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Federal Election 2013 Live: August 29, 2013

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It's all gone quiet, a bit too quiet. But let's wrap up anyway.

What happened?

  • Labor says it has found a $10 billion black hole in the costings the Coalition released yesterday;
  • the Coalition says not so;
  • Labor leader Kevin Rudd declared his concern at the level of foreign ownership of agricultural land;
  • Coalition leader Tony Abbott announced his education policy with an emphasis on more autonomy for schools and a promise that he would not cut spending; and
  • Mr Abbott made the announcement at a Christian school that believes homosexuality is an "abomination", a statement Mr Abbott disagrees with.

Thank you, as always, for being with me, Alex Ellinghausen and Andrew Meares.

See you in the morning.

And a wee bit more on foreign land ownership.

Greens Senator Scott Ludlam says reform is overdue and that his party would be open to working on the issue to pass legislation.

You can watch Senator Ludlam's interview here.

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Scott Ludlam says Kevin Rudd's talk of foreign land ownership reform is long overdue, and that the Greens party would be open to working with the major parties to pass legislation on the issue.

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Chief political correspondent Mark Kenny has invoked the spirit of E.G Whitlam in today's column.

"Gough Whitlam once likened American politics to a couple of soft drink bottles of the same capacity and shape but with different labels," Mark writes.

"A trademark dramatic pause ensued before he observed they were both empty. One wonders what he would make of the current dry argument over Australia's future?"

 

 

That Andrew Meares is quite the magician - not only does he been take arresting images while covering Team Rudd but he can also photograph himself photographing (that's way existential, as Cher Horowitz would say).

 

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd enters a lift before a press conference in Melbourne on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd enters a lift before a press conference in Melbourne on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Should the Coalition win the election on September 7 then Arthur Sinodinos will be well placed to take on a ministerial portfolio.

Unless Senator Sinodinos loses his seat to Pauline Hanson.

How could this possibly be, I hear you ask.

Well, according to Senate preference tickets lodged with the Australian Electoral Commission almost every small right wing party has directed its preferences to Ms Hanson which means she could unseat Senator Sinodinos who is third on the Coalition's NSW ticket.

The Age's economics editor, Tim Colebatch, explains.

The ever observant Andrew Meares found this warm up routine that ship workers are advised to do before starting  shifts (anyone else hearing Y.M.C.A about now?).

Warm up exercise guide for workers at BAE Systems in Williamstown, Melbourne.

Warm up exercise guide for workers at BAE Systems in Williamstown, Melbourne. Photo: Andrew Meares

Part two:

 

And now Ms Rein weighs in:

 

Ms Rein then answered some light hearted questions about Mr Rudd's sense of humour (yes, he has one) and whether or not she likes Tony Abbott (it's not for her to offer character assessments).

Ms Rein then got stuck into "personality politics" which, she said, had resulted in "a lot of trivialisation of real issues and I think that does a disservice to our democracy".

"I think it's demeaning to the participants and I think it creates so much noise that we can't actually have what should be the exciting conversation in our democracy at the time of election where we are choosing alternatives," Ms Rein said.

"We can't have that conversation because we've got the noise about oh, well, I don't know - what people are wearing or what they look like or stuff, just nonsense and stuff."

 

 

Therese Rein, who is married to Kevin Rudd, braved an interview with radio host John Laws earlier today.

Laws started off by asking Ms Rein why her surname wasn't Rudd (no, I'm not making it up).

"Well, why isn't Kevin, Kevin Rein," Ms Rein laughed.

But that wasn't enough for Laws who then asked twice more.

"But it's kind of a traditional thing," Laws said. "I don't want to make a meal of it but it's sort of a traditional think, isn't it? In English speaking countries that you take your husband's name."

"Well, Kevin and I had a conversation about it and it was about a minute long," Ms Rein explained.

At that point Laws gave up and congratulated Ms Rein on the length of the marriage.

 

 

Therese Rein and Jessica watch the community forum at Rooty Hill RSL in Sydney on Wednesday.

Therese Rein and Jessica watch the community forum at Rooty Hill RSL in Sydney on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

I now need to point you in the direction of a few things:

 

The BAE Systems ship yards in Melbourne.

The BAE Systems ship yards in Melbourne. Photo: Andrew Meares

Master and commander.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Senator Kim Carr at the Williamstown ship yards in Melbourne on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Senator Kim Carr at the Williamstown ship yards in Melbourne on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Rudd is speaking to ship builders at Williamstown in Melbourne.

"This is a big piece of kit, it's huge," Mr Rudd says gesturing towards the vessel behind him.

Mr Rudd confirms that, if re elected, he will bring forward to 2015/16 the purchase of new vessels to replace the supply ships HMAS Success and HMAS Sirius.

 

 

Proficiency at seflies is a job requirement in Kevin Rudd's office.

Mr Rudd's right hand man, Bruce Hawker, is fond of taking pictures of his boss's press conferences and tweeting them.

But taking it to the next level is spin doctor Eamonn Fitzpatrick. His instragram feed has been moody, soulful even, throughout the campaign. You can follow him @agentofinfection (where else?).

Team Abbott is now done for the day (it is bound for Melbourne).

Team Rudd has a stop in Williamstown, Melbourne, before it flies to Perth later this afternoon.

One imagines Kevin Rudd is visiting Williamstown to make something of this announcement (the fast tracking of a multi million dollar project to build supply ships for the Navy).

 

Labor leader Kevin Rudd at the Williamstown ship yards in Melbourne on Thursday.

Labor leader Kevin Rudd at the Williamstown ship yards in Melbourne on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Earlier today Coalition leader Tony Abbott visited Penrith Christian School in Sydney's west to launch his education policy.

The school's statement of faith describes homosexuality as an "abomination" and "a perversion of the natural order and not to be entered into".

Mr Abbott said he disagreed with the statement but refused to criticise the school.

Reporter Peter Munro has this report.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott at the Penrith Christian School in Sydney  on Thursday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott at the Penrith Christian School in Sydney on Thursday.

Kevin stole my policies, says independent MP Bob Katter in this interview with Tim Lester.

Mr Katter says Mr Rudd's new found concern about foreign ownership of agricultural land and supermarket duopolies might be straight from the Katter's Australian Party but that doesn't necessarily signal a preferences deal with Labor.

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Independent MP Bob Katter says Rudd's comments on foreign investment and supermarket reform are straight from the KAP policy sheet, but says they don't reflect to a preferences deal per se.

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In today's instalment of Fact Checker, economics correspondent Peter Martin looks at the Coalition's much repeated claim that the public service has grown by 20,000 since 2007.

Is this statement true? Click here to find out.

Back to all those foreigners buying up our land.

Mr Rudd's new found anxiety about land ownership contradicts the views of current and former Labor ministers who have dismissed populist fears on the issue.

Reporter Jonathan Swan called the Australian Bureau of Statistics to find out how much of Australian agricultural land is foreign owned. 5.8 per cent based on 2010 figures, he was told.

You can read Jonathan's story here.

Naturally, National Party hopeful Barnaby Joyce has something to say about the matter as well. You can watch him in this video.

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Was PM Kevin Rudd's fear on foreign owned land an epiphany he had while riding a donkey? Nationals hopeful Barnaby Joyce dissects the PM's motives.

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I am going to go back to the Coalition's education policy document to bring you some of the commitments it is making:

  • "stable, simple and sustainable funding to all Australian schools";
  • guidelines to improve admission standards into teaching standards;
  • a greater focus on practical skills in teacher training programs;
  • encouraging 1,500 public schools to become independent private schools by 2017 (based on a West Australian program);
  • match Commonwealth funding for students with a disability for one year while a new "loading formula" is developed;
  • greater focus on maths, science, technology and engineering in the curriculum;
  • encourage more students to study foreign languages;
  • review the national curriculum; and
  • develop an MBA style executive education for a new school leadership program.

All this comes to a grand total of an extra $120 million on top of schools funding already committed to in the budget.

Mr Abbott says "what happened in Syria is an abomination".

"Some kind of sanctions would be merited, no doubt about that," Mr Abbott says.

(He will receive his briefing later today.)

Mr Abbott avoids answering whether he has seen the figures released by Labor.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott visits the Penrith Christian School in Sydney on Thursday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott visits the Penrith Christian School in Sydney on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

I will come back to the details of the education policy after Mr Abbott finishes taking questions.

He is asked about Labor's costings claimings.

Mr Abbott says the Coalition stands by the figures that were released yesterday.

"I am confident that the assumptions that we have made are the correct assumptions," Mr Abbott says.

"Mr Rudd has got all of his own figures wrong and now he's got ours wrong too....If Mr Rudd's lips are moving you know he's not telling the truth."

 

Opposition leader Tony Abbott visits the Penrith Christian School in Sydney on Thursday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott visits the Penrith Christian School in Sydney on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Rudd has finished.

Just in time for Coalition leader Tony Abbott who is speaking at Penrith Christian School about education.

"We will spend exactly the same on education over the forward estimates," Mr Abbott says.

Education spokesman Christopher Pyne says the debate has gotten caught up on funding.

Mr Pyne said he and Mr Abbott decided to move the debate to a "higher plane" by adopting Labor's funding model.

 

 

Opposition leader Tony Abbott visits the Penrith Christian School in Sydney on Thursday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott visits the Penrith Christian School in Sydney on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

I now have links to the documents released by Labor.

Here is the Treasury minute.

Here is the Parliamentary Budget Office minute.

Here is the Department of Finance minute.

The document released by Labor says some of the "holes" it has found in the Coalition's costings include:

  • claiming an extra $2 billion in savings from not proceedings with the low income super contribution (the "correct saving", Labor says it $1.7 billion not the $3.7 billion claimed by the Coalition);
  • claiming a saving of $5.2 billion from reducing the public service by 12,000 when the Department of Finance has costed this saving at $2.8 billion;
  • the $5.1 billion saved by discontinuing free permits in the Jobs and Competitiveness Fund does not impact the underlying cash balance; and
  • only $300 million of the $1.5 billion save from discontinuing the Clean Energy Finance Corporation can be claimed as only this portion hits the budget bottom line.

Labor campaign headquarters has also released the accompanying documentation from Treasury, the Department of Finance and the Parliamentary Budget Office. I'll get those put up on our website as soon as possible and let you know when they're available.

Mr Bowen says the Coalition has performed a "pea and thimble trick".

The Coalition is "hiding the need to make further cuts to make their budget add up", Mr Bowen says.

"It's nine days until the election," Finance Minister Penny Wong says, "and Mr Abbott is still playing hide and seek".

"$1 in every $3 that they counted as savings doesn't exist."

Instead of saving $31.6 billion as the Coalition said yesterday, Labor says the savings only amount to $20.8 billion.

Treasurer Chris Bowen says the analysis Labor has done are based on figures from Treasury and the Parliamentary Budget Office (which was done before the election).

Mr Rudd accuses Mr Abbott of being "untruthful" in not releasing the full costings of Coalition policies.

Mr Rudd says a "simple analysis" of the costings that were released shows "a massive $10 billion" hole.

 

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd  with Senator Penny Wong and Treasurer Chris Bowen in Melbourne on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd with Senator Penny Wong and Treasurer Chris Bowen in Melbourne on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Rudd moves on to costings, specifically the Coalition's.

"[The Australian people] want their prime minister to be have good judgement....and to be truthful with them," Mr Rudd says.

"They think that this policy priority [paid parental leave] of his is just dead wrong."

Mr Rudd has begun.

He starts with Syria and says it is the government's belief that chemical weapons have been used in Syria.

"The evidence is now overwhelming," Mr Rudd says. "The Australian government condemns the Syrian regime."

"It is a flagrant breach of international law. It is an offence against humanity, and arguably, it is a crime against humanity."

The international community must now discuss a "robust response", Mr Rudd says.

 

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd with Senator Penny Wong and Treasurer Chris Bowen in Melbourne on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd with Senator Penny Wong and Treasurer Chris Bowen in Melbourne on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

I'm waiting to bring you a press conference with Mr Rudd and his money ministers, Treasurer Chris Bowen and Finance Minister Penny Wong. It's due to start any minute.

Mr Abbott has given a brief address to the Penrith Christian School assembly.

"The best value that you can live by is that golden rule to do unto others as you would have them do unto you," Mr Abbott tells the students.

"I will do my best to help you be your best selves in the months and years ahead."

Opposition leader Tony Abbott at the Penrith Christian School in Sydney  on Thursday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott at the Penrith Christian School in Sydney on Thursday.

Where are the leaders today?

Well, obviously, Tony Abbott is in Sydney.

Team Abbott has just arrived at Penrith Christian School in the electorate of Lindsay (the one Fiona Scott is hoping to wrest from Labor minister David Bradbury for the Coalition). It is Mr Abbott's third visit to the seat during the campaign.

Mr Abbott is about the address the school assembly.

Team Rudd is in Melbourne. Mr Rudd has just arrived after detouring to Canberra for a briefing on Syria. He will hold a press conference at about 11am.

(Mr Abbott will receive a briefing on Syria later today.)

Among the revelations to come out of last night's community forum was the Coalition's announcement that it would abolish a $1.2 billion Labor scheme to deliver pay rises to the nation's 350,000 aged care workers and reallocate the money within the aged care funding pool.

The Coalition had been critical in the past of the aged care 'Workforce Compact' which offers wage supplements to employers who lift wages to a certain level and sign an enterprise bargaining agreement on the grounds it was too expensive and designed to help aged care unions boost their numbers.

Health reporter Dan Harrison has more.

The Abbott daughters played netball and so did Mr Abbott's wife, Margie, who was on hand to relieve her husband of a netball body suit that was presented to him at the event.

The sports loving Mr Abbott said he never took to the netball court himself: "I probably wasn't regarded as sufficiently coordinated so I was left to rugby."

 

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott is presented with a netball bodysuit by netball player Bianca Chatfield  during his visit to Sydney Olympic Park on Thursday.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott is presented with a netball bodysuit by netball player Bianca Chatfield during his visit to Sydney Olympic Park on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

The players were a bit concerned that they may have sweated on Mr Abbott.

"A bit of body contact never hurt anyone," he assured them.

"Nothing wrong with a bit of modest sweat."

Opposition leader Tony Abbott during his visit to  Sydney Olympic Park  on Thursday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott during his visit to Sydney Olympic Park on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Yesterday it was chocolate and today it is netball. Whoever said the Coalition was not in touch with women's issues?

Coalition leader Tony Abbott has been at Sydney Olympic Park this morning where he promised $3 million towards completing a netball centre of excellent and a further $3 million for the 2015 Netball World Cup.

Peter Munro is with Team Abbott and reports the assembled netball players were very impressed with Mr Abbott.

"He's funny, cool," said one.

Mr Abbott is a "netball dad" from way back although his daughters said last week that he saw the game as just another form of rugby.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott visits the Sydney Olympic Park on Thursday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott visits the Sydney Olympic Park on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

The Age's national affairs editor, Tony Wright, is with Team Abbott.

In this piece on last night's debate Tony declared the only winner was power bingo.

Breaking news reporter Judith Ireland is with Team Rudd.

She provided this report on what happens with the families of both leaders show up to demonstrate their support.

And our online readers' poll today asks the question - do we need a review of foreign ownership of land in Australia as flagged by Kevin Rudd? You can have your say here.

 

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd departs the Rooty Hill RSL on Wednesday night.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd departs the Rooty Hill RSL on Wednesday night. Photo: Andrew Meares

Chief political correspondent Mark Kenny filed this report on the debate in which Mr Rudd was forced to defend his internal campaign against former prime minister Julia Gillard.

Mr Rudd also called for tighter restrictions on the sale of Australian land to foreign individuals telling the forum he felt "anxious" about farms being sold to non Australian interests. This has led to claims Mr Rudd invented the policy on the night (but more of that later).

The Sydney Morning Herald's political editor, Peter Hartcher, felt the event exposed "the great credibility chasm" of the campaign.

"Voters," Peter writes, "don't believe either party. And when some of them had the chance to quiz the leaders on this directly, Rudd and Abbott only reinforced their fears."

 

The debate/community forum/meeting/encounter.....The audience gave it to Labor leader Kevin Rudd.

What did you make of it?

I have a video overview of the debate if you'd like to go back and check it out.

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Leaders slug it out

Tony Abbott had to deal with a blunt attack on his paid parental leave scheme and Kevin Rudd hinted at limits on foreign land ownership as the leaders met for a third campaign debate.

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Good morning and welcome to our live coverage of the federal election campaign.

Thank you for joining me, Andrew Meares and Alex Ellinghausen as we take you through the day's news and views.

(And a round of applause to Jacqueline Maley for her fine coverage of the community forum last night.)

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  • J.Fraser
    Whyalla
    Tone
    Macca

    Best of luck with your new jobs guys. It won't be long now and the removalist will be boxing all your stuff from HQ.

    See you all in about a decade, when the ALP are gaining some traction!

    Commenter
    beasleyst
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 4:29PM
  • Actually I was very disappointed at the response to my Help for J. Fraser Appeal, not a brass rahzoo from a single Fairfax contributor.

    Apparently Gillard and Rudd have already hoovered up all the loose up change in Australia trying to fill their own 'black hole'.

    You know the one called the 'Commonwealth budget'.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 4:20PM
    • Credit where credit is due.

      Props to J. Fraser though for being the lone Labor biased voice this late in the afternoon. The rest of his commentariat friends must be stuck in a Labor strategy room being told to up their Twitter quota.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 4:26PM
  • I wonder what the odds are for who is going to be leading Labor after Sept 8th.

    Least the luvies can count on someone from Labor winning that election.

    You ought to put your hand up Fraze, that would fix the nest egg problem.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 4:05PM
    • Perhaps it's Julia's turn again. If Labor are smart they'll put in someone with some real world experience. Like .... um .... ah ....

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 4:12PM
    • SteveH,

      You've forgotten Kev changed the rules. 75% of caucus have to vote him out then get nominations, then the big vote for all the members. There will be more posturing for this one than the main election.
      One thing is for sure though, Kev will zip!

      Commenter
      notlad
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 4:19PM
    • @SteveH.

      Do you really think a man who has trouble with technology is going to lead Australia.

      Haven't your studies (over the years) taught you anything ?

      What are you studying again ?

      Isn't it stoneage man and wooden tools ?

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 4:24PM
  • Comment or song of praise about Abbott's policies are really thin on the ground here.

    In fact its just like a big black hole ..... trying to build up Abbott.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 3:57PM
    • @J. Fraser

      What did I say before about originality?

      Commenter
      Ma
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 4:10PM
  • It takes 43% of the vote to win 3 of 6 senate positions in NSW and 57.15% to get a 4th spot.

    Bringing in Kevin has guaranteed Penny Wong's control of the Green Labor Senate (3 NSW Senate seats) but if the Coalition can't get a 43% primary vote then Senator Sinadinos doesn't deserve re-election.

    Commenter
    Vulture
    Location
    Gladesville
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 3:56PM
  • Private jets at 40 paces! Duel at Melbourne airport between Kevin Rudd & Clive Palmer.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/election-2013/clive-palmer-blames-kevin-rudd-for-melbourne-airport-fuel-delay/story-fn9qr68y-1226706698142

    Not Paywalled.

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 3:52PM
    • @Lewis

      Haven't you noticed that anti Labor articles are not paywalled across Murdoch's 68% media ownership in Australia.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:59PM
    • Fraser, did you read the article? If it is true what is alleged, then Kevin has been on one of his power trips again and what he did would amount to an abuse of power. It is not an anti-Labor article, it is reporting of facts of a quite serious event that occurred today. If Kevin was just on a campaign trip, then he had no right to invoke right of access to jet-fuel over any other politician on a campaign trip. I do think that Clive has a valid point there.

      Commenter
      Julia by 10 seats
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 4:28PM
  • The Pulse @ 3:34PM

    A selfie from Andrew Meares.

    Sure to upset the Abbott supporters.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 3:47PM
    • No, it doesn't upset us. Because we recognise that Andrew Meares is actually doing his job - and doing it well. Unlike one of the subjects of his photo, who fails miserably on both counts...

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:57PM
    • Best watch a copy of High Anxiety by Mel Brooks - those unplanned photos can provide real evidence at a later stage.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 4:13PM
    • The Pulse 3.47 pm. Yet another selfie comment. When will someone give you your own TV show? and how is that Banana freckle disease going in tropo QLD?

      Commenter
      enough is enough
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      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 4:15PM
  • Rudd spends billions for new navy fleet..Abbott spends billions on buying old leaky navy boats from the people smugglers.

    Commenter
    Steeden
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    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 3:44PM
    • Simplistic analysis. Are you a policy strategist for the Greens?

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 4:00PM
    • Another thought bubble from Kevvie.

      "Where do ya get the money for that?"

      Let us see the ALP costings....

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 4:10PM
  • Sportsbet is already paying out on Coalition winning the election.
    Basically 90 seats to 56.
    Coalition $1.03
    ALP $11.00

    Commenter
    Puzzled
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 3:44PM
    • I tell you what. If you Coalition people really really believe that the Coalition are going to be outright winners, you don't really need to be here do you? If you truly believe that, then it follows that you're wasting your time posting here, aren't you. Shouldn't you go do something more productive than your relentless spouting of lies?

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:58PM
    • Tone
      Lies?
      It's in the papers.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 4:16PM
  • The Abbott cheer squad must be getting tired.

    Attacking women left, right and centre.

    Next they will be dragging out the flag and wrapping themselves up in high dudgeon.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 3:40PM
    • Geez Fraser, sounds more like you are the one getting tired and cranky. How about not making this all personal?

      Commenter
      Julia by 10 seats
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:44PM
    • @J. Fraser

      "The Abbott cheer squad must be getting tired.

      Attacking women left, right and centre."

      That boat sailed with Julia Gillard. Where have you been?

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:46PM
    • Seriously, J, do you ever try to make sense? What are you even referring to here?

      Commenter
      Ash
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:51PM
    • The way Kevvy has been appropriating other people's policies - Katter's agri-land views, most of the Coalition's offshore processing - I'm surprised he hasn't yet tried Pauline Hanson's flag trick. But, he's still got a little time left.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:52PM
    • How dare you J. Fraser! Your High and Exalted Leader Julia Gillard has decreed it is 'high dungeon' not 'dudgeon'. Hang your head in shame.

      Commenter
      Nulla
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      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 4:05PM
  • Stealing policies is one thing, but Bob Katter's policy...seriously!
    I guess that's what happens when you make it up as you go, who needs a cabinet. I't Kevin the one-man-band.

    Commenter
    Oak
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 3:35PM
  • Don't you love this Labor claim about Coalition black holes. By election day i think it's safe to predict that Labor will say the black hole has hit about a hundred billion bucks.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 3:34PM
    • If there is a black hole we should be concerned about it is the one forming around Labor's half truths and outright lies.

      A few more days of this and not even light will be able to escape that black hole's gravitational field.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:38PM
    • Isn't that what you are always saying.

      Just to denigrate the Australian economy.

      And to denigrate Australian workers.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:42PM
    • Well, yes Malik. Perhaps even a new planet will be formed, right alongside the alternate planet the Greens occupy.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:46PM
    • You suffer from the delusion, Hacka, that just because you say something it is right. The Greens supposed "wackiness" is an invention of neocons supported by vested interests (significantly in the mining industry - have a look at the deep reach THEY have into your beloved Liberals) because the Greens policies favouring the environment are seen by the earth-munchers as dangerous to their cash-cow. Nothing of substance in the neocon claims - but then they don't need substance when they have smear and fear.

      Commenter
      BC
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:57PM
    • Yes BC, it's all a conspiracy isn't it. Except for all the mining and forestry jobs the Greens are looking to wipe out.

      Reminds us a bit of that comic strip BC - weren't they all cave dwellers ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 4:17PM
  • It reads :

    "Medicare locals not safe under coalition"

    It could just as easily read :

    "Mediocre locals not safe under coalition".

    But that would be a repeat of Abbott's "woman of calibre".

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 3:26PM
  • Therese: "Why is the focus from my chat with the highly courteous John Laws this morning on the warm up question about shared surnames?"

    Probably because the media won't ask questions about where your nautically-inclined husband is getting the money for yet another grand announcement.

    Commenter
    Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 3:23PM
    • The Pell/Murdoch based Abbott just doesn't answer questions.

      At least not from Australian voters.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:34PM
    • And by the time Rudd ever gets to one of his answers, the audience have: (1) fallen asleep; or (2) simply left; or (3) resorted to desparate measures.

      Nice of you to bring up the big bad boogey-man again. Obviously Kevvy hasn't mentioned him today as an excuse, so one of the fellow travellers has put their hand up.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:47PM
    • I also noticed that just like Kevvy wouldn't, you didn't answer the question.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 4:01PM
  • It's nice that Mrs Rein doesn't provide character assessments.

    It's a shame she hasn't taught her husband the same.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 3:20PM
  • 3.17 pic = ALP how to vote card

    Commenter
    Taxpayer
    Location
    here
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 3:19PM
    • @Taxpayer

      ROFL priceless!.

      It's missing the "touch your toes" exercise we'll all need to master if Labor get 3 more years.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:28PM
  • If Rudd was in a car, with Abbott riding shotgun, and ran someone over all the labor supporters here would not only find a way to defend Rudd but then put the blame on Abbott.

    Commenter
    Already Reflected
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 3:18PM
    • Yes but that's because Abbott cut the fuel line.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:36PM
    • I knew I could trust you to find a way Tone.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:56PM
    • Oh touche. I meant break line, by the way. Some people here have a sense of humour.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 4:17PM
    • Sorry Tone, forgot to add the ;) after my reply ;)

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 4:42PM
  • Looking at many of the comments on here today makes you truly appreciate how fortunate we are to be living in Australia.

    In many other countries, perhaps more than you realise, there would be a midnight knock at the door where you would be 'encouraged' to alter your views or maybe you even disappear altogether.

    Perhaps none of us should take this gift of true democracy for granted.

    Just a thought.

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 3:16PM
    • + 100,000 Tim - well said.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:28PM
    • @Tim of Altona

      Yes it really is a true democracy. It's nice to know everything I type, along with my IP address, is being stored in a data warehousing facility courtesy of ASIO.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:31PM
    • Didn't the previous attorney general try to change that? If her proposed legislation had gone through would you have been forced to "balance" your comments, Tim? Make sure you don't "offend" anyone?

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:36PM
    • @"Tim of A"

      Can I expect to see you down at the polling booth working for your particular party ?

      I find it quite enjoyable.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:45PM
  • I think this comment from Colin Brisenden sums up the attitiudes of Abbott supporters;
    Tony Abbott can often be heard saying the coalition has done it before and will do it again.
    It is a bit like Ewen McKenzie saying the Wallabies have won the Bledisloe Cup before and can do it again, when the reality is that they haven't come within a cooee of the All Blacks for 11 years.

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 3:12PM
    • Macca75 that's because we've had Deans (Labor) at the helm.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:47PM
    • Didn't realise Deans Coached for 11 years!

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 4:17PM
    • @A country gal?

      Climate change is real? Someone forgot to tell the Pakistanis and Chinese.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:00PM
  • that's because meres is probably a Liberal rent-a-troll (there are a lot of them about trying to drown out any real discussion)

    Commenter
    Windy
    Location
    Abbotsford
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 3:00PM
  • T. Rein is right there is far too much noise especially by the press. Literally thousands are already dying from climate change and who gives a damn?

    Credulous.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 2:56PM
    • Yeah, thousands are dying from climate change. I can hear the screaming of billionaires all along Sydney's foreshore.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:59PM
    • Even more are dying from old age Pen,
      best not add boredom to the list.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:04PM
    • I beg your pardon?
      Proof please, and do not refer to extreme WEATHER events, tragic as they are.

      Commenter
      Tony
      Location
      Paddington
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:09PM
    • and millions more dying in poverty that industrial development could otherwise save

      Commenter
      Ravi Chan
      Location
      Asia
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:17PM
    • @"Pen"

      Murdoch's Courier Mail does.

      Today's "Editorial" attacked Queenslanders for being "latte sipping ABC watchers".

      Looks like old Murdoch wants our ABC ..... as well as the destruction of the NBN.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:23PM
    • @Pen, it might be that climate change is too big a concept for the average person to grasp. Imagine the times when everybody believed the world was flat and the then scientists said it was round. The situation is the same now, we still don't believe our scientists or their proof.

      Commenter
      Prosper
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:37PM
    • @Prosper

      "@Pen, it might be that climate change is too big a concept for the average person to grasp. Imagine the times when everybody believed the world was flat and the then scientists said it was round. The situation is the same now, we still don't believe our scientists or their proof."

      Yet, we believe the same people that brought us WMDs in Iraq. Go figure?

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:51PM
    • The same people? You're probably just kidding or casting your net very very wide.

      Commenter
      Prosper
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 4:00PM
  • Ms Rein could certainly enlighten Ms Gillard with those comments about personality politics.

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 2:51PM
    • She could probably also enlighten cabinet about how a budget actually works.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:02PM
    • @"enough"

      Tell me why you are attacking someone who is no longer in the public sphere.

      And a woman no less.

      Is it just an Abbott thing that you follow blindly ?

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:14PM
    • Public sphere Fraser? on a indexed tax funded pension forever, office staff, first class travel, car with driver, etc. And you say she will never be in the public arena again? has the banana freckle disease announced yesterday already hit Qld?

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:59PM
  • John Laws living in the past.

    And Abbott is right there with him.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 2:49PM
    • Another witticism from J. Fraser.

      As impressive as Labor's last six years in Government.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:57PM
    • Laws might living the past Fraze, but its a whole lot more profitable than your 'present'.

      How the nest egg getting on, has it hatched yet?

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:00PM
    • But "Malik" I was only stating a fact.

      If I was going for a "witticism" I would start with your pseudonym..

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:08PM
    • Hopefully, Captain Kevvy will be shortly consigned to the past. If that happens, I wonder if he'll blame everyone but himself...

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:20PM
    • @Malik - Have noticed J.Faser did the same about A. Bligh. Look what happened to her. He doesn't appear to be on the winning side. I am sure he will fall flat on his face again after Sept 7th.

      Commenter
      J.G.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:20PM
    • @J. Fraser

      "But "Malik" I was only stating a fact.

      If I was going for a "witticism" I would start with your pseudonym.."

      Originality isn't your strong suit.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:26PM
    • @"Malik"

      But repetition is yours.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:43PM
    • The tagline I often use in conversation about the Coalition's NBN is, yesterday's technology tomorrow. Increasingly I wonder whether all their pamphlets and blue backgrounds etc should simply read, BRINGING YOU YESTERDAY TOMORROW.

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:57PM
    • @J. Fraser

      "@"Malik"

      But repetition is yours."

      Why thank you, I aim for consistency.

      It's the only way to get through to the typically brainwashed Labor supporter.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:58PM
    • Poor Fraser. Like Leigh Sales she has never recovered from being interviewed by John Laws. Yes, Sales did start the interview but Laws finished it. That's experience for you.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 4:01PM
    • Duh Brian, Don't you realise the earth is not flat. And CC is real. Do keep up.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:47PM
  • If you can't get a job as a used car salesman you can always go into politics.

    Commenter
    zac48
    Location
    Melb.
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 2:45PM
  • Be very careful with J.Swan’s figure, we have to take into account that our arable land is now only 44.024 million hectares having fallen to 6.14% of total land mass, realising 1.88 hectares per person; compared to the USA’s 163.66 million hectares of arable land.

    On an Australia-wide basis in 1993, it was estimated that less than 5,000 square km of agricultural land was affected by dryland salinity. By 1996, this estimate had increased to 25,000 square km(5), and this area was considered to be expanding at a rate of 3% to 5% per year. Hence soil salinity now affects 2.2 million hectares of what was arable land.

    Therefore foreign ownership of arable land = 2.42 million hectares, taking into account arable land that is now saline.

    It makes a big difference doesn’t it? How big is Australia now?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 2:42PM
    • Look, Pen, I'm not intending to have a go at you, but I wonder from your opinion the other day, and given what you're saying about arable land, especially foreign ownership being around 5.5% of arable land, do you still think biofuels is viable?

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:21PM
    • What are you on about? Every Labor voter knows that Australia is a land of great wealth and resources. That's why we don't need border protection. We should strive to double our population over the next three years. At least we know if Labor gets in they'll be striving for it.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:23PM
    • Totally wrong on all accounts Malik. Perpetual growth is Liberal doctrine. A big Australia is most definitely Liberal doctrine. But Labor aren't far behind with their "me too" policies.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:35PM
    • @Tone

      "A big Australia is most definitely Liberal doctrine. "

      Really? That must be why they've revised down our annual humanitarian intake from 20,000 to 13,500 (our pre-boat people disaster intake), while Labor is proposing to raise it to 26,000 people per-annum if they win office.

      Thanks for setting me straight.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:45PM
    • No Malik, that's racism.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:55PM
  • Abbott and Hockey being conservative about numbers, 12000 employees paid at $433333 (all benefits) Labors calculation 12000 employees paid at $233333.
    Hows labor wrong about a black whole? and why does Abbott think that there is 12000 P.S. being paid over $400000?

    Commenter
    Tim
    Location
    InnerCity
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 2:29PM
    • "paid at $433333"

      thats almost as much as the Dudd gets, jeez have I missed the boat or what.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:44PM
    • @TIm

      "Hows labor wrong about a black whole? "

      Labor*, hole*

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:48PM
    • It's over the forward estimates, you know 4 years, not one. You can't just divide the savings by the number of jobs. But thanks again for showing the skills in analysis labor have.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:50PM
    • Umm, @Tim, you have one too many zeros.

      The coalition claims the average wage of the 12,000 public servants that will be wittled down is $43,000 - not $430,000. The coalition are being conservative with that figure as it is actually about $15,000 higher than that.

      Labor claims the average public servant wage is $23,000 - not $230,000 per year as you wrote.

      I think labor and its treasury are again being loose with the truth.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:59PM
    • AR - Yes it's over 4 years but it's also due to "natural attrition" so most of the employees not replaced will have worked at least 1 year.
      If you averaged it out that they work 2 years then you can divide the figures above by 2 (I know this is rough) but if you did that you would get about $116K for the ALP figures and $216k for the libs - which one do you think is closer to the mark?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:06PM
    • I see your point 12000 people have to retire really really fast to save $5.2billion, but if I had the full costing of it, we could tell what factors hockey uses, otherwise I'll take Labors word that they've taken all the factors in

      Commenter
      Tim
      Location
      InnerCity
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:14PM
    • Macca75, as anyone with any business knowledge knows the cost of an employee is not just their salary. The PBO quote the average salary at $128k, which includes some of those costs. Considering that this policy is natural attrition then you would expect the majority to be from the top end of the salary range (ie retirees) so therefore the average would most likely be above the ps wide average. Add in additional costs associated with having these employees and you will definitely be closer to the $200k + mark.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:43PM
  • Hockey says "no cuts to health" but
    Abbott commits to a review of medicare locals and "can't guarantee they will be the same".

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 2:26PM
    • I am still waiting for the promised GP Super clinic to open in my area. The building looks finished on the outside but is a shell on the inside and at the moment is unable to get enough GP's to staff as the Federal Govt is refusing to allow overseas trained GP's to work there. There is an issue with parking as the local residences have complained to the council about where will people park once when the Clinic is opened.
      Another broken Rudd promise from 2007.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:48PM
    • That's the problem when you're a party of doers versus talkers. When you do things (Labor), people spend forever criticising. When all you do is talk (Liberal) then it's a bit hard for people to criticise their projects because there aren't any. Liberals are do nothing governments. What infrastructure projects did the Liberals do in their entire 11 years of government?

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:24PM
    • Tone (Melbourne) - Terry is correct in what he says - you just waffle on - typical ALP spin - the fact of the matter is that this is "true" - the Member for Petrie has been caught out with her flyers stating that this has been an ccomplishment of the ALP when in fact it hasn't been completed - and no amount of huffing and puffing on your part will change that

      Commenter
      Baltic13
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:36PM
    • Baltic13, they might be taking a while to be delivered, but they will be delivered eventually. It's better to try and fail than to never try at all. Liberals never try anything. They're useless expensive do nothing governments.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 4:00PM
  • Duh ACG, don't you know that AGW is now hiding out in the Pacific having a little pause? There's nothing to fret about. GlobalWarmingClimateChangeExtremeWeather is so last year.

    Commenter
    brian
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 2:22PM
    • Duh Brian, Don't you realise the earth is not flat. And CC is real. Do keep up.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:47PM
    • @A country gal?

      Climate change is real? Someone forgot to tell the Pakistanis and Chinese.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:00PM
  • The $70bn black hole has been found. It's the total payout by the bookies for the election favourite - LNP. Those silly bookies should have made the odds shorter to avoid such a massive payout. Winners are grinners though.

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 2:19PM
  • "Mr Rudd confirms that, if re elected, he will bring forward to 2015/16 the purchase of new vessels to replace the supply ships HMAS Success and HMAS Sirius."

    So Captain Kevvy, from where are you getting the money for this latest promise? Having supported your predecessor's budgets that have reduced defence spending below the level your own White Paper identified as the minimum for maintaining existing resources and personnel - how will you increase the defence budget to 2% of GDP?

    Commenter
    Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 2:19PM
    • Nobody is asking for Labor's election costings. Nobody apparently cares. It's not as much fun as hounding the opposition who are more vulnerable on costings.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:50PM
    • I want to know about the costings!
      costings costings costings!

      Commenter
      Anthony
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:51PM
    • They can put Bronwyn Bishop, and Julia Bishop, Cory Bernardi, Bob Katter, Fred Nile and Rudd on a boat to scare the refugee boats into turning around. It would save heaps of money

      Commenter
      Tim
      Location
      InnerCity
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:56PM
  • This campaign is very busy, lots of jetting about and hot air.

    How about each leader explain to the voters how much better or worse off the average wage earner will be in the next 2 years?

    It looks as if the carbon tax will be replaced by a lawyers tax, because if you are a professional on $180000 and have a child you'll be doing fine, perhaps they could make the policies a bit clearer so the rest of us can get an idea of how we'll be going!

    Commenter
    Rod
    Location
    the Coast
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 2:19PM
    • Are they just doing their bit to increase global warming? All the jetting and hot air...

      Commenter
      Rough-Ready
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:02PM
  • Mr Rudd confirms that, if re elected, he will bring forward to 2015/16 the purchase of new vessels to replace the supply ships HMAS Success and HMAS Sirius - there goes the budget being returned to surplus - another one liner that will sink (literally)

    Commenter
    Baltic13
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 2:16PM
  • I will not vote for any party that supports attacking the Syrian government.

    Why should our tax dollars be spent fighting alongside Al Qaeda rebels to help them overthrow Assad's government?

    Commenter
    Fred
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 2:15PM
    • Fair point. Apparently no one has learned the lessons of Egypt & Libya.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:53PM
  • 2.01 p.m. post: "Master and Commander".

    Sorry Steph, he's actually Captain Obvious.

    1.58 p.m. post: "This is a big piece of kit, it's huge," Mr Rudd says, gesturing towards the vessel behind him.

    It's only going to be one of the two largest vessels ever operated by the RAN. Thanks for the scoop Kevvy!

    Commenter
    Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 2:10PM
    • Captain Bligh or Moby Dick?

      Commenter
      NeoCon II
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:29PM
    • @ NeoCon: Probably Bligh - he was forcibly removed as ship's captain, set adrift in a boat with some loyal crew, and later rescued. Does the story sound familiar?

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:39PM
    • I'll pay that Tim!

      Commenter
      NeoCon II
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:19PM
  • "This is a big piece of kit, it's huge," Mr Rudd says gesturing towards the vessel behind him

    Don't worry Kev, its still tiny compared to your ego.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 2:02PM
    • SteveH.......You're into boats. Perhaps you could have a chat with Tony and pick yourself up an Indonesian fishing boat cheap. Perhaps that's Abbott's plan. Open up marine national parks and we all get one.

      Commenter
      Wanna buy a boat
      Location
      Would you believe a german shepard and a boy scout
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:10PM
    • I don't chat to politicians under any circumstances.

      As for boats and Indonesia, Rudd allowing the Oceanic Viking to held to ransom by a bunch of uarmed Sri Lankan's was one of the best adverts the people smugglers ever got.

      This clown can stand next to as many warships as he likes, but he hasn't got the ticker to ever use one.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:20PM
    • @SteveH

      "This clown can stand next to as many warships as he likes, but he hasn't got the ticker to ever use one."

      That's a bit harsh. I've heard he has no problem deploying rubber duckies while in a bathtub.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:39PM
    • Don't forget Rudd is going to deal with Bashar Al-Asaad of Syria. Go Kev! You teach them not to mess with the next chair of the G-20.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:59PM
  • Does Kim Carr not look like the ousted Egyptian President Morsi? Or is it just me!

    Commenter
    Peter G
    Location
    Drummoyne
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 1:58PM
    • @Peter G

      "Does Kim Carr not look like the ousted Egyptian President Morsi? Or is it just me!"

      He came in a few days ago on a 457 visa. His experience in failing to curb a popular revolt is being sought, so as to avoid a Labor electoral catastrophe.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:13PM
    • I just think it's funny that the man responsible for vehicle manufacturing has the name Carr

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:17PM
    • Is there a competition on this site among the Liberal lackeys to see who can make the most shallow and irrelevant comment to distract from Abbott's lies and his glowing endorsement of a homophobic school?

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:21PM
    • WW, you mean the same school supported by Garrett and Bradbury? I'm just having a little trouble recollecting all the faux outrage then, maybe you could point me in the right direction.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:53PM
  • One of the Coalition’s central claims about waste in the federal public service - that a department spent more than $180,000 studying ergonomic chairs - is wrong.

    The opposition did not check the accusations with the Department of Human Services before putting the claim on hundreds of thousands of dollars’ worth of campaign material and in the middle of Tony Abbott’s keynote speech to his campaign launch.

    DHS told Fairfax that $51,000 had been spent on workplace ergonomic assessments among its 36,000 workers and that nobody from the opposition had checked with the department before going public.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/key-coalition-claim-quashed-by-department-20130829-2ss7l.html#ixzz2dKL6Pmwp

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 1:56PM
    • Oh well, I guess they've only got to exaggerate by another $58,879,000 to compete with labor when it comes to BS.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:10PM
    • AR - As Hockey says "we all know the little things really add up"

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:13PM
    • Thanks for pointing this out. Interesting that the Liberals are still peddling the lie. But its nice to know that one of its lesser lackeys has come up with the same boring response:

      "We must only peddle our lies about Labor, not the truth about us."

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:23PM
    • Thats right macca75, a billion here, 10 billion there, 30 billion over there and before you know it we'll have nearly $200b net debt....
      Oops, labor already did that.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:08PM
  • Just heard Kevvy talking up a storm about the importance of manufacturing in this country.

    Pity about Ford eh Ruddy? I wonder who was in government when they decided to close shop....

    Commenter
    Malik the magic sheep
    Location
    Perth
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 1:56PM
    • By that logic , Rudd must be responsible for the record profits the Banks, Mining , Supermarkets made. Well done Kev. I suppose if Abbott was in power all those wankers would buy Australia cars not foreign cars.

      Commenter
      Tim
      Location
      InnerCity
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:19PM
    • @Tim

      "By that logic , Rudd must be responsible for the record profits the Banks, Mining , Supermarkets made."

      Lol, by that logic? How about you try applying some.

      Kev cares about those other sectors - he does not care about manufacturing - ergo my point.

      Now, what exactly are you on....about?

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:42PM
  • I trust the "teams" are off setting their carbon footprints with all this relentless and unnecessary crisis crossing the nation. Can't their "expert advisors" put a decent itinerary together?
    I can't see this type of behaviour is of any benefit to anyone ? Except for the fuel
    companies, air traffic controllers, caterers, aircraft maintence and on and on it goes the list wastefulness.
    Not to mention the unenvironmentally friendly practice.

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 1:56PM
    • Nice one ACG.. I wonder if any organisation would do the maths on the carbon footprint of each politicians. Like the fact checker or Pork O meter we could use a HeatChecker... *hint*

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:15PM
    • Yeah that Mile has been jet setting all around Australia. Bad Greens.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:21PM
    • The campaign's carbon footprint is offset by the cut in greenhouse gas emissions thanks to the carbon tax. I never thought I could feel so good about a tax while I freeze to death!

      Commenter
      Ma\
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:23PM
    • Maybe if Labor had delivered a national broadband network they could just stay in their offices and Skype local communities to announce policies.

      However the hypocrisy of the Greens is astounding. For all their puerile bleating about climate change, not one of them rides a bike to work and instead wait for a Comcar.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:34PM
    • ma\, Not the point. The price on carbon was designed to alter behaviour by means of the hip pocket. it is just totally unwarranted behaviour by them all and not setting a good example. Sure fly around and sell your message but their trips zig zagging and backtracking the nation would now appear akin to a kids scribblIng with crayons on the map.
      And isn't the economy in dire straits?

      Eis E, Mile [sic] Predictable comment. Her trips by comparison microscopic.
      And I aim this comment at all of them.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:43PM
    • The media love it

      Commenter
      Tim
      Location
      InnerCity
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:45PM
    • No if we had fast trains they could travel around on them like French politicians do.

      Commenter
      amro
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:11PM
  • Good to see Kev had the "A" team on crunching the LNP numbers:
    Penny "already over $1b wrong" Wong & Chris "no clue how to stop the boats - please move me" Bowen.
    But this time I'm sure they'll be right!

    Commenter
    beasleyst
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 1:54PM
    • It was the dept of finance, the reasury and the PBO who did the number crunching - are you saying a liberal govt would sack 3 entire departments?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:10PM
    • There's plenty wrong with Penny Wong's figures!!

      Commenter
      Plenty Wrong
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:12PM
    • Treasury has not got the figures right for 6 years - it looks they got them wrong again.

      For 12,000 public servant workers to only cost $2.8 billion, that means their average pay plus super is about $28,000 per year.

      Sounds like another treasury 'oops' moment.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:26PM
    • KP - TReasury were just as wrong under Howard

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:40PM
    • No they weren't Macca, treasury were never out by $30 billion in year.

      I hope we aren't going to get into a 'Yes they were' / 'No they weren't'.

      But I am glad you agree with the point they were wrong on their savings calculations for the coalition.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:03PM
    • Macca75, the difference being that under the coalition the assumptions were all conservative and therefore the estimates came in under actual which meant there was more money in the bank.
      Labor have used pie in the sky forecasts and spent all the money before they collect it. They moved money to different years to try and manufacture a surpluss and still failed by $20b.
      But according to you nothing labor does is wrong, including racking up nearly $300b debt, but a rushed estimate by labor of an $11b whole over 4 years is a sign of coalition incompetence.
      Good to see you have consistent standards.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:15PM
  • I wonder if the Fairfax journo's get sick of writing costings stories every 5 mins.
    70 bill. 30 bill, 10 bill, 70 bill 20 bill
    He said, Penny said, Kevin said, Bowen said....

    Commenter
    Ricky
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 1:51PM
    • Ricky, that's just how the ALP do their budget forecasts each year too.

      Commenter
      dRod
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:55PM
    • Fairfax coverage of the election campaign can be summed up in 1 word.
      Costings.

      Commenter
      Ian
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:17PM
  • It’s all over red rover, Centrebet have already played out single bets placed before August 28th on a coalition win, The Coalition are at better odds than that of Black Caviar, only slightly better, as there was still a chance the jockey could fall off the horse, well folks, the jockey fell of this Labor horse a long time ago.

    Commenter
    Peter G
    Location
    Drummoyne
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 1:51PM
  • I like Mike Carlton's article dated August 3rd about vested interests supporting the Liberal Party.

    From the article:
    "It's the Liberals who took Australia into World Wars I and II. Malaya. Korea. Vietnam. Iraq. And Afghanistan. At Lockheed Martin, we're confident they'll do it again. Anywhere on the planet there's a war going, the Coalition will get us there.

    So for more war, vote one: Tony Abbott. And the Liberals"

    How very true. The right wing always start wars and the left wing have to clean up the mess.

    Commenter
    Tone
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 1:47PM
    • Yeah its all about the Liberals' vested interests. Best not mention anything about Obama's PR team here helping little Ruddy with hiss mess eh?

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:55PM
    • So Tone, you would not have got involved with WW1 or WW2? How about Korea? You didn't mention East Timor. And assuming your premise is valid, your concluding statement is exactly what the Coalition has to contend with financially - the ALP spends recklessly and denies there's a problem, the Coalition has to fix it...

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:05PM
    • We had 11 years of Howard government and they have absolutely nothing to show for it, other than a never ever ever GST, the most regressive and largest tax in Australian history, a war in Afganistan and Iraq, and the selling of most of Australia's assets.

      Was there anything, anything at all to do with building infrastructure? I don't recall the Liberals ever having any ounce of vision and desire to build the nation.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:22PM
    • @Tone

      You should have a chat with the East Timorese.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:40PM
    • Why Malik, did they do anything the build the Australian nation? Did they build Australian infrastructure? The Liberals were rolling in money, but didn't do anything.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:13PM
  • Wow, an outright False for Hockey's claims about the public service today. Who would have thought?

    Did his lips move?

    Commenter
    Tone
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 1:39PM
    • Wow, his claim was actually rated as mostly true by politifact who didn't arbitrarily remove the numbers for defense, who are by the way part of the ps payroll, because it doesn't fit the editorial standpoint of the paper they're checking facts for

      http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/may/13/tony-abbott/abbott-says-public-service-had-grown-20000-under-l/

      They also rated as false lundys claim that the coalition are going to cut 20000 jobs.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:05PM
    • Already reflected, the article clearly states:

      A PolitiFact rating of "false" applies where a statement is not accurate.
      PolitiFact rates Hockey's claim "false".

      You don't get any more false than that.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:16PM
    • So Tone, I know you're one for a good conspiracy theory. Why has politifact changed its rating now when the only discernible difference in the numbers is their arbitrary removal of defense numbers? This is a judgement of interpretation not of fact but seems to fit in well with the increasingly strong editorial support of labor from Fairfax.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:54PM
    • Quite simply:
      One was a statement that the public sector payroll has increased by 20,000. That was true. But deceptive.

      The other was Hockey saying that the number of people in the public servants had increased by 20,000. That was most definitely false.

      The deceptiveness of the first figure was due to a shifting of responsibility for defence force personnel. The total defence force personnel didn't change, but was reflected as additional personnel in the Liberal analysis.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 4:08PM
    • How is it deceptive when it is the number stated in the budget papers about the public sector, defense force included. The libs didn't change the figures, you're just grasping at straws.
      By the way I haven't seen the same level of criticism from you about the outright, indefensible lies by Rudd that the libs are outspending labor 10 to 1 in advertising, when in fact labor have spent more. What about lundys claim of cuts of 20000, also shown as false, or every labor memeber claiming a $70b black hole repeatedly even after it is conclusively shown as a lie? In fact labor are doing far worse in the fact checker stakes. C'mon Tone, show some outrage!

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 4:51PM
  • Did Kevin announce his plan to move the Williamstown Dockyard to Birdsville or is he saving that for later?

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 1:36PM
    • No, but I hear Westgate is being extended to Devonport.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:46PM
    • SteveH........Apparently Abbott intends building a dock yard in Indonesia to house the 750,000 fishing boats he has ordered.

      Commenter
      Captain Nemo
      Location
      I'm applying
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:48PM
    • At least he'll have something to show for the money, all Kevin is getting for our money is more Centrelink customers.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:59PM
    • @SteveH

      "all Kevin is getting for our money is more Centrelink customers."

      ..and the customer is always right... unless they're on benefits. Then they're always left.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:10PM
    • Any truth to the rumour that Therese will be christening Kevvy's big new ship as HMAS Masterchef?

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:22PM
  • A prominent member of the Liberal Party (worth $34 million dollars at the time) once told me that they didn't care about poor people because poor people aren't productive.

    Commenter
    Tone
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 1:36PM
    • Gee, thats amazing story Tone, you know a prominant member of the Labor Party told the entire country he didn't want to be the Prime Minister anymore.

      And yet he went on to challenge for job and is now trying to elected as PM

      I guess he was lying.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:45PM
    • ...and he's worth a lot more than $34 million.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:55PM
    • Tone, I have finally worked it out, every morning you J.Fraser, Buffalo Bill, Macca75, and Whyalla Wipeout go down to the union office and pick up what the faceless men want them to write. However it looks as though J.Fraser and Whyalla Wipeout make up their own rubbish.

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:22PM
    • thepres I am too much of a rebel, and I don't think the unions would have me, not that I would want that anyway. I do have a lot of respect for the unions, given that without them we wouldn't have the standard of living that we have today.

      17% of the population belong to unions and try to get representation from the Labor Party. That's opposed to the Liberal Party who represent the top 1% of Australians - the mega-rich. I think a broad church of 17% of the population is far broader than a broad church of the wealthiest 1% of Australians.

      By the way, I move in circles that are more Liberal than Labor. I find Liberals far more selfish than Labor people.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 4:13PM
  • In 2011/12, the GGS sector employed 261,700 ASL (at average staffing levels). Refer Budget13 at BP1, Statement 6, Table C5.

    For 2012/13, Budget13 estimated ASL at 258,600.

    Budget14 (May13) updated the 2012/13 ASL levels at 256,600, and estimated the 2013/14 ASL levels within the GGS at 257,400, up 800 on the revised 2012/13 levels, but down 1,200 over the May13 originally forecast levels.

    The various Minutes issued today by RGR are therefore wrong.

    TA is saying that the GGS ASL levels under him will be 12,000 lower than what they are currently at. That is, a lasting, permanent GGS ASL level in the 240 – 245,000 range.

    Assuming an even phased reduction, via natural attrition, over time suggests a net 3,000 reduction each year.

    Now, further, assuming an even handed within year approach yields a 1,500 average reduction throughout 2013/14, 4,500 (2014/15), 7,500 (2015/16), and 10,500 (2016/17).

    Equally, adopting Finance’s 29Jul13 stated average salary of $92,500 (wages + super) (with annual 3.1% increase factored in), the adjusted figures become:
    • 2013/14 - $140M;
    • 2014/15 - $430M;
    • 2015/16 - $740M;
    • 2016/17 - $1070M;
    • 2017/18 - $1.25B.

    This implies a Forward Estimates reduction of $2.41 Billion, then recurring at $1.75B.

    Payroll Tax equivalency, etc, adds to this.

    That’s using the “average” W&S rate throughout the GGS ASL levels.

    Take however the higher $128,000 APS rate stated by the PBO (11Apr13) and the figures become:
    • 2013/14 - $195M;
    • 2014/15 - $595M;
    • 2015/16 - $1.02B;
    • 2016/17 - $1.47B;
    • 2017/18 - $1.75B.

    That’s a Forward Estimates value of $3.28B, then recurring at >$1.75B.

    So, smoothed reductions over time earns a Forward Estimates saving of $2.4B - $3.3B.

    Accelerated reductions might however increase this by 50% ($3.6 - $5B).

    Commenter
    Grant
    Location
    Mitcham
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 1:36PM
  • I find it amazing that within 24 hours Labor can definitively provide detailed analysis of the coalition’s policy costing. In only one night Wong Bowen and Rudd worked it all out. It is an incredible mathematical feat. Almost like a super power. If they could’ve worked out how to use this super power when preparing Budget numbers rather than only having mathematical ability when analysing opposition numbers. They might not be facing such a landslide defeat…

    Commenter
    Cwitty
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 1:26PM
    • And if only Hockey wasn't so incredibly incompetent economically, we'd have a choice.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:31PM
    • Cwitty..........Treasury checked the costing's. Good to see you try and spin it though and try and take some of the heat for Abbott and Hockey. I await Abbott and Hockey's disparaging dismissal of the nations treasury department again.

      Commenter
      Witty? I think not
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:37PM
    • Cwitty, I share your amazement. However, there is a reason for severe doubt. Console yourself (and then perhaps cry loudly) with the knowledge that this is the same Treasury who appeared to be advising Wayne Swan - the man who promised at least two surpluses. The same Treasury who came up with one deficit for the May Budget but then had to come up with another, increased figure less than three months later.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:38PM
    • I noticed that the other day. Hockey had hardly sat down from speaking and Wong was stepping up to a press conference to comment.
      It's is if Labor just sit all day waiting to reply to the Coalition's announcements. Nothing else. Just whinge and whinge and whinge. Nothing to offer nothing to sell just whinge. How many more days until they're chucked out? 8?

      Commenter
      Alicia
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:38PM
    • When you have the woman who delivered $107B in deficits doing the arithmetic then anything is possible! I wouldn't have any faith in her abacus though, there are a few beads missing.

      Commenter
      Airato
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:41PM
    • Dammit, the Liberals should have waited until the last day when nobody had time to suss out their lies.

      Because that is what they are hiding. That is why they won't release anything. When this self-proclaimed party of fiscal rectitude is asked for their figures, they say they will do the same as their political opponents. What a joke.

      Oh, and there is no mystery. Labor has had the figures on most of this stuff for a long time. After all PPL has been on the Liberals book for a while. And it really does not take long to work through a two page simple table with no detail.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:43PM
    • Cwitty - You see when the govt announce a policy it get's tresury, the dept of finance and/or the PBO to cost it, so when that policy is cut and the opposition say it will save $X billions the govt have their costings already done which say it was only going to cost $Y billions - it isn't surprising at all.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:49PM
    • @Cwitty

      "I find it amazing that within 24 hours Labor can definitively provide detailed analysis of the coalition’s policy costing."

      It's called an abacus.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:58PM
    • @ WW: You mean, they should have done what the ALP did in 2010? Release them on the Friday right before the election?

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:59PM
    • Macca, WW, Labor Glee Club, Et al,
      They may be right. I may be Crazy (sing along at home) "and it just may be a lunatic they’re looking for.... "
      I am prepared to assume they are correct. As you all have. My issue is that out of all the numbers they could have got right the only one they worry about is opposition costing’s.. 6 Budgets 6 MYEFO's countless updates over the best part of a decade and today is the first time they have got a number correct. Apparently.

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:07PM
    • cwitty and the other low-level Liberal lackeys: The fact is that the workings, including the assumptions, behind all the previous Budget statements and updates were out there for anyone to see.

      The Liberals are issuing one line numbers and hiding behind the reputations of those who cannot speak. Yes, if all the Liberals can say to criticisms of their non-figures is to tell us all to look at Labor, they are no better than what they claim about Labor.

      In fact, they are a lot worse. They are so cowardly that they are not prepared to even show the vaguest pathway back to surplus. Like every second-rate conman in history, they bamboozle with big words but never answer the question.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:27PM
  • Bookies lament :

    $235,463.23 cents to 6 cents that Abbott will not release his costings for his 200 policies today.

    The bookies are saying :

    "'I'm prepared to take a little hit, just once, just to get you on the gambling hook, in the hope that I can then shake you down for decades to come!'

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/tom-waterhouse-loses-defamation-case-against-peter-fitzsimons-20130828-2sq1u.html#ixzz2dKCVOTzc

    And Fitzy and Fairfax Media had a win.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 1:23PM
    • @ J Fraser - Another bookie's delight: your alternative journal is reporting that a particular on-line betting agency is showing Coalition $1.03, ALP $11.50. Part of the headline reads, "Coalition now into Black Caviar-like odds to win election".

      BTW, what odds have you received for your famous 10-seat prediction? Or has that bet been cancelled due to a "steward's inquiry" and subsequent "disqualification" of the "jockey"?

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:53PM
    • Tim - fantastic response, could not have done it better myself.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:12PM
  • I've just realised. I can't lose.

    If Rudd wins I get the government that I believe will give the best results for the country, its future and its people.

    If Abbot wins, being on an above average salary, I will get a better deal for me.

    Commenter
    Casa
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 1:18PM
    • @Casa

      If its the latter ..... have a baby ... have a $75k baby.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:25PM
    • Hang on... I thought it was only for Billionaires. Are you saying that women on average or better than average wages will be better off? Wow it looks like me AND the labor party has learned some things today…

      1. Some women earn more than the minimum wage (Mind blowing)
      2. Mums on average wages will be better off with Tony.

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:37PM
    • I wouldn't be too smug, Casa. The Liberals' policies are going to screw a lot of people they have convinced to vote for them.

      I personally think that things are going to get worse over the next three years for the Australian economy no matter who is elected.

      It's just that the Liberal policies are more damaging and stupid by a long shot. And if a Labor Opposition (together with Senate non-conservatives) go even halfway to giving Abbott the sheer bloody-minded nation-damaging negativity that he has lived by for almost 4 years, then Labor will be welcomed back with open arms by the electorate (minus Rudd of course).

      Like the recession we had to have (which subsequently set the foundations for the longest period of growth in Australia's history), this may well be election loss that Labor has to have.

      But it will be fun to see all the people duped by meaningless slogans start to do their home and small business budgets and discover what being badly off is really all about.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:40PM
    • We may go for several. Got to squeeze them in 3 years.

      Commenter
      Casa
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:45PM
    • Casa go IVF and try for triplets. Plenty of spare cash for the au pair on slave wages and the baby bonus would help top up.
      Careful what sex you chose though, wages are still lower for females but the PPL would counteract some of the disparity.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:14PM
    • Wyalla 1.40pm - perhaps the wisest words of the day! Mr Fruit and I have been consoling ourselves with the notion that this election is probably a good one to lose...that it may be in Labor's interest to throw the game, so to speak. (I'm now imagining the funny scenario of trying to lose - say, come up with wacko policies and holes in costings - but turning the result around. Hell, it seems to be working for the Coalition!)

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:36PM
  • Personally I don't like forums as I find them to be stage managed, however I did think that some of the questions from voters were much better than the questions journalists ask at interviews. Like everyone, I wished someone had asked Rudd a) how he and his govt had planned to pay back the debt they say they had to incur after promising to reach a surplus 5 years in a row and failing; b) based labor's performance in this area how they could expect voters to believe they could do it any time soon. Fortunately it looks like we will never know.

    Commenter
    meres
    Location
    griffith
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 1:16PM
    • At least the ALP are trying to get to a surplus ASAP. The LNP are in no hurry - 10 years and a prayer.

      Commenter
      Casa
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:20PM
    • Thats hilarious Casa, Labor 'plans' are worthless than the Brutopian Rouble.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:26PM
    • @meres

      You can ask Abbott any (and as many) questions as you like.

      But the last 3 years have shown that Abbott does not answer questions.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:27PM
    • I feel like a politician repeating myself, but I suppose it does have merrit.
      I once sold all my biggest assests (due to an interstate move) and had $100 000 in the bank (surplus) instead of the $400 000 debt before. It made me feel rich.
      Since then the property market has more than doubled and with me not having the 'debt' (my house), I'm now way way worse off.
      I know it's a simple example, but having cash in the bank is not what makes us as a nation rich.
      Having a proper vision for the future, having proper education, having proper infrastructure, having proper health services, that is what makes us rich.

      That being said, there should always be checks and balances to hit hard on reckless spending. Maybe, just maybe, the current opposition is not a bad opposition in that way... maybe we should keep them there.

      Commenter
      Prosper
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:31PM
    • The last 3 years show Rudd is a backstabbing, two faced, lying, destabilsing danger to the ALP and this country.
      I'm sure the Labor Ministers themselves will tell us all about it after the election.

      Commenter
      Allan
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:42PM
    • There's the credibility gap in action. Labor "plans" to get a surplus (which was actually forecast a whole year earlier in the May budget) and the Liberals are being honest and saying that they will do it when they can.

      Let us not forget the over 200 instances where Labor "guaranteed" to have a surplus in 2012/2013... and there's going to be a $30 billion deficit.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 4:06PM
  • Whether Rudd's concern over foreign ownership of agricultural land is new found anxiety or not is irrelevant. That the figure is 5.8% is what we should be anxious about, without checks and balances, strong legislation that figure will only increase. Address it now before that figure rises. Living in the coal face of these buy ups is the fact it is not just individuals or businesses acquiring our land it is countries/nations. Qatar have acquired enormous tracts of land near here, they disregard environmental overlays/regulations (what Abbott considers Green Tape) and are prepared just to pay the huge fines. They do not adhere to best animal husbandry practices. they want food security for their Nations, not us.
    Cubbie is oft quoted due to it's singular size- it's the smaller holdings being sold to offshore interests we must keep our eye on and legislate to curb the practice.
    So many of our companies are already at the whim of their global owners. SPC a case in point- CCA doesn't give a damn about communities, families, jobs.
    Addressing this is of high priority and timely.

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 1:16PM
    • Well said, ACG. I am also concerned that the 5.8% is based on 2010 figures. 3 years out of date. Don't we have current figures??!?

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:22PM
    • Spot on - we can only hope the Nats take this up as a serious situation and put pressure on Abbott. I'm sure Abbott's aware of all this but unfortunately it hasn't been an election issue. The solution lies with the Nats - not sure their view on this though.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:34PM
    • Lewis, just watched Katters clip- he says 30% and quotes "arable agricultural land". There may lie the answer and huge disparity in %.
      How the figures are reached eg what type of land. And how the companies/nations/owners are registered? Perhaps?
      Much of the North's ownership is not as purported- being owned by families, that was used politically during the live export fiasco- it is hedge funds, banks, OS interests and some families.
      Watch the Katter interview.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:44PM
    • Tim, The Nats supposedly have it as a policy but they are seriously asleep at the wheel. as I said yesterday Tim, haven't even had a blurb from them.
      Katter rightly points out that both Abbott and Rudd are all for Chinese development of the North. Rudd quotes the Ord River scheme- now predominatly Chinese. Abbott whilst trying to secure Katters prefs slips up by wanting freehold not leasehold available to the Chinese.
      Katters a bit nutty IMO but on this issue he is 100% correct.
      I won't hold my breath on The Nats they play second fiddle just to exist- NBN a case in point.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:07PM
    • Best hope is probably Barnaby, especially if he takes over from Truss as Deputy PM. Barnaby is not afraid of calling a spade a spade. He was highly critical of Cubby Station at the time.
      Time will tell.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:27PM
  • Bill Glasson will make a great new Member for Griffith and it's current member will have time to do whatever he likes in retirement.

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 1:08PM
    • Actually I reckon the Coalition could do a lot worse than to appoint Rudd our man at the UN.

      He would do a good job for Australia and keeps him close to any senior UN roles that may come along in the meantime.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:18PM
    • I think the UN Security Council would veto any appointment of Rudd to the UN. No one wants to work with him, not even his colleagues.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:27PM
    • Tim, you would be right, except for one thing. The Coalition has a terrible track record for decency and bipartisanship. Whereas Labor appointed ex-Liberals and National Party members to important positions, the Liberals have never done so that I can recall. The Libs are the ultimate Jobs for the Boys party.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:27PM
    • @WW - I don't think anyone could dispute that Rudd is the best qualified person we have to represent us at the UN - It would actually be a smart move by the coalition to go down that track - if Rudd decides to give up his seat after the election.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:42PM
    • It would be a smart move Tim, but hatred of the other side runs deep in the Coalition. I still cannot recall anyone Howard appointed to anything that was not in some way or the other a fellow traveller with the Liberals.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:33PM
  • Abbott has just released his education policy at a school that 'teaches' that homosexuality is an 'abomination'.

    Tell me that is not a coincidence...

    Do they ban mention of Frosty the Snowman?

    Because, as we know, all snowmen are also abominable.

    I think inculcating young minds with hate and talk of abominations is just about the ultimate abomination.

    I trust such repellent teachings do not receive Federal funding?

    Commenter
    Hans von Schlappenplanker
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 1:07PM
    • Well, a central plank of the Liberal's policy is support the conversion of state schools to more narrow-minded institutions preaching hatred.

      I wonder how many young people will have their lives destroyed by being sent to schools like this that treat their natural sexuality as a disease and a crime against God.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:30PM
    • Ah yes, you mean the same school that Garrett and Bradbury have both been happy to use for announcements before without anyone questioning its statement of faith. Desperation calls for desperate measures from labor and it's supporters.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:44PM
    • Keep the smears up boys, only a few more days to go.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:53PM
    • Hans, just another indication of the Tea Party influence.
      I wonder whose been visiting Hillsong, quite a few policy announcement possibilities and votes there.

      WW, I just had a visual of Abbott "planking" to prove what a daggy dad he is.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:29PM
    • Have they AR? More fool them then.

      But how do you know this? Are you associated with this abomination of a school preaching hatred under the mantle of Christianity?

      Or are you making it up, the way the Liberals make up all their lies - like the public service numbers?

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:30PM
    • Actually, I am NOT a Labor supporter. I would rather stick my head in an oven.

      If Garret and Bradbury used that school for similar announcements, it says more about them than it does about Labor supporters generally.

      If such schools want to teach crackpot discriminatory ideas no one is stopping that, just don't expect taxpayers to foot the bill.

      Commenter
      Hans von Schlappenplanker
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 4:02PM
  • Abbott on Syria...
    "Some kind of sanctions would be merited, no doubt about that," Mr Abbott says.
    Sanctions? Abbott appears to be 2 years behind the game. Imagine Abbott and Barack Obama having a serious conversation.

    Commenter
    Abbott is never going to be up to it
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 1:00PM
    • I want to see the video of the conversation!

      Second thoughts, maybe not. It would make me ashamed to ever travel again.

      Commenter
      Casa
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:07PM
    • We won't be able travel again. First press conference overseas umm ahhh errr it's going to be embarrassing, plus Bishop the younger as Foreign Minister

      Commenter
      amro
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:27PM
  • Abbott a charlatan, can't understand why his party pick him to be thier leader.
    He

    Commenter
    Billy
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 12:58PM
    • Because you never put the best person in the leadership position, unless you are behind in the polls.Standard operating procedure.

      Commenter
      Casa
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:16PM
  • Today's episode of Fact Checker is a bit old hat. That was on PolitiFact quite some time ago who rated it "Mostly False"

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 12:56PM
    • We now have more information and Abbott has gone from "Mostly False" to "Totally False".

      Commenter
      Casa
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:09PM
    • Actually politifact rated his claim mostly true in may.

      http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/may/13/tony-abbott/abbott-says-public-service-had-grown-20000-under-l/

      In Martin's check today he arbitrarily removes defense personnel from his numbers. You may want to argue that your interpretation would not have included defense. But your interpretations do not change the facts that under labor the numbers have increased by 20000.

      And this also does not run contrary to increased defense spending as that would be more focused on equipment and technology.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:56PM
    • You're right AR. I wonder why PolitiFact changed its rating? The info & details in all three stories are pretty much the same. The only difference is in the weighting given to the inclusion of defense force personnel.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:10PM
  • Syria at war turbulence time.Kevin Rudd is
    An experience foreign affair minister ,Bob Carr is well inform minister .clueless JuliaBishop are not up to it. They capable to handle crisis.

    Commenter
    Singh
    Location
    Harris park
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 12:50PM
    • I dont know why I am replying to your message, singh as it doesnt really make any sense. But from what I am able to de-code, you have no idea about Foreign Policy. Doesnt matter how much experience Rudd or Carr have, they will be talking to a brick wall, because no-one will be listening to them, whether or not Australia is president of the UN for the month or not.

      Commenter
      Foreign Policy advisor
      Location
      Yazd
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:19PM
  • All those questions last night from the immigrants in the Western Suburbs last night were good.

    Although I did happen to notice that White Anglo Saxon "Protestants" appeared to be over represented.

    Maybe that is why Abbott lost.

    Their "heartland" was not there.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 12:50PM
    • Sportsbet out on the Federal election LNP victory. Gee Fraser you can go collect half of your each way bet today and not have to wait 10 more days.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:05PM
  • Hockeynomics saving,cut 1200 jobs save
    5.2 billions dollars, who are they, CEO

    Commenter
    Old Mary
    Location
    Westies
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 12:46PM
  • Rudd on ABC 24 this morning - he called Tony Abbott “a liar, not fit to be a leader and cannot be trusted”. Look what happened in Qld when Anna Bligh played the man and not the party - what about "no ifs no buts I will not challenge for the leadership - take a long cold shower - Kevin Rudd is getting more desperate by the day - how could anyone believe anything he says? While on this subject, Penny Wong ranting about the Coalition's costings - when did the ALP get its costings right - NEVER - and where is the world's greatest ex-treasurer (Wayne Swan) - ready to dump on Kevin Rudd when the election is over

    Commenter
    Baltic13
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 12:44PM
    • Baltic, Abbott laid the same claims on Gillard in coward's castle. And she had more integrity in her little finger than Abbott has in his whole body.

      What is it with you right-wingers - you can give in spades, but you can't take? Trademark bully behaviour.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:50PM
    • WW - Your quote "And she had more integrity in her little finger than Abbott has in his whole body" - I will not knife Kevin in the back to resume the leadership - there will be no carbon tax under I govt I lead >>> - do you want to me to keep going - thought not

      Commenter
      Baltic13
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:03PM
    • These are all lies and misrepresentations spread by the Liberals. Julia Gillard did not say she would not oppose Kevin Rudd, unlike what world class backstabber Abbott did to Turnbull. And she did make clear she supported a carbon price - which is what we got.

      The big difference though, is that only Abbott voted against giving the Malaysian people swap a chance because it might work. And then he opposed the recommendations of the expert panel (which was even more expert than its expert adders up). As a result, hundreds of people have since died trying to get to Australia in unsafe boats. In my opinion, Abbott has what he accused Labor of having - blood on his hands.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:45PM
  • Hockeynomics saving,cut 1200 jobs save
    5.2 billions dollars, who are they, CEO

    Commenter
    Old Mary
    Location
    Westies
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 12:43PM
  • Poor old Abbott must have forgotten about "stability" when he started talking about foreign ownership.

    Barny must have been apoplectic last night.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 12:34PM
  • Hey Liberal Lovers, Abbott is preaching to school children (Photo @ 11:54). They other day you were having a go at Rudd for doing the same, but today you are silent? I thought kids didn't vote.

    Commenter
    Tone
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 12:25PM
    • @Tone

      Please don't put them on the spot.

      They might start hyperventilating with their handbags.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:32PM
    • He was announcing the Coalition's education policy. He wasn't announcing infrastructure or his latest thought bubble to a preschool audience.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:33PM
    • Abbott does not spend each day of the campaign sitting in sandpits with toddlers, sitting on mats in primary schools and surrounding himself with school kids for selfies as Rudd does. Abbott is in a school today to announce education policy. Where else would you suggest he makes that announcement?
      Abbott is campaigning day in day out in the real world of business and manufacturing.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:36PM
    • Abbott campaigning on the odd occasion in a school is acceptable, after all education is a major part of politics. However, using primary schools as a campaign headquarters as does Rudd - Well, thats just weird and creepy

      Commenter
      M&M's
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:36PM
    • JFraser, I thought only the Labor hit squad carried handbags.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:37PM
    • There is a big difference!

      Rudd talks with his hand.

      Abbott talks with an educated mind set.

      Rudd only preforms with his hand and his mouth!

      Very frightening for the children. We will be facing class action for trauma by Rudd to the children in the future.

      Every day of the election is like watching South Park.

      Ask Kev why he always starts with "You know something" I am sure he is trying to be Kyle when we all know he is Mr. Garrison!

      Commenter
      4Ken
      Location
      Auburn
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:42PM
    • Nulla.....Would that be Labors policy anyway. The LNP have never had a true education policy other than flag poles and anthems. So did Pyne still state he wants to sack 1 in 7 teachers?

      Commenter
      Mr Opus
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:42PM
    • Tim, no, its the women Abbott surrounds himself with who carries the handbags. Abbott just sneers about Labor to distract from the fact that he has his own handbag hit squad - Julie B, Bronwyn B, Sophie and his two darling daughters, ready to repel any allegation of sexism against Rambo.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:43PM
    • But "Timmy" don't you have one ?

      Your mob are always talking about it.

      Must be time for you to catch up.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:44PM
    • At least they are not the "rent a crowd" in some child care centre the ALP brought out

      Commenter
      Baltic13
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:46PM
    • Poor Mr Opus, how on earth can Pyne sack any teachers when the Commonwealth doesn't employ any?

      The real question about education funding cuts is why the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd governments cut funding over the forward estimates for schools as well as universities? As for flagpoles at least schools could choose whether they wanted them or not. Unlike the BER farce where you got a giant tin shed for a million dollars whether you wanted it or not!

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:49PM
    • Wow, didn't expect that response - must've hit a raw nerve. Who would have thought I'd get so many replies just by calling you out on your hypocrisy.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:17PM
    • Nulla .....A little more listening and a little less cheerleading.
      http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/garrett-ridicules-plan-to-sack-teachers/story-e6frfku9-1226451169469
      It would appear that you are wrong again.

      Commenter
      Mr Opus
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:26PM
  • So it appears that Abbott,Hockey and Robb have (at this stage) a 10 Billion dollar black hole in their "savings" - no wonder they dont want to release more "policies".

    The 70 Billion dollar black hole previously announced by Hockey and Robb is looking more real by the hour.

    Commenter
    zacca
    Location
    adelaide
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 12:24PM
  • Today’s election menu is totally devoid of the word climate so far? Meanwhile:

    2013 boasts:

    • Australia’s hottest day on record
    • Australia’s hottest week on record
    • Australia’s hottest month on record
    • Australia’s hottest summer on record

    The result has been a national mean temperature anomaly of +1.03°C for the past 10 months, well ahead of the previous record of + 0.94 °C set in 1997-98.”

    “The Times of India reported that the state of Hyderabad’s 500 sunstroke deaths in just three days is the highest such death toll in recent history.”

    June 2013: “Alaska’s all-time record high was set on Tuesday in Talkeetna, when temperatures spiked at 96 degrees.”

    July 2013: “Up to 760 people in England have died as a result of the current heat-wave, figures show, and the death toll is set to rise further still.”

    July 2013: “A severe heatwave that hit Japan a week ago has claimed at least a dozen lives, reports said Friday.”

    Aug.2013: “Record-breaking temperatures have been searing large swaths of China, resulting in dozens of heat-related deaths.”

    Climate realities?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 12:22PM
    • @"Pen"

      Have a good look at this :

      http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/australias-first-carbon-neutral-building-unveiled-20130829-2ss21.html

      This is what I am into .... but the LNP puts up so many barriers.

      Because the Abbott squad do not believe in climate change.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:37PM
  • Chris Pyne says the education debate has been stuck on funding, but that's because funding and resources determine educational opportunities. Well resourced communities never suffer from lack of resources and as for disadvantaged communities - well the Coalition doesn't - and never has - given a toss about them. All PUBLIC services will have funding issues under the Coalition. Chris Pyne is on record claiming there is no equity issue in school funding. Leopards do not change their spots - unless they are electioneering and then it's only temporary.

    Commenter
    Ize
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 12:15PM
    • Ize,the idea that more funding automatically equals better educational outcomes has been categorically debunked by recent history. This is exactly why there needs to be discussion on a 'higher plane' about education policy in this country.

      Commenter
      Hamish
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:23PM
    • There's been a lot of research and meta-analysis which shows that funding is not the most important factor in determining educational outcomes. But under Labor, what the unions demand, the unions get.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:34PM
    • Interesting interview with the Principal of St Peters (Adelaide's oldest private school) this morning. St Peters has educated 10 Premiers and is deemed elitist. He promoted that public schools deserve a bigger slice of funding due to the inequalities and disadvantage students face. One very honest, realistic and selfless appraisal of the funding situation.
      Try telling that to old school tie Pyne.
      Time we heard a bit more about Christopher Pyne.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:40PM
    • From what I understand, the best single move to increase education is teacher/pupil ratios. Unless teachers are free, more funding translates to better education.

      Commenter
      Casa
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:42PM
    • The Liberal Party are devoted to private health and education, always have been. People can vote for them and people will, but they need to be aware that unless they have children in private schools or have private health funding, they are voting against their own interests.Abbott, Pyne. Hockey and Joyce are devoted ex-private school people who don't give a rats about the public system.

      Commenter
      juletjones
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:53PM
    • Casa, that is simply untrue. In Australia outcomes have been going steadily south at the same time as teacher to student ratios have declined significantly.

      Commenter
      Hamish
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:19PM
    • Hamish, I'd be interested in your source. I'd also be interested in the reference. If it's other countries, maybe they are spending more on education than we are.

      Commenter
      Casa
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:23PM
    • Casa, here is an article which covers some of the work done by current ALP pollie Andrew Leigh as well as the Productivity Commission... http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/testing-times-for-education/story-e6frg6z6-1226624780567

      There is also some rebuttal info here which suggests smaller class sizes do help, especially in lower grades...
      http://theconversation.com/class-size-gonski-and-schools-funding-what-are-the-facts-8934

      Happy for you to make up your own mind, but it's a bit ridiculous given the differing opinions around this issue to simply assume more funding and better ratios of students to teachers equals better outcomes which is essentially the fundamental premise of ALP education policy.

      Commenter
      Hamish
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:51PM
  • Abbott basically preaches to the converted. Instead of properly explaining why he thinks Rudd is bad with believable points; he just says ain't it awful? Abbott's patronising dismissal of the ABC's Latika (not sure of the spelling); his smirking and his dismissal of her legit question stinks of gender bias. HE JUST DOESN'T GET IT about how to correctly relate to contemporary women.

    Commenter
    Conrad
    Location
    DARWIN
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 12:11PM
    • If there is one thing that I've noticed in this campaign, it is that by totally surrounding himself with women, it has enhanced the fact that he has problems with women.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:14PM
    • Is that you Tanya? LOL

      Commenter
      Lucy
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:18PM
    • Do not ask questions of Abbott 's back as he disappears over the horizon.

      All will be revealed (trust me) in writing.

      Most likely by M.Turnbull the new Opposition Leader on September 8 2013.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:19PM
    • Yeh you can see how uncomfortable his family are around him and his female staff. They all look a bit on edge around him eh.

      Commenter
      Chris
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:25PM
    • J.Faser,
      and which planet did you say you were from?

      Commenter
      JJ
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:26PM
    • the one where Gillard will the next election by ten seats

      Commenter
      M&M's
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:39PM
  • "Mr Abbott avoids answering"

    Story of the last three years, really.

    Commenter
    Whyalla Wipeout
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 12:07PM
    • That's right because Kev's a straight shooter.

      Can you remind me whether he said yes or no to the lady's question last night regarding him undermining Julia Gillard?

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:13PM
    • But he can run.

      And cycle.

      And sign books.

      Expense claims paid back.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:17PM
    • Yes Whyalla Wipeout he not only avoids answering questions he makes it difficult to ask questions because he delivers almost no content to ask questions about.

      Commenter
      Isabelle
      Location
      Alice Springs
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:18PM
    • beaslyst, comment was about Abbott not Rudd. I have put up with 3 years of you and your mates screaming that Abbott was not the government and should not be subject of negative comments.

      Well, we are 9 days out from a likely change of government. It's about time that your darling boy put up or shut up (and not just when he is asked questions by Mark Riley that he doesn't like).

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:25PM
    • beaslyst, comment was about Abbott not Rudd. I have put up with 3 years of you and your mates screaming that Abbott was not the government and should not be subject of negative comments.

      Well, we are 9 days out from a likely change of government. It's about time that your darling boy put up or shut up (and not just when he is asked questions by Mark Riley that he doesn't like).

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:25PM
    • Hey Whyalla, how many keyboards do go through a day?

      Commenter
      Halfback
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:29PM
    • Whyalla,
      You're as good as this as Rudd himself.
      A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice.

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:38PM
    • Well half back, congratulations on deploying the classic Liberal strategy. If you don't like what you hear, you go nasty on the writer to intimidate them.

      How many decent, honourable Australians have been trashed by Tony and his mates in the last three years because they dared to take a line that interfered with his spin.

      Angus Houston and Michael Lestrange have gone quiet since he trashed their migration experts panel.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:41PM
    • A simple yes or no answer, beasleyst?

      Is the irrelevant waffle that Abbott went on with last night when asked if he would keep his promises a simple yes or no answer?

      A simple yes or no would suffice for me - or is it the classic right wing 'do as I say, not as I do".

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:47PM
    • Still no answer to a very simple question Whyalla?
      And you have the hide to say Tony Abbott avoids answering questions....

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:50PM
  • Massive hole in Abbott's costing's again!
    Abbott and Hockey still can't get it right. No wonder Andrew Robb is nowhere to be seen. Lets see if it tops their last effort of $11billion

    Commenter
    LNP monkey bean counter
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 12:07PM
    • This whole costings thing has become a little boring.
      Next election it will be the other way around. Every election this happens from both sides.
      The difference this time is Labor have nothing to talk about, can't talk about Gillard or the last 3 years or 6 years, can't talk about the future they just talk about costings.

      Commenter
      Kim
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:22PM
    • The amount of time Labor have wasted on this costings issue during the campaign is unbelievable.
      Fair enough they want to point to costings as happens every election as you say, but this has become ridiculas.
      I doubt anyone is even listening to them anymore.
      I think they have over cooked the chook.

      Commenter
      Chris
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:46PM
  • One of the biggest criticisms I have with this campaign is that it's all about me, me, me.

    "What's in it for me?", not "How can I help others that are less fortunate than me?"

    Australia seems to have become a very selfish place because of the behaviour and non-leadership of the two major parties.

    Commenter
    Tone
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 12:05PM
    • Unfortunately, most people vote for whichever party "appears" to be given them the better deal, regardless of the community at large. I'd like to think that my vote considers the community at large more than me me me.

      Commenter
      Casa
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:45PM
    • Casa, you and I think about the bigger picture and what's best for the community, but I disagree somewhat with your other comment. If people voted for self-interest I'd respect that; particularly as that would make Labor a shoo-in at the coming election! But no, it's even more depressing than me,me, me; it's more a case of ignorance and childish spite. Many people vote against their self-interest and community interest without realizing it. If Australia really understood what the Coalition stands for and embraced their policies, I would accept that as democracy in action. Alas, it doesn't quite work like that. Once the herd has decided they don't like you, the alternative party could grow devil horns and many wouldn't care. They just want to see the back of the current mob, regardless of their virtues. Humans are emotional and often irrational creatures.

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:04PM
  • Abbott's basic line is that he is correct and that Rudd is wrong. Well so what? We all think that we are right. First he says he is stopping medicare locals; suddenly during the debate he says he is not doing so. Now today he is putting caveats on this with "provided that..." When he wants to cut them back he will say, remember I said 'provided that". Looks to me like he is going to after all

    Commenter
    Conrad
    Location
    dARWIN
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 12:03PM
  • Had a look at the supporting documents from the ALP on costings posted by the Age, they are very very thin. I think they have confused Rudd's mouth with a costing hole.

    I also note they have costed a range of other cuts which the LNP haven't adopted. Are these more secret budge cut cut cuts which Rudd is going to inflict on us. One of them is a yet to be announced 20000 reduction in PS numbers. The LNP policy is only 12,000.

    Commenter
    NeoCon II
    Location
    Measuring the drapes
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 12:02PM
    • Neocon, I think you have confused them with the Liberal 'costings'??? The devil is in the assumptions and there is a hell of a devil hiding in the assumptions that the Libs are keeping hidden.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:14PM
  • Hey Rudd wants Abbott to be truthful. What about it Mr Rudd. YOU said you would never get up against Julia Gillard. What did YOU do? So now we don't believe you either.

    Commenter
    willy
    Location
    Riverina
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 11:49AM
  • Sorry to be so cynical but cannot help but think that our politicians will use the inhumane acts in Syria as a political stepping stone. Race will be on to see who can project the more statesman-like position. #sickeningactsofselfinterest

    Commenter
    john
    Location
    St Kilda
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 11:43AM
    • john, as I have just pointed out in another post, Australia HAS to comment on Syria because it is about to assume the Presidency of the Security Council.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:53AM
    • Rudd did a lot more than just comment on Syria. He turned it into an election issue.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:58AM
    • Nulla.........Conveniently forgetting Weapons of Mass Destruction are we mate I suggest you double check your reading of history.There ever been one side of politics prepared to politicise war and conflict.

      Commenter
      History 101
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:25PM
    • "Children Overboard", "WMDs" ring a bell?
      Limbo dancers.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:52PM
  • Now come on if you are not cut, cut, cutting, you must be spend, spend, spending right? Stands to reason doesn't it, if you're not doing the one you must be doing the other? You are not static are you? Now Kevin always knows everything to do right? He certainly thinks so anyway. Have they ever got their budget forecast right a straight answer please! Oh by the way Poor Tony is apparently not capable of running the country and making major decisions on things like Syria but Mr Rudd obviously considers that he is ! Right? Amazing fairly robust I would say what? 9 days to go !

    Commenter
    Opto
    Location
    Hi
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 11:41AM
    • Tony Windsor said this:
      "Tony Abbott wouldn’t have been able to handle a hung parliament. Hasn’t got the character to do that or the personality. If he can’t be leader on the field, he doesn’t want to get on the paddock."

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:50AM
    • I don't know about Syria, but Abbott is definitely not capable of running the country.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:54AM
    • Tone - Tony Windsor's comments are irrelevant - he pulled the plug before his electorate could pass judgment on him - so whatever he has said in the past is not worthy of any credence - his appearance on the ABC was dismissed

      Commenter
      Baltic13
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:02PM
    • Well Whyalla wipeout and even some of Mr Rudd's colleagues consider that he can't even run the Labor party let alone the country. But if you all want to elect Labor then it will be "Australia wipeout" not just Whyalla ! Good luck !

      Commenter
      Opto
      Location
      Hi
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:02PM
    • Tony Windsor said this:
      "If the Labor Party can't get its mess together . . . there may be a scenario where the second place getter, a bloke called Tony Abbott, would in fact receive my vote"

      Seems like the country has entered the scenario where a bloke called Tony Abbott would infact recieve their vote..

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:04PM
    • Tony Windsor said this:
      "My guess is that there will probably be a change of government at the next election"
      14/05/13
      He is a very smart man...

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:08PM
    • You definitely can do both my friend. Cut cut in the wrong areas AND spend spend in the wrong areas.
      Then, why do we have this obsession with getting a surplus? Sound economic management does not mean you're not supposed to have debt.
      Just like your personal finances can be seen as a business, so is the government a business. Businesses make debt to increase revenue in the longer term.
      Did you buy your house with your own cash, did you do your studies with your own cash? How about your car?
      Lastly, as any big business makes wrong spending decisions sometimes, so would the government -being a very big 'business'... we really should look at things in perspective mates.

      Commenter
      Prosper
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:09PM
    • To add to the previous context, Tony Windsor added:

      "Well my guess is that Tony Abbott will probably be the prime minister after the next election. I quite like Tony but I don’t think he’s the man for the moment. The public is still viewing him with some degree of scepticism.

      If Malcolm Turnbull was there, I think that it’d be all over in terms of the contest, win it by a country mile. I think Malcolm Turnbull is a far better operator in terms of where the middle Australia is. If Malcolm had been the leader of the opposition in a hung parliament and if he’d been the leader of the Opposition at the start of this, he may well have been the prime minister through it. It’s too late to bring Malcolm back, that’s my view, and I think a lot of the right wing in the liberal party would cut their arms and legs off before they’d have him back in."

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:18PM
    • Now prosperous ! why then is the ALP argument not framed so because it is all about instilling fear rather than reasoning with people.

      Commenter
      Opto
      Location
      Hi
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:19PM
    • @Opto. I have to unfortunately agree that what we see of the ALP in the media is that they don't get their message across well at all. ALPs own fault.
      Have you seen Geoff Gallop on Lateline last night, that's what our coutry needs! (have to say that I don't know Geoff or his history at all though)

      Commenter
      Prosper
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:27PM
    • Interesting comment, Prosper. Geoff Gallop was a former Labor Premier of Western Australia. He resigned because he suffered sever depression.

      I don't think you will see him back in politics.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:35PM
    • Tony Windsor said this:
      "Tony Abbott wouldn’t have been able to handle a hung parliament. Hasn’t got the character to do that or the personality. If he can’t be leader on the field, he doesn’t want to get on the paddock."

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:50AM
    • I don't know about Syria, but Abbott is definitely not capable of running the country.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:54AM
    • Tone - Tony Windsor's comments are irrelevant - he pulled the plug before his electorate could pass judgment on him - so whatever he has said in the past is not worthy of any credence - his appearance on the ABC was dismissed

      Commenter
      Baltic13
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:02PM
    • Well Whyalla wipeout and even some of Mr Rudd's colleagues consider that he can't even run the Labor party let alone the country. But if you all want to elect Labor then it will be "Australia wipeout" not just Whyalla ! Good luck !

      Commenter
      Opto
      Location
      Hi
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:02PM
    • Tony Windsor said this:
      "If the Labor Party can't get its mess together . . . there may be a scenario where the second place getter, a bloke called Tony Abbott, would in fact receive my vote"

      Seems like the country has entered the scenario where a bloke called Tony Abbott would infact recieve their vote..

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:04PM
    • Tony Windsor said this:
      "My guess is that there will probably be a change of government at the next election"
      14/05/13
      He is a very smart man...

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:08PM
    • You definitely can do both my friend. Cut cut in the wrong areas AND spend spend in the wrong areas.
      Then, why do we have this obsession with getting a surplus? Sound economic management does not mean you're not supposed to have debt.
      Just like your personal finances can be seen as a business, so is the government a business. Businesses make debt to increase revenue in the longer term.
      Did you buy your house with your own cash, did you do your studies with your own cash? How about your car?
      Lastly, as any big business makes wrong spending decisions sometimes, so would the government -being a very big 'business'... we really should look at things in perspective mates.

      Commenter
      Prosper
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:09PM
    • To add to the previous context, Tony Windsor added:

      "Well my guess is that Tony Abbott will probably be the prime minister after the next election. I quite like Tony but I don’t think he’s the man for the moment. The public is still viewing him with some degree of scepticism.

      If Malcolm Turnbull was there, I think that it’d be all over in terms of the contest, win it by a country mile. I think Malcolm Turnbull is a far better operator in terms of where the middle Australia is. If Malcolm had been the leader of the opposition in a hung parliament and if he’d been the leader of the Opposition at the start of this, he may well have been the prime minister through it. It’s too late to bring Malcolm back, that’s my view, and I think a lot of the right wing in the liberal party would cut their arms and legs off before they’d have him back in."

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:18PM
    • Now prosperous ! why then is the ALP argument not framed so because it is all about instilling fear rather than reasoning with people.

      Commenter
      Opto
      Location
      Hi
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:19PM
    • @Opto. I have to unfortunately agree that what we see of the ALP in the media is that they don't get their message across well at all. ALPs own fault.
      Have you seen Geoff Gallop on Lateline last night, that's what our coutry needs! (have to say that I don't know Geoff or his history at all though)

      Commenter
      Prosper
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:27PM
    • Interesting comment, Prosper. Geoff Gallop was a former Labor Premier of Western Australia. He resigned because he suffered sever depression.

      I don't think you will see him back in politics.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:35PM
  • What a shocker - the libs have holes! Who would of thought?

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 11:40AM
    • Don't worry Macca the sky won't fall in under the LNP. Remember it was Labor that ran the bank dry, now it is time to put an economically responsible government in power. Pink Bat anyone?

      Commenter
      john
      Location
      St Kilda
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:47AM
    • SO you would of preferred surpluses over the past 5 years? And how would that have impacted the economy?

      And when will the libs deliver this surplus that you crave?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:52AM
  • Please don't frighten Macca75 by asking him to get a job.
    The forklift driver can get another job anytime he wants, can help Rudd move garden Island.

    Commenter
    thepres
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 11:40AM
    • Getting a little feisty there "the pres".

      Getting desperate now that Abbott is falling on his face.

      Prey for redemption.

      From a vulture.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:16PM
  • Netball is the liberal parties priority?Way to move this country forward Tone

    Commenter
    Archer
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 11:38AM
  • Labor are looking and sounding more and more desperate.
    costings costings costings!

    Commenter
    Wazza
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 11:33AM
  • This is getting really hard to follow. Last night, Rudd was banging on again about a $70 billion black hole. Now it's apparently $10 billion. Tomorrow, who knows.

    It was telling last night that Rudd completely deflected the question about when the Labor debt would start to reduce. He clearly has no plan.

    Perhaps he might be best to leave the numbers stuff to others.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 11:33AM
    • The debt itself actually doesn't matter, it's the policies that matter.

      The Liberal Party just have terribly unpopular policies and have been relentlessly lying to try to get you to vote for them, against your best interests.

      Commenter
      Jennifer
      Location
      Carlton
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:59AM
    • Hacka,

      Do you know any accounting firms that may be of assistance to your query..if you are not sure maybe you should question Joe, he could let you know one?

      Commenter
      Buffalo Bill
      Location
      Sydneys Northshore
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:00PM
    • @"hacka"

      You've been away too long.

      It's $70 billion + a new found black hole $10billion.

      How could anyone trust Abbott when he says the NBN is costing $97 billion ?

      Real cost of the NBN rollout is $37.4 billion.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:09PM
    • As luck would have it Buff, yes. The next door neighbor runs an accounting firm.

      He's always telling people that if you're going to borrow billions of bucks, you probably should have an asset to show for it.

      You don't trust the PBO costings ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:15PM
    • Ahh well Hacka that is a stroke of luck then, can you please make an appointment for Joe.

      He is really struggling with his costings, they seem to be a little out ot the moment and he just wont share them with us.

      Though a solution could be Hacka that Joe consults Saul Eslake who seem very adapt at picking up large holes like Joe is experiencing currently.

      Im also concerned that Joe has some trust issues...think PBO and Treasury....

      Commenter
      Buffalo Bill
      Location
      Sydneys Northshore
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:34PM
    • To me it's very clear. The NLP is spending more than the ALP and cutting more taxes than the ALP.

      When it comes solely to the criteria of budget deficits, the ALP is the economically responsible party.

      Commenter
      Casa
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:49PM
    • Buff - i'd reckon that Treasury have some bigger problems than Joe's scorn. If the Coalition win it'll be interesting to see how they handle that one.

      Rudd seems to be changing his position on many issues almost daily. Can we expect he'll declare newt week that the budget will return to surplus next year - rolled, gold, guaranteed ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:54PM
    • @J. Fraser: The real cost of the NBN has blown out to an absolute best case of $44.1B. That is if absolutely everything goes right from now on. So a Labor $10B black hole on budgeting right there for you.

      Source: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/fact-checker/will-the-nbn-cost-94-billion-20130816-2s154.html

      Commenter
      Better Informed
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:08PM
  • "Mr Rudd moves on to costings, specifically the Coalition's."

    Maybe it is time Kevin looked at its own costings!

    Commenter
    You know me
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 11:31AM
  • Considering Penny Wong has been finance minister for years and has never ever got the figures correct, not even once, it's a bit rich standing there bagging the coalition.

    Commenter
    J Walker
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 11:22AM
    • How often did Howard and Costello hit their Budget forecast?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:30AM
    • She is shameless really. I think she embodies the broken clock analogy. Surely she will get something right one day.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:33AM
    • it would not matter what the LNP put out the ALP would still cry foul (despite an appalling record which they conveniently gloss over). LNP have an alleged $10bn hole.....ALP gave us an actual $300bn hole

      Commenter
      taxpayer
      Location
      here
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:34AM
    • Really? This is Australia's 22nd year of economic growth, the last 6 of which were with Labor in power. They achieved a AAA credit rating from all 3 international credit agencies.

      The Liberals, on the other hand, have Hockeynomics, the mathematics of rubbery figures with no costing details.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:40AM
    • What the ALP refuses to acknowledge is that their own financial figures have never added up and never will.
      The ALP have promised a surplus over 500 times for year 12/13.
      In 11/12 the ALP predicted a deficit of $22.6B but was $42.6B, 12/13 it predicted a surplus of $3.5B but the deficit was $19.4B, 13/14 the deficit is $33.8B
      Revue for last year was $55B more than the year before but spending is $100B more.
      Adding their promises of forecasts either surpluses or deficits and delivered figures the difference would be about $107B over the pass three years. Is this the supreme financial management we have come to expect from the ALP.
      Wong has been Finance Minister for past three years.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:41AM
    • And your home budget? Do you sit down at the beginning of the year, do a budget covering everything for the whole year and work it out to the nearest $100?

      If you say yes, then you are not telling the truth or you must lead the most boring life in history.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:46AM
    • She was nearly choking in the background when KRUDD was waffling on about his principles - hard to swallow that line eh Penny

      Commenter
      gc
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:51AM
    • Hey Taxpayer...

      if the LNP were in power for the last 6 years and somehow managed to $0bln in debt, then the Australian economy would be at a minimum 17% smaller (actually it would be much smaller than that because of a multiplier effect). That $300bln is in effect balanced out the decline in private sector credit growth as a result of the GFC, and hence kept Australia growing.
      Growth = Jobs = Growth = Jobs = Growth. Break that cycle then you are in big trouble...

      Commenter
      benny
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:01PM
    • Whyalla,

      If I asked you for $25k and told you not to worry about how I was going to spend it, nor worry whether or not I'd pay you back, would you be concerned?
      The ALP are using my taxpayer dollars!

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:09PM
    • Tone, more of your repetitive lies day after day. Labor achieved 1 AAA rating the other 2 were achieved in the early 2000's once Howard and Costello had shown a responsible budget path. Incidentally the 2 they got back had been lost by Hawke and Keating.
      We have now been warned by the ratings agencies that once again, due to labor budget incompetence, those ratings are under threat.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:20PM
    • beasely st, that is what Abbott is doing. Except he is asking for a multibillion dollar economy. And he doesn't trust the public servants who will be providing the financial advice.

      There is no question that the Liberals will pull a swifty once they get into power and appoint their mates to do a fake audit. It's in their DNA. I've never forgotten Fraser's fistful of dollars back in 1977, which he withdrew immediately after he re-won election. The same with Howard and his core and non-core promises.

      The Liberals have an incredible history of lying before elections. Even if they lose, when they lied about supporting an ETS, only to do the dirty on Malcolm Turnbull and Kevin Rudd who had negotiated in good faith.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:21PM
    • Already reflected, that debt that Hawke and Keating had was inherited from the Fraser government, who had John Howard as treasurer. The debt they inherited was massive, and resulted in Australia losing it's credit rating. This led Hawke and Keating to come up with a most innovative way to restructure and improve the economy. The result was that Australia has now had 22 years of economic growth thanks to Keating's innovations. The Howard government rode on Keating's coat tails and were lucky to have been the recipients of Keating's brilliance. Even with the massive improvements in the economy, Howard and Costello produced nothing. They have nothing to show for, for the entire time they were in government, other than the never ever GST, the biggest and most regressive tax in Australian history.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:58PM
    • Tone, right, and I guess the nearly $300b debt that the coalition are about to inherit will also be the coalitions fault, as will the loss of the AAA ratings because of that debt. Come to think of it I'm pretty sure it was the coalition that caused the AFC, the tech crash and the GFC. Actulally, the coalition are obviously so terrible why don't we just let labor rule unchallenged. Pathetic

      So Hawke inherited $40b debt and then increased it another $56b. By your rational then you will have no issue with the coalition increasing debt by $350b, the same % increase under Hawke, and you won't blame the coalition when they lose the AAA rating from all the agencies because it was labor debt.

      Your logic has more holes in it than a labor costings check or penny's forecasts.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:26PM
    • Already Reflcted, thanks for the partisan rant. Australia's debt is $184 billion dollars, not $300 billion. The $300 billion is deceptive. Even Hockey acknowledged that it was actually $184 billion when he was called out on it on Q&A.

      The small debt increase that Keating made was investing in the future. It was good debt as it was used to restructure the economy. The Liberals never invest in the future. They fear change. If it wasn't for Keatings innovations, and Whitlam's before him, Australia would not be in the financially superior position it is in today.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 4:25PM
  • We are just being told by Mr Rudd that the answer to our problems is to spend, spend, spend, just so you know that you are getting the same type of Labor party as produced the massive debt in Queensland, NSW, Tas, etc,, etc. Now if you want that same kind of government to produce debt, debt, debt for your children to pay off then you know who to vote for. But we are told that this is the right thing to do. Now you try and run your households that way and see how long it lasts. But Labor knows nothing else than to overspend always. They talk of fiscal conservatism to get voted in and then they expand their ideas. "The New Way" remember! Just trust them !

    Commenter
    Optimist
    Location
    After the 7th September !
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 11:20AM
    • But that's exactly what the Liberal Party are suggesting to the tune of...

      $30 billion dollars
      $30 billion dollars
      $30 billion dollars

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:41AM
    • Any criticism of budget management has to apply to the Coalition as well. After all, they are basically conceding that they won't get the budget into surplus before Labor. If the bottom line is the same, what Labor needs to focus on is the details. WHAT are the spending priorities of the Coalition and WHERE will the cutting occur. The devil is definitely in the detail...and he or she doesn't have a pretty face!

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:42AM
    • The Coalition are proposing to spend 3 time more. Albeit a lot of it is in infrastructure but there's plenty of irresponsible spending in their numbers too.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:50AM
  • Rudd is clutching at anything he can.
    Now he is aligning with the Nationals.
    What a joke of a leader!

    Commenter
    You know me
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 11:19AM
  • So Rudd's getting another Syria briefing. Are we planning to send in the troops ?

    Will he be doing another Kitchen Cabinet on the way to the briefing ?

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 11:10AM
    • I think he has been watching too many american war movies.

      Commenter
      You know me
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:13AM
    • Hacka........Making jokes about such a serious situation is pretty disgusting buddy. But considering your history of commentary I'm not surprised. You are not the only partisan conservative to make such a stupid reference in the last few days. So b comforted that you're not the only fool posting insensitive rubbish in the pursuit of point scoring.

      Commenter
      Some people cross any line
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:19AM
    • Please, Rudd is milking this for all its worth because he knows he has nothing to offer Australians as far as domestic policy goes so he's hoping prancing about as an international 'statesman' might save him. Unfortunately Australians remember all to well his 'diplomatic' behaviour at Copenhagen.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:34AM
    • Rudd is trying to milk the Syrian issue for all he can. Presumably his press conference included a partisan sledge at Abbott.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:35AM
    • From past experience Aust. should avoid at all cost any involvement with this.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:43AM
    • Hacka and Nulla, this incident in Syria has happened just when Australia takes its turn at Presidency of the UN Security Council.

      I know you hate Rudd. I don't have a lot of time for him myself (although more than for Abbott).

      But are you really that ignorant to think that this is all to do with the Australian election - and not the fact that much of the world is looking to see our stance on this issue?

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:51AM
    • To be honest the world could not care less what Australia thinks about Syria. We could send Conroy over to demand everyone wears red underpants on their head and no one would take any notice.

      There is a difference between Rudd addressing the Syria issue but he went beyond that in saying that this international event is something that Abbott supposedly could not handle.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:01PM
    • Well spoken Nulla. Rudd's trying to find any possible votes anywhere and clearly isn't too fussed about playing dirty.

      This is yet another example. How many sleeps ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:18PM
    • Hi i'm Kevin from Australia, and i'm here to help. You do know that i have been outside the fence already during a major conflict....

      Commenter
      M&M's
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:45PM
  • Hypocrisy at its finest. "The best value that you can live by is that golden rule to do unto others as you would have them do unto you," Mr Abbott tells the students.
    This obviously does not apply to asylum seekers that Mr Abbott has demonised for political gain.

    Commenter
    CPS
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 11:06AM
    • too right.

      Hypocrites are blind.

      Commenter
      benny
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:54AM
  • Abbott appears like the PM and Rudd seems like the negative opposition leader.
    What a turn around.
    Labor were always told don't underestimate Abbott. Looks like they did and over estimated Rudd being Mr Popular and being able to turn around Labors polls. Should have left Julia where she was.
    Tony Abbodtt unelectable? I don't think so!

    Commenter
    JulieGreene
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 10:59AM
    • I'm not sure how much of a difference the switch to Rudd made (and in reality we will never really know) but perhaps Gillard would be better placed to campaign on things like Gonski and the NDIS whereas Rudd appears to be determined to not campaign on any of the previous Prime Minister's achievements which has left him scrambling for NT Tax Plan and the Garden Is Plan.

      But Fairfax has been stridently telling all and sundry that Abbott was unelectable and engaging in a series of character assassinations that don't seem to be having the desired effect.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:09AM
    • The Coalition is looking like forming government with an 18-20 seat majority but Labor is still better off with Rudd. Under Julia the Coalition were actually planning to erase Labor's next generation of leaders as well.

      ...and it isn't over yet. Anything can still happen.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:27AM
  • What has happened to the Coalition's proposal to reward the unemployed for finding a job? No mention in the debate and no mention in the articles I've read today.

    My problem with that proposal and PPL (the more expensive Abbott one in particular) is that both attempt to incentivize what people do regardless - look for a job if they need one (and no, living on the tiny dole is rarely chosen, or not for long) and having children if they really want them. We were having a baby boom even BEFORE Labor's more modest PPL. Thus, these incentives are a waste of money...with the Coalition as champions in this area. (Another exampe is their plan to reverse Labor's mean testing of health insurance rebate. Many well-off people will keep their health insurance regardless of rebates!) Again and again the Coalition show themselves to be INFERIOR economic managers.

    Commenter
    Passionfruit
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 10:50AM
  • The only thing Kevin Rude won last night was the interrupting stakes. At least Abbott had the courtesy to wait his turn. Is he seriously thinking that the Australian public believe he is going to move the navy. Turn it up Rude.

    Commenter
    Rude
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 10:49AM
    • Waiting? Or overwhelmed by the occasion? Hmm, his ability to wait patiently must have been the reason for the long strange silence in the infamous Mark Riley interview. But in that case I'm not sure what he was waiting for...maybe for Riley to disappear in a puff of smoke? Or maybe for Riley to dematerialise and rematerialise elsewhere, like the footy player in the NBN-lite launch!

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:10AM
    • The Rudd party is so on the nose that even Albanese and Macklin have removed all Labor branding from the leaflets and pamphlets that are being delivered within their own electorates

      Commenter
      M&M's
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:16AM
    • The Labor brand is now toxic.

      Commenter
      You know me
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:20AM
    • Tanya Plibersek is running away from the Labor brand faster than a trade union from a Royal Commission. All her supporters are decked out in purple, she may as well represent the Australian Lavender League.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:36AM
    • Tanya like Wong deserted Gillard (a sister) for the sake of her own seat. Prior to Gillards kniffing both her and Wong spoke glowingly of Gillard and ever so disparagingly about Rudd. The fact that both Albanese and Macklin have now removed all Labor branding from any leaflets that were to be delivered within their own electorates and you get real clarity on what the ALP MP's truly stand for - nobody but themselves

      Commenter
      M&M's
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:30PM
  • Photo @ 10:45am. Is that BoF in the front row?

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 10:48AM
    • Sure looks like him and Fiona Scott next along.

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:05AM
    • My sexappealodomoter is going crazy... I thought it was caused by Fiona Scott alone. I didn't notice Barry... 'he is not just a pretty face its fair to say' (Sic)

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:21AM
  • School, netball, sweat?

    “Rapid global warming of 4ºC would be unlike anything experienced before by modern human societies – presenting us with huge challenges in terms of our ability to adapt” (CSIRO).

    School, netball, sweat?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 10:44AM
    • “….. 4ºC would be unlike anything experienced before by modern human societies”
      Very True Pen good point. It makes me think about all of the other things that could happen to us that have not been experienced by modern humans before. What about an alien invasion or a Zombie apocalypse or even worse an invasion by apocalyptic Zombie Aliens!! Humans haven’t experienced this (Unless you count the pyramids in Egypt) we should focus on the party that is best prepared to save us from the possibility of an army of Zombie Aliens taking over the planet. If this happened there would only be three humans we could turn to. 1. Bruce Willis (Obviously) 2 Vladimir Putin and 3 Tony Abbott.

      Commenter
      cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:41AM
    • Yeah yeah Pen and even the rain that does fall will not fill our dams. I know, lets waste billions on some desalination plants that we can mothball because all dams are full.

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:47AM
  • I see the ASX is back to its old tricks. 10.11am and down like an Austrian Skier. Maybe our market is such a Dudd because we still have Kevin Rudd !

    Commenter
    ASX 200
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 10:41AM
    • Syria perhaps?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:51AM
    • Syria? Just goes to show the stock market is rubbish and run by young fools and sheep.

      Commenter
      J Walker
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:20AM
    • Well if it wasn't Syria it would be Volcanic ash in Iceland, Europe Recession, Italy, Spain, Ireland Greece X 10 US Debts Ceiling Earthquakes, Cyclones Hurricanes QE1 QE 2 Op Twist 1 Op Twist 2 QE 3 Mining Taxes Carbon Taxes Japanese Tsunamis Hung Parliaments High Aus Dollar or some other excuse that has left the ASX 200 going nowhere for 4 years, however it hasn't effected the Dax Ftse Dow or even NZ all back to pre GFC highs.

      Commenter
      ASX 200
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:49PM
  • It doesn't matter who "won" last night's debate, I'll bet not one person changed their mind as a result of it.

    Even more ominous news for Labor today - in my own electorate, an exit poll of voters who had just cast their early vote showed Coalition at 69%, Labor at just 11%, rats and mice the rest. That's annihilation.

    Try to get your forecast of a 12 seat majority for Labor out of that result, J. Fraser.

    Sorry mate, up here in Queensland, looks like Labor is gone.

    Commenter
    peteract
    Location
    Gold Coast
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 10:24AM
    • I tend to agree with you. Even those in the audience who gave the debate win to Rudd are still decided to toss Labor out.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:42AM
    • You are quite right.
      I made my mind up months ago.
      Main reason: the mounting debt.

      Commenter
      You know me
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:03AM
    • You may be right Peteract. I never underestimate people's ability to cut off their nose to spite their face.

      Fancy voting to make yourself, and the country, worse off, just because you don't like Labor's internal ructions. Labor's problem, if you can call it that, is having a surfeit of intelligent, feisty people - this will inevitably create conflict. But given the main battle was resolved, I think Labor can be a very good team if they win the election. I do think Rudd has learnt some valuable lessons.

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:27AM
  • Yesterday Joe Hockey said scrapping the carbon tax would save $6 billion over four years; in other words: $1.5 billion per year. Last night Abbott said families would be better off to the tune of $550 a year without the carbon tax? There are 9.2 million families approximately, therefore the $550 x 9.2 million = $5,060’000’000 that’s billions?

    How on earth do Abbott and Rudd expect us to vote for them? I won’t, I refuse. Their despicable acts of lying to simply carry out the wishes of climate change deniers, who only deny the rest of us a safe environment for our children because of their own insatiable greed is only worthy of loathing and contempt.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 10:23AM
    • It's the first time I've heard a wannabe treasurer say that REMOVING a tax will save the GOVERNMENT money. This truly is a magic pudding! And it's made even more remarkable by those words ringing in my ears - "but we're keeping the compensation."

      Or have I missed something? Did they change their mind about the compensation? Can never be sure with Abbott's waffle. (Hey, did you notice the cunning insertion of that word last night? This time it looked even more blatant and silly than his "shut up" comment.)

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:03AM
  • This Libs are cutting $1.2b from aged care workers, another example of those who can least afford it paying for the benefits of the rich.

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 10:21AM
    • Macca
      I'd like to hear more on the rationale for that policy. Age Care work needs a review and also a boost.
      Like to better understand the Libs and Labor policy on this. Anyone got any info?

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:27AM
    • Ha ha ha, you're getting to be as bad as Rudd. They're not cutting it. They're distributing it equally accross all aged care workers & not just those who are in the union.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:28AM
    • Lewis
      Can you explain that in more detail pls?
      Labor v Libs and history of policy.

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:31AM
    • Lewis - Even if that $1.2b in the "pool" does now go to all workers spreading the same money over more workers equates to a pay cut doesn't it.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:44AM
    • Oh give it up, Macca.

      The union is the one who gets cut off from the $1.2bn. No more administration fees for them. :)

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:53AM
    • Macca75, what is your definition of rich?.

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:20AM
  • I am against Abbott's PPL because it involves massive government intervention & a new tax. Where's the productivity gains in an additional 1.5% impost on some businesses government has chosen to be the losers?

    However to suggest that it favours high income earners over low income earners is not right either. Is annual leave & sick leave favouring high income earners as well?

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 10:17AM
    • The annual leave and sick leave aren't paid for out of tax payers money.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:20AM
    • Nor should the PPL.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:25AM
  • Kevin. You are such a liar and hypocrite. Why do you keep on prattling on about the ‘greatest moral challenge” when you cut the Australian Antarctic Divisions budget by 8%. Abbott isn’t the one to cut, cut, cut. It is you and your party.

    Commenter
    Isenz
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 10:14AM
    • Rudd lies more than Gillard. Like his NT thought bubble. Last night he said they had been discussing it for months! Hello! Billy Shorten and others in the Government said they weren't aware of it until Rudd gave 3 different versions in the same press conference. The guys a loser and a liar.!

      Commenter
      Rodney
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:25AM
    • He certainly didn't discuss it with David Bradbury who months before was blustering in saying that the streets of Karratha would be paved in gold as a result of any investment in the north.

      Funnily enough the media never sought to get Bradbury to comment on this new policy in his position as Assistant Treasurer. No, much more fun for Fairfax and the ABC to create a mirage of instability in the Coalition by twisting Malcolm Turnbull's words.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:33AM
    • Rudd said last night he wants to adapt a more cautious approach to foriegn investment. and we need a joint venture approach.
      Fitzgibon this moorning says Labor has no plans to force investors into joint ventures with Australian firms.
      And Bob Katter has said this morning Rudd is stealing his policies and saying Rudd would never follow through.
      Dear Kevin, give up! Your looking and sounding sillier by the day with your lies.

      Commenter
      Robert
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:12AM
  • Imagine what we could achieve if we worked together as a nation instead of bi partisan BS; different ideas, policies etc are what makes a good democracy - but wouldn't it be nice if the default position was recognising a great idea regardless of which side of the room it came from as opposed to constant negative attacks.

    All this campaign has done is reminded us that it really is a choice between the blind leading the blind. The election will be decided by fringe voters determining what policy means the most to them. I know that's what's determining my vote - nothing more, nothing less - all the posturing over the next 9 days isn't going to change that and I suspect its the case for most out there.

    Commenter
    Chippsy
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 10:14AM
    • You forget that from the moment Julia Gillard was elected, Abbott and the Liberal Party threw a great big dummy spit which has lasted until now. He didn't get the guernesy and so he was in attack mode for three solid years. I think if someone more reasonable, such as Malcolm Turnbull had been the leader that there would have been more bipartisan politics and much less nastiness.

      Commenter
      juletjones
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:26AM
    • JuletJones. That was his job...The Opposition Leader. He was not The Enabler.
      The leader of the Labor Party after Sept 7 will be the Opposition Leader. It will be his, or her job to hold the Government to account.

      Commenter
      Tony
      Location
      Paddington
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:49AM
    • Yes juletjones, the Labor Party and trade union movement was so convivial and polite in 1996 that after they lost the election they ransacked Parliament House. There is nothing wrong with the opposition holding a bad government and bad prime ministers to account.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:51AM
  • I'd like to see what would happen in these "leaders debates" if their microphones were disabled when their time ran out or when they didn't have the call.

    Commenter
    Alternate View
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 10:14AM
  • @9.26am

    Love the cartoon...

    Commenter
    Alternate View
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 10:08AM
  • 9:56 a.m. post: "The Abbott daughters played netball and so did Mr Abbott's wife, Margie, who was on hand to relieve her husband of a netball body suit that was presented to him at the event."

    Just a thought (albeit perhaps pretty shocking) - perhaps Tony could have swapped the "budgie smugglers" for the body suit!

    Commenter
    Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 10:05AM
    • Maybe if it was in Hi-Vis fluro colours he would.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:11AM
    • Does bright Australian gold (see picture) count as "hi-vis", or should we consider something like fluoro green?

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:16AM
    • Hi vis mankini, a la Borat.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:05AM
  • Have never felt so much like voting in all of my life time to start the "Fix". 9 days to go looking forward to it immensely

    Commenter
    Optimist
    Location
    After the 7th September !
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 9:57AM
    • Pre poll voting

      It's there to relieve your pain.

      Commenter
      Louis Cypher
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:22AM
    • ..I just popped down to vote LNP on behalf of J Fraser

      Commenter
      Taxpayer
      Location
      QLD
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:34AM
    • Haha Taxpayer, I just popped down and voted Greens on behalf of your mum. She says hi by the way.

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:56AM
    • Please refer to my earlier post on pre-poll voting in my electorate.
      Exit poll results from people who had just voted were:

      Coalition 69% Labor 11%

      Coalition have enough votes already to retain this seat, and prper voting isn't for another week.

      I must admit I felt rather sorry for the Labor stalwart standing forlornly at the entrance to the polling booths, trying to hand out her Labor flyers. People were avoiding her as if she had leprosy.

      Commenter
      peteract
      Location
      Gold Coast
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:17PM
  • I'm sure I read somwhere that netball is far & away Australia's biggest sport in terms of participation. Clever politics?

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 9:57AM
    • True, lots of people play netball but the idea that giving any sport a few million bucks (an both sides have promised these things) would influence votes really does scare me. There are far bigger things at stake.

      Commenter
      Rhm
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:37AM
    • That was definitely a fact about 6 years ago. Not sure if still the case

      Commenter
      Julie
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:05AM
  • In the spirit of demanding the posting of articles *macca75* there is a fantastic article by Tim Dodd in the AFR "Academics get up to a year’s parental leave". Universities have had a PPL equal to that offered by the coalition for about a decade. Female participation has demonstrably increased during this time. Imagine if we could get that increase across the whole economy.

    Commenter
    Cwitty
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 9:50AM
    • Cwitty - Have a look at the productivity commission reprt on paid parental leave and expected benefits of a Lib style policy.
      And a request isn't a demand.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:01AM
    • Nothing wrong with PPL as a workplace issue & not a welfare issue but why does government have to be involved? Abbott is promising smaller government yet propses a massive government intervention with his PPL.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:07AM
    • Lewis - As a liberal (small L) my prefrence is to leave this to the free market. Governments should not intervene in markets unless they fail. In ternms of feamle participation and in terms of female representation in the top 20% of earners.... The labour market has failed. The example of academics getting PPL at replacement (tax payer funded) and the increased participation.. shows what can be achieved with govt intervention in the failed market..

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:16AM
    • Cwitty, many of Australia's largest companies offer PPL to their female rising stars now. All of the big banks & the accounting firms do this. When my daughter finished HSC two years ago part of the recruitment incentives offered to her to join their cadetship programs was a PPL. The market hasn't failed.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:03PM
  • Abbott walked all over Kevin again.
    Ruddy supporters of course will say otherwise, but seriously returning Kevin to the PM role has been a flop.
    Should have left Gillard in the top job. The debates would have been more of a contest between Abbott and Gillard. Rudd is no match against Abbott in debates.

    Commenter
    Ricky
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 9:40AM
    • I'm sure his Labor colleagues watching last night would have been disappointed again with Rudd's performance.
      You won't hear that from them obviously, well not until after Kev has been thrown out of office.

      Commenter
      PWilliams
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 9:57AM
    • We must have watched different debates. Rudd actually had some policy while Abbott was all waffle again. Lucky David Speers was there to protect him from himself.

      Commenter
      juletjones
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:28AM
    • PWilliams - don't be so sure, the cracks are appearing, if some media reports this morning are correct.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:28AM
    • My vote will go to neither, but it was clear to me that Abbott presented himself as the strongest leader. Rudd is is disappointing by his obvious self interest

      Commenter
      Julie
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:04AM
    • Even Albanese and Macklin have decided that their best chance of reelection is by removing all Labor branding from their leaflets and pamphlets

      Commenter
      M&M's
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:42AM
  • The whole PPL question from the male forklift driver and the "pretty lady" lawyer from the north shore was interesting (and a bit sexist). I think I am correct when, if as reported 86% of women earn something around or less than $50,000, and women earning $180k are less than 1% of the population.

    So why is the “pretty lady” not able to receive the same benefit as the lady who serves us as Coles on $50k? The PPL is not paid out of our personal taxes but a tax on big business, and anyway the “pretty lady” already on average pays seven times as much tax as the other 86%.

    So my question goes like this, say I am the “pretty lady” who is the daughter of a forklift driver, I’ve flogged my guts out in a government high school, got into Uni, paid my own way (no hand outs) through Uni, had to pay off a hell of a lot of HECS and finally, after working my guts off get to a salary of $180k (in a field dominated by men) – only to be told should I want to have a baby that as you’ve worked so hard you are not entitled to the same advantages offered to those that didn’t work as hard or chose not to push themselves as hard as you.

    (I know the bleeding hearts will say take a $1000 a week wage and tax them $100 and you’re left with $900 is easy to live on than a wage of $100 and tax that $10 with $90 left to live)

    But it seem weird to me that we would say to someone who has flogged themselves to get somewhere that now you are not as worthy as someone who hasn’t.

    Commenter
    michael of melbourne
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 9:36AM
    • You are as worthy but that doesn't mean you should get $75k of tax payer money while the forklift driver get's $25k.

      Govt moeny should be spent so that those who need the most get the most not the other way around

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 9:48AM
    • Hi Macca – yes I understand your point, but there is no “Govt Money” its ours, the taxpayer – and the lady from the north shore has paid her share, in fact 7 times as much as the forklift driver. I understand the concept of need and social responsibility, but we are talking about 1% of the population (not the other 86%) and that 1% has already paid 7 times as much in the first place – social responsibility yes, but equity no? But most importantly, the fork lift driver has missed the point, the PPL will be paid for the business not individuals.

      I pay around $45k a year in tax, and am happy to do so as I feel a responsibility to do so, but I just don’t like being sneered at or get called names because I do from those who receive my tax dollars.

      BTW I am the son of a farmer who had to leave the land because my father could work a 70 hour week and still only end up with $50k a year if he was lucky – I worked hard and made something of myself and so far have never put my hand out.

      Commenter
      michael of melbourne
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:02AM
    • Yes Michael it ours and the system is designed so that those who can afford to pay more do and those that need more get more- it shouldn't be equal.

      I don't want my money going to someone who doesn't need it, tax revenue is scarce and do you think it equitable that for the north shore woman to get her $75k those earning under $37k have to forog the low income super rebate?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:09AM
    • The nice lady from the North Shore probably also has any variety of Family Trusts, Negative Gearing and Accountants minimising her tax contribution too.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:27AM
    • @Macca yes I get the point – but the whole hooplah on this is around the 1% - say the “pretty lady” lawyer will get $75,000 how would this play out in tax dollars for the whole country

      There were approximately 300,000 births in Australia last year (source ABS), and of those 86% or 258,000 will be far far better off with the PPL. The “pretty lady” component is say roughly 3000 women (I’d be surprised if we were lucky enough in our whole country to have that many women rewarded for their talent) so the numbers work like this (assuming the 258,000 earn say $50k and 1% earn $180k).

      258,000 women @ 50% salary each costing the country $6.45 billion
      3000 women getting $75,000 costing the country $225 million
      Total Cost ration between bottom 86% and top is 3.37% going to the “wealthy” and 96.62% going to the less well off.

      This seems fair and equitable to me.

      Yes I know I haven’t included the 13% or 39,000 women in the middle but I am trying to illustrate a point where the needy

      Commenter
      michael of melbourne
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:56AM
    • @ Tasch, that’s a silly comment and reeks of class warfare

      The facts are simple on who pays tax and it aint much from the whinging forklift driver

      Of the Total Income Tax Collected

      The Top 1% (our pretty lady lawyer) pays 17%
      The top 25% (including the 1% above) pay approx 69% of tax.
      The middle 50% pay approx 29%
      And the bottom (yes the forklift driver) pay around 2%

      And many like me are happy to pay tax, it creates a just society where even the poorest have a fair go at a reasonable life. Just don’t sneer at me or call me names because I made something for myself especially when the forklift driver is complaining when he has not contributed.

      Sneering comments about family trusts and accountants speak of ignorance and a nasty streak that has become all too prevalent in our politics (the nastiness is especially typical of the left and the Greens perhaps?)

      Commenter
      michael of melbourne
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:02AM
    • tasch2 - If we are deaking in nasty 'probably' sterotypes then let's say the forky is probably getting plenty on the side cash in hand. Probably dealing in weed too.

      Commenter
      Bakayarou
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:04AM
    • Michael - I would prefer that $225m to go to low income super, or the school kids bonus or the small business tax concessions or health or education of any other of a number of things.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:07AM
    • Tasch
      We let poor people go to uni now as well. Some of them grow up and become productive and earn big salaries despite humble origins. (and some grow up to become lawyers).

      But we must look at this policy as a social reform supporting women in the workplace which will contribute to productivity and stop thinking about it as a handout and welfare. Thank god we already have paid leave or the ALP would be reeling against it.

      And the government needs to get involved because by putting most of the burden on big business we are directly supporting small business, a great positive for our economy.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:12AM
    • Hacka - How many did Howard & Costello get right?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:11PM
    • PPL is a workplace reform not welfare. It is fully funded from the levy and from the cancellation of the current scheme (which is inequitable) and the monies allocated in the budget for the fed and state PS schemes. Women today can earn more than their partner so this scheme addresses the inequity in the current scheme for women in this situation. In addition, household costs go up not down when you have a baby so having 6 months off at your wage means that women can stay at home during this time without worrying about having to go back to work to keep the household afloat. Labor's campaign with the old biddy on TV takes us back to the 1940s and does no favours to that generation. In fact if the old biddy wants to get her pension for life then she should vote PPL in because we will need all the tax paying women we can lay our hands on to generate the tax we will need for the avalanche of retirees who haven't saved for their old age.

      Commenter
      meres
      Location
      griffith
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:41PM
    • Macca75 - Howard and Costello consistently under promised and over delivered.

      Have this mob ever delivered more than they've promised ? Perhaps you could name one.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:27PM
  • I don't know exactly how you stop this but the BrisVegas and Rooty forums featured a number of people supposedly 'undecided' yet when they asked their question the word 'plant' echoed across the Twittersphere!

    Commenter
    Franklin
    Location
    BrisVegas
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 9:34AM
  • This from the AFR on small businesses friend;
    "Business will lose almost $5 billion in tax breaks through the $31.6 billion in savings the Coalition deems necessary to restore the government’s finances.

    The measures, which include scrapping an instant asset writeoff worth $2.9 billion and loss carry-back provisions worth $900 million, were supposedly funded by the mining tax, which the Coalition also plans to abolish.

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 9:28AM
    • So Macca75 - you've been moaning for what seems an eternity about lack of Coalition costings.

      Now that you've got some is it fair to say you're not happy with them ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 9:48AM
    • Just as well you qualified your statement with the word "supposedly" because the mining tax has failed to fund any of those and they are now unaffordable.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 9:50AM
    • Yes, that's what being a responsible manager in government is all about. And I note that you used the word "supposedly" in relation to the mining tax revenue - well done, because that fact that the mining tax was so badly structured and didn't raise ything remotely like the revenue it was expected to do is the reason that these tax breaks ARE unaffordable.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:05AM
    • Lewis - I didn't use the word supposedly, the author of the article did.

      Hacka - Have I got the costings? There are a list of supposed savings, which are higher than the libs were suggesting jsut a week or two ago, and no idea of the assumptions used to calcualte them.

      But assuming they can save the $31b according to Saul Eslake they are still about $13b short of getting the same results as the ALP, not sure why anyone would be happy with that.

      On top of that the savings realeased show that low income earners and small business will pay for the benefits of higher income earners - not a result I am happy with, are you?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:06AM
    • Macca75 - given your beloved Labor party have missed their budget targets by over $100 billion in the last four years alone, a couple of billion here and there would be regarded as a good result from your end wouldn't it ?

      If you can be patient it sound like you'll get more costings next week.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:52AM
    • How close did you beloved Howard and Costello get on their budgets?

      And there will always be variations from the budget over a year, but to start with a funding whole is a completely different thing.

      I also note you haven't addressed the issue of cuts to small business.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:13AM
    • Macca
      Work harder, earn more, come and join us.

      Commenter
      Rich in Brissie
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:14AM
    • Rich - I am doing quite well for myself thanks very much, but unlike the conservatives I see that there is more to a society than what can I get out of it.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:23AM
    • @Macca – so yes maybe there is something to your $13b short comment.

      Note here this is $13b over three years of the Lib/Nats

      That’s still a damn sight better than the $13bil labour managed between May and July this year they somehow managed to mess up the forecasts (which need to match up to costings) that’s in JUST 80 DAYS that $1.137 billion a week.

      Now that is competence!

      I suggest its pretty hard to cost properly when Labor can even provide 90 days of numbers accurately to work from.

      Like 1996 I think if the Libs/Nats get in we are going to see a whole bunch of things “buried” by Labor for political expediency.

      Note after Howard/Costello there was nothing dodging or hidden, but after Hawke/Keating, and Gough (not to mention NSW and QLD state Labor) there was so much dodgy stuff it was mind boggling. Why is it always Labor?

      Commenter
      michael of melbourne
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:40AM
    • Michael - The $13b has nothing to do with the ALP's figures it is simply they have promised to spend $13b more than they have promised to save on their own costings - and that's before the $10b hole found today.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:45AM
    • Macca75 - why is it then that every forecast Labor has made in 6 years has not been met, always to the detriment of the nation ?

      Can you name a single forecast they've got right ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:20PM
    • Hey macca75 - no one's commenting on the small business changes because we are in business and we know you have to live within your means, clearly something labor doesn't get. Nice to have but really doesn't make a big difference to a viable and profitable business, just reduces your tax in the year of purchase.

      Commenter
      meres
      Location
      griffith
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:06PM
  • Selling the farm to foreigners

    Do you think if we had a direct democracy with the "CITIZENS INITIATED REFERENDUM" as the core structure of the system we the people would allow to sell the farm to foreigners ?

    In this election of phony policies the only person who is offering to the Australian people this type of mechanism to stop it is the naughty ignorant and uneducated Pauline Hanson.

    If education is so paramount in this election Is she really what the mob is telling us?

    Ignorance is bliss.

    If health is so paramount too WHY WHY WHY ?
    " WRACKED with pain from appendicitis, a teenage girl was forced to sleep on the floor of a hospital emergency department during an excruciating nine hour wait for a bed which never appeared".

    Is this the future we are going to have?

    Commenter
    Grrr
    Location
    SYDNEY
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 9:27AM
  • When is Mr Rudd going to stop claiming that all of his scare scenarios are "Abbott's own numbers" when he knows that any such numbers are out of date. How many year's old is the supposed $70bn black hole?
    It is about as relevant as Mr Abbott asking Kevin what he is even doing on the stage given his continued denial that he would ever again take the leadership under any circumstances...well if they came on bended knee and begged me...well if there is the smallest hope in hell that I could actually get back in.

    Commenter
    dcs
    Location
    Brisbane
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 9:25AM
  • Speaking of thought bubbles - has the Navy shifted it's operational headquarters to a school hall in the electorate of Griffith yet ?

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 9:24AM
    • LOL

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:29AM
    • Not yet Hacka, but don't you worry about that! We've heeded the plea from the rest of Australia. We are doing our best to make sure he's gone in Griffith.

      Commenter
      meres
      Location
      griffith
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:55PM
    • Love your work meres. Glasson would make a great member.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 3:47PM
  • I give the debate to Rudd too but doubt if it will make any difference. Even the audience last night, who judged Rudd the winner, seemed already convinced to toss Labor out.

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 9:20AM
    • Rudd was a dud. No match for Abbott what so ever! Get real.

      Commenter
      Kim
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:15AM
    • I thought both leaders were pretty unimpressive.

      Maybe we should have two Prime Ministers. One can look after athletic/sporting events and the other after intellectual/foreign events.

      Commenter
      Casa
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:58PM
  • Hi Stephanie

    Need a good laugh?
    I found this on Twitter this morning via Katherine Murphy on Rudd's hand gestures.

    http://bit.ly/15w89zv

    Commenter
    yys
    Location
    Lighten Up Everybody
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 9:14AM
    • Thanks for that, gave me a good chuckle in the office.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 9:49AM
    • Haha excellent! I think it was a gesture similar to The Claw that Rudd famously used in the lead-up to the 2007 election that always tickles my sides. He tried to claim (as he has tried to do again recently in reverse) that "this mob in government (the LNP) are just plucking things out of the air as if they're in opposition". He perfectly summed up what the then opposition were doing which also sums up up what this current mob in government are still doing.

      Commenter
      Let'sGetReal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:24AM
    • * Lifts a glass of LivePulse to a picture of Murpharoo* To absent friends.

      Must say, I love "the Blessing"

      Commenter
      BalmainBoy
      Location
      Castle Hill NSW
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 12:05PM
    • Made my day, thanks

      Commenter
      meres
      Location
      griffith
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:51PM
  • This is from Tim Colebatch's excellent article today
    "The Coalition will pay for its campaign promises by raising taxes on business, cutting support for middle-income and low-income earners, and cutting environmental programs"
    "Hockey and Robb say their list of 18 savings measures adds up to $31.6 billion of financing for its tax cuts and new spending programs, which leading economist Saul Eslake estimates add up to $44.5 billion over the next four years."
    "The savings claimed are surprisingly large - $4.6 billion from axing the Schoolkids' Bonus, $3.7 billion from scrapping superannuation contributions for low-income earners and $5.2 billion from cutting 12,000 public service jobs.
    These claimed savings are higher than previous estimates, even by the Coalition. It was a surprise to learn that the Coalition will over-fund its controversial paid parental leave scheme by $1.1 billion in its first two years. The policy it released two weeks ago made no such claim.

    There are some errors in Hockey's costings. Innovation Minister Kim Carr pointed out that the Coalition could not claw back the $680 million it claims from axing two business programs without breaking contracts: the money it already committed."

    Looks like the party of small business is actually attacking small business as well as their customers, has made some incorrect and/or embelished assumptions in thier costings and are still $13b short of equaling the ALP's deficit.

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    August 29, 2013, 9:11AM
    • Last night Rudd said that cabinet had been discussing the NT tax break idea for months. Three things seem strange. 1. rudd has not been in Cabinet. 2. shorten was in cabinet but first heard about it in the news. 3. Fairfax has failed to report on this obvious lie.

      I suppose the last one is not so strange given the fairfax line on rudd cheating, his rudeness to the make-up artist and his decision to suspend campaining so Rudd could film kitchen cabinet.

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:09AM
    • Denny - DOn't want to talk about the Libs "savings" and it's impact on those who can least afford it so you change the topic.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:18AM
    • That was a lie. Either Rudd's lying or his Ministers were lying when they said they knew nothing about it. Shorten remember on radio? " I heard about it this morning".

      Commenter
      Robert
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:20AM
    • Robert @ 10.20am: actually Shorten never said that he heard about this proposed policy that morning so I am not sure why you have that in quotation marks. He said he had been told about the policy the day before. He also said that as a Minister with his own portfolio he did not expect to be advised of every policy that was outside of his responsibility. Can we keep the endless pointless smears to the facts at least.

      Commenter
      William
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 10:54AM
    • Macca75, Innovation Minister Kim Carr has only got the job because most of the ministers would not work with Rudd.

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:16AM
    • Hilarious William. But Rudd said last night they had been discussing it for months.

      Commenter
      Mel
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:19AM
    • You mean like those single mothers / parents that the ALP so heartlessly shunted onto newstart allowance

      Commenter
      M&M''s
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 11:23AM
    • Good work macca75 you can add up. Still from my point of view $10B is $20B less than the $30B labor found in their costings 25 days ago so Abbotts still in front, keep counting.

      Commenter
      meres
      Location
      griffith
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:27PM
    • Seriously macca75, no one reads Fairfax newspapers any more, just look at their share price - 55c, they're a joke. La Tingle posted a link to a graph on twitter showing that AFR's biggest readership group are more likely to vote for the coalition. Only problem is she hasn't looked at the share price recently which shows that while the graph might tell her the readership is coalition voters (that's because they are the only ones that can understand the AFR), the number of subscribers is declining at the rate of knots. I cancelled my subscription 3 years ago. Still only 55c to go and zip, they'll be gone. Sadly so will my money.

      Commenter
      meres
      Location
      griffith
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 1:39PM
    • Meres - You do realise you made that post on a fairfax website.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 29, 2013, 2:19PM
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