more Labor sycophants.

      Commenter
      justone
      Location
      vic
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:36AM
  • In my view Mr Rudd is a wrecker. He will go on and on trying to wreck the Labor Party as he is furiously angry at what happened to him. He doesn't admit he is angry and is a wrecker or that nobody wants him. It doesn't matter if Julia is called a liar or makes mistakes, everyone does that at times. The Australian people will forgive her, but Rudd will not. The Labor Party needs to understand that he is doing this, not until they acknowledge it will the Australian people forgive and forget.

    Commenter
    Schofield
    Location
    Belgrave
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:35AM
    • Rudd is streets ahead if Gillard on every level...on simple "Honesty" for one. We can't afford to have a narcosistic bully running the country. Surrounded by a bunch of fools like Swan, Conroy or whoever is left over after purge number 2. Gillard is on strike number 172, yet caucus still do nothing. Labour can't govern themselves.

      Commenter
      Tabitha
      Location
      Melb
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:28PM
  • In 10, 20 years' time, Gillard will be viewed as another Whitlam - a genuine reforming government, but so disorganised that the reforms were buried by later goverments (coal tax?), not implemented properly (Gonski, NDIS), or were unable to work out how to implement them (eg Conroy's media bills).

    Whitlam has the end of the White Australia policy, bringing the troops back from Vietnam, and basic universal health cover [Medicare].
    Rudd had the Sorry Speech.
    Gillard will have ... TBA

    Commenter
    BalmainBoy
    Location
    Castle Hill NSW
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:33AM
    • Gillard will have - First Australian female PM. But that will be coupled with Worst Australian PM (across both genders).

      Commenter
      shiyoganai
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:41AM
    • Already Prime Minister Julia Gillard has accomplished more for Australians than either of these 2.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:00PM
  • As for the idea that Rudd should resign? Well slinking off after being stabbed in the back may be some people's style.This is also not a gender issue. Its broader and did you know that policy cant be passed from the opposition benches. Abbott has to fool no one the ALP is imploding

    Commenter
    G Sacramento
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:31AM
    • Rudd would be a fool to resign, he's one of the few Labor ministers that will retain his seat, probably with a % swing increase.

      Commenter
      shiyoganai
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:39AM
    • Rudd din't bring on the spill, Crean did. As far as I can see Rudd did nothing wrong here.

      Given that Crean has been helpfully destabilising the party through keeping the leadership debate in the news with his repeated calls for unity and whinging about destabilisation... there is only one person here with unclean hands and it isn't Rudd.

      Commenter
      A Bodhi Nuisance
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:50AM
    • Its possible Rudd will resign, but I think it only be from the Parliamentary Labor Party, not the Lower House. In true Machiavellian fashion these 'Senior Party professional Politicians' have absolutely lined themselves up for his final shot. Election in July anyone?

      Commenter
      Scooter
      Location
      Kam Berra
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:16PM
    • @G Sacremento 'Policy' and 'reform' has been the ALP buzz-terms for several years now. Its a deliberate tactic to suggest that Labor is the Party of achievement. Like most propaganda, its a myth. It also ignores that fact that Australia needs just good solid governance at the moment. The Australian people, moreover, are tired of 'reform', talk of 'reform'.

      Commenter
      davidbru
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:32PM
    • The old stabbing in the back story is "yawnful" to say the least. He was a self interested tyrant who became a serious problem and was ousted, no differently to the changing of the guard in any party who thinks their leader has lost the plot. However, the main difference with this situation, is that the ousted was given a position in Ministry and he chose to use it, to try to destroy the entire party which shows just what a narcissistic personality he has and why we are glad he still is not back. It will make such a difference now, not to have those lemmings feeding off the party and giving i to the lemmings in the media who are just as bad! I am thrilled with the policies that have been passed for the common good, at last everything is not about the wealthy and some commonsense is prevailing,much to the upset of the neo conservatives and their mates at that other media organisation.

      Commenter
      mibs
      Location
      Clifton Hill
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:34PM
  • He is the MOST incompetent out of all the ALP Ministers - Just look at the mess we have ended up with the Illegal Immigrants - Over 2,000 a month and counting.
    He also states that he will Win the seat of McMahon. Well Chris I'm in your seat and I will NEVER forgive you for voting for the LIE that is the Carbon Tax.
    You are just as bad and Julia

    Commenter
    Phillip
    Location
    Abbotsbury
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:30AM
    • @phillip to be fair, it's not entirely Bowen's fault that his time as immigration minister was such a farce. Labor rolled back an already immensely successful Liberals policy. Australia can still be a compassionate country whilst protecting its borders against free-loading boat people. Genuine asylum seekers will always be welcome. The truth is though, that most are not genuine, they are queue-jumping freeloaders.

      Commenter
      shiyoganai
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:43AM
    • Chris Bowen has probably wanted to quit since he was given the poisoned chalice of immigration, he has done the right thing. If a couple of doomed ALP backbenchers get offered a better deal elsewhere, the whole show is over.

      Commenter
      bg
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:49AM
    • There was no Lie on the carbon tax.

      The Labor party took Pricing Carbin to three (3) elections.

      Gillard GOT IT DONE.

      She said she didnt want a carbon tax, BUT SHE WOULD PRICE CARBON through an ETS.

      THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE!

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:49AM
    • Fair suck of the sauce bottle mate - he was just implementing Julia's failed boat policy of let them come.

      Commenter
      brian
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:50AM
    • I have always wondered how Rudd was to blame for the GFC, and how Fony Abbot would have dealt with it... easy when you are on the other side and dont have the ability to spend any money to criticise the other side who have no choice but to do so.

      Likewise, I am still tryng to work out the difference between a 'LIE' and a 'NON CORE PROMISE'.

      Honestly, it seems so many libs are completely oblivious of the fact that Fony Abbot is making a huge number of promises that he has no chance of keeping. The numbers just dont add up, and how long have we been asking for a breakdown of how he is going to repay debt without raising taxes or cutting services, and not receiving an answer?

      When he gets elected, which I expect he will (though it scares the crap out of me), I will savour the exposure of every lie he has ever told.

      Gillards only crime is being hard as nails and having a voice only a deaf person could listen to without cringing. Given the total lack of co-operation she gets from the opposition, and the constant personal attacks from a so called Christian, I am astonished at just how successful she has been in getting through so many pieces of legislation.

      I'd rather back the sex party than Fony Abbot. If you want me to vote for the libs, bring back the only honest man you have, Malcolm Turnbull. If you cant do that, I will have to take second best and go with Labour.

      Those here claiming they vote for parties, not leaders, have their head in the sand. The party will always reflect the leaders views, and Fony Abbot is dangerous. 'God' help us all..

      Commenter
      Balance
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:12PM
    • Phillip , re the boat people a couple of facts you may not be aware off
      1. We are a continent and have plenty of SPACE we need to develop said space,not just dig holes,use the opportunity the circumstances offer ,food canning ,hydroponics new city ,china can do it ,egypt can ,israel can and have ,why don't we ,200000 people can be easily relocated ,we dont need camps ,give them work and increse our GDP
      2. We have created the boat people issue ourselves,are you aware that in the late 90's early 2000's we conducted a crack down on illegal fishing (indonesian sailors using sextants and stars for navigation) who drifted into our territory , got towed to Rotnest and boat destroyed ,then they were sentenced to Jail time ,upon release they were extradited home the only prisioners in civilised society that recieved zip ,no money,once arriving home they get a visit from the BOAT owner wanting compensation which can never be payed and is passed on generation to generation ,given a choice they then HAD to accept people smuggling , so we created the problem , all we needed to do was give them a opportunity to survive , create a industry ,but no we had to Grandstand. Maccas in Jakarta is /was the Travel agency. Our Redneck attitudes in the west have much to answer for

      Commenter
      ignorance is no excuse
      Location
      melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:18PM
  • Gillard used the same tactic as last time to try to stampede Rudd, this time it did not work. The ALP are headed into the storm with the Red Headed Valkyrie singing loudly. However the ship will hit the rocks of the public and Gillard will be the worst labour loser since Gough lost in 1975. She clearly cares only for #1. Rudd will simply be leader of the opposition and the one to try to rebuild the ship.

    Commenter
    G Sacramento
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:28AM
    • Rudd won't be leader of a Scout Troop after this conflagration of egos.

      Commenter
      Louis Cypher
      Location
      hades. missouri. land of the free
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:38AM
    • You seem to forget Labour's trump card and the real possibility they will get back in - TONY ABBOTT.

      Commenter
      Frank
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:40AM
    • You don't indicate what gender you are...but let me guess......with the "red head" comment you are a male misogynist. Women have to be sooooo perfect in your eyes, but men don't. If Tony Abbott is half the woman she is, he'll be OK.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:42AM
    • One would hope for the sake of democracy that Rudd will be leader of the opposition again, Gillard's rabble army is unfit for any purpose, the only qualification that interests them is "unflinchingness" ie say anything at all, regardless of any relationship to the truth, deliver it in unflinching style, that's what they want.

      Commenter
      bg
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:53AM
  • Rudd is going to remembered up there with Costello as woulda coulda shoulda

    Commenter
    a don
    Location
    sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:27AM
    • I doubt that he will ever "aspire" to those lofty heights.

      He could play second string .... just like the "Slick" Abbott cheer squad.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:38AM
    • I just regret that I only have 176 days of watching J Fraser on the rotisserie of his own stupidity. I only come to Fairfax to see his inept buffoonery and will feel robbed after election day.

      Commenter
      Slick
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:35PM
  • The election was called way too early. I guess it was to weed out the Rudd supporters, in the inevitable test of loyalty to the PM. This has happened and fizzled to an anti-climax. And I am sure that any minister that resigns now to "save their skins" the Australian public don't really care about, and we will forget they existed soon enough. We know that people are quite sick of this hung parliament and the perpetual badgering and vitriol as a result of it. We are tired of the same faces, (Gillard & Abbott), treating the public and bored press gallery as their emotional play things.
    If we are to treat the election as a presidential style race, then why aren't we replacing the party leaders with the more fresh faced. Someone with a winning smile and a voice that warms our hearts... that's all the majority of the voting public are interested in... fleeting emotional highs. Not the boring policy, or the countless laws passed which will endure.

    Commenter
    Sonny Inkerman
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:27AM
  • Shouldn't the Labor Party now adopt the Coles jingle "Down and staying down" as their new election prpmo theme tune?

    And I winder if J. Fraser Queensland is the same person as D.J Fraser Mudgeraba who used to dominate the letters pages of the Canberr Times.

    Commenter
    peteract
    Location
    Gold Coast
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:26AM
    • No and no.

      Use Spellcheck next time.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:39AM
    • @"peteract"

      Just in case you didn't get it the first time.

      No and no,

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:48AM
    • Eye have a spelling chequer,
      It came with my Pea Sea.
      It plane lee marks four my revue
      Miss Steaks I can knot sea.
      Eye strike the quays and type a whirred
      And weight four it two say
      Weather eye am write oar wrong
      It tells me straight a weigh.
      Eye ran this poem threw it,
      Your shore real glad two no.
      Its vary polished in its weigh.
      My chequer tolled me sew.
      A chequer is a bless thing,
      It freeze yew lodes of thyme.
      It helps me right all stiles of righting,
      And aides me when eye rime.
      Each frays come posed up on my screen
      Eye trussed too bee a joule.
      The chequer pours o'er every word
      Two cheque sum spelling rule.

      Commenter
      thirtyoct
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:03PM
    • @"thirtyoct"

      No.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:27PM
    • peteract
      He is the same J Fraser that sends in comments to The Australian but he of course deny that as well.

      Commenter
      seen it
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:38PM
    • Humble apologies for my mis-spelling - mea culpa.
      I am actually a grammatical pedant who depises poor spelling and punctuation.

      Two excuses:
      1. The oft-used letters on my keyboard have worn away and are hard to see - by the way, why can't I buy new keys instead of a whole new keyboard?
      2. The "your comments" section typeface is a bit faint - hard to read as I am typing.

      Apologies to J. Fraser Queensland for confusing him with D.J. Fraser of Mudgeeraba, but given the remarkable similarities in their political views and locations, I thnk it was an understandable misconception - I now stand corrected.

      Commenter
      peteract
      Location
      Gold Coast
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:40PM
    • @peteract

      It may come as a surprise but I do not go out of my way to insult "Commenters" here in Fairfax Media, I just give back what I get.

      Through advertising here in Fairfax Media I am looking at Asus computers because mine too is getting a bit long in the tooth.

      I will stick with a desktop though because I prefer speed and that is why I support NBN.

      I haven't had anything to do with Murdoch's "The Australian" for a couple of years now and that will not change.

      If I do post "Comment" in Queensland it is in the Courier Mail where the Digital Editor has allowed me my own signature which the impersonators have been unable to copy ..... after "John Fraser Queensland" look for a small a with umlauts above it.

      That will be me.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:01PM
    • @peteract

      Here is an example of a "Comment" that I made to The Courier Mail, they just posted it today on an article from yesterday.

      http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/editorial-federal-labors-wars-of-division-waste-a-nations-time/story-e6frerc6-1226602018590

      The Murdoch media is as slow as an 80 year old.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:46PM
  • Julia Gillard is a great PM and a very nice person - it is such a pity the same cannot be said of Kevin Rudd.

    Commenter
    zacca
    Location
    adelaide
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:26AM
    • Agree again with you zacca.
      PM Gillard is one of the best.
      My estimations of her increase by the day. The way she handles dire situations with such a cool head and grace.
      One great Australian, why people are so tough on her astounds me.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:55AM
  • All of them are a tremendous waste of taxpayers money. If we weren't paying for it it would be laughable.

    Commenter
    russ
    Location
    melb
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:26AM
  • Well it has been said many times in history and by many wise men and women that a country gets the government and politicians it deserves.

    What does that say about us???

    Commenter
    SarWen
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:25AM
  • I belive Mr.Rudd should form a new Labour Party called 'iLabour'..

    Commenter
    Raman
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:22AM
    • More likely to call it "My party".

      Everyone knows the rest of the song so don't start crying now.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:36AM
    • Most appropriate song after yesterday's ALP fiasco would be "Ship of Fools".

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:51AM
    • Yes, seems like there is more (a lot more)than one "i" in Labor after all, which is a shame for team Australia.

      Commenter
      iVote
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:55AM
  • Carr should also do the honourable thing, but he won't. As for Latham blaming everyone for Labor's woes except Gillard and Labor itself - no wonder he remains irrelevant.

    Commenter
    dexxter
    Location
    melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:20AM
  • Blah blah blah... Leadership.... Blah blah blah.

    Call the election already.

    Commenter
    Rainier Wolfcastle
    Location
    Location Unknown
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:20AM
    • September 14 2013.

      blah blah ... "Slick" Abbott.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:41AM
  • You can always note a dying Government based on the number of trips to the Governor to swear in a new Minister. Maree Bashir was a real pro at doing it for the last NSW State Government and it would seem the GG is getting plenty of practice now too.

    Commenter
    Tank
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:19AM
  • Fishermen and other people who have been opressed by Mr Bowen, rejoice! Not much longer now until we throw these incompetent fools out of office.

    Commenter
    Doug
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:18AM
  • For those who want relief from the overwhelming sameness of the Press Gallery groupthink, have a look at Mike Steketee's article in the Global Mail and Barrie Cassidy's comment piece on the ABC website, as well as the Anne Summers article on Fairfax.

    Commenter
    Whyalla Wipeout
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:18AM
    • Please no more Labor sycophants.

      Commenter
      justone
      Location
      vic
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:36AM
  • @sleepingoneyeopen
    There can't be a bye election now that a general election has been called. At least it keeps the punchdrunk monk and his Crusaders out of power untill September. The thought of compulsary mass for all just apalls me.

    Commenter
    Blanik
    Location
    orthern Country
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:18AM
  • Kevin Rudd showed he had the ticker of a broken watch by not running.

    As a result the coalition have the best of everything now - a labor government implosion caused by a totally inept leader and cabinet, a more inexperienced labor front bench leading into an election caused by the rush of sackings and resginations, an even more divided labor caucas, and the coalition looking great by comparison.

    Even better - labor supporters are claiming it was caused by the media LMAO. Seriously, if you guys don't get it, we're not going to explain it to you.

    Worst. Government. EVER!

    Commenter
    kp
    Location
    brisbane
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:18AM
  • what possessd simon crean yesterday , you'd think he would have made sure he had the numbers before doing what he did. he now looks a complete fool and a traiter..gillard could wipe the floor with all of them which she proved yesterday. politics wasn't meano be easy , you have to have the guts to make hard decisions, and gillard has guts . she won't fall on her sword for anyone. she's what we need a strong feisty woman. she has copped far more crap than she deserves .don't let abbott make a fool of you all by getting in to the lodge by doing absloutely nothing to prove he will be a good pm. i don't know what he stands for ,do you lot. please enlghten me if you do

    Commenter
    judy
    Location
    central coast
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:14AM
    • He's a typical Labor politician.

      Other than that there is no
      rational explanation.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:23AM
    • Judy, fully agree with you as Margaret Thatcher one's said "the lady is not for turning".

      Commenter
      Viking
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:26AM
    • LOL Crean did it to get away from the poison that is Gillard. All those who are trying to save themselves are distancing themselves from her plain to see for most people

      Commenter
      Andrew
      Location
      Essendon
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:34AM
    • Gillard persuaded Crean to do what he did yesterday. In the morning Crean was confirming complete and utter support for Gillard, so she got him to do 'the dirty' on Rudd.
      Rudd knew he didn't quite have a caucus majority so he didn't challenge - Rudd risk diminished, and Crean will get a big cheque in the post.
      Gillard has zero integrity, and if you sadly believe she is what we need in Australia, then like the ALP caucus, you too are so totally out of touch with reality.

      Commenter
      MG2
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:35AM
    • One of my female friends messaged me yesterday this quote, but added "she's for turfing." My friend is spot-on.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:38AM
    • Judy, do yourself a favor, and educate yourself, for your family's and the nation's sake. Otherwise you will be left behind.

      Commenter
      Harry
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:43AM
    • I think his reasoning was genuine. He wanted it out of the way quickly, or Labor would continue to bleed. Clearly Rudd's lack of courage surprised him.

      Commenter
      Simon (no not Crean)
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:48AM
    • Judy, I am sick and tired of hearing what a fiesty woman this PM is. If you are feisty for the wrong reasons, it is not to be applauded.

      Commenter
      John of Melbourne
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:43PM
  • All these resignations are very honorable. Cathartic even.

    If Rudd was honorable, he would have resigned from parliament when he lost the leadership. Instead, he has been stalking the PM for 3 years.

    Maybe she will now get the clear air she needs to sell all the great achievements of this :Labor party and shine a light on the oppositions negativity and lack of vision for Australia.

    Commenter
    Steve
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:14AM
    • +1

      Commenter
      pol
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:29AM
  • Watching Labor self immoliate is the best free entertainment going around. Hurry up Tony Abbott. Australia needs you and don't worry about the intelligentsia that keep deriding you here. They created this mess themselves by voting for Rudd and then Gillard in the first place 'NUFF SAID!!

    Commenter
    Mondostef
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:14AM
    • If we need him so fast, can you tell us what we will get? I don't know, maybe you have inside knowledge! I would want to know what I'm getting before I buy a bomb (car)!

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:23AM
    • I second that question. What are we going to get with Tony Abbott as PM? I am yet to see a policy other than vague and crazy ideas about 100 dams being built....somewhere......

      Commenter
      DR
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:43AM
    • What an easy question to answer. You're not going to get any of this mess. You're not going to get Gillard, Swann, Rudd, Crean, et al. But go ahead. If both of you are stupid enough to vote for Julia Gillard who is sending this country broke, spending $70 Billion on an NBN that can't be delivered, useless insulation batts, THE CARBON TAX, treating our borders like arrival lounges, proposing looney tune legislation like Controy's media laws, I could go on you know, then go right ahead and vote for them. I guess you are part of the 29% of rusted on deluded ALP voters that refuse to open up your eyes. Don't mind the rest of us, we'll be cleaning up your mess.

      Commenter
      MondoStef
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:41PM
    • Mondostef,
      Your opinion is based on 'opinion' journalism and no actual facts.
      Get yourself a broader education.
      Even the LNP supports the main thrust of an NBN, the LNP actually supports all the policies currently attached to boat people. The LNP actual has a policy that takes your tax and gives it to big business to save CO2.
      Where's the main difference between the parties?
      I am going to find the back flips from a LNP post Sept 2013 to be hilarious.
      Watch and wait mate.

      Commenter
      Econorat
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 5:10PM
  • Talk about diversity at the SMH. If you look at the analyses of the various journalists put forward by ms Peatling, they are characterised by saying the same thing in different ways.

    The only genuinely different take that I could see on the Fairfax website is Anne Summers's article - and Stephanie has not gotten around to pointing to her contribution as I write.

    For those who want a different view, here is the Summers article:

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/judgment-of-history-will-be-kinder-to-pm-than-tv-news-cycle-20130321-2girw.html

    Commenter
    Whyalla Wipeout
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:13AM
    • WW

      You are right about one thing. It is a view

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbpurne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:29PM
  • If Julia is so keen to talk policy, maybe she could explain how and why NBN Co. is missing its targets faster than it can revise them down?

    Commenter
    AdamC
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:12AM
    • adamC\why don't you read the news or go to the NBN website to see why.
      It's got to do with one or two subcontractors unable to build enough forces to roll it out. but that will probably change as momentum builds up.
      BTW, The NBN is not connected to or run by the government of the day.
      Therefore your question makes no sense.

      Commenter
      Econorat
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:31AM
    • Err, Econorat can you please explain the massive cost blow out in the NBN. The ALP put the original bill at around $40b - this is now been found to be grossly optimistic. I'm tipping a cost closer to $100b. It's another example of the incompetence and poor management skills of the ALP. It'll make the Vic desal plant look like a good deal.

      Commenter
      D.Nic
      Location
      Frankston
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:15PM
    • Econorat, labour shortages are hardly going away for NBN Co, nor were they ar all hard to predict. Ultimately, the NBN is spending billions of public dollars to, supposedly, provide some kind of a service, hopefully within the next decade.

      At the very least, the government should replace the NBN's board and management if the incumbents are not able to build a broadband network.

      Commenter
      AdamC
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:57PM
  • You shouldn't have had to apologize for that Steph., Labor politics and the statements coming from Labor politicians are now so surreal anything is believable.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:09AM
    • I agree, Pulse has no need to apologise. You were trying to do your job, and were honestly taken in. Sincere credit to you for apologising, Stephanie.

      On the less serious side, yesterday's fiasco was both baffling and hilarious! Some of the best free entertainment I've had in a long while.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:26AM
  • PM Gillard run the country fairly well under a minority Goverment. 400 lesligations
    Have passed, pension welfare increase
    Done more than any Goverment during two years. Why depise her so much.
    Maybe she is a woman with guts.

    Commenter
    Wendyv
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:07AM
    • @Wendyv

      What's not to despise about "a woman with guts" who happens to be on the other side of politics?

      Commenter
      KIlljoy
      Location
      Sinny
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:19AM
    • then again maybe she is a rubbish p.m who happens to be a woman??

      Commenter
      hodster
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:20AM
    • Because us young people have to pay the immense debt that Labor run up the last 4 years. I think by the time this Gov is voted out the Fed debt will be $275B+. Add that to the State debts and we are in serious trouble.

      Commenter
      Liberator
      Location
      SEQLD
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:20AM
    • Maybe she is in control of the treasury,it's amazing what you can do with 250 billion of borrowed money.She was put there by the unions and she does their biding or you could she is a union stooge !!

      Commenter
      justone
      Location
      vic
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:25AM
    • A feisty woman will always get my vote over a weak man.

      Commenter
      zacca
      Location
      adelaide
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:30AM
    • Just because you pass legislation doesn't make it all good. Get over the man v woman factors and take each bumbling act made by this government that doesn't make up for 50 good pieces it may have done.

      Commenter
      WhatThe
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:06PM
  • It's a credit to Rudd that he was able to see that it was the Liberal driven media tricking him into another challenge.

    It's a discredit to the Australian people that they are so misogynistic that they can't see what a great Prime Minister we currently have.

    Commenter
    I give up
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:04AM
    • So all Australians hate or dislike women? maybe you should talk to my female partner and see what her thoughts are on such a devaluing statement.

      Commenter
      Liberator
      Location
      SEQLD
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:22AM
    • @I give up Your comment is so silly, I don't know where to begin. I guess you are indicative of the type of politically illiterate voters that remain in support of Gillard. At least I learned that much.

      Commenter
      davidbru
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:30AM
  • The big question is whether Rudd will stop white anting Gillard? If he is the sociopath he appears to be he won't but his apostles must now realise that he's not the messiah, he's a just a very naughty boy and should be expelled from the ALP for his years of undermining Gillard (pre-election leaks anyone?)

    With one hurdle out of the way Gillard can now focus on Abbott. I doubt Abbott's MSM backers will now give Gillard any clear air but if the public get an inkling of what his policies will do he'll be dead in the water.

    Commenter
    Prang
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:04AM
  • Still can't decide who I dislike more, Gillard or Rudd. The only real difference between the two is that she's got balls!

    Commenter
    Prosno
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:03AM
    • That's easy - Abbott!

      Commenter
      John B
      Location
      Ryde
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:14AM
  • Peter Hatchet has spilt ink on his hands....now time for proper analysis.

    Commenter
    benco
    Location
    Fitzroy Nth
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:03AM
  • At the end of the day Gillard has more balls then Rudd and Abbott combined. The journalistic profession has been heavily invested in a false campaign either with complicity in misleading the public or duped and they also must take a portion of the blame. Rudd has systematically tried to destroy his own party through an underground media driven campaign before the election and for the last 2.5 years. I have no issue with his ambition but by any measure he is a deceitful coward. Gillard has been pillared for challenging Rudd (and winning) but she never run a campaign in the media and she fronted him face to face and told him she would challenge, The damage to the Labor Party is squarely at the feet of Rudd and a small band of malcontents. For all the critics of Gillard and the Government not one has been about the substance of policy. She should bare criticism for some of her judgement calls but she does not have a majority government and was being undermined by selfish, self absorbed individuals. The fact is we have seen the last shot of a political coward, and we will now see how well the policy coward Abbott fairs. By any measure the critics of Gillard have been over the top and almost exclusively avoided the policy debate, The leadership issue is dead no one will back Rudd again he showed once and for all why he was cropped in the first place he is self absorbed and will jettison even his friends for his own end. I bet there are a few Labor Pollies regretting being part of his megalomania, spin and deceit. Those media supporters of Rudd are busily trying to justify the support but the spin only hides the reality.

    Commenter
    Don
    Location
    Geelong
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:01AM
    • Hear, hear....right on the money!

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:11AM
    • How true

      Commenter
      ccb
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:12AM
    • I dont want 'balls' I want competency in leadership that encourages confidence and investment in my country and thus growth and jobs. Gillard is totally preoccupied with her own position at all costs and she has zero integrity in so many peoples' minds at home aboard. For the sake of the country, we should vote now.

      Commenter
      Marc1960
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:30AM
    • How sexist ....If a coalition supporter said she has balls there would be outrage. All it shows is she wants to remain in power and screw everyone else ...
      Roll on September so we can \get rid of her

      Commenter
      midcoast
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:34AM
    • A classic case of "never let the facts get in the way of a passionate argument". If we want to talk about political cowardice, how about this - Kevin Rudd was politically assassinated by a back room cabal who cared so little for their party and so much about their own ambitions, that they were quite prepared to destroy a Prime Ministership and trash the reputation of the ALP, rather than front the PM and convince him to change his managerial style. Gillard was a prime mover in that cabal,in it up to her armpits, and when "anointed" as new PM, had the gall to play the innocent, loyal lieutenant reluctantly "drafted" into the task of "saving the party". And guess who was one of the key players who pressured Rudd and convinced him to walk away from the carbon emissions trading scheme, the key action which caused his poll ratings to slump - you guessed it, Dear Julia! Not to mention the endless denigration and personal abuse heaped on Rudd by this same cabal when he had the effrontery to try and regain the position the Austarlian public had elected him to.

      The Gillard government has shown some competence in office. However, she and her cronies all have political tin ears and couldn't sell a duck in a raffle!!

      So after 53 years of being a loyal Labor voter, I am finally totally disillusioned and left with the melancholy choice of voting Green or Informal !

      Commenter
      Kerry
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:46AM
    • I agree!

      And she has got the Big reforms done!

      Perfect? NO.

      Better than Abbott and Rudd COMBINED? YES YES YES

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:51AM
    • We have this already ..."encourages confidence and investment in my country and thus growth and jobs." evidenced by the high Aust dollar and good economic credentials under Gillard.....what more can you want? What has she done THAT bad? I don't get it?

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:51AM
    • totally agree (& very well expressed). To Marc1860, it is you & your ilk who PRESUME that the PM is selfish - if I was PM & selfish I'd have been cozying up to all those powerful vested self-interest groups (think Mining interests & the media) she has spent a lot of time trying to negotiate important reforms with, suffering enormous and constant public acrimony and abuse in the process. You call THAT selfish??

      Commenter
      djpoh
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:58AM
    • Thanks Don - so good to hear someone making sense and not just attacking the PM as usual...

      Commenter
      Kyliem
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:02PM
    • Gillard is a popularist non-leader. The Silver bodgie could deliver nothing but promises and remain popular. Gillard can deliver the world and will stay unpopular. One reason is the question everybody asks. How would you like Gillard as your deputy? Not for her to say "I'm resigning as deputy and moving to the backbench from where I will challenge" You see everything you think you are saying about Rudd, you are actually saying about Gillard except she did it all from a position of trust.

      Commenter
      queen takes rook
      Location
      melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:07PM
    • Ms Gillard has "balls" you say. Well Carr is still in the cabinet so that dismisses that theory.

      Commenter
      Graeme
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:53PM
    • Agree. Like all commercial enterprises in this country the media exists at the behest of the community. The expectation of the community in return is that the media act professionally, responsibly and prudently in their position of influence and power. They have significant obligations beyond their shareholders. Recent experience demonstrates that the media does not treat its responsibilities to the community with diligence. It is not sufficient to suggest that people switch off. If consumers are being provided with information that is incorrect or worse still, misleading and deceptive, as part of a business transaction, they are able to seek legal recourse. It is not sufficient to say don't buy the product or service. Once the deception or misinformation has been perpetrated it is too late. The current disciplinary regime has repeatedly demonstrated it is totally inadequate when it comes to protecting the interests of the community. The media is alone in our community in being entitled to self regulate and this self-regulation has proved repeatedly to be inadequate in protecting community and individual interests.
      Not one reporter, commentator or news service challenged the misinformation regarding the latest Gillard Challenge that was being fed to them, making their reporting of the situation totally unreliable and not based on fact. Damage to individuals and our institutions results. Not all of it easily repairable. It erodes our institutions. Sometimes this dismantling is necessary, so when it occurs it must be the result of a rigorous and honourable attitude to fairly representing facts. Journalists and the media have a critical role and responsibility to the community they serve to maintain ethical and professional standards which are put under significant pressure with competing agenda such as power and influence. This is why legislation is necessary and long overdue.

      Commenter
      Seriously
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 5:01PM
  • So Coalition MP's are up to mischief, writing tweets for Labor MP's.

    How low they stoop

    Commenter
    ccb
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 11:01AM
    • still have not reach the depths of despair found in Labor

      Commenter
      James
      Location
      Kootingal
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:51AM
  • The determining factor as to whether the disunity will continue or not will be the regular published polls from now till the election. I suspect it will be the same as before - pretty dire. I can't see how the polling is going to get any better for Gillard and her clowns if in the past 24 months it has been demonstrating an LNP emphatic win. Many in Labor keep blaming Rudd and his supporters for the destablisation, but they forget that such doubts about Gillard's leadership has been self inflicted. If all the poling was consistently positive for her and Labor, Rudd would not even be in the picture. But she rather lead Labor to a rout and put Abbott in the Lodge. As the weeks go by and if the polling does not improve (I suspect it won't), the despair amongst those who supported Gillard will be palpable. There will be desperation but it may be too late by then.

    Commenter
    GSM
    Location
    Chatswood, NSW
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:59AM
  • Wait until next week's poll result and it will all start again....

    Commenter
    stealthbomber
    Location
    Victoria
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:54AM
    • If only we had that much respite.

      The creaking aged Murdoch media is working itself up to have a stroke and that's only 1 day after the event.

      Just wait for the weekend to arrive.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:13AM
    • The Labor power broker and former Senator Graham Richardson writes for the Australian. Who owns that newspaper. Perhaps J "sick" Fraser you need to read some articles from the other side that are not biased.

      Commenter
      Goodbye JF
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:23PM
  • Given that Rudd is independantly wealthy, on an Ex PM pension with all the lurks AND the only Member from QLD likely to win back his seat the question now is:
    Does he need the Labor Party to survive? Revenge is a dish best served cold so will he cross the floor in 6 weeks time? I would. It would mean the mass extinction of some major Labor players with a single shot.

    Commenter
    Scooter
    Location
    Kam Berra
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:53AM
    • Your comment typifies what is wrong with many Australians. money, what on earth makes you think that money is what drives all people.
      Have you ever thought about social justice, equality, about what makes a good society? And why some people give their lives to making others better.
      We are more than an economy, we are a society as well.
      Kevin Rudds personal wealth has nothing to do with his desire to see a more equitable and just society. Good grief, open thy mind.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:02PM
    • @A Country Gal, Sorry you think I am focused on money, I think you misconstrued my statement. However if you are looking for a fair and equitable society then you will need to remove the Human Politik from the equation. Humans throughout history have only ever manouvred politcally over the control of resources, call them what you will. If you really think this is about what is best for society, the people and democracy then that is up to you. I prefer to take a more cynical view of the shenanigans and reduce it to what does the individual gain? Its much more fun that way. And unfortunately more accurate.

      Commenter
      Scooter
      Location
      Kam Berra
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:30PM
  • We all know Abbott will sell us out to Billionaires. Alarm Bells are ringing no ones cares. Better Vote the devil we knows.

    Commenter
    Old Mary
    Location
    Westie
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:53AM
    • ah the old class warfare.Where do you think the money comes from TAX and a great amount of that comes from business large and small ,your socialist dream is a failure.. The billions gillard slashes about is our money (tax) I will quote clive palmer the more profit we make the more tax we pay.No wonder business's are closing down ,the unemployment number is false most jobs in the latest figures are part time 50,000.No one wants to hire full time workers because of the unions control of this government and all requests for more control are granted by their PM. So look and you may see?

      Commenter
      justone
      Location
      vic
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:14PM
  • All very well saying Gillard has the support of the party BUT not the people who didn't vote for her as PM and won't come next election. Labor has now shot itself in both feet.

    Commenter
    jetlaggedagain
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:51AM
  • We're now united screams Labor, this matter has been solved. Really? Bowen said this morning half the caucus don't support Gillard. What a united Government Julia.

    Commenter
    Surfer
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:51AM
  • It's sad to see principled and talented people like Crean and Bowen turfed out of the leadership group, while duds like Swan and Conroy remain on the front benches.
    Oh wait, I must be a captive of the Murdoch press to think that way...

    Commenter
    MarkC
    Location
    Adelaide
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:49AM
    • Spot on MarkC, her lack of judgement in allowing these two serial dribblers free reign is just symptomatic of her (non) leadership skills.

      Conroy's antics particularly just about took her to the precipice yesterday and yet he is still there. A strong leader would have punted him long ago before it got to the incompentence of the media reform package.

      Today is a false dawn for the PM and Labor anyway, it will be the same old same old before too long.

      Commenter
      Otwen
      Location
      Hiding until it's all over
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:47AM
  • So Gillard remains the ringmaster of the flying caucus circus having sacked a star clown. Rudd turned out to be a frozen dud, failing to fire from a cryogenic state as the first cryo ten pin ball because the pins had been hurriedly taken away by Gillard. Well what more could we expect from a spill that had four and half hours minus question time to get organised? The old Politburo members would be proud that union autocracy had won the day with nary a phone call made by Fitz the whip master to muster support for the frozen man. Not since those immortal words of ‘peace in our time’ were carelessly uttered can we believe that the circus is finally over.

    No the circus continues with multiple resignations from the sawdust ring of little confidence: Chris Bowen, Ed Husic, Janelle Saffin and Richard Marles resigned from their positions and Fitzgibbon has indicated he will also resign. Gillard has sacked Crean from the arena for being an honest broker. These mass no confidence in Gillardism underline the tentative grasp of reality of those who continue with the circus.

    Will reality finally dawn on the independents that integrity demands an early election so we the electorate can send the circus and its shoddy band of players into political oblivion?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:49AM
  • I think Kevin Rudd should form a new Party called 'iLabour'

    Commenter
    Raman
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:48AM
  • Why would Rudd want to step up and 'save' the party the colluded to over throw him, knowing the party is headed for annihilation next election?

    May as well sit back, play the 'party man' and watch the ship go down, only to humbly offer his services in the aftermath?

    It's all just a bad reality TV show...

    Commenter
    Educated Citizen
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:47AM
  • I just do not get Labor MPs. This was the second chance they had to dump Gillard for Rudd and they blew it.

    What do they think is going to happen? That Gillard's strategy of saying one thing and doing the exact opposite will suddenly start to work? That her vicious smear campaign against Tony Abbott will magically start making voters want to to give her and Swan another three years to finish the job of wrecking the place?

    Commenter
    AdamC
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:47AM
  • Bowen is a failure anyway. Should have think twice before he gang up on PM.
    Now all the sob sob story.karma
    Glad he move aside and stay there .

    Commenter
    Gerry
    Location
    Cornerstone
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:46AM
  • So Bob can understand why an honourable man resigns, but doesn't see it as necessary! Guess that is his let out clause, except that HE isn't honourable obviously.

    Clearly the Rudd camp counting him as a certain lost vote because he was out of the country was a mystifying mistake on their part.

    Commenter
    Riverman
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:46AM
  • She is persistant.
    Most people dont want Julia as leader of the Labor Party,most dont want her as the P.M and i would imagine most of us dont even want her as an Australian. Lets all throw in for a one way ticket.
    She has made Australia the laughing stock overseas and she has retarded womens righrs in this country by 25 years
    and how long is it going to take to pay back this massive debt? here we go again

    Commenter
    David @ lennox
    Location
    Lennox Head
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:45AM
    • I want her as the PM David. And she has advanced womens rights by highlighting passive aggressive sexist behaviour (shame Julie Bishop can't do the same) and I'm not the only one by the way. Speak for yourself and know this- my vote will cancel out yours!

      Commenter
      scarlett123
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:08PM
  • If you would like to send me your address J. Fraser of Queensland, I will send you a can of WD40 to overcome your so obvious complaints. That and the name of a good optician, The rest of your problems only you can address much like the ALP.

    Commenter
    bored with your rubbish
    Location
    Se Qld.
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:43AM
  • Comments saying Gillard has affirmed her leadership ignore the fact that nearly half the party was willing to dump her. They all know she is electoral poison, it's just that the majority of them hate Kevin Rudd even more.

    When Richo was asked why som many in the party hate Kevin his answer was simple .. "They've met him".

    Commenter
    harry
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:42AM
    • The Pulse 10:59am

      Whilst your mea culpa is appreciated it is also a reminder that people (look at the "Slick" Abbott cheer squad) should take everything in the 24/7 news cycle with a grain of salt until it is confirmed.

      Confirmation of what "Slick" Abbott said in the Great Hall of parliament yesterday can be found here :

      http://media.theage.com.au/news/national-times/abbott-heckled-during-apology-4128264.html

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:06AM
    • "Slick" Abbott got the gig from Peter Slipper's vote.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:08AM
  • Ahh but this is not the end. This is just the beginning of the end. Justice will be served at and or before the next election. The issues has not gone away. The party cannot ignore the overwhelming statistics in favour of Rudd as leader, no matter how much some might not like that reality.

    Commenter
    Davo
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:42AM
  • After two years of Abbott trash talking the Independents,now all of a sudden he is crawling on his knees to them asking them to join him call an early election...can you believe the hide of this bloke..talk about hypocrite!

    Commenter
    Steeden
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:41AM
    • Maybe if "Slick" Abbott shows them his policies and tells them he is a different person from what he was 30 years ago.

      Oh ! and promises not to sell any of his body parts and Australia.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:53AM
    • No crawling ,just saying what the majority of your fellow Australians want,and end of this farce.Think how much more damage will be done with six months more of this union government.

      Commenter
      justone
      Location
      vic
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:05AM
  • What an appaulling circus.
    Delaware is absolutely right...these people are not paid by taxpayers to spend their time squabbling and jockeying for power amongst themselves. And some think they deserve an increase! They don't pass any reasonable performance review.What a waste of money and time and opportunity this crowd have squandered.
    Simon Crean deserves our sympathy for having being lumbered with having to deal with these self-serving, self-advancing wanna-be's. His press call yesterday was very revealing, and spoke volumes of obvious frustration. Reminded me of a despairing parent or elder who knows the kids are out of control, but are so lacking in insight or real world experience or knowledge they're obvlivous to and reject outright any sound advice, so determined are they to get what they want...at other people's expense..in this case the people of this 'nation'.
    As an aside. What is it with this term nation? I thought Australia is a country?

    Commenter
    pen
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:37AM
    • Rudd is just an exceptionally poor 3 time loser.

      So is Pyne.

      And Barny Joyce can join them.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:49AM
    • A nation is a group of people sharing common interests. A country is the territory they inhabit.

      Commenter
      Libretto
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:04AM
    • What a load of rubbish you sprout.

      Remember that Howard was voted out of office only a few short years ago because he was doing such an appalling job?

      Go take a cold shower

      Commenter
      Master Blaster
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:05AM
    • The only thing Crean deserves is a Darwin Award.

      Commenter
      Bogue
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:36AM
  • The Inner City Latte Party for Public Servants has imploded.
    What a shame. Kev 0 Lemon !

    Commenter
    Bozo
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:31AM
    • Where does that leave the Liberal Newslrd Party (LNP).

      Australians are very underwhelmed with the "Slick" Abbott" LNP.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:50AM
    • Bozo should co-ordinate with Gerard Henderson a bit better. Sort out whether your "inner city latte sipping public servant" votes Labor or Green. And, more importantly, accept that the vast majority of supporters of both those parties don't live in the inner city, are not public servants and drink many other beverages apart from coffee.

      Commenter
      Greg Platt
      Location
      Brunswick
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:53AM
    • Look up the word cliche, bozo. Then look in the mirror.

      Commenter
      Sonny Inkerman
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:58AM
    • J 'Clueless' Fraser is at it again.

      Commenter
      John Halen
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:16AM
    • It seems that inner city party for public servants has done an excellent job managing the economy (one of the strongest in the world), or maybe you would have preferred a recession in your part of town?

      Commenter
      Charlie Mclean
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:16AM
  • The hypocrit Carr has slithered back to an even more diminished PM, a purge in progress, and a nation salivating at the prospect of an election.

    Only the intellectually enfeebled would take comfort in this disaster.

    Where are you j.fraser?

    Commenter
    Louis Cypher
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:30AM
    • '@Louis Cypher Love that phrase, 'intelllectually enfeebled'! Certainly very apt desciption of the Labor cheer squad.

      Commenter
      davidbru
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:54AM
    • Why isn't CARR resigning he backed Rudd?

      Commenter
      ASPROELLA
      Location
      merrimac
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:10AM
  • Well that was Fed Labor's last shot.

    I for one, don't welcome our new LNP Overlords.

    Commenter
    Mark S
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:30AM
    • The PM described Tony Abbott as a weak man - I agree.

      Commenter
      zacca
      Location
      adelaide
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:28AM
  • I have no problem with the power brokers who have kept supporting Rudd resigning from prominent positions.

    It will give others from the back bench time to move up.

    The problem will be that the power brokers supporting Rudd are not going to stop, even from the back bench. We have already found the disunity that keeping Rudd on any bench has caused.

    Commenter
    ccb
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:29AM
    • This is all Gillard's making by stabbing Rudd in the back. What did she expect? She has total disregard for the voters.

      Commenter
      luke
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:39AM
    • luke, so if Turnbull staged a challenge to Abbott it would be Abbott's fault?

      Commenter
      ccb
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:53AM
    • Rudd should resign (or not stand at the next election). That would completely remove the tension so the party can regroup and focus on 'the thongs that batter' (sorry Alex Downer).

      Commenter
      Libretto
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:07AM
  • Governor General HELLO????

    Commenter
    WHERES THE GOVERNOR GENERAL??
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:28AM
    • She's sitting quietly at home reading the Australian Constitution - which you should do to.

      You might learn that as long as the party led by the Prime Minister continues to have the numbers in the House the Governor-General has no justification to intervene - whether or not she wishes to.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:37AM
    • Here's "Slick' Abbott's echo.

      Wait for ..... ha ............... ha ......... ha.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:39AM
    • What has the GG got to do with ALP infighting?

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:41AM
    • Well may we say God save the Queen, but the Governor-General has nothing to do with it.

      Commenter
      David Morrison
      Location
      Blue Mountains
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:48AM
    • @ J Fraser - yes, he's laughing all right - all the way to The Lodge. Less than 6 months to go.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:09AM
    • J 'Clueless' Fraser is at it again.

      Commenter
      John Halen
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:17AM
  • Tony Abbott is sitting in his office laughng his head off. he will walk into the Prime Ministership and wont have to lift a finger or produce one policy to do so. You all voted for KRudd like he was the masiah saving Australia from the Libs and now you will vote for Abbott on the same premis. The undeducated australian public relying on the media to make their decisions for them is the problem here.

    Commenter
    karen
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:27AM
    • Crikey, so you speak on behalf of all Australians. Are you the PM or the GG?
      Damn sure I won't be told to vote for Abbott by anyone.
      If anything the ALP should use this to strengthen.
      The media are the real big losers in this fiasco. All that speculation and bias imploding.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:02AM
  • Why don't the independents now put their names into history by helping to put Gilliard & her lemmings out of their misery instead of they being drowned slowly? More merciful this way.

    Commenter
    Watcher
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:26AM
    • @country dill So the media called the spill? Your ignorance is mindblowing.

      Commenter
      davidbru
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:35AM
    • david brute, who's the dill?
      Haven't you worked out yet where the reply button is to a comment. Repeatedly your "replies" are located on the next post!
      so who's the dill?
      Besides I much prefer fennel, it's milder than dill.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:41PM
  • It is not too late. Come on great people in the ALP - do us proud. There many of us out there who still believe in Labor and dread the thought of a coalition government. Abbott does not matter either way - remember Malcolm is waiting!

    Commenter
    leen
    Location
    Manly
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:24AM
    • Malcolm- the man who officially announced he was leaving politics. We want someone we can trust.

      Commenter
      David Morrison
      Location
      Blue Mountains
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:00AM
  • Bowen is a decent man and has done the right thing to distance himself from Gillard.The people who say they did not like some of his decisions,should remember he was implementing Gillards orders.She is the reason their political party will be in the wilderness for many years to come.

    Commenter
    justone
    Location
    vic
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:23AM
  • No Mr Carr, Australians want to see Kevin Rudd as Prime minister and Labor refuse to listen to Australians.

    Commenter
    Will
    Location
    Victoria
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:23AM
  • My only regret is that all this carry-on increases the chance of a Liberal victory in September. I don't care who leads Labor - I've never voted for them and I never will. I maintain, however, that the worst Labor Government is better than the best Liberal Government. What disaster awaits us if Tony Abbott becomes PM? I don't see the media doing much to get that question answered.

    Commenter
    Greg Platt
    Location
    Brunswick
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:22AM
    • Can you tell me why you love Labor ? Is it worth your love ?

      Commenter
      Albert
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:54AM
    • Greg if Labor nuked the place and then plowed salt into ashes you'd still be posting that 'the worse dead donkey is better than a live horse' nonsense.

      Frankly it explains perfectly why ordinary Australians don't trust whatever lunar left party you do vote for to pick litter up off the streets never mind run a chook raffle.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:58AM
    • Albert wants to know "why I love Labor". If he'd read my initial post properly, he would have seen his assumption is incorrect. I hate Labor - almost as much as I hate the Libs.

      The problem that Albert, SteveH and co have is that they can't get away from the proposition that if you're unhappy with what one major party is offering, your only alternative is the other major party. In reality, the worst things about both Labor and Liberal are things they have in common, not what separates them.

      My solution does not lie in Parliament. It lies in workers seizing control of their unions* from the Laborite bureaucrats running them and building a movement that can take on capitalism itself. We can do it without a political party and we must. The alternative to Libertarian Communism is nuclear barbarism. Not this year, not next year, but some day sooner than many might think.

      * Oh - and, in the process, building unions which are much more attractive to the workers who are presently ununionised.

      Commenter
      Greg Platt
      Location
      Brunswick
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:37AM
    • Sure Greg, just keep flogging
      that dead donkey.

      One day he's going to jump up and win the Melbourne Cup.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:26PM
  • Rudd is right. Let the pipe piper leads the lemmings to drown first.

    Commenter
    Watcher
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:21AM
  • Oh no, where's Hartcher going to get his inside scuttlebutt now?

    Commenter
    Autocrat
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:15AM
    • Don't worry, there are plenty of other white ants in the party.

      Commenter
      Hasbeen
      Location
      Umina
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:45AM
    • Hahaha to both !!

      Commenter
      DIDI K
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:29PM
  • The ALP - less a Party, more a cobbled-together work drinks on a Monday when everyone is driving.

    Commenter
    sjr001
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:15AM
  • Gillard claims that the business community has confidence in her - what rubbish. She chooses to ignore those business leaders who went public today with ther concerns and as someone in the industry they are correct; there is no confidence in Gillard or her government. We do not even get responses when writing to ministers - hopeless.

    Commenter
    dexxter
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:14AM
    • And just why wouldn't the business community support her Dexter? She is in charge of a very good economy. one of the best in the world! A credit rating to die for!
      The business community are showing a lot more sense than you Dexter. You would hand this all to a man who is a self confessed liar who admits he would put his faith to one side if he got the top job? If there is any rubbish here it's coming from your pen!

      Commenter
      Creeker
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:44AM
    • There will always be pro- and co- factions in anything in life. Some business will support Gillard, others won't. She, like the Libs, focus on what suits their needs...i.e. their 'supporters'.

      Commenter
      Paulie72
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:55AM
  • How much room is left on the lifeboat for the rest of those who will be quitting? What a shambles is this government. The only thing that will sort it out once and for all is an election but of course Gillard will hang on regardless of the damage that is being done to Australia.

    Commenter
    Robbo
    Location
    Mt Eliza
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:12AM
    • Robbo: Can you please explain what you mean by "the damage that is being done to Australia"??? IMHO there actually is NO damage - we have a Govt which has negotiated minority Govt status to pass critical legislation (Carbon Emissions Trading, NBN, Mining Tax, NDIS etc etc) as well as setting up truly important commissions of enquiry (Education, Murray Darling Basin etc etc) and has guided us through the worst financial crisis since the depression and helped make us the envy of the world. In fact what people overseas CAN'T understand is why the Govt is so despised, especially when they look across at the Opposition & see nothing there!!

      Commenter
      djpoh
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:31AM
    • oh, it would also seem to have escaped your attention but Bob Carr took up our nation's seat on the UN Security Council last Tuesday - clearly we are an INCREDIBLY "damaged" country.....

      Commenter
      djpoh
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:50AM
    • @djpoh

      Do you really believe that?

      Australia is going broke. there is no work, and we all know it. Labor have destroyed Australia. Naval gazing with ridiculous, useless policy when real policy is needed.

      Commenter
      JohnB
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:53AM
    • @ djpoh - And how much did we spend to get that seat, which is only temporary? Senate Estimates last year heard that it could have cost up to $500 million. That money should have been spent on **genuine** foreign aid to people who are really suffering. Typical ALP story: waste of resources and totally stuffed-up priorities.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:45AM
    • actually JohnB I do & couldn't disagree with you more. We are not "going broke" at all - our Budget position is one of the best on the planet (& don't be fooled as most seem to do by relentlessly negative Tony Abbott's $300bn Gross debt - the keyword being "gross" as it takes NO account of revenue) and our employment figures over the last three years have actually shown quite solid growth (unless of course you choose to believe it's all part of some ludicrous Govt conspiracy??)

      Commenter
      djpoh
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:46AM
    • Dear Tim: how small-minded & myopic you are. Any idea how much we spend on health, welfare & defence ALONE in this country??? Even if your quoted $500m is correct it is insignificant by comparison and a small price to pay for such a great honour for our nation & voice in world affairs.

      Commenter
      djpoh
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:47PM
    • @ djpoh - I didn't say anything what we are spending in this country. I said that $500 million would have been better spent on actually helping suffering people. If that is "small-minded & myopic", then I would prefer that than your desire for "great honour". I believe it is far more honourable to actually help people in a lasting fashion, not waste money on New York gigs with only limited tenure.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:28PM
    • @@ djpoh

      You're dreaming.

      Wages are going backwards, the only reason we haven't collapsed yet is because of the short sighted massive spend on garbage by the government. Irresponsible and incompetent.

      Commenter
      JohnB
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:50PM
    • Tim: My point is this - we as a nation already spend $250 BILLION on Health & Welfare. $500m (which btw is still YOUR figure, not mine) is but 0.2% of that so the benefit of diverting that sum into those same areas is marginal at best. John B: I obviously don't know your particular circumstances but wages for the lowest paid in this country have actually gone UP (as a combination of increased income tax-free threshhold plus Carbon Tax compensation) under this Government & inflation is still low at 2.5%. Yes, our utility bills have gone up but, despite what the tabloid press want us to believe, this is NOT mainly due to the Carbon Tax but rather to, inter alia, necessary ongoing maintenance to aged infrastructure. And no, I'm NOT dreaming at all.

      Commenter
      Djpoh
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:55PM
  • If slippery Carr grandstands about a great Gillard victory I think I will puke. If he announces his resignation I will think he has finally grown a backbone.

    Commenter
    Riverman
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:12AM
    • Your'e easily pleased.

      Why not try for something really hard ... like a policy from "Slick" Abbott.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:26AM
    • Because I'm a rationalist J Fraser and don't expect the impossible.

      Commenter
      Riverman
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:49AM
    • Good reply Riverman.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:10AM
  • Shouldn't he always have done and still do what's best for the nation, and his electorate, not "the party"?

    Commenter
    Frank
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:10AM
  • Oh god, please, not the Gettysburg Address again Bob.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:09AM
    • You could have a rest.

      Make things a little easier for me.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:18AM
    • Funny! You nailed him SteveH.

      Commenter
      Riverman
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:20AM
    • You must be getting exceited J Fraser - the sooner Labor are consigned to electoral oblivion the sooner you can write your book on how they would have ben just fine if they'd just followed your advice.

      PS: you didn't mention Slick Abbott in that post. Is the pressure dragging you off message ?

      Commenter
      sjr001
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:30AM
    • Quote J Fraser: "You could have a rest. Make things a little easier for me."

      You can have a long rest after 15th September. In the meantime, give the "Slick" references a rest. The only thing that's "slick" at the moment is the floor in the ALP party-room - slick from all the blood that's spilling...

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:55AM
  • Bowen seemed like a competent bloke, constantly overridden by a PM on a leaky, sinking boat.

    Is this the low point for Gillard Labor ?
    Surely it can't get worse.

    By the way good job yesterday Pulse, busy day.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:04AM
    • I agree Hacka - Bowen seems like a reasonable bloke who has laboured at a job whose policies he was never really down with. He put in huge hours for little reward other than Jools sending him out to the press for another media flogging every time the ALP immigration policy got shot in the head time & time again.

      Commenter
      Smack
      Location
      City of the Fallen
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:26AM
    • Bowen had a hard time, working for someone that he clearly did not like, and polcies that he did not agree with.

      Commenter
      Wendy
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:16PM
  • What nobody can deny is Julia Gillard's immense strength. Many a male would have buckled under the weight of the treachery and personal vilification she has had to endure. I say well done!

    Commenter
    jonel
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:01AM
    • Will you be congratulating her on Sept 15 when she and Swan lead labor to complete oblivion?
      The current leadership is electoral poison and will be wiped off the map at the election. Rudd, rightly or wrongly was their last chance of re-election...nearly 50% of the labor caucus realises this. But the shipped has sailed, Julia is still the captain heading full steam ahead to that massive iceberg that everyone on board the ship can see clear as day.
      Her actions are not to be commended. Gillard serves one person only, her own power hungry ego. She cares zero for this nation, zero for her party, and zero for our future.

      Commenter
      Luke
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:18AM
    • Many people of either gender would have buckled, her being a woman is irrelevant and I fail to see how expecting her to get extra points for it is anything other than condescending - 'Oh look, a functioning female politician. Whatever will they thing of next ?'

      Commenter
      sjr001
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:25AM
    • And all women would've prevailed right sista?

      Commenter
      shemp
      Location
      melb
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:25AM
    • I say hear, hear to this post. Well done to our PM Julia Gillard too. What a brilliant human being we have as leader! Amid all the suffering she has retained a big and full heart. Very good emotional IQ as well as mental IQ. Aren't we fortunate to have a PM like this? Appreciate her everyone.

      Commenter
      Ros
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:29AM
    • A strong woman, being white anted by her own forces, who has been able to push through major policies against a rabid, barely credible opposition and hostile media has my vote any day of the week. Yep, she's made a few mistakes on the way and she often tends to do things her own way - but what strong politician doesn't? This woman has proven she has real strength of character. If and when the iceberg of Sept 15 hoves into view, I'll be happy she's in command on the bridge of the Titanic.

      Commenter
      craven, eh?
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:33AM
    • there is a big difference between being strong or foolish. I see it being foolish, as Julia has done zilch, other than waste time on internal power-plays and poor popularity attempts and destroyed the ALP as party for maybe a decade. What is occurring evidences this clearly.

      Commenter
      brian
      Location
      glenroy
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:34AM
    • My wife is as stubborn.

      Commenter
      AM
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:51AM
    • @ jonel ... you mean "the treachery and personal vilification she has been dishing out" ... her chutzpah is breathtaking ... it is quite ok for her to knife Rudd and continue her treachery (hiding the Kingston poll results that showed his approval ratings have improved on the eve of her coup) ... but it is all indignation and entitled outrage when the shoe is on the other foot ... Gillard's approval rating is almost half of what Rudd enjoyed ... so why don't she practise what she preached ...STEP DOWN because your government has lost its way !

      Commenter
      LindaC
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:57AM
    • Jonel you are right, the personal attacks are worse than anything i have seen before. It is shameful. But the PM has shown remarkable resilience.

      Commenter
      Kyliem
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:44PM
    • I don't normally comment on politics - not really my bag - but I've got to take umbridge with the comment from @Ros "Amid all the suffering she has retained a big and full heart."

      As she has willfully knifed her former leader in the back, given full support to two MPs under investigation by the police and generally lurched from mismanagement to disaster from a policy persective - I'd happily trade her big and full heart for someone that can govern the country - I hope to do so in Sept if not before.

      Commenter
      Mikka
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:49PM
  • Chris Bowen has honour, as do the others that have resigned, now does Rudd have honour? Oh that's right he's a man of his word, he's already behaved with honour....

    Poll in the SMH on who should lead Labor, 104878 votes and counting. Gillard 13% Rudd 36% Crean 9% Shorten 5% Combet 37%. I do believe we have a new contender.

    Commenter
    Riverman
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:00AM
    • some poll choice, a choice between 2 ex ACTU leaders (Crean and Combet) and another wannabe trade union leader Shorten and an ex union lawyer Gillard and Rudd, and that sums up Labor's dilemma at being relevant as a party.

      Commenter
      The Sceptic
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:13AM
  • Labour should have had a night of the long knives when they first took power, way back.
    The undermining by those who dont have it's greater interests at heart have pervaded all. We have Rudd as poor loser and Abbott as poor loser. What are these men on about? How many men out there suffer from being a poor loser?
    You lose some, you win some, in this world. Resilience is a great attribute in life, and thus being able to move on.

    Commenter
    Ros
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 10:00AM
  • Let the electors decide & cut the political crap

    Commenter
    Geen
    Location
    Bundanoon
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 9:59AM
    • That's what will happen on September 14 and on September 15 Prime Minister Julia Gillard will outline another 3 years of Australia going forward under her majority government.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:29AM
    • J.Fraser,

      Will you promise to never post on these forums again if Julia Gillard is not PM after Sept 15 this year?

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:41AM
    • J.Fraser at least you have a great sense of humour.

      Commenter
      WorkingMother
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:42AM
    • The "shoddy" Gallard will outline 3 years of "slick" policy.

      Commenter
      fatdunky
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 4:52PM
  • Surely Albanese needs to go too. He supported Rudd?

    Commenter
    Nick
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 9:56AM
    • Yes, @J Fraser...and the moon is made of swiss cheese. Earth calling Fraser, earth calling Fraser......

      Commenter
      davidbru
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:41AM
    • @Working Mother No, there is no humour or irony there. A village must be missing its idiot.

      Commenter
      davidbru
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:57AM
  • If Gillard was accountable to anyone she'd have trouble explaining how she justified her pay this week. And, frankly, that goes for the lot of them. Why should the taxpayer fund these people playing numbers, creating uncertainty, distracting people with Conroy's media bills, running yesterday's non event, etc.

    The upshot of yesterday was that there was no election, no reaffirmation, no expression of confidence - just a farce. Nothing has changed - except that I doubt anyone will back Rudd again.

    Bear that in mind in future - especially at the next election.

    Commenter
    delaware
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 9:51AM
    • So you didn't listen to her emotive and passionate speech yesterday for Harmony Day, that in itself was worth her wages. The fact she only gave caucus 2 hrs to make up it's mind further demonstrated she wanted the whole fiasco over and done with ASAP.
      No pussy footing around there. So you haven't witnessed how she took over the reins from Conroy to push for the media reforms? She's earnt every cent in particular this week. To be honest I don't know how she does it, quite amazing.
      Wish I had some of that energy, she never runs out of.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:14AM
    • No I didn't "a country gal"... And neither did most of the rest of Australia.

      We have given up listening to the drivel that comes out of her mouth a long time ago.

      Commenter
      Hanging Judge Jeffries
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:39PM
    • Well judge, you should've.
      I listened to Abbotts too.
      And I've also listened to mothers and children that attended The Big Hall for Harmony Day. Very emotive and I guess the reason Abbott was heckled for his Faux Pas.
      What irked me was the leadership fiasco overtook the signifigence of the day.
      Surely they could've had their spill the previous day or last week or last month.
      Highly disresptful and should further apologise.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:30PM
  • Quote "25 years ago I joined the labor party,every day since then I have done what I thought was in the best interest of the labor party,always" end of quote.
    And her's me thinking he was working for the best interest of Australia.

    Commenter
    John McSmith
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 9:51AM
    • As he was saying that I was thinking exactly the same thing. Everything he did was for the unions and Labor party, he could have cared less about doing the right thing for Australia.

      Commenter
      luke
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:02AM
    • They are the same thing! Every great leap forward has come from the Labor Party. You know it's true!

      Commenter
      Kel
      Location
      The Bush
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:14AM
    • Labor party fair enough Rudd has NOTHING to do with it .Gillard started the fraction and continued the fractions by ignoring the people more importantly The Australian people will sort Gillard out in the near future .Crean a Labor man through and through Gillard a Gillard woman nothing else... but NOT my support any more... but I will not vote ABBOT A drovers dog could win the next election only Tony doesn't see it or the liberals week politicians

      Commenter
      Didge
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:56PM
  • Why doesn't Rudd quit his seat of Griffith - would cause a by-election wouldn't it? That'll sort things out properly.

    Commenter
    Sleepingoneeyeopen
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 9:51AM
    • why not 5 or 6 of the rudd supports do that. So much easier to go to the back bench and whistle dixie for 6 months.

      Commenter
      WhatThe
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:09PM
  • I though Earth Hour was tomorrow and April 1st was April ools Day....but the fools had their day yesterday and the lights went out on the Labor Party at 4.30.

    Commenter
    Sam
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 9:49AM
    • Thanks for providing my Friday laugh.

      Commenter
      Andy
      Location
      regional NSW
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:00AM
  • I'm sorry to see Bowen go. He's a decent and bright guy.

    Commenter
    Rod
    Location
    Sutherland
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 9:49AM
  • Slick should be applied to the track leading to the revolving door out of there.

    The last few daysreally do highlight the riole of the media in the Labor Party fracas .... NOT

    Just wondering when the first comment blaming the Coalition for this farce will appear!

    Commenter
    James
    Location
    Kootingal
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 9:48AM
  • Does anyone know where abbott is building his 100 dams?

    Commenter
    Non Daily Trollegraph believer
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 9:48AM
    • Non Daily Trollegraph believer, one dam should be built in the Labor Party room to stop the blood flow.

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Safe Labor seat
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:05AM
    • Robb (the drinks waiter) dropped that 1 after 2 years of mixing.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:27AM
    • Well it can't be in the top end - the topography is not conducive.

      Commenter
      timofaltonagetajob
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:06AM
    • In his imagination and in his propaganda spiels., that's where.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:21PM
    • Visit a hundred farms and you'll see a hundred dams. Dams also mean reservoirs, not just river dams.

      Commenter
      Jason
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:40PM
  • Good riddance to Bowen. Too much ambition, too little judgement.

    Commenter
    Simon
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 9:47AM
  • Gillard is determined to drive the Labor bus over the electoral cliff, and to hell with the party so long as she can stay at the wheel. Problem for Gillard and Labor is that the wheels are falling off the bus & she may not get there.

    This is a debacle. Two selfish individuals who have more spite towards one another than concern for the party

    Commenter
    Little Johnny
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 9:45AM
  • I want to know if abbott scraps carbon pricing and puts his direct action plan in yet electricity bills still rise,what excuse will he use???Can anyone tell me?

    Commenter
    Slipper made Abbott leader
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 9:45AM
    • I think Murdoch has the answer.

      He might have Tweeted it yesterday but i don't follow him .... check with "Slick' Abbott apparently he follows.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:10AM
    • JF, follows orders, you mean.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:05PM
  • Oh dear !

    What is THE Pulse doing here today !

    1 of the "Slick" Abbott cheer squad said nothing was happening today.

    Still, the "Slick" Abbott cheer squad showed everyone how tenuous their hold is on Australian politics .... as well as reality.

    The "Pen" in particular displayed his Pyne attitude.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 9:45AM
    • I agree entirely, Labor has just shot itself in the head. If they were to do the right thing they would call an election today and sort this thing out.

      Commenter
      L R
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:04AM
    • And still the murderous analogies continue.

      Is "L R" a new "Slick" Abbott cheer squad member.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:20AM
    • J Fraser, just an open question for you. Why do you always refer to Abbott as "Slick Abbott", I just don't get it. The guy is anything but slick. If anything he comes across as a bumbling over aggressive fool. Whoever the leader is it won’t stop me voting Liberal because I vote on the general philosophy of a party but I have to say your constant referral to Abbott as “slick” makes so little sense you do sound a bit of a peanut.

      Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/the-pulse-live/politics-wrap-21-march-2013-20130321-2ggsv.html#ixzz2ODiUliuG

      Commenter
      I don't get you
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:33AM
    • Fraser - you'll get a better result if you have a bit of a think before you start dumping words into the comment box, in no particular order, conveying no actual message. Give it a go, better to be 'slick' than 'thick' my friend.

      Commenter
      Weary
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:31PM
    • @ SteveH.

      A fire cracker up your back side at new year eve would shut you up for a while.

      It is a shame we have to wait until the end of year for that.

      Anyone for free speech or a free fire cracker?

      Commenter
      flower power
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:39PM
  • Abbott DEMANDS an early election?..DEMANDS?..so he has NO policies but DEMANDS an early election!!.Do we look like mugs?

    Commenter
    Archer
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 9:43AM
    • Abbott does not need policies. The mining magnets, media barons and other big business leaders will tell him what to do.

      Commenter
      ccb
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 9:57AM
    • Archer March 22, 2013, 9:43AM

      TA demanding an election, does not mean it will start straight away agree by this pathetic Pm, you idiot. It will take a month for it to be organise and be ready.

      Commenter
      Harry
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:06AM
    • I live in hope (opportunity and reward) that "Slick" Abbott will 1 day say ..... election today and here are my policies I will take to the Australian people.

      ha ........ ha ................... ha , as "Slick" Abbott would say.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:08AM
    • Archer, I think you have been living under a rock if you think Abbott has no policies. Just because you disagree with a policy does not mean it ceases to exist

      Commenter
      Mick
      Location
      Mornington
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:19AM
    • Labor has 180 days to attack and dismantle the Opposition house of paper. Now, the air is clear, let's hope they can finally shine some light on TA's woeful lack of financial acumen and kneejerk policy creation. Apart from him being a stooge of big busines, I still have absolutely no idea what this guy really stands for, I only know what he stands against.

      Commenter
      craven, eh?
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:41AM
    • Craven, they need the MSM onside to cast some scrutiny on Abbott.
      Unfortunately I can't see that happening unless Rupert keels over. Even if that were so, they would continue the rapidity in his honour and for his mates here.
      If only Abbott would self combust.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:00PM
    • We are policy and reform exhausted. Just some stable governance required. The ALP use 'reform' and policy as part of their mythology. They are conning their supporters. Most of their ideas are unfunded thought bubbles.

      Commenter
      davidbru
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:54PM
    • J Fraser - from now on I will refer to your beloved Labor Party as the Union Party - a perfect description. So everytime you say "slick" Abbott (whatever that means....), I will say Union Party (at least most people will know exactly what I will be meaning...)

      Commenter
      jane
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 5:00PM
    • We are not yet in election campaigning mode so no party has to announce policies until the election warrants are issued. Do you know anything at all about the election process? I think not.

      Commenter
      Goodbye JF
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 5:10PM
  • Shame to lose the services of a smart, hardworking and decent person in this way.

    Commenter
    Bystander
    Location
    Cremorne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 9:42AM
  • Any more to quit ? What a farce !!! Yes, this is a civil war within the Labor party. Why can't we have an election now !!! PM, it is you to go, not let others to go and keep your position.

    Commenter
    Albert
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 9:37AM
    • We can't have an election now because the Senate has fixed terms. The writs for the Senate cannot be issued before 1 July, which means the earliest possible election date is 3 August.

      Commenter
      Mike
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:53PM
  • Good riddance. I didn't like Bowen's performance in Immigration; perhaps he was getting his advice from Scott Morrison.
    I can't remember him doing anything significant as Assistant Treasurer when Rudd was PM

    Commenter
    stevek
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 9:33AM
    • Another happy Labor supporter assists a colleague with a kick in the guts.

      Nice work stevek.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 9:48AM
    • If the "Slick" Abbott cheer squad were honest they would say that Bowen was propped up by the Unions.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:06AM
    • While I am no great supporter of Bowen, his performance as Immigration minister was hamstrung by Gillard. Bowen was rolled by Gillard in Oct 2011 when he supported opening Nauru. The preceding and subsequent debacle have all been Gillard's doing (Timor solution which wasn't, Manus Island solution that wasn't etc etc.

      Commenter
      Foxxster
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:15AM
    • @SteveH - yeah, I'm sure he felt it, but he's no colleague of mine.
      @Foxxster - garbage. Did you make that up. or what? Bowen formulated the Malaysian solution. Nauru was part of the Pacific Solution that Labor only agreed to when it was recommended by an "expert panel" led by Angus Houston. The Pacific Solution was Coalition Policy and what a disaster it has proven to be.
      I distinctly remember Malcolm Turnbull recommending Labor adopt the Solution and, if it doesn't work, we can blame the Coalition. Well it doesn't work!

      Commenter
      stevek
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:44AM
    • Bowen couldn't get his preferred policy up - Gillard rejected it... so he was left with trying to do the best he could with whatever she wanted... a hopeless task.

      Commenter
      A Bodhi Nuisance
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:10PM
  • So Steph

    Is today "what happened yesterday didn't really happen" day today?

    Commenter
    $keptic
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 9:32AM
    • @"$keptic"

      You wish.

      Looking forward to some more of your "predictions" today.

      How about "Slick" Abbott was heckled and jeered in the Great Hall of parliament yesterday .... but 250,000 Mothers and their supporters still want to vote for him .... that should be about as prescient as you were yesterday.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 9:49AM
    • No today is 'Rudd's supporters get their appropriate rewards' day.

      Commenter
      Simon
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 9:50AM
    • Justice served in the end. Julia and Wayne will go to the election as leaders and face the music. Injustice would have been to pass that buck to a team who could have said "wasn't us 'guv".

      Commenter
      Maxx
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 9:54AM
    • J Fraser

      Went through yesterday's posts and not one mention of a prediction to be found.

      So, do you have a point with your post?

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:18AM
    • $keptic, his point is yesterday never happened, well, at least the way the rest of country saw it never happened.

      In his mind it was a huge win for Julia,
      whose prestige and credibility were greatly enhanced at the expense of 'slick abbott'.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:31AM
    • Bit touchy this morning "$keptic" ... were the cous cous a little off.

      I predict "$eptic" and the "Slick' Abbott cheer squad will not be doing much laughing today due the their Harmony being displaced yesterday.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:41AM
    • Fraz

      The cous cous was the mere accompaniment to a beautiful Morrocan Lamb. Other than that, I am as cheery today as yesterday - my life has far less turmoil than some, possibly yourself included.

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:03AM
    • J.Fraser - even by your standards that's a pretty empty theory. Only a particularly warped mind could look at yesterday and not see it as a MASSIVE victory for Abbott. But who knows what this strange planet looks like through your eyes.
      I guess it's hard to sit and watch a leader you look up to humiliate herself on a daily basis. Best of luck with future idols, hopefully you can choose somebody less 'thick'.

      Commenter
      Weary
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:46AM
    • On the contrary today is an absolute laugh riot. This farcical federal Labor government now resembles the shambolic NSW state Labor government run into the ground by Iemma, Rees and Kenneally. It never had that comparison drawn before, because it never acted in such a way. Yesterday you'd be hard pressed to distinguish between the 2 governments. It's going to be a landslide in September. Wally Wipeout!

      Commenter
      shiyoganai
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:49AM
    • J Fraser I could not be anymore excitied that JG is still in charge with Rudd they stood a chance... Look at all the Labor guys trying to distance themselves from the poison that is Gillard. Why would Rudd run for the PM job why not wait be leader of the oppostion and JG and all her backstabbing mates wont be there!

      Commenter
      Andrew
      Location
      Essendon
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:50AM
    • @"Skeptic"

      I noticed the word "unctuous" was used in Tony Wright's (Fairfax Media) article today.

      Perfectly describes your last "Reply".

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:52AM
  • When Julia Gillard is finished trashing
    Labor, could she please turn the
    light on the hill off.

    Its only adding to global warming.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    March 22, 2013, 9:32AM
    • Didn't "Slick' Abbott say "climate change is absolute crap" ?

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 10:17AM
    • The light needs to stay on so Tony can plant a tree and pretend he is doing something about climate change.

      Commenter
      Don
      Location
      Geelong
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:04AM
    • JF do you ever intend to explain what "Slick" Abbot means, nobody out here in blog land that knows what you are on about. You are like the graffiti vandals that spray nonsensical scrawls everywhere, is that your "other job”?

      Commenter
      morph
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:11AM
    • @morph - Just like the graffiti artists weapon of choice, the spraypaint can, JF has the death rattle rolling around in his empty cavity too :)

      Commenter
      shiyoganai
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:45AM
    • J Fraser, I like how you bag Abbott for having no policies, yet all you do is snipe the same lines on the comments of others.

      Commenter
      sjr001
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 11:57AM
    • Morph, you are actually getting closer to what JF is on about than you realise.
      Getting warmer, cold, warmer, warmer- remember that game.
      You are nearly there.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:03PM
    • @morph

      I know exactly what J.Fraser means when s/he refers to TAbbott as "slick".

      He is sliding right on through this contest with absolutely no examination by the mainstream media, with no policies, and with no substance. He does doorstops and press conferences where he reads from a prepared script and then literally runs away from journalist's questions, to avoid scrutiny. He is rarely questioned and never held to account for his lies and contradictions, - of which there are many.

      Commenter
      DR
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:07PM
    • There is something truly revolting - indeed vile - when a renowned hater of Labor and all its values like SteveH talks about 'trashing the Labor Party'.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:14PM
    • @morph: I think J.Fraser honestly believes he is being clever in giving Tony Abbott a nickname that only he uses and frankly makes no sense whatsoever. He actually has gotten to the stage where his dellusions about the government outweights his perspective of reality. Either that, or he is employed by Labor to sit at the computer all day and make 'comments' about 'how good this government is' and 'how a Liberal government would mean the end of the world'. You have say it is quite entertaining and sad to see someone is so consumed with Labor and Tony Abbott.

      Commenter
      tatiana
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:18PM
    • @DR

      Good comment.

      But there is more.

      Why is it that the "Slick" Abbott cheer squad can't even get to the point that you are at ?

      Oh ! I know, silly me .... still it is the day after Harmony Day.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:23PM
    • Actually because there are multiple definitions of "Slick" take for example (smooth in manners, speech, suave) every time JF refers to Abbott as "slick" he is giving him a compliment and putting him on a pedestal, particularly when he is being compared against Gillard the Bogan.

      Commenter
      GB
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:39PM
    • Whyalla, thats the problem with this country, people like me can get away with saying what we like.

      And people like you can't stop us.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:44PM
    • J. Fraser of Queensland aka J. McTernan of Canberra.

      Commenter
      Sloppy PR
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 12:56PM
    • Why is that a problem SteveH? We live in a free country with free speech. I cannot stop you and I'm not trying. All I am pointing out how disgusting your hypocrisy is. Just throwing a little sunlight out there.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:03PM
    • @SteveH... But Whyalla would LIKE to stop you having that right to say what you like, wouldn't you Conroy... errr Whyalla..?

      Commenter
      Hanging Judge Jeffries
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:15PM
    • Judge, it is interesting that you take your tag from a vicious and evil person who was on the wrong side of history and democracy.

      That said, please note my response to SteveH. Judge because you assume an attitude on my part because your world view is so pathetically narrow does not make that true. Both you and SteveH assume things about my position that are wrong, because they are based on your prejudices and not on anything that I have ever posted.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:51PM
    • @"SteveH."

      But I do it all the time and constantly get condemned by the "Slick" Abbott cheer squad, yourself included.

      You and "Slick' Abbott are a sad bunch of deceivers.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 1:51PM
    • Exactly Judge Jeff, they 'say' they love these freedoms, but their actions
      'say' something else.

      Don't worry I know what Whyalla's
      idea of 'throwing a little sunlight'
      really means.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:12PM
    • J.Fraser - seems the 'slick' abbot cheer squad is about 70% of the country. But that's okay, we won't judge you for how proud you are to be in the bottom 30%. If you were going to understand it would have happenned by now. INstead we just see you as an example of why compulsory voting does little more than give stupid people a say in matters they simply can't comprehend.

      Commenter
      Weary
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:13PM
    • SteveH, of course, you know me, despite never having met me, than I know myself. The arrogance of the wing nut.

      And Weary, of course, like his fellow wing nuts, has problems with arithmetic - and certainly going beyond two parties. For example, in his enthusiasm to press dishonesty wherever possible, he has bundled in the Greens voters in the latest poll as Abbott supporters to get to the magical figure of 70% support. I'm sure the Greens supporters who were surveyed would be horrified to be included in that tally.

      But Abbott appeals to the stupid and the ignorant - so people who think like weary no doubt are drawn to his leadership.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 2:33PM
    • Is it any wonder that '70% of the country' are in the slick Abbott cheer squad. That equates to the percentage of the media controlled by Murdoch.
      Welcome to the Murdocracy.

      Commenter
      accent
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:11PM
    • Whyalla is throwing his 'sunlight' around,
      Mr. Whiskers says maybe its time
      you took a short break and went for walkies.

      Actually I don't seem to have written much of this wretched essay today, maybe it's me who should take
      Mr. Whiskers for a walk.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 3:28PM
    • DR
      Abbott does not have to do anything at the moment with all the blood letting by Gillard and co. He just has to sit back and watch as all the media's attention is on the farce that is this ALP.
      Why take up the media's attention with any focus on the LNP, remember the failed media laws got very little attention as did the apology about adoptions.
      The ALP created this farce and all the attention will remain on them for a long time to come. Can you remember a day when 8 cabinet ministers resigned, I can't.
      There will be many more days like this for this hopeless ALP.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 5:01PM
    • That's be some sort of fictional work you've been writing then SteveH?

      Commenter
      Econorat
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 22, 2013, 5:04PM
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