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Federal Election 2013 Live: September 2, 2013

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Goodbye to the first day of the last week of the campaign.

Let's recap before heading off:

  • Coalition leader Tony Abbott used a speech in Canberra in which he said September 7 would be a referendum on the carbon price;
  • Mr Abbott also said he would drop the Coalition's greenhouse gas emission reduction targets if they turned out to be more costly than originally thought;
  • earlier in the day Mr Abbott released the Coalition's defence policy;
  • Labor leader Kevin Rudd was in his home state of Queensland where he declared the campaign was far from over despite another discouraging poll;
  • Mr Rudd said if he is re elected he will examine the cuts to the single parent payment as soon as the budget allows; and
  • both leaders have high profile media engagements tonight - Mr Abbott on ABC television's 7.30 and Mr Rudd on Q and A.

I know you will probably all be at election night parties on Saturday but Andrew Meares, Alex Ellinghausen and I will be on deck to bring you the outcome.

We will also be back in the morning. Until then, thanks for joining us.

Also in this office:

 

As we are now in the final week I'd like to redirect you to some of the cool data journalism the Fairfax Media team has produced over the campaign.

This allows you to follow the money trail (aka the pork-o-meter).

The interactive election map can be found here (spy on electorates).

The thirty seats to watch (one to bookmark for Saturday night).

If you are keen to see what Andrew Meares and Alex Ellinghausen got up to on the campaign trail over the weekend here is their picture gallery.

(By the way - neither have had a day off since the campaign began. Many congratulations on the herculean effort lads.)

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd receives a standing ovation at the ALP campaign launch in Brisbane. Click for more photos

ELECTION 2013 - Day 28

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd receives a standing ovation at the ALP campaign launch in Brisbane. Photo: Harrison Saragossi

According to the latest information from the Australian Electoral Commission 715,665 people have already cast their votes.

 

 

Breaking news reporter Jonathan Swan has filed this wrap on Mr Abbott's speech to the National Press Club in which Mr Abbott said he would break the Coalition's promise on greenhouse gas emission reductions if it cost more money than he had budgeted for.

You can read Jonathan's story here.

Before the speech, the Coalition launched its Great Barrier Reef policy.

The Age's environment editor, Tom Arup, has taken a look at what was announced.

 

I did but see him passing by.

Students watch Labor leader Kevin Rudd during his visit to St Columban's College in Caboolture on Monday.

Students watch Labor leader Kevin Rudd during his visit to St Columban's College in Caboolture on Monday. Photo: Andrew Meares

The Age's national affairs editor, Tony Wright, writes the only thing that could save Labor's campaign at this point is "Tony Abbott biting the head off a kitten on live TV".

Way harsh. You can read Tony's piece here.

Mr Rudd is sticking to the more traditional campaign strategy of as many public appearances as possible between now and 6pm on Saturday.

Labor leader Kevin Rudd at St Columan's College in Caboolture on Monday.

Labor leader Kevin Rudd at St Columan's College in Caboolture on Monday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Former prime minister Julia Gillard was not, as previously announced, at yesterday's Labor launch.

But Ms Gillard did make a rare public appearance at the weekend when she gave the keynote address at a religious function in her electorate.

 

Mr Rudd is outlining his beliefs about leadership.

A good guiding principle is having sympathy for people who are worse off than you no matter where they are, Mr Rudd says.

Next comes: "What can I do about it?"

"Unless you go out there and do something about it, frankly, you're not developing as a leader," Mr Rudd says.

 

Georgie Hayes sneaks a laptop selfie with Labor leader Kevin Rudd at St Columan's College in Caboolture on Monday.

Georgie Hayes sneaks a laptop selfie with Labor leader Kevin Rudd at St Columan's College in Caboolture on Monday. Photo: Andrew Meares

"No one is ever terrifically good at everything," Mr Rudd assures the students.

Labor leader Kevin Rudd prepares the fringe of Ryan Rosenberger at St Columan's College in Caboolture on Monday.

Labor leader Kevin Rudd prepares the fringe of Ryan Rosenberger at St Columan's College in Caboolture on Monday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Rudd is addressing Year 11 and 12 students in Caboolture, Queensland.

"Solidarity for all nerds," Mr Rudd says.

 

Spare a thought for our cartoonists - they are having a tough campaign.

 

That's it from Team Abbott for today.

Meanwhile, Team Rudd has just arrived in Brisbane.

Labor leader Kevin Rudd arrives in Brisbane on Monday.

Labor leader Kevin Rudd arrives in Brisbane on Monday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Abbott has finished his address.

 

A gold membership card for Coalition leader Tony Abbott after he addressed the National Press Club of Australia in Canberra on Monday.

A gold membership card for Coalition leader Tony Abbott after he addressed the National Press Club of Australia in Canberra on Monday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Should all decisions to send Australian troops to war be put to Parliament, Mr Abbott is asked.

"Absolutely," Mr Abbott says.

But "whether a parliamentary vote happens before or after combat happens very much depends on the circumstances".

"If Australia was subject to imminent threat it would be irresponsible for a prime minister not to act swiftly."

 

Mr Abbott is asked whether he would support his daughters if they wanted to enter politics.

"I think politics is a marvellous vocation," Mr Abbott says after a pause.

"I think if they were interested I'd give them every encouragement but the first time they expressed interest I would also want to warn them that it is a pretty tough field."

"In this business you need a tough skin and a strong ego."

 

Coalition leader Tony Abbott at the National Press Club of Australia in Canberra on Monday.

Coalition leader Tony Abbott at the National Press Club of Australia in Canberra on Monday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Abbott is asked what he would change about the national curriculum.

The history curriculum contains things he would like to see amended, Mr Abbott says.

There is a "lack of references to our heritage other than indigenous heritage," Mr Abbott says.

"The unions are mentioned far more than business. There are a couple of Labor prime ministers that get a mention, from memory not a single conservative prime minister does."

However it would be up to teachers to decide what should be in the curriculum, Mr Abbott says.

 

Coalition leader Tony Abbott poses for selfie before his address to the National Press Club of Australia in Canberra on Monday.

Coalition leader Tony Abbott poses for selfie before his address to the National Press Club of Australia in Canberra on Monday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Abbott says a Coalition government would proceed with the sale of Medibank Private at the best time for the taxpayer.

"If it's called Medibank Private it may as well be in the private sector," Mr Abbott says.

He then demurs when asked if he would the upcoming meeting of the United Nations Security Council as previous prime ministers have done.

Mr Abbott says he is not presuming he will become prime minister but that if he does get elected the domestic agenda might take precedence.

 

The secretary of the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, Ian Watt, is in the audience for Mr Abbott's address.

This time next week Mr Watt could be working for Mr Abbott.

Mr Abbott is asked what he would do if, as prime minister, he faced such a relentlessly negative opposition leader as himself.

"This government has given us plenty to oppose," he says.

It has been a "target rich environment".

Coalition leader Tony Abbott addresses the National Press Club of Australia in Canberra on Monday.

Coalition leader Tony Abbott addresses the National Press Club of Australia in Canberra on Monday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

As for costings, Mr Abbott says there has been a "lot of hyperventilating" about them.

When they are released, Mr Abbott says, people will know the Coalition has been "utterly straight with them".

Now for questions.

Mr Abbott is asked if he would in government direct the National Party to accept the ban on tobacco donations.

Mr Abbott says he would not "presume" to tell the National Party what to do but he is "confident that in time they will come to the same decision".

 

"Elect the Coalition and you will have a grown up, adult government that thinks before it acts," Mr Abbott says.

"My aim is to lead a no surprises, no excuses government that says what it means and does what it says."

"If you want a new way, you have to choose a new government....Like all of you, I look forward to September 7."

Chief of staff Peta Credlin listens as Coalition leader Tony Abbott addresses the National Press Club of Australia in Canberra on Monday.

Chief of staff Peta Credlin listens as Coalition leader Tony Abbott addresses the National Press Club of Australia in Canberra on Monday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Abbott says recommendations from a tax white paper and a federalism white paper will form the basis of a 2016 election platform from a Coalition government.

"In the meantime, there's more than enough to be done by stopping the boats, getting the budget under control and getting major new roads underway," Mr Abbott says.

"A new government won't just be different, it will be better, too."

 

Protestors arrive outside  the National Press Club of Australia in Canberra on Monday.

Protestors arrive outside the National Press Club of Australia in Canberra on Monday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Abbott promises a "new focus on regional Australia with close to 50 per cent of the cabinet living outside of metropolitan areas".

Mr Abbott: "I am not much interested in being personally wealthy. Never have been, never will be. Still, I am passionately committed to a more prosperous Australia, because that means a better Australia with a better life for everyone."

Coalition leader Tony Abbott addresses the National Press Club of Australia in Canberra on Monday.

Coalition leader Tony Abbott addresses the National Press Club of Australia in Canberra on Monday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Abbott says the carbon price's system of purchasing carbon credits from abroad is "by far the biggest wealth transfer from Australians to foreigners that's ever been contemplated".

Keeping the carbon price would be like "the entire country stopping work at some stage over the next 40 years for the best part of a year".

"More than anything, this election is a referendum on the carbon tax," Mr Abbott says.

"A Coalition victory, should it happen, will be a warning from alienated Labor voters to their leaders - never again sell Labor's soul to another party. That's why it's unimaginable that a defeated Labor Party would persist with a carbon tax. It would just confirm that Labor is incapable of learning from its mistakes."

"At the same time in the last election campaign, five days before polling day, Julia Gillard made the fateful declaration: 'There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead'," Mr Abbott says.

"Labor can't be trusted to tell the truth and it can't be trusted to manage the economy and the carbon tax is where Labor's economic deficit and Labor's trust deficit coincide. After insisting for two years that the carbon tax was good for you, Mr Rudd suddenly admitted that it was costing households some $550 a year. That's why he's faked abolishing the carbon tax even though he's done no such thing."

Coalition leader Tony Abbott addresses the National Press Club of Australia in Canberra on Monday.

Coalition leader Tony Abbott addresses the National Press Club of Australia in Canberra on Monday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

"Economic management is the core issue because everything else....needs a strong economy to be sustainable," Mr Abbott says.

"In the last week of the campaign, Labor will say anything to sway your vote including the most bare faced lies about the Coalition....There are no cuts to health. No cuts to education. Pensions don't change. The GST doesn't change."

Mr Abbott is beginning his address by stressing there are only five days to go until the election.

If "Labor sneaks back" that means the carbon price stays, Mr Abbott says.

So would the mining tax and the "avalanche of regulation".

"The Liberal and National coalition has a track record of success," Mr Abbott says.

"Our final four budgets [in government] were the four biggest surpluses in our history."

 

Coalition leader Tony Abbott addresses the National Press Club of Australia in Canberra on Monday.

Coalition leader Tony Abbott addresses the National Press Club of Australia in Canberra on Monday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

There's just time to bring this to you before we head over to the National Press Club for one of the last set speeches to be given by Coalition leader Tony Abbott.

Today's Fact Checker/PolitiFact instalment looks at a claim by independent MP Bob Katter who told an astonished audience last week that they belonged to "a vanishing race".

"When 20 people die in Australia they will be replaced by 17 people," Mr Katter said.

What was the verdict? Click here to find out.

I will bring you this from 12.30pm:

 

While we're on the subject of immigration - Labor is claiming victory over people smugglers with its hardline policy to stop the boats following the lowest number of boat arrivals in six months.

You can read more about that story here.

 

The Coalition's immigration spokesman, Scott Morrison, has defended the Indonesian boat buyback policy despite widespread ridiculing of the plan and an admission from leader Tony Abbott that is might not eventuate.

Breaking news reporter Jonathan Swan has more.

Mr Morrison faced questions about the policy this morning the Fairfax Media/PolitiFact Fact Checker unit took a look at the policy and found it wanting.

You can read that assessment here.

And that's it from Mr Rudd.

Labor leader Kevin Rudd in Gladstone on Monday.

Labor leader Kevin Rudd in Gladstone on Monday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Rudd is asked why he has not said anything about the cuts to the sole parents' payment during the campaign despite saying he wanted to address it when he was returned to the prime ministership.

(At yesterday's campaign launch Mr Rudd's wife, Therese Rein, focussed on Mr Rudd's own experiences as the child of a single mother.)

"I believe this is something that needs to be attended to as soon as budgetary circumstances permit," Mr Rudd says.

"For me that's a priority, a real priority."

Labor leader Kevin Rudd in Gladstone on Monday.

Labor leader Kevin Rudd in Gladstone on Monday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Rudd is asked if he would marry Tony Abbott if they were in a same sex relationship.

"Pass," he says.

Mr Rudd doesn't wait for a question about today's opinion poll to be finished before he answers: "The good people of Australia will make their minds up on election day."

"My advice is we've got somewhere north of 15 per cent [of voters who are] undecided," Mr Rudd says.

"This when the people start to lock on....They lock on to questions of jobs and their jobs...On those questions what we pick up right across the country is a deep level of anxiety and uncertainty about Mr Abbott."

 

Labor leader Kevin Rudd in  Gladstone on Monday.

Labor leader Kevin Rudd in Gladstone on Monday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Kevin Rudd: "I think I last used the term 'goodies and baddies' in the back yard when I was playing cowboys and Indians....I think I was about ten."

 

Mr Rudd is in Gladstone, Queensland, where he is visiting Gladstone Area Group Apprentices Ltd technical training centre and releasing Labor's plan for the state.

Mr Rudd is, again, reminding people that Coalition leader Tony Abbott will institute the same kinds of public service job and spending cuts across Australia as Queensland Premier Campbell Newman has done in his state.

 

 

 

Labor leader Kevin Rudd in  Gladstone on Monday.

Labor leader Kevin Rudd in Gladstone on Monday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Kevin Rudd - emergency marshal. He's just here to help.

Labor leader Kevin Rudd at the Gagal Technical Training Centre in Gladstone, Queensland, on Monday.

Labor leader Kevin Rudd at the Gagal Technical Training Centre in Gladstone, Queensland, on Monday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Labor leader Kevin Rudd is in Gladstone, Queensland. We are standing by to bring you that press conference in a short time.

Labor leader Kevin Rudd arrives in Gladstone, Queensland, on Monday.

Labor leader Kevin Rudd arrives in Gladstone, Queensland, on Monday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Earlier this morning the Coalition announced its defence policy (that would be the one to save us from baddies).

It has backed away from a pledge to spend $1.5 billion on unmanned drone aircraft and also indicated the Joint Strike Fighter project would be reviewed.

Breaking news reporter Dan Harrison has more.

Coalition leader Tony Abbott inspects a Blackhawk helicopter at Holsworthy Barracks in NSW on Monday.

Coalition leader Tony Abbott inspects a Blackhawk helicopter at Holsworthy Barracks in NSW on Monday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

The costings issue, of course, goes to the heart of two key issues in the campaign - management of the economy and credibility of the parties and their leaders.

But it is baffling to Joseph Stiglitz, professor of economics at Columbia University and recipient of the Nobel Prize for economics, who says we don't know how good we've got it.

"The obsession with public debt continues to be a distraction from the more fundamental question of how to establish sustainable long run growth," Professor Stiglitz happens. "Rather than look through the rear view mirror at public debt, the election should look forward to the challenge of maintaining Australia's economic success for the future."

You can read Professor Stiglitz's opinion piece here.

(And, yes, Labor campaign headquarters has already put out a press release saying how this shows its approach is better than the Coalition's.)

 

The Coalition's finance spokesman, Andrew Robb, has just told a press conference that the only reason why Labor keeps demanding to see policy costings documents is because they have nothing else to talk about.

The Coalition has promised to release the paperwork later this week.

Economics correspondent Peter Martin believes it does matter, that parties should release these documents so people have more than just their assurances.

Peter's piece is here.

 

The week has begun with a Newspoll.

Labor's primary vote has dropped to 33 per cent (down from 37 per cent in the previous poll) while the Coalition has also dropped from 47 per cent to 46 per cent (the Greens picked up that extra one point).

On a two party preferred basis the Coalition leads Labor 54 per cent to 46 per cent.

Not that Coalition leader Tony Abbott is taking anything for granted: "I do not believe the polls. Never forget that [Kevin Rudd] beat John Howard in 2007 and John Howard was the most successful prime minister since Robert Menzies. You have to respect Mr Rudd's campaigning ability even if you don't respect his governing ability."

 

 

Coalition leader Tony Abbott addresses the media at Holsworthy Barracks in NSW on Monday.

Coalition leader Tony Abbott addresses the media at Holsworthy Barracks in NSW on Monday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

How do you make it go?

Coalition leader Tony Abbott inspects a Blackhawk helicopter during his visit to Holsworthy Barracks in NSW on Monday.

Coalition leader Tony Abbott inspects a Blackhawk helicopter during his visit to Holsworthy Barracks in NSW on Monday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Jacqueline Maley is travelling with Team Rudd this week. You can follow her on twitter @jacquelinemaley. Team Rudd is in Townsville this morning.

Heath Aston is travelling with Team Abbott. You can follow him on twitter @heathjaston. Team Abbott has already been out and about making a defence announcement (more on that later) but will shortly make its way to Canberra where Coalition leader Tony Abbott will give the traditional final address of the campaign to the National Press Club.

(Greens leader Christine Milne will give her address on Wednesday and Labor leader Kevin Rudd will be there on Thursday.)

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd boards his plane in Townsville on Monday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd boards his plane in Townsville on Monday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Here's the Sydney Morning Herald's political editor, Peter Hartcher, on the launch: "Harebrained Kevin stepped back. Helpful Kevin stepped forward."

The Age's political editor, Michael Gordon, had this take on it: "The atmosphere ranged from feisty defiance and steely determination to the sentimental sadness of what might have been."

But enough of us - what about you, what do you think? Do you think Labor can still win the election? You can have your say in our online readers' poll which you can find here.

 

Labor leader Kevin Rudd backstage with his granddaughter Josephine, daughter Jessice, wife Therese Rein and son-in-law Albert Tse after the Labor campaign launch in Brisbane on Sunday.

Labor leader Kevin Rudd backstage with his granddaughter Josephine, daughter Jessice, wife Therese Rein and son-in-law Albert Tse after the Labor campaign launch in Brisbane on Sunday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Labor finally held its campaign launch yesterday.

Labor leader Kevin Rudd - who "carries his country boy smile everywhere with him", according to his wife Therese Rein - positioned the party as the chief protector of job security and warned people not to write him off.

"For those who say the fight is up, I say they haven't seen anything yet," Mr Rudd told the audience in Brisbane.

"Because we have something worth fighting for."

You can read a report on the launch here.

Alternatively you may like to read Jacqueline Maley's piece on the colour and movement of the event.

 

Labor leader Kevin Rudd backstage at the Labor campaign launch in Brisbane on Sunday.

Labor leader Kevin Rudd backstage at the Labor campaign launch in Brisbane on Sunday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Good to see budgie smugglers back in the federal political mix.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd conducts TV interviews in Townsville on Monday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd conducts TV interviews in Townsville on Monday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Good morning and welcome to the first day of the last week. We're nearly there. Expect the pace to pick up this week as all the parties make the most of their last chance to convince voters they are the ones that they want.

It's a pleasure to be back with you as Andrew Meares, Alex Ellinghausen and I take you through the day.

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  • Anyone who thinks a Liberal government will bebetter for the average Australian is delusional. I'm a sickened that there are so many out there that would prefer to bury their heads in the sand.
    Labor is not perfect, and by the way I am not a Labor or Liberal voter, but to think we will be better under an Abbott government is absurd.
    Australia needs money spent on ageing infrastructure, we need heavy protectionism of industry as in Scandinavian countries like Sweden and Denmark. With a liberal government we will have excessive privatisation of various institutions, reduced tariffs or non-existent tariffs on farming and manufacturing under the banner of free trade agreements. Look what the Libs did to Medicare and we will soon adopt a system similiar to the US if we let them have their way.

    It angers me that large numbers agree with this ridiculous rhetoric: that we need a surplus and by doing so we need to forget about investing in the future. If you are happy to be bled and led by a leader who is out for big business and will cut the legs off the average Australian worker. Vote the libs.

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    Antmania
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    September 02, 2013, 4:48PM
    • You will be ok as long as you don'twear a burqa, they confront and scare poor little Tone.

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      Pieron
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      September 02, 2013, 4:42PM
  • Is there a journalist out there prepared to expose Abbott on PPL?
    What happens if a woman on say $70k has a baby and receives her $35k from the gov't and she wants to do part time work. Can she earn up to $40k to max. of $75k? If not, why not?
    Isn't this about getting women of calibre to remain in workforce?
    But then how do you stack this up with the pensioner who gets reduced payment when they earn extra income?
    It is a dog's breakfast and Abbott would have a Hewson GST cake moment if a journo would only go there.

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    johno28
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    September 02, 2013, 4:37PM
    • lotta of places journos could go but they don't.
      I wonder why?

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      A country gal
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      September 02, 2013, 4:44PM
  • Fake endorsements for Labor candidates - so what's new?

    In this case Randwick Council didn't endorse the Labor candidate Mat Thistlewait as implied by the use of its logo on a flier at Kingsford Smith

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    Vulture
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    September 02, 2013, 4:30PM
  • If you have completed your costings, though not released, and you then say that you will renege on a pledge if it costs more than what you budgeted for what does that say about your costings? Shouldn't you know whether you will exceed the budgeted amount? Otherwise what is the point in budgeting in the first place.

    No wonder Tony and Joe don't visit schools they might get stung with a maths pop quiz.

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    tasch2
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    September 02, 2013, 4:28PM
  • The goverment under pays pensioners and gets 10% GST back. Why not all pensioner card holders pay no GST and double the mining tax

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    Grey Nomad
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    September 02, 2013, 4:25PM
    • States get GST back.

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      J. Fraser
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      September 02, 2013, 4:30PM
    • Where did the states get their money before the GST Only makes the government look good by saying the states get it.

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      Grey Nomad
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      September 02, 2013, 4:42PM
  • Actually I got something in mail from Clive today, haven't opened it yet, but it appears to be an invitation to vote for him and a DVD about Titanic II.

    Very thoughtful of you Clive

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    SteveH.
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    September 02, 2013, 4:22PM
    • @Steve H.

      Stop guessing about the DVD.

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      J. Fraser
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      September 02, 2013, 4:33PM
  • "Most evidence indicates that elevated temperature is the cause of mass bleaching events. Sixty major episodes of coral bleaching have occurred between 1979 and 1990,[21] with the associated coral mortality affecting reefs in every part of the world. Correlative field studies have pointed to warmer-than normal conditions as being responsible for triggering mass bleaching events. These studies show a tight association between warmer-than-normal conditions (at least 1°C higher than the summer maximum) and the incidence of coral bleaching."

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    Pen of hrba
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    September 02, 2013, 4:21PM
    • Thanks Pen, but there is an election on at the moment.

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      $keptic
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      September 02, 2013, 4:36PM
  • And there it is. Abbott was never going to pursue action on Climate Change. The direct inaction plan was only there as a gesture to the moderate Libs who wanted to do something. Now he's going to win the cat is out of the bag. Well that's what you get. I actually value my sons future so I know who I'm voting for. Good luck to all the flat earthers. Abbott is your man.

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    David
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    September 02, 2013, 4:17PM
    • Unbelievable!! Not. Hey Abbott, if you put a price on carbon the government will get REVENUE, not have to SPEND UP BIG. Simple approach hey?? After all, you once supported an ETS and even a simple tax!! Ah, a penny for Malcolm's thoughts....

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      Passionfruit
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      September 02, 2013, 4:26PM
    • we could outlaw fossil fuels here in Australia and still it would not make one bit of difference to the global emissions....ok maybe it would make 1.4% difference. Australia cannot drive this issue so why do you find it so hard to comprehend that the vast majority of us understand this situation and do not want to Australia to be the sacrifice at the green alter. Go to China, go to India, see it for yourself and don't preach to us unless you can get China and India to sort it out. I will give you a tip, all that coal we ship out, the stuff that drives our nations wealth, they aren't using it for landfill

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      Taxpayer
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      September 02, 2013, 4:37PM
    • Of course he was how else do you think he is going to pay for all the sniper rifles to shoot the criminals with microchips. He also needs to pay for all those Indonesian fishing boats. Haven't you heard Australia's sovereignty is under attack.

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      Pieron
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      September 02, 2013, 4:39PM
  • Looks like Thistlewaite has just been busted.

    Will Labor conduct a campaign review after all is done and dusted ?

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    Hacka
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    September 02, 2013, 4:14PM
  • I am in the electorate of Bennelong and had a bit of a laugh today, because we received the ALP candidate's (Jason Yat-Sen Li) brochure in the mail box.

    It's straight out of an episode of the ABC's Hollowmen, with the statement:

    "Future proofing the economy with..."

    Commenter
    Alternate View
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    September 02, 2013, 4:13PM
    • ......the removal of KDudd?

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      Taxpayer
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      September 02, 2013, 4:28PM
  • The 30 seats to watch.
    Add Indi to that list, Mirabella's on shaky ground.

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    A country gal
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    September 02, 2013, 4:08PM
    • So you keep on saying..again and again.

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      thereisnoyouinLabor
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      September 02, 2013, 4:22PM
    • And I'll say it again, watch Indi.

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      A country gal
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      September 02, 2013, 4:35PM
  • Just voted, by the time I got to Abbotts mob starting at about number eighty on the bottom of the senate ticket I was running out of ink

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    Grey Nomad
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    September 02, 2013, 4:08PM
  • 3.48 Aussie flags. no chance of a flag without the Jack or a republic under Abbott. No chance of anything deemed "new". When do we start winding our clocks back?
    I'm flying out tonight perhaps I should've bought a one way ticket.
    But the senate is looking good. So for all he says you can take it with a grain of salt"

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    A country gal
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    September 02, 2013, 4:04PM
    • Great idea on the one way ticket, ACG. Maybe you can take JT and Frase, the Labor Party's loyal spambots, with you?

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      adrian
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      September 02, 2013, 4:12PM
    • Be ready for the double dissolution vote when you come back. Unlike Kevin, I believe Tony will have the "ticker" to pull that one..

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      Julia by 10 seats
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      September 02, 2013, 4:16PM
    • So depressing. Abbott hasn't even won yet and I already feel that we've slipped back into the 20th century. But maybe that's what many people want?

      Actually, Abbott somehow reminds me of a 1950s schoolboy. Is it the hair, the silly grin...or the juvenile behaviour? Or the old-fashioned attitudes? (Sorry, his PPL isn't fooling me!)

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      Passionfruit
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      September 02, 2013, 4:17PM
    • Grow up - winding back the clock for daylight saving >>>

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      Baltic13
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      September 02, 2013, 4:17PM
  • "According to the latest information from the Australian Electoral Commission 715,665 people have already cast their votes."

    And not one understood the Coalition's costing regime. It reminds of the fool who believed Jesus?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 3:58PM
    • @"Pen"

      I am reliably informed that these Liberal party costings are accurate :

      http://electioncostings.gov.au/coalition-costings/

      Both Joe Hockey and Robb have checked them and pronounced them accurate.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:07PM
    • I find it amazing the contempt they have for the Australian people. The Labor Party can submit costings, even the Greens Party can submit costings, but NO, the Liberal Party don't have to do that - everyone is going to vote them in anyway!

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:09PM
    • Yeah Tone - just like Kevin 07..

      Commenter
      Julia by 10 seats
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:18PM
    • if it's all right for Kev07 why is it not all right for the other mob?

      Commenter
      Pensive
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:26PM
    • So what Julia by 10, Rudd has submitted it this time. What's Abbott's excuse? Dog ate my homework?

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:39PM
  • Re: “Abbott said he would break the Coalition's promise on greenhouse gas emission reductions if it cost more money than he had budgeted for.

    Before the speech, the Coalition launched its Great Barrier Reef policy.”

    Has anyone ever read anything so absurd as the above? What is systematically killing the GBR? In a word CO2. One third of Co2 is taken up by the seas, which creates warming of seas, in turn increased water temperature creates coral bleaching. Seriously the Abbott squad has lost the plot.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 3:56PM
    • they lost it a long time ago pen......noone has caught up with that just yet

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:59PM
    • Seriously the only "plot" Abbott ever had was concocted by Murdoch , Gina and Pell.

      The inheritance they will leave will be wasteland.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:04PM
  • listening to the suppository of wisdom trying to explain his business killing Maternity leave mega tax was just plain embarrassing.Its like the GST,if you dont understand it,dont vote for it.

    Commenter
    Steeden
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 3:51PM
    • I understand it benefits the rich,a good enough reason not to vote for it.

      Commenter
      Archer
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:09PM
    • That would result in Tony not voting for himself...

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:29PM
  • Which car will i buy with the free $75 grand Tony will give me for popping out a kid...will i buy the BMW or the mercedes sport?

    Commenter
    Steeden
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 3:46PM
    • You'll need to buy a run about for the Nanny too so factor that into your calculations.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:53PM
    • In Mosman, they've probably got one of each already......perhaps they could build a nice new extension onto their double story for a nursery.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:55PM
    • The people smugglers will be cruising around in their diamond encrusted super yachts courtesy from Abbotts billions he gives them.

      Commenter
      Archer
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:06PM
    • The smugglers will be running a side line selling fishing boats.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:14PM
    • Has anybody considered how much a mother could make with 3 kids in a few years. The loopholes and rorts available to family companies etc will be massive.
      Ginia Rinehart would be eligible to do alright out of Mum.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:30PM
  • Kev is at home with the schoolies who don't vote, don't care and haven't yet realised that their uni funding will be slashed.

    Commenter
    Vulture
    Location
    Gladesville
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 3:45PM
  • If it wasn't for the "Pen of hrba" there would have been no mention of climate change.

    Poor fellow my country.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 3:44PM
    • Oh dear.. Look up what the Methane cycle is...and remember when the Atlanic converer stops we will slip into mini ice age. Can't be stopped.. need to adjust to live with warmer temps (didn't kill the vikings)

      Commenter
      Brettie
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:00PM
    • Well someone has to make the oblivious idiots see sense. But it is hard work, my God its hard work, akin to teaching a primate E = MC2.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:11PM
    • C'mon JF Anthony said it was "crap". Shouldn't we believe him?.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:19PM
  • 715,665 Aussies voted without reading this :

    http://electioncostings.gov.au/coalition-costings/

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 3:42PM
  • I just hope Labor has organised suitable post-election care for Mr. Rudd.

    Attention Deprivation Syndrome
    can be a very serious issue for forcibly retired megalomaniacs.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 3:40PM
    • @SteveH.

      As an Abbott supporter just remind everyone at The Pulse what the subject is that you are writing thesis for.

      As I understand it it is very apt for someone who is "not a tech head".

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:55PM
    • Glad you asked me that question Frase, you'll be happy to know I've finally finished my first degree this August (it only took 9 years).

      I've decided not to do honours and have enrolled in a fine arts degree instead.

      Right now I'm playing with paints and little bits of paper, its very relaxing, should have done it years ago. Hows that shade cloth of yours going?

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:07PM
    • @SteveH.

      Looks good.

      I used some of this as background :

      http://tolweb.org/treehouses/?treehouse_id=4438

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:29PM
  • Is it breaking a promise if you renege on a pledge before getting the chance to implement it?

    Commenter
    tasch2
    Location
    Mornington Peninsula
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 3:40PM
    • How funny is that? Abbott's already breaking a promise and he hasn't even been elected yet!

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:50PM
    • Would it have been better to break one AFTER being elected?

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:54PM
    • It would be better for him to "live within his means" during the election campaign.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:56PM
    • Lewis, he's going to be breaking PLENTY after being elected - you watch!

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:02PM
    • KP - There is nothing wrong with deificits (in the right economic condidtions) but all you Abbott supporters think they are terrible and state having a surplus is one of the reasons to change govt - but Abbott doens't look like having a surplus anytime soon so why vote for him?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:39PM
  • Is it really true that J Fraser quoted a Labor victory by 10 seats can anyone please confirm if that is the case . Oh and by the way if he did then thank our lucky stars the guy is not running the country with predictions like that phew!!
    Roger&Over Kev

    Commenter
    ultra
    Location
    Mel
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 3:37PM
    • Oh so very true... except he was predicting it would be Julia by 10 seats. He did not give Kevin any chance, because Kevin had promised not to challenge...

      Commenter
      Julia by 10 seats
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:02PM
  • All these photos of an Australian PM with new technology.

    When will the Australian public see some photos of Abbott with Vlad Putin ?

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 3:36PM
    • Probably at the next G20.

      That being the one Ruddie is now going to miss, should have held the election afterwards

      Kevin couldn't even get that right.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:58PM
    • When will the Australian people see the multiple warnings that Rudd received about his pink batts program which explicitly said that people would die.

      When will the Australian people see the report into the NBN which Albanese refuses to show before the election?

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:03PM
    • "SteveH." loves Putin.

      Or all action men ?

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:09PM
    • The Pink Batts scheme was an exceptional policy badly implemented. Making energy use more efficient is always an ideal worth striving for. They succerded in making energy use more efficient and reduced pollution emissions at the same time.

      The Labor NBN is far superior to the Liberal NBN. The Liberal NBN should be costed properly because it is likely to cost as much or more than Labor's NBN but without the super speeds.

      Commenter
      Jane
      Location
      Preston
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:13PM
    • Nulla,
      We already know the minister had warnings about the insulation program which explicitly said that people would die.
      They did issue warnings and did advise state-based OHS (Workcover).
      It is just that cowboy installers in QLD ignored that advise.
      Not sure what you want the government to do, especially as you're the first one to complain about the nanny-state.
      In any case, 4 deaths from 1 million installations was the same death rate for insulation installers before the roll-out as during it. Nothing changed.

      Commenter
      Econorat
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:13PM
    • Jane, the ALP's NBN is a figment of your imagination.

      No prediction of it's rollout has ever been met, nor has any prediction of takeup rates.

      Its hopelessly over time and over budget, a complete and utter ALP disaster.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:24PM
    • Putin, as an old soviet I reckon he'd be closer to your tastes than mine Fraze.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:30PM
    • "Alternate View" has never met anyone using the NBN .... nor has he/she ever visited a school that is connected to the NBN.

      "Alternate View" is discredited.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:31PM
  • I'll be so glad when this election is over and done with so I don't have to see Krudd again...

    Commenter
    tigergirl
    Location
    melb
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 3:35PM
  • Abbott will break the Coalition's promise on greenhouse gas emission reductions if it costs too much. There's a surprise, not.

    Commenter
    noack
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 3:33PM
    • And I for one, hope that he does.

      When the large emitters get serious about reductions in emissions (not reducing the rate of increase) then, and only then, should Australia also play it's role in preventing global climate change.

      To do so prior to that is just penalising ourselves for no good reason at all.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:27PM
  • I thought we had run out of schools for Kev.

    Could someone please tap him on the shoulder and tell him they may be good to play with. But,

    They can not vote.

    They have young minds that have yet to develop. That is why they are listening.

    When they have matured they like the rest of us will not listen

    Please Kev. Go home where someone really loves you!

    Commenter
    4Ken
    Location
    Auburn
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 3:26PM
    • Has he got his working with childrent certification? Surely he must have needed it for this many functions at schools.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:49PM
  • For anyone interested,the New Zealand NBN cost/benefits study, titled "Building the benefits of broadband - How New Zealand can increase the social & economic impacts of high-speed broadband" is found here:

    http://www.tmcnet.com/tmc/whitepapers/documents/whitepapers/2013/6687-building-benefits-broadband-how-new-zealand-increase-social.pdf

    Extrapolating from that, Labor's NBN is worth between A$105 billion dollars to A$237 billion dollars to our economy. Liberal's NBN is worth considerably less and may well not be worth it.

    Commenter
    Tone
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 3:21PM
    • The Abbott cheer squad are slow readers ... so anything that appears fast frightens them.

      That's why Howard was popular and Abbott is overtaking him.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:40PM
    • on this issue alone voters should really consider what telecommunication system is for the betterment of the nation.
      The opportunities of the NBN are countless and there is no comparison with the "copper cans and string" plan.
      Politics and personalities aside the NBN is the answer.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:49PM
    • The whole point of the NBN is to create an incubator environment with every Australian household given the opportunity to start a business from home at very low cost. They can build the business and if it takes off, they can then move to bigger infrastructure, employ people, etc. This is the biggest shame of the Liberal Party NBN - it's as though they hate small business.

      Commenter
      Jennifer
      Location
      Carlton
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:54PM
  • Since the election announcement can anyone report the ratio of school kids to grown-ups met by the Prime Minister ?

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 3:20PM
    • Much, much higher than the ratio of intelligent "Comments" from the Abbott cheer squad.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:33PM
  • Will there be a squeal when our electricity prices go down by just a couple of dollars?

    Commenter
    noack
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 3:17PM
    • no....I want to hear the squeal when they keep going up....we all know its not the carbon tax putting prices up but the gouging will continue

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:21PM
    • At present count there will be 20,000 cutting "squeals" if Abbott gets power.

      Unemployment will rise even higher.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:24PM
    • It will be just like the fire levy being removed form insurance in Victoria, when they still went up the insurance companies simply said "They would of gone up by more if we didn't take off the fire levy"

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:34PM
    • You've got to understand that the negative positive world we live in.

      If prices go up in the Labor world, it's a bad thing. If prices go up in the Liberal world, it's for your own good, accept it, it's out of their hands anyway and why would you think any differently?

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:07PM
  • When will those in the Abbott cheer squad out themselves as paid employees of the Liberal party ?

    Thankfully this commenter has never been paid by or belonged to any political party.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 3:17PM
    • Fraze

      What, only a partisan request? Why not all sides?

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:22PM
    • Getting desperate J Fraser - how will you be by Friday >>>>

      Commenter
      Baltic13
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:24PM
    • Seeing as the QLD Labor Party barely qualifies for party status that may well be true for you.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:24PM
    • We can watch for those who are suspiciously absent during the media blackout.

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:28PM
    • You've certainly never posted anything worth paying for.

      No arguments there Frase.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:30PM
    • J.........They don't need to out themselves. You know who they are and so does every person who reads Fairfax online. One is a stay at home mum from Canberra. Another is in their late 50's who has recently returned to school studying romo-grecan history (loves his Pericles and boating) one is a disgruntled financial planner who hates Bill Shorten for taking away his ability to bill for failure and another is secretly in love with Bronwyn Bishop and hopes she will assume the position of speaker. How you doing guys?

      Commenter
      The Detective
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:31PM
    • @QED

      Now you have given the game away.

      I was so looking forward to some more High Court action after the election.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:38PM
    • i'm sure you will be joining the ALP this sunday so you can run in the Griffith by-election as Dudds replacement

      Commenter
      Hornberger
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:52PM
    • J Fraser, you will no doubt be much surprised to know that I am not even a member of the Liberal party, let alone a paid one.

      Are you a member of the Greens? Yes or No?

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:28PM
  • Penny Wong is having another Anti - Abbott moment. Do you think that she secretly admires him? They do say opposites attract and you can't get much more opposite than this. I reckon that she has got her party convinced that she is a true believer. I wonder though. Oh still going on about Tony after 10 minutes you see what I mean.

    Commenter
    Fred
    Location
    Bloggs
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 3:15PM
    • Well Wong says she 'bored' of costings and financial matters now because her credibility got torpedoed by Treasury and Finance. So she has to resort to what she does best and flail around with her handbag.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:27PM
  • The best thing about this election is that we will never ever have to see Kevin, Penny or Chris Bowen on TV ever again.
    He Hah

    Commenter
    alan
    Location
    sydney
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 3:15PM
    • I doubt we'll see Tony either, if you can't explain yourself before you do something you have no chance afterwards.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:30PM
    • You're probably right.

      Expect to see reruns of "Big Brother", "Master Chef" and Eddie Mcguire.

      And that will be the upmarket tv.

      Murdoch's cable, once it has disposed of the NBN, will be extolling the virtues of a "First date" with Abbott.

      Everyone but Rupert loses.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:32PM
  • If everyone is so worried by what the rich are doing then lifting the GST will add to the revenue pie on all the expensive toys, parties dinners and holidays etc. they consume.... seems like a legit way to stop them dodging tax and sitting at the bottom of the harbour laughing at us plebs. More they buy the more tax they pay. Also ensuring a safety net for those not so well off too.. Easy. Job Done move on.

    Commenter
    ExecutiveBriefing
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 3:08PM
    • What a load of rubbish. The GST benefits the rich at the expense of the poor and middle class. That's because the rich pay considerably less as a percentage of their income when they buy items than the poor or middle class. That's also assuming they pay any at all. If the rich, most of whom control companies, they can buy many items through the company and claim back the GST. They effectively then pay no tax at all.

      The GST is a regressive policy aimed at moving the tax burden from the rich to the middle class.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:26PM
  • Abbott's action man photos appear to have gone missing.

    So has Abbott.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 3:05PM
  • Any truth to the rumour that Kevin only visits high schools AFTER lunch?

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 3:04PM
  • If anyone still believes the ALP can win, the bookies are currently offering 16 dollars in a 2 horse race. Anyone parting with their hard earned? The odds on moving Adelaide to Townsville are probably a little less than that.

    Commenter
    Dom
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 3:04PM
  • Kevin (picture @2:30) just made a subconscious comment that entirely exposes the problem with his style of leadership: "What can _I_ do about it?". Any genuine leader would have said: "What can _WE_ do about it?"

    It's all about Kevin and not the team.

    Commenter
    Julia by 10 seats
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 2:59PM
  • For JT
    Even I think that the disability care scheme that Julia instigated is one of the great policies of our time.

    Did notice that Kevin at the launch on Sunday briefly and I mean briefly mentioned it only once. He mentioned Tony Abott's name over 20 times. Is it any wonder that the Labor campaign has been like a real life episode of yes minister!

    Commenter
    jojar
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 2:55PM
    • yes jojar.....and we are going to have to have a 3 year rest period (wasted time I think) before we get any more good policies legislated again....its such a waste of time when nothing happens when LNP are govt. We need an aged care scheme next but how long do we have to wait?

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:06PM
    • That's not surprising seeing as he didn't mention even briefly the northern economic zone, very fast train, nor naval base move to Brisbane either.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:08PM
    • watching my mother hand over her life savings to a nursing home only to receive care I would not wish on my dog let alone a human.....we need an aged care scheme fast.....and it will never ever happen under an LNP govt......if they are in fro 12 years because of greed and selfishness we will see thousands and thousands older people dying in squalor and pain. My dog gets treated better.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:13PM
    • Macca, one minute you say deficits are not bad, the next you are asking how Abbott plans to pay labors deficit off. So is labors deficit bad or is it good?

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:55PM
  • 2:26pm: "No one is ever terrifically good at everything," Mr Rudd assures the students.

    Stpeh, you forgot the rest of what Kevvy said - "Except for me..."

    Commenter
    Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 2:53PM
    • @"Inconsequential Tim"

      I doubt that anyone has ever said that about you.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:26PM
  • Abbott's "ordinary Australians" will probably get the Coalition over the line on Saturday, but let's face it - if only relevant experts could vote (e.g. economists, scientists and IT professionals) Labor would be a shoo-in!

    Commenter
    Passionfruit
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 2:49PM
    • And to think the ALP is supposedly the party of the workers...

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:08PM
    • What have you been smoking? Unions are at the core of the Labor vote. I would hardly call that 'educated, relevant or professional'

      I'd pay thousands to know the average IQ of all the Labor, Liberal and Greens Voters.

      I once saw a young children (younger than 8) at a union rally sporting T-Shirts saying things I wouldn't dare repeat online for sake of getting moderated. In fact I wouldn't even repeat the profanities they were chanting.

      Commenter
      MLJ
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:11PM
    • Crikey, I didn't think anyone would disagree with me on this point. Intelligent libs would know that many economists approved of the way Labor handled the economy and generally agree with a price on carbon (versus very few fans of Direct Action). And scientists may worry about the Coalition's attitude towards them and climate change. Add to that a vastly superior, future-proof NBN versus the Coalition alternative which many experts deride. Where am I wrong? That these people would vote for the Coalition regardless?

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:04PM
  • Bye Bye ALP.
    See you in about a decade!

    Commenter
    byebyekev
    Location
    byebyeLabor
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 2:47PM
    • @J Fraser - ehh - I think that pseudonym is a reference to something you yourself predicted about 6 months ago. Hardly 1950...

      Commenter
      Better Informed
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:47PM
  • Are we there yet?

    Commenter
    $keptic
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 2:45PM
    • MLJ - And what direction will we be travelling in? The low income earners will be going backwards, the high income earners will be going forwards, our prospects for qulity Broadband will have gone backwards and our chances for tackling climate change will have gone backwards.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:43PM
  • After the election, look for the first big political moment to be when Malcolm Turnbull gets his hands on the NBN business plan which Albo is currently hiding from the public.

    We shall then see just how bad it is (and it must be bad, otherwise Albo would have had it out and been shouting from the rooftops how great the NBN is) and whether the $43billion has indeed blown out to $90 billion and have to be included in the federal budget or not.

    And Paul Keating only hid a $10 billion black hole from John Howard.

    Commenter
    Alternate View
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 2:42PM
    • Abbott will spend a considerable sum in rolling out a Fibre to the Node plan that noone will be able to afford to connect to. There's the Node to the house connection at around $5000 and then you have to get your house wired for fibre ...cost me $2000. Abbotts plan is in the lunatic category....but you'll all willingly pay for it.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:47PM
    • That will be after the "moment" that the ALP go into melt-down, which I suspect will start Saturday afternoon.

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:49PM
    • @JT
      With Labor's fibre to the house, we will all need to rewire our home for fibre or we still use the copper wires already in the house. Uncle Albo, like Conway has been very quiet on this fact.

      Commenter
      jojar
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:11PM
    • The sad thing is that the Liberal Party NBN is such a goose that they could well end up spending more money and in the meanwhile we are losing valuable opportunities because our Internet just isn't up to speed.

      Extrapolating from the New Zealand NBN cost benefits study, the NBN is worth between $105 billion dollars to $237 billion dollars to our economy. But only with the full fibre to the home NBN and cannot be achieved with the Liberal Party NBN (fibre to the node vs. fibre to the home is discussed in the document.)

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:11PM
    • we'll get to see how much profit Telstra have made on the copper line buy back, and how much repair work needs to be done in exchanges and on lines. It 's equally as stupid as buying boats from Indonesia.

      Commenter
      Tim
      Location
      InnerCity
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:28PM
    • jojar...I could afford $2000 in one hit to get the ONT, the switch in the garage and the wires in the roof........but to pay $7000 in one hit forget it. And will a landlord pay $7000 for his/her tenants to be connected? No....it will create a very unequal society of haves and have nots into the future.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:33PM
  • Old Rudders, another day with the kids and the selfies, tommorrow announce the transfer of Adelaide to Rockhampton,
    what a life.

    No wonder he buried Julia.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 2:38PM
    • He looks very good in the photograph as a hair dresser. New career path perhaps? And he actually looks relaxed and happy for a moment.

      Commenter
      PDJ
      Location
      Down Under
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:47PM
  • For the history buffs,
    When was the last time the PM and Treasurer of the day both lost their seats in the same election.

    Lots of "I told you so's" will be heard from the next caucus meeting (or small get together)

    Only 4 more sleeps and a wakeup until sanity and stability returns to the Australian government.

    Commenter
    jojar
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 2:38PM
    • Rudd was leading 57-43 2pp in the last poll for Griffith,

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:44PM
    • Better than that..
      1 PM 1 Treasurer and 1 Assistant Treasurer. And 1 retiring deposed PM and 1 deposed treasurer, all leaving at the same election…
      Another Australian First for the Labor party.

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:56PM
    • Sorry to disappoint you 5 sleeps !

      Commenter
      Fred
      Location
      Bloggs
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:05PM
    • Don't worry macca - the inevitable pre-Christmas by-election in Griffith will fix that.

      Commenter
      brian
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:09PM
    • Was that an internal ALP poll Macca? The last poll I saw had Rudd trailing 52-48 2PP...

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:32PM
  • Pen, Tone, Sharron et al;

    You know, the funny thing is that your comments over the past few weeks are probably helping swing the vote even more to the LNP.

    Rusted on Labor supporters of course will love what you are saying, LNP supporters can't stand you, but I suspect those who actually are swing voters look at your drivel and think to themselves - what planet are you on?, and why on earth would I vote people like yourselves back in.

    Oh and as for KRudd "Solidarity for all nerds". I hope that is not a new policy - it would kill whats left of the economy.

    Nerds do better in business by exercising free thought and acumen, not by dumbing down into a homogeneous crowd.

    Commenter
    Paul
    Location
    somewhere
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 2:38PM
    • @"Paul"

      Discover your present Location and your "Comment" might carry some weight.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:02PM
    • Exactly but Shh ! Will have to thank them later.

      Commenter
      Opto
      Location
      Hi
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:03PM
    • J. Fraser.

      Where am I? certainly not in a labor office somewhere desperately trying to get as many comments posted as possible.

      No - its about bed time for me. This Nerd needs his sleep before launching a suite of new manufactured products this week.

      It's been fascinating watching from afar. Takes a few years outside of Aus to realise how inconsequential Australian politics and the economy is c/w the real world out there.

      Commenter
      Paul
      Location
      The world
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:17PM
    • Solidarity... What did I go to sleep and somehow wake up in Poland in the 1980's.

      Commenter
      ExecutiveBriefing
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:28PM
    • Oh Paul !

      Don't be such a baby.

      Politics is never pretty.

      But better than war.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:28PM
  • Even people that don't particularly like them must admit that the Liberal Party marketing machine have done an exceptional job in this campaign. They've managed to twist every positive to a negative, good news has become bad news, all of Tony Abbott's relentless negativity has become Rudd's relentless negativity. Abbott's lies have become Rudd's lies. Abbott's lack of costings has become Rudd's making it up about Abbott's costings. They've done a brilliant job. Now lets hope that the Liberals don't get too many votes and end up implementing some of their more ignorant policies.

    Commenter
    Tone
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 2:34PM
    • Tone's

      For once, you are all but correct.

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:47PM
    • yes ....psychological projection is alive and well in the LNP

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:48PM
    • Tone, that is not the result of a marketing machine. It is mostly just the truth. If you do some research, you will find that Labor has been overwhelmingly the party running negative ads and taking a personal approach. The Labor smear campaign against the opposition leader is coming home to roost - just like it did for Anna Bligh.

      Commenter
      Julia by 10 seats
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:52PM
    • I couldn't agree more Tone. Maybe it's just easier to take the low road?

      Even the Liberal paid skills on these blogs have come out with a better result. I mean they loose every battle cos they can't beat logic, but that was never their plan. They didn't ever try to turn anyone smart with bad arguments, but just to further confuse and obsficate every issue - to distract, distort and exaggerate to bore the unintelligent 'swing voter'.

      Congratulation LNP shills! Now you will get to enjoy an Abbott government that will reduce the standard of living of 'not-rich' people like yourselves.

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:07PM
    • I wish that were true but you've bought into it as well. There have been so many positive achievements that have all been spun as negatives. I think it's sad.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:12PM
    • And I forgot to mention straight out lies, projection and getting in the last word as part of the LNP propaganda machine.

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:27PM
    • QED

      Looks as though you have also taken the low road with your response.

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:57PM
  • Photo @ 2:26pm. The things you have to do when you're that far behind. Poor Therese must have a job & a half putting the ego & god complex back together again every night.

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 2:30PM
  • Just 5 days before the election I'm happy to go on the record to say "There will be no labor government in the vote I make".
    Thanks Julia & Kev.

    Commenter
    Almost Over
    Location
    Barwon heads
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 2:30PM
  • Pulse Live Photo @2.26

    What is Rudd doing to that poor kid's hair?
    Doesn't he know his own hair styling isn't cool?
    Kid probably too polite to say 'No'.
    Well at least we all get our chance to say
    'No' to Kevin on Saturday

    Commenter
    yys
    Location
    Say No to Kevin
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 2:29PM
    • And the calendar will say September the 8th 1957. How weird. The TV will be running in black and white. The Church will have regained its position of prestige. Tony will be watching Cowboys and Indians set in the middle east, maybe Hogan's Heroes will even be back. And temperatures will have dropped three or four degrees, climate change won't exist. Hallelujah Tony.

      Commenter
      GOV
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:29PM
    • What yourself and other people need to understand is that it's not your location that is important, it is the direction in which you are travelling.

      Labor have proven themselves unreliable.

      Commenter
      MLJ
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:26PM
    • Oh c'mon Fraze - enlighten me - what justification does our caretaker PM have for using a tax payer funded RAAF plane to run around campaigning? If it was official business, then sure enough, but campaigning? Clive Palmer even had to give up his jet-fuel for the busy all important Kevin doing a campaign visit to Melbourne. If this is just considered normal (that tax payers fund the incumbent, but not the challenger), then that is a serious issue for our democracy isn't it? How do you get to charter an RAAF plane if you are not in government anyway?

      Commenter
      Julia by 10 seats
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:26PM
  • So Rudd is campaigning yet again in another school - Selfies all round everyone.

    Do you think perhaps he is lobbying for the Shadow Education Minister gig?

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 2:25PM
    • Will they still be paying them?

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:25PM
    • yes...and the ones so looking forward to an Abbott victory in all irony will most likely be the ones that lose the most.....laughable really....financially I stand to gain from an Abbott victory so I will be laughing all the way to the bank!

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:23PM
  • "Buy the boats"

    "Drone the oceans"

    "$75k babies"

    "Woman of calibre"

    Aussies are telling Abbott to "shut up".

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 2:22PM
    • Frazzles, if that is the case, it must be 15 seats and rising for the ALP.

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:48PM
    • You for got "10 seat majority".

      Commenter
      brian
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:51PM
  • Ooh Ooh Kevin is in Brisbane. Lets guess what he will announce.
    - Essendon Bombers will be re-named and relocated. Starting from the beginning of next season they will be Re-named the Brisbane Airport Bombers and will play out of a new stadium that will be built in Morningside. As part of the deal James Hird will be able to coach so long as he changes his name to King Wally Lewis Hird by deed poll. #ItsOurRuddyFootballTeam

    Commenter
    Cwitty
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 2:20PM
  • War? What war? Are we at war? Has anyone told the military? Should we buy more boats? Have we upset Fiji?

    Great question media, how much they pay you for that one?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 2:18PM
  • Come Sunday if the election goes the way the polls predict suddenly deficits won't be bad to have, the debt won't be as bad and our supposed cost of livings pressures will be eased- well at lest that's what News Ltd and the Abbott supporters on this blog will be arguing.

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 2:13PM
    • yes...and the ones so looking forward to an Abbott victory in all irony will most likely be the ones that lose the most.....laughable really....financially I stand to gain from an Abbott victory so I will be laughing all the way to the bank!

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:23PM
    • Will they still be paying them?

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:25PM
    • What yourself and other people need to understand is that it's not your location that is important, it is the direction in which you are travelling.

      Labor have proven themselves unreliable.

      Commenter
      MLJ
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:26PM
    • And the calendar will say September the 8th 1957. How weird. The TV will be running in black and white. The Church will have regained its position of prestige. Tony will be watching Cowboys and Indians set in the middle east, maybe Hogan's Heroes will even be back. And temperatures will have dropped three or four degrees, climate change won't exist. Hallelujah Tony.

      Commenter
      GOV
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:29PM
    • MLJ - And what direction will we be travelling in? The low income earners will be going backwards, the high income earners will be going forwards, our prospects for qulity Broadband will have gone backwards and our chances for tackling climate change will have gone backwards.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:43PM
    • Macca, one minute you say deficits are not bad, the next you are asking how Abbott plans to pay labors deficit off. So is labors deficit bad or is it good?

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:55PM
    • KP - There is nothing wrong with deificits (in the right economic condidtions) but all you Abbott supporters think they are terrible and state having a surplus is one of the reasons to change govt - but Abbott doens't look like having a surplus anytime soon so why vote for him?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:39PM
    • You will be ok as long as you don'twear a burqa, they confront and scare poor little Tone.

      Commenter
      Pieron
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:42PM
  • Difficult to see the elction of Tony Murdoch as anything but a lowpoint in the history of the country. At least until he starts governing I guess with his weirdo first grader policies.

    Commenter
    GOV
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 2:10PM
  • Today’s Newspoll results are interesting for the continuing argument they present of exactly what preference flows from 2010 are being used to calculate the 2PP position.

    Looking back at the results for 2010, the MINORS (GRN + OTH) garnered 18.4% of the voting result.

    On a 2PP MINORS basis, the split was: ALP, 35% LNP. More specifically, however, the GRN preferenced 21%, LNP (79%, ALP), and OTH, 58%, LNP (42%, ALP).

    In the last 6 Newspolls (through, today), the MINOR splitting has been all over the place. From an ALP high of 65.7% in 2010) (34.3%, LNP), it has actually ended up all over the place at (to the ALP) 62, 58, 69 (9/8), 64, 63, and 62 (2/9).

    Yet, the MINOR 2PP split today actually involves a much lower contributory GRN mix (was 11.8%, now around 9-10%), and a higher contributory OTH mix (was 6.6%, but now sharply gyrating, between 7 and 11%.

    It therefore seems that Newspoll is allocating its 2PP figures on a MINOR split mix (65.7 to 34.3), whilst ignoring the more specific 21 (GRN to LNP), and 58 (OTH to LNP) actual 2PP splits of 2010.

    Adjusting, however, for the actual GRN and OTH 2010 2PP splits, and the Newspoll reported 2PP results change significantly from 51.8 (Jul19) which is near enough to the reported 52 (to the LNP).

    Then, to 51.7 (52, actual, on Aug2).

    But, then, widening to 53.1 (52, reported on Aug9), before further widening to 54.7 (53 reported on Aug16),

    Then, back to a matched 53 (53 also reported on Aug23).

    But then resuming its widening today, at 54.5 (vs 54 reported, Sep2).

    The last 6 Newspolls have averaged 52.67% 2PP, LNP, against an adjusted 53.13%. That is, understating the actual LNP swing 2PP results by a further 0.5+ points.

    Commenter
    Grant
    Location
    Mham
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 2:04PM
    • Crikey a book! I thought that this was the comments section.

      Commenter
      Fred
      Location
      Bloggs
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:37PM
    • Is that you Pen?

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:12PM
    • dcs

      No I only suffer from mild verbosity, albeit factual.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:42PM
  • In your dreams Labor have been a completely dysfunctional "family". Oh everything is great just ask everyone. Low interest rates testify to the brilliance of the way everything is surging along. Watch out you might get run down by a high speed train carrying the ALP to their next news conference. Any government that really does well needs say almost nothing to get re-elected their record stands as their testimony - my point. Watch out now 5 sleeps and it's over- an opinion.
    CommenterOptimistDate and time

    Commenter
    Optimist
    Location
    Correction
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 2:03PM
  • “Keeping the carbon price would be like "the entire country stopping work at some stage over the next 40 years for the best part of a year” (Abbott).

    Since when was a carbon price meant to last 40 years? The intention was to move to an ETS in very short order.

    “More than anything, this election is a referendum on the carbon tax,” (Abbott).

    In other words the carbon tax that is less than 0.3% of 1% of GDP is the main issue?

    So vote for Abbott so he can claim a mandate for scrapping anything to do with climate change, and that is closer to the truth.

    I have yet to see the media ask Abbott a question of real pertinence?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 1:59PM
    • Pen you just love Tony don't you in fact I reckon you might be a secret admirer ? Face it you'd better get used to him. Love him or loath him it seems he's the people's choice. Saturday will tell.

      Commenter
      Opto
      Location
      Hi Pen
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:26PM
    • Abbott treats Australians like fools assuming that we can't do the simplest of maths and making people care about a tax that did no harm and was stated to be removed anyway.

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:27PM
    • ... and I want to see when Rudd is actually answering a question - not dodging, not waffling, not lying - just answering ... and I don't hold my breath

      Commenter
      ET
      Location
      Lakesland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:35PM
    • You've taken those comments out of context.What it actually means is that the carbon tax has a 2.5% repressive effect on the economy. (ie Australians will work for an entire year for free out of every 40).

      Screw the carbon tax, it's just a revenue raiser. Want to reduce Australia's emissions & increase sustainability? The government needs to directly invest into renewable energy projects, not increase the cost of living for ordinary Australians and Australian businesses.

      Commenter
      MLJ
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:40PM
    • MLJ,
      That's what the carbon tax does.
      It sends a pricing signal to those that consume or produce large amounts of energy.
      It's very easy to understand and it leaves the government out of it (market economics).
      You're proposing government intervention which is sub-optimal.
      In addition, CO2 levels from power stations have already dropped 9% in 6 months since the introduction of the ETS/tax. Therefore your claim that it doesn't work is untrue for starters.

      Commenter
      Econorat
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:35PM
  • Not difficult to see why Abbott, Murdoch and Pell want Abbott keep his mouth shut.

    And Hockey prays that his costings will stay out of sight until after the election.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 1:59PM
    • Why? (and no waffling, lying .. just in 10 or so words)

      Commenter
      ET
      Location
      Lakesland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:14PM
  • It seems strange that Aboriginal communities with a school have a government funded chaplain but no Nurse.

    No doubt Abbott knows of this problem first hand ... due to his "charity" work in Aboriginal communities.

    Will he boot the chaplains out and bring in Nurses ?

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 1:57PM
    • Probably boot the Chaplains out and bring in the priests. And doesn't he want to privatise schools?
      I despair at the thought of it all.
      let's hope voters stop taking their Murdoch pills and realise what will lay ahead under the puppet.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:47PM
  • Haven't Labor officially started their campaign now? So how come Kevin gets to jet around on an RAAF plane? Is Labor really paying for the cost of that?

    Commenter
    Julia by 10 seats
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 1:54PM
    • At first it was frightening to see how little you know.

      But then I saw your pseudonym and realized you are still in 1950.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:13PM
  • Must have new lighting at the press club, either that or he's employed what's her name from Brisbane. He doesn't look so muck like "Mr Thunderbird"

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 1:51PM
  • Poor Kevvie and his mates have had only one strategy throughout the who;le election campaign and that is to attack Tony Abbott. They have tried to play the man and not the ball the whole time and as expected the game has slipped away from them. Unlike Labor, the Coalition is a team and they are working as a team. The Labor brains trust has just decided to let Kevvie have his head with predictable results. The lack of team support for Kev speaks volumes. They are quite happy to see him hoisted on his own petard and are probably secretly happy that they are not going to have to work with him after this Saturday.

    Commenter
    Gottalarf
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 1:49PM
    • If the ball doesn't exist you can't play it.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:11PM
  • Perhaps "hacka" could do some research on "Steel Harbour Pty Ltd" or "Babbage Hockey Pty Ltd".

    Pretty sad when the Murdoch media has to press ganged to give the Australian voter information on Hockey's misdeeds.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 1:44PM
  • Did anyone notice that Wikileaks is preferencing Senator Bob Carr and the ALP above the Coalition and other conservative parties in the Senate (and the same in Victoria).

    Julian (Assange) must be happy in the Equadorian Embassy in London

    Commenter
    Vulture
    Location
    Gladesville
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 1:42PM
    • When they asked if things would be better for Julian Assange if Tony Abbott got elected, Julian responded "I don't think electing Tony Abbott will be good for anyone."

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:06PM
  • There is a rumour going around that Our PM WILL attend the G 20. (Kevin thinks he invented it) He will leave on Wednesday and return on Friday night. With all the drama in Syria (Baddies V Baddies) the story goes that Kev will walk into the meeting and Say "My name is Kevin I am from Queensland and I am here to help" He is setting the trip up by going after Tony on foreign affairs….
    No normal thinking politician would dream of going so close to the election... Therefore Kevin will definitely go and I think he should go; I look forward to the selfies with Obama and Putin...

    Commenter
    Cwitty
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 1:40PM
  • Well after a 6 year marathon run of inept and incompetent government under Labor, the nightmare is 5 nights shy of coming to an end. I for one can't wait to see Labor annihilated along with the astroturfing blog brigade (you know who you are). See you all here next Monday ;)

    Commenter
    simples
    Location
    Australia
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 1:37PM
    • I can't wait for 3 weeks time, when we find out the coalition has a bigger budget deficit than labors, as Abbott spends spends spends his ass off to get power power power.

      Commenter
      Tim
      Location
      InnerCity
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:45PM
    • Then what? How will the budget get to surplus, how will the debt be repaid? How will the supposed cost of living pressures be eased?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:52PM
    • Is it next Monday cos all of the paid shills have to stay silent during the media blackout till then?

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:57PM
    • all I can say simples...is ...I hope you are a very well off business owner and/or have an income of around $200000 per year with around $1m in super to be benefited in any way from Tony Abbott.....if not....say goodbye to the living standard you have now! It will be fun to watch and listen to the cries and howls of pain from the deceived LNP voters in the next few years ha ha enjoy! I will be much better off under Abbott financially but Labor have better social policies.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:01PM
    • Al in favour of replacing a party of liars by a different party of liars please speak now, so Simple does run true to form?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:01PM
    • Macca75 - that is a question everyone has been asking of Labor and... [crickets]....

      Commenter
      Julia by 10 seats
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:42PM
    • Pen stop putting the Greens down.

      Commenter
      PDJ
      Location
      Down Under
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:43PM
  • The Immigration Minister advised this morning that August counted for 1585 arrivals in 25 boats.

    Checking the Border protection site which recorded boat arrivals after 4th August (there have been 18 reported arrivals for a total of 1355 illegals, including 44 crew), and Minister Claire's for prior to 5 August (there were 5 reported boats, for 264 arrivals, including 10 crew), the total so far has come to 23 boats and 1619 arrivals (with 54 crew). That's 1565 arrivals without the crew.

    2 points that are puzzling:
    (1) what are the other 2 boats to whichc the Minister is referring but with BPC has made no reference to?; and
    (2) the arrival numbers published by RGR appear to exclude crew numbers. Therefore, the actual real arrival numbers are even higher than what had early been considered circa, 1000 - 1500 higher in each year, on account of crew numbers.

    Commenter
    Grant
    Location
    Mitcham
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 1:37PM
    • How many came on planes?

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:47PM
    • How many came on planes?

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:47PM
  • Drs. Hacka and SteveH,

    So Tony Abbott wants to introduce more of the white Englishman's history and not so much Indigenous history into the curriculum, is that right?

    More of white Australia teaching is that what your Tony Abbott wants?

    So how does Tony Abbott's ideas differ from Pauline Hanson's white Australia ideas?

    Commenter
    Sharron
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 1:35PM
    • He said nothing about reducing indigenous history Sharron - you made that up. How many weeks has Rudd spent living in indigenous communities? "Dropping by" for a chat and a selfie in between meetings at the nearest air conditioned Grand Hyatt doesn't count.

      Commenter
      brian
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:47PM
    • Abbott is simply Howard-lite. Re-writing history before he's elected huh? Typical.

      Commenter
      Screaming
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:48PM
    • Drawing a long bow there Sharon, you won’t get anyone to pick a fight on that one, Tony Abbott has the best record in government for his treatment of aboriginal people and is the only one who spends a week in the bush living with them, not a tree you want to be barking up here, you won’t win any friends on either side.

      Commenter
      Peter G
      Location
      Drummoyne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:49PM
    • Clutching at straws Sharron,
      Nothing wrong with expanding the scope of a history curriculum.

      Commenter
      Pensive
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:53PM
    • They don't. And speaking of Hanson I wonder how Ettridges court case is going.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:57PM
    • Sharron, what are you talking about? These desperate hysterical rants make very little sense.

      Abbott did not say cut back on teaching kids about indigenous issues; he mentioned that there appeared to be little other heritage taught. Abbott then said that irrespective this was a decision for teachers and not for him.

      Sharron, to me it sounds like you need a snickers.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:00PM
    • Well its Christian history isn't it? You know all of that biblical metaphoric language they do not understand?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:03PM
    • Sharron, my only connection with politics is through Fairfax media, who bill me $15 a month for the privilege
      (expecting big things from you now Steph.).

      If you want any serious answers from Abbott, you're not going to get them the chumps in the peanut gallery.

      Sorry about that luv.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:05PM
    • Shar(r)on you have a surplus of letters but not a budget surplus nor a surplus of a braincells. Australian history is so important for all Australians to know and appreciate and there is much more to be told about our past than the golden age of trade unions and Gough the Great (Waster).

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:14PM
    • So that's why you don't know anything about what Abbott plans to do after the election SteveH.

      You actually don't know anything at all!!

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:55PM
  • ""If it's called Medibank Private it may as well be in the private sector," Mr Abbott says" Gee how can you fault that logic - maybe the Victorian Libs should buy back the "Public" transport system?

    Perhaps we will see a lot of name changes under the Abbott govt - Centrelink Private, the Private Service etc

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 1:26PM
    • Give up Macca.
      Come Saturday your beloved party is going to be GOOOOONE.

      Commenter
      Almost there
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:48PM
    • Macca, with a very competitive field of private health funds in the market there is no need for government to participate as a player as well as the regulator. This is one policy of Abbott's I welcome.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:53PM
    • Lewis - How much money does MEdibank Private generate for the govt each year?
      And what is the sale price?

      It may be good policy but surely the fact it's called medibank private isn't a reason to sell.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:04PM
    • Macca. Hehe, that's what happens when you have dumb retail politicians explaining good policy.

      Governments have no business competing with private businesses no matter how profitable. The only justifications for government to be involved in business are:
      1. To provide much needed infrastructure or services which are so capital extensive that no one else can do it.
      2. To ensure there is enough competition in a sector that has far too few players.
      Otherwise, government's vast resources & coercive powers just distorts the market.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:23PM
  • Here we go...now we are getting more like it......The history curriculum contains things he would like to see amended, Mr Abbott says.

    change or rewrite history for schools hey Tony....a history of your neocon making not the real one....

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 1:26PM
  • Well we knew to expect some beauties this week but apparently Labor has just declared victory over the people smugglers.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 1:25PM
    • Definitely need fact checker to cast their eyes over that one.

      Nice try Tony Burke - do you think we can't see right through your desperate campaign spin?

      At least after the election Burke will have plenty of time on his hands to enjoy free holidays once more at Eddie Obeid's ski lodge.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:04PM
    • Umm I think the Minister said the "policy was working". The person who wrote the article used the phrase "claimed victory". You really ought to read before you write.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:37PM
  • Labors incredible achievements so far and more to come.
    ***AAA*** rating from the three major global ratings agencies (envy of the world)
    Low unemployment (heading for the magical million jobs created)
    Low Interest rates (yup lower than Howard)
    Record investment pipeline
    Introduced the NDIS (Abbott signed up kicking and screaming)
    Introduced Gonski Better Schools program (Abbott signed up kicking and screaming)
    Stopped the Boats (The liberals hate that)
    Saved jobs with Pink Batts scheme and building School halls.
    Computers for every school kid
    Fast NBN Broadband.
    School kids bonus for struggling families
    A fair dinkum Maternity leave policy.
    Pension rises
    A REAL world wide climate change policy.
    A positive plan for Australia.
    And all these great achievements even while we had the most negative oppression leader in history trash talking our enviable economy every day!!
    And Abbott is giving us?buying leaky boats from the people smugglers for billions of dollars and $75 GRAND to his rich mates to pop out kids..a GST rise,work choices..oh GOD.

    Commenter
    Steeden
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 1:22PM
    • ***AAA*** rating from the three major global ratings agencies

      Enron and Lehman Brothers had tripled A ratings right up until they collapsed. It's a prestigious club.

      Commenter
      Sydney
      Location
      Cwitty
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:56PM
    • In your dreams Labor have been a completely dysfunctional "family". Oh everything is great just ask everyone. Low interest rates testify to the brilliance of the way everything is surging along. Watch out you might get run down by a high speed train carrying the ALP to their next news conference. Any government that has really does well needs say almost nothing to get re-elected their record stands as their testimony - my point. Watch out now 5 sleeps and it's over- an opinion.

      Commenter
      Optimist
      Location
      soon
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:59PM
    • Focus on the growth in the public debt (not its % of GDP) which is why the ratings agencies expected a solid path to surplus by now, not continuing deficits.

      I can't tell you about the NBN though as it will be at least 3 years before I see it. Strange we run such a huge project while there is record private capex and need for resources - you would have thought they would do this during private sector downturn to get the most value and offset the economic weakness instead of competing with mining etc.

      Funny how they detested Howard policies but they continued how many of them?

      Tax cuts, CGT discount, NG and other subsidies, FHB grants.

      I'd hate to see how people actually get by without the handouts.

      Paul Keating would have had the backbone to reform most of Howards handouts and given real productive reform rather than taking orders from union officials.

      Missed opportunity from both sides which were saved by a commodities boom.

      Commenter
      Opinion Only
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:03PM
    • Err. Can you please explain the lies?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:09PM
    • Nice to see stuff straight out of the ALP's talking points. Enough fantasies, now facts:
      Record deficit over $30bn, up from $19bn, forecast to increase
      Record total debt, approaching $300bn
      Repeated unfulfilled surplus promises
      Forecast unemployment rise
      Interest rates at record lows - Reserve Bank attempting to stimulate the economy
      Investment pipeline drying up (from Rudd)
      NDIS only trial stages – real money to come after 2016-2017
      Gonski not yet in place, real money only to start flowing in 4 years' time
      Boats only temporarily reduced – history shows record boat arrivals and deaths at sea after Rudd scrapped previously successful policies (something the ALP won't admit or apologise for)
      Pink Batts: 4 workers killed, millions lost due to dodgy operators, scheme mismanaged and abruptly shut down without warning leaving to numerous job losses, official Coronial and Auditor-general criticism
      School Halls: numerous examples of over-payment, duplication, unwanted construction, little or no consultation, official Auditor-general criticism
      School computer scheme terminated without explanation by Gillard and Swan
      NBN barely reaching repeatedly revised forecasts, over-budget with still no cost-benefit analysis, problems with contractors
      School Kids Bonus promised from proceeds of mining tax, but tax only less than 10% of forecast – i.e. we pay it
      ALP's maternity leave at minimum pay rates only for a lesser period of time – affecting lower-income families
      Pension rises eaten up by increases in costs of living – AND single mothers forced onto lower-value pensions
      Carbon tax over-forecast, revised down and dumped for a "floating scheme" with a massive budget hit, carbon credits are a major source of organised fraud in Europe, considerable impacts on major Australian industry for little benefit
      Open warfare between members of the Government, mass resignations, 2 Prime Ministers knifed in office, unprecedented public statements by Government Ministers
      * Shall we continue?

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:46PM
    • Steeden, you just don't learn do you.
      Hawke lost our 2 AAA credit ratings Howard got them back. The third, fitch, a new agency, was AA+ and a fete accompli when labor came in thanks to responsible budget management by Costello. All 3 are under threat thanks to the profligate spending and budget mismanagement from labor.
      Unemployment has risen and is rising further under labor.
      Interest rates are emergency and not a sign of a strong economy.
      NDIS was strongly supported by the coalition, the only thing they demanded from labor was the details of how they would fully fund it, to this day still missing. That is what responsible oppositions do, hold proven incompetent governments to account.
      Funny how you call 2 boats arriving recently stopping the boats, you obviously have low standards.
      They killed the legitimate insulation industry and made many contractors rich by paying ridiculous prices for school halls, libraries and canteens. 
      Lots of school kids without computers, even more with useless computers.
      NBN way behind schedule, massively over budget and with minuscule uptake.
      Took a receipted payment for legitimate school expenses and turned it into a cash bribe with no proof required.
      A seriously offensive PPL scheme for anyone who earns even the minimum wage while the PS maintain their bloated entitlement and get the PPL as a bonus.
      Implemented a CO2 tax that penalized all businesses while the rest of the world didn't. Basically is was a typically socialist income redistribution policy.
      If you could list even one positive that would be good.
      And your attack on the coalition is based on unfounded conspiracy theory. Time to wake up to reality. Smart people have had enough of the lies and incompetence of labor.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:47PM
    • Howard lost the AAA rating. Hawke and Keating restructured the economy. Howard was the recipient of that restructuring and ended up getting the AAA rating back. He subsequently lost it and the current Labor government got it back.

      The new AAA rating is far more stringent that the old GFC rating. Only 8 countries in the world have AAA ratings from all agencies.

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:16PM
  • Abbott pedges to get the budget back under control but won't increase taxes until the 2016 election and has announced over $50b in new spending and has ruled out cutting education, health or pensions - seems like he plans 3 years of deficits.

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 1:22PM
  • The Encore

    There was a pollie named Rudd,
    With colleagues that thought him a dud,
    But they put him back in,
    With hopes he might win,
    But alas he came down with a thud.

    Commenter
    Poet Laureate
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 1:20PM
  • Mr Abbott says recommendations from a tax white paper and a federalism white paper will form the basis of a 2016 election platform from a Coalition government.

    OK, the plot unfolds.......the next 3 years will be a nothing 3 years....just stop the boats stop the boats buy the boats......time to dream up the big next wave of neocon policies, GST increases, changes to federal/state responsibilities privatise everything etc.......let them have their 3 years of glorybaking but keep Australia like Australia not the US in 2016.

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 1:07PM
    • 'let them have their 3 years',

      Sheesh, I reckon Tony is planing on at least 3 full terms.

      Ya not gunna get off that lightly JT.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:34PM
    • he can plan all he likes...but watch him exit stage far right in 2016

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:03PM
    • Ahhh, JT if only Labor had done a good job you would not be so worried right now. But that is the way the cookie crumbles: replace a liar with a liar and the result is?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:08PM
    • Pen Pen Pen You are becoming drearily repetitious with the "Lie" word and that is not how wisdom speaks.
      Cheers

      Commenter
      Optimist
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:54PM
  • Abbott at Press Club looking Prime Ministerial. Lyndal Curtis says Abbott set up new model for Opposition - don't think she means it as a compliment, but Tony said he would take it as one.
    Abbott's answer makes good sense as usual. As Opposition The Government has provided a 'target rich environment'.

    Commenter
    yys
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 1:05PM
    • A target rich environment for an Abbott style opposition is one that produces a policy - does Abbott not intend to have any policies?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:27PM
    • The answer he gave lasted 2 minutes the other 3 minutes he talked about the paid parental scheme, which had nothing to do with the question asked, he just went off tangent mid sentence.

      Commenter
      Tim
      Location
      InnerCity
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:35PM
    • Macca75
      The Coalition have announced many policies already. Check the Liberals' website.
      You are being deliberately obtuse.

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:21PM
    • yys - If they have announced many policies that is many things for the new opposition to oppose - they will create a target rich environment - especially if they try to introduce all the dogs they have announced.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:43PM
  • "Elect the Coalition and you will have a grown up, adult government that thinks before it acts," Mr Abbott says.

    Yes folks....heaps of suppositories of wisdom.....

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 1:02PM
    • So JT, you prefer policy on the run?

      Tell me how announcing a new FBT policy with no consultation with industry, financiers or his front bench, was supposed to save 1.8 billion, yet to try and recover the damage offers 2.2 billion in new subsidies is good government.

      Keep in mind this was not a policy to be maybe put in place after he would be elected but happened overnight. And no I am not affected personally in any way by the FBT change, but it just shows the total lack of regard for consequences.

      Stupidity? Arrogance? Megalomania? And you want this crowd to keep doing stuff like this?

      Commenter
      Paul
      Location
      somewhere
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:47PM
    • What about the fact that businesses, despite the FBT changes not being in place yet, began sacking workers based on a perceived outcome? Especially in a climate where the Coalition is expected to win. Do you think these people will get their jobs back after the election? I highly doubt it. It will only become easier to sack workers for no apparent reason and foist their work on the rest of the "lucky" ones.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:08PM
    • the new crowd will be worse....buy indonesian fishing boats?......roll out an NBN that noone will be able to afford to connect to?.....after the amount of deforestation seen in Australia in 200 years, have a green army to plant them all back again?....have a food bowl right in the middle of crocodile owned land?....how many more utterly STUPID policies will come out of Abbotts mouth....at least the school down the road actually uses the school hall to have assemblies rather than sweltering in the hot sun......fool

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:10PM
  • Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that - Martin Luther King, Jr.

    Stay classy Australia, only 5 days to go.

    Commenter
    Bob from Ballarat
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 1:00PM
  • Did anyone notice Albo claiming yesterday that Labor had built the Snowy Mountains Scheme ?

    It was built from 1949 to 1972, which according to most history books was a period of Coalition government.

    Perhaps one for Fact Checker.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 12:45PM
    • Ok, ok, but the Mountains were always much bigger under Labor.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Filling in for J. Fraser
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:04PM
    • Good pickup Hacka. Unfortunately, those facts will be probably revised in the future, a bit like the ALP's account of Kevvy's past history in government.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:04PM
    • You've been hammered for this ridiculous assertion in another article and yet you make it again. The Snowy legislation was assented to in July of 1949, Menzies was elected in December of 1949. Menzies vehemently opposed the scheme. The ALP initiated and planned it. Stop trying to rewrite history, it smacks of desperation to show that the LNP has actually done anything constructive for the country.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:05PM
    • As usual "hacka" cannot be bothered to do any of his/her own research.

      Ben Chifley ring any bells "hacka".

      6 years of "hacka" comments .... of the wrong variety.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:06PM
    • Don't worry Hacka - you'll always have your cheersquad behind you, even when you're wrong. It's the good old Liberal tradition of backing up even the most inane thing as long as it's possible to groupthink.

      Commenter
      BC
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:13PM
    • True SteveH - aren't they turning into the Sandy Mountains on Sunday ?

      tasch2 - Labor have never been shy of ideas, good and bad. This was a good one but thank goodness the project management fell to the Liberals. The entire build was managed by them.

      Imagine if Labor had built it - they'd probably still be digging out the Tumut Pond, a la the NBN.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:23PM
    • Isn't that how it always is. For example, the heavy lifting of implementing NDIS & educational reform is in 5 - 6 years time and not in the term of this government. Will Julia Gillard get any credit then?

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:32PM
    • trying to change history today are we Hacka, best your comment goes to fact checker.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:34PM
    • Looks like your being cyber-stalked by Tasch2 Hacka, their all getting as bit restless now, they know it’s coming Hacka, but they don’t yet realize how bad, I am call it for 9:45 pm but it could even come earlier.

      Commenter
      Peter G
      Location
      Drummoyne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:35PM
    • Hacka a response, apology, correction, anything

      Commenter
      Francis One
      Location
      Holy See
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:37PM
    • Peter G, thanks for you insightful analysis of both my comment and the initial one it was in response to. The way you dealt with the issues raised with laser like accuracy is most welcome.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:02PM
    • ACG - perhaps you can help out here. The SMS was built between 1949 and 1972. Coincidentally, the government was Liberal at the time.

      On what basis would Albo declare it was built by Labor ? The idea, sure, the development, Menzies.

      Let's face it, the Coalition are also going to have to fix up the Labor NBN mess too.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:46PM
    • Hacka, mate, the scheme was built between 49-74, so you have failed to get that right. This means the ALP oversaw some of the building, in fact they completed it, so they finished what they started.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 4:40PM
  • Sorry Abbott you're talking crap here.....there's something very misleading in all of these sentences..

    If "Labor sneaks back" that means the carbon price stays, Mr Abbott says.
    So would the mining tax and the "avalanche of regulation".
    "The Liberal and National coalition has a track record of success," Mr Abbott says.
    "Our final four budgets [in government] were the four biggest surpluses in our history."

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 12:44PM
    • Would you like to point out the problems that you imagine, I mean see JT?

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:09PM
    • The first 2 are exactly like saying Abbott will increase the GST in the next 3 years...he has said no he won't. Rudd has said he will abolish the Carbon price and have the ETS start by July 2014. So to say we will have a carbon tax still is misleading. Also, the mining tax was meant to increase its revenue in later years and there is nothing wrong with that. The production and selling phase of the mining boom has just started. The surpluses attributed to the Howard govt were basically the result of booming household spending and debt resulting in high GST revenues, company tax revenues and bracket creep. Labor did not have these economic conditions to get a surplus, their only mistake was to pander to populist media attacks about obtaining a surplus sooner than what could be achieved under the prevailing economic conditions. Abbott has deliberately mislead the public on interest rates, surpluses and deficits for 3 years and is still doing it.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:20PM
  • A few more days then Kev 747 will be gone on September 07.

    Commenter
    Almost there
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 12:43PM
    • I wish there was a lot less counting of the chickens before they have hatched, but have fingers crossed for that result.
      No point in triumphalism with Labor still in charge

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:02PM
    • And we will all be in 7th heaven.

      Commenter
      Peter G
      Location
      Drummoyne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:37PM
  • Tone, the RBA cash rate never got as low as it is today under Howard, no even close. But when it did move back in Howard's time, it had a reaction (ie. the intended result). Considering interest rates on their own are not relevant - you have to look at ALL economic indicators. Under employment is very high, unemployment is trending higher, to uncomfortably high levels, and business, who should be the driver of the economy, is not investing... instead the government having to try to do the heavy lifting. Business spend is much more productive for the economy than government spending.

    Commenter
    brenton
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 12:42PM
    • Right, so what you're telling me is yes, when Howard had low interest rates it was a good thing, and now that Labor have low interest rates its a bad thing.

      I'm thinking we're going to be hearing next about how debt under Labor was a bad thing but under the Liberals it's a good thing.

      The Liberal Party are beyond reproach.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:45PM
  • With the Newspoll pointing to a clear Coalition win in the House of Reps, but not enough for the Coalition to win the Senate there will be tears all round come 7 September.- the ALP for losing government and the Coalition wondering why people didn't vote "Y" on the Senate ballot paper for NSW.

    Commenter
    Vulture
    Location
    Gladesville
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 12:33PM
    • My intention exactly. Anyone who does not vote for climate change in he senate is nothing more than a proverbial ostrich.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:45PM
    • Pen, I care about the environment but its not as high a priority as jobs, deficits and good governance. Does that mean I have to be an ostrich becauise I like being an emu?

      Commenter
      Emu
      Location
      Outback
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:07PM
    • I didn't think you were voting at all Pen.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:10PM
    • Good point. Column A is Liberal Democrats. Voters need to look for column Y for Liberal Nationals. Liberals and not Labor/ GREENS in the senate? Vote 1 above the line in column Y for ‘Yes’

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:22PM
    • Emu very droll. Consider our last winter the warmest on record. Now consider the chilling factor requirement of stone fruit? Without a chilling factor there is no stone fruit? The stone fruit industry in Australia is worth between $40 -50 million a year.

      Now consider all of the other industries that climate change will effect and then tell me they are not more important than your list driven by self?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:40PM
    • There are no prizes for 2nd Vulture, we will get to the Senate it good time, just want to see Labor done low and slow, bit by bit, little by little.

      Commenter
      Peter G
      Location
      Drummoyne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:40PM
    • Pen is voting for J. Assange....she doesnt want to waste her vote

      Commenter
      Gottalarf
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:41PM
    • Emu. They are my priorities also - hence the reason I'll be putting the LNP last (ALP second last and Greens mixed up with them to make Greens and ALP equal). At least my vote below the line will count. You see, my green ballot paper has already been filled out by Murdoch, unfortunately.

      Commenter
      In search of a democracy
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:42PM
    • dcs

      I said that I will not vote for anyone in the lower house, however, I do intend to vote for the Greens in the senate.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:43PM
  • "Labor is claiming victory over people smugglers with its hardline policy to stop the boats following the lowest number of boat arrivals in six months."

    That just proves how culpable Labor has been through dismantling Howard's proven arrangements.

    Hundreds dead and billions wasted over the last six years.

    Kevin's from Queensland alright,
    but he's not much help.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 12:27PM
    • If the Coalition win the election & manage to stem the boat arrivals in say 2-3 years, what's the bet Kevin will claim then that it was due to his PNG policy.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:27PM
  • Ah Mr Katter - you certainly are a colourful gentleman ... absolutely divorced from any semblance of reality, but colourful nonetheless. Typically with characters such as yourself, many will vote for you.

    And therein lies the problem.

    Commenter
    BC
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 12:26PM
  • I'm very concerned about this Saturday. The welfare and sanity of people are on the line here. When you cast your vote on Saturday, please spare a thought for J Fraser of Qld, who won't have any political blogs to fill with his one-eyed views. I'm guessing the Fairfax moderators will have their work halved come Sunday...

    Commenter
    brenton
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 12:23PM
    • Hahaha, but in targeting Frase all you've done is paint yourself as being just as one-eyed.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:29PM
    • I suspect that you could be included in the "Frase" cohort, Tone

      Commenter
      Louis Cypher
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:43PM
  • What's your prediction J. Fraser re seats Labor will win. Come on let's hear your words of wisdom and compare the two Monday morning.

    Commenter
    Brettie
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 12:19PM
    • Last week he swapped from Gillard by 10 seats to Rudd by 13 seats.

      It took a while for Gillard's knifing to sink in.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:40PM
    • Let me answer for him, Rudd by a zillion seats!

      And more to come!

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:42PM
  • Macca, yes, the vital signs of our economy are 'very soft' at best. When the RBA cuts rates repeatedly to try to get people to spend, and it doesn't work, you know the fundamentals are wrong (eg. business confidence poor = less employing = less employee job security = less consumer confidence). Labor says "our debt versus GDP is low compared with other countries. That may be true, but once upon a time Greece, UK, USA, Spain, Italy & Portugal all our our current debt to GDP ratio. We are entering a period trade tightening (lead my mining) and we have no reserves for this "rainy day"... we spend the piggy bank and a truck load more in the good times.

    Commenter
    brenton
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 12:18PM
    • So what you're saying is that when John Howard has low interest rates that's a good thing, but when Labor has low interest rates that's a bad thing.

      Got it.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:24PM
    • Tone, I don't believe interest rates were ever at emergency levels during the Howard government.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:38PM
    • Tone, the RBA cash rate never got as low as it is today under Howard, no even close. But when it did move back in Howard's time, it had a reaction (ie. the intended result). Considering interest rates on their own are not relevant - you have to look at ALL economic indicators. Under employment is very high, unemployment is trending higher, to uncomfortably high levels, and business, who should be the driver of the economy, is not investing... instead the government having to try to do the heavy lifting. Business spend is much more productive for the economy than government spending.

      Commenter
      brenton
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:41PM
    • I don't think anyone looked at all the figures under Liberals. It was a simple statement - interest rates low good (Liberal) interest rates low bad (Labor)

      You have to give it to them, though - the Liberals are far far better marketers.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:30PM
  • What begs believe is the absurdity of some here, who believe voting for known liars is preferable to not voting for liars? Where on earth did this type of credulous thinking come from? They actually prefer the lies of Abbott over the lies of Rudd or visa versa and really do believe their definition of a lie as a false statement is made with the intention of deceiving?

    Truth is a self-regarding virtue belonging to our own rational nature, and no one who has any regard for his own dignity and self-respect will be willingly guilty of being a liar.

    Appeasing liars has consequences for society because lies by definition are always injurious to somebody. The lie in a political context is saying that we do not have the right to be told the truth. The lie also hides the malice that is behind the lie.

    When voting be very careful of what you are voting for and of tarnishing yourself with a lie of a liar.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 12:14PM
  • Tony Abbott is on record for saying yes to many of the 75 issues suggested by the IPA, a lobby group pushing the agenda of predominantly rich Australians.

    The IPA article is here:
    http://ipa.org.au/publications/2080/be-like-gough-75-radical-ideas-to-transform-australia

    The issues include things like:
    - Repeal the renewable energy target
    - Break up the ABC and privatise SBS
    - Repeal the Racial Discrimination Act
    - Abolish the ACCC
    - Abolish ACMA
    - End mandatory disclosure of political donations
    - Eliminate media ownership restrictions
    - Eliminate the National Preventative Health Agency
    - Abolish the Foreign Investment Review Board
    - Repeal plain packaging for cigarettes

    There's some pretty extreme stuff in there. Which of the many policies has Tony Abbott agreed to implement?

    Tony Abbott says "So, ladies and gentlemen, that is a big “yes” to many of the 75 specific policies you urged upon me"

    Tony Abbott's speech is here: http://www.tonyabbott.com.au/LatestNews/Speeches/tabid/88/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/9135/Address-to-Institute-of-Public-Affairs-70th-Anniversary-Dinner-Melbourne.aspx

    Commenter
    Tone
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 12:12PM
    • The IPA is about the most neocon far right extreme capitalist lobby group around....if Tony accepts their 75 policies then I have no doubt that Australians will kick his govt out as soon as they can....we are a big bunch of employees and won't stand for the IPA stuff of the likes of Sarah Palin, Tea Party or George Bush

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:18PM
    • The IPA stuff is all about getting rid of any opposition to conservative voices ie media restrictions, ABC etc etc......they can then propel their conservative propaganda at will repeatedly over time until the population believe it (but they never know what has happened to them and how they are brainwashed). How do thinking Australians fight this?

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:23PM
    • Tony Abbott is one of them. If elected, Abbott won't last 3 months before Hockey or Bishop replace him.

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:26PM
    • Tone...this I believe is the most important and scary thing about electing Tony Abbott into power. Forget all the other trivial stuff like costings, who stabbed who, who was more incompetent than someone else....this is it....to allow such far right wing neocon policies into Australia will change our society ....to become more like the US. I will not stand for it and will move to NZ or Canada if it comes to it......leave the bogans to bogan with each other.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:31PM
  • Qld public servants.

    Under Labor 20,015 earning in excess of $100k.

    Currently under LNP 25,792 earning in excess of $100k.

    Under Labor public servants earning $40 > $70k ...... 95,987.

    Currently under LNP public servants earning $40k > $70k .... 83,994.

    Who will Abbott hurt when he starts cutting.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 12:02PM
    • That'd be all the staff that have left since newman took over. The thing that stands out is that Newman is doing what he said he would and is figting hard to bring queensland back from the edge.

      I bet you think that he should just keep employing people like bligh and beattie did. Funnily enough the employment figures in queensland have imporoved despite al the cuts to the public service. The productive side of the economy is growing.

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:16PM
    • J Fraser obviously. I think that you have to cop it all and the rest of us will be ok. Thanks J!

      Commenter
      PDJ
      Location
      Looking forward to Sat
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:19PM
    • NSW Labor = ICAC.... Checkmate

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:31PM
    • Denny
      Qld was never on "the edge".
      A couple of major natural disasters put them back a little. But as one of the mining states, Qld should have recovered quickly.
      Newman put the brakes on. By slashing and burning, he all but threw the state into recession.
      He is so bad, his major supporter Clive Palmer, has set up his own party.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:35PM
    • Steve - do you mean the flood that could have been avoided had labor not adopted a stupid water policy? As for palmer, well labor were saying that he would rule the state if Newman won and it turned out that the LNP were not going to be puppets.
      Given labor have been the puppets of the union, it was a refreshing change.
      But getting back to my central point, employment has gone up in qld in the productive side of the economy and down on the unproductive side. is this a good thing or is it bad?

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:49PM
  • Surely the time has come to adjust the PM pension package. PM's should only be entitled to the PM pension golden handshakes/snout in trough if they have been elected twice. That would remove some of the backstabbers like Keating, Rudd and Gillard from the payroll

    Commenter
    Taxpayer
    Location
    everywhere
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 11:57AM
    • And Abbott. :-)

      Commenter
      Casa
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:17PM
  • I wonder if all the ALP staffers on this blog will wipe this exercise from their CVs?

    Commenter
    Taxpayer
    Location
    everywhere
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 11:53AM
    • Shhh !

      Commenter
      Don't
      Location
      Tell
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:21PM
    • Typical LNP comment.

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:28PM
    • Wish I were an ALP staffer...least then I would be paid for spending so much time here. Believe me, I have much nicer things to do, such as sipping a cappuccino (not a latte or chardonnay girl myself) on the deck of my waterfront house. But instead I'm trying to help those less fortunate than me by encouraging people not to vote for the Coalition. Silly me....

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:34PM
    • Passionfruit, and its working too, I'm seriously thinking of changing my vote.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:53PM
    • Very silly indeed Passionfruit.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:14PM
  • The Abbott cheer squad are in a "Rage".

    Over Abbott's cracks.

    Or was it Bishops (the younger).

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 11:53AM
  • It's becoming very clear now that there will be a change of Government on Saturday. Some of us will be very happy, others not so happy. That's politics I guess.

    What is also becoming clear is that the ALP will find itself in the wilderness as it has in NSW and QLD and there ability to be competitive as a political force in the future will be in the balance.

    The last 6 years has essentially been the "great union experiment" with the ALP toeing the line of the unions in gratitude for the anti-workchoices scare campaign. The Australian public is about to pass a fail judgement on that experiment.

    My opinion is that a competitive ALP is a good thing, but to become so, they really need to progress into the 21st century and break their dependence and subservience to the unions.

    Time will tell if that will or wont happen. If it doesn't, the ALP may never regain power and the time will have arrived for a new social democratic party to fill the void.

    Commenter
    Alternate View
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 11:52AM
    • one thing I am sure of.....Australians will never let an extreme neocon govt take hold in this country...we are a big majority bunch of employees who will never let the minority rich business owners take control and treat their workers as slaves....any LNP govt who try that on will get sent packing quick smart....Labor are not done with in this country ever....

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:12PM
    • Anti-WorkChoices campaign?

      You are aware that WorkChoices is effectively giving us the American system of allowing employers to fire employees with no reason, right?

      If you undermine workers (and I'm not just talking about union workers) then eventually the loss of conditions will affect every one of us - even the talented skilled ones.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:18PM
  • Ok now it starts to get nasty... no I’m not talking about the political adds but about the bloodletting that the labor party is about to enter in to. If you thought the Rudd/Gillard stabbings and all the hate that the 2 factions have for each other was bad... wait till 8 pm on election night. You will see the most undignified spilling of blood in a long, long time. Speaking of elections you can see the look of desperation on all the government MP’s. They know, through their own private polling, that there is going to be up to a 15% swing against some of their seats. In the end it’s probably the best thing to happen for them as their house is just so split. Time to pick a margin. I say labor will only have around 58 seats. Oh and how’s the Julia by 10 seats looking now. Can a person die from laughter?
    and they thought they could get away with stabbing a sitting Prime Minister...twice

    Commenter
    Brettie
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 11:42AM
    • Another guesswork "Comment" from the Abbott cheer squad.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:50AM
    • Guesswork "comment", J. Fraser ?. Gillard to win with a 10 seat majority wasn't a guess then. Your credibility went down the toilet some months ago...but still you are here expecting all to benefit from your words of wisdom, your little witticisms, such as they are. You are much like Rudd..fighting the battle till the end..well done.

      Commenter
      thereisnoyouinLabor
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:42PM
    • A bit like your "guesswork comment" about a 10-seat Gillard victory? How's that going, by the way?

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:49PM
  • JFraser mmm words do not describe what you have been writing for the last 30 days and probably longer. Deriding those with views that are not your own is demeaning and full of falsehoods.

    Were you deriding News Corp. the last two elections that more than likely favoured your view. I bet not.
    Were you deriding the Labor party in 2007 and 2010 when they did not release their financial figures until after the blackout period had commenced. I think not.

    So of this is that case then riding so high on a horse will ensure a big tumble.

    Commenter
    ExecutiveBriefing
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 11:37AM
  • I see Kevin is still using the RAAF jet for his campaigning even though tax payer funding stops once you launch your official campaign.....

    Commenter
    Isenz
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 11:34AM
  • Does anyone think that there is still time for the ALP primary vote to get down to 29% before Saturday? A bit of a challenge 4 % still to go. Bird among the pigeons any takers?

    Commenter
    Fred
    Location
    Bloggs
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 11:30AM
    • That would be the ultimate irony, but probably a long shot.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:37AM
    • The 29% club are seriously considering getting the old band back together for a Farwell tour...

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:51AM
    • Maybe not 29% but once you start getting very close, the Senate comes into play.
      I can hear the greens crying...no this is not democary!! I think it is. The people will decide who they don't want and how badly they don't want them.

      Commenter
      Brettie
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:58AM
  • Well, less than 6 days to go and we get our country back. All the paid Labor trolls can stop the bleating, pack up their keyboards, stop the lies and their airing of their infantile opinions and toddle off into the sunset. Labor is going into opposition for a generation. You will have plenty of time to consider the error of your ways and get a handle on where it went wrong. Have a good hard think on why your lies and views don't resonate with real people. Aspirational voters want something better than the Labor-Greens mantra of punishing success and rewarding failure. All the latte-sipping, chardonnay socialists sitting around the inner suburbs with doubtless stick to their deluded fantasies. For this reason, it is unlikely that real people will relate to Labor-Greens for a long, long time to come.

    Commenter
    pendragon0500
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 11:26AM
    • Fine, latte and chardonnay are just lovely liquids to keep sipping....hope you slip along to your delusional cocoon easily after sat and stay there for 3 years just talking to your fellow real people....fine with me

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:36AM
    • If the LNP get in, they'll get one term max.

      It will be hell for 3 years, but it will demonstrate that you don't miss what you've got until it's gone.

      I look forward to the comedy festival when Abbott does his first international meeting. Maybe he can bring Hockey along with him. I'll p*ss myself laughing. Pity Costello is not around, we could have on the international stage ... Abbott and Costello! (for those old enough to remember).

      Commenter
      Casa
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:33PM
  • Since the start of the campaign Fairfax has cried foul against Murdoch papers for being biased, the opening of the final week of the campaign and the tone of Fairfax has changed. Even the politifacts guy is writing his own opinion pieces. Just like Krudd opening the elections calling for the end of the negativity then turning on the negativity when the polls look bad, no Fairfax do the same. Tarred with the same brush I feel

    Commenter
    bretho
    Location
    HK
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 11:23AM
  • I predict a very desperate week in Canberra and an equally desperate one right here in blogland!
    No doubt some tempers will fray............

    Commenter
    liklik
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 11:20AM
  • Did anyone here hear the crack about "Baddies vs Baddies".

    How about the one about "dumbing" down education ?

    Any sign of Bishop (the younger) .... the cracks around Abbott are starting to show.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 11:13AM
    • It was a great line and a correct one.

      All world leaders are using the word "bad" in reference to Syria, are they supposedly dumb also?

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:16AM
    • J Fraser don't you have to zip to watch Kev take a few selfies with the folk from the ALP?

      Commenter
      NeoCon II
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:18AM
    • If her appearance as a host on Rage was anything to go by, I don't hold much hope as a FA Minister. Seriously she was as entertaining as a wet paper towel.
      Albo was pretty cool and had the best choices, Bandt also relaxed and natural.
      Julie just couldn't get it, contrived and plastic.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:27AM
    • NeoCon, Frase wouldn't understand your quip, he still thinks that 'selfies' are a breed of dogs.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:29AM
    • @"Alternate View"

      Are you a poodle.

      Or a lap dog.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:31AM
    • Perfectly reasonable explanation that both sides in the Syrian conflict are on the nose. Is that the best you've got?

      Commenter
      Oh Dear
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:33AM
    • Yes ACG, because how entertaining you are determines your worthiness as a minister.

      Commenter
      adrian
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:38AM
    • Is that all you have got J Fraser - oh well only 5 more sleeps to go until the ALP will be gonski >>>

      Commenter
      Baltic13
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:40AM
    • Country Gal - I couldn't sleep Satruday night and watched about 15 minutes of Rage - Albo played New London by Billy Bragg, Adam Bandt played a Gotye song ( I can't remember the title) and Bishop played Unchained Melody and I will always love you - I think it says it all.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:41AM
    • Not being into personality cults ACP, I will refrain from letting a person's performance as a VJ influence me on their ability to be a minister of the next government of this great country. But given the ALP and Green campaigns to date I can see you have to clutch at whatever straws you can find.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:41AM
    • "Fair shake of the sauce bottle" (Sic) J Fray, I don't see why you are trying to make a "S#!t storm" (Sic) out of Abbott using language, on national TV that people could understand. He was talking to Australians about his reasoning. It's not like he went to Copenhagen and called the Chinese *ehhm* "Rat chuckers" (fully Sic)

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:45AM
    • J. Fraser. You show your true talents when you personally attack me.

      I love posting against you. You are just too much fun.

      By the way the Greens are a spent political force.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:01PM
    • J. Fraser "the cracks around Abbott are starting to show"

      Wrong Frase, . it was the cracks around Kev at the Melbourne fruit market that were shown.

      Commenter
      peteract
      Location
      Gold Coast
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:17PM
  • Interesting to see Rudd emulating Abbott's dress code at yesterday's campaign wake (launch)- dark suit, white shirt and blue tie.

    Perhaps he thinks if he copies Abbott's dress code people will think he at least looks like a winner.

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 11:05AM
    • You could dress the same way ... and still no one would say that about you.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:15AM
    • He went for Howard-lite in 2007, being himself hasn't worked, trying for Abbott-lite in 2013 perhaps?

      Commenter
      adrian
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:40AM
  • Has anyone else noticed that Abbott's daily campaign press conferences, don't actual amount to much other than introducing the local member and/or repeating what he has already announced. He gets the media there like it's an announcement but it just turns into a unpaid political advertising stunt occurring 2-3 times a daily. Multiply this by Abbott's front bench doing the same.

    Commenter
    Tim
    Location
    InnerCity
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 11:04AM
    • Every journo has praised the Coalition for running a very tight, well managed and error free campaign.

      Labor have run a chaotic, dysfunctional and error prone campaign.

      Hmmmmmm..........

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:21AM
  • 9.57 am Tony Abbott photo - the real Tony Abbott is emerging.

    Commenter
    Sharron
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 11:03AM
    • Not sure why you would want to post a photograph of someone half way through a blink - we all look sinister in those photos.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:11AM
    • Mr Abbott is the real deal and the coalition are not bighted with dysfunction. The ALP's immediate cohesiveness is a temporary necesity. Check them out in a month.

      Commenter
      PDJ
      Location
      Hi Sharron
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:15AM
    • No, Abbott is not half way through a blink and is most likely just about to say "shit happens" or "badies vs badies" or the "burqa is confronting".

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:15AM
    • Shar(r)on you have a surplus of letters but when is your government going to deliver a budget surplus?

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:32AM
  • Take Joseph Stiglitz with a huge grain of salt. Stiglitz is a well known tax and spend progressive left booster. Last I heard of him was when he was writing many many similar articles for the Obama campaign in 2012. He is as independent as Ross Gittins or Kenneth Davidson.

    Commenter
    NeoCon II
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 11:01AM
    • OK NeoConII - Instead of questioning Stiglitz's credibility how about you counter his argument?
      Should Australia have been runnning surpluses over the past few years?
      Is our debt actually bad?
      Is our economy actually in bad shape?
      And after all Abbott's scaremongering about debt and deficit how is he going to improve the situation?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:12AM
    • Short answer yes. $1 spent by private sector is a lot more productive than the same $1 spent by the government. Why? Because the government does not need to make money and therefore does not have an incentive to control costs. Simple really. So leave $300 billion in private hands and the economy will do much, much better. Do some research on the polish economy, one of the few governments not to splurge on deficit spending this GFC.

      Commenter
      NeoCon II
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:24AM
    • Neo Con II - The govt spending that $300b when the private sector stopped spending was putting it into private hands - the $900 stimulous payments was putting money into private hands!

      So what did you want to happen - the govt to slash taxes dramatically? Are you a fan of the discredited laffer curve?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:44AM
    • neocon policies created the GFC in the first place....the more neocon controlled govts and nations suffered the worst in the GFC...notice how the Scandinavian countries and Australia came thru OK.....if you want to live in a neocon country I suggest you move to the US because Australians will never let Tony Abbott turn it into a neocon country.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:48AM
    • Neo Con II - Do you want the govt to run a surplus? If so isn't that taking money out of private hands?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:48AM
    • Macca, yes, the vital signs of our economy are 'very soft' at best. When the RBA cuts rates repeatedly to try to get people to spend, and it doesn't work, you know the fundamentals are wrong (eg. business confidence poor = less employing = less employee job security = less consumer confidence). Labor says "our debt versus GDP is low compared with other countries. That may be true, but once upon a time Greece, UK, USA, Spain, Italy & Portugal all our our current debt to GDP ratio. We are entering a period trade tightening (lead my mining) and we have no reserves for this "rainy day"... we spend the piggy bank and a truck load more in the good times.

      Commenter
      brenton
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:52AM
    • Not if you cut government spending. It is true that the $900 bonuses went into the private economy but not in a efficient way. If a business person spends $900 it is productively used, invested into the business, often employing somone. If $900 is spent by a punter on a TV, that is not necessarily the best possible use of the money. The other thing is that government is "sticky". What that means is that when money goes though government hands a lot of it is lost through churning. Eg a tax raises $10bn, but costs $2.5 bn to collect, an then another $1 bn to distribute, so the recipients of the tax transfer get $6.5 bn.

      Commenter
      NeoCon II
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:34PM
    • Neo Con II - So which govt services do you want cut?

      And the $900 didn't go to into the economy in an efficient way? It went straight to the consumer, that is the exact same way a tax cut would work?

      And when Howard and Costello were racking up all those surpluses why weren't you criticising them for destroying the economy?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:12PM
  • Are you LNP voters going to vote for an Abbott government when you have no idea what is going to be axed, cut, taken from you, or whatever term you like to give Abbott's slashes?

    Why are you going to blindly follow Tony Abbott when you don't know what he is going to do?

    So far the the drones are axed, he is reviewing the JSF, what is next?

    Are you LNP voters happy that defence is going to be slashed just to cater for a baby bonus?

    Commenter
    Sharron
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 11:00AM
    • Defence has already been slashed. We at currently at the lowest level of defence spending per GDP since before the Second World War. Rudd's infamous 2009 White paper specified that 1.5% was the minimum required to maintain current personnel, equipment and operations, without any major replacements. We are well below that - 1.39 or 1.35%, I think. And this is in spite of allegedly having a healthy economy (or so the ALP and fellow travellers would have us believe).

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:10AM
    • Tim - Why do we need to increase defence spending as a proportion of GDP? (other than the US telling us to so we can propr up their defence contractors)

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:14AM
    • We have a huge coastline to protect. I'm not talking about asylum seekers here. I'm talking about illegal fishing, cross-border trafficking of firearms and drugs, protecting against interference with offshore resource installations, environmental surveillance, etc. I'm talking about the stuff that happens every day for the ADF and Coastwatch. These are just some of the reasons for increasing the defence budget - if only to ensure that the stuff we're using at the moment can be replaced in the future.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:26AM
    • Macca: "other than the US telling us to so we can prop up their defence contractors"

      Just so you know, the Army's latest attack helicopter is not American. It is the Eurocopter Tiger, produced by a consortium of French and German aviation companies.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:31AM
    • Are you Labor votoers still going to vote Labor even though you don't know who your leader might be from one year to the next?

      Hardly a ringing endorsement to the public of Australia to say we have done such a good job over the last 6 years that we knifed two sitting Prime Ministers!!

      Doesn't exactly send the message of unity.

      Commenter
      Smokin Mo
      Location
      Ryde
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:41AM
    • I'd prefer a government that lives within its means, not one that spends future tax payers' money. That's why the ALP Government must go.

      Commenter
      Jonathan C
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:42AM
    • Tim - Yes we have a huge coastline but that doesn't mena we need to link defence spedning to GDP - after all if we go into recession it could turn out that we could cut defence spending but increase it as a proportion of GDP.

      It's best to figure out what we need to defend our country and then find the most cost eddcetive way of doing it, not to allocate a bundle of money and say "find a way of spending this"

      Oh and 1 helicopter is european - look up how much of our defence acquistions is spent in US companies.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:53AM
    • Jonathan C, the Liberals are proposing to spend more than Labor. After Costello left, the Liberals were left with no one with any economic credibility. If you are voting Liberal for economic credibility, then you're in dream land.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:02PM
  • Alternate View

    In 2012 China spent $109.8 billion on green energy. The USA despite its financial woes invested $35 billion. India has set aside US$7.9 billion to facilitate the flow of renewable energy into its electricity grid. In 2011 India produced 162 billion KWh through green energy compared to Australia’s 29 billion KWh. China 797 billion KWh, and the USA 520 billion KWh. Canada of similar size and population to that of Australia produced 399 billion KWh. Australia being the greatest producer of Co2 per capita is so far down the list of green energy producing countries it is embarrassing.

    While the rest of the world is investing hundreds of billions of dollars on green energy to fight climate change, we in Australia have been systematically made paranoid to believe the carbon tax is the worst of all evils. But our GDP is around 1.3-1.5 trillion dollars, the carbon tax is a miniscule 0.26 - 0.3% of this. So ask yourself, why has Abbott built his entire campaign around resisting an expenditure of little consequence? There is only one answer: the carbon tax represents the thin end of the wedge for those who hold power in the coal industry.

    By the way, if you bothered to check the facts before writing you would understand that the world aluminium price is substantially less today than it was in 1989.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 10:57AM
    • Fact checking is not one of the Abbott cheer squads better traits.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:04AM
    • Australia does NOT have the highest CO2 emissions per capita and has not done so for several years. You accuse others of lying, but you should perhaps look inwards yourself.

      And of course the use of the "per capita" measure is also a deliberate attempt to deceive the Australian public that we are some sort of significant problem in climate change. We aren't. At 1.4% of the world's total CO2 emissions, even the commitments of both major political parties to reduce emissions by 5% by 2020 would, if it happened (and it's not) reduce our contribution to 1.33%. Of course, even that is nonsense because the GROWTH in world CO2 emissions will reduce the proportion that Australia's emissions will be in world terms by far more than that by 2020.

      Pen, you are peddling the Greens lies and by doing so, destroy any credibility that you tried to establish.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:14AM
    • Alternate View

      Our coal production alone this year of 414 million tones produced 1.184 billion tonnes of Co2. Divide by 23 million 51 tonnes per capita? China's average emissions of CO2 is to 7.2 tonnes per capita.

      You were saying?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:38PM
  • Dan Harrison has this :

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/tony-abbott-retreats-from-drones-pledge-in-defence-policy-20130902-2szov.html

    More Abbott money to spend on buying boats.

    Abbott is sinking ... call Murdoch.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 10:53AM
    • Fraser
      With the money you and the other rusted ons are likely to be able to make this Saturday (What is Sportsbet quoting on ALP at this stage? a million to one?) you are going to have to change allegiance so that Tony can protect and build on your new found wealth.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:56AM
  • Can any of you LNP people tell us if the JSF project is going to be axed?

    What else is Abbott going to axe?

    Hacka, SteveH?

    Commenter
    Sharron
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 10:53AM
    • I for one would hope that we DO axe the JSF programme...

      That is one US programme that seems to have gone off the rails comprehensively and we would probably be better with proven designs.

      We should buy "off the shelf" submarines as well.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:03AM
    • In actual fact the JSF is not off the rails.

      Please go and do some research.

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:12AM
    • Not sure about JSF Sharron, but in terms of what's being axed, government waste will be high up the list.

      Tell us - do you think we should keep living way beyond our means as a nation ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:17AM
    • Oh really? So we have them already, on time and one budget?

      Don't make me laugh.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:18AM
  • Does anyone realise if we have Peter Costello to do an independent audit of the govt finances...Australia will have Abbott and Costello running the joint? Should make great comedy.

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 10:49AM
    • An unelected offical making big recommendations

      Commenter
      Jitterry
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:08AM
    • I dont recommend Gonski or Henry being voted for. That is the point. You get the advice and recommendations from the experienced experts in their fields.
      A successful ex-treasurer is such an expert and I forgive them for not inviting Paul.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:09PM
    • Sorry, I dont REMEMBER Gonski or Henry...
      Too much excitement today reuminating on what next for Big Kev. Will be big. Remember, he is here to help.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:37PM
  • Don't worry about your detractors Tony just prove them wrong and that you are in the job for the right reasons. Make a good long term PM and occupy the role in humility. Govern well and fairly.

    Commenter
    Optimist
    Location
    Cheers
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 10:38AM
    • Optimist
      Well, all I can say is..... a really well chosen screen name....

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:58AM
    • "humility" isn't in Abbotts dictionary. That continual smirk tells it as it is.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:59AM
    • @"Optimist"

      A fairy tale.

      "Blockhead Hans".

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:00AM
    • Looking forward to Saturday folks are you?

      Commenter
      Optimist
      Location
      Cheers
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:06AM
    • yes I am optimist...the laughs, jokes, lunacy, dysfunction will just be getting going.......look out for the Pyne, Mirrabella, Joyce clangers........more suppositories of wisdom from Abbott......lots of 'what do I have to do again...oh numbers what are they? from Hockey. Its going to make the last 3 years look boring....

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:17AM
    • Yep, I am. Party time.

      1975 Revisited.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:19AM
    • Saturday will be out of the frying pan and into the fire. Just remember who you voted for when Australia goes into recession and you don't have a job.

      Commenter
      Casa
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:43PM
  • "Proposals for substantial budget cuts seem particularly misplaced at this time given that Australia's economy is confronting new global challenges. Commodity prices are softening and growth is slowing in many key export markets. Australia is already facing declining mining investment. The slowdown in economic growth is not the result of flaws in government policy, but of an adverse external environment. It would be a crime to compound these problems with domestic policy mistakes" (Joseph Stiglitz).

    Someone who actually understands what he is discussing. Take heed the fools and horses.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 10:37AM
    • Yes, overseas economists have a real grasp on the Australian economy don't they?

      After all they called Wayne Swan the "best treasurer" didn't they?

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:00AM
    • They obviously know a smidge more than you alternate view......those pesky economists who are apolitical and tell it like it is.....with no propaganda

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:04AM
    • the only mistake Wayne Swan made was to try to pander to populists like you alternate view.....the biggest mistake Labor has made in the last 3 years......

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:07AM
    • We do Pen!

      Commenter
      Optimist
      Location
      Cheers
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:11AM
    • You so-called apolitical economist is far from apolitical in this case.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:20AM
    • Find me an apolitical economist. Check out this guy's history! A more partisan economist couldn't be found for the rusted ons.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:11PM
    • OK you lot now explain where the facts, that is the facts, are wrong. Come on you genius' tell us how things are actually different from the facts above?

      I await with bated breath.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:43PM
  • The Pulse @ 10:28 AM

    Appears a little incredulous.

    Still .... points must go to Fairfax Media for publishing a Nobel prize winners article.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 10:34AM
  • In Rudd's campaign launch speech there was absolutely no mention of the northern tax zone, the very fast train, nor the naval base move to Brisbane. These were very big announcements & yet they seem to have been discarded just like that. Not that I'm complaining, mind you. Just hoping Abbott does the same with his PPL & boat buy back plans as well.

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 10:31AM
    • PPL will get through the Senate but will be watered down. Forget the boat buybacks - it will never happen. The Coalition have enough other planks in the policy to deal with people smugglers.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:54AM
    • How will PPL get watered down in the Senate when the Greens are backing it? Coalition senators themselves will water it down perhaps?

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:44AM
  • In 2010 Joseph Stiglitz was sponsored to come to Australia during the election campaign. He was here to declare that Labor saved Australia from the GFC, among other speaking engagements.
    You won’t believe who is writing an article for Fairfax today? It’s our old mate Joe. You won’t guess what he is writing about? It’s the pretty much the same story, government intervention (read Labor) saved us from the GFC, and it’s not so bad because we do not have youth unemployment at 50% like Spain so lighten up. Oh and... *cough* vote Labor..

    Here is the 2010 story
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/labor-saved-australia-nobel-laureate-stiglitz-20100806-11lkq.html

    Here is today’s story.
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/australia-you-dont-know-how-good-youve-got-it-20130901-2sytb.html

    May as well copy and paste this story to be used at the 2016 election to save time.

    Commenter
    Cwitty
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 10:30AM
    • Doesn't mean he is wrong!

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:54AM
    • That's the same Joseph Stiglitz that also advised the government in the design of their 2nd stimlus. The one that is still handing out $900 cheques.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:40AM
    • Lewis - What would of happened to consuer spenidng if those cheques hand't gone out?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:54AM
    • Macca, consumer spending would have taken a hit then & we would be in recovery now instead of several years worth of consumer spending being brought forward then only for it taking a hit now.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:34PM
    • Ah yes, the ever popular old 'Ruddard saved us from the GFC' refrain.

      But you never see any actual EVIDENCE to back up the claim do you.

      But even more strangely is the fact that we don't hear the EVIDENCE that the stimulus had nothing to do with avoiding the GFC

      http://equella.rcs.griffith.edu.au/research/file/055c468c-8ef7-9a9e-7ec2-bd76df858ae5/1/2010-08-did-fiscal-stimulus-counter-recession-evidence-from-the-national-accounts.pdf

      See also politifact

      http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o-meter/article/2013/sep/01/did-labor-save-us-gfc-part-ii-riposte/

      Here's a sample "However this claim is at odds with a body of peer reviewed economics literature published over recent years showing it was not fiscal stimulus that prevented a technical recession, but a combination of other macroeconomic factors".

      Commenter
      Bakayarou
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:56PM
    • Lewsi - There is some very good modelling out there that shows once that hit was taken, and unemploymetn rose the road to recovery takes a very long time, we would still not be back to where we are now.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:33PM
    • Macca, but it would be sustainable and not leave future generations to pay for it. The recovery would be a true correction then. The stimulus did not solve anything. All it did was sweep under the carpet everything wrong that caused the GFC in the first place. Keating was actually right when he said "the reccession that Australia had to have".

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:06PM
  • How can the most devisive, dysfunctional opposition leader in our history suddenly become a competent leader of this country? He had the very chance to be PM 3 years ago and even begged and got gravel rash....but his personality and character were not considered worthy of the title of leader. One more week till Tony starts moving chairs around on the Titanic!

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 10:24AM
    • Murdoch + Abbott.

      "Baddies vs Baddies".

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:40AM
    • Gee. I don't know. Who's he up against? ..oh right.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:47AM
    • The only chairs that were moved around on the Titanic were those at the ALP campaign launch.

      Seriously, the negative campaign about Tony Abbott by the ALP rusted ons, is so hypocritical and pathetic. What happened to KRudd's edict of "positivity?" No sign of it...

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:47AM
    • Yes, it's bizarre JT. But maybe every country needs a GWB moment? The kind of suppository that will make people appreciate Labor again.

      I note that Abbott is trying to create nostalgia for the Howard years. Even had a slip of the tongue this morning and said, in the first term of a Howa... government. Interesting psychology actually. Humans are always nostalgic for some mythical past, no matter what the reality was. Heck, I have a horrible feeling that even this Howard-hater will look at Howard more fondly when compared to Abbott!? Hmm, maybe not. Just remembering all the bad stuff....

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:49AM
    • The Titanic looks like it's about to sink Saturday thank goodness ! The Labor party can only blame itself JT. 2 deposed prime ministers is desperation politics at work. The ALP has had a fair crack of the whip 6 years of government. I'm glad that the PM trusts the electors of Griffiths to make their choice Saturday because so do I.
      Cheers.

      Commenter
      Opto
      Location
      Hi 5 Sleeps
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:49AM
  • About the only stunt Rudd hasn't tried yet is 'twerking'

    But there's still five days to go,
    come on Kevie you can do it!.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 10:20AM
    • Find a tyre to jump into.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:43AM
    • SteveH - you comments about asset sales under NSW Labor made it into Saturday's Canberra Times where a snapshot of online comments from last week was posted. You multi-media megastar.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:51AM
    • You mean like the tyres that the ADF use for training? Typical Left, nothing but hatred and vitriol for those who put their lives on the line for this country and its ungrateful inhabitants.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:54AM
    • Hacka, really, wow, now thats a disturbing development.

      If people like me are being taken seriously, then the country really has gone to the dogs.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:22AM
    • SteveH - the Canberra Times is taking the ALP seriously if that's any guide.

      Their editorials are begging voters to support Labor (which they have done for 30 years here anyway). Coalition = ACT recession they're screaming.

      Do you reckon Fraser is standing strong on the 10 seat ALP victory prediction ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:01PM
    • @ Hacka & SteveH - is Fraser's prediction still valid given the original "jockey" was "disqualified" from the race? ;)

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:45PM
    • 'Begging' you say, how undignified, they should demand people to do what they want. Thats how you get results.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:47PM
  • 9.57 " Hmmmm, what's that Mr Roskam, getting closer to completing the 75 point wish list"?
    Now where am I going to moor the Indonesian fishing fleet?
    How am I going to get those trees planted?
    That suppository of wisdom isn't happening, I can't remember what else to promise to get those suckers to vote for me.

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 10:19AM
  • Sportsbet

    Today

    Coalition - $1.01

    Labor - $ 17.00 - yesterday $12.50 -

    Commenter
    Louis Cypher
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 10:18AM
    • Yes, no Liberal needs to be here. You've won. It's a definite. You may as well get back to work and leave the rest of us alone.

      Commenter
      Bob
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:41AM
    • Abbott today .... no costings.

      Abbott yesterday ... no costings.

      Abbott tomorrow .... no costings.

      "Lois Cypher" everyday nothing !

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:41AM
    • JFraser, how's your "Rudd by 13 seats" going for you?

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:52AM
    • From what the Coalition have stated. They will release their costings further out than Labor at the last 2 elections.

      Oh wait.... typical Labor... they can do whatever they want, but whinge and b*tch when Coalition do any similar to their own ways

      Same old, same old

      Commenter
      the_donge
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:19AM
  • A tiny movement in favour of the Greens of 1%? There you have it folks only 1% of the electorate is beginning to think.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 10:17AM
    • LOL Pen.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:52AM
  • If Abbott cannot work out how the Bigbird works how can he lay golden eggs?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 10:15AM
  • Thank you Stephanie.

    Commenter
    Sharron
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 10:14AM
  • So every expert agrees that a Labor government is a better government but the majority of us are thinking of voting in a government with uncosted promises, hints at cutting unspecified "waste", and who believe that cutting a carbon tax (already proposed by the ALP), will double our current full time work capacity, who will boost Asia's economy by buying all their boats and sending our students to inferior universities there.
    We are about to vote in less security in education, more unemployment and less social services. We are about to vote in a plan to make small business more vulnerable, a widening between rich and poor. I don't get it.

    Commenter
    Confused
    Location
    Victoria
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 10:14AM
    • I don't get it either, except that Australians are one of the highest takers of mind numbing anti depressants in the world. Can't think of any logical reason one would vote for Abbott.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:38AM
    • I know, it is so sad that the general population are stupid.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:43AM
    • Tone

      geez, a lot of depth behind that statement!

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:16AM
    • Yeah yeah, anyone who doesn't share your views is "stupid". We've heard it all before. Maybe Labor and it's supporters need to look at the real reasons why they're so unpopular and stop pursuing conspiracy theories.

      Commenter
      adrian
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:19AM
    • Tone

      And further, how many of your friends, family and acquaintances are 'stupid'?

      And, would you call them out, if not for the anonymity of this thread.

      Think about it, and you may realise the stupidity of your original comment

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:19AM
    • The general population are stupid. I wasn't the one to coin the phrase. Basically, most people can be specialists, brainiacs, geniuses in their own field but as soon as they join the general population, they're as stupid as the rest of us.

      Have no doubt about it, there are smart people on both sides of politics, but as for the general population, my statement stands.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:23PM
    • Tone's

      I pleased that you included yourself as a stupid person.

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:21PM
    • You would be $keptic, but you're included in there too.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:47PM
  • Disbelief that Rudd expects his hypocrisy to lure voters. The ironic 'New Way' slogan after 6 years, a higher-than-mighty departure from the politics he applied to his own party, risky "I believe" brain-snap decisions (leadership) that destroyed his first term and now his campaign - and endless, rightous, baseless waffle-as-fact

    Commenter
    AGC
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 10:03AM
    • @"AGC"

      Belief that Abbott has no idea.

      Apparently Cardinal Pell has plenty :

      http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/church-lobby-in-win-over-charities-watchdog-20130831-2sxqs.html

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:37AM
  • @9.33a.m. photo - Tony really loves hopping into the "Big Boys Toys" doesn't he? I do worry though that he might accidentally flick a switch & the thing takes off!!

    Commenter
    Rosie
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 10:03AM
    • No more than Kevvy aka "Captain Obvious" did at Williamstown Dockyard last week. "Wow, that's a big piece of kit, it's huge" or an exclamation to that effect...

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:22AM
    • If only?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:28AM
  • John Howard took Australia into war and introduced the GST.

    Bob Hawke was a better PM than John Howard. I wonder how Mr Howard's knees are these days after crawling after the Americans for so long.

    Commenter
    Sharron
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 10:01AM
    • Oh Shar(r)on of the unnecessary letters. You seem a bit agitated this morning. I can only assume you work for the Department of Lies and Carbon Taxes and you are right to be worried about life you've carved for yourself on the taxpayers teat. But don't worry, you can take one of the gold-plated coffee machines and heck we'll throw in the $100,000 office chair as well.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:16AM
    • No mention of Gillard's fawning over Obama or establishing a US base in Darwin?

      Commenter
      adrian
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:20AM
    • Hang on, what happened in 1991 with the first Gulf War? You know, the Kuwait invasion by Iraq? When we had Auistralian troops and ships committed? Wasn't that when Hawke was PM?

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:25AM
    • So what' s your point Sharron, As for the war in Iraq the Govt of the day acted upon advice they received and supported their Allies. Even Rudd at the time also said that Saddam had weapons of destruction so Labor supported the action taken.
      Mr Rudd, said on 15 October 2002 "Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction.
      As for the GST as has been said many many times before yes Howard said no GST originally before 1996 when he was elected as PM but still took it to the Election in 1998 and said if re elected the GST would be introduced, Australian voters put him back into Government so therefore he did what he promised , introduced a GST and lets face it Keating wanted to do it years before but chickened out.

      Commenter
      deps
      Location
      Castle Hill
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:32AM
  • Now that they have finally launched their campaign, is Labor meeting the cost of the RAAF jet as Big Kev campaigns around the country?
    How about a vote for geting rid of the millions in travel that have been sucked up by all parties over the past four weeks and have all travel paid for by the parties the moments the writs are complete?

    Commenter
    dcs
    Location
    Brisbane
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 10:00AM
  • Right, so even The Economist endorses Labor, Nobel-winner Joseph Stiglitz says how well our economy is going, the cost of living rose slower under Labor than under Howard, we avoided the awful recessions that most of the world got, the "awful" debt Labor incurred is a far, far smaller percentage of GDP than even another relatively strong country like Germany has (let alone countries like the US and UK)....

    Coalition and media claims of Labor doing badly on the economy: PANTS ON FIRE

    If the Libs were in power during the GFC, we'd have been in recession bigtime. Easy to nitpick after the fact.

    Commenter
    Arky
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 9:59AM
    • More leftist nonsense. The GFC was never going to affect Australia like the USA and Europe due to China's influence on our economy.
      The fact remains also that most of the so-called stimulus spending happened AFTER the main effects of the GFC has subsided.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:13AM
    • I would never call The Economist a leftist paper! Far from it. Some of their opinions have been called extreme right wing!

      Dream on Alternative View.

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:45AM
    • AV - Waht is the current unemployment rate in the USA or say Spain or Greece or Italy? What are the growth rates in Europe or the USA?
      When did the majority of Europe and the UK come out of recession?

      I think you wil find that if you lived anywhere else in the world the effects of the GFC are still being felt.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:47AM
  • I see Abbott is puzzled by the whirlybird.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 9:56AM
    • Damn, he's been caught moonlighting in another one of his night time jobs. Making ends meet is a b*tch when you're only on $300k for doing virtually nothing.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:06AM
    • Wish it would take off and never come back! Maybe a nice trip to Syria? While I'm no fan of Turnbull, he could only be a vast improvement on the current offering. What this country needs is a visionary, progressive party and leader, particularly now. Currently that is closer to Labor, but in theory one could have a Liberal party of this sort. Still waiting....

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:15AM
    • Tone, I recall Abbott saying something about his mortgage in one of the debates. Being PM should help him pay it off more quickly. I know this might sound strange coming from a Labor voter, but I actually prefer the Rudd wealth. Least you know he isn't doing it for the money!

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:23AM
    • It would be hard for both you and I to be out there Pen with a camera on us 24/7 ? Fair comments now.

      Commenter
      Optimist
      Location
      Hi
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:22AM
  • Photo & Comment @ 9.33am - I imagine Tony will say the same thing about the Treasury benches.

    Commenter
    tasch2
    Location
    Mornington Peninsula
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 9:54AM
  • So the perceptive and judicious Australian electorate will hand the Coalition a mandate to govern on Saturday, although it still has no idea of Coalition costings? An electorate that apparently approves of Abbott’s trees x millions for climate change that will swing the climate tide by 2020, err:

    “To qualify as a "carbon forest", new forests must be planted on agricultural land cleared before 1990, the research explained. The land chosen must enable the trees to grow well, in other words in areas with sufficient rainfall, and the forests must remain in the ground for at least 100 years (CSIRO).

    Not forgetting its funding is $4 billion short, but Abbott will govern for all of us providing all do not believe in climate change?

    Apparently the electorate doesn’t want public funding for schools rather schools be run by local committees and not professional educationalists? Medicare will probably be privatised. There is no more use for green energy because climate change trees in 100 years will keep us cool? In the interim period there will be a massive increase in coal gas and oil use despite massively increasing atmospheric carbon with more new roads instead of trains.

    Nevertheless according to Abbott, “The price on carbon had caused enormous harm…”

    Yet the carbon price is less than 0.3 of 1% of GDP?

    Then there’s our unbiased media which has done a wonderful job preserving democracy:

    "It's a Ruddy Mess"

    "I know nuthink!" (featuring the PM)

    "Does this guy ever shut up"

    "Dear Leader" (featuring the PM as Kim Jong-Un)

    "Kick this mob out"

    These are in addition to the weekly diatribes of the Bolt Report?

    Obviously the competition between liar Rudd vs. liar Abbott is more important winning by the electorate than winning democracy by refusing to vote for liars?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 9:52AM
    • Pen you seem so troubled. Why then don't you join your chosen party and seek endorsement at the next election? If you gauge the response of others to be inadequate does that not compel you? Personally obviously we differ radically on many issues, nevertheless if you feel that you can get in there and make a difference why not?

      Commenter
      Optimist
      Location
      Hi
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:20AM
    • Voting for no-one is not a win for democracy Pen, it just makes you irrelevant and alone with your rage.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:20AM
    • Pen, you must have a lot of time to waste, that's for sure.

      As for the carbon price not doing any harm to our economy, you clearly have no idea whatsoever about the damage is has and is, doing.

      For example, we had one of the lowest cost Aluminium industries in the world..no longer.

      We had viable steel manufacturing, nope that's almost gone too.

      And of course householders and small businesses have been slugged with incredible energy and refrigeration cost increases not only due to the Carbon tax but also due to completely inefficient "green" power schemes.

      And for what? No emission reductions whatsoever. If it wasn't so serious, it would be a joke.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:27AM
    • Couldn't you have broken this up into 3 or 4 posts? It's pretty hard to digest as is and covers a lot of territory.

      I know what you're saying, however, and tend to agree.

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:40AM
    • Optimist

      Too late for me, dear Optimist my next big next move will be in a coffin. But I retain the wisdom of old age.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:44AM
    • dcs

      If you vote for Rudd you are voting for known liar. If you vote for Abbott you are voting for a known liar. Please explain how voting for liars is better than not voting for liars.

      Your argument is so absurd it begs belief that any rational person could not understand the error of reason.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:48AM
    • Pen
      Sometimes you have to make a balanced decision and choose from two unsavoury options when that is all that is presented. Tony Abbott spoke about facing such a challenge in Syria. Should he have just said "They are both baddies, we should ignore them"?

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:58AM
    • dcs

      but it is not all that is presented is it?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:16PM
  • Today's newspoll leaves no doubt whatsoever which way voter's "instincts" are leading them.

    After 6 years of grand rhetoric, abysmal failures, chronic government waste, party dysfunction, blame shifting and policy disasters, we are going to get the chance to end the Rudd/Gillard/Greens/Rudd experiment that has been the worst government in living memory and possibly the worst this country has ever seen.

    Roll on September 7

    Commenter
    Alternate View
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 9:42AM
    • the word 'worst' is purely relative.....you ain't seen 'worst govt ' yet...it is about to happen......

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:07AM
    • Then what?
      Is Abbott going to get us back into surplus any time soon?
      Will the terrible debt be repaid any quicker?
      Will low income workers be any better off?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:08AM
    • Newsflash: JT realises "worst" is a relative term.
      Comment was worst in living memory and possibly ever. Your belief that there is worse to come does not dispute these claims. It does however fit in with your party's supposition of doom and the scare campaign that has come with it.
      Roll on Saturday.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      5 more days
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:26AM
    • there you go dcs...your comment came after mine and was worse even still.....never mind if Tony gets in on next sat....I will have the time of my life for the next 3 years laughing very out loud at the ultimate lunacy of the govt and the comedy sketches overseas comedians will be doing taking off our politicians....bit like the Bushisms....we'll have Abbott and Costello.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:48AM
    • This is the worst Government hands down. Divisive, incompetent, spendthrift, meddling, demoralising, anti business/agriculture who have a constituency of people who make their living or existence off the hard work and enterprise of others.

      Commenter
      Blower
      Location
      Turac
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:04AM
    • Alternate
      Despite the Opposition rhetoric, we still have low inflation, low debt, low unemployment, low underemployment, AAA credit rating etc, etc, etc.
      Do you think you might have fallen for the opposition spin?

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:13AM
  • The Pulse @ 9:33 AM

    "Have I got my budgie smugglers on ?"

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 9:40AM
    • J.Fraser, did you watch the Labor launch and Rudd's swan song. I loved it when Rudd would pause waiting for applause and all that happened was a little ripple round the room. Or even worst when half the room did not know when to clap. There was one moment when the camera landed on Hawke who was not clapping when everybody around him was.
      The best part was when even his own grandchild would not go to him (kids are the best judges of character).
      Libs $1-01 Labor $16-00

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:13AM
  • Could Drs. Hacka and SteveH kindly explain to the voters exactly where Tony Abbott is planning to cut funding?

    Commenter
    Sharron
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 9:39AM
    • By writing "Funding" on some paper and taking the scissors to it. I imagine the same will happen with his real solutions.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 9:51AM
    • Hopefully he'll cut unnecessary extra letters from people's names Shar(r)on.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 9:55AM
    • Big Joe released a statement last week covering $31 billion in savings. Did you miss it ?

      It was quite newsworthy given the heads of Treasury and Finance felt the need to publicly rebuke the governments response to it.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 9:59AM
    • It's very confusing to me. I got the impression that the Coalition are not aiming to have a budget surplus before Labor. So debt and deficit are no problem after all!?! At the same time I keep hearing about Coaltion spending promises. So significant cuts are needed to keep the budgetary position from worsening. My feeling is that Labor should focus on hypocrisy and BAD cutting and spending decisions...the overall mix. Maybe too subtle? BUT taking from the more needy and giving to the less needy should resonate!!

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:02AM
    • Well, it looks like neither of you know what Tony Abbott plans to cut if he forms an Abbott government.

      Interesting, and does make you both look like sheep.

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:03AM
    • Dr Hacka,

      I did not ask about savings. What is Tony Abbott going to cut, which department is going to be moved to Gosford, and from which departments are the public servants going to be sacked?

      Or don't you know?

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:06AM
    • Nul(l)a that is the name my parents gave me.

      But your nastiness is typical of the LNP.

      First Hockey makes fun of people who stammer and now you LNP people make fun of people's names.

      What else would you expect from the LNP.

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:08AM
    • @ Sharron, here are some simple questions. Can you explain from where Kevvy is getting the money for all his uncosted promises - e.g. the Navy move, the brining-forward of the supply ship replacements, the NT tax cut, the Minister for Cities, and all the other pie-in-the-sky stuff? Can you explain how he'll tackle an increasing budget deficit? Why is it that all the real money for the major, big-ticket items is said to be coming beyond the forward estimates? Can you explain why the ALP got rid of Rudd in 2010, only to bring him back? If he was so toxic then, why is he so different now?

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:09AM
    • passionfruit......very hard to counter the effects of 6 years worth of propaganda brainwashing in a week......anyone with a brain knows (and did know) the budget deficit is what we needed to have in these economic conditions and also the person with a brain knows that Tony will turn thinking around to his benefit in saying under an LNP govt the deficit is all A OK.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:10AM
    • Hacka - Anyone can list off "savings" unitl we see how those savings are calculated they are meainingless.

      Plus even if you take all the $31b and add the supposed previoulsy announced $17b (both figures are contested by independant analysts) Hockey is still about $5b short of simply getting the same deficits the ALP has promised.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:11AM
    • Sharron - i wouldn't have a clue which Depts will be affected.

      The Canberra Times reported on Saturday that ACT would enter a recession if the Coalition wins, so it looks like that will happen on Monday if the polls are correct.

      By the way are you aware of all the Public Service cutbacks that are already happening under Labor ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:35AM
    • Wise comment JT! All makes sense to me. Debt and deficit under Labor bad, debt and deficit under Coalition good; low interest rates under Labor bad, low interest rates under Coalition good.

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:40AM
    • Hacka
      Joe announced ACCRUED savings.
      Whee are the real savings?

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:05AM
    • Steve - would you like a debate about accounting standards ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:48AM
  • What and where are the Australian voters going to expect Tony Abbott's cuts?

    Commenter
    Sharron
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 9:36AM
    • Sounding like a scratched record... why not try something different Sharron?

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:55AM
  • With 44 voting tickets on the NSW ballot paper here is a tip:

    "Y" vote Liberal when you can dial "M" for Labor.
    "R" we Green or "AR" we One Nation?"
    "I" might Wikileak but Fred Nile has a "L" of a Party.

    Good luck finding your party on the NSW Senate ballot paper.

    Commenter
    Vulture
    Location
    Gladesville
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 9:36AM
  • When are Labor going to learn basic maths? Reports are that Rudd will offer a tax write off ($3,000) for purchases up to $10,000 for the estimated 3.2 million small businesses with turnover of less than 2 million and will only cost an extra $200 million over 4 years which with the current tax write offs will cost $4.6BILLION. My calculations are that if all the estimated 3.2 million small businesses took that up it would cost $9.6 Billion.
    3,200,000 (3.2 million) x 10,000 = 32,000,000,000 (32 Billion) * 30% = $9.6 Billion
    What happens where there are more than one business owned by the same people operating out of the same address, are all those trading businesses entitled to that deduction and what would stop others from registering more businesses to claim it?
    What's to stop the 3 or 4 businesses at that same address claiming for the same equipment thus claiming the whole $10,000
    Where' s the money coming from to cover that extra tax write off? I haven't seen one journo or talk back commentator question Rudds sums on this.

    Commenter
    deps
    Location
    Castle Hill
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 9:28AM
    • Because you have to buy the equipment to claim the deduction and the item can only be bought once.

      if you can't understand that vital piece of logic then you really souldn't lecture anyone on "basic maths"

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 9:53AM
    • The answer is yes, Labor are better for small business and yes, anyone can set up as many businesses as they like out of one address to claim the depreciation.

      There's no point creating a whole lot a companies because the deduction is on an item by item basis. Deductions can only be for items used for business purposes.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 9:56AM
    • There's yet another whole article in The Age today about how the Liberals can't do maths.

      See: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/coalition-tactic-on-costings-to-unravel-20130901-2sz06.html

      Commenter
      Jane
      Location
      Collingwood
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 9:59AM
  • Can't help but wonder if Rudd as the man with 'the country boy smile' has alienated a large swathe of voters with his popup idea of a Minister for Cities.

    Commenter
    yys
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 9:27AM
  • Next Monday Kevin will be looking for a new way to agrandise himself on the world stage. I say, Ambassador to Syria. I can just picture it: "Hi, my name is Kevin, I'm from Queensland and I am here to help."

    Commenter
    dcs
    Location
    Five days and counting
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 9:26AM
  • Funny how Rudd warned us about hot head Tony in the debates regarding foreign affairs and now he is being accused by Rudd of being too timid to handle the tough decisions when he says things have to be carefully considered so as not to escalate a delicate situation.
    Waiting for the wind to change for Rudd's next thought bubble to float to the surface.

    Commenter
    dcs
    Location
    Five days and counting
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 9:25AM
    • Just don't stand downwind dcs, the bubbles are coming from the other end of his person.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 9:46AM
  • Morning Stephanie just repeating my feelings that the Labor launch yesterday was like launching a ship that immediately sunk after sliding off the slip. In September 1907 the Principessa Jolanda suffered this fate. The problem was that she looked fine to all her builders but lacked ballast and her centre of gravity was therefore too high and she immediately heeled to one side. Desperate attempts to right her were unsuccessful. It is all about the ship builders and what in 6 years they have built. Now in 6 years if they have built well everybody would know prior to this launch - it would be visible to us all. However if they haven't built well during their time in government then it would be time for them to go. Saturday will determine this.

    Commenter
    Optimist
    Location
    Hi
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 9:22AM
  • Ahhhh good to see the rusted ons are still at it well how many more sleeps to go.
    Roll up roll up the Dudd show coming to a town near you soon, roll up roll up as the days are counting down hurry hurry for the last show as the show pony will soon be in retirement.

    Commenter
    ultra
    Location
    Mel
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 9:19AM
  • The Pulse @ 9:05 AM ...... "the first day of the last week".

    Does not bode well.

    Abbottisms abound.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 9:18AM
  • A clue in todays crossword. 26. Deceit used to gain an unfair advantage (5). KEVIN immediately sprung to mind.

    Commenter
    Isenz
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 9:16AM
    • Murdoch's work on your brain is done .... and a triumph.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 9:30AM
    • I thought of Rupert Murdoch.

      Oh look, could that be Tony Abbott photobombing Kevin Rudd's photo in Townsville?

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 9:34AM
    • Scott "Pants on Fire" Morrison would be more apt.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 9:37AM
  • Kev looks worried and tense.

    He is thinking to himself "I will be looking like the guy behind me in a pair of Budgie smugglers next week when they throw me out of office. . Maybe I will just go into palliative care earlier than I had Planed"

    Commenter
    4Ken
    Location
    Auburn
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 9:16AM
    • I think that JT is looking even more worried and even more tense 4 comments out of 12 already ! It is a good thing that Mr Rudd trusts our judgement as electors and that we will make the right one therefore JT needs relax a bit. Only 5 sleeps.

      Commenter
      Opto
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 9:41AM
  • If the ALP become the opposition for the next 3 years, well it's not like a supported sporting team losing, hey, who really cares.....it's just that we will have to wait....bide our time until Australia gets some good policies in action again....in 3 years.

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 9:16AM
    • Wish-full thinking JT. Australians have long memories. But good luck!

      Commenter
      PDJ
      Location
      Hi
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 9:32AM
    • You think 3 years. Abbott will be a steady and competent hand. He will get two terms followed by Turnbulls two terms. 12 years all up.

      Enjoy.

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 9:44AM
    • We quite obviously don't have long memories..or even short memories...we have even 'forgotten' that our economy is excellent, poised for growth in education and infrastructure and it is Labor (mostly Julia Gillard) who has put us in this situation. The sickening part is that Tony Abbott will take the credit when he's been the most devisive, dysfunctional opposition leader ever.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 9:55AM
    • Oh yes we do and time and not your or my comments will tell JT, and as for being a dysfunctional opposition leader that is your opinion and that does not even equate with what senior ALP figures have said about him. On Saturday the ALP look for all money as though they are going to lie down for a while to learn some big lessons about their own dysfunction. Time will tell
      5 Sleeps.

      Commenter
      Optimist
      Location
      Hi
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:26AM
    • Kevin Andrews has started the LNP dysfunction already....with his jobs for the boys vs the wider community re charities.....we don't have to wait 5 more sleeps....the rot has already started.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:36AM
    • True Believer?

      Commenter
      Opto
      Location
      chuckle !
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:56AM
    • The LNP will at best get one term. The budget will go further into debt and the jig will be up. Ironically, the budget won't go further into the black for education, hospitals or infrastructure, but to well paid mothers!

      Commenter
      Casa
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:41PM
  • Two false claims from the ALP launch yesterday - KEVIN Rudd’s big pitch is that the core of Labor’s vision for the Australia of the 21st century is one where every Australian should have the right to a job. Unemployment has gone from 4 per cent when Labor assumed office to 5.6 per cent now. On the government’s own economic statement released just over a month ago, the rate of unemployment is assumed to rise to 6.25 per cent by mid-2014.
    While the $70 billion Coalition “black hole” figure is known by everybody to be false, Rudd used it to allege that Abbott’s massive cuts risk throwing the entire economy into recession.
    Only 5 more sleeps >>>>

    Commenter
    Baltic13
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 9:13AM
    • Only 5 more sleeps to ......what? the only realistic vision I can piece together from an LNP win is "one big slide" ...the new 3 word slogan for Sept 8th 2013 onwards....

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 9:23AM
    • Baltic - What would the unemployment rate be if the govt had of run surpluses over the past 6 years?

      I think you should read Stiglitz's articel today.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 9:27AM
    • Baltic
      Participation rate has gone up and average working hours has increased (underemployment decreased).
      That means despite a small increase in unemployment, more people are working than ever before.
      Read the stats instead of the spin.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:10AM
  • It appears that as Nobel prize winning US economist JOSEPH STIGLITZ can write about the success of the Australian economy, the brainless morons will still decry our economy and it's management over the last 3 years. If Tony Abbott can improve on 'excellent' .....well he's got a tough job ahead.

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 9:10AM
    • They should put this in an ad. Most people are just focused on hair flicks, disgruntled make up artists, budgie smugglers and fake tan.

      Commenter
      Confused
      Location
      Victoria
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:05AM
    • YEP,i notice all the usual liberal hacks here didnt have the GUTS to comment on that great Labor story.

      Commenter
      Steeden
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:33AM
  • The Labor campaign launch yesterday seemed to be more of an exercise in Abbott character assassination rather than any vision for the future, although a couple of reasonable ideas fell out of it.

    Rudd's big gee-up for the troops included the suggestion that he'd been in worse spots before and emerged unscathed.

    I'd be fascinated to know what that worse spot could possibly be, and how he came through it.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 9:09AM
    • "hacka" is sad because Labor didn't have anyone to tell smutty "jokes".

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 9:32AM
    • They mostly involved his hair Hacka. A paramount issue when it is all about Kevin.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:07AM
    • J. Fraser will be sad because his heroes will lose and his [in]famous 10-seat declaration will be exposed.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:11AM
    • Hacka
      Poor Tony. Did someone say something bad about him?
      Perhaps if he hadn't engaged in six years of character assassination himself.....

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:39PM
  • All of last week I was saying how ridiculous the Liberals "buy up the Indonesian fishing boat fleet" policy was. Today, PolitiFact has come out and with one of it's more scathing results. It gave the buy the boats policy the big "pants on fire" rating. The buy the boats policy has to be the most idiotic policy I think I've ever heard from any political party.

    Commenter
    Tone
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 9:06AM
    • What about Abbott's broadband and green army policies....others too have labelled those policies as bordering on lunacy!

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 9:13AM
    • All Australia is waiting for Australia's version of the American "Polit Facts" to determine what Joseph Stiglitz said.

      Pants on fire would be an extinguisher for Hockey.

      True would be what Australians have been hiding from.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 9:21AM
    • I could think of one or three KRudd thought bubbles that rate very highly in the pants on fire stakes... except they were proved to be lies by his actions.

      Try "fixing the hospital system blame game by 2009" for starters and maybe "the budget will be back in surplus by 2012/2013"

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 9:34AM
    • Cash for clunkers
      Pink batts scheme
      20/20 summit
      Fuel watch
      Grocery watch
      Removal of TPV’s
      Having 8/9th of the first stimulus package sunk into mortgages and rent
      Sending stimulus checks to deceased people
      Still sending out stimulus checks... right now

      etc etc etc

      Commenter
      Brettie
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 9:45AM
    • And sending our students at tax payers expense to become overseas students and study in Asia thus boosting their economy. Did Abbott not realise our universities are superior and their students are fighting to come and study here?

      Commenter
      Confused
      Location
      Victoria
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:01AM
    • But alternative view, no policy is worse than parroting "buy the boats", "buy the boats", "buy the boats". How bizarro is that policy. Almost 1 million fishing boats in Indonesia. Dumbest policy ever.

      Commenter
      Harold
      Location
      Healsville
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:05AM
    • JT - but not by anyone with any credibility.

      Tone - finally something we agree on tone. I hope it was non-core or not written down because this is one I would like to see quietly disappear when Abbott takes the reins after Saturday.
      I will still be voting NLP on Saturday though becuase while they may have a few duds like this they are better than the few good ALP policies that are in vogue this week, until the wind changes.

      No matter what your political persuasion, unless only one or two issues are important to you, you can't expect to agree with 100% of your party's policies unless you are a rusted on "true believer".

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:14AM
    • @ Harold - no, the dumbest policy ever was Kevvy proposing to move the Navy from a well-established deep-water port with no navigation issues, to a tidal estuary with shifiting sand banks and other navigation hazards - in spite of his own Navy and Defence Department separately recommending against the idea.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:18AM
    • Direct Action comes a close second.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:21AM
    • Wrong Tim. Moving the Navy is possible. Buying up the boats is from fairy land.

      Commenter
      Jane
      Location
      Collingwood
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:50AM
    • If you think Liberal's policies are lunacy, yet they have 46% of the primary vote nationally, you can only imagine how people must perceive the Labor party and their policies then!!!

      Commenter
      brenton
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:29PM
    • brenton, I don't see Labor suggesting "buy the boats" (pants on fire), "buy the boats" (pants on fire), "buy the boats" (pants on fire). A really stupid policy.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:38PM
  • Tony Abbott's words.....will they come back to bite him.....

    ''I don't believe the additional savings to be announced later in this week will impact on ordinary Australians,''

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 9:02AM
    • The additional savings might not but the ones already announced will, school kids bonus, low income super rebate and small business immediate write off and loss carry back provisions just to name a few.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 9:24AM
    • Come on JT they will most likely come back just to bite ----------- you.

      Commenter
      Optimist
      Location
      Hi
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:09PM
    • We will just have to wait and see...
      What was the Labor budget blowout this financial year (est. so far)in the many 10's of Billions of Dollars. In round terms is it like 30,000+ million dollars....in 6 weeks... enough to make everyone a millionaire in a country town like Wagga Wagga . Labor no idea at all

      Commenter
      ExecutiveBriefing
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:21PM
  • I think yesterday will be the last time we will be treated to scenes of Kevin Rudd "celebrating".

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 8:58AM
    • What a mean, little person you are. Whether you like it or not Rudd has done more for this country than you mate.

      Commenter
      Dude
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 9:57AM
    • More of what Rudd has done we can perhaps all do without. I suppose you don't like how the election is going but grow up & get over it. Move on.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:13AM
    • I'm with you Dude. Frankly, I don't know why a rich person like Rudd bothers trying to help us. Many of us don't deserve it!

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:58AM
    • Dude are you related to Paul Keating?

      Commenter
      Fred
      Location
      Bloggs
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:02AM
    • Dude, you tell that to the various ALP colleagues that KRudd has demeaned and pissed off in the last 6 years!

      I am sure they will also be quietly celebrating, as no doubt will Peter Beattie, who won't be elected and won't have to worry about trying to be nice to Kevvie anymore.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:31AM
    • Wake up everyone! You've been hypnotised by Rupert Murdoch! Wake up!

      Commenter
      Casa
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 1:37PM
  • The Liberal party lieks to portray itself as the friend of small business yet under the libs the immediate write off of ssets threshold will be just $1000 where under Labor it wil be $10,000, who is really looking out for small business?

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    September 02, 2013, 8:58AM
    • Macca75 - Howard initiated the scheme.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 9:24AM
    • Has that been costed yet Macca/ Better get out your fake outrage and direct it towards Rudd or do you only concern yourself with the costings of Abbott because labor have been so spot on with their estimates over the last 6 years?

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 9:45AM
    • Hacka - Howard initiated the scheme at $1000 - the ALP expanded on it's current $6500 and now wants to go to $10k - the libs want to wind it back to $1000 - which is better for small business now?

      Denny - How close did Howard and Costello get with their estimates?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 9:56AM
    • Macca75 - small business have consistently said is they would rather like no carbon tax, less red tape and improved business and consumer confidence. That will require a change of government.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:13AM
    • How are the Libs going reduce red tape?

      How is removing things like the school kids bonus going to increase consumer confidence?

      Do you really believe electricity prices are going to go down by any considerable margin if the "carbon tax" is removed?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:44AM
    • Macca75 and J.Fraser, you know what is going to be the best part of the week, Saturday night when Rudd announces that Labor have lost and that he has also lost his own seat.
      As Shorten takes over it is going to be fun to how many Labor MPs refuse to work with him, mind you according to the odds there will not be many of them anyway.

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:53AM
    • Macca75 the carbon tax issue will be interesting. Firstly, will Abbott be able to repeal it ? It's not as if the Greens have ever recognised a mandate.

      Secondly your point is fair - there will be pressure for prices to come down so all eyes will be on that.

      The other big issue is whether Abbott will bring on a double dissolution if the Greens block the changes. Hopefully SHY and a few other Green Senators get their marching orders so the Senate gets a bit more flexibility. Xenephon is trying his hardest on that front. He could be the next Harradine.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 10:57AM
    • Hacka
      You clearly do not understand small business. There are hundreds of small businesses out there that will fail under Abbott's policies.
      The Carbon Tax has allowed massive numbers of people to be employed in renewable energy fields. They will all be tossed on the scrap heap.
      Small businesses do not vote as a bloc - as billionaires do, so Tony doesn't care about them. That is evident from his policies.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:02AM
    • The race for "hacka" to have the last word here ... is on.

      Like chewing gum at the checkout he wants to have Murdoch's "brand" front and centre.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:05AM
    • If you say so Steve, although it's more small business experience than the entire Cabinet.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 11:54AM
    • Hacka
      And the current cabinet has more small business experience than the incoming one.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 12:36PM
    • Can you backup that comment Steve ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 2:47PM
    • The race is still on for "hacka" to have the last word here.
      Like chewing gum at the checkout he wants to have Murdoch's "brand" front and centre.

      I just copy & paste like "hacka" does ... except when he's too lazy to do his own research, then I help him.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:14PM
    • Macca75: do you run a small business? I do, and I can 't wait to see the back of party of the unions ... something you probably understand ...

      Commenter
      ET
      Location
      Lakesland
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:15PM
    • Hacka,
      The Direct Action scheme is a load of tripe and is designed to hide the cost of CO2 reduction policies. It will be hidden in consolidated revenue where it feels like it's not there when in fact it hurts all.

      Much less bang for your buck than a market based scheme which is the ETS,
      Pure and Simple.

      Commenter
      Econorat
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:38PM
    • Name three Labor politician on the front bench that has run a successful business (employing staff) for a reasonable period of time.

      A history of working from Union or ALP headquarters does not quite fit the bill I am afraid. If you can't name 3 then 1 would suffice. Best estimate would be ZIP, Nudda --- no one.

      No Plans.. No Idea.. No Future...

      Commenter
      ExecutiveBriefing
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:39PM
    • ET - I hope you buy your assets before the libs screw you.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 02, 2013, 3:40PM
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