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Federal Election 2013 Live: September 3, 2013

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So let's look back on the day that was:

  • Coalition leader Tony Abbott is continuing to demand that Labor respect his mandate (should he win Saturday's election) and allow him to repeal the carbon price;
  • no fear, says Labor;
  • this brings us back to the prospect that an Abbott led government would have to go to the polls again early in its term if it was unable to get enough support for its plans to wind back the carbon price;
  • Liberal candidate Fiona Scott has blamed asylum seekers for Sydney's traffic congestion; and
  • the Reserve Bank of Australia left interest rates on hold giving Labor another reason to talk about its record on economic management.

As always, thanks for your company and for making contributions.

Alex Ellinghausen and Andrew Meares will be back tomorrow but Judith Ireland will sit in for me while I have a day off. I will be back with you on Thursday for the last two days, polling day and the day after.

Until then, go well.

 

 

 

Coalition leader Tony Abbott tours a brickworks in Longford, Tasmania, on Tuesday.

Coalition leader Tony Abbott tours a brickworks in Longford, Tasmania, on Tuesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

The Age's economics editor, Tim Colebatch, has written this piece about how things might look after Saturday should Coalition leader Tony Abbott become prime minister.

"It is not clear what the Coalitoin's plans are, apart from ending the carbon tax and mining tax and stopping the boats," Tim writes.

"We know that new Coalition governments always tell us the budget is in worse shape than Labor said, and that they will have to make cuts they did not announce in the campaign so we can get back to surplus. In this case it might be true, particularly if Joe Hockey takes the sensible step of telling Treasury to use forecasts rather than projections for growth beyond the next two years."

And that's it for Mr Rudd who has to get to Melbourne.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd speaks to the media in Launceston on Tuesday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd speaks to the media in Launceston on Tuesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Rudd is speaking about the Reserve Bank of Australia's decision to keep interest rates on hold.

"It is good news for Australians who are paying off their mortgages and for small business operators too," Mr Rudd says.

Interest rates are at 60 year lows, Mr Rudd says, which is "a very important consideration when you look at overall cost of living issues".

"If you listened to [the Coalition] and you'd walked off planet Mars you'd think the economy was going to fall over tomorrow lunch time," Mr Rudd says.

Mr Rudd says low interest rates, strong economic growth and low unemployment are not economic credentials that should be risked by voting for the Coalition.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd speaks to the media in Launceston on Tuesday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd speaks to the media in Launceston on Tuesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Nearly one million people - 953,941 - people have already voted, according to the latest figures from the Australian Electoral Commission.

That's an awful lot of people who will be away/working/in hospital on Saturday.

If you need to find out where your nearest pre polling station is you can click here.

Time to do my usual "pointing you in the direction of things I should have pointed out earlier' routine.

Economics writer Matt Wade has this report on the gender pay gay. New government figures show that it is now 17.5 per cent which means the average full time female worker earns $266.20 less each week than the average full time male worker (that's an annual difference of $13,842).

(I haven't heard anything from either of the major parties about this today which is weird because I would have thought someone would have linked to the debate over paid parental leave.)

Moving along to matters environmental.

Fairfax Media's Hobart correspondent, Andrew Darby, has written this piece about the Coalition's push for the third ever World Heritage listing reversal.

The Age's environment editor, Tom Arup, looks at Labor's desire to claim federal oversight of national parks should it retain office on Saturday.

 

 

Labor leader Kevin Rudd at the simulator and clinical information centre at the University of Tasmania in Launceston on Tuesday.

Labor leader Kevin Rudd at the simulator and clinical information centre at the University of Tasmania in Launceston on Tuesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Way back at 9.39 am I directed you to the Fairfax/Nielsen results for an opinion poll that was conducted in Queensland.

I now have a video in which Nielsen's John Stirton decodes the figures.

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Nielsen's John Stirton decodes the latest poll figures from Queensland. Labor hoped to gain momentum up North, but the numbers are heading South.

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People familiar with the minor party fringe might remember the ultra nationalist party Rise Up Australia which wants to fight the "Islamification" of Australia and "keep Australia for Australians".

Its leader, Danny Nalliah, is anti abortion and anti same sex marriage. He once conducted an exorcism on Canberra's Mount Ainslie and also blamed Victoria's Black Saturday bushfires on the State Parliament's decision to end the decriminalisation of abortion.

Despite this, Labor is preferencing the party in its top four on how to vote cards in one in five of the 77 House of Representatives seats in which Rise Up is running candidates.

Reporter Bianca Hall has more.

The Reserve Bank of Australia has announced that interest rates will be left on hold leaving the official cash rate at 2.5 per cent.

Economics correspondent Peter Martin explains why in this video.

 

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The Reserve Bank has kept interest rates on hold, leaving the official rate at 2.5 per cent. Peter Martin explains why.

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Wonder what it's like inside the office of politician trying to hang on to his/her seat?

The Age's state political reporter, Richard Willingham, poked his nose inside the south east Melbourne office of Attorney General Mark Dreyfus.

"The virtues of Kevin Rudd are not bellowed down the phone, rather the volunteers are asking people what issues concern them," Richard writes.

"For the past months, the scene has been replicated in dozens of seats in Victoria as Labor embarks on a new style of campaigning in the state."

You can read Richard's story here.

Saturday's choice:

 

In today's Fact Checker/PolitiFact instalment the team looks at Labor leader Kevin Rudd's claim on Monday that there were "multiple state elections in recent times when people have come from behind in the last week and they've come from much further behind than we are".

What did they find? You'll have to click here to find out.

Or you could watch the video in which economics correspondent Peter Martin explains his findings.

 

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Kevin Rudd says political parties have been further back in the opinion polls than Labor is now and still won in multiple state elections. Peter Martin fact checks the claim.

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Team Rudd was on its way to Launceston airport when the bus turned around and headed back into town. This is so that Labor leader Kevin Rudd can be on hand to give a rapid response to the Reserve Bank of Australia's interest rate decision (due at 2.30 pm).

But this raises the prospect of Team Rudd clashing with Team Abbott which has just left Adelaide bound for Launceston.

Carl the simulator patient was on hand for Kevin Rudd's visits to the  University of Tasmania in Launceston on Tuesday.

Carl the simulator patient was on hand for Kevin Rudd's visits to the University of Tasmania in Launceston on Tuesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Now - closing statements from both men.

Mr Burke: "The goal posts have shifted day after day in terms of the political debate. What hasn't shifted one iota is a policy that will work."

Mr Morrison: "You cannot reward a government that is the guilty party for this level of failure....This government, on borders, deserves to go."

And that's it for the immigration debate.

(Greens leader Christine Milne will address the National Press Club tomorrow. Labor leader Kevin Rudd will have his turn on Thursday.)

Both are asked by a school student how their parties live up to the Christian ideal of compassion.

Mr Morrison: "You need to deliver on the [United Nations] Convention but you also have to make sure that your compassion is genuine for all the parts of your policy."

Mr Burke: "These places we have [under the refugee program] are the most precious gifts of life you can give someone."

Both are asked if they have any regrets about their parties' actions over the past six years.

Mr Morrison: "I haven't been convincing enough to get the government to move earlier in these areas....This portfolio is difficult. Engaging in this policy is like walking on a razor blade most days."

Mr Burke regrets Labor's actions in 2009 when there were big changes in Sri Lanka, Iraq and Afghanistan and policy should have been changed to to respond to the "new pipeline".

 

Mr Morrison is asked why he continues to describe people who arrive by boat as "illegal".

Mr Morrison says: "I have always referred to illegal entry."

Mr Burke says "the motivation behind the use of language is fundamentally different".

"The use of the term 'illegality' or 'illegals' is an attempt by the Liberal Party to politicise, and dare I say, demonise," Mr Burke says.

"You will never find a member of my party standing up and complaining about an 8 year old child attending a funeral."

 

Both men are asked if they agree with Liberal candidate Fiona Scott who said asylum seekers were responsible for traffic congestion in western Sydney (see 11.04 am post).

Mr Morrison: "We've had 50,000 people show up under the government's policy....The area that concerns me is the stress that's putting on local resettlement services....People are being, quite frankly, dumped into the community."

Mr Burke: "The answer to your question is no. The comments, I think, would rate as some of the silliest of the campaign were it not for Scott's comments about boat buybacks."

 

Mr Morrison is asked what he will do when the first boat arrives if he is minister after Saturday.

"People would be transferred through a transit port directly to Manus Island or Nauru," he says.

"In terms of the tactics at sea that's a matter for border protection command....The people smugglers will encounter our tactics at sea and on land."

Mr Burke says: "At no point then did Scott Morrison say we would turn back the boat....I believe a lot of these comments they come out with work in the political cycle of the day but do not work out over time."

"You may not know when the first boat arrives," Mr Burke says, "because they have taken that off the table".

Mr Morrison will not commit a Coalition government to publicly announcing each boat arrival (as happens now).

"Those decisions shouldn't be in the hands of politicians," Mr Morrison says.

 

Mr Morrison offers one the great truisms of Australian political life: "As I'm sure Tony will agree there's not too many people trying to get our jobs on either side of the political fence."

 

Now both men are taking questions.

If you lose on Saturday, will you let the other side implement its policy?

Mr Burke: "No matter what happens in the election you will never find me....trying to send a message out to people smugglers saying it's okay to come."

Mr Morrison: "We will always hold the government to account. We will always be consistent."

(So that's a no from both then.)

My apologies that this means I missed Mr Burke's opening statement (it was Kevin Rudd's fault).

Mr Morrison is giving his opening statement.

"Costs, chaos and tragedy is the price of the decision by Kevin Rudd to abolish the policies of the Howard government," Mr Morrison says.

"No government should ever be allowed to fail this badly with such tragic consequences."

Mr Rudd has finished and I'm switching to the immigration debate between the Immigration Minister Tony Burke and his Coalition counterpart Scott Morrison.

 

Just fyi - I am sticking with Mr Rudd's press conference. When he finishes I will go straight to the immigration debate at the National Press Club.

Back on climate change and Mr Rudd is now refusing to talk about what Labor might do on carbon pricing should the Coalition win office on Saturday.

"I'm not going into hypotheticals....We're in it to win it," Mr Rudd says.

He then refuses to answer consecutive questions along the same lines on the grounds that he will no deal with "infinite hypotheticals".

 

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd  at the University of Tasmania in Launceston on Tuesday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the University of Tasmania in Launceston on Tuesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Rudd says life will change after Saturday if the Coalition is elected.

"Don't think next week will be the same as this week. Don't think next year will be the same as this year," Mr Rudd warns.

Mr Rudd is now speaking to the media in Launceston, Tasmania.

He is not giving an inch on Labor's post election approach to carbon pricing.

"Carbon pricing is fundamental to how you deal with climate change," Mr Rudd says.

"Any other approach is intellectually dishonest."

 

And here's the Coalition's campaign spokesman, Mathias Cormann, repeating the Coalition's inclination for another election if its plans to repeal the carbon price are unsuccessful.

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Shadow assistant treasurer Mathias Cormann says the Coalition is confident their Direct Action policy will reduce emissions by 5%, but is willing to go to a fresh poll if Labor blocks the carbon tax repeal.

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Coalition leader Tony Abbott is double daring Labor about its position on the carbon price after the election (see 10.18 am post).

"I am absolutely confident that a Labor Party that has just lost an election....will run a million miles away from this toxic tax," Mr Abbott says.

"The last thing the Labor Party will do is commit political suicide twice by continuing to support this toxic tax."

(It's an interesting tactic this one. Mr Abbott has promised to have a double dissolution election if Parliament does not support his plan to wind back the carbon price. This would mean an election early on in his - still hypothetical - first term. But Mr Abbott has also been promising stable government. Mr Abbott is setting up Labor to take the blame for forcing him to call another election.)

 

What next for Kevin Rudd?

Political strategists Jannette Cotterell and Greg Turnbull ponder the question in this video interview with online political editor Tim Lester.

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Strategists Jannette Cotterell and Greg Turnbull discuss what Kevin Rudd might do next as hopes of a Labor victory fade.

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So far this campaign has been pretty protest free. It's one of the reasons why neither of the major parties gives any advance warning about where they are going.

So points to the enterprising climate protesters who managed to track down Coalition leader Tony Abbott this morning (although my favourite protester of the campaign is still Nemo).

Protestors wait for Coalition leader Tony Abbott at Penrice Soda Holdings in Port Adelaide on Tuesday.

Protestors wait for Coalition leader Tony Abbott at Penrice Soda Holdings in Port Adelaide on Tuesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Four sleeps to go.

Coalition leader Tony Abbott during his visit to Penrice Soda Holdings in Port Adelaide on Tuesday.

Coalition leader Tony Abbott during his visit to Penrice Soda Holdings in Port Adelaide on Tuesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

South Australian independent Senator Nick Xenophon has hit upon a sure vote winner.

Senator Xenophon - who is up for re election on Saturday - wants to move an amendment to the laws that prevent parliamentary proceedings from being used for humorous purposes.

"Under the [Parliamentary Proceedings Broadcasting Act 1946] the Joint Committee on the Broadcasting of Parliamentary Proceedings can impose conditions under which proceedings can be rebroadcast or excerpts used," Senator Xenophon said.

"Under the current rules programs such as The Chaser, The Project and Gruen Nation are banned from using images of parliamentary sittings for the purposes of satire or ridicule. They don't have anachronistic laws like this in the US but they probably do in Kazakhstan. Pollies do and say stupid things all the time in Parliament - me included - we shouldn't have a special legal protection from being sent up."

(Personally I'd like a law that stops the same shows from using the magical images captured by Andrew Meares, Alex Ellinghausen and other photographers without attribution but we all know it's not a perfect world.)

Meanwhile, a Palmer United Party candidate who lives in Townsville admits that he had never been to the electorate he is contesting in Victoria. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Bradley Ferguson, who wants people to elect him to the Victorian seat of Wannon, told ABC local radio it was a "fair question" about his principal place of residence.

It's all about giving people a choice, apparently.

Democracy and free speech are great and we all complain about politicians being too bound by the party line but sometimes, well, the old saying about thinking before you speak wouldn't go astray.

Fiona Scott, the Liberal candidate for the Sydney seat of Lindsay, told the ABC's 4 Corners program last night that the reason immigration was such a big issue was because "our traffic is overcrowded".

"Go sit on the M4, people see 50,000 people come in by boat - that's more than twice the population of [the suburb of] Glenmore," Ms Scott said.

You can read more about Ms Scott's comments here.

 

"You guys don't have to break the habit of a lifetime and love the Coalition," Mr Abbott says.

 

 

Coalition leader Tony Abbott during his visit to Penrice Soda Holdings in Port Adelaide on Tuesday.

Coalition leader Tony Abbott during his visit to Penrice Soda Holdings in Port Adelaide on Tuesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Coalition leader Tony Abbott is speaking in Osborne, Adelaide.

"I can't wave a magic wand and make tough markets easy markets [but] I will do everything I humanly can to make sure the environment the government creates is as easy as possible for businesses like this to survive and, hopefully, to expand and flourish," Mr Abbott says.

"I regard myself as a conservationist...[But] what one Parliament has done another Parliament can undo."

The carbon price is hurting, Mr Abbott says, but "this tax will be gone" under a Coalition government.

 

What a re-election pitch!

 

So what do you think (see 10.18am post)? Should an Abbott government increase funding for its direct action climate policy if it fails to meet the pledged emission reduction target?

You can have your say in our online readers' poll which you can find here.

Wag the dog.

A Tasmanian quarantine dog checks the media covering Prime Minister Kevin Rudd on arrival in Launceston, Tasmania.

A Tasmanian quarantine dog checks the media covering Prime Minister Kevin Rudd on arrival in Launceston, Tasmania. Photo: Andrew Meares

Meanwhile, Coalition leader Tony Abbott has acknowledged for the first time that his $3.2 billion "direct action" carbon abatement policy may not reach its promised 5 per cent cut in emissions by 2020 and will not be strengthened with extra money.

In his speech to the National Press Club yesterday Mr Abbott ramped up the pressure on Labor not to stand in his way to dismantle the carbon price should he win government on Saturday.

But Labor has signalled it would try to stymie Mr Abbott's plan, which could mean Australians face another election early in the Coalition's first term of government.

Both Labor leader Kevin Rudd and Climate Change Minister Mark Butler dismissed Mr Abbott's argument that Labor would have to abide by any "mandate" the Coalition had to repeal the carbon price.

Breaking news reporter Jonathan Swan has more.

The Age environment editor, Tom Arup, also filed this analysis piece on what it would mean should Australia abandon its commitment to the 5 per cent greenhouse gas emissions reduction target.

It's lite (milk) with one, thanks.

Coalition leader Tony Abbott meets with Kathy Carey and her children Matthew Carey and Gracie Carey in Adelaide on Tuesday.

Coalition leader Tony Abbott meets with Kathy Carey and her children Matthew Carey and Gracie Carey in Adelaide on Tuesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Remember when one of the reasons to replace Julia Gillard as prime minister was that Kevin Rudd would do better in Queensland?

A Fairfax/Nielsen poll shows Mr Rudd has failed to lift the party's fortunes with more voters now trusting Coalition leader Tony Abbott than Mr Rudd.

The polling is particularly interesting when you look at what people are saying about the minor parties. It shows billionaire Clive Palmer's Palmer United Party is polling as strongly as the Greens - both are on 8 per cent. This would give the PUP a chance of a Senate spot.

It also puts the PUP in the box seat - along with Katter's Australian Party -  to decide the outcome in some close seats because of the flow of preferences.

Chief political correspondent Mark Kenny has the full story.

"I've got my brick so no one ever gives me any trouble," Liberal MP Christopher Pyne said as he left a constituent's house in Adelaide.

Liberal MP Christopher Pyne departs after a visit to a home in Adelaide on Tuesday.

Liberal MP Christopher Pyne departs after a visit to a home in Adelaide on Tuesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Of all the cars I imagine Coalition frontbencher Christopher Pyne driving around in, a ute is not the first one that springs to mind. But, clearly, I had him incorrectly pigeonholed.

 

Liberal MP Christopher Pyne departs from a visit to a home in Adelaide on Tuesday.

Liberal MP Christopher Pyne departs from a visit to a home in Adelaide on Tuesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

So there I was making a cup of tea and all these blokes just walked in.

Deb Schmusch makes a cup of tea for Coalition leader Tony Abbott during his visit to her home in Adelaide on Tuesday.

Deb Schmusch makes a cup of tea for Coalition leader Tony Abbott during his visit to her home in Adelaide on Tuesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Hi ho, hi ho, it's off to work we go.

Team Rudd has just arrived in Tasmania while Team Abbott is campaigning in Adelaide.

A reminder that I will bring you the debate between Immigration Minister Tony Burke and his Coalition counterpart Scott Morrison from the National Press Club in Canberra from 12.30pm.

(And a further reminder that Greens leader Christine Milne will address the same venue tomorrow followed by Labor leader Kevin Rudd on Thursday. )

The media covering Labor leader Kevin Rudd prepare to leave Brisbane on Tuesday.

The media covering Labor leader Kevin Rudd prepare to leave Brisbane on Tuesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Good morning and welcome to our live coverage of the federal election campaign.

It's a pleasure to have you with us as Andrew Meares, Alex Ellinghausen and I take you through the day.

 

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  • The LNP makes a good Shrek movie - Hockey (as himself), Princess Fiona, Dragon (Julie Bishop), Donkey (Abbott)...

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    Sharron
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    September 03, 2013, 4:55PM
  • There is nothing much more to say about this election that hasn't already been said, drawn or photographed.
    Isn't everyone wishing it was all over red rover?

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    yys
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    September 03, 2013, 4:55PM
  • The anti- Labor crew are out in force and their comments make embarrassing reading. Why is there such a need to demonise Rudd and Labor's policies? Is it to provide white noise so the electorate cannot hear and understand Labor's policies?

    It seems so.

    So we have to forgo sensible growth producing Labor policies. We also have to forgo care for the advantaged and working poor.

    We have to live with what some call middle class welfare but I call cherries for the rich. (no way can a women earning $150,000 per year be "middle class").

    Labor has good policies and good incentives. Seems a pity we will go into recession instead.

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    TiredOfSpin
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    September 03, 2013, 4:45PM
    • Grant - So what do should Rudd have done about it - run surpluses?

      And what is Abbott going to do to fix it - scrap the school kids bonus, the low income rebate, drop the immediate write off threshold for small business?

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      Macca75
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      September 03, 2013, 4:48PM
    • What happened to the implementation of the recommendations in the Henry tax review?

      Did Paul Howes not like them?

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      Opinion Only
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      September 03, 2013, 4:55PM
  • Isn't Kevin Rudd cute!

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    Sharron
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    September 03, 2013, 4:42PM
  • Night pulse heads. See you same time tomorrow, where no doubt immobile objects will meet irrepressible forces of politics. Thanks to Steph Andrew and Alex for the sparks and occasional laughs. Special Mention to J Fra you cannot deny the enthusiasm, however half-baked, don’t you ever change. :)
    Good night Kevin only four more sleeps.. and Tony *blush* you know I say my prays each night under your portrait so I will save the goodnights for you till later xx

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    Cwitty
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    September 03, 2013, 4:42PM
    • Night witty. Sweet dreams of Kevin Rudd!

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      Sharron
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      September 03, 2013, 4:49PM
  • Today, the ABS released the Balance of Payments for the June Quarter. Tomorrow, it will be the turn of the National Accounts (or GDP).

    In the March Quarter, GDP growth was 0.6% fuelled by a 1% export sector contribution which has since 9today) gone negative, at -0.4% (of GDP).

    Back in March, the ABS had this to say about the Balance of Payments outcome:
    “The increase in the balance on goods and services surplus, in seasonally adjusted chain volume terms, is expected to contribute 1.0 percentage points to growth in the March quarter 2013 volume measure of GDP.”

    In today’s JunQ BOP report, the ABS advised that:
    “In seasonally adjusted chain volume terms, the surplus on goods and services fell $154m (2%) …. to $7,152m in the June quarter 2013. This is expected to detract 0.04 percentage points from growth in the June quarter 2013 volume measure of GDP.”

    This points to a negative GDP number, tomorrow. That, or another massive fiscal stimulus from Government, which is not what the economy is reporting.

    Looked at another way, spending is subdued, capital formation fell in JunQ (-0.7%), but at a lesser arte than for MarQ (-2.7%).

    Inventories also fell 0.1% in JunQ, after rising 0.1% in MarQ.

    Monthly retail spending growth in the JunQ slowed sharply, averaging 0.13% throughout the quarter against a monthly 0.3% growth rate in the MarQ, but has since dipped negative (0.1 drop) in July.

    Put all this together and it suggests a negative number for JunQ GDP for tomorrow, possibly of -0.7% or higher, with SepQ not looking much better.

    In all likelihood, the economy is already now flat-lining, and otherwise currently risking recession (on RGR’s watch).

    After claiming credit for today’s RBA announcement, RGR must also take responsibility for tomorrow’s GDP numbers.

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    Grant
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    September 03, 2013, 4:41PM
    • Pen's got a calculator and he's not afraid to use it.

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      SteveH.
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      September 03, 2013, 4:37PM
  • Tim Colebatch article more or less states that we have reached a political impasse where the major party cannot get legislation through the senate. Oh what a joy.

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    Pen of hrba
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    September 03, 2013, 4:37PM
  • OH MY GOD!!!..David Speers just asked Malcolm Turnbull what he thought about Fiona Scott blaming asylum seekers for causing traffic jams and you know what Turnbull said...I DONT KNOW!!...I DONT KNOW???...he doesnt know what to think about her saying that???Come on Malcolm i though you were intelligent!!

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    Steeden
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    September 03, 2013, 4:36PM
    • Maybe Malcolm is using old copper to the brain and cant think quick enough?

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      Archer
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      September 03, 2013, 4:44PM
    • Seems you're wrong about just about everything, isn't that depressing?

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      SteveH.
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      September 03, 2013, 4:48PM
  • Michael, old memories die hard, This concern is in large part due to one of Pell's famous predecessors as Archbishop of Melbourne, Dr Daniel Mannix, and his highly political activity aided and abetted by BA Santamaria. I love the saying from Henry VIII's time "A cardinal Italianate, is a devil incarnate" with the nice allusion to the cardinal's colours :)

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    Norm
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    September 03, 2013, 4:31PM
    • @Pieron: Still waiting to hear how it will be paid back... Or do you just plan to leave that problem to a future generation. Very responsible that would be.

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      Julia by 10 seats
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      September 03, 2013, 4:28PM
    • Julia by 10 seats, even Hockey agreed on Q&A that the real debt figure is $184 billion dollars. I don't see why all you Liberals have to lie about the facts all the time.

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      Tom
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      September 03, 2013, 4:25PM
  • So far today we have had Tim Colebatch & Tim Berg Criticise the coalitions fiscal policy and Bernard Keane and Alan Koler criticise the coalitions direct action policy - do they have a policy that anyone likes?

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    Macca75
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    September 03, 2013, 4:20PM
    • Sorry Chris Berg.

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      Macca75
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      September 03, 2013, 4:22PM
    • They have actual policies????

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      Confused
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      September 03, 2013, 4:39PM
    • Macca, look at today's BOP figures, coupled with negative retail spending for July and flatlined spending for JunQ. Inventories have also fallen for JunQ compared to MarQ, as has capital formation. Tomorrow's GDP numbers will therefore prove negative and worsening in outlook. And that's on RGR's watch. Your mate RGR, by claiming credit for the RBA's status quo position today will equally have to take accounatbility for tomorrow's very poor GDP numbers when they come out. Perhaps Tim Colebatch should relaly be looking at that rather than in messing around in things politicla.

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      Grant
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      September 03, 2013, 4:44PM
  • I think we need to have a pre polling test of the electorates knowledge. If you don't pass your don't vote. Might even force people to pay attention and form an opinion instead of having rhetoric form it for them.

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    Chippsy
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    September 03, 2013, 4:15PM
    • To paraphrase: There are too many people on this blog that I don't agree with, so they shouldn't be allowed to vote. Stalin would be proud.

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      Julia by 10 seats
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      J. Fraser's Crystal Ball
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:24PM
    • No, not at all; more so that having spoken to lot a people and read countless comments on multiple sites there's an alarming trend towards sensationalist voting as opposed to thought through reasoning.

      My comment was a tongue in cheek poke at the amount of people that don't seem able to think for themselves.

      Commenter
      Chippsy
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:30PM
    • Chippsy: You think about who to vote for in the context of the circumstances you are in. I can assure you that the electorate are a lot smarter than what you give them credit for and that they have a BS detector far more attuned than you think. At present, the needle on the BS meter is swinging in Kevin's direction big time and that (more than anything else) will cost him on Saturday.

      Commenter
      Julia by 10 seats
      Location
      J. Fraser's Crystal Ball
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:57PM
    • 6% as a rounded figure would have done nicely too Pen. Sometimes you really over complicate things...

      Commenter
      Julia by 10 seats
      Location
      J. Fraser's Crystal Ball
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:12PM
  • Tony Abbott promised the Liberal Party faithful last week that "By the end of a Coalition government's first term, the budget will be on track to a believable surplus."

    Got that? Not in surplus. On track to surplus.

    Given the Coalition's near-certain victory, Abbott's surplus expectations management may be the most significant promise of the whole campaign.

    Significant not just for this government or the next, but for Australian governments far into the future.

    First, the obvious. This is quite a backtrack. As recently as January, Joe Hockey was promising a budget surplus in the first year of government. By April, the promise had been downgraded into a surplus in the first term.

    Here's the new promise: "Within a decade, the budget surplus will be 1 per cent of GDP." The Coalition is only willing to guarantee a budget surplus by 2023.

    Abbott fudged it a few days later by saying "the Government is proposing to bring us back to surplus in 2016/17 and we will do at least as well as the Government". But there's a catch. Abbott doesn't think the government is able to achieve a surplus in 2016-17.

    OK, sometimes public finances change. Tax receipts are unpredictable. (Just ask Treasury.) And promises are easy to regret. (Just ask Julia Gillard.)

    But the upshot of the revised promise is the Commonwealth budget will have been in deficit for 15 years - more than half of that time under a Coalition government.

    This would be the longest stretch of deficits in Australian history. It would be twice the previous record of seven years, incurred after the Recession We Had To Have

    Chris Berg

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 4:11PM
    • Julia by 10 seats try reading the business section and Michael Pascoe's article. But I suppose after 3 years of negativity and lies the truth would be too much for you to bear. Nothing like a slogan hey!

      Commenter
      Pieron
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:10PM
    • Well why isn't he more honest about "himself"?
      Then he might have some credibility.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:02PM
  • So the LNP's latest superstar Fiona "Sex appeal" Scott has added to the asylum seeker debate. 50,000 asylum seekers are blocking the M4. Tony has such a rich cast to chose from for his front bench!

    Commenter
    Pieron
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 3:57PM
    • it's amazing that even the refugees currently not in Australia are driving down the M4.

      Commenter
      Tim
      Location
      InnerCity
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:09PM
    • And of course don't forget their obvious contribution to climate change, using more resources (in Nauru and PNG) than they would if they were in their countries of origin.

      Commenter
      Sambo
      Location
      all over the place
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:17PM
    • @ Pieron
      It's fair to say that 50,000 boat people are not all driving cars on the M4 (if any).

      I guess the point is that they are all drawing on community resources in all sorts of ways (state, local, federal etc)and in so doing taking away from other needy persons and congesting what resources are available to help the needy.

      Commenter
      Vulture
      Location
      Gladesville
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:17PM
    • Vulture,

      Why do you bother talking about needy persons?

      It is after all Tony Abbott the original architect of harsh welfare to work reforms, cancelling Newstart altogether and forcing those aged 30 y.o and under to relocate for work, and moving single parents and the disabled ("job snobs") on to the lower Newstart allowance, while giving "women of calibre" up to $81,937.50 in welfare for each baby.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:51PM
  • "Nearly one million people - 953,941 - people have already voted."

    OK that is 6.009230850250407% of the voting population, who had not a clue of what Abbott's costing are.

    I suppose they believe in miracles too? Certainly not "Yea of little faith"?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 3:54PM
    • 6% as a rounded figure would have done nicely too Pen. Sometimes you really over complicate things...

      Commenter
      Julia by 10 seats
      Location
      J. Fraser's Crystal Ball
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:12PM
    • Pen's got a calculator and he's not afraid to use it.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:37PM
  • Yes Kevin the economy is growing brilliantly isn't it that's why interest rates are at the lowest on record. Stunning performance pull the other one ! Retirees love you for the lowest rates in years on their life savings Crikey. No doubt you are all over the country just because people know everything is hunky dory ! Enjoy Launceston.

    Commenter
    Fred
    Location
    Bloggs
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 3:54PM
  • YES YES YES!! I want ANOTHER 3 years like the last 6 where we have our incredible THREE Triple AAA ratings,our LOW unemployment,our LOW interest rates,our SUPER FAST broadband,our Super Economy,our action on climate change,our fairer Maternity leave policy,Lets keep this country the ENVY of the world..All thanks to KEVIN RUDD and his team LABOR!!...we cant afford a recession under abbott.

    Commenter
    Steeden
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 3:49PM
    • Is that you Marcus Rudd?

      Commenter
      Julia by 10 seats
      Location
      J. Fraser's Crystal Ball
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:56PM
    • Man..what are smoking?? Can I have some?

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:57PM
    • So do I. The problem is Rupert Murdoch, who's loyalty is to America, is trying to hobble our economy by ruining the NBN and putting a bunch of economic incompetents in power.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:00PM
    • Steeden

      Careful, your blood pressure is rising.

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:04PM
    • Gee they're getting desperate.....

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:07PM
    • You need to lie down there champ.
      - conservative state govt now grappling with losing ratings due to long term ALP economic mismanagement demonstrate what happens when you leave ALP at the wheel too long (AAA for how long?)
      - low unemployment...its on the way up and you do realise they are cooking the books on this issue?
      - low interest rates (you do understand why we are at emergency levels I assume? you do understand why the RBA actually dropped rates to these levels?...It aint anything to do with good management
      - Superfast....u mean the NBN which at current rate will be rolled out just in time for your grandkids and probably technically obsolete by then
      - Climate change: please, whatever we do in our corner makes no difference to the world
      - Maternity leave - fairer for who?
      - Envy (ha ha) talk about arrogance...world could care less about us and our little economy
      - Rudd. you can have him (probably 24/7 after Sat...the rest of him don't want him in our faces ever again
      - Recession - come now.,,you can drop the scare campaign now, nobody bought it

      Commenter
      Taxpayer
      Location
      Here
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:07PM
    • Another Labor supporter who has airbrushed Gillard. She really has become 'She-who-must-not-be-named' amongst the Labor faithful.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:08PM
    • Time to give it away. The election is lost for Labor.

      You should put your energy into helping Labor sort out their problems and selecting a new party leader next week.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:08PM
    • One thing left off...268 thousand million dollars of debt in just 5 years.. Apart from that everything is hunky dory.

      Commenter
      Brettie
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:22PM
    • "- low unemployment...its on the way up and you do realise they are cooking the books on this issue?"

      Yeah, because state Liberal governments in Vic, NSW and Qld have sacked tens of thousands of public servants and outsourced their jobs to the private sector, replacing them with casuals, contractors and labour hire staff.

      Abbott is sacking a further 20,000 pulbic servants, and offshoring tech jobs.

      Abbott invented the Job Network, promoted casualisation and work for the dole to hide the long term unemployed.

      Abbott has facilitated and accelerated the outsourcing and offshoring of tens of thousands of skilled jobs with the Coalition's widely rorted, uncapped, semi-skilled 457 visa scheme which has displaced skilled Australian workers, and undercut local pay and conditions, especially in IT.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:46PM
  • Does anyone know if Kevin is still going to the G20? I'm sure Putin and Obama will love the lecture about what Abbott will say and do.

    Commenter
    Julia by 10 seats
    Location
    J. Fraser's Crystal Ball
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 3:46PM
  • The Pulse @ 3:47 PM ... ""If you listened to [the Coalition] and you'd walked off planet Mars you'd think the economy was going to fall over tomorrow lunch time,"

    I thought the Abbott cheer squad said the Australian economy fell over 6 years ago.

    Did Abbott's squad get it wrong.

    Big time.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 3:45PM
    • Oh - it's big alright - $400B big!! That is a lot of zeros. Now we are all waiting for Kevin's plan to pay it back. At present it is manageable, but if we get 3 more years of Kevin, then it may well not be.

      Commenter
      Julia by 10 seats
      Location
      J. Fraser's Crystal Ball
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:54PM
  • Well i reckon the future is very bright for our Labor friends on The Pulse - if the polls are right you're going to have plenty to complain about for the next three years.

    It's almost as if it will be half time swap sides - defence will turn into attack.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 3:37PM
    • We will have plenty to complain about if Abbott actually passes any of his nonsensical policies!

      Can you name one policy that actually makes sense?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:56PM
    • Thank Dog for the Senate predictions. If correct Abbott won't get much done, as usual more huff and puff of "I'm gonna blow this house down".
      For three years that's all he's focused on and look where it's got his Limbo policy. Lower and lower.
      Even if he does get in there's the matter of some some delicate court cases.
      So glad sexy Fiona has a policy to curb our traffic congestion woes.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:50PM
  • @ The Age re the Cartoon today - It seems The Age has set a new low for religious bigotry and prejudice for Australia. The cartoon explicitly implies that Cardinal Pell will be calling the shots on an in an Abbot government. I know there has always been a bit of anti (hate) Catholic vitriol in the Australian media but we've never seen it actually used by a newspaper to influence voting intentions before. It reminds me much of the KKK in the USA in the 1920's against Catholics (Al Smith) or the insinuation that JFK would answer to the Pope instead of the people. Good ol' prejudice!, and if you think this is ok I think you might like to read book by Phillip Jenkins Professor of History and Religious studies at Pennsylvania State University, title The New Anti-Catholicism: The Last Acceptable Prejudice... fairly apt in this context, well done and hooray for bigots - lets all burn another Guy Fawkes!

    Commenter
    michael of melbourne
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 3:35PM
    • It's a joke.

      Commenter
      Wil
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:51PM
    • @ Will - yes it is, but its always Catholics at the butt of jokes and when they get upset its always the same "cant you take joke?"
      My question is, will The Age or cartoonists make a Mohammed, Jew, Black, Gay, or LGBT, joke in the same context? After all its only equality we ask for isn't it (yes I am using an argument from another electoral issue)... Shouldn't jokes be shared equally?

      Nah didnt think so, prejudice only works in one direction these days.

      Commenter
      michael of melbourne
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:58PM
    • Mate, you need to take a chill pill. I can feel your faux outrage from here!

      I take it you were just as furious at the Daily Tele's front page of Kev in a Nazi uniform?

      Commenter
      snag
      Location
      melb
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:01PM
    • @ Wil also its always the same when a Catholic runs for office. See the same from Labor's own (now dis-endorsed candidate) Ken Robertson as an indication of the undercurrent of this anti Catholic prejudice with his statement, "I hope Australia never has to suffer his Catholicism and the things that he's doing personally..."

      Nothing more needed to be said really

      Commenter
      michael of melbourne
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:03PM
    • Well he shouldn't associate with Murdoch and Rinehart. If he kept his nose only in the Christian needs of his Catholic flock, he would not be the subject of cartoons.

      I would say that the needs of his poorest constituents would be better provided by Labor policies, but Pell has been forever out of step.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:08PM
    • Church lobby in win over charities watchdog. The lobbying power of church conservatives, the Catholic Church in particular, and the office of Sydney Cardinal George Pell, more particularly still. The pressure applied by the Sydney church through the charities debate has raised the question of the access and sway it may enjoy under Australia's first Catholic Liberal prime minister and his Catholic-strong frontbench that includes Kevin Andrews, Barnaby Joyce, Joe Hockey, Malcolm Turnbull (a convert), Andrew Robb and Christopher Pyne. Need I say more?

      Commenter
      CPS
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:11PM
    • Michael, old memories die hard, This concern is in large part due to one of Pell's famous predecessors as Archbishop of Melbourne, Dr Daniel Mannix, and his highly political activity aided and abetted by BA Santamaria. I love the saying from Henry VIII's time "A cardinal Italianate, is a devil incarnate" with the nice allusion to the cardinal's colours :)

      Commenter
      Norm
      Location
      Sinny
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:15PM
    • Get a grip Michael. There is as much truth in Catholicism as there is in Pol Pot's innocence. It has more invention than a museum. Ever heard of J going into a confessional?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:17PM
    • @ Snag - how is that an analogy? Did you even read my initial post? Were you even aware that JFK nearly lost the election because he was a catholic it must mean that he would take his instructions from the Pope. Same in this context, just because Abbot is catholic doesn't mean he will take his instructions from Pell - just simple prejudice because you can.

      PS Can you please publish a joke re muslims or jews? Afterall its just a joke right?

      Commenter
      michael of melbourne
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:19PM
    • Michael, Michael. where to begin.

      Do you honestly think that Catholics are victimised in Australia? And would it honestly make you feel better if there was a bit more anti-islamic and antisemitic sentiment around? How very Christian of you.

      Also - as has been raised - once Pell steps into the political arena, which he seems only too happy to do, he's fair game.

      It irks me that you could be so thin-skinned about a fairly innocuous cartoon that happens to offend your sensibilities, when I'll bet you have a right chuckle at other, harsher cartoons that lampoon the religions that you've decided not to follow.

      Commenter
      snag
      Location
      melb
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:46PM
    • @ pen of hbra – lol thank you for making my point. You may be right about the truthfulness of Catholicsim BUT you missed the point. Religious intolerance is specifically protected by legislation (enacted by the Labor Party) and also in our Constitution – yet you think its fine to espouse all manner of hate. I challenge you to lookup Al Smith and the KKK, or JFK and the Republican push against him being Catholic – and tell me how I am wrong when I compare these examples to the current treatment of Abbot. Abbots is mocked and called a mad monk, if I used a gay slur say again Penny Wong would it get equal air play in the media as something funny and acceptable? Equality works both ways.

      Commenter
      michael of melbourne
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 5:01PM
  • Nearly one million people - 953,941 - people have already voted, according to the latest figures from the Australian Electoral Commission.

    That's an awful lot of people who will be away/working/in hospital on Saturday

    Or maybe there are some people who just don't like lining up and being harrassed with how to vote cards

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 3:35PM
    • First time ever I've agreed with you Macca - I've put a big X in the calendar ;)

      Commenter
      Julia by 10 seats
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:51PM
    • It must be a big day for you, thinking logically for the first time.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:57PM
    • Following the shenanigans 1000 km from home!

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:18PM
    • Oh Macca - you had to go and ruin a good thing by making it personal. What is it with you Labor supporters? We agree that the people pushing how-to-vote cards on us is a nuisance. How is that a logic issue?

      Commenter
      Julia by 10 seats
      Location
      J. Fraser's Crystal Ball
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:22PM
  • According to Economics writer Matt Wade's report: "the gender pay gay" somehow I don't think tony's going to look at solving that problem!

    Commenter
    winos54
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 3:35PM
  • Today I had a 30 minute taxi ride. I brought up politics - didn't mean to, just a natural segue - but thought it rude to ask about the driver's voting intention. But he did ask me if life was going to be better under Abbott because he had some naive hope it would be. Believe me - I tried to be as fair as possible and explained the bigger issues we face (regardless of who wins). I also explained that there are winners and losers under both parties and went into detail. The driver was stunned to hear that the Coalition would be cutting the school kids bonus! He also had no idea about how their PPL would impact on franking credits. Now I seriously wonder whether the Labor message is getting through to voters!! Oh, this chap struck me as bright and competent in English speaking and comprehension. Hmmm.

    Commenter
    Passionfruit
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 3:30PM
    • Passionfruit

      Since when did the school bonus become a right?

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:40PM
    • It not that the message isn't getting through. It is more that people have stopped listening.

      p.s Your Taxi driver was concerned about his Franking credits??? Maybe I am in the wrong business.
      p.p.s Did you really catch a cab today or did you just wake up from your afternoon nap?

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:41PM
    • Passion fRuit - Let's face it, the majority of people read a News Ltd paper, and the majority of those generally just read the headlines and maybe the firs paragraph of anything that isn't sport.
      Form this all they can deduce is that the govt are hopeless and Abbott will solve all their problems.
      This is why I am pretty sure tings are going to turn sour for a new Abbott govt pretty quick, as people will generally be shocked by some of the policies he plans to introduce.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:41PM
    • It's sad really. I have had similar conversations with family members that claim that Labor have "stuffed everything up" with their spending.
      I then asked their opinion about PPL, buying the boats, and $15K unemployment handouts. I had an even more hostile response.
      Stunned silence and disbelief when I tell them those 3 policies are LNP policies.
      All they read are headlines - all they hear are slogans.

      Commenter
      AL
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:44PM
    • Behold the power of the Murdoch press!

      Commenter
      Peter A
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:45PM
    • I have been wondering the same thing, Passionfruit. I am also stunned by the number of my university educated colleagues who have swallowed the Coalition propaganda, hook, line and sinker. It never occurred to them to express 300 billion/ 400 billion as a % of GDP or to separate government debt from Total debt (ie including the private debt of the people of Australia).

      I have been told repeatedly that Australia must "live within our means". But when I question further they say that it is Ok to have a mortgage. They gape when I tell them that Net Government debt is equivalent to a person on a salary of $100,000 a year having a debt of $13,000.

      So no the simplist of messages is not getting across. Maybe there has been too much reliance on the economic acumen of the voters. Perhaps our pollies don't know how to communicate simplified concepts.

      The polls say that the greatest issue concerning voters is the economy. If labor has not been able to reassure voters who have been listening to doom and gloom for months and months, then they can't win this election.

      I for one will be extremely sorry as I live in Qld and have had a full meal of LNP cuts and useless economic policies. Qld's unemployment is up 2% above the national average and small business is struggling. Assets are being sold off, cheap. Qld is almost in recession. The industry in which I work is on its knees and my income is one third of what it was under Bligh.

      This is a foretaste of what is to come under Abbott. I won't be celebrating on Saturday night unless Rudd comes from behind!

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:59PM
    • For all the talk about the Murdoch press, commercial TV news and radio guys like Alan Jones are at least a big a source of "news" and they're just as bad for "sensational" headlines that mislead voters but reach a hell of a lot more than any newspaper editorial.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:04PM
    • No one has any idea how PPL is going to affect franking credits plus dividends, and those who think they might lose must be pretty well off to start with.

      Commenter
      David Morrison
      Location
      Blue Mountains
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:10PM
    • It's lowering the business tax not the PPl that impacts on the franking credits. Most thinking people think a lower business tax is good as it increases jobs. But according to you, to keep the taxi driver's franking credits high a business tax of 73% would be splendid

      Commenter
      Ian
      Location
      Lee
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:14PM
  • The 170,000 hectare extension to the Tasmanian Wilderness World Heritage Area is seen as the crowning conservation achievement of three years of forest peace talks. Even the industry is urging the Coalition to think again.

    Made in the heat of an election campaign, surely this is an unachievable false promise by the Coalition?

    "No," said opposition environment spokesman Greg Hunt. "We can work with the international community on this. It's not difficult. That's what governments do all of the time."

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/coalition-push-for-third-ever-world-heritage-reversal-20130903-2t2gl.html#ixzz2dnwk3uPY

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 3:28PM
    • Isn't every tree saved one less the Coalition has to plant? Surely protecting forests is a no-brainer for the tree-loving Coalition? Don't tell me that they want to cut trees down while the poor Green Army desperately tries to keep pace. Even without loss of forest there's probably 1000 years of planting work to reached emissions targets! How cruel to make them plant while trees are being felled. I just don't believe they'd have a policy that stupid!

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:42PM
  • Now the ALP wants to centralise control of National Parks. Add that to the ALP push to centralise control of health, education, local gov't, free press, TAFE etc

    What is it with these people? Everything they touch they stuff up... why should we want control centralised to Canberra?

    Commenter
    Puzzled
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 3:28PM
    • I can understand why you are puzzled "Puzzled"

      Quite a lot of people don't like guns going off in National Parks.

      And quite a lot of people do not like to see developers being given access to National parks for their developments.

      Abbott will follow newman and BOF and give in to both.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:38PM
    • Queenslanders don't like what the Qld LNP are planning to do in Qld's National Parks.

      Neither do we like what Newman has done to Qld TAFE.

      I for one would welcome a Labor government taking over and protecting our National Parks, and to stop the gutting of Qld TAFE to the betterment of the VET private providers.

      In Qld now, there are no such thing as TAFE teachers anymore, with training, qualifications and conditions similar to high school teachers.

      We have "trainers" with minimal qualifications who work Monday to Saturday from 6am to 10 PM without penalty rates.

      This a taste of what is to come under the Coalition.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:30PM
  • Palmer's campaign Titanic is listing to starboard by 8% and could sink without any help from climate change.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 3:25PM
    • He is beating the GREENS. *Ouch*

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:42PM
  • Tone, J.Fraser, Macca75, Steeden et al.
    Surely the time has come for you to withdraw from blogging aimlessly. There must be something constructive you can do with your time.
    In fact, if you start now, you will have three or four more days to add to the rest of your lives. Good bye, good luck and good voting

    Commenter
    Majority Voter
    Location
    LNP
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 3:20PM
    • If you guys are so adamant that you will win, you don't need to be here either, do you? Surely you've got something better to do, I don't know, like actual work?

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:37PM
    • And good night.

      "Majority Voter" gets put to bed early.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:40PM
    • I agree totally.

      Are these guys going to be keeping this up on a daily basis for the next 9+ years of conservative government?

      Or do they cease to blog when Labor's Social Media unit is disbanded on Saturday night?

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:47PM
    • Majority Voter - I just want to be sure you know what you are voting for - When it all comes crashing down you won't be able to say you didn't know and will have to accept the responsibility.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:48PM
    • Throwing stones in a glass blog are we? You too could be doing something more constructive instead of reading the comments section.

      Commenter
      AL
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:48PM
    • I think Murdoch is handing out liebral how to vote cards in Pommy Abbotts electorate.Vote early and vote often!

      Commenter
      Steeden
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:55PM
  • Don't know why we even bother with voting in an election...why not just conduct opinion polls and let the media interpret them. Would save a lot of money and fuss.

    Can we also please conduct an opinion poll on what I'm going to have for dinner tonight..will save me having to think for myself?

    Commenter
    Chippsy
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 3:16PM
  • "does Tony Abbott think we could make equivalent massive reductions to emissions out to 2050 without a carbon price but at barely any economic cost; or is he questioning whether we should make these emission reductions at all?

    Reducing emissions by 60-80 per cent by 2050 is going to involve some reduction in GDP growth, no matter which way you do it. Back in 2007-08 the political consensus was that shaving 0.1 per cent of economic growth was an affordable price to pay to avoid the much higher costs of dangerous climate change. Abbott seems to be rejecting this idea in his speech.

    When pressed, senior members of the Coalition close to carbon and energy issues – like Ian Macfarlane, Malcolm Turnbull and Andrew Robb – privately concede that using the budget to purchase abatement is not really sustainable over the longer term. After 2020 the size of the emission cuts required are simply too big to be paid for using revenue from income and business taxes.

    They seem to believe that if Australia was committed to deep emission cuts then there’s no realistic alternative to pricing carbon. So, if Abbott sees no place for a carbon price ever but these guys think you can’t achieve 2050 targets without one, it leaves you wondering."
    Alan Kohler

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 3:15PM
  • “Labor Green Alliance” It was a perfect three word Slogan. How can we tie in ultra nationalist party Rise Up Australia into the cosy alliance and maintain the three word rule!! Some people are so inconsiderate.

    Commenter
    Cwitty
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 3:14PM
    • Liberal One Nation al Party. It's got a kind of ring to it. It sounds true.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:39PM
  • My sincerest apologies to "hacka" for not being here all the time.

    Busy earthmoving.

    Only 1 dozer driver and one project manager onsite at present.

    Will be plenty more employed later as it is a 22 unit development.

    Regards to the rest of the Abbott cheer squad sitting at home.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 3:07PM
  • Reckon Kevin could put his time on the flight back to best use by working on his Saturday night speech.

    "Its been an honour & a privilege, blah, blah, blah, sob, sob."

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 3:06PM
    • Absolutely true "SteveH."

      But the Labor crowd will be cheering another Labor win.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:39PM
    • Just promise you'll show up next Monday Frase, I know I will.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:41PM
  • So Labor preferencing Rise Up Australia.

    Not really surprising and is further proof why Labor will be crushed on Saturday.

    I've upped previous estimate of 11-15 seat win to the Coalition to 40+ seat majority. I'm rarely incorrect.

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 3:00PM
    • Aren't the Liberals preferencing One Nation?

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:02PM
    • Wrong Tom...

      In NSW One Nation was placed last by the Libs in the Senate with everyone else including the ALP and the Greens preferenced higher.

      Seems the Coalition placed integrity above a desire to chase votes.

      Commenter
      Vulture
      Location
      Gladesville
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:18PM
    • The conservative "independent" for the Victorian seat of Higgins, Graeme Weber, has preferenced the Family First (no. 3) and Rise Up Australia party (no. 5) higher than the ALP and Greens as well.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:24PM
    • Seriously I think there is an awful lot of distrust of Abbott and rightly so. Therefore many will vote for Labor as the only other choice. I know, I know, but we are discussing human behaviour here not logic.

      So, I believe Labor will lose, however not by the margin you believe. Hopefully nether Labor or the Coalition will have control in the senate and that the Greens can bring some integrity into the system. God only knows it needs it.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:34PM
  • The only people that need any form of induction to vote Liberal are those sporting an IQ of less than 50....and by the sound of it, there seems to be a large number of you around.Does it seem reasonable to vote Rudd in? Why so that he can complete the mess he started?

    Commenter
    Scarlet Pimpernell
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 2:55PM
    • "Scarlet Pimpernel" has been formally "inducted" into the Abbott "suppository of wisdom".

      Congratulations "Pimpernel" the Tories are rattling their jewelry in appreciation.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:12PM
    • Some people look below the surface and in a bit of depth at the parties. They look at historic patterns and policies.

      Of course, if you're shallow and all you do is believe the Liberal hype and not look any deeper then of course you'll vote for what appears to you to be the most popular party.

      And I'm not even going to slur your IQ. I don't need to.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:18PM
    • SP and Tone.

      Seriously, questioning someone's IQ says more about you than your topic of discourse.

      One would have to question, not your IQ, but perhaps lack of manners, respect or dignity.

      And Tones, you didn't reply the other day to this: Other than hiding behind the anonymity of this thread, would you say the same direct to your family, friends and colleagues that will be voting for the LNP?

      Let me guess Tone's, you know of no one that is voting LNP.

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:00PM
    • On the contrary $keptic, my Dad, who has never voted anything other than Coalition all his life is not voting for Tony Abbott after I explained what they were doing to his pension. I doubt he will ever vote for them again.

      Also, I agree, questioning IQ is bad manners. If you read my comment, it wasn't me that question IQ, it was the original poster.

      Just because you can't win an argument with me based on logic doesn't mean you should be such a wet blouse about it.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:30PM
    • Now Tone's

      You have played the IQ card a few days back, which is why I mentioned it again.

      Hence, not being a wet blouse at all.

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melburne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 5:02PM
  • The only people that need any form of induction to vote Liberal are those sporting an IQ of less than 50....and by the sound of it, there seems to be a large number of you around.Does it seem reasonable to vote Rudd in? Why so that he can complete the mess he started?

    Commenter
    Scarlet Pimpernell
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 2:53PM
    • name one coalition policy that acutally makes sense?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:08PM
    • its about 29% of the country

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:15PM
    • @ Macca, the ones they ripped off the ALP

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:09PM
  • Tandberg @2.09

    Why do some cartoonists see things in black and white even when they use colour?

    Commenter
    yys
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 2:52PM
  • I wonder if the RBA now cuts rates at the next meeting the lefties will be claiming that this is a sign of an economy in trouble because of the libs or will they continue with the line that any fall is a good fall?

    Commenter
    Already Reflected
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 2:49PM
    • Er, it's the Liberal Party claiming that lower interest rates mean a bad economy.

      Keep saying the mantra until you believe it:
      Low interest Liberals = good
      Low interest Labor = bad

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:20PM
  • When I listen to what the LNP says, I hear that we must trust them based on John Howards years (even though it was in a global boom time and economically the world has changed substantially since then). I see no consideration for the future. I see an 'instant gratitification syndrome' rather than mindful planning for the future. Why is it that not the LNP nor their supporters engage in constructive conversations?

    Commenter
    Prosper
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 2:48PM
    • Yes, a real worry. It's like the intervening years never happened. Can't they see the world has changed. No wonder I find it easy to be a Labor voter!

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:13PM
    • Emergency low interest rates. means the economy is in perfect shape, eh Tone? Is the governer trying to slow down an economy that is going gang busters OR is he trying to breath life into an Economy that has been battered? What does Glenn want??
      Interest rates lower than the GFC... What me worry? ... I vote Labor!!!

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:37PM
    • Cwitty, under John Howard, low interest rates was good. Now that it's Labor it's bad.

      Repeat the mantra until you believe:
      Low interest rates Liberal = good
      Low interest rates Labor = bad

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:52PM
  • The RBA leave rates on hold, can't wait to see how Joe Hockey makes this further evidence of the ALP mishandling the economy, after all when they go upit's bad and it's labors fault, when they go down it's bad and it's labor's fault so why shouldn't staying still be bad and Labors fault.

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 2:48PM
  • Yesterday, Minister Burke was talking about the dramatic reduction in boat arrivals during August 2013 and attributing this to the success of RGR's new border protection policies. But how, for example, does this compare to August 2012, or is this something that the Minister doesn’t want to talk about?

    Yesterday, Minister Burke advised that August counted for 1585 arrivals in 25 boats.

    Checking the Border protection site which has recorded all boat arrivals since the caretaker conventions cut in, and before then, Minister Claire’s site, one can see that since 4th August (there have been 18 reported arrivals for a total of 1355 illegals, including 44 crew).

    Conversely, Minister Claire's site refers to 5 reported boat prior to 5 August, with 264 arrivals, including 10 crew. That’s an August 13 total of 23 boats and 1619 arrivals, with 54 crew.

    Alternatively, that's 1565 arrivals without crew, but with a further 2 boats not yet accounted for (based on the Minister’s own advice).

    In contrast, August 2012 saw 32 boat arrivals with 1815 arrivals (including 8 separately identified crew members).

    Assuming 1619 as the final number for August 13, the reduction year on year is ~200, or just over 10%. That's some distance apart from the >40% rapid reduction change that Minister Burke was otherwise talking about, yesterday.

    Commenter
    Grant
    Location
    Mitcham
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 2:46PM
    • If only they had've bought the entire Indonesian fishing boat fleet. Then there wouldn't be a problem.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:21PM
  • Comment @ 2:14pm. Mark Dreyfus is in a safe Labor seat in Melbourne. I doubt if he's losing too much sleep "trying to hang on to his seat". If he was in Western Sydney, maybe but surely not in an inner Melbourne seat with a 10.4% margin.

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 2:46PM
  • "Mr Rudd says life will change after Saturday if the Coalition is elected".
    I should hope so Mr Rudd!!!

    Commenter
    Now you see him
    Location
    Soon you won't
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 2:40PM
    • And that's why we're voting for the coalition so that life will change after Saturday

      Commenter
      seabass
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:44PM
  • I don't understand why people have fallen for the con which is the labor CO2 tax / ETS. According to the governments own numbers our emissions will increase by 5% by 2020, therefore we will have to spend billions every year on 100mt plus of overseas abatement to achieve an on balance (deceitful) 5% reduction. This is not a market mechanism, this is taking money out of our economy and paying others to do our dirty work. At least with the coalition plan they are spending money here to reduce CO2 emissions rather than sending it to another country where, in reality, there will be little ability for us to be sure that the paid for abatement is achieved. It probably won't achieve the 5% target but even if levels are the same as today we as a people will be polluting less than under the labor "market" mechanism and the billions of dollars will be spent here and not wasted in foreign countries with little accountability.

    Commenter
    Already Reflected
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 2:38PM
    • I don't understand how people could fall for the con the Liberals call Direct Action.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:03PM
    • How can our emissions increase by only 5%? Coal production in 2000 was about 200 million tonnes , producing 572 million tonnes of Co2. This year our coal production is 414million tonnes, producing 1.184 billion tonnes of emissions. Now add the emission produced by oil and gas and frankly you should realise that someone is taking you for a dil.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:14PM
    • Tone, but you will blindly vote for a policy that will increase our emissions by 5% and send billions of taxpayer dollars overseas to decrease emissions for us. Are you like some of the other rusties on other articles who didn't even realise that in fact emissions will increase under labor. Or maybe like them you think a 7% fall in electricity emissions means our emissions have reduced this year.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:16PM
    • Pen, just going on the figures on the governments own website.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:36PM
    • I've already made my voting intentions public, and I won't be voting for either of these disgraceful parties with their dodgy environmental schemes.

      Only the carbon tax made sense to me - charge polluters for pollution which improves our overall environment.

      The ETS schemes of both Labor and Liberal are all about paying polluters out of taxpayers money to reduce pollution. They should both be ashamed.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:43PM
    • Already Reflected

      That would be liar A then?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:01PM
    • I doubt many people voting Coalition could even tell you what "direct action" is or what it is meant to do.

      All I know about it is that it's a few billion in payments to big polluters that won't actually get close to achieving the stated emission reduction targets. If Tony wants to stop the "waste", canning the direct action policy, the boat buyback policy and "Fraudband" would be a good start...

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:26PM
  • And the Reserve Bank decides not to tinker with interest rates any further. Not just yet anyway. Praise the Lord!

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 2:37PM
    • And what Lord would that be? Lord (kyros) = village priest?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:37PM
    • Getting bored, Pen?

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:57PM
  • In 2010, 468,000 PRE-POLL VOTES were cast, with 159K (34%) to LABOR, 207K (44) to the COA, and 71K (15) to the GRN.

    POSTAL VOTES totaled 786,000, split 285K (36) ALP, 383K (49) COA, and 69K (9), to the GRN.

    ABSENT VOTES totaled 723,000, with ALP 238K (33), COA 265K (37), and GRN 120K (17)).

    PROVISIONAL VOTES totaled 35,000.

    To date, 715,000 PRE-POLL VOTES have been cast which is 1.5x 2010 outcomes, with 4 days still to come.

    The POSTAL VOTES should split ALP (36), COA (49), GRN (9), and REST (6).

    The ABSENT VOTES might end up being more balanced, at ALP (33), COA (37), GRN (17) and REST (13).

    So far, 1.290 Million POSTAL VOTES have been applied for (excluding Withdrawn and yet to be determined applications). Of these, roughly 75-80% will convert on election day, based on 2010 outcomes.

    Most of the POSTAL VOTES applied for have been for general purpose voting (ie: not tied on any party specific basis). These have totaled 742,000.

    In contrast, the party specific POSTAL VOTE applications to date have totaled 548,000, split as to 149K to the ALP (27%), 394K COA (72%), 1K for the GRN, and 5K for OTH, mainly for Wilkie of Denison.

    On 2010 outcomes, the PRE-POLLS will likely split COA 57/43 (over the ALP, only).

    The POSTALS will similarly favour the COA 58/42 and the ABSENT VOTES, 53/47, to the COA.

    This doesn’t mean that the COA will have automatically won but rather provides some guide to how the “OTHER” votes will likely fall on Saturday night.

    Already, PRE-POLLING and POSTAL VOTE applications suggest a much higher proportion (than ever before) of the 14.7 million voting population, voting before Saturday (presently, maybe 1.7M, with a further >1M set to cast ABSENT VOTES on Saturday).

    Commenter
    Grant
    Location
    Mitcham
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 2:31PM
  • If Fact Checker wants a good claim to check, how about Rudd's comment on Sunday that he's previously escaped from tighter spots than this one ?

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 2:30PM
    • It's true, Hacka! Haven't you heard he's been over the wire in Afghanistan?

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:11PM
    • He must have flown economy once in his life

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:24PM
  • Remember people, the Liberals have a pattern of introducing policies that are bad for you. They introduced the never ever GST, a policy that shifts the tax burden from the rich to the middle class. They introduced WorkChoices, that tried to make Australia like America where employees can be fired for any reason without recourse. The Liberals did this. It's in their blood. You know they want it.

    If you are going to vote for the Liberals because you've been swept up in the hype of the moment, have a deep think about why you are voting for them. They are not your friend, even if you are aspirational.

    Wanting to be rich does not mean that voting for the Liberals is going to progress you down that path. They don't want more people at the top, but they want your vote and you are exactly the patsy they believe they can manipulate.

    Commenter
    Tone
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 2:28PM
    • And yet I'll still vote for vote for the Liberals over Labor. It says alot about how rubbish Labor have been in government both Federal and State.

      Commenter
      Paul
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:34PM
    • 1st time voter by any chance Tone?

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:38PM
    • Ooooo Tone - channeling Kev ? Shall darkness fall upon the Earth ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:42PM
    • Hey Tone get your facts right - the Coalition went to an election to get a mandate in relation to the GST - more ALP spin - and it is rubbish

      Commenter
      Baltic13
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:43PM
    • Remember Tone, copying and pasting the same inane comments day after day is bad for your health. It gives you a false sense of reassurance that at least your message is being repeated.
      If you're going to comment on these blogs because you've been swept up by the leftist propaganda emanating from the labor website, have a deep think about what you are actually writing. It is not fact, even though you wish it to be.
      Wanting to be factual does not mean that reading the labor party website will progress you down that road. They don't want to inform people but they are desperate for your vote and you are exactly the patsy they believe they can manipulate.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:47PM
    • Tone
      Not wanting to play the man (I'll leave that for your leader) but do you listen to yourself? Ignoring the lies about the GST, the fear and desperation in your "tone" are not inspiring anyone onto your lonely bandwagon. The only thing in the blood at the moment seems to be the vitriol and bile in yours. But I am confident that there is a good reserve of self belief there that will support you through the news coming EARLY Saturday evening. You will know you were right and the next three years will show them, right?
      Well look, I did play the man after all.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:48PM
    • Tone, are you definitely in IT? You're sounding more like a school principal or teacher.

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:55PM
    • Tone, people are voting Tony in. They are voting Kevin out.

      Commenter
      Peter A
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:00PM
    • Tone

      Look at the bright side with your musings. History may show that the Pulse election thread of 2013 was the Pen, Frazzles and Tone show.

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:04PM
    • No Tone is an "Entrepreneur" as he told us today.
      I'm tipping his latest "money making venture" is posting comments on behalf of the ALP.

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:14PM
    • "the Coalition went to an election to get a mandate in relation to the GST - more ALP spin - and it is rubbish"

      Oh really Baltic13?

      What, 1 day before the 1998 election?

      The Liberals have completely failed to campaign on their TWO HUNDRED PBO policy costings with ONLY 3 DAYS left until the election.

      The Liberals failed to campaign on uncapped, semi-skilled 457 visas in 1996 and completely failed to campaign on Workchoices during the 2004 election.

      The Liberals have no mandate to implement anything they've failed to campaign on.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:21PM
    • Who cares if they went to an election for the never ever GST. John Howard said never ever. He reneged on that. He lied. Honest John lied. Under the same rules that you use to declare Rudd a lar, I'm calling John Howard the Liberal a liar too.

      And the result was that we ended up with the GST, the biggest tax in Australian history, which moves the tax burden from the rich to the middle class.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:48PM
  • Optimist

    Re flesh. You silly literalist you: flesh (sarx) = money see Rev. 19:8. Father, mother and wife are spiritual titles not matrimonial.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 2:24PM
    • Forgive them "Pen".

      Or laugh at them as I do.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:37PM
  • Labor have given us six years of reasons not to vote for them. If they refuse to pass the Carbon Tax repeal bills, they may as well give us another six years of reasons from opposition.

    Or would Albo as opposition Leader be smarter than that ?

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 2:23PM
    • Why would they allow the direct action policy to become legislation? All ist does is throw away $3.2b.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:32PM
    • Hacka, you are sounding like an old broken record. Same statements, same arguments.

      Don't you have a garden to prune?

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:32PM
    • Abbott has given Australians 20 years full of reasons not to vote for him.

      Why the clown still has a mortgage.

      And people complain about paying pollies too much.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:34PM
    • The Coalition have given us more than 6 years of reasons to not want them in power.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:35PM
    • The ALP want to repeal the Carbon Price Legislation, just not replace it with an Socialist inspired replacement which will redistribute wealth to business.

      PS The Snowy scheme began in 49 under an ALP government and was finished in 74 by an ALP government.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:43PM
    • Seriously Hacka, I actually am of the opinion that there aren't many paid shrills on here, but your continuous bleating makes me think you are one. You seem to push the Liberal line hook line and sinker, without ever questioning why, without any depth in your analysis.

      Why do you care about the carbon tax again? Surely you would care about the extraordinarily high electricity prices first?

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:47PM
    • tasch2 - construction finished in October 1972, Whitlam came in in December.

      Kinda wipes out Albo's claim that Labor built it, but let's not history get in the way shall we ?

      Tone - humblest apologies if you don't like some comments. You could always choose not to reply.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:15PM
    • Hacka, it pays to research pal.

      http://www.snowyhydro.com.au/energy/hydro/snowy-mountains-scheme/

      In black and white from the horses mouth.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:43PM
    • Quite correct tasch2 - now could you read out the completion date of the project then the start date of the Whitlam government please ?

      Then can you explain how Albo can claim that Labor built and delivered the SMS ?

      Thanks.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:54PM
    • I want to know if a Liberal government can ever come up with a nation building project on their own, without stealing them from Labor and trying to claim them for their own.

      Liberals are generally do nothing governments devoid of ideas. It takes Labor to come up with the nation building projects, regardless of whether the Liberals are forced to finish them off.

      Snowy Mountain Scheme - definitely Labor, but because the Liberals can't find any other nation building project, any at all that Liberals have come up with themselves, they have to try and steal Labor's one.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:37PM
    • Hacka, if you go to the link I suggested and click on "The History" you will find the following which I have reproduced verbatim:

      "Construction started on the Scheme on 17 October 1949, when the Governor-General, Sir William McKell, Prime Minister Ben Chifley and William Hudson fired the first blast at Adaminaby. Construction was completed in 1974, for a total historical cost (funded by Commonwealth Government advances) of $820 million."

      Whitlam was elected, as you have pointed out, in 1972. If you look at your Calender you will notice that 1972 comes before 1974.

      So as I said previously, the scheme was begun and completed by an ALP government.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:40PM
  • Tony Abbott the conservationist wants wants to have the extension to World Heritage listed old growth forests in Tasmania removed. This just proves the he is certainly not about protecting the environment. His proposal is not even supported by the Forest Industries Association of Tasmania. It has been described as simply a populist election statement. We should all be very, very afraid about what Abbott and his team will do in regards to environmental protection in this country.

    Commenter
    CPS
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 2:22PM
    • Can someone please explain Direct Action? I thought the Coalition wanted as many trees as possible in Australia? Surely that means very little logging in the future? (Just removal of the odd declining tree perhaps.) Or will the Green Army try to plant as fast as the other trees are coming down? But wait a minute - don't we need far more trees than we have currently...so how does that work? It simply makes no sense to me.

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:09PM
  • Abbott and Hockey are going to use their "budget emergency" excuse to inflict the rest of the 200 crappy policies they've completely failed to campaign on during this 2013 election.

    It's the same tactic they used with dumping the baby bonus which they planned all along.

    Abbott falsely claimed he decided to dump the baby bonus after the May 2013 "budget emergency", but he is on record 3 years before in 2010 asserting that the baby bonus would be used to fund his goldplated parental leave scheme.

    "Coalition would scrap reduced baby payments: Hockey"
    (The Age 20 May 2013)

    "But in his budget reply speech last Thursday, Mr Abbott said that due to a “budget emergency”, the Coalition would have to implement measures that were “objectionable”.

    "Such objectionable cuts included “the abolition of the baby bonus, which the government had promised never to touch”.

    “Abbott defends 'fair' parental leave plan” (Lateline 8 Mar 2010)

    "LEIGH SALES: How much do you project that it will cost annually?

    TONY ABBOTT: Well, the total cost of this will be about $3.8 billion. About $1 billion will come from the baby bonus, $2.7 billion though I'm anticipating will come from a levy on the taxable incomes of larger businesses."

    www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2010/s2840098.htm

    At least $5.5 billion per year Tony, not $3.8 billion.

    Commenter
    Tristan
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 2:18PM
    • If the Liberals weren't just politicking, they would focus on the issue of after school care, which affects for more people than the paid parental scheme. Have we heard anything about that from them? No. They like taking money from the many and giving it to the few.

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:49PM
    • Tristan, have you got a point? Would you expect him to keep the baby bonus on top of the paid parental leave?
      Without the PPL he would not have scraped the baby bonus but reluctantly agreed to it because of the budget situation. You guys are really getting desperate?
      Any idea how Rudd will finance the NT thought bubble, garden island, taking over TAFE's and any number of other thought bubbles from the campaign? Have you seen the final costings from labor? Have you been outraged about that?

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:59PM
    • Already Reflected,

      Because you obviously missed the point, I repeat..Abbott already decided in 2010 to dump the baby bonus, 2010!

      In 2013, repeat, 2013, Abbott used his budget reply speech to claim he was forced to scrap the baby bonus when that decision was already made 3 years ago.

      And despite scrapping the baby bonus, Abbott still has a budget blackhole in his parental leave costings that he has not explained.

      It costs $5.5 billion p.a, not $3.8 billion p.a.

      Understand?

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:23PM
    • So you use an announcement from the last election, and the costings, to compare to the costings this election. With that logic no wonder none of your comments make sense.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:45PM
  • Can any of you LNPers tell the rest of us plebs if Tony Abbott is introducing the rich women's baby bonus just to keep his Peta Credlin happy?

    Commenter
    Sharron
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 2:17PM
    • In a word, no. As a Commonwealth public servant she would have access to a similar scheme anyway paid for exclusively by taxpayers. Care to dazzle us all with your explanation of how that is fair?

      Commenter
      brian
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:36PM
    • Oh Sharron, have a snickers because clearly you get pretty angry when you're hungry.

      Oh, and try telling a female earning $75,000 a year and who will get her wage compensated for nine months if she has a child that she is rich.

      But hey, clearly you desperate and so your comments are getting more feral. Typical labor.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:45PM
    • Sharron

      As you well know every full time working mother will have the chance to receive the PPL, not just higher income earning women.
      Why don't you focus on the benefit it will be for the majority of women?

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:56PM
    • kp or Betty,

      Same old snicker ad statements I see kp. I'm going to call you Betty from now on because the only thing you watch on TV is the snickers ad. Not original so try to think of your own material kp (Betty).

      Peta Credlin rules the LNP and every LNP MP has to abide by what Peta Credlin wants.

      It was Credlin's idea for the rich women's baby bonus. Credlin is demanding the baby bonus and Tony Abbott wouldn't dare go against what Peta Credlin wants!

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:33PM
  • Can someone explain to me the point of PolitiFact wasting their time checking whether politicians have been able to come from as far behind as Labor to win? Isn't this just pointlessly rubbing it in? I means seriously, of all the possible facts they could have checked and they chose this one?

    Commenter
    Tom
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 2:12PM
    • Seems inevitable really, Fairfacts hoisted it's sails on Sunday. So what could they do? Start supporting KRudd?

      Commenter
      AL
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:24PM
    • I think Politifact needs to redo some of its ratings of Coalition policies and costings because they are basing their findings on the information provided.

      And as we all know the Liberals dispute the findings of billion dollar blackholes in their parental leave scheme and direct action plan but have withheld their TWO HUNDRED PBO policy costings with only 3 days to go until the election.

      Haven't heard anything from the Liberals' "3 eminent Australians" yet either who supposedly have been looking at the Coalition's costings for the past 2 years.

      They'll probably be as humiliated as the second tier accounting firm which consented to do the Liberals' costings during the 2010 election.

      They're not very good at abiding by tight deadlines, are they?

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:28PM
    • @Tristan: I wouldn't keep up that costing line. After all, we all know that Labor did the same late release at the two last elections - and we also had the smack-down of Labor's black hole by the public service. That was honestly not a good look (especially if you are campaigning on trust and a "new positive way") was it?

      Commenter
      Julia by 10 seats
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:00PM
  • OM MY ITS GOING PAIR SHAPED EVERY DAY..
    An electrical services company has been accused of attempting to bribe its workers to vote Liberal, with a promise of $100 if the Coalition wins on Saturday.

    Western Sydney-based HMP Electrical has been referred to the Australian Electoral Commission after a worker took exception to an apparent inducement to vote Liberal.

    Commenter
    Steeden
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 2:09PM
    • If the trade unions are going to report to the AEC anyone who offers an inducement to voters perhaps they should start with Kevin Rudd and the rest of his cabinet.

      Commenter
      Vulture
      Location
      Gladesville
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:17PM
    • Well they have tried every other type of questionable inducement why the surprise.I had a recorded phone call last night: "Hi, this Kevin Rudd..."
      Clunk?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:28PM
    • "A text message sent to staff, obtained by Fairfax Media, said:

      “Hi Guys – As you may or may not be aware, the federal election is on Saturday, 7th of September 2013.

      "Eddie has asked me to remind you to VOTE and to let you know that if the Liberal Government win you will all receive a $100 GIFT as employees of HMP Electrical Services."

      "Aren't we lucky to live in a democratic country! Kindest regards, Nesska (for Eddie)”

      "The Eddie referred to is HMP owner Edmond Hajar, who runs the Northmead-based business comprising some 20 employees."

      Gee, is that why I saw what looked like showbags in the Liberal's tv ads?

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:31PM
    • Steeden

      I'm more interested in what a pair-shape looks like!

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:39PM
  • Carl @ 1.51 looks like Tony when asked if he'd like to appear on Q & A

    Commenter
    tasch2
    Location
    Mornington Peninsula
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 2:07PM
    • Hey tasch2 did you get a chance to read up on the Snowy Scheme after yesterday ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:25PM
    • I did. Ben Chifley, the Labor Prime Minister launched the Snowy Mountain Scheme in 1949. It officially began on it officially began on 17 October 1949 after 3 years of planning. Menzies was not elected until 10 December 1949.

      It takes Labor to come up with visionary nation building projects. Liberals are generally do nothing governments.

      See:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowy_Mountains_Scheme for evidence.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:01PM
  • PolitiFact rates Rudd's claim false.

    Again.

    Commenter
    Louis Cypher
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 2:07PM
    • Who cares? The fact is so unbelievably irrelevant it's an embarrassment to PolitiFact.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:13PM
    • So Rudd's lies are OK if you consider them irrelevant?

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:25PM
    • ABC Factchecker found that Hockey exaggerated the extent of the Labor debt, and how much the Liberals paid off.

      It also found that Hockey alternates between gross debt and net debt when it suits his purposes.

      Just like how Peter Costello went out on his own in defining money allocated to the states as "loans" instead of "grants".

      And when Costello's dodgy creative accounting tactics were criticised by economists, Costello misused his position as treasurer to pressure the economists' employers to have them sacked.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:36PM
    • dcs, I can't see how this can be considered a lie. Many of us make off the cuff comments about all sorts of things in daily life. It makes sense to me to make a comment in support based on what you think happened elsewhere. To call this a lie instead of an unchecked fact is pretty irrelevant in my books.

      If you want to get into lies, the Liberal Party have made a whole stack in this election. Why pick on Labor when you know they're going to lose?

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:53PM
    • Tony Abbotts blatant lies and relentless negativity are not OK either.

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:54PM
  • Who checks Fact Checker?

    Commenter
    Abbottollah of Arrogance
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 2:06PM
  • Mr Abbott can you PLEASE stop calling asylum seekers who arrive by boat "illegal boat arrivals". They are not. And you know it.

    Commenter
    Mary
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 2:06PM
    • I agree Mary and Tony Abbott was an immigrant boat person himself.

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:22PM
    • They are classified illegal by adjoining the word immigrant. They are not immigrants they are legal asylum seekers not illegal immigrants.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:37PM
  • Ever since Abbott was told train drivers don't use GPS he has stopped using them.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 2:05PM
    • Pathetic once again J Fraser - your desperation is showing - oh well on Saturday night, one party is going to be disappointed and another very happy - and I know what side I would rather be on - not the one man band (Kevin Rudd) that is the ALP at present

      Commenter
      Baltic13
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:21PM
    • Awesome!

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:24PM
    • Thigh slapper Frase, maybe you would like to comment on rudds misrepresentation of the bible last night on Q &A. What a grub. He claims to be a christian then lies about the bible to try and paint a christian minister in abad light. Is there anything that this bloke wont do or say to tr and retain power?

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:32PM
    • One "crack" too many for "Baltic13".

      "Baltic13" prefers straight rails.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:36PM
  • "Carl the simulator patient was on hand for Kevin Rudd's visits to the University of Tasmania in Launceston on Tuesday"

    Carl says it will be Julia by 10 seats.

    Well he is a dummy after all.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 1:59PM
    • Carl's election monitor has the Coalition ahead 87 to 17

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:18PM
    • Carl was interviewed by Mark Riley, unsurprisingly he got the same silent treatment as he got from the leader of the opposition.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:21PM
  • "Team Rudd was on its way to Launceston airport when the bus turned around and headed back into town. This is so that Labor leader Kevin Rudd can be on hand to give a rapid response to the Reserve Bank of Australia's interest rate decision (due at 2.30 pm).

    But this raises the prospect of Team Rudd clashing with Team Abbott which has just left Adelaide bound for Launceston."

    Well there you go, for those who have complained Rudd trip to Tassie hasn't been covered properly this post clearly contradicts that, Rudd got on a bus that did a U Turn and may see Tony Abbott.

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 1:58PM
    • Maybe he wants to drop into Bunnings to pick up the equipment necessary to construct a believable persona before Saturday.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:02PM
    • I wonder if the bus is going to break down again? Carl looks positively freaked out poor guy! Go with the three piece at least there is some melody. 6 years ago of course it was just arranged differently. Can we please have a cartoon that harks back to 2007? Sticking by predictions. Cheers

      Commenter
      Optimist
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:16PM
    • Another Rudd U-Turn...does Rudd stand for anything. :)

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:19PM
  • "Carl" @ 1.51pm has a better chance of life being breathed into him than does Rudd's campaign.

    Commenter
    brian
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 1:56PM
    • Carl, the simulator patient, meets Kevin, the simulator PM.

      Carl attained the position by ousting the prior incumbent Miss Crash Test Dummy. Kevin did the same.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:04PM
    • Brain,

      Yes Labor limping to the finish line and will need major CPR afterwards.
      Any volunteers?

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:50PM
  • Move over Jaymes Diaz you have a NEW contender in the GAFFE department..YUP good ol miss "Sex Appeal" Fiona Scott blaming the refugees for traffic jams!!..Tony you can sure pick em!!

    Commenter
    Steeden
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 1:55PM
    • It fits right in there with their "buy the Indonesian fishing boat fleet" - all ridiculousness in my books. I find it surprising when Liberals claim that the Greens have kookie ideas. My god, look at the Liberal ones! Drone anyone?

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:03PM
    • Abbotts strict rule of no liberal candidate allowed to talk to the media has just blown up in his face...And people are STILL thinking of voting for the Coalition of Chaos?

      Commenter
      Archer
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:03PM
    • Morrisons going to help with traffic jams in western suburbs of Sydney.

      By stopping growth.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:07PM
    • I see Fiona Scott is on track to win Lindsay with a massive swing away from Bradbury - you are correct, Abbott sure can pick his candidates!

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:20PM
    • You know what’s dumb Steeden, continuing to support the Labor party that has created a false economy through a carbon tax that has crippled business and sent householders to the rink, that introduced a (mining) tax that collected no money, but spent the money they expected to collect.

      Commenter
      Peter G
      Location
      Drummoyne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:33PM
    • Hang on. The PPL was meant to encourage women (even those of calibre) to reproduce. Wont that mean the population will rise as well?
      Just as well Tony "Infrastructure" Abbott is going to build roads, roads, roads then. I'm sure more roads are going to help with the traffic problem.

      Commenter
      AL
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:34PM
    • It's a new policy!

      Stop the Jams!

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:56PM
    • Well Tony Abbott is a "Roads Scholar"

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:56PM
  • I wonder why Chris Bowen isn't promoting gay marriage in his electorate. This is supposed to be a vote winner for Labor. I think the "Marriage equality” people should help Chris in his fight for his west Sydney seat. They should do a letter box drop of the area reminding the voters that the only way to get same sex marriage is to vote for Chris Bowen. Apparently McMahon is on a knifes edge.. he needs all the help he can get. In all the rush of the campaign Chris Bowen has just forgotten to mention it. No problems Chris. My name is Cwitty I am from Sydney and I am here to help. I will make some calls and organise some rainbow signs with a photo of Chris smiling at the union of a same sex couple and post them all over the electorate. That should fix it for him… Your welcome.

    Commenter
    Cwitty
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 1:54PM
    • Cwitty. Right now Chris Bowen is upto his armpits in that pesky WHOS NEXT campaign run by the Australian Salary Packaging Industry Association. I don't think he hears you as he is too busy explaining to nurses, teachers, charity workers, etc why he is planning to make it harder for them to own & operate a car.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:02PM
    • Lewis,

      It's not Chris Bowen's fault that people don't know how to complete a log book to record business mileage only, for 12 weeks, over a 5 year period.

      Oh, and it's also highly paid executives, recruitment consultants, sales managers, advertisers and marketing types on 6 figure salaries and salary packaging schemes rorting FBT loopholes.

      Truckies manage to keep a daily logbook.

      So much for Abbott's "budget emergency", eh?

      Always a bit of room for FBT rorting and a goldplated parental leave scheme.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:42PM
    • Tristan. You better Cc Chris Bowen in on your post. He needs all the help he can get in defending that particular policy. I don't think he thought it through as thoroughly as you have.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:05PM
    • @Trissy
      Nurses will not have their car under the new rules because they do not currently use it for business... They just use their cars to get home late at night after finishing the late shift. It's one of the only perks of this low paying vital job. Log books wont help them, There are lots of nurses in McMhan and Lindsey. Both electorates are likely to be lost to Labor on this issue alone. If Chris Bowen and David Bradbury weren't attacking nurses maybe they would get some votes..

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:25PM
  • Steph, did Burke repeat Rudd's claim that 1 in 13 boat people have drowned since the Pacific Solution was dismantled? That's significantly more than the 1000 mentioned by everyone else. Was he even aske about it? Thanks.

    Commenter
    brian
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 1:54PM
  • Fact checker PolitiFact have now lost any faith I had in them. Talk about the boots coming out. Of all the claims made in this election campaign they could be checking, they choose this one about Kevin the comeback kid. They even state that they are not fans of kicking someone when they are down. What a joke. Perhaps they can now check the claim Tony Abbott made this morning that life will be easier under a coalition government?

    Commenter
    CPS
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 1:50PM
    • CPS - I gave up on the fact checker weeks ago, it seemed they didn't want to do the hard work on policy and just "fact check" off the cuff comments.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:57PM
    • +1

      Commenter
      Prosper
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:09PM
    • Naturally when they deliver a finding that any Liberal announcement is deemed false you think the Fact Checkers are doing a wonderful job.

      Or am I wrong?

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:16PM
    • Here's a fascinating one on whether or no Labor saved us from the GFC.

      http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o-meter/article/2013/sep/01/did-labor-save-us-gfc-part-ii-riposte/

      Commenter
      Bakayarou
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:19PM
    • @Tim, maybe we should get them to fact check your assertion... it does seem as if someone is paying them for rediculous fact checks.

      Commenter
      Prosper
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:35PM
    • Bakayou: that's an opinion piece. I could also direct you to this piece on the very same website, also by a professor of economics: http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o-meter/article/2013/aug/27/did-labor-really-save-us-gfc/

      In fact, the piece you referred to is a direct reply to Professor Holden's piece.

      Neither is Politifact Australia's "official" stance. It doesn't have one. It doesn't seem to be so much a fact checker as just another site publishing opinion pieces, quite frankly.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:41PM
    • Ah, but the economist arguing the government did not save us from the GFC isn't just giving an opinion- it is based on peer-reviewed research.

      http://www98.griffith.edu.au/dspace/bitstream/handle/10072/35605/65865_1.pdf?sequence=1

      Commenter
      Bakayarou
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 5:05PM
  • Looks like the environemtn is in as good hands as the economy -
    "Hunt has had a bad year with numbers: he stumbled badly on Lateline in March when he confused square kilometres with kilometres square, and issued a press release welcoming Nicolas Sarkozy’s plan to drop a carbon tax, when the story was over a year old. Recently, he criticised the government’s carbon pricing package for including international carbon permits that the package in fact ruled out."

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 1:42PM
    • Didn't Shadow Climate Minister Greg Hunt write a thesis 20 years ago about the merits of an emissions trading scheme?

      Now Hunt has to sell Abbott's inferior $62 per tonne, $720 p.a for the average household direct action plan which requires an unrealistic 2/3 of the land mass of Australia for soil abatement.

      Well, I guess there's Abbott's 2 million work for the dole tree planting jobs.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:02PM
  • More desperation ?

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/vote-liberal-bribe-sydney-company-referred-to-aec-20130903-2t2b5.html

    Abbott squad in more trouble ?

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 1:42PM
  • Um- are you guys even going to cover why Rudd was actually in Devonport today? He's launched major funding for farmers but the only coverage you had was on climate policy. You shouldn't be skipping this stuff

    Commenter
    Landman
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 1:41PM
  • "Worse for Hunt, he was embarrassed by comments by Woorndoo farmer Mark Veale, whom Hunt met accompanied by popular first-term local MP Dan Tehan. Veale is a strong advocate for soil carbon and has already undertaken extensive work on carbon sequestration on his own property. However, he told the Terang Express that while he is willing to undertake soil carbon initiatives voluntarily, the Coalition’s plan “won’t be a big enough carrot” and “at the moment there’s not enough incentive”."
    Bernard Keane

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 1:41PM
  • "If correct, Hunt’s statement is profoundly damaging because “soil magic” is by far the cheapest abatement in the “Emissions Reduction Fund” costings. If it can only provide abatement for $8-$10 a tonne for 1-2 million tonnes of abatement, rather than the 85 million tonnes planned to be purchased by the Coalition, then the costings will dramatically blow out. Hunt’s costings already appear to have blown out once, after he stated in May that the average price of abatement purchased under his policy would be $15 a tonne, rather than about $11 a tonne in the Coalition’s original costings document.

    But the costing of the policy, which has not been backed by any economists, agricultural scientists or climate scientists, has been one of its many weak points from the outset: Crikey reported in February last year that one of Australia’s leading soil carbon experts, Professor Alex McBratney, of Sydney University, believed biosequestration abatement would be more likely to cost $20-$40 a tonne"
    Bernard Keane

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 1:40PM
  • I just read the report that said Mr Rudd's answer on same-sex marriage was the "answer of the century". If the century is going to be that dull I'm glad I won't be here for most of it.

    Commenter
    David Morrison
    Location
    Blue Mountains
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 1:34PM
    • I thought of it as the answer of a man who has a speech writer that watched The West Wing.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:53PM
  • Abbott and Morrison do not have an opinion.

    To join up with the rest of what they don't have.

    Their boat is overflowing.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 1:30PM
  • "At an abatement price many multiples of that costed, the $3.2 billion budget for Direct Action won’t make much of a dent on emissions — the Australia Institute suggested it would yield about 18% of the needed abatement, based on Australian National Audit Office figures, meaning Australia’s emissions would rise under Direct Action, rather than fall. Moreover, Direct Action will likely fund energy efficiency projects that companies would have proceeded with anyway due to their overall cost-effectiveness.

    Abbott’s commitment that not a single additional cent will be spent on emissions abatement is thus a clear abandonment of the 5% reduction target."

    Bernard Keane

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 1:29PM
    • He should abandon it completely. He shouldn't spend one red cent on it.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:36PM
    • Agreed with Lewis here. Direct Action is a joke, just funnelling cash to big business polluters. If Abbott is elected I'd hope he abandons it and just owns his position as not wanting to do anything real about climate change.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:50PM
    • Keane is certainly a voice of authority. He and J fraser are the fountains of all knowledge.

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:07PM
    • I do love the way anytime someone presents a rational fact backed argument against a liberal policy the stooges on this site play the man and not the ball.
      the arguments can't be refuted so the just call the author names.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:44PM
  • Religious studies invade National Press Club.

    Pell ecstatic.

    Morrison looks to Abbott for guidance.

    Abbott looks skywards and once again mumbles "baddies errrrgh ... worsers errrgh".

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 1:28PM
  • I hereby offer my unconditional apology to Mr Tony Abbott. A couple of weeks ago i publicly derided him over his comments regarding Fiona Scott's attributes of being feisty and having sex-appeal. I now see he was being truthful. They most probably are her best attributes.

    Commenter
    AL
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 1:23PM
    • Stop the jam!

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:44PM
  • If J Fraser and his pals could vote as many times as they post, then Kev might have a chance.

    Commenter
    Puzzled
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 1:22PM
    • "Puzzled" no longer puzzled.

      Loses thread.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:34PM
    • They can! All they have to do is dress up as a homeless person & follow the mobile polling bus around. No fixed address? No I.D.? Not on the electoral roll? No Problem!

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:34PM
  • Is it possible to take out copyright over the terms:

    Kruddtastrophe and Kruddostraphic

    I can see many a headline come Sunday morning with these terms.

    Commenter
    Smokin Mo
    Location
    Ryde
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 1:21PM
    • So can I, if only because the art of an actually clever headline is stone dead.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:48PM
  • 1950s Abbott supports Morrison when he says he will stop growth in Western suburbs of Sydney.

    True Liberals aghast at thought of party not being for growth.

    Polls for Abbott take dive.

    "I don't believe the polls. I want to make it absolutely crystal clear - I do not believe these polls," Mr Abbott

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 1:15PM
    • To true J Fray.
      As you have predicted Tony is behind in this race to the lodge. Rudd has Rudmentum and will stop the Abbottlanch. Just ask his fan club, they are all over twitter today. Inspired by the appearance of a LABOR red tie during his hour long taxpayer funded commercial on Shoe&A last night, the labor twitterati is madly forwarding tweets to each other on why the bible is wrong. #Ruddjitsu #Ruddmentum #ThisIsLabor

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:29PM
  • For people who say the major parties are all the same, Rudd's answer to that pastor on Q&A hopefully serves as a reminder that one side of politics can evolve and grow... while the Coalition sit there crouching in the dark, clinging to nonsensical "tradition" out of fear of change.

    Commenter
    Arky
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 1:07PM
    • If Rudd has taught us anything its that he is ever the opportunist. It a poll came out with 90% against same sex marriage I sure he would get all churchy on us....you know it, I know it and the voting public on Sat know it

      Commenter
      Taxpayer
      Location
      here
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:19PM
    • No. It just demonstrates that Rudd forms his opinions based on what he thinks people want to hear in an effort to secure their votes.

      He has been against gay marriage for years. He changed his mind to differentiate himself from Gillard.. part of his campaign to oust her.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:19PM
    • Abbott's squad waiting for a sign from above.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:19PM
    • What a load of rubbish. Rudd had published his opinion about this issue months ago, before he became leader again.

      Anyway, this is just a non-issue because it should just have happened. Allow it to happen and move on. We don't need to keep hearing about it. Introduce it, then move on to more important things like how to ensure Australia stays a vibrant economy?

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:27PM
    • You can always tell when Rudd is about to say something he thinks is popular when he prefaces it with the word 'mate'.

      Of course, Rudd professed the very same views up until just three months ago before his 'conversion'. But that couldn't stop him belittling the pastor on national television in front of his Q&A besties for not having similarly evolved. The opportunism is strong with this one.

      Commenter
      brian
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:36PM
    • If ever there was an ignorant and/or dishonest comment it was Mr Rudd's.

      Commenter
      David Morrison
      Location
      Blue Mountains
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:36PM
    • Whatever Rudd's reasons, it's the right stance and one most of the ALP came to ages ago (every state conference long since voted in favour of marriage equality being part of the party platform). Still waiting for the conservatives to abandon their nonsensical position instead of complain about Rudd.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:40PM
    • Arky- Being in favour of marriage equality is not the same as being in favour of same-sex marriage. People who are talking about a radical redefinition of marriage should be honest enough to say so.

      Commenter
      David Morrison
      Location
      Blue Mountains
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:57PM
    • David Morrison: I have no idea what you're talking about but I'd like to see you elaborate on what you mean. Is this going to be a Cory Bernardi style claim about bestiality?

      Commenter
      Arky
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:09PM
    • "Abbott's squad waiting for a sign from above"
      Will Rup be living upstairs in the Lodge?

      Commenter
      AL
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:32PM
    • Sorry, Arky. I thought I made it clear that I believe changing the defintion of marriage from male/female to male/male or femal/female is a radical change in the definition. How can I be plainer than that? Whatever does that have to do with Senator Bernadi, apart from the fact that he has the same view in common with millions of Australians?

      Commenter
      David Morrison
      Location
      Blue Mountains
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:23PM
    • David Morrison: It's not a radical change. This is a secular country. When it comes to the civil law, there's no excuse for using a Christian or Muslim or Jewish or Rastafarian or any other religion's defintion of "marriage". Defining it as between a man and a woman and discriminating against homosexual relationships is wrong. There's no logic in support of your position, and while millions may agree with you and Senator Bernardi, millions also disagree. And those millions are right.

      "Tradition" is not a logical argument. Calling something a "radical change" is not a logical argument. It's just an appeal to fear of change.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:36PM
  • I find it interesting that when the Health debate was on wew ere told this site would not deliver a piecemeal series of updates but a thorough report at it's conclusion (it turned out that thorough report was posted just minutes before the site went off line and Tanya Plibersek was hardly mentioned in it) yet on immigration we must have a blow by blow.

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 1:07PM
    • Offer to volunteer help.

      Or go with the flow.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:20PM
  • Can Morrison cut the three-star general crap? does anybody outside the defence force know what it means? For instance, how many are there in the ADF? How far up the tree is that? If there are 50 four and five star generals being a three star is not that flash

    Commenter
    Them
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 1:07PM
    • We don't have "star" generals at all. That's the Americans.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:54PM
    • The Liberals have a 2 star general in charge of troops in Afghanistan.

      For the 'national emergency' of boat arrivals, the Liberals have a 3 star general.

      Warped priorities, Liberals.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:06PM
  • Dear Tony Abbott

    The carbon price cannot hurt the economy in the way climate change will devastate it. One would think it prudent to cut back on our emissions now in a meaningful national way rather than citing one transport company's fuel reduction policy.

    As a claimed environmentalist one would hope that you wish to preserve what remains of the Great Barrier Reef. But your climate change policy does not allow this.

    Sea temperatures are continually rising, rising, sea temperatures will destroy the Great Barrier Reef in its entirety, this is a stated scientific fact. But you will allow our emissions to increase, because your emissions reduction policy does not work.

    You claim a 50% reduction in emissions when you know full well this not true: Coal realises 70% of our power generation, so how have our emissions reduced 50%? The maths simply do not add up.

    The fact is you do not wish to be burdened with the cost of emission reduction. You want growth and more growth, but what happens when you are unable to sell more coal?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 1:07PM
    • ....sell LNG

      Commenter
      Taxpayer
      Location
      here
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:16PM
  • Maybe Abbott had it right by talking up Fiona Scott's sex appeal as her best attribute, although blaming traffic jams on asylum seekers does seem pretty much on message for the xenophobes in the Coalition.

    Commenter
    Arky
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 1:02PM
    • The coalition has not won yet and I'm already afraid!

      Commenter
      Peter S
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:40PM
    • Scott never said the asylum seekers caused traffic jams. You are a dishonest liar but I shouldn't be surprised from the Labor faithful.

      She simply made the connection that many in western Sydney battle with traffic congestion and when they see Labor dumping 50,000 illegal arrivals in western Sydney they are right to be annoyed.

      Can all those who advocate for open borders on this site please tell us how many illegal arrivals they personally house, feed and clothe under the community detention network?

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:17PM
    • Nulla: she drew a connection between traffic jams and asylum seeker arrivals, but I'm a dishonest liar? Pffft.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:36PM
  • Seeing as I've been on here for some time, I thought I might mention how I will be voting. After careful consideration, and of no surprise I am sure to the Liberal Lovers on here, I will be voting Greens in both the upper and lower house, and will preference Labor.

    I have considered both Liberal and Labor and have decided that neither have the policies that I agree with, and neither have impressed me with their behaviour. Liberal will go down the bottom of my vote paper together with the other extreme parties.

    Labor deserves a special mention. They have a single policy that I am interested in, and that's the nation building NBN. I believe that the Liberal NBN is a complete waste of money and that they should be a shamed to call themselves economic managers.

    My vote goes the the Greens also because of the Liberal and Labor disgraceful boat policy. They are spending far more money than they need to, and they are being inhumane about it. Stop picking on a desperate minority and set up a processing centre in Indonesia and there will be no need for people to travel by boat. This is a Green and Malcolm Fraser policy. And the Liberals policies are just bizarre.

    Finally (and not the only other reason), I do not believe that we should reward big business for pollution via an ETS. We should make carbon polluters pay a price, not give them taxpayers money. Taxpayers money should be used for more important things than rewarding polluters.

    Commenter
    Tone
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 12:57PM
    • Your vote will be counted for Labor. You are voting for three more years like the last 6.

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:12PM
    • At least he isn't voting for 3 more years like 1954!

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:15PM
    • Well done Tone.

      I am moving towards the same point of view as the one you have reached. However, if I do vote in the lower house I will not allow Green preferences to go to either Labor or the Coalition. I am afraid my patience for these twins of identical policies has passed tolerance.

      It actually begs belief how any rational person could contemplate voting for either of them. Basically the choice is liar A or liar B? Hello?

      Ooh I'm going to vote for a liar look at me? If it was not so pathetically sad it would be humorous.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:18PM
    • Cwitty, I don't have a problem with that. I couldn't care less about Rudd or Abbott, but I hate just about every one of the Liberal policies, including the ones that the Liberals have managed to get Labor to implement.

      My funding goes to the Greens.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:42PM
    • Pen - I will take your advice and look at the vote sheet and see who I can preference before Labor. The important thing here is to vote for a candidate that can actually get voted in in my area.

      If that's going to be between Liberal and Labor then I will prefer Labor over Liberal basically because of the policies and that I dislike most of the politicians in the Liberal Party due to their blatant dishonesty. Yes, that Labor Party are dishonest too, but their policies are less harmful to the Australian people.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:43PM
    • @ Tone,

      Mate I agree with with you for the most part and my views on the NBN have been made known on this site and others; it is because of those views that it is the single most important piece of infrastructure for our Nation that we will see in our lifetime that I will be voting the way I am.

      I'm unsure where these comments come from about fearing the next three years as being like the last 6. Yes there have been errors made, yes there has been infighting however show me one Government in the history of our nation that hasn't made some errors?

      Labor has kept us in positive growth, avoided a recession, employment has remained steady etc etc. On this basis alone given the most challenging global economical conditions since the Great Depression they should be given the opportunity for another term.

      Maybe the best way to get my point across is to quote one of Abbott's rare moments of clarity;

      "Confronted with two unpalatable and unavoidable options, it’s morally permissible to choose the lesser evil but not to choose the lesser evil when no choice is necessary. "

      On Saturday the lesser evil is Labor.

      Commenter
      Chippsy
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:48PM
  • Abbott and senior Shadow Minister agree :

    Mr Morrison offers one the great truisms of Australian political life: "As I'm sure Tony will agree there's not too many people trying to get our jobs on either side of the political fence."

    Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/the-pulse-live/federal-election-2013-live-september-3-2013-20130903-2t1rm.html#ixzz2dnJMKKxW

    Liberal party devoid of talent.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 12:52PM
  • Senior Abbott Shadow Minister admits defeat :

    Mr Morrison: "We will always hold the government to account. We will always be consistent."

    Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/the-pulse-live/federal-election-2013-live-september-3-2013-20130903-2t1rm.html#ixzz2dnIoNRCc

    Only 4 more sleeps until Abbott gives his tear laden resignation speech.

    True Liberals ecstatic.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 12:51PM
  • Abbot stumbles.

    Can't find the door.

    Out of his climate change nightmare.

    Murdoch intervenes with advice from 5th Avenue apartment overlooking Central Park.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 12:45PM
    • Steph

      Do we really have to read this sort of meaningless dribble? Surely, Fraser, you can make a point without this sort of rubbish.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:52PM
    • @"Puzzled"

      If I could figure out your pseudonym I would offer you some help.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:11PM
    • Unfortunately, Steph, this is the highest level of debate we can expect from those on the left.

      Commenter
      Simon
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:17PM
    • "Puzzled" elected the funny bone of the Abbott cheer squad.

      Unanimous decision.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:17PM
    • Yes Frase, how you're back here after telling everyone how it was a sinking ship, and how much better things were over at The Guardian.

      Did you wear out your welcome after five minutes or something?

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:29PM
    • J Fraser must work for the age, only someone so close to the editor could be allowed to publish such waffle and so often

      Commenter
      genghis
      Location
      Saturday night party night, no rudds allowed
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:29PM
  • That question put to Rudd on what Labor will do about carbon pricing should the Coalition win is pretty silly. As if Rudd will have any say at all on anything if the Coalition win.

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 12:43PM
    • Journalism school flooded with Journalists looking for refresher courses.

      East coast State governments admit Tafe closures means Australia stuck with current crop.

      Everyone sad.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:55PM
  • Well Labor haven't listened to the electorate for six years, so why start now.

    If elected, the Coalition would have a clear mandate to remove the carbon tax, but it seems Labor would refute this. This election is clearly a referendum on the carbon tax, and truth in government.

    When Howard lost in 2007, the Coalition accepted Work choices was repudiated by the people, and passed the ALP changes.

    At least if there is a double dissolution, it would be a chance for the voters to send an even stronger message to Labor and the Greens. It seems that neither hear voter messages very well.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 12:41PM
    • If there is a double dissolution then that would be the voters' 3rd attempt to send a message on pricing carbon doixide... each one louder than the previous.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:47PM
    • @"hacka"

      Be honest .... you haven't listened to Labor.

      Don't try to drag others into your nightmare.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:48PM
    • Fraser - you clearly haven't noticed but most of the electorate have stopped listening to Labor.

      Very much looking forward to a Rudd speech around 10pm on Saturday night.

      You still calling a 10 seat win ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:52PM
    • Claiming the election is a referendum on a single issue is always iffy (Workchoices in 2007 is the only election I can remember where that was arguably the case... maybe also Hewson's GST in 1993). In this case I thought it was meant to be a referendum on Labor's handling of the economy (or, really, on how Labor's handling of the economy has been reported and spun).

      Heck, claiming the election is being decided on the carbon tax is akin to claiming it's being decided on the issue on which the Coalition and their media friends have been the most deceptive and dishonest. Wouldn't do that if I were them.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:01PM
  • Abbott in trouble.

    Polls unreliable.

    Abbott may lose his seat (and budgies).

    Murdoch in a tither.

    Pell praying.

    Media looking for excuses.

    Abbott cheer squad desolate (most Aussies can't see any difference).

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 12:37PM
    • Stop the bus it is a 10 seat victory to Julia Gillard..
      PS was it intentional that this comment reads like a Japanese Haiku?

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:47PM
    • J Fraser wakes up. Damn! It was all a dream.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:49PM
    • Chuckle !

      Commenter
      Dream
      Location
      Time
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:50PM
    • Hey Cwitty, is "Stop the Bus" a new Liberal policy slogan?

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:07PM
    • Tom it all depends.. do the busses have illegal queue jumping, M4 clogging, tax payer funded plasma TV watching asylum seekers on them? :)

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:17PM
    • Cwitty: The sad thing is your side has done pretty well in getting people to believe that asylum seekers get off the boats and get given a free job, a free house, a plasma TV and now apparently the ability to clog the traffic on the M4. You joke, I joke, but that's exactly the kind of rubbish that has been winning votes for the Coalition, thanks to their friends in the media repeating it ad nauseum.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:43PM
  • Taxpayer

    Go back to the UK coal industry in the 1960's-70's and what it is today. Are you suggesting that what the UK did we cannot do? How much coal does Canada export, yet producers multiple more green energy than we do?

    Do you genuinely believe that we can keep producing billions of tonnes of CO2 each year and get away with it? Can anyone actually be that naive?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 12:36PM
    • Thatcher broke the coal miners Union because she was ahead of her time on climate change. Are you suggesting we break our mining unions?
      Wow.. I din't know how good Maggie really was.

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:50PM
    • not naive and I do think you are rather selective in your facts. You quote per capita when it suits and absloutes when that suits. Any way you cut it whatever we do down here in Oz pales into insignificance compared to whats happening in places like India and China. I applaud your zeal, you are wasted here, if you really want to make a difference go to china and india and start there....we could go back to the stone age here on fossil fuels and it won't make a difference to the world equation. But you already knew that

      Commenter
      Taxpayer
      Location
      here
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:08PM
    • Pen, I just saw your 11.44 photo and take it all back

      Commenter
      Taxpayer
      Location
      here
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:14PM
    • Taxpayer

      I repeat in 2012 China spent $109.8 billion on green energy. The USA despite its financial woes invested $35 billion. India has set aside US$7.9 billion to facilitate the flow of renewable energy into its electricity grid.

      In 2011 India produced 162 billion KWh through green energy compared to Australia’s 29 billion KWh. China 797 billion KWh, and the USA 520 billion KWh. Canada of similar size and population to that of Australia produced 399 billion KWh.

      Australia being the greatest producer of Co2 per capita is so far down the list of green energy producing countries it is embarrassing.

      While the rest of the world is investing hundreds of billions of dollars on green energy to fight climate change, we in Australia have been systematically made paranoid to believe the carbon tax is the worst of all evils. But our GDP is around 1.3-1.5 trillion dollars, the carbon tax is a miniscule 0.26 - 0.3% of this.

      Why has Abbott built his entire campaign around resisting an expenditure of little consequence? There is only one answer: the carbon tax represents the thin end of the wedge for those who hold power in the coal industry.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:25PM
    • ...cause the carbon tax does not actually alter the fuel choice. It would need to be 5 -10x higher to dissuade industry on a cost basis (no one is that stupid to actually hammer us by that much). Which leaves the carbon tax as a 'slush fund' for redistribution of tax revenues. So the ALP have built a system that ticks the box for the greens, does nothing to change the fuel mix and creates a pool of revenues they can choose to redistribute to their besties.....ps. I checked Australia's investment in renewables in 2012 vs China...we outspent them two to one. Care to guess how much they outspent us on fossil fuels?

      Commenter
      Taxpayer
      Location
      Here
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:42PM
    • on a per capita basis of course

      Commenter
      Taxpayer
      Location
      Here
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:46PM
  • Brisbane house prices jump in last quarter.

    Gerry Harvey says sales are up.

    Interest rates at record low.

    Will Abbott promise to keep interest rates low ?

    Ha !

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 12:34PM
    • I sincerely hope NOT! A pox on emergency low interest rates :(

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:52PM
    • It's just the same "deal" as Sportsbet paying out early on the election. People are comfortable that they know the result and are beginning to move on from the uncertainty of this ludicrous ALP/Greens/Indie shambles.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:54PM
  • The message from both Labor & the Coalition seems to be that if we don't vote "Y" (Coalition in the NSW Senate ballot paper) then we will have a double dissolution over carbon tax and another election.
    Do we really want another election?

    Commenter
    Vulture
    Location
    Gladesville
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 12:32PM
    • If you don't ... then vote for Labor.

      If you want anther election run by Murdoch then vote informal.

      Just don't vote for Captain No.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:47PM
  • Abbott in all his radiant arrogance is now telling us, should he become PM labor will vote for removing the carbon tax. Abbott is all so back flipping on holding a double dissolution election.

    Commenter
    Tim
    Location
    InnerCity
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 12:26PM
    • There you have it Mathias Cormann is saying the opposite of Abbott about a double dissolution election.

      Commenter
      Tim
      Location
      InnerCity
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:33PM
    • There's no point having a double dissolution election if proportional representation means that he'll lose anyway. It's not like the population will vote all Liberals in when they know they have a dodgy Liberal government.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:43PM
    • The upper house stands to become even more unworkable should a double dissolution election proceed and that would be in nobody's interest after the last 6 years. You need to at least give the man a few minutes in the Prime-ministership before you judge him therein.

      Commenter
      Fred
      Location
      Bloggs
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:47PM
    • If you think that in winning by a sizeable margin when one of his key policies since Gillard broke her promise to the people isn't a mandate then I'd like to know what is. If the ALP loses and still refuses to pass core political policies then it is the ALP who is arrogant.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:51PM
  • When it comes to the Manufacturing sector or foreign investment Labor are Economic nationalist – “We can’t afford for THEM to do it”
    When it comes to the Budget Labor are Economic conservatives “We can’t afford the interest payments of big deficits”
    When it comes to social progression that Labor conceived, like NDIS or GONSKI, Labor are economic socialists “We can’t afford not to do it for our Children and our future”
    When it comes to a superior progressive scheme, that Labor did not conceive, like PPL. Labor become economic rationalist. “We can’t afford it at all”
    What does Labor really stand for?
    @tristan

    Commenter
    Cwitty
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 12:14PM
    • Pragmatism !

      Commenter
      Opto
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:41PM
    • You mean Populisim!

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:43PM
    • Cwitty - Yeah the ALP is populist and the Libs are true to their ideology - keep telling yourself that if it hepls you to sleep at night,

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:10PM
  • @ 10.54 - Does he do that so no one can seem him crossing his fingers?

    Commenter
    tasch2
    Location
    Mornington Peninsula
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 12:06PM
  • Four more sleeps then he is gooooone.

    Commenter
    Now you see him
    Location
    Soon you won't
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 12:05PM
    • Do you think Pell will have a position for him.

      Or Gina.

      Or Murdoch.

      Gosh Abbott can take his pick of second class jobs.

      And he is admirably suited for it after his failures of the last 20 years.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:40PM
    • Abbott won't have to moonlight in all his other jobs once he's PM. He'll be able to hang up his fluoros and treat the workers with contempt again! Oh won't that be a relief for him.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:45PM
  • Almost 3 hours ago Rudd arrived in Tasmania. No pics, no story,no angry faces and grimaces to post, we are not even seeing Rudd's shoes.
    Balanced, almost like Sky news

    Commenter
    tashman1
    Location
    melb
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 11:57AM
    • Maybe if he went for a run or a ride on his bike - you know the important things -we would get some coverage

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:04PM
    • Almost 6 years ago Rudd arrived at the Lodge. No policies delivered, no promises kept, no leadership shown. No party unity.

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:11PM
    • I typed that as I watched Rudd's interview on Sky. Rudd's comment still no reply but Abbotts conference is being reported

      Commenter
      tashman1
      Location
      melb
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:20PM
    • I've just looked outside and he is not there! Climbing the organ pipes perhaps? - no probably not! Maybe he's gone looking for some Tassie devils or he could be stuck on the tarmac at the airport awaiting clearance? Perhaps the bus has broken down or maybe the election campaign? Over to you!

      Commenter
      PDJ
      Location
      Down Under
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:57PM
  • Pen

    Good to see you out and about with your hard hat on - Pulse @ 11:44

    Commenter
    $keptic
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 11:53AM
    • If you're the one on the left can I have your phone number Pen.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:03PM
    • @SteveH.

      A bit to hot for you.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:38PM
    • Yes, I used to find him a real pest, but the more I see of him now, the more I understand him.

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:44AM
  • Time for a bit of a reminder of what Krudd's colleagues really think of him:

    "We need to get out of this idea that Kevin is a messiah who will deliver an election back to us. That is just, I think, fanciful ..." Nicola Roxon.

    "There’s no doubt Kevin has been undermining the government for more than a year now.” Tony Burke.

    "and Kevin..became increasingly impossible to work with and as a government we simply weren’t delivering the way we should have been able to." Tony Burke.

    “What you’re seeing is an attempt to rewrite history. Kevin Rudd had contempt for the cabinet ... [and] what brought him down a year ago is that the Australian public figured out he had contempt for them” Senator Stephen Conroy.

    "For too long, Kevin Rudd has been putting his own self-interest ahead of the interests of the broader labour movement and the country as a whole, and that needs to stop. The Party has given Kevin Rudd all the opportunities in the world and he wasted them with his dysfunctional decision making and his deeply demeaning attitude towards other people including our caucus colleagues." Wayne Swan.

    "There is too much at stake in our economy and in the political debate for the interests of the labour movement and working people to be damaged by somebody who does not hold any Labor values." Wayne Swan.

    If this is what Krudd's labor colleagues think of him, why should anyone vote for him or the tarnished labor brand.

    Commenter
    kp
    Location
    brisbane
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 11:44AM
    • because he's Kevin from Queensland and he's an underdog here to help?

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:48AM
    • All forgotten and forgiven now. Bright shiny and new under the old Messiah!

      Commenter
      Fred
      Location
      Bloggs
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:51AM
    • Surely those comments were just Murdoch comments?

      Commenter
      dRod
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:01PM
    • J Fraser will

      Commenter
      Baltic13
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:32PM
  • Kelly "Pants on Fire" O'Dwyer, my local Liberal member for Higgins repeated Joe Hockey's lie about parental leave funding in last week's local newspaper.

    Kelly O'Dwyer :
    "The Coalition's paid parental leave scheme will be administered through the Family Assistance Office and FULLY FUNDED through a 1.5% levy of the top 3,000 companies earning more than $5 million in taxable income."

    “Coalition fumbles over parental leave funding”
    (ABC radio PM transcript 19 Aug 2013)

    "NEIL MITCHELL: What percentage of the money do they provide?

    JOE HOCKEY: Well the 3,000 - well 100 per cent.

    SABRA LANE: That's not right, and the Shadow Treasurer Joe Hockey corrected himself quickly, but he was challenged again on the details of what companies will pay.

    NEIL MITCHELL: So what's the percentage, roughly?

    JOE HOCKEY: Well it has to be at least 50 or 60 per cent, 60 or 70 per cent. But I'm not going to speculate Neil because it is - I haven't got the numbers in front of me, in a car."

    www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2013/s3828937.htm

    Commenter
    Tristan
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 11:37AM
  • Perhaps there is a little xenophobia creeping into Parliament ?

    Commenter
    PDJ
    Location
    Canberra ?
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 11:30AM
    • It didn't creep in. It made speeches. And it wasn't just Pauline Hanson- it's the Coalition who discovered they were onto a winner pitching to the same xenophobic streak in society that Hanson brought into the light, and assuring them that they were OK to not be "politically correct".

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:55PM
  • As a resident of Wannon I don't blame Bradley Ferguson for not coming down, his chances of winning are zero - this electorate would vote liberal even if the candidate admitted to mass murder.

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 11:25AM
  • On a visit to an Adeliade family this morning Tony Abbott tells them "how much cheaper life would be under a coalition government"
    How disappointed this family is going to be once they realise what a lie this is. Do people really believe that the the cost of living is magically going to fall with an LNP government in office?

    Commenter
    CPS
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 11:24AM
    • CPS - Great article in the Age over the weekend about the "Affluenza Epidemic" in Australia which covers the "Cost of living" myths.

      But it would want ot be cheaper under a coalition govt considering they are taking away the school kids bonus, low income super rebate and grealty reducing the immediate write off of assets for small business.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:33AM
  • I would like to draw the attention of voters to the two television appearances of the leaders yesterday. I first watched the Lee Sales interview with Tony Abbott and found the answers he gave appeared to be well rehearsed and preconceived as do most of the statements he has made throughout the last 5 weeks. But when he has to answer questions where he has to think of an answer he appears to flounder. This became evident when he was asked questions on the crisis in Syria, it became obvious that he had little grasp of the situation and resorted to a sit on the fence attitude which just emphasised his inadequacies in his knowledge of foreign affairs.
    I then watched Kevin Rudd’s appearance on Q&A and was pleasantly surprised (in view of the extreme pressure he must be under) how relaxed and competent he appeared. He handled many difficult questions with logical and convincing answers and even when confronted by a religious question on gay marriage he explained his views concisely and his answers appeared to be popular with the audience both young and old. In contrast Tony Abbott elected not to show up apparently convinced that he can slide into government without any scrutiny from the voters in a possible antagonistic environment that may show up his shortcomings.
    I would urge anyone who did not see these two shows to revisit them (on Facebook or IView) and compare the competence of the two leaders. I for one do not want a leader who cannot think for himself without a script and could prove to be an embarrassment to his country on the international stage.

    Commenter
    antique/tweed heads
    Location
    Gold Coast
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 11:13AM
    • @antique/tweed heads

      Journalist from both Murdoch and Fairfax Media have watched both .... but they couldn't believe their eyes or ears so they went with the Murdoch line.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:36AM
    • Big appeal but poor choice.
      Cheers

      Commenter
      Opto
      Location
      Hi
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:48AM
    • Yes agreed foreign policy, economics, climate change, education, etc etc are not Tony's strong points: in fact does he have any? Ah yes maybe jumping through tyres and riding bikes!

      Commenter
      Winos54
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:00PM
    • Antique aka Tony Jones.

      Let it go mate. He simply doesn't want to go on your show. It is a poor second cousin to the 7.30 Report consistently rating below it. I have watched it a couple of times and certainly wouldn't recommend it.

      Insult him all you like - it won't get himm on an inferiror show such as Q&A.

      Commenter
      Smokin Mo
      Location
      Ryde
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:21PM
    • I agree totally. And to make it even worse, Abbott's interview was pre-recorded. Makes you wonder how much editing happened!

      Commenter
      EM
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:40PM
  • OK, today's BIG QUESTION:

    Who will be the first Labor cabinet minister to turn on Kev Saturday evening? And at what time?

    Commenter
    byebyekev
    Location
    byebyeLabor
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 11:10AM
    • I know he's not in parliament yet, but I reckon Paul Howes will start at around 4:45pm.

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:29AM
    • Expect such winners as:
      "Kevin went off message after day one".
      "Kevin was a disruptive force in the party and this was the only way we could get rid of him"
      "I think the Labor party will be a stronger party without Kevin Rudd"

      Commenter
      notlad
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:38AM
    • I reckon Tanya Plibersek has been biting her tongue of late. I will go with her to be the first.

      Commenter
      dRod
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:00PM
    • Brutus Shorten. But it won't be Saturday night. Probably Sunday morning.

      Commenter
      Sarah of Carnegie
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:04PM
    • Tanya has distanced herself so far from Labor it's not funny. Even her website has changed it's colours from the traditional red and blue to purple!

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:04PM
    • Shorten biding his time...ready to pounce...
      But he is not what Labor need either. Someone less Unionish with a broader view and some of that lost lamented vision

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:14PM
    • I don't know who but probably the first one who loses his/her seat.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:39PM
    • Christopher Pyne is my absolutely favourite politician. No pretending he isn't a politician..he is what he is and is proud of it.That makes him more honest than most in my book. Go Christopher!

      Commenter
      thereisnoyouinLabor
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:06AM
  • Opto

    ‘Moreover there is another order of Essenes, who agree with the rest as to their way of living and customs, and laws, but differ from them on a point of marriage…they try their spouses for three years; and if they find that they have their natural purgations thrice, as trials that they are likely to be fruitful, they then marry them (Wars of the Jews, 2, 8:2-14).

    There you go Opto straight out of the Pharisee priests mouth?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 11:06AM
    • This is no justification for a new script to Marriage. We are not here to do as we will - the end of that rule is chaos.

      Commenter
      Optimist
      Location
      Again!
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:45AM
    • Opto

      Now you refute the marriage laws of our JJ Jesus. And presumably claiming that your JJ Jesus ruled over chaos? Where on earth do you think our current marriage rules come from?

      Foundational Christian values? There are no foundational Christian values today. Do you have money? Do you pray before effigy? Do you work on the Sabbath? Do you understand that the poor are those who have all up to the community. Do you own land?

      Obviously you are completely out of your depth.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:17PM
    • No Pen you are go back to the writings of Moses Gen 2:24 also quoted by one infinitely greater than myself. I wish that it were different for you Pen truly do. Human wisdom is nothing only The Lord can open the eyes of the blind. Enjoy your voting Saturday and expect a new Prime Minister for this moment. Time will tell.
      Cheers

      Commenter
      Optimist
      Location
      Hi
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:37PM
  • Hi Stephanie, I hope the Age is paying you well, you must have the patience of a saint to do this column day in day out!

    Commenter
    Riddley Walker
    Location
    Inland
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 10:59AM
    • Stephanie is doing a great job good on you Stephanie. Only 4 more sleeps. Wonder where Stephanie's vote is going on Saturday? Hmm!

      Commenter
      PDJ
      Location
      oh Hi
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:13AM
  • Who are the happy pair in the background of the Abbott photo. And. Don't mean ruddock and Pyne

    Commenter
    Rhm
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 10:53AM
  • Re: “Should an Abbott government increase funding for its direct action climate policy if it fails to meet the pledged emission reduction target?”

    No. Abbott knows full well that his scheme cannot work in time to reduce Co2 to a rate that is not dangerous to our way of life. The reduction of 5% of year 2000 emissions is only 16 million tonnes. From our coal production this year alone it produced 1.184 billion tonnes of CO2? And Abbott is spending $3.2 billion on his scheme that CSIRO scientists have warned cannot reduce carbon emissions meaningfully for 100 years.

    There are only two meaningful ways to reduce emissions: either we have nuclear power stations or we have concentrated solar power stations with salt storage, a mix of the two would be the best option. Abbott’s $3.2 funding would pay for three very large concentrated solar power stations as large as those currently being built in the USA. These would reduce our carbon footprint by billions of tonnes a year. Not to tackle climate change this way is nothing but a waste of tax-payers money and Abbott knows it.

    Basically all Abbott is doing is pampering to the will of the coal, gas, and oil companies to cost of all of all of us.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 10:50AM
    • "Abbott knows full well that his scheme cannot work in time to reduce Co2 to a rate that is not dangerous to our way of life"

      Given our contribution to the world's carbon emissions - explain to me how anything we do independently could have any ACTUAL TANGIBLE impact on overall global emissions - let alone the climate.

      Commenter
      Jimc
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:08AM
    • We are intractably attached to the world aren't we? Nevertheless a Solar array with Salt storage as a means of power generation and storage is based on very good and practical science. Of course you need backup and gas is vastly superior to coal. Back to the election comments section.
      Cheers again

      Commenter
      Opto
      Location
      Why Hi
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:21AM
    • No Abbott shouldn't increase funding for his direct action plan to meet 2020 emission targets - because his policy is a piece of crap and a huge waste of money.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:38AM
    • Jimc

      That is t the point, Jim. Every other western nation is doing more for climate change than we are. To make matters worse we create more emissions per capita than any other country including China and the USA.

      The fact is the USA, China and India spend more on climate change in a year than we do in 20 years. Then what we do spend is spent on highly inefficient systems like wind turbines, which at best are only 32% efficient on an annual basis. But they are cheap?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:27PM
  • I thought Craig Thomson was broke? Ahh the spin, of course. He printed all his material on his canon 3-in-1 at home.

    Commenter
    beasleyst
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 10:49AM
    • He found a spare old credit card down behind the couch.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:51PM
  • Kevin Rudd on Q&A last night gave a shocking new estimate of the death toll among the boat people he helped lure to Australia : One in thirteen people drown - since Kevin Rudd scrapped our tough border laws in 2008, more than 50,000 boat people have arrived. One thirteenth of that is 3846 - ALP's disgrace

    Commenter
    Baltic13
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 10:48AM
    • I wonder how many more are going to die on Tony Abbott's watch. Oh, we won't know because of his:

      Stop the boat REPORTING policy.

      How stupid is Tony Abbott's:
      Buy the Indonesian fishing boat fleet policy. Stupidest policy ever.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:01AM
    • Tone - only four more sleeps to go >>>

      Commenter
      Baltic13
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:14AM
    • Tony Abbott will just order the boats to be dragged out into international waters, so the Liberals don't count it as a boat arrival.

      Just as the Liberals achieved the "lowest unemployment in 30 years" by hiding the long term unemployed in work for the dole projects, Job Network bogus jobs, subsidised jobs, casual, deadend 15 hr jobs, and by cancelling Newstart altogether - aka "breaching".

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:42AM
    • Amazing how boat people deaths are suddenly the reason Coalition supporters give out for their asylum seeker policy.

      I don't recall that being the focus when Howard (and Abbott, for that matter) were busy declaring that they decide who comes to this country or the circumstances in which they come, or that being the focus when they wanted to turn back boats in the water, or demonizing asylum seekers in the "children overboard" days, or letting them be maltreated in detention. It's dishonest. Fiona Scott has shown that the Coalition are really still just about demonizing refugees. Crocodile tears for those who drown as a way of attacking Labor.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:47PM
  • He may have gotten it printed on the Central Coast but the key question is who paid for it? Was it Sam Dastyari again?

    Commenter
    Nulla
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 10:43AM
  • Photo @ 10.23

    Cute dog on L plates.

    Commenter
    yys
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 10:36AM
  • This is what TA had to say in a speech in 2004;

    "There is much that Christians have to accept on faith but nothing to stop them accepting with equal assurance the truths of science and human wisdom."

    The same TA said this earlier in the campaign;

    ''so-called market in the non-delivery of an invisible substance to no one''

    So now in order to grab a few votes he's contradicting himself, already paving the way to back away from any "Direct Action" on the basis that they probably can't pay for it anyway and setting us backwards when it comes to tackling a major issue for the world - not only now but going forward generations. This is the same guy who's wants to shut down the Clean Energy Fund which makes money over time.

    Commenter
    Chippsy
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 10:28AM
    • You may not like the snarky tone of it but it is 100% true that a carbon dioxide trading scheme IS a 'So called market in the non-delivery of an invisible substance to no-one'
      I like Pens Idea of nuclear power - possibly the first authentic comentor on the need for carbon free energy.
      PLUS Australia has the largest known uranium reserve in the world at Olympic dam.

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:03AM
  • Pommy born Abbott supports the people smugglers by giving them billions of dollars but he is taking away billions of dollars from Holden workers..Whats wrong with this bloke?

    Commenter
    Steeden
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 10:24AM
    • What on earth are you talking about?

      Commenter
      what da
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:30AM
    • Thats pretty rich coming from the Labor Party who's only policy detail in the past six years has been devising a renewed business model for the people smugglers. Labor has completely abrogated the responsibility of a Federal government to secure the nations borders and control its immigration program. For that reason alone they should be turfed out of office.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:30AM
    • Labor hysteria rises, only 3 shopping days left Steeden, then its bye-bye time.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:32AM
    • Steeden

      I'm guessing that many commenters would agree with the following statement:

      Who cares where Abbott was born, except you?

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:34AM
    • How does Abbott (who is in opposition) support people smugglers by billions of dollars?

      Commenter
      Brettie
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:42AM
    • Steedon, your outbursts become more outrageous by the day, how is Abbott giving people smugglers billions, your desperate attempts to continuously discredit him have fallen on deaf ears, and the Holden workers will know how to vote for on Saturday, they see right through Kevin Rudd.

      Commenter
      Peter G
      Location
      Drummoyne (Reid will fall to the LNP)
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:50AM
    • The only party that has actually taken money away from local car manufacturers are Labor through the FBT changes - I'm not even going to mention how many jobs that also cut from the finance industry. Now Labor proposes to fix that problem by throwing more than the money gained by the FBT changes directly at the car manufacturers. But who is going to buy the cars, if the FBT changes mean that the previous buyers now can't afford to? Labor have been killing jobs and opportunity by rash decisions and unintended consequences. Just look at the live cattle export ban for another example.

      Commenter
      Julia by 10 seats
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:57AM
    • And the place of his birth indicates what exactly? The word stupid is on my lips.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:58AM
    • Well Liberal Lovers, can you name any major infrastructure projects that John Howard implemented while in government?

      Liberal Party governments are do nothing governments.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:04AM
    • Wow Steeden man way out. Is the said Abbott then in cahoots with the people smugglers? What then spending Billions perhaps buying boats for the people smugglers to buy them back when they get here. A new take. Forgive me but I thought that Labor were in power for now anyhow and that they were going to change the FBT arrangements that was going to have a devastating effect on Australian manufactured motor cars. I must have been wrong.

      Commenter
      PDJ
      Location
      oh Hi
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:05AM
    • Julia by 10 seats,

      Abbott declares it's such a budget emergency but he can afford to dole out non-means tested middle class welfare - up to $81,937 per child with his goldplated parental leave scheme, remove means testing of private health insurance rebates and entrench FBT rorting for simpletons who can't keep a logbook of their actual business mileage for 12 weeks over 5 years.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:46AM
    • @Tristan: I for one consider the Coalition PPL an important progressive social reform that we need to have if we intend to bridge the pay and super gap for women. Please stop only quoting the extreme end of the scale - or maybe someone will start comparing how much tax that same extreme end of the scale pays compared to the lower end of the scale (sometimes none). It is not middle class welfare - it is a gender equality policy. If you have a mortgage and you are the main breadwinner in a relationship, it is not fair that you must forgo having children, just so that you can keep the family home. So the PPL is a long overdue reform that simply mirrors what already exists in the public service and also in most advanced social democratic countries. Labor with all it's misogyny charges at Abbott, is simply failing to see the policy for what it is: The biggest genuine women equality policy for decades. Maybe Abbott is not a misogynist after all - eh?

      Commenter
      Julia by 10 seats
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:27PM
    • Julia By 10 Seats,

      There's that sense of entitlement again.

      So much for Joe Hockey's "End of the Age of Entitlement" speech in London, eh?

      Abbott's got an election to win, so to heck with his so called "budget emergency".

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:44PM
    • @Tristan: I would say that the people paying the absolute majority of tax should not be afraid to feel some entitlement over the people who pay no tax whatsoever. If the "system" can't be there to help you when you actually need it, what is the "system" for? Would you rather a massive brain-drain with all our talent moving to countries that better support aspiration? Such a situation would send Australia broke in no time. How about we support our smart, entrepreneurial women instead of constantly just hitting them with more taxes? Smart, educated, aspirational people are incredibly mobile you know. Don't throw out the baby with the bath water!!

      Commenter
      Julia by 10 seats
      Location
      J. Fraser's Crystal Ball
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:03PM
    • "So the PPL is a long overdue reform that simply mirrors what already exists in the public service and also in most advanced social democratic countries."

      Julia By 10 Seats,

      What I find hilarious is you pitching a Liberal goldplated parental leave scheme, while talking about the benefits available in the public service and social democratic countries while complaining about paying high taxes.

      In other words, you want the European style welfare benefits with the Singapore/Hong Kong/Cayman Islands rate of income taxes.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:14PM
    • @Tristan: You clearly don't get it. We need to look after our highest tax payers. Not the Billionaires who pay no tax, but the upper middle class people who pay the wast majority of tax. If you take away the incentive to work hard and prosper, then you take away the will to work hard. Countries like the US, Singapore etc., may not only have low taxation, they also have companies willing to offer incredible incentives for expats. Yes - it is not all wonderful if you are poor in those countries, but if you work hard, are loyal, well educated and talented, you (and your kids) will be well looked after. That is for the sole reason that you generate jobs and wealth for the country. Here in Australia, if you are an employer or taking risks, you are almost a pariah in the Labor system. It makes no sense from a economic or social perspective - but the tall poppy syndrome is so ingrained within Labor it defies logic.

      Commenter
      Julia by 10 seats
      Location
      J. Fraser's Crystal Ball
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:39PM
  • Message to voters in the seat of Griffith -

    A vote for Bill Glasson is a vote for Bill Glasson

    A vote for Kevin Rudd is still a vote for Bill Glasson

    When Rudd retires from politics next week, save yourselves the cost and inconvenience of the by-election now by just voting Glasson in on Saturday.

    It would be a practical decision.

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 10:24AM
    • So if I mark my ballot 1 Kevin Rudd, some sort of magical ink will transpose his name to Bill Glasson? Do you believe in fairies too?

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:29AM
    • Still with the disinformation "Timmy".

      Trying to give Murdoch a run for his money.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:29AM
    • Very good Tim may as well give him a firm round of applause what !

      Commenter
      PDJ
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:47AM
    • tasch,

      You poor thing. Your ballot paper won't have Kevin Rudd's name on it!

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:59AM
    • Good point..... he will retire within a month.... to get a member close to a future government

      Commenter
      Marc1960
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:05AM
    • Beasely, thanks for ignoring the point, as usual.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:44AM
  • Pyne's Brick quote @9.29am - I immediately looked for Cory Bernadi in the passenger seat

    Commenter
    tasch2
    Location
    Mornington Peninsula
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 10:23AM
    • @tash2

      I was trying to figure out which had more brains or a better temperament.

      Pyne or the brick.

      The brick won by a country mile.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:30AM
    • Wrong spot, he prefers to ride out back on the tray, but its strictly no barking.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:43AM
  • Why on earth would anybody vote for these backward looking characters?

    Commenter
    JohnPollock6
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 10:12AM
    • @JohnPollock6

      Abbott is not so much "backward looking" but more living in the 1950s.

      But I see you get the picture.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:23AM
    • It's compulsory.. like having to choose between cold turkey or ham on boxing day.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:26AM
  • I was in regional north eastern Thailand at the end of last year and they already had Fibre to the Node. I was getting 24Mbps in a regional area. All the Liberals are promising with their NBN is to get us up to a speed that matches what a third-world country already has. We need to behave like a first-world country or we will become that third-world country. We need the Labor NBN not the lame Liberal version.

    Commenter
    Tone
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 10:10AM
    • 24 Mbps and you are not happy?
      What do you want to do, run a data centre from your home?

      Commenter
      what da
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:20AM
    • Tone, you are beginning to sound like a broken record. The NBN is a massive waste of money. Just look at the uptake rate, where it has already been put in place. And don't start on the tele-health rubbish as a reason to run fibre to the home, because the only places tele-health will really be used are probably in remote areas with satellite only - and that is never going to hit 100Mbs upload is it? The "we can run small business from home" is also a silly argument. You can do that today, with massive bandwidth using cloud services such as Amazon Web Services. What person in their right mind would run a large web-site from home? In the end, all the NBN is going to be is an entertainment platform, so that people can download porn, cheaper movies from the US and do faster gaming and postings to Facebook. Do we really need to spend north of $50B to achieve that - when our hospitals are bursting at the seams, our roads are choking and our trains overfilled? All that money could have done so much more greater good had it not been for some kind of "digital envy". Please enlighten me how you use (or not) all that bandwidth you now have. What "killer app" (that you couldn't run over ADSL) are you using today that you can't live without? The only few people that will genuinely benefit from the NBN are multimedia people (photographers etc.) That is not justification for the massive amounts of money being blown.

      Commenter
      Julia by 10 seats
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:28AM
    • Tone: I am in the IT industry for more than 40 years - trust me (as you do KR), NBN is a white elephant, there have been much better technologies - NOT fibre-based 5 years ago - but they would have required knowledge AND vision ... and I am not saying I support the Coalition's implementation either ... but please don't tell me about Thailand, etc, tell me about Japan or Singapore or .... many examples ... but they have not been designed on the back of a napkin ...

      Commenter
      ET
      Location
      Lakesland
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:30AM
    • @"what da"

      Anything would be better than sitting at your place weaving baskets.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:32AM
    • Not over 24 Mbps. That's rubbish speeds. I have 100Mbps already in my home office. But I can't upload at anything more than 2Mbps.

      The Liberals are promising about quarter of the speed of what I already have, and they're spending almost as much as Labor to do it. If they're going to spend the 30 billion dollars, why not spend it on something of value - a higher speed fibre to the home network.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:38AM
    • The Coition policy was rolled out in Sydney Park yesterday. 820 apartments, 14 buildings, speeds of 100Mbps.

      Pretty impressive eh Tone?

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:57AM
    • No Denny, they are pretty much limited to 100Mbps. If you had read my comment you would see that other countries are already planning 10Gbps. 100Mbps is what I have already. 10Gbps is 100 times faster than what I have now.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:07AM
    • ET, I have grown up with computers and have done computer science and communications engineering. I can tell you right now that you are absolutely wrong and need to go back to school. Your knowledge is out of date. I'm betting you couldn't envision any of the technology we currently have.

      You cannot get faster than fibre. Fibre signals can operate at light speed. They aren't affected by crosstalk. They don't deteriorate anywhere near as fast as copper. The copper network will need to be maintained at a cost of $1 billion dollars per year.

      Copper has a maximum theoretical speed of around 1 Gbps. Fibre has been tested in the labs in the Petabytes.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:14AM
    • Why are people so hung up about a visionary idea that was written down on a napkin? I have written some of my best and most profitable ideas on napkins. Is having it written down on a napkin something that somehow threatens you? Is it something that you people can point score on because you think it somehow detracts from the idea? I've got news for you. The napkin is irrelevant. It's the execution of a brilliant idea that is the important thing.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:18AM
    • Tone if you are the IT wizz that you claim then you must be earning north of $250K a year. Pay for you own bloody connection to the FTN. Why should Ipay for millionaires like you to have FTH?

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:34AM
    • "It's the execution of a brilliant idea that is the important thing."

      And there lies the problem with Labor Tone. It's been their Achilles heel for ever. That's what happens when your party consists of union hacks that could never make it in their industries, as "doers".

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:35AM
    • As I keep saying, I don't care who implements it as long as it's fibre to the home. The Liberals are spending just as much money on the NBN so why can't they just do it properly?

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:44AM
    • Denny, yes its true, and more. I can afford it, but that's not the point. The point is that if all Australians have fast internet we get all the benefits that come with that, including a modern information economy.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:46AM
    • Beasleyst

      I think Tone's inadvertently shot himself in the foot with that comment.

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:52AM
    • J Fraser, hahahahah you are killing me,ahahah, you're a real comedian...ahahahah please stop..ahahahaha

      Commenter
      what da
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:01PM
    • ET,

      If you still work in the IT industry (not recruitment) and you vote for Tony Abbott, then you're shooting yourself in the foot, because the Liberals have been largely responsible for facilitating the outsourcing and offshoring of skilled jobs, especially IT, since they introduced their widely rorted, semi-skilled 457 visa system.

      IT offshoring companies including Tata Consultancy Services (which 7.30 reported was misusing the 457 system to displace Australian IT workers), are agitating for an Abbott victory as they have an "understanding" with the Coalition that tech offshoring will accelerate under an Abbott government.

      “Tech outsourcing push tipped under Coalition”
      (Financial Review 21 May 2013)

      "Indian technology giants are bulking up on government sector expertise ahead of an expected Coalition victory in the September federal election, with the belief that a Coalition government will adopt an aggressive approach to sending public sector work offshore as part of a search for savings."

      "The Coalition has identified $75 billion in spending cuts and tax increases over four years, and the technology driving the machinery of government is expected to go under the microscope."

      www.afr.com/p/technology/tech_outsourcing_push_tipped_under_Q6GVdFU0n9doSKpalS3EDI

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:33PM
    • What are you talking about $keptic? Which comment was that? Have you got anything to add to the conversation or is it just snide pass-by comments?

      If the Liberals win on Saturday I want you all to remember how you chose a third-world Thailand version of the Internet instead of a world class Japanese version of the Internet. I want you to tell you children and your grandchildren that you "just didn't know" what a stupid decision you made because you believed Malcolm Turnbull's nonsense.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:33PM
    • So Tone you only support middle class welfare when you benefit. Says it all really but that is the labor way.

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:49PM
    • Wrong again Denny - money spent on the NBN is building an economic environment for the future, one where people will be given the opportunity to build businesses and transact in the high speed information economy.

      Middle class welfare is when you overtax the people then hand some of it back to the population, like John Howard and the Liberals did with the GST.

      The NBN isn't just handing it back to the population - it's creating a world class economic environment to advance Australia.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:19PM
  • Good work to Bianca Hall for revealing that the ALP is quietly preferencing the ultra extremist group Rise Up Australia in seats across Australia.

    Just don't tell the people at Lakemba that the ALP is supporting the fight against the Islamification of Australia.

    Commenter
    Vulture
    Location
    Gladesville
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 10:09AM
    • Now just tell Australia that the Libs are preferencing RUA in more seats. Or isn't that controversial for them?

      Commenter
      BC
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:17AM
    • ummm, it is up to you who you vote for and preference in seats (and also the Senate if you complete the whole form), unless of course you are a drone that follows the cards which other drones hand out to you.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:19AM
    • In all fairness. Headline should have read "Both major parties give preferences to extremists" Nothing like a bit of biased reporting attempting to hide the whole story.

      Commenter
      CPS
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:26AM
  • Rudd told Australia last night that almost 4000 people have died coming to Australia by boats. 4000. What a disgrace. Rudd, labor, Burnside, Mann and all the other labor rusties should be ashamed of themselves.

    Commenter
    Denny
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 10:07AM
    • The sad thing is, Denny, that they're not.

      Commenter
      Simon
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:29AM
  • I wonder if Albo will be down at the NBN head office on Saturday night manning the shredding machines?

    Turnbull should soon be getting his hands on that very elusive NBN progress report, the one that Albo had had enormous difficulty in locating in the piles of papers on this desk and when he found it covered it all over with big red DRAFT ONLY stamps - he still has the red ink stains on his fingers.

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 10:07AM
  • Interesting that Kev avoided the question from someone in his own electorate last night.
    "Will you stay in politics should Labor lose the election?".
    Kev will zip outa here faster than you can say "fair shake of the sauce bottle".

    Commenter
    dRod
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 9:53AM
    • that is IF he gets re-elected

      Commenter
      Rough-Ready
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:19AM
    • If he gets re-elected he will hang on and be a pain in the backside. He will be up to his dirty tricks of undermining and leaking because he is that type of personality trait.

      Commenter
      Sarah of Carnegie
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:37AM
  • picture 9:42..just look at the gloomy faces of the people behind Abbott,maybe their thinking "doesn't he ever shut up".

    Commenter
    Tory Tony
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 9:52AM
    • Actually it looks like his listening.

      Commenter
      Brettie
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:46AM
  • Alex photo @9.28 -

    Looks almost surreal - Pyne in a dinky ute?

    Clearly his perceived public persona may not be entirely accurate.

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 9:44AM
  • Chris Pyne in a ute is hilarious. Hard to imagine many of the ex-union ALP guys and gals driving one.

    Commenter
    beasleyst
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 9:43AM
    • Christopher Pyne is my absolutely favourite politician. No pretending he isn't a politician..he is what he is and is proud of it.That makes him more honest than most in my book. Go Christopher!

      Commenter
      thereisnoyouinLabor
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:06AM
    • Yes, I used to find him a real pest, but the more I see of him now, the more I understand him.

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:44AM
    • Well why isn't he more honest about "himself"?
      Then he might have some credibility.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:02PM
  • Queenslanders may be turning to Clive Palmer in the Senate but I still think that it will be the ALP Senate Leader (whoever replaces Penny Wong) that will hold the whip hand in running Australia.

    Commenter
    Vulture
    Location
    Gladesville
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 9:43AM
  • What a crock is our politics, eh?

    Don't want Rudd, don't want Abbott.

    Bad luck to me, eh?

    Democracy at work!

    Commenter
    Ade Scarrier
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 9:40AM
    • If you want to punish them, spread the funding money to other parties. Your first preference vote in each house is worth $2.47 - that's almost $5 of funding to the parties you put first.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 9:54AM
    • Yeah Tone,
      Because Pauline Hanson and Craig Thomson are relying on that.

      Commenter
      notlad
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:39AM
    • This election is a choice between dumb and dumber.

      Commenter
      Peter A
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:41AM
    • notlad, I would much rather my funding go to them than Liberal or Labor if that's what people truly believe is closer to their beliefs. I don't like rewarding the mediocrity of Liberal or Labor, especially given the outrageous lies they've both been telling in this campaign.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:41AM
  • There’s no reason to argue with those calling themselves deniers, the fact of calling themselves denier is ample reason to question their sincerity, if sincerity is beyond question one must conclude abject gullibility bordering on stupidity.

    So is Abbott’s sincerity in question or is he simply gullible and stupid?

    CSIRO scientists informed Abbott that his tree planting climate change policy is fairy land under the moon, short of a few New Testament miracles it won’t work for 100 years and then it’s funding is $4 billion short.

    Not to be outdone in the insincerity market Abbott declared yesterday he won’t fund further miracles towards his fairyland under the moon scheme.

    In terms of carrying our global share of green energy costs comparative to our global emissions Abbot would have Australia rank alongside Zimbabwe and the Ivory Coast. However they have a Great Barrier Reef to take care of; or a $50 million stone fruit industry. However as with Australia they will see a decline in pasture quality and growth; reduced stream flow and quality of water supply; crop yield vulnerability to reduced and heavy rainfall; and stock and crops subject to heat-related stress and disease. The cost to Australia alone is in tens of billions. Nevertheless Abbott admits his “direct action” policy may not reach the 5 per cent emissions cut by 2020, however, he won’t fund it further.

    Abbott is saying that his policy is in agreement with CSIRO finding: it cannot cut emission by a paltry 16 million tonnes while this year’s coal production 414 million tonnes produces 1.184 billion tonnes in emissions and he intends spending $3.2 billion of our money to prove his point?

    So we are left with no alternative than to label Abbott gullible and stupid.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 9:38AM
    • If you say so, pen. Yet, I'd rather back gullible and stupid than ignorant and vapid.
      "Homosexuality is a natural occurence."
      Haven't had such a laugh for ages - what a loser!

      Commenter
      Ade Scarrier
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 9:53AM
    • Pen, just read an article on renewables in the Malaysian Star. Production of Chinese PV panels increasing after a two year dip. Very optimistic forecast. Won't be thanks to OZ though, if the coal sniffing "roads scholar" wins the race.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      KL
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:40AM
    • Capping the Direct Action spend at $3.2B is not good enough. He should dump the whole stupid idea entirely.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:54AM
    • Ade Scarrier

      What on earth are you on about? Homosexuality? Where have I mentioned this? Put your glasses on, if you don't have any then see an optician quick.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:57AM
    • Pen, how do you reconcile a domestic green policy with our massive coal export policy? they are incompatible. If you think the answer is to dismantle the coal industry I think you had better find another island.....Australia relies on coal and iron ore and not much else

      Commenter
      Taxpayer
      Location
      here and there
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:59AM
    • Research conducted by Monash University and Sinclair Knight Merz has found a $4 billion to $15 billion black hole in the Liberal's direct action plan.

      Greg "I edit original Lateline transcripts" Hunt disputed the figures but predictably failed to prove it by providing any costings, and continues to fail with only 3 days out until the election.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:47PM
    • Well, pen, you say Abbott is gullible and stupid, then Kevin is just plain ignorant. He "bravely and fearlessly" (according to the rainbow phalanx, anyway) put a pastor in his place by stating that "homosexuality is a natural occurence."
      This is our leader, eh? Ignores how humankind has gotten thus far in the first instance but believes it's natural now. Goodness me, has this Kevin bloke ever learned to read at all?
      Ah well, perhaps, pen, you didn't get my new Name for the Day - eh? Just say it quickly, eh - Ade Scarrier... he, he..

      Commenter
      Snidery Mark
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:13PM
  • Credit to Kevin Rudd.
    He really did sound very good on Q&A last night. He sounded like he had answers, vision and was PM material.
    The problem I have, is that he sounded that way in 2007 as well.
    Kevin Rudd is a fantastic salesman, but a poor leader. He can deliver a message but can't implement an outcome. I guess that is why the ALP swallowed their pride when they reinstated him. It's all about saving seats.

    Commenter
    beasleyst
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 9:37AM
    • No, it's a one man show. It's all about Kev and his ego!

      Commenter
      Anthony
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 9:48AM
    • Anthony, in case it did not occur to you, it was a one-man show because the person who has been 'ready' to be Prime Minister for three years is as terrified of appearing on Q&A as he is of telling us where the money is really coming from.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:03AM
    • I didnt hear him on Q&A last night but I did on ABC Radio this morning. He kept on about Abbott saying the Syrian rebels aren't much better than the Assad regime. Which according to KRudd is proof that he is unfit to govern - and get this - because we and our allies recognise the rebel coalition. We recognised Nazi Gernany, Pol Pot, Mugabe, Idi Amins Uganda to name a few..Just because we recognise someone today doesnt make it necessary to do so tomorrow. Rudd is such a bone.

      Commenter
      Rossco
      Location
      SEQ
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:12AM
    • Abbott was invited onto Q&A with Rudd. He refused because he's scared to take questions from a Q&A audience. Anyone who knows Q&A also knows that nobody gets off easily. Abbott is simply avoiding scrutiny, I think, because he's a coward. So it wasn't all about Rudd, Abbott was invited but refused.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:13AM
    • Great in front of the Camera's.
      No idea how to run a Country.
      Empty promises and Lies, it's no wonder he is on par with Julia when he Backstabbed her as preferred PM 33%??
      Says it all , Enjoy your last few days Kev.

      Commenter
      sorry state
      Location
      nsw
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:34AM
  • I just cannot see how Scott Morrison could possibly prevail in a debate weighed down as he is with that idiotic boat buy-back nonsense.

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 9:34AM
    • He's asked to borrow Christopher's Brick.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:02AM
    • At least he is not weighed down by the 4000 deaths claimed by Rudd last night. 4000 dead thanks to labor policy, it must make you very proud.

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:05AM
    • Denny. Yeah, Rudd should never had dismantled Howard's successful raft of border protection policies but Morrison's latest boat buy-back idea is just plain stupid. He was already way out in front on this issue anyway.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:44AM
    • denny, how many people have died in Iraq and Afghanistan as a result of Coalition policy. Their war mongering has pushed people to leave those countries and get on boats, so you could say not only are they responsible for civilian deaths in war but also the deaths of those people feeling the war.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:47AM
    • The good news for me Hacka is that you'll suffer him as well.

      I will be a beneficiary from the Liberal Party anyway regardless. But I would forgo many of those benefits to have a fairer Australia. I know you lot wouldn't, but that's the selfishness I find with Liberal Party supporters.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:40PM
    • tasch2 - that was the one that was fully supported by labor? The one where kevin said that Iraq had WMD? The one supported by British labor hero Tony Blair? That war?

      What has that got to do with labor enticing 4000 people to their deaths at sea?

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:17PM
  • How did Alex Ellinghausen take that photo @ 9:25am? Did he take it through the kitchen window?

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 9:30AM
    • Probly a kitchen bench.

      Commenter
      Ade Scarrier
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:00AM
  • It was a little nerve racking watching Abbott on 7.30 last night. Sales tried plenty of gotcha questions but Abbott handled them pretty well.

    Rudd on the other hand seemed to get beaten up by Tony Jones, especially on issues like fiscal honesty. He spent a lot of time on his favourite positive theme, Abbott. It's becoming quite sad to watch a once decent PM grasp for any straw, any minor victory.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 9:30AM
    • Hacka

      Didn't watch either, almost had enough of it all, so thanks for your review.

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 9:41AM
    • Only you, Hacka, a one-eyed Liberal supporter, could see it that way. Abbott had a pretty ordinary performance and appeared to have difficulty articulating his answers. Rudd owned when he took on a bible quoting pastor when he gave back a relevant quote of his own.

      It is well known that Abbott can't handle the kind of questioning that Q&A pushes. Rudd copped it pretty well but Abbott would be hopeless.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 9:41AM
    • Don't you guys ever watch anything else?

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 9:57AM
    • Tone - if you watched it you would have been hoping, praying even for that gotcha moment. It didn't happen.

      Rudd is clearly a better wordsmith than Abbott, although Abbott is far more truthful. Abbott can also do mathematics, which is where Rudd falls over.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:00AM
    • Tone - only a one-eyed Labor supporter like yourself would see Tony's performance as anything but calm, relaxed and erudite in the face of Sale's usual anti-Liberal attitude.

      Commenter
      Simon
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:00AM
    • Hacka, I watched it as well and Abbott surprised me with a strong performance against the toughest interviewer in Australia. He was even able to share a joke with Leigh Sales at the end.

      Last time Rudd was on the 7.30 with Leigh Sales he was narky and patronising.

      As for Rudd on Q&A, Krudd stole his response to the question from the pastor on gay marriage from his favourite show, The West Wing. I don't have a problem with that, although it was not original and should not be claimed to be so.

      That said Q&A is a labor forum so was never going to be too nasty for a labor pollie.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:01AM
    • Hacka, very strange that you can't justify why Abbott is too gutless to appear on Q&A.

      Or maybe it is not that strange after all., given how bizarrely irrational so many of your other Abbott-adoration posts are.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:01AM
    • Abbott is smart enough to pick his own battles at this point in the world's longest election campaign.

      Why would he present himself to a partisan hand picked Q&A audience?

      Commenter
      Louis Cypher
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:21AM
    • Whyalla, I am sure Abbott will appear on Q&A when Rudd appears on The Bolt report.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:26AM
    • Louis, I agree, he can't even cope with a partisan hand picked audience at the Rooty Hill RSL.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:40AM
    • WW - he doesn't appear on The Drum or give interviews to the Big Issue.

      Do you lefties think you have some divine right to have Abbott appear on Q&A ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:42AM
    • Thought the PM was great on Q&A last night, intelligent and articulate. 7.30 Report...same old, same old..."Stop the boats, get rid of the carbon tax" Stuttering and stammering

      Commenter
      jocam
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:00AM
    • A whole lot of other Liberal Politicians appear on Q&A. None of them wimp out. Liberal Politicians like Turnbull, Pyne, Mirabella all appear. Why is Abbott such a coward?

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:09AM
    • Tone - have patience. If the polls are right, you'll be getting heaps more of Abbott over the next several years.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:45AM
    • "Whyalla, I am sure Abbott will appear on Q&A when Rudd appears on The Bolt report."

      Oh do keep up, kp.

      Rudd has already appeared on The Bolt Report and taken questions from the Q&A audience last night for 1 hour.

      Abbott's last Q&A appearance was 3 years ago during the 2010 election.

      The wimp!

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:39PM
  • Here's a question for the rusted on Laborites.

    If this government is so good they why are they struggling to get a third of the voters to mark them as their first choice?

    Seriously, at around 30% who are actually going to vote for the ALP they must be getting close to the lifelong dedicated.

    You may wish to ask yourself why you are so much in the minority and what 70% of the population see that you don't.

    Perhaps it's not really the rest of the world that's crazy.

    Commenter
    Sherlock
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 9:29AM
    • The Liberal vote will also be between 30% and 40%. No major party gets beyond 40%. They only get in through preferences.

      So given that at least 60% of the population won't vote the way you want, perhaps you're feeling crazy too?

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 9:43AM
    • Tone - "The Liberal vote will also be between 30% and 40%"? Huh? Their primary vote is currently around 47%. Get your facts straight before you make such ignorant claims.

      Commenter
      Simon
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:02AM
    • Very wishful thinking tone...every poll has the coalition on track to achieve in the high 40's for first preferences - but hey, what does that matter.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:05AM
    • I presume you're counting Liberal & National primary votes sepparately because as a formal coalition they polled 43.6% primary votes in the 2010 election.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:06AM
    • Ah, so 56.4% of people don't give a stuff about the Liberal Party. Who would have thought?

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:18AM
  • What's wrong with the "stability" with the Nationals & Truss in Western Australia ?

    What's with Peta Credlin chewing out the Shadow Defence Minister ?

    What's wrong with shining some light on Abbott's mob ?

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 9:29AM
    • Don't worry Fras,
      we'll have you to shine that light on them for the next decade or so, whilst they are governing the country!

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 9:45AM
    • I think you spelt your name wrong, it should be Frazier, your great comments are clearly emmy award winninig comedy scripts...a bit like labors campaign.

      Commenter
      Rossco
      Location
      SEQ
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:16AM
    • A couple of answers that Abbott would be happy to walk away from.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:27AM
  • Malcolm Turnbull says that because it is possible to get 100Mbps on the Liberal NBN that vindicates the Coalition solution. That is ridiculous. Most countries are rolling out 1Gbps and designing for 10Gbps. Even if he achieves 100Mbps, it will still be yesterdays technology by the time it is installed and copper maxes out at a theoretical maximum on 1Gbps. Labor NBN is proposing 1 Gbps and has a theoretical maximum of about 1 Petabytes per second. I am currently on 100Mbps - why would I want the Liberal's inferior NBN and a stupid cabinet at the end of my street?

    Commenter
    Tone
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 9:24AM
    • At that speed why would you want to change at all? You can already watch movies.

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 9:39AM
    • Tone,

      How much of that 100MBS do you use? What exactly are you using it for? Will you pay the extra to get the 1GB?

      Commenter
      notlad
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 9:41AM
    • @ Tone,

      So that the money can go to more important infrastructure that will ensure our water and food security and oh maybe health. If yesterdays tech can deliver everything you need then why spend overs to get something not essential. And if you need it that bad pay for it. The user pay system for things like high speed porn over water security I think.

      Commenter
      Rossco
      Location
      SEQ
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 9:59AM
    • Absolutely.

      As an entrepreneur and a supporter of Australian business I would like everyone to have fast NBN.

      Super fast NBN will create an incubator-like environment where everyone has the opportunity at home to provide services to the the internet at very low cost.

      This will allow us to test our services, and if they take off, then we can more on to much more mainstream infrastructure, hire employees, earn money, pay taxes.

      If they don't take off, we won't have blown all our money and can try something else.

      That means it's the upload speed that is more important to me.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:00AM
    • I might add here that the New Zealand NBN study agrees with me. With a 40% take up in New Zealand, the NBN is likely to bring in significant profits for the country. Extrapolating for Australia, the return is expected to be between A$105 billion dollars to A$237 billion dollars over 20 years. But only if we go fibre to the home.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:03AM
    • Cwitty and notlad. The question that needs to be answered is not what is used today but what is used in 10 years time.

      Would you be happy to use today the same speeds that you used 10 years ago. Would not even work for emails.

      That's what is so frustrating about you lot. You live in the past. Bet you still think that climate change is not happening.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:06AM
    • Yes Tone, why do you need one of them new-fangled automobile thingamies when you have a perfectly good horse in the yard?

      Commenter
      BC
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:15AM
    • Tone, you say "a stupid cabinet at the end of my street" we have had a stupid cabinet running the country for the past 6 years, then half of them walked out and now we are left with the dregs.
      Only 5 days to go.

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:20AM
    • Whyalla,

      Who's to say in 10 years fibre will not be obsolete?

      Commenter
      notlad
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:35AM
    • Tone,

      New Zealand doesn't have Rudd/Gillard in charge of their NBN project!
      Albo has a little document on his desk that he is too scared to release. Have you ever wondered why?

      Commenter
      notlad
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:36AM
    • I know notlad, we're going to get a 1950s Liberal government. They're going to be like Whitlam, in reverse, and tear everything down. Every good idea will be trashed. God I wish we had New Zealand's government.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:21AM
    • Tone

      Didn't realise you were running in the election:

      "I would like everyone to have fast NBN".

      Why Tone's?

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 11:29AM
    • notlad, who is to say that you won't vote Labor on the weekend.

      But from what I know about fibre (and you appear to be utterly ignorant of), there is many more times the likelihood of you voting Labor this weekend than fibre will be obsolete in 10 years time.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:48PM
    • "Albo has a little document on his desk that he is too scared to release."

      Notlad,

      Abbott has TWO HUNDRED policy costings lodged with the PBO which he has failed to release with only 3 days out until the election.

      Abbott and Hockey have even unnecessarily commissioned and paid a further "3 eminent Australians" to review their costings and we still have NOTHING from the Coalition.

      All those people working on Coalition costings, and postal voting already opened, and absolutely no costings from the Liberals.

      How pathetic are the Liberals.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:51PM
    • Because $keptic, in light of the fact that just about all manufacturing is moving to China, we are going to have to make up the gap with services. There aren't enough service jobs to make up that gap, so we need to look towards a more modern information economy to provide more jobs in the future. Given that the Labor version of the NBN is likely to bring in between A$105 billion dollars and A$237 billion dollars, this is a no brainer for me. We should do it. Do it now. And do it properly first time, not come up with excuses for why we should keep antiquated technology.

      Remember, the Liberals are spending almost as much as Labor but getting an inferior system with incredibly low value for money.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 1:36PM
    • When we get the super fast NBN does that mean that taxpayer funded overseas junkets, I mean study trips, will be done away with? Surely we can then move towards teleconferencing

      Commenter
      Fed up with Politicians
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 2:20PM
  • So Mr Rudd thinks he can win and apparently has been showing off his Biblical knowledge interesting. Well one would have to gather that having heard Mr Rudd last night that modern slavery had somehow been done away with in this age of "the enlightened". Modern slavery does not display the obvious shackles of neck, hands & feet but it abounds everywhere. Some that profess to speak on subjects to represent their own values and not "their makers" are so shackled as well as many others. They just don't know it and the wisdom that they speak is of experience, learning, deduction or of a grey head but it is not that which we could possibly acquire but only be given. As I said before sometimes a man fights against his own maker and how then can that man succeed ? One cannot by one's own will achieve ascendancy it is both given and taken away as if a man thinks he makes himself. Even Mr Darwin was more open-minded than the ensuing religious zealots that think to pass his baton and fill the universities of this age. When we wish to represent the one that established the covenant of Marriage we should represent "his values" and "his understanding". Love is not to be misrepresented - it is in keeping with "the makers" will and purpose. Sexuality is a given. We need be careful where our minds take us in all areas of life and whose applause we seek.

    Commenter
    Optimist
    Location
    4 sleeps to go
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 9:23AM
    • Pen ... is that you?

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 9:33AM
    • Modern slavery is Sunday School.... or Workchoices

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 9:35AM
    • Optimist

      Agreed, slavery abounds in these modern times. Interesting... your comments remind me of that Dylan song
      Gotta serve Somebody

      Wonder whom Rudd thinks he is serving?

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 9:39AM
    • We are all equal under the law, but according to you in the matter of marriage if one is gay? The term hypocrite springs to mind.

      Was the biblical Jesus illegitimate? No. His parents could not marry under the law until his mother was proven to be three months pregnant? Now what would all of those Christians think of that marriage law?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 9:45AM
    • Cwitty

      No, my knowledge of the bible is vastly superior to that of Optimist. He thinks Abbott s a Christian? Since when was Catholic's Christian?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 9:50AM
    • So slaves were executed for their practices were they?
      Hmm, even Kevvy's bending to the incessant whining of these liars. Then again, you had Julia up front before, eh?

      Commenter
      Ade Scarrier
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 9:58AM
    • Pen the tone of your remarks reminds me of you and does your cause no favours. Hypocrites were as you should know play actors who did not live in accordance with what they said. The modern term is frequently used in a derogatory fashion. Jesus used the term to emphasize the former forcefully not the latter. Cheers

      Commenter
      Opto
      Location
      Hi Pen
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:15AM
    • Pen you are in error in the Biblical time of Christ the proposed couple frequently lived together as in a trial marriage and they had to restrain their sexuality. They were "as Married' but were forbidden from exercising sexual relations until later after the ceremony it was a "trial time". Consequently the Pharisees were always judgmental of Christ and his origins as they saw his conception as adulterous, themselves not being privy to the truth. Again The Pharisees wanted Jesus to condemn the woman taken in adultery as it was not consistent with the law having a zeal for "Their Maker". But never mind you have your own thoughts and I can see that nothing is going to prevail upon you to the contrary. Kind regards

      Commenter
      Opto
      Location
      Hi Pen
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:29AM
    • Pen when you stand before your maker just remind him how knowledgeable you are. The Greens represent "Earthly" values inconsistent with the Creator. This is not a strict condemnation of them. However the morality of all human behaviour is vastly more important an issue than the morality of how man treats the creation. I have not elevated Tony but I recognize what is happening at this time and observe that he does represent some foundational Christian values. I am not saying that he is without error but will completely avoid your descriptive terminology. Have good day cheers.

      Commenter
      Opto
      Location
      4 Sleeps
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:40AM
  • I still cant decide which car to buy with my free 75 GRAND for popping out a kid..Should i buy the BMW or the Mercedes Sport?

    Commenter
    Steeden
    Location
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 9:19AM
    • Get yourself a ute, thats what the 'winners' are driving around in

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 9:31AM
    • Any comment on the other 98% of women who earn less Steeden or are you just like a sheep... blindly following labor propaganda?...Baaaa

      Commenter
      Brettie
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 9:33AM
    • That's ok, stick with Labor's scheme and help widen the gender pay gap and leave us languishing behind the rest of the world. I for one don't believe in punishing hard working, educated women who want to start a family, but then again, that's why I vote Liberal.

      Commenter
      Thomas
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 9:34AM
    • It's not free, and once again you have failed to truly understand the nature of the middle class in this country, including small business owners. Those who oppose the coalition PPL continually point to the extreme end of the policy. What about the millions of working women who will finally have a choice to keep their careers, get paid a maternity leave amount equal in entitlement to public servants and, often ignored in this debate, continue to pay taxes on their income after they return to work. This is not about a short term welfare handout, this is about giving women the choice finally to have a career and a family and for employers to maintain the employment opportunities for the women. It is an entitlement that benefits all of society. The amount of women who fall out of the workforce because they have to make a choice about family or career, the loss of tax revenue this creates and the shortfall in womens superannuation at retirement are all to be vastly improved because of a PPL which finally addresses the core issues. This who will benefit are not “pretty little lady lawyers” they are average working women. Once again Labor has demonstrated they don’t actually understand modern Australians, are stuck in the past of class and have and have nots.

      Commenter
      Rich
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 9:44AM
    • Steeden,

      You'd be better off getting some counselling.
      J Fraser could point you to a few good ones...

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 9:47AM
    • Despite you, Steeden, the PPL is something I wouldn't subscribe to either. How is it that they always drop one clanger in amongst their agenda?
      I'd agree with Abbott on most issues, but not this one.
      Stiff, eh? In order to show Ruddy that homosexuality is unacceptable - it's gonna have to be PPL. Bummer!

      Commenter
      Ade Scarrier
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 9:56AM
    • So Steeden, you think it's OK that public servants and politicians have a better deal in place than us - strange sense of fairness and democracy, criticising is easy, thinking .... ???

      Commenter
      ET
      Location
      Lakesland
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:00AM
    • Follow the Labor way. Borrow another $750K and buy a lamborghini..

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:10AM
    • @Steeden

      You do know that Clive Palmer's wife is pregnant and due to give birth to a healthy baby in November or December 2013.

      If Mrs. Palmer has any paid Directorships in any of Clive's companies she would no doubt be eligible for $75k.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:26AM
    • I'd rather have super fast internet to my home than rich girls buying sports-cars.

      Commenter
      Peter A
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:43AM
    • Steeden, I don't think the BMW or the Mercedes would be any good for you, I don't think you would understand the handbook that comes with them. Best you stick with Ford or Holden.

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:45AM
    • well if you have 3 kids in 3 years you should be able to afford something even nicer.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      KL
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 10:49AM
    • "This who will benefit are not “pretty little lady lawyers” they are average working women."

      To Rich,

      Funny how pregnant women in law firms and accountancy firms have their maternity leave paid by other companies under Abbott's scheme.

      You also fail to mention how Abbott admitted that some companies would be forced to pay maternity leave twice for 2-3 years under his scheme.

      And it's also funny how Liberals whinge about prolifigate spending, but remove means testing for middle class welfare benefits, but kept quiet about single parents and the disabled being moved onto the lower Newstart allowance.

      If it's a workplace right, it should be paid by the woman's employer and I don't recall receiving super on top of other benefits like annual leave and sick leave.

      "Abbott's paid leave plan 'good for careers'"
      (The Australian 9 May 2013)

      "Because the Coalition's scheme would be funded from a 1.5 per cent levy on the 3200 largest companies, its cost would not be borne by law firms."

      "At the moment, the most generous parental leave schemes for private-sector lawyers are confined to very large national firms that offer up to 18 weeks' paid leave after a qualifying period of up to five years of employment"

      “Tax rise won’t hurt companies: Abbott” (Financial Review 23 Apr 2013)

      "Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says most companies will dump their own paid parental leave schemes but acknowledges that some will have to pay twice for at least two to three years."

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:02PM
    • So ET,

      You think it's fair that Newstart is paid at higher rates based on the recipients' previous income,.............oh wait.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:21PM
    • Abbott's parental leave policy which he failed to consult his party about has been rubbished by his own party and his usual allies in the employer unions, as inequitable and unaffordable.

      Due to his usual ineptitude and poor safeguards, Abbott has failed to address previous concerns previously raised on these comment threads about business owners manipulating their financial affairs so that the pregnant wife qualifies for the higher parental leave payout then she would otherwise be entitled to because she only works part time hours for a low wage.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:25PM
    • It's only replacing your existing salary Steeden, so tell me exactly how it is going to be so life changing during a time when your expenditure is about to go up?

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 12:33PM
    • You're not thinking about getting a new car surely? You could do it the LNP way - buy yourself a 10 year old S Class or 7 series Yesterday's tech.

      Commenter
      AL
      Location
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 3:25PM
  • Any chance of Scott Morrison offering to buy back the tough questions which will be asked of him today?

    Commenter
    tasch2
    Location
    Mornington Peninsula
    Date and time
    September 03, 2013, 9:18AM
    • Retirees and anyone who receives franked dividends will also love the loss of 1.5% franking credits, and the hike in the price of goods and services due to Abbott's goldplated parental leave scheme.

      Male dominated industries such as mining will also enjoy paying for the maternity leave of women who do not even work for their company.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 03, 2013, 4:36PM
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