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Federal Election 2013 Live: August 22, 2013

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The end of another day. I believe it was day 18. What happened?

  • last night's community forum gave Labor leader Kevin Rudd a spring in his step (let's stop pretending anyone 'won');
  • it was judged such a success that both Mr Rudd and Coalition leader Tony Abbott will participate in another forum next week;
  • Mr Rudd spent the day in Victoria prosecuting his case against the Coalition's paid parental leave scheme;
  • Mr Abbott spent the day in Sydney where he announced the Coalition's $340 million health policy; and
  • Mr Abbott also announced that the Liberal Party will no longer accept donations from tobacco companies.

My thanks to everyone who has read, commented and participated in our live coverage of the campaign so far. It is really a lot of fun to bring it to you. I am so impressed by my co pilots Andrew Meares and Alex Ellinghausen - not a single day off for either of them and still bringing us the best campaign images.

See you in the morning.

 

Both Team Rudd and Team Abbott have upped stumps for the day.

Right, so, we all know Labor wants the Coalition to release its policy costings quick smart while the Coalition says they will be released some time before the campaign ends.

A leading economist, Saul Eslake, has had a look at the figures the Coalition has released so far to estimate the gap between its spends and saves.

His verdict? The Coalition needs to find almost $30 billion more over the four financial years to 2016-17 in order to be able to credibly claim that it would produce better bottom line outcomes than the ones projected by Treasury and the Department of Finance.

However, as Mr Eslake, the chief Australian economist for Bank of America Merrill Lynch, says, $30 billion is a "substantial sum" but less the half than the $70 billion figure that has been bandied about by Labor.

 

My hard hat is better than yours.

Kevin Rudd meets with workers at BAE Systems in Williamstown on Thursday.

Kevin Rudd meets with workers at BAE Systems in Williamstown on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Kevin Rudd is serious when he says he wants to be the kind of prime minister who builds things.

Kevin Rudd tours BAE Systems in Williamstown on Thursday.

Kevin Rudd tours BAE Systems in Williamstown on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

It's a high vis vest and hard hat kind of day.

Kevin Rudd tours BAE Systems in Williamstown on Thursday.

Kevin Rudd tours BAE Systems in Williamstown on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Coalition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull and Opposition leader Tony Abbott at St Vincent's Hospital in Sydney on Thursday.

Coalition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull and Opposition leader Tony Abbott at St Vincent's Hospital in Sydney on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

I love it when Alex Ellinghausen groups his photographs.

This campaign has certainly got a well established rhythm - busy, busy, busy until a bit after lunch and then quiet.

In the meantime both leaders have called for an investigation into reports Syria's Assad regime used nerve gas in bombing civilian neighbourhoods in the country's ongoing conflict.

Kevin Rudd says the news of a chemical weapons massacre in Syria was "repugnant".

 

Opposition leader Tony Abbott at the Manly Women's Shelter in Sydney on Thursday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott at the Manly Women's Shelter in Sydney on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Enough with the kisses. Stop the kisses.

Here is the photo gallery for day 17 (yesterday) of the campaign.

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ELECTION 2013 - Day 17

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd visited Metro North Medicare Local in Brisbane. Photo: Andrew Meares

More on the Palmer/Brough/Slipper/Hockey/Ashby story (see 1.14pm post).

Mr Brough has denied Mr Palmer's allegation that he asked for money for a campaign to destroy Peter Slipper.

An updated version of the story can be found here.

I know you have been hanging out for this all day. Yes, that's right, the full video of last night's community forum is now available.

You can watch it here.

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It must be former prime ministers' day.

Earlier (10.52am post) it was John Howard's turn.

Now Bob Hawke is campaigning with Education Minister Bill Shorten.

Mr Hawke was asked if Mr Shorten was leadership material.

"He's got a good understanding of the whole legal framework of our society. He did a magnificent job in the union movement," Mr Hawke says.

"The answer is obviously yes. The truth is that Bill has had a longer experience in the Labor movement, the trade union movement."

Mr Hawke says time had given Mr Shorten more experience dealing with individuals so "that would mean, I think, that his relations with his colleagues will always be easy".

 

Coalition leader Tony Abbott has made it home (his Sydney seat of Warringah) for the first time in the campaign.

He visited the Manly Women's Shelter to donate $140,000 which he raised on this year's Pollie Pedal.

(Mr Abbott's team members also showed up. In lycra. Was that really necessary?)

Opposition leader Tony Abbott at the Manly Women's Shelter in Manly, Sydney, on Thursday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott at the Manly Women's Shelter in Manly, Sydney, on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Can we all agree this is an acceptable political kiss?

Opposition leader Tony Abbott and his wife Margie in Manly, Sydney, on Thursday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott and his wife Margie in Manly, Sydney, on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

And in today's instalment of 'things-I-should-have-brought-you-earlier'.

Here is chief political correspondent Mark Kenny's comment piece about last night's community forum.

Before filing that story Mark also wrote his weekly column about Labor's decision to change the fringe benefit tax arrangement for cars.

The Age's political editor, Michael Gordon, writes about Labor's decision to send unaccompanied children to Manus Island as part of its new immigration resettlement policy.

Last but not least - is the WikiLeaks Party imploding? Julian Assange says no although the person who was his running mate on the party's Victorian Senate ticket quit yesterday saying the party was not quite as democratic as she originally thought.

 

 

A couple of tobacco related stories.

Breaking news reporter Daniel Hurst has filed this story about Coalition leader Tony Abbott's announcement that the Liberal Party will no longer accept donations from tobacco companies.

Chief political correspondent Mark Kenny writes that a re-elected Labor government would freeze out tobacco companies from the political process and phase out investment in cigarette firms by public sector superannuation funds.


Billionaire businessman Clive Palmer has claimed former Howard government minister and Liberal National Party candidate Mal Brough asked him for money to fund a campaign to destroy Peter Slipper's reputation.

Mr Palmer made the allegation at a press conference a short time ago where he said he needed to clear Coalition treasury spokesman Joe Hockey of any involvement in the affair.

Mr Palmer's statements follow contrasting claims about a discussion he had with Mr Bough and Mr Hockey at a meeting at Mr Palmer's Sunshine Coast resort.

You can read the latest episode in one of Australia's tawdrier political sagas here.

Mr Brough has previously denied the claim but has been approached again for comment.

 

At about this time yesterday Labor's money ministers, Treasurer Chris Bowen and Finance Minister Penny Wong, were spruiking a new campaign website which they said was "a snapshot of the cuts we know Tony Abbott plans to make should he be elected".

Such a big claim was enough to interest economics correspondent Peter Martin who has devoted today's Fact Checker segment to it. You can read his findings here.
Or watch him explain them in a video interview below.

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I've spoken to Alex Ellinghausen - he says there were not one but two kisses.

So at just over half way through the campaign Mr Abbott gets this kissing business under control. With a nun. On the lips.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott farewells Sister Jacinta Fong after his visit to St Vincent's Hospital in Sydney on Thursday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott farewells Sister Jacinta Fong after his visit to St Vincent's Hospital in Sydney on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Abbott has concluded his press conference.

Let me summarise the main points of the Coalition's health policy:

  • greater community involvement in the management of local hospitals;
  • give the health minister the power to list medicines recommended by the Pharmaceutical Benefits Commission that do not cost more than $20 million;
  • speed up the start of the national cancer bowel screening program;
  • a new national strategy for diabetes and $35 million to find a cure for type one diabetes;
  • restore the private health insurance rebate as soon as possible;
  • activity based funding for hospitals;
  • $171.5 million to expand GP training and teaching places;
  • an additional 500 nursing and allied health scholarships plus $40 million for medical internships; and
  • review Medicare Local.

The total cost of all this can be found in one line one page 17 of the policy document - it's $340 million over the forward estimates (that's the sum total of the detail).

Mr Abbott says he will refund the "modest amount" in donations the Liberal Party has received from tobacco companies when Labor refunds donations from the Health Services Union.

Coalition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull and Opposition leader Tony Abbott at St Vincent's Hospital in Sydney on Thursday.

Coalition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull and Opposition leader Tony Abbott at St Vincent's Hospital in Sydney on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Abbott has directed the Liberal Party to no longer accept donations from tobacco companies.

"The party will from this time forward no longer take money from tobacco companies," Mr Abbott says.

He calls on Kevin Rudd to refund the cost of travel he received from a German tobacco company last year.

Coalition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott at St Vincent's Hospital in Sydney on Thursday.

Coalition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott at St Vincent's Hospital in Sydney on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Abbott says no medical practitioner will lose their job under a Coalition government.

He then turns Mr Rudd's accusations of cuts back on him.

"This government has cut private health insurance, it has cut private health insurance," Mr Abbott says.

Mr Abbott says he wants to restore the private health insurance rebate "as quickly as I can" but cannot give a commitment as to when that would be financially possible.

But, he says, a Coalition government supports private health insurance "in the marrow of our bones".

 

Coalition communications' spokesman Malcolm Turnbull and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott at St Vincent's Hospital in Sydney on Thursday.

Coalition communications' spokesman Malcolm Turnbull and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott at St Vincent's Hospital in Sydney on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

The Coalition's health spokesman, Peter Dutton, says part of the health policy is to "make it easier for mums and dads to get in to see their GP".

A Coalition government would provide $200 incentive payments to general practitioners who take on young doctors to help train them in that area, Mr Dutton announces.

The Coalition would provide an extra $340 million over the forward estimates to improve the health system.

Mr Abbott is speaking about the Coalition's health policy.

"What we intend to do is to maintain existing levels of health funding....but redirect some of that funding from bureaucracy to frontline services," Mr Abbott says. "Essentially what we want to do with our health system is make a good system better."

Mr Abbott rejects Mr Rudd's claim that he would cut health funding as a "lie".

The Coalition's communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull and Opposition leader Tony Abbott at St Vincent's Hospital in Sydney on Thursday.

The Coalition's communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull and Opposition leader Tony Abbott at St Vincent's Hospital in Sydney on Thursday.

Coalition leader Tony Abbott's press conference has begun.

He is beginning with a ringing endorsement for cardiologist Michael Feneley, who is running for the Liberal Party in the Labor held seat of Kingsford Smith.

"I know he will be an adornment to the Parliament should he be elected," Mr Abbott says before running through other Liberal candidates with a medical flavour including the former president of the Australian Medical Association, Bill Glasson, who is standing against Kevin Rudd in the Brisbane seat of Griffith.

 

Wow - life on the campaign trail really is a fish bowl.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd during a press conference in a cafe in Torquay, Victoria on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd during a press conference in a cafe in Torquay, Victoria on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

No cupcake for me thanks.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott declines a cupcake during his visit to St Vincent's Hospital in Sydney, on Thursday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott declines a cupcake during his visit to St Vincent's Hospital in Sydney, on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Rudd has finished his visit to Torquay where he announced a free service to help small business reduce red tape.

Meanwhile, Coalition leader Tony Abbott is visiting St Vincents Hospital in Sydney with local member Malcolm Turnbull. He will hold a press conference shortly.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott greets communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull during his visit to  St Vincent's Hospital in Sydney, on Thursday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott greets communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull during his visit to St Vincent's Hospital in Sydney, on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Rudd confirms he will appear at next Wednesday night's community forum at Rooty Hill in Sydney (Coalition leader Tony Abbott had already committed).

"I think the Australian people want to see their leaders debate each other," Mr Rudd says.

 

You may or may not be aware that the make up artist employed to do the make up for Kevin Rudd and Tony Abbott at last night's forum said Mr Rudd's behaviour was less than gallant.

The person in question made the remarks on her Facebook page but has since removed the post and withdrawn the allegation (possibly not realising the flurry of interest such a comment would make).

Mr Rudd was asked about allegation: "I'm not that happy about putting make up on at the best of times."

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has coffee with local member Darren Cheeseman and minister Gary Gray in Torquay, Victoria, on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has coffee with local member Darren Cheeseman and minister Gary Gray in Torquay, Victoria, on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Rudd is speaking to the media. He is laying into the Coalition's paid parental leave scheme. Or, as Mr Rudd puts, it "a dog of a policy".

Mr Rudd says the annual cost of the Coalition's scheme is more than the federal government spends each year on childcare assistance.

As for Tony Abbott's likening of it to a great social reform such as the introduction of the age pension, Mr Rudd says: "The age pension....provides $19,000 a year and he puts it in the same category as the paid parental leave scheme which gives $75,000 a year to millionaires."

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Isaac, the son of local member Darren Cheeseman, in Torquay, Victoria, on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Isaac, the son of local member Darren Cheeseman, in Torquay, Victoria, on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Let's take a minute to appreciate the effort of the protesters who take their message to politicians during the campaign.

My favourite thus far is Nemo, from the Youth Climate Coalition, who has popped up at various events featuring Mr Rudd and Mr Abbott. Here's Nemo with Mr Rudd in Torquay, Victoria, a short time ago.

 

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Nemo, from the Youth Climate Coalition, in Torquay, Victoria, on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Nemo, from the Youth Climate Coalition, in Torquay, Victoria, on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Former prime minister John Howard is speaking at the campaign launch of Liberal National Party frontbencher Steve Ciobo on the Gold Coast where he has been given a rousing reception.

"I can't hear Mr Rudd say re elect me because," Mr Howard says.

He then goes to denounce Labor's claim that it saw Australia through the global financial crisis.

"This country was in a superb fiscal budgetary position when the global financial crisis occurred," Mr Howard says before urging "every Liberal National Party member in the country" to tell people the truth about just which party is the better economic manager.

Mr Howard slams Kevin Rudd's winding back of his immigration policies during his first term.

Mr Rudd should have done "absolutely nothing," Mr Howard says, but instead "he had to be the smart alec of Australian politics".

He then offers this pithy observation: "When it comes to competing egos in politics there will never be market failure."

 

In the 10.18am post I pointed you to Bianca Hall's account of Mr Rudd's feisty appearance earlier today.

I now have some video, shot by Andrew Meares, if watching is more your cup of tea.

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WARNING! This is my political nerd post for the day.

On Saturday there will be a special open day at Parliament House to commemorate the building's 25th anniversary.

"The first parliamentary sitting in the 'new' Parliament House took place 25 years ago today and an extra special Open Day is in store to help celebrate the anniversary," a joint statement issued by the President of the Senate, John Hogg, and the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Anna Burke says.

The public will be able to get a rare look around the Prime Minister's offices, the offices of the Speaker and the President of the Senate and the chance to walk on the floors of both chambers.

How cool is that? I've been into the offices but I've never been on the floor of either chamber.

The Open Day program is available here.

PS. There will be Senate show bags! Could someone get me one please?

 

 

Reporter Bianca Hall is with Team Rudd.

She has filed this piece about a buoyant Kevin Rudd hitting the campaign trail bright and early this morning.

"People have written me off before but I have a habit of coming back," Mr Rudd told the event in Geelong. "I've been written off more times than I can remember....I'm made of sterner stuff than that. We're made of sterner stuff than that; you're made of sterner stuff than that. And in this election campaign we're not going to take a backwards step. We're going to fight, fight, fight."

 

Alex Ellinghausen reports Team Abbott is just about to arrive in Sydney:

Finally - someone ends this sausage-without-bread madness.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at a community event in Geelong on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at a community event in Geelong on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

It's not often you see Labor leaders near this particular flag these days.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at a community event in Geelong on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at a community event in Geelong on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Well, yes, that's one way of keeping your hair under control.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at a community event in Geelong on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at a community event in Geelong on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

The baby has barely born and it's already being hawked around (presumably only to Coalition MPs though):

 

Whoever "won" the encounter Mr Rudd certainly looked like a happy chappy when he visited Geelong earlier this morning.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at a union event in Geelong on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at a union event in Geelong on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

But enough of the pundits - what do you think? Who won?

You can have your say in our online readers' poll here.

Do you need an edited highlights package?

Chief political correspondent Mark Kenny wrote a news story about the encounter which you can find here.

The Age's political editor, Michael Gordon, awarded a narrow victory to Labor leader Kevin Rudd.

The Sydney Morning Herald's political editor, Peter Hartcher, made the interesting observation that Mr Rudd and Mr Abbott seemed to swap roles - Mr Rudd went from positive to negative while Mr Abbott went the other way. He writes that Mr Abbott is still in the box seat as far as the election's possible outcome is concerned.

As an aside, the 100 or so people who were in the audience for the community forum gave a narrow win to Mr Abbott (although about a third of the audience were undecided).

 

"Does this guy ever shut up?", an animated Coalition leader Tony Abbott said of Labor leader Kevin Rudd.

Whether you thought it was funny or rude it was certainly the line of last night's community forum and the water cooler moment (in much the same way as Mr Rudd's use of notes in the debate held at the end of the first week caused a flurry of discussion).

People in the room seemed to find it amusing although the reaction on social media was less impressed. It's all about context, isn't it?

I was just relieved the forum was the encounter between leaders I think voters deserve - engaged, dynamic and punchy. Whatever host channel Sky News put in the water last night I hope they bring it out again at their next event in Rooty Hill, Sydney, next Wednesday.

Team Abbott has just flown out of Brisbane for an undisclosed location.

Team Rudd wasted no time and flew to Melbourne last night. Mr Rudd has already been to Geelong this morning and is scheduled to arrived in the seaside town of Torquay in about half an hour's time.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott goes for an early morning bike ride in Brisbane, Queensland on Thursday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott goes for an early morning bike ride in Brisbane, Queensland on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Good morning and welcome to our live coverage of the campaign.

Last night was fun, wasn't it? Let's spend some time this morning looking back on the community forum. Kevin Rudd gave a fighting - if not necessarily winning - performance .

It's a pleasure to have your company as Andrew Meares, Alex Ellinghausen and I take you through the day.

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  • Another flat day of next to nothing really.

    I think all of the best fireworks were wasted in the first half of the year, this campaign is basically boring.

    No reflection on you of course Steph.

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    SteveH.
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    August 22, 2013, 4:40PM
  • Well the old expression says "Manners Maketh Man" not policies !

    Commenter
    Opto
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    August 22, 2013, 4:39PM
    • No art I am saying the budget defict is $30b, the Coalition have promised to get back into surplus quicker than the ALP yet have promised $30b in new spending over 4 years,(that is on top of the $30b deficit) compared with the ALP's $4b - howw are they going to get back to surplus faster at that rate?

      And once again you decry the ALP's record as a way of avoiding what is plain to see, the libs are on track to make things worse no better.

      Commenter
      Macca75
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      August 22, 2013, 4:35PM
    • Econorat, won't take you long to count how many Rudd got.

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      SteveH.
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      August 22, 2013, 4:33PM
  • How can you remove the spec from your brother’s black hole when you cannot see the log in your own?
    Amen. Mathew 7:5

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    Cwitty
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    August 22, 2013, 4:29PM
    • kp,
      That is untrue. Whitlam paid off debt & had net surpluses from 1972 - 1975. Fraser went into deficit from then on. Howard was only paid off net debt from 2003 to 2007.
      Both Whitlam and Howard had about 3-4 years of net surplus.

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      Econorat
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      August 22, 2013, 4:27PM
    • JohnO,
      That's LNP $30B over four years added on to a $30B deficit. How does that add up?

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      Econorat
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      August 22, 2013, 4:25PM
    • Macca - remind me again when this country last had a surplus and what party created it? Remind me again when Labor last had a surplus in government? I think it must have been sometime back before a lot of voters in this election where even born. Saying that the LNP will be starting from a really low base is not exactly a bad reflection on the LNP - it is far more a reflection on the sad state Labor once again are leaving the budget in. Are you saying that if Labor came out and announced an even bigger deficit, then you would be telling everyone how that makes the LNP black hole much bigger? Great spin!!

      Commenter
      Art
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      August 22, 2013, 4:25PM
    • Hockey deliberately gave that number ($70 bil) to see if someone was leaking is the reason. Obviously Hockey found out they were.

      Commenter
      Graham
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      August 22, 2013, 4:25PM
    • Liberal are still spending 10 times as much as Labor in this campaign. And Liberals are yet to tell us how they are paying for it all.

      They may claim not to be putting up GST but perhaps this is just politicking - they will get the States to put up the GST and give the States less money from federal coffers. Bingo, tax increase by stealth.

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      Tone
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      August 22, 2013, 4:24PM
    • About the same as the deficit discovered weeks after the last budget announcement. Shocking!

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      Puzzled
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      August 22, 2013, 4:22PM
    • Well Abbott claiming that it's all fully funded is an obvious lie in my books. At the very least he's being devious and deceitful.

      As for patterns, the Liberals have a pattern of introducing regressive policies - policies that are bad for the middle class and poor but great for the rich. You know, like GST, WorkChoices, removing low income super etc

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      Tone
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      August 22, 2013, 4:21PM
    • How many time has abbott promised a surplus in the first term?
      And how does $30b in extra spending achieve that?

      Commenter
      Macca75
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      August 22, 2013, 4:21PM
    • better then the over 100 times repeated gold plated gurantee of Swan to return budget to surpless oops i mean 30 billion in defecit in 2013

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      Johno
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      August 22, 2013, 4:16PM
    • Proves Rudd is lying again!

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      Bruce
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      August 22, 2013, 4:12PM
    • It's also a lot of cuts and tax hikes? But I suspect these will be the order of the day no matter who wins. Not forgetting over above the $30 billion black hole the debt black hole has to be paid off?

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      Pen of hrba
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      August 22, 2013, 4:11PM
    • $30 billion is the average budget deficit run by labor each year since labor was elected in 2007.

      The difference is that the coalition has a history of paying off debt while labor...well labor never has.

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      kp
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      August 22, 2013, 4:10PM
    • Art - If the ALP have a $30b defict in real terms, which is the libs starting point, and the libs have promised to spend an extra $30b how much do they have to cut to return to surplus?

      Commenter
      Macca75
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      August 22, 2013, 4:09PM
  • However, as Mr Eslake, the chief Australian economist for Bank of America Merrill Lynch, says, $30 billion is a "substantial sum" but less the half than the $70 billion figure that has been bandied about by Labor.

    Phew - the libs are only going to slash $30b from govt spending - for a moment there I thought it was going to be real money!!

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    Macca75
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    August 22, 2013, 4:08PM
    • better then the over 100 times repeated gold plated gurantee of Swan to return budget to surpless oops i mean 30 billion in defecit in 2013

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      Johno
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      August 22, 2013, 4:16PM
    • How many time has abbott promised a surplus in the first term?
      And how does $30b in extra spending achieve that?

      Commenter
      Macca75
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      August 22, 2013, 4:21PM
    • Liberal are still spending 10 times as much as Labor in this campaign. And Liberals are yet to tell us how they are paying for it all.

      They may claim not to be putting up GST but perhaps this is just politicking - they will get the States to put up the GST and give the States less money from federal coffers. Bingo, tax increase by stealth.

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      Tone
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      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 4:24PM
    • JohnO,
      That's LNP $30B over four years added on to a $30B deficit. How does that add up?

      Commenter
      Econorat
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      August 22, 2013, 4:25PM
  • Classy hat for the AMWU delegate. Not.

    Commenter
    Puzzled
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    August 22, 2013, 3:58PM
    • I thought you would appreciate the fact he is telling it like it is?

      Commenter
      Macca75
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      August 22, 2013, 4:00PM
  • Wow, so even renowned economist Saul Eastlake is getting in on the action. He claims that the Liberal Party have a $30 billion dollar black hole.

    Not quite the $50 billion dollar black hole that PolitiFact suggests.

    Not quite the $70 billion dollar black hole that Labor thinks exists.

    But $30 billion dollars, that's a lot of black hole.

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    Tone
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    August 22, 2013, 3:51PM
    • Yeah Tone - about as much of a black hole as Labor ran up in a few weeks. Not on future promises - but in real terms. I wouldn't be crowing about inability to budget if I was Labor.

      Commenter
      Art
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      August 22, 2013, 4:01PM
    • How do you have a "black hole" when the Libs haven't announced their savings?
      Isn't a black hole when savings don't cover the spending?.
      This black hole argument doesn't make sense, well not until Abbott shows us where the savings are coming from. If they don't match, then we have a "black hole". Anything else at the moment is just a scare campaign about it.

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      Trent
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      August 22, 2013, 4:05PM
    • When Penny Wong was asked about the 70B this morning she mentioned (again) that it came from Robb and Hockey. Yes, it may be an old figure...and Wong basically conceded that she could be incorrect, but if so, just tell us what the figure is.

      Is anyone keeping track of cuts so far? The only two I can recall are the school kids bonus and taking away that extra help with super for low income earners. Is that correct? I can remember more examples of revenue forgone (mining tax, carbon tax, may or may not change FBT) and spending (too numerous to list but keeping the carbon tax compensation was one).

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 4:07PM
    • The ALP have promised a surplus over 500 times for year 12/13.
      In 11/12 the ALP predicted a deficit of $22.6B but was $42.6B, 12/13 it predicted a surplus of $3.5B but the deficit was $19.4B, 13/14 the deficit is $33.8B
      Revue for last year was $55B more than the year before but spending is $100B more.
      All the talk about a Liberal black hole what about the ALP continuing deficits each year of of $20B. If you added their promises of forecasts either surpluses or deficits and delivered figures the difference would be about $107B over the pass three years. Is this the ALP's Black hole?

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 4:08PM
  • Comento western Sydney KDudd and you will be lucky to get even 1%.

    Commenter
    Joe
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 3:49PM
  • As of June 2012, there were 168,580 Australian Public Service employees. This figure included 154,307 ongoing (or permanent) employees and 14,273 non-ongoing (or contract) employees. Overall, the APS has a majority feminine workforce—57.6 per cent of all APS employees are women.

    Salary scale:

    Graduate: $63,742

    APS 1 Departmental Officer: $47,682

    APS 2 Departmental Officer: $58,519

    APS 3 Departmental Officer: $65,555

    APS 4 Departmental Officer: $72,697

    APS 5 Departmental Officer: $79,794

    APS 6 Departmental Officer: $92,975

    EL 1 Assistant Director: $115,630

    EL 2 Section Head Director: $146,277

    SES Band 1 Group Manager (GM)
    Branch Head
    Executive Director (ED)
    Assistant Secretary (AS): $219,464

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 3:48PM
    • And where did you get that information? I could only DREAM of being paid that much as the APS5 I am. Hell, I wasn't even being paid as well as your purported APS3 when I was an APS4.

      Commenter
      KC24
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 4:14PM
    • Thanks Pen, nice perspective.

      Commenter
      Norm
      Location
      Maroubra
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 4:35PM
  • Rudd has successfully built a mountain for all Australians - a mountain of debt.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 3:47PM
    • And how does Abbott's $30b in announced spending effect that mountain?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:56PM
    • Well Macca75 - if your man gets up, it won't !

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 4:07PM
    • Once again when challenged on Abbott's spending a liberal supporter avoids and points to the ALP's supposed failings - why is it so hard for them to explain.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 4:23PM
  • MIA

    Where is David Bradbury? He has been awful quiet during the campaign since his hilarious interview with Glenn (What's your last name?) Daniel.

    Perhaps he and James Diaz are having a quiet drink together out at Panthers wondering where it all went wrong.

    Commenter
    Smokin Mo
    Location
    Ryde
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 3:46PM
    • The dud candidates from either part are better out of sight in the campaign. It would be better if they didn't win preselection in the first place.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:50PM
    • The scariest part of that is that David Bradbury is the Assistant Treasurer, and is likely to be there again should the ALP win.
      Frightening!

      Commenter
      byebyekev
      Location
      byebyeLabor
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 4:27PM
  • It's amazing all the Liberal supporters on this site decry the fact the Labor has raked up debt - yet none of them will answer the following questions;
    1) What impact would running surpluses in the past 5 years have had on the economy?
    2) How does Abbott's $30b in announced spending impact the budget deficit?

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 3:33PM
  • @Norm
    If we only disagree on wage value but agree on the principle of PPL as a Universal workers entitlement like annual leave, then we have more ideals that unite us then divide us. In the interest of unity I stand to be corrected on the level of Public sector salaries. Whilst unifying can we also agree that as a country the top 20% of Income earners is severely under represented by Females AND Workers on minimum wage are severely over represented by Females. Can we agree that this income disparity is a structural problem in the Labour market that requires intervention? Because if we agree on all of this then all we need to discuss is the best way to fix it, and at the level of ‘fixing it’ the differences are marginal … not ideological.

    Commenter
    Cwitty
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 3:30PM
    • "If we only disagree on wage value but agree on the principle of PPL as a Universal workers entitlement like annual leave, then we have more ideals that unite us then divide us"

      Hate to break it to you Cwitty but Universal PPL is already available - the current Govt brought it in - the only issue is the amount.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:45PM
    • We are closer than we are apart but Labors centre link ppl is not currently a work entitlement it is welfare. 99.2% of working mums in the private sector are forced to take a pay cut and only get funding for 13 weeks. Mums in the Public sector have a work entitlement.. They get 26 weeks at full pay regardless of their salaries.. Plus they are allowed to access the welfare payments too, cause as you have mentioned the current welfare payments are universal. We want Mums in work not on welfare and we need to level the playing field so that Private sector Mums get the same access to taxpayer funded leave as public sector Mums. We need a plan for ALL mums.. not just the mums that vote Labor..

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 4:00PM
    • Cwitty
      Any payment out of our taxes is welfare.
      Only the Libs are calling it an entitlement.
      That is their word for everything they give the rich.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 4:10PM
    • Steve, are you saying all PS workers are actually on welfare?

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 4:23PM
  • 16 more sleeps!

    Commenter
    byebyekev
    Location
    byebyeLabor
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 3:29PM
    • Don't worry, either one liar or the other will win.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:54PM
    • Then what?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:58PM
    • well said !

      Commenter
      Optimist
      Location
      After the 7th September !
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 4:16PM
    • Better be careful who you go near when they are in the zone. Amazing how we humans are always ready to provide a quick and easy excuse for anything we do instead of just saying sorry and meaning it which is I believe the Christian thing to do Hmm!

      Commenter
      Optimist
      Location
      again
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 4:29PM
    • It's all groovy now Optimist, Kev has "no hard feelings".

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 4:41PM
  • photo 3.17

    Things are looking up.

    No elderly nuns in this group

    Commenter
    Louis Cypher
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 3:28PM
  • Lily met Tony, she thought it was Heaven,
    Never again will she make up with Kevin,
    Where could she turn? Who could she tell
    Smearing of Rudd would prove to be hell,
    Certainly nothing like back in 07!

    Commenter
    Poet Laureate
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 3:07PM
  • Was it Kevin Rudd or Julia Gillard that recently "imported" a few social media whiz kids? Wonder if they've heard of Google Mail before?

    Commenter
    beasleyst
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 3:06PM
  • While checking out a New Way Abbott met the Climate Change Geni, who offered him one wish.

    Abbott’s wish was that he should live forever for the sake of all Australians.

    Shaking his head with a look of finality on his face the Genie said, “Sorry Tone you are too much of a danger to the environment, you cannot live forever, but you can have another wish.”

    Abbott gave the genie a monkish look for a short time and then said, “O.K.. In that case I wish to live long enough to see a Labor government with a surplus and no debt.”

    The Genie was lost for words until he muttered, “You little shit”?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 3:01PM
    • See Pen,

      Under 100 words and everyone will read it!

      I like it!

      Commenter
      dRod
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:16PM
  • Today's highlights so far,Rudd was at it again he found out where the sausage sizzle was and had a feed. I didn't see the sauce bottle though. I am very worried about him, he seemed very thirsty last night and kept on turning his back on the audience and Tony Abbott to drink water..His minders should be encouraging him to eat fruit and avoid salt laden food!
    Naughty Kevin!

    Abbott refused a cup cake, good boy Tony!

    Commenter
    The highlight queen
    Location
    Pammarks@bigpond.com
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 2:59PM
  • @Norm.
    I disagree… there are plenty in the Public Service getting paid like football stars… but for argument sake, lets drop the wages down to 150k. Why it is OK for the woman who works for the Public Sector to get a taxpayer funded 6 months baby leave at her normal wage but it is not OK for Woman who works in the Private Sector?? Why are women forced to take a pay cut to just above the poverty line in the Private sector. When it's OK for Women in the Public sector to take tax payer funded 6 month at full pay? It is about creating structural equity for Woman. It’s about equality. It is a landmark reform.

    Commenter
    Cwitty
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 2:52PM
    • Spot on Cwitty, and had it come from the ALP they would all be saying so.
      Instead people are getting all wrapped up in the fact 1% of Australian new mothers will get the full $75k payment, without even considering that maybe the other 99% might benefit too.

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:04PM
    • It's fine fro women in the private sector to get paid at that level - if their employer wants to pay for it - public servants serve the public and therefore it is only fair the public pay for the wages and benefits - private sector employees serve their employers.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:04PM
    • Cwitty, you won't get any argument from me on the PPL in principle, just disagreeing with you salary figures, still do. I think you live in pie-in-the-sky-land.

      Commenter
      Norm
      Location
      Maroubra
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:04PM
    • Because the woman in the public sector has, over time, negotiated her conditions through collective bargaining, where pay and conditions are balanced. Relatively few women (and men) on 150k+ in the public sector

      Commenter
      Rusty
      Location
      qatar
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:09PM
    • beasleyst, you are wrong. 99% of new mothers won''t benefit from the Abbott PPL scheme. For starters, a large minority of mothers or mothers-to-be don't have an official job. (Not sure what you mean by new mothers exactly.) Many stay-at-home mothers who already have children might be getting the school kids bonus at the moment. So they will miss out in two ways if they have another baby.

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 4:18PM
  • Hmmm, I'll bet the 457 visa US "social media" experts that Kevin Rudd has employed have just learned the wrath of Rudd when their emails went out with Julia Gillard on them...

    Commenter
    beasleyst
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 2:49PM
  • It is easy to tell how "fair dinkum" Mr Rudd is. Go back to last night's debate when he said "mate" to Tony usually an endearing term, however it is so clear that this is patently false this "Mateship". It is the "Kiss of betrayal" type and characterises everything Labor to anything Abbott. Full of misrepresentation so this is the new way in politics that Kevin was going to lead Hmm ! The anti Abbott Labor attack site is the new kinder gentler way of politics wow more lies before the election !
    Nothing has changed with Labor factions, vested interest groups, faceless men removing PM's comrades ? rubbish !

    Commenter
    Optimist
    Location
    After the 7th September !
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 2:35PM
    • Comrade Optimist, you belie your name.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:31PM
  • Abbott now refuses tobacco money. Too late. They have already given all that they were going to give for this election. If he was genuine, give back the modest millions.

    Commenter
    AL
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 2:32PM
  • When postal voting commenced I wrote:

    "There is a terrible problem: these voters have to vote without knowing Coalition valuations, which dictate how the economy under the Coalition will be structured, not to have this information makes this election a travesty of democracy.

    It seems we have reached a stage of naive susceptibility of adhering to a law that insists we vote on pain of prosecution, irrespective that we don’t have information that aids our reason of which way to vote?

    This inane trashing of democratic principles happens in Moscow and Zimbabwe? We are supposed to be one of the pearls in the crown of democratic process not a nation of credulous disciples excepting insult to intelligence on the whims of inhibitors of truth.

    Labor committed the same pretence at the last election, which makes acceptance of this repetition dangerous. Democracy dictates the right to know what we are voting for, not major political parties depriving us of that right simply because the truth may not be agreeable to their own cause. The electorate is not subservient to its own political appointees; our politicians have either forgotten or choose to disregard this basic principle of political ethics."

    Surprise, Rudd is using the Coalition’s lack of costing for his trump card. In addition to Coalition lack of ethics the Coalition has no feasible climate change policy to expose Rudd’s lies that is Labor’s climate change policy?

    Climate change will bite and bite so hard one will not be able to count the milliseconds it will take for voters to turn on the Coalition. When temperatures reach 50 degrees plus, as they could do this summer, with consequences of diminished food production and power load shedding, Abbott will be lucky to see a full term in office.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 2:29PM
    • What is the point of having a whinge about costings, they could say $1 or $1 billion, it wouldn't mean they would stick to it!
      A far bigger issue is making promises to 'spend' past the forward estimates.
      Anyone who listens to numbers or relies on them to work out who to vote for is setting themselves up to be disappointed.

      Commenter
      ScottSyd
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:08PM
  • Well, I am off to post my postal vote. Have lots to do in the next few weeks.

    It is a pity my vote is not worth anything in this very safe seat where I live.

    It would be much more exciting to live in a marginal seat!!

    Commenter
    TiredOfSpin
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 2:27PM
  • If only the Labor Party hadn't turned its own attack dogs on the 'dysfunctional' Kevin Rudd.

    The Libs wouldn't have so much great ammunition

    Now thats irony.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 2:16PM
    • Steve H, obviously you now have your daily orders from the Brian that the attacks on Rudd should be unleashed.

      Is this because Tony showed yet again what a short fuse he has when he doesn't get his way?

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:19PM
    • More like stupidity. The only ones who saw it for what it was were Albo & Crean. Remember how they had to scream for the others to stop?

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:28PM
    • Its their only ammunition, that's not ironic, just sad.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:30PM
    • I don't know, Steve? Having no climate change policy seems pretty stupid to me?

      Oh I forgot the 15000 Green Army? Oops, expect a response from C. gal?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:46PM
    • Actually it is labors ammunition - remember, labor said these nasty things about Krudd, not the coalition.

      As for Wipeout - love it how he insists that anyone who does not like labor must be a liberal stooge. That's funny.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:55PM
    • Yep, you got me Wipeout, I'm just a Liberal stooge because I don't think the ALP are very good. I am also a Liberal stooge because I think Rudd is a despicable coward of a man.
      In fact, half his party are Liberal stooges because they agree with me.

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:00PM
    • "love it how he insists that anyone who does not like labor must be a liberal stooge"

      Not quite what I said. But happy to own it based on the illogical, silly and nasty comments by the ratbag pack that you claim proud membership of kp.

      I only call what I see on the page in front of me. And on the right, only Pen of wherever seems not to be singing from the Brian Loughnane hymnbook.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:04PM
    • WW, the thing that always amuses me, when clowns like you keep making that absurd claim is how do you explain your own status on these blogs.

      Why should you be exempted from being regarded as a paid stool pidgeon?

      The truth is I'm at home writing a research paper on the cultural and artistic significance of the digging stick as a utilitarian wooden tool.

      If you like I'll email you a copy as soon as I've finished, I'd love to get your feedback. Just post an address.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:25PM
    • So Wipeout, does that make Wayne Swan, Penny Wong, Simon Crean et al liberal stooges as well? After all, they said it about their labor colleague. Brilliant logic!

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:26PM
    • WW. In fact here's the intro, knock yourself out:

      Among the oldest and most ubiquitous of all the tools created by man out of wood is the digging stick, although it is unlikely that the first use of the digging stick can ever be realistically dated, archaeologists have postulated that early hominids were using the digging stick during the period of proto-human evolution; noting the close similarity of the tool with the twigs used by chimpanzees to gather termites. With reference to Oswalt’s definition of technology, the first digging sticks would almost certainly have been similar naturefacts, that is to say, used in place or withdrawn from the habitat and used without prior modification. Arguments have also been made that females may have been the first to develop fire-hardened sticks to assist in their frequently gender specific occupation as food gatherers in contrast to the male dominated sphere of the hunt. Regardless of the veracity of such gender centric readings, the evidence of the global use of the digging stick, in many diverse cultures throughout the succeeding eons is incontestable. In this investigation into the digging stick, the utilitarian use of it as a human tool as well as the cultural and artistic significance will be discussed.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:31PM
    • Now there is an interesting thing. Go away to do my tax (and bemoan my soon to be shrinking franking credits) and I come back to find all the the subscribers to Brian's hymnsheet taking great umbrage at being called a 'stooge'.

      Now the funny thing is that I did not actually use this word, other than in a cut-and-paste of kp's bleat.

      As I said, I call it as I see it. It looks pretty obvious to me that your claims of not being Loughnane's lackey's have all the credibility of Abbott's claims that his policies were fully costed.

      And yes, you could regard me as a Labor 'stooge' to use the word that best fits the economic front bench of the Liberal Party once you put the word Three in front of Stooges. You would be wrong, but I don't really care.

      The fact is that you guys spray abuse on anyone who doesn't agree with your politics like confetti and then squeal like stuck pigs if anyone should suggest you guys should get some of your own medicine back.

      In the words of your dear leader 'man up'. Mind you, he does a pretty poor job of it himself when under pressure.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:40PM
    • WW, I wouldn't call you a stooge, just plain dopey.

      Professional PR doesn't its billable time the way you are right now.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:57PM
    • Whyalla Wipeout, quit while your behind. Nothing will change the fact that half of the labor ministry quit rather than serve with Kevin Rudd.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 4:13PM
  • Quote from Stephanie - Mr Abbott's team members also showed up. In lycra. Was that really necessary? - Stephanie that is an insulting comment - they have just raised a considerable amount of money for a charity -is that the best you can come up with - very poor form

    Commenter
    Baltic13
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 2:10PM
    • I thought it was funny :)

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:13PM
    • And, for a women's shelter as well. Well done boys in lycra.

      Commenter
      Facts are
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:18PM
    • Yes there is a lot of anti-lycra sentiment around these days. While lycra is an unforgiving and unkind fabric if you have ever ridden a bike further than 30km you will know how essential it is to wear.
      People sneer at lycra, but it's just the best thing for those delicate bits for a bike rider of either gender.
      Go on Stephanie - on your bike and try it!

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:19PM
    • Lighten up Baltic13

      Like Sharron, whose pestilential posts infest this blog, Stephanie may suffer from Lycraphobia a malady similar to Red Speedo Anxiety Disorder.

      Commenter
      Louis Cypher
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:22PM
    • It the only way to get the sponsors names in the image.. Plus the guy at the front looks very proud to be in his Lycra.

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:27PM
    • In reference to the final comment on the photo at 2.03.
      I would think the $140 grand was the main point. How much does that make now that TA has been involved in raising for the shelter...close to $250,000?
      Surely worthy of comment without snide throw-away lines.

      Commenter
      Tony
      Location
      Paddington
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:28PM
    • funny or phony?

      Commenter
      half
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:38PM
    • Sharron would be shocked..she can't even stand the fact that Mr Abbott wears speedos when he does his triathalons..never mind that every other athlete does too.

      Commenter
      thereisnoyouinLabor
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:40PM
    • Let’s call this for what it is, Tony Abbott and his polipower team raising $140,000 for a women’s shelter, this is not the first year he has championed this event and not the only one of its kind, there should be more attention to these positive aspects of this man’s dedication to community, well done Tony Abbott.

      Commenter
      Peter G
      Location
      Drummoyne
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:47PM
  • Would a Prime Minister Abbott continue with Pollie Pedal? That would be a challenge for the PM's security detail.

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 2:09PM
    • The Federal Police are already on bikes following Abbott around on his 4am bike rides.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:20PM
  • Rudd remains "a psychopath with a giant ego", as Steve Gibbons, the outgoing member for Bendigo described him

    Commenter
    Hornberger
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 2:04PM
  • It’s inspiring to learn that the Youth Climate Coalition has more members than either of the main political parties. I hope they have the maturity to see past Rudd’s lies on climate change, and see the utter garbage that is Coalition climate change policy, if indeed one can call it climate change policy.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 1:59PM
  • On the Fact Checker findings - shouldn't there be laws against the contenders in an election campaign making such ludicrous statements ?

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 1:53PM
    • Political parties have an exemption from truth in advertising laws, Hacka. If you and I told those porkies we'd get fined or sued. They do the same & get elected.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:12PM
    • Like saying the Nation is in a State of "Crisis", "Emergency" and "Catastrophe"

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:13PM
    • No, not when the majority of the lies are coming from Rudd.
      They should look good in an attack add from the Libs.

      Commenter
      Peter
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:16PM
    • Yeah tasch - The budget is in such a state of emerency that Mr Abbott thinks we have to immediately start cutting govt revenue and increasing govt spending to fix it - hang on which way around should that be?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:27PM
    • for that you need a system direct democracy or a CITIZENS INITIATED REFERENDUM a la Pauline Hanson and the rules of the mob.

      Commenter
      half
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:37PM
    • Hacka
      No. There should be a law against hiding your costings.
      The only reason the Fact Checker is coming up with anything other than "True" is because they can't find any facts either way.
      If Abbott would come clean, we would all know.
      What is he hiding??

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:15PM
    • Steve - i tend to agree that the costings need to start flowing.

      But surely you can differentiate between holding information back, and outright lying.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:33PM
    • Hacka - So if an unexpected parcel was delivered to our shared residence for you and I kept the contents - that would be OK becasue it was holding back information?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:38PM
    • Macca my friend - that is one very long bow to draw - about as long as the ones Rudd and Wong are currently relying on.

      "Mostly false" should have been "Pants on fire".

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:50PM
  • If the country going into debt is such a bad thing, does that mean that Abbott thinks we're all stupid for taking out a mortgage?

    Commenter
    pseudomys
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 1:52PM
    • misleading analogy there. A mortgage is a debt financing an investment in an asset. The country's debt is funding reoccuring expenses. A better analogy would be a credit card debt used to pay for food, water, electricity, etc.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:17PM
    • No because you're borrowing to buy an asset so you have a debt on one side of the ledger and a corresponding asset on the other.

      If you're borrowing to buy your weekly groceries then you have a problem and the ALP have been borrowing heavily to do something similar.

      Based on their own projections if the ALP win this election they will have governed for nine years without producing a single surplus.

      The question I'd like to ask Kevin Rudd is that if you can't produce a surplus in times of record commodity price, terms of trade and revenue generation then when will you?

      Commenter
      Sherlock
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:19PM
    • That’s an excellent point and the answer is no, Tony would encourage you to borrow and buy a property and invest in a house, the banks will insist you stay within your means and make sure your gearing ratio, salary to payback stays in check, Tony Abbott would encourage you to maintain a balanced budget so you had some money left over to put in the bank when everything else balanced, this is the exact opposite of what Labor have done, they got more money in tax revenue but they spent beyond their means, now we have a deficit courtesy of labor to the tune of $30 billion dollars and according to Hacka today about $260,000,000 net debt, so the answer to your eloquent question should tell you, don’t vote for labor.

      Commenter
      Peter G
      Location
      Drummoyne
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:20PM
    • No, just stupid for making comments like that.
      Debt for capital purchases/developments that will produce long term returns is a logical decision. For day to day operating expenditure it is the gift that keeps on taking. We dont have a mortgage debt. We have a big credit card bill with nothing more than some fancy shoes to show for it.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:38PM
    • But wouldn't borrowing to invest in the people of Australia (i.e. the assets) equate to a long-term investment?

      Commenter
      pseudomys
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:50PM
    • pseudomys
      You must be laughing at the ignorance of the replies to your post.
      Obviously no understanding of economics or government spending there.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:00PM
    • And right there is why Labor get in every 3 or 4 terms....

      Commenter
      byebyekev
      Location
      byebyeLabor
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:34PM
    • Steve

      Yes - a little bit! Although it does explain just how short-sighted some people can be.

      Who cares if the government can't pay it back each year, as long as we can in the long run.

      If anyone should be investing in the Australian people, it should be the government.

      It's a bit like saying there's no point borrowing to send your kid to school because they'll never pay you back.

      Commenter
      pseudomys
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:56PM
  • Penny Wong is not as smart as the likes of Shorten & Plibersek. They are distancing themselves far enough from Rudd, that when Rudd finally sinks, they will at least be left with some credibility!

    Commenter
    notlad
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 1:44PM
    • Wong has attached herself to Rudd's hip and will sink as quickly as Rudd after Sept07. Not sure how she survived after Gillard was dumped - she was a founding member of the Gillard/McTernan handbag hit squad.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:18PM
    • notlad

      Have you noticed the look on Plibersek's face when she is standing behind Rudd while he is talking.
      Plibersek either has a look of total disinterest or hatred in her eyes not a smile to be seen. This is totally different to look on her face when she was standing behind Gillard a few months back.
      It seems that the hatred for Rudd is still alive and well within the ALP

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:25PM
  • ALP's new website re Coalition cuts - A PolitiFact rating of ''mostly false'' applies a statement contains an element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression.

    PolitiFact finds Senator Wong's claim "mostly false".

    Commenter
    Baltic13
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 1:39PM
    • That goes along with Wong being mostly false all the time so nothing has changed then.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:46PM
    • Drod, your female staff are already eligible for the Labor PPL plan that pays everyone, no matter what their income I the basic wage, subject to a means test while they are on 12 weeks maternity leave.

      Yes the Coalition plan is much much more generous. I would like to see the Coalition PPL plan means tested and capped at $60,000 for full reimbursement and then a scaled reimbursement from $61,000 to $150,000.

      I also think $150,000 is too high. The only young women I know who earn over $100,000 are doctors and IT programmers. I don't know any young investment bankers or lawyers.

      I do think a positive of the Coalition Plan is that Super will be paid so mothers don't miss out on a good retirement fund because they had children.

      What I don't want to see, and I suspect that Abbott included these cuts in his costings but won't tell us, is the cutting of the Family Allowance A and B or the School Kids Bonus. These are well targeted social welfare payments that assist those on very low wages in our communities - like warehouse workers, retail workers, food processing workers, and the list goes on.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:38PM
  • Instead of just worrying about cigarette companies, how about proper political donations reform - no donations allowed at all?

    Commenter
    pseudomys
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 1:32PM
    • i totally agree, we need reforms on political donations. And in this day and age of technology (until reforms) they should be posted on the AEC within 7 days of banking. And with no shonky trust names.
      And here comes the flak re Graeme Woods genorous amount to The Greens.......

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:49PM
    • Political donations are the main source of political corruption. All political donations should be made illegal and elections paid for by the community purse on an equal basis.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:02PM
    • to achieve what you want you need a direct democracy a la Switzerland in which only the people are sovereign with the legal right to modify or repeal any phony laws something similar to the citizens initiated referendum a la Pauline Hanson.
      Hush Hus Hush

      Commenter
      half
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:48PM
  • Wayne Swan on Kevin Rudd, 2013:

    "For too long, Kevin Rudd has been putting his own self-interest ahead of the interests of the broader labour movement and the country as a whole, and that needs to stop.

    The Party has given Kevin Rudd all the opportunities in the world and he wasted them with his dysfunctional decision making and his deeply demeaning attitude towards other people including our caucus colleagues. He sought to tear down the 2010 campaign, deliberately risking an Abbott Prime Ministership, and now he undermines the Government at every turn.

    He was the Party͛s biggest beneficiary then its biggest critic; but never a loyal or selfless example of its values and objectives.

    For the interests of the labour movement and of working people, there is too much at stake in our economy and in the political debate for the interests of the labour movement and working people to be damaged by somebody who does not hold any Labor values.

    Julia has the overwhelming support of our colleagues. She is tough, determined, forward-looking, and has a good Labor heart. She has a consultative, respectful relationship with caucus while Kevin Rudd demeaned them. She͛s cleaned up a lot of the mess he left her and has established a good, Labor agenda. She͛s delivering major reforms, and getting things done that her predecessor could not. Colleagues are sick of Kevin Rudd driving the vote down by sabotaging policy announcements and undermining our substantial economic successes.

    The Labor Party is not about a person, it͛s about a purpose. That͛s something Prime Minister Gillard has always known in her heart but something Kevin Rudd has never understood."

    Now wonder 7 former labor ministers do not want to serve with Krudd.

    Commenter
    kp
    Location
    brisbane
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 1:31PM
    • Yesterday's verbosity is brought to you by the dullard party.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:36PM
    • I understand that the Liberal Party is about to unleash its uberpersonal attack ads shortly.

      It appears that kp has been authorised by Brian at Lib HQ to give the nasties a dry run.

      Liberal Party eternal slogan no 1:

      "Do as I say, not as I do"

      Liberal Party eternal slogan no 2:

      "Hypocrisy is in our dna. We never miss an opportunity to practice it ourselves while we accuse others of it"

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:40PM
    • So, Kp ?

      This dirty linen has been aired and aired? Did the change in betting odd this morning cause you to find everything anti- Rudd.

      The comment was as long as Pen's (and some of mine) and the other commentators say they are too long to read!

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:51PM
    • Yep the Libs are going to fire back at lying Rudd and I have a funny feeling the fact checker maybe included in some of their mounting material on Rudd.
      They seem to have let Rudd ,Wong etc have the floor so far. I would think they are loading their guns as we speak. Batten down the hatches Labor.

      Commenter
      Melissa
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:57PM
    • Whyalla, the only party that said they would not be negative was Labor, and specifically Rudd. In hindsight a stup thing to see as every campaign will have its negativity. The coalition and commentators have only called him on that lie, not on the use of negative campaigning itself. The only hypocrisy here lies at the feet of Rudd and labor.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:58PM
    • Wipeout,

      They won't be words from the Liberal party. They'll be words from the Labor Party.

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:01PM
    • You have to eat your greens before you can have sweets. The Real Kevin adds where they play back what his closest friends said about him, are the show stoppers. In the last week nobody will be discussing Liberal costings, discussion will be all about the Labor Party and Kevin’s victims.. like Julia and Wayne. A stroll down the Labor party memory lane of quotable quotes will be something we can all look forward to.

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:09PM
    • Oh dear, don't you guys ever shut up :)

      Sorry to disappoint you Whyalla Wipeout, I don't work for any political party or politician or anything like that. have a small company and labor sucks for small business.

      Oh, and Wayne Swan wrote and said that this year about Krudd - you know, Kevin Rudds labor colleague. This is what Krudd's close colleagues think of him.

      If it angers you and Mr Fraser, then blame labor for that character assessment - don't shoot the messenger.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:12PM
    • Can't wait for the anti-Rudd adds to start, you know the ones, where most of the the Labor front bench are bagging him as dysfuctional, physchotic, undermining, sabotager, traitor to Labor values etc etc.

      Should be fun.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:15PM
    • kp, it doesn't anger me at all. What was said was said. My views on Kevin Rudd have been made clear on this forum. It's just curious that Brian's babes are all coming out today with the Rudd attack.

      Now I'm an evidence-based kind of guy. When you and Steve H and Tim from woopwoop all come out with the same Liberal propaganda at the same time (still waiting for Hacka and AV to catch up - must not be as well paid as you guys), then I'm more prepared to believe my eyes that someone saying they don't work for the Liberal party.

      Especially when they are such strong supporters of the original 'don't believe me unless it is written in blood' Tony.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:24PM
    • Do you ever shut up Whyalla Wipeout? :) Mate, I do know who you are referring to when you say Brian - but I am no political staffer, politican or hack.

      Oh, and people having the same opinion is not evidence. I think half of Australia shares my opinion - does that make them staffers as well.

      Clearly Wayne Swan's nasty words about Kevin Rudd have upset you greatly. But console yours with the knowledge that only half of the labor frontbench feel the same way and not all of them.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:04PM
  • Where's Gillard in this campaign?

    Gone missing it seems.

    Wong was asked this earlier today and was visibly rattled - quickly trying to put some spin together and then changing the subject in a nano second.

    C'mon Labor - time to wheel out the person who was your PM only a few weeks ago.

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 1:28PM
    • Gillard isn't contesting this election - why would she campaign? You may as well ask where is Paul Keating?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:35PM
    • Julia Gillard is doing what she said she would do. She is keeping out of the campaign. For all the crap heaped on her by people like you, she was more decent and honourable than Abbott and Rudd together.

      Abbott is more disgusting than Rudd - and the Australian public prefer them both.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:42PM
    • WW Excellent comment.
      I still can't believe how poorly and unjustly Julia Gillard was treated by the MSM, politicians and the general public.
      One amazing PM and person.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:54PM
    • Whyalla Wipe-out, it’s you party and you can cry if you want to, but don’t blame Labors internal turmoil on anyone other than the Labor party themselves, Kevin Rudd sought revenge from the day Julia Gillard ousted him, the comments by Wayne Swan written above are spot on, so spare us the sanctimonious crocodile tears attacking Rudd and Abbott, you’ve been bagging anything coalition for weeks and I think it’s just becoming clear to you that Labor is now heading into wipe-out territory, the people now see Kevin for what he really is, a selfish self-cantered non team player.

      Commenter
      Peter G
      Location
      Drummoyne
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:57PM
    • Macca, I could have sworn that John Howard is not contesting this election, correct me if I'm wrong, but he has been out and about campaigning in some electorates.

      The reason Gillard has gone invisible is because Rudd does not want her to be seen or heard until after the election. Simple as that.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:05PM
    • Tim - That is the difference between Labor and Liberal, you all long for the glory days of yester year where we focus on the future.

      Howard is a big hit with the over 65's!

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:09PM
    • Where are the LNP's policies and costings this campaign. Surely they are more important than the locality of a person who has resigned from Parliament and is not contesting the election.

      The politics of personality are all the LNP and their supporters seemed concerned about.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:11PM
    • Sorry Peter G, but face the truth that Abbott behaved disgustingly towards the Prime Minister because when it came to achieving Government she showed what a nothing he was.

      He never said a decent word to her in the whole time he was Leader of the Opposition and he ditched any and all national interest issues in order to bully her and the independents into submission. They withstood him, which shows how little they thought of his character.

      As for sexism, Tony is great with underling women, whether it is coquettish candidates giggling when he says they have sex appeal, cute daughters dagging around with him everywhere to show he is a good daddy, or the pre-debate hair stylists.

      But put him up against a woman who does not bow to his macho will when he demands it, like Julia Gillard, and the nasty side comes out.

      Rudd did more than his share - but it was a two-pronged attack of male egos that got her in the end.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:17PM
    • "Now Bob Hawke is campaigning with Education Minister Bill Shorten."

      Not much difference after all eh Macka?

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:31PM
    • Who wouldn't retire with a full untax and indexed pension $200 000/year and all the perks and lurks and EXEMPTED from the assets test.

      Did you forget that voting means signing a blank cheque to the mob.

      Commenter
      half
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:43PM
  • Time to run Politifact over "Hacka's" thousands of claims that the Australian Budget is in debt to the tune of $300 billion.

    Even his idol said just yesterday the debt was "under $200 billion".

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 1:27PM
    • That's net debt. Gross debt is over $300B and there is a very real likelihood that the debt ceiling may need to be raised.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:33PM
    • Or maybe your "Gillard will win by 10 seats" claim Fraser.

      Actually, don't bother with Politifacts - we all know as soon as we see J.Fraser at the bottom of a comment it's "false"

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:38PM
    • Today - $268,178,000,000. Budgeted to hit $400 billion in 2015.

      aofm.gov.au
      budget.gov.au

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:41PM
    • The diff is gross debt or net debt. Either is big & scary enough for me. :(

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:42PM
    • And how is Abbotts $30b worth of election promises going to pay down debt?

      And who thinks the govt should of been running surpluses over the past 5 years?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:47PM
    • Stop picking on Frase its hardly his fault Labor threw Gillard on the scrap heap as a dead loss.

      Why, if she was still here she'd be beating the pants off Abbott, isn't that right Frase?

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:50PM
    • Net debt.. Gross Debt.. projected debt...
      The only thing we can agree on is Labor has created national debt Measured in the 100's of Billions When they started with 40 Billion in the bank.
      Not to worry it's like someone on 100k who borrowed 10k to buy a house. Except we don't have 'a house" and this guy never pays his mortgage. he just redraws the same or more every year.... for a decade.... and never pays his mortgage principal ever ... no problem there

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:50PM
    • That's a bit unfair beasleyst.

      Irrational, obtuse, borderline decerebrate,

      but not, of necessity, false

      Commenter
      Louis Cypher
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:50PM
    • Net government debt of 12% of GDP = $180B

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:54PM
    • Cwitty - Is it your argument that the govt shouldn't have run deficits over the past 5 years?
      Could you outline how that would off effected the economy?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:05PM
    • Even the Institute of Chartered Accountants says that the debt ceiling can be raised to promote industry investment and jobs.

      Don't forget that Australia's net government is very very low.

      i wish I earned $100,000 a year and had a mortgage of $12,000 because that is the relative debt Australia has. And I don't see a problem if that debt is raised to $20,000.

      It is all relative and it is about capacity to service the debt.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:34PM
    • Macca - My argument is simple Labor never have to pay back debt. So they never have to worry about racking it up. They can re-draw on the homeloan for as long as they like because they will never ever pay off debt. Liberals worry about Labors debt because they are always the ones that have to clean up after them. Today we need 10 years of consecutive 30 Billion dollar surpluses just to get back to square one…We are looking at a lost decade. But you dream catcher bottom of the garden lefty types will never understand what that means to the country, and it would be foolish of me to expect that you could.

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:37PM
    • Cwitty - You are right your argument is simple - it is so simple that it makes no sense, you fail to take in account any factors that may have caused the debt and you fail to consider whether the debt has provided the economy with any benefit - boiled down you argument is surplus good - deficit bad, and that is simply not the case. In fact your simple argument is everything that is wrong with the political debate at the moment.

      And if you want the ALP to pay back the debt - vote them in again to give them the chance..

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:44PM
  • If the Labor party faithful felt they had their gotcha moment when Tony Abbott made the sex appeal statement, well Kevin Rudd’s nasty treatment of someone trying to do their job to make him look good just takes the cake, it’s an absolute contrast of how Labor try to spin things, they try to make Tony Abbott look bad all the time and most people say if you hate Tony Abbott, you should not meet him as he will completely change your mind, the opposite is said of Rudd, if you love him, don’t meet him because he will dispel any thoughts you have that he is Kevin from Queensland and is here to help!

    Commenter
    Peter G
    Location
    Drummoyne
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 1:20PM
    • I think the ALP has their Gotcha moment when Abbott has racked up over $30b in spending promises but can't explain where the savings will come from.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:23PM
    • Sorry Macca, Kevin has that one with his $30 billion dollar actual, gold plated genuine deficit, the rest is just hypothetical, sorry Macca, nice try but, no cigar.

      Commenter
      Peter G
      Location
      Drummoyne
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:31PM
    • Peter G - So if Rudd has an actual $30b dollar deficit (which is Abbotts starting point) and Abbott has announced $30b in additional spending how much will Abbott have to cut to get a surplus?

      Try to get some grasp of what you are talking about before you type?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:38PM
    • Sorry Macca, but let’s not let the pot call the kettle black here, are you in denial, the PEEFO states that the Labor deficit “is” $30.1 billion, your opening line says “so if Rudd has an actual $30.0 billion dollar deficit” there are no ifs, ands or buts about it Macca, it’s in PEEFO, so get your context correct, your just trying to spin it around as if its Abbotts problem, the deficit is 100% a result of Labor party poor economic management.

      Commenter
      Peter G
      Location
      Drummoyne
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:11PM
    • So an if has stopped you answering the question Peter - does that if mean that Abbott's extra spending won't increase the deficit or make it harder to return to surplus? That's a pretty big if.

      Just for jolly's lets try this again - Given the govt currently has a $30b deficit how does Abbott $30b of additional spending effect that deficit? And how much will Abbott have to cut to return to surplus?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:20PM
  • From the "Headlines you are not likely to see file." Trade Union leaders, Penny Wong, Julia Gillard and Tanya Plibersek, and other lefty feminists, slam Prime Minister Kevin Rudd for his making of derogatory comments towards the female makeup artist last night.

    Commenter
    Facts are
    Location
    Brisbane
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 1:18PM
  • @A country gal I looked at iview around 11pm last night and couldn't find it. Didn't think to recheck it, thanks.

    Commenter
    Gabriel
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 1:14PM
  • Can we now see LABOR's anti-Rudd website. Politifacts won't be able to prove those comments false.

    Commenter
    notlad
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 1:13PM
  • Please LNP - it's time to bring out the advert with all the ALP ministers commenting about Kevin Rudd.
    Politifacts will have a tough time proving their comments false!

    Commenter
    notlad
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 1:11PM
  • What a surprise - Bowen and Wong searching for a "gotcha" but once again being caught out by FactChecker.

    Perhaps they could start to tell us how they plan to balance the budget this year.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 1:11PM
    • Hacka, I think it would be more prudent for Rudd, Wong and Bowen to tell us where their deficit will come from - after all that is all they have delivered for the last 6 years and creating budget black holes is the only thing labor does well.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:51PM
    • kp - Labor probably don't think of their budgetary performance in terms of black holes. A black hole is unfunded, unknown.

      We know that in Labor speak funding means using income then borrowing the shortfall. They haven't found a new way on this since 1989.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:10PM
  • Politifact finds Senator Wong's claim "mostly false".

    Commenter
    beasleyst
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 1:02PM
    • More Labor lies about the Coalition being exposed.
      Should be interesting when the Coalition start firing back at Rudd and his team.
      They/ve been relatively quiet on the attacks. They have to start firing the cannon soon. Look out Kev! Should be an interesting couple of weeks me thinks.

      Commenter
      Andrew
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:19PM
    • Start firing the cannon soon? They haven't stopped firing the cannon for 6 years! Being negative about Labor is all they've done!

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:09PM
  • I'm going to get in here before the usual suspects gleefully talk about Labor's "lies" on Abbott's planned cuts.

    If he would just tell us what they are, we wouldn't need to guess what they are going to be.

    Incidentally, on at least one point in the latest fact checker Peter Martin has simply got it wrong. The "guarantee" he mentions from Joe Hockey doesn't guarantee anything as specific as he says it does.

    Commenter
    Arky
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 1:01PM
    • I think the Liberal campaign strategists would prefer to withold until the last minute & sucker in the Labor ministers into being called fibbers by PolitiFact.

      ...seems to be working.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:20PM
    • Oh please, now fact checker is wrong.

      Commenter
      Jane
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:22PM
  • Did everyone see "The Mod" a couple of minutes ago ?

    Must be a blue moon tonight ... when "The Mod" comes out to help people.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 12:58PM
    • J.Fraser, do try to keep up sunshine, Rudd changed the name a couple of weeks ago. Just like he changed his mind when he said "I will never contest the PM job".

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:25PM
  • Allow me to make these points:
    1) The IMF says Aus handled the GFC exceptionally well, yet we listen to politicians telling us we did terrible
    2) The world science community says we have to urgently do something about global warming, yet we listen to politicians (some who says it's nothing)
    3) The business world says we should get the NBN, yet we listen to politicians on what's better for business
    4) Everybody sees that the PPL is exorbitant, yet we are willing to let that one slip through
    5) Everybody knows that the ALP made some mistakes, which government doesn't?
    6) Politicians tell us how terrible the deficit is, yet most of us have a mortgage or car finance. How about we all sell our assets and just eat bread to get back in the black?

    Commenter
    Prosper
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 12:55PM
  • "On Thursday, Mr Rudd said he understood "the person concerned" had withdrawn their remarks and indicated their regret."

    What SPIN!!!!

    She withdrew the post. She said she regretted posting it because of all the attention it got!

    Rudd is SPIN!!!

    Commenter
    beasleyst
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 12:44PM
    • Maybe she wasn't 'pure of heart'...Oh wait, that comment is reserved for dying asbestos campaigners who annoy Tony Abbott.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:57PM
    • @"beasleyst"

      Now you don't trust Australians.

      I thought your mob were all about trust ?

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:08PM
    • Notice he didn't deny her comments.
      Yep, and he didn't acknowedge that she said she took it down because of the attention it had caused.

      Commenter
      Ange
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:14PM
    • No Fraser, I don't trust Rudd.
      And nor do the ALP.

      For him to twist the fact he was rude into her being wrong is deceitful. It goes straight to the character of the man. He could have said "if I offended her I apologise" but no, not Kevin Rudd. "No hard feelings" he said.

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:18PM
    • beasleyst, for Abbott to oppose the Malaysian people swap on 'humanitarian' grounds, while supporting the open air mental trauma factories on Nauru and Manus is deceitful and goes straight to the character of the man.

      Getting a hairstylist upset is not nice. Opposing a policy for pure political opportunism resulting in more people trying to get to Australia by sea and dying is another level of nastiness altogether.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:36PM
  • I notice that Mr Rudd said "no hard feelings" concerning his reported rudeness to the mak-up lady. Eh? What? Does the man understand anything normally human?

    Commenter
    David Morrison
    Location
    Blue Mountains
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 12:37PM
    • It is his way of apologising. I know lots of people who apologise that way, especially men.

      It does not come across well in a journalist's report or on Twitter or Facebook though.

      I also wonder how long Rudd was able to commit to review of this incident this morning?

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:59PM
  • Love the photo at 12.02. Turnbull has a curious habit of looking to the heavens when he's pictured with Abbott. Make of it what you will. Certainly a funny caption opportunity.

    Commenter
    Passionfruit
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 12:37PM
    • Not as funny as Tanya Plibersek looking like she's sucking on a lemon every time she's near Rudd. Well it is a lemon, a Kevin O Lemon.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:03PM
    • He does do that..I think he is still a little bitter..He is a little arrogant for my taste, but a good minister none the less.

      Commenter
      thereisnoyouinLabor
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:06PM
    • Hey Nulla - quick - look over there at Labor. Can't let anyone comment adversely on the Libs can we. Otherwise they may not be able to hide all those cuts they don't want to tell the public about.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:14PM
    • Still... he hasn't refused to serve in the front bench, or just quit altogether even.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:16PM
    • lol Whyalla Wipeout, the truth hurts doesn't it. You can talk about cuts all you want but the two cuts the Australian voters remember is Gillard cutting down Rudd and then Rudd cutting down Gillard. Sour-faced Tanya is a testimony to that history.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:35PM
    • The truth only hurts Nulla when the nasties and the shills of Australian politics distort it and hide it under wall to wall lies and viciousness.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:45PM
    • passionfruit,

      I run a small business and can't afford to pay maternity leave to staff, hence do not employ young women. Call it discriminatory if you like - I call it being in the business of not going broke.
      This PPL scheme would certainly open my mind to employing young women.

      Commenter
      dRod
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:31PM
  • So Abbott will refund the money the Libs have received from Tobacco companies when the ALP refunds money from the HSU.

    I don't recall the HSU being responsible for thousands of people dying.

    Commenter
    Punte
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 12:26PM
  • Good to see Abbott pointing out Rudd's lies about the Coalition at last!
    Rudd, time to start talking about your own Government.

    Commenter
    Matt
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 12:23PM
    • That would be the NBN, Gonski etc etc.

      All excellent ongoing achievements by a Labor government.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:38PM
    • Good to see Abbott owning up to his massive dishonest campaign on the mining tax and the carbon tax. Oh, wait.

      Good to see Joe Hockey admit he lied to Australia when he said the Coalition's figures last election had been audited. Oh, wait.

      The Coalition have no moral high ground. Their lies (gleefully repeated unchallenged by their media allies) did for Rudd the first time around and did for Gillard. Now they're getting precious when Rudd and co stretch the truth in exactly the same way they are doing even now? Get real.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:40PM
    • Abbott, it's about time you came clean with the Australian public about which services you will cut to pay for your over the top promises.

      And 5 minutes to midnight the day before the election is not good time. It just shows contempt for the voters.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:42PM
    • Fraser,

      Is Gonski ongoing? When did it start? How will it be funded after the 1st 4 years?

      The NBN. How is that progressing to plan? How is that going against budget?

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:49PM
    • You seem a bit like Rudd, Fraser - don't mention NDIS that was Gillards. LOL

      Commenter
      Luke
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:52PM
    • @"beasleyst"

      Could you be anymore negative ?

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:10PM
    • Not like you Fraser, got no answer!

      You can still answer my questions, whether you believe they are negative or not?

      Can't you?

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:23PM
    • Hey Beaslyst, I'm not Fraser but I'm just picking myself up off the floor from seeing a Liberal complain about not getting answers to their questions.

      The Liberal Party - where avoiding answering questions was turned into an art form.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:30PM
  • Stephanie, saying that Abbott called upon Rudd to "refund the cost of travel he received from a German tobacco company last year" is either Abbott getting it wrong or yourself (either should be noted) since it suggests Rudd got money direct from a tobacco company and he didn't. Let's try for truth and accuracy here.

    Meanwhile, Abbott saying he'll refund tobacco money when Rudd refunds money from the Health Services Union is just another sign of how disgusting this man is, to compare the evils of Big Tobacco with the union fighting for the pay and conditions of health workers.

    Commenter
    Arky
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 12:09PM
    • Sure right.. Craig Thompson and Michael Williams from the HSU were fighting for the rights of low paid health workers... Right of course they were. And that money the HSU donated to the Labor party didn’t come out of the weekly pay packets of these low paid workers either <insert your own credit card reference>

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:18PM
    • The donations to the ALP aren't from Craig Thomson.

      They do indeed come out of union dues of health workers who expect the union and the ALP to protect the rights and entitlements of those workers from Abbott and co.

      Acting like there's some kind of moral comparison between Big Tobacco and the HSU is the kind of thing I'd expect from a guy who saw nothing wrong with taking Big Tobacco's money until Labor made it an issue.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:37PM
    • Gee twitty, not a word about tobacco.

      Oh, that's right. The Liberal answer to every uncomfortable question - look over there.

      And if that doesn't work, there is the direct Abbott method: 'shut up' to men and 'calm down' to women.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:44PM
  • "Mr Abbott says he will refund the "modest amount" in donations the Liberal Party has received from tobacco companies when Labor refunds donations from the Health Services Union."

    The Health Services Union had a couple of officials who are now facing criminal charges. They have not been engaged in the business of poisoning Australians for decades and still trying to minimise the impact of Government decisions on their drug-pushing business model.

    Commenter
    Whyalla Wipeout
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 12:06PM
    • Great work Whipeout...
      Defending the HSU.. Nice!! You can do better than that though.. ensure that the HSU is mentioned in tonight’s news. We need more sanctimonious outrage from lefties.. We need more lefties aligning themselves with the HSU leadership even if in a false dichotomy. Otherwise the HSU ..Labor can’t be trusted message won’t cut through. Keep it up you are doing a great job. The Electorate of Dobell can't get enough of HSU talk...

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:41PM
    • The abuse you heap on the HSU is enlightening. The HSU has completely restructured and there is not a whiff that the new leadership in each of its branches is not doing the utmost to further the legitimate interests of its members.

      Your persistence in tarring the union of some very lowly paid workers because of the alleged (they have not been convicted of anything yet) misdeeds of some former leaders suggests that you are just furthering the dirty work of the eastern state Liberal Premiers in driving down the wages and conditions of health workers.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:56PM
    • Whyalla
      While both sides of the floor cling to tobacco industry levies/taxes to support their revenue base I don't think we can demonise political contributions. Short of banning tobacco no party has the high ground on this one.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:17PM
    • dcs, banning any drug of addiction is a disaster because it just leaves the supply field open to organised crime gangs. It has been proved time and time again - the best example being the Prohibition era in the USA.

      I don't want tobacco banned for this reason, but I do want it to be as difficult to get as possible and, most importantly, I want it to be as hard as possible for the drug pushers to get young people hooked.

      As for the taxes, the real crime is the addiction to poker machine revenue by Governments, not tobacco. Tobacco revenue does not begin to pay for the health and social costs of addiction to this drug.

      But as long as any Australian political party, and the policy think tanks they associate with, continue to accept the coin of the these companies, the question of conflict of interest will remain.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:26PM
    • Whyalla Wipeout, I have just heard that Murdoch is going to use part of your name as a headline on Sept 8th.
      "Labor Wipeout".

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:48PM
    • Gee Pres, you are so witty. Are you and Tony both tuned into the latest tweets from His Masters Voice?

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:26PM
  • No more tobacco donations from Abbott.
    Obviously the cheques have already been banked and is this a core or a non core "directive"?
    Liberal Party policy is not made by a statement used for political expediency.
    Just not how they operate and neither do any of the others, rightfully so.

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 12:06PM
    • Ever thought of doing something , anything, meaningful?

      Commenter
      Prickly
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:27PM
    • ACG, I suspect this is more a strategic directive. This is intended to put direct pressure on Rudd in his seat of Griffith where he is being challenged by ex AMA president Dr Bill Glasson. Rudd will win but he may need to spend more time in Griffith, & away from the national campaign, than he would have liked.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:32PM
    • Prickly, I am involved in many "meaningful" activities, but minimal in the heart of winter.
      Mind you fighting for a cause IMO is very meaningful. It's a hobby. LOL.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:36PM
  • Rudd is like an annoying dog
    YAP YAP YAP and more YAP.

    Commenter
    littlemate
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 12:03PM
    • Does he ever shut-up!

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:20PM
  • Bring on Clive and "The Truth" interview.
    But will he tell all?
    Ex friends do more damage than old enemies.

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 12:02PM
    • Well that failed to live up to expectations didn't it. Clive has confirmed that Joe Hackey had no involvement in the matter. So much for the smoking gun theory.

      Next.

      Commenter
      Smokin Mo
      Location
      Ryde
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:34PM
    • Smokin Mo, yes I just watched on SCD.
      Clive was pretty weak. I expected much more, but with that aspect he didn't have direct involvement in, so would be heresay. There is a smoking gun, just no one wants to touch it.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:21PM
    • Smokin Mo - Yeah nothing for the Libs to worry about that Palmer accused a former Liberal Minister and current candidate of conspiring to bring down a sitting member and the speaker of the house - as long as Hockey wasn't involved everything is fine.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:22PM
    • Where is the smoking gun a country gal? if you can see it why don't you pick it up and run with it. But alas your smoking gun is nothing more than a damp squib.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:37PM
    • Glad you agree with me Macca.

      Good stuff.

      Commenter
      Smokin Mo
      Location
      Ryde
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:07PM
    • Nulla IA

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:55PM
    • I'm getting the impression now that Clive's Party is just a stooge party aimed at redirecting preferences back to the Liberals from disaffected Liberal supporters.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:48PM
  • Make-up gate is in full swing. Lily Fontana has been backed up by another make-up artist who apparently had the same experience. On the surface, it is beginning to look like Kevin is the one having issues with treating women respectfully, not Tony. Kevin apparently excuses the incident by saying he doesn't like make-up. How that gives him a license to be rude to someone just doing their job I don't know. I think Kevin has a very short window to apologize or this situation will begin to look like the one with the RAF flight attendant.

    Commenter
    Art
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 12:00PM
    • I see the Coalition supporters have found their latest distraction from talking about policies.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:12PM
    • Is this a case where social media is not good for Mr Rudd?

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:14PM
    • Actually Arky, it is Labor who has been putting the spot-light on people instead of policy for quite some time now. It goes all the way back to Kevin07. It is all about Kevin, not about policy or the Labor team. Interestingly, all Kevin ever talks about these days is Abbott this, Abbott that, Abbott something. Labor have been painting Tony as some kind of monster when it comes to relating to females. To learn about the true character of Kevin away from the cameras is just as important to determining his suitability to be PM as all the noise about Tony's "does he ever shut up" comment earlier this morning. You can't have it both ways sir. Either character matters or it does not.

      Commenter
      Art
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:33PM
    • Manners maketh man.

      Commenter
      David Morrison
      Location
      Blue Mountains
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:39PM
    • Army, it goes to the character of the man, as you lot keep telling us in reference to compliments Abbott gives to a candidate. Rudd wanted a presidential campaign which means him up there warts and all. He wanted this to be about personality, well it seems he is the one with a serious issue, but those who could see past the media spin knew that.
      Alternate view, I don't think social media was ever good for Rudd. He was only ever a passing fad, and people grow to hate fads.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:41PM
    • Kevin Rudd has re opened the misogynist debate. This time, he's the target.

      Commenter
      Facts are
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:56PM
    • Why do we even bother with an election and all this policy and costings stuff, let's just ask a couple of make up artists who they thought was the nicest and be done with it.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:08PM
  • Paid Parental Scheme offered by TA is the biggest rip off. If women think it is a good scheme for them, they are going to be the losers. It is going to lead to employers to employ less of the women workforce and even if they do, they may try to employ women over 45. Young women are going to lose out on permanent employment.

    Commenter
    nck
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 11:57AM
    • nck - that makes no sense. The PPL scheme is not paid for by the employer, so very little loss in them hiring young women. If anything, this policy will enable small business to compete for the talents of highly capable women on an equal footing with large business (who often offer PPL as a hiring incentive today). Overall this policy will help equalize the pay and super gap between males and females - and that can only be a good thing can't it?

      Commenter
      Art
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:13PM
    • I see your point Art but it was ants' nest that didn't need kicking. Abbott could have simply accepted the ALP scheme, which is more suited to our federal budget constraints. In a sense he created his own trap by talking about a budget emergency. Naturally people will think that he must take with one hand to give with another.

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:31PM
    • @Pen,
      I do like your post but may I request the a shorter version than the longer ones it is now taking me way to long to veiw the other post not fair really.Keep them coming but please keep them shorter thx.

      Commenter
      ultra
      Location
      Mel
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:57AM
  • Lily Fontana is my hero for today!!

    Commenter
    Liz
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 11:55AM
    • +1

      Commenter
      ljaz
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:48PM
  • Report that Rudd has just pulled out of a debate with Dr. Bill Glasson and others at the Powerhouse Theatre, Brisbane. Rudd was booked for this some six weeks ago. And this coming from the man who was taunting Abbott that he will "debate him, anywhere, anytime." now he doesn't even want to face his opponent in the seat of Griffith. Running scared and it's now time to "man up, Mr Rudd."

    Commenter
    Facts are
    Location
    Brisbane
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 11:55AM
    • He already debated Bill Glasson when Abbott was still in hiding.

      If this debate was booked six weeks ago, then it was before the election was called. All of the leaders reorganised their appointments once the election was called.

      It is totally ridiculous to conjure this up as failing on Rudd's part. Only a Liberal shill could think this one up.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:22PM
    • I'm pretty certain Rudd debated Glasson at the beginning of the campaign. How any do you want him to do?

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:24PM
    • Oh dear, Passionfruit and Whyalla Wipeout. It's sad when people comment before doing research. This debate that Rudd has bailed from at the last minute, involves more people than Dr. Glasson. Here is an extract from Brisbane Times. The House of Power debate includes candidates from the seats of Griffith held by Mr Rudd; Lilley held by former Treasurer Wayne Swan; Brisbane held by LNP's Teresa Gambaro; Oxley held by Labor's Bernie Ripoll; Rankin held by Labor; and Moreton held by Labor's Graham Perrett.

      Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/kevin-rudd-snubs-local-debate-with-seat-rival-20130822-2scx2.html#ixzz2cf5PCRmE

      Commenter
      Facts are
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:39PM
    • Facts are: If you were literate enough to read my post you would have seen that I was not questioning the existence of the debate, but noted the fact that BOTH LEADERS cleared their diaries once the election was called.

      NOBODY knows where Abbott will be even tomorrow. I bet it won't be where he arranged in his diary six weeks ago.

      Still, Liberals see everything in black and white. Their guy is white; the opposition is black. No need to use you brain beyond that; you just use your Brian (Loughnane).

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:48PM
    • I see what you mean, Whyalla. Just a few days ago Abbott was also lambasted by Labor Campaign HQ for snubbing local debates & forums in his electorate.
      "''Do the Coalition believe in allowing Australians to reap the benefits of an open, accountable democracy before an election? Or are they now taking their cues from Stalinist Russia?'' the Labor release said. :D

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:05PM
    • Hey Lewis, Rudd debated Glasson during the campaign. Will Abbott debate Jules Zanetti? Or is it the same as always with the Liberal Hypocrites: 'do as I say, not as I do!'.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:17PM
  • Abbott is on TV talking about health. Denying he cut Health to disasterous levels when he was health Minister. I remember this era of not being able to get operations in the public service for years.....He is all for privatisation, and in my experience if this happens like it has in US, many Medical Professionals (Doctors, Specialists, etc) have ended up working for huge profit making medical corporations, for low wages.

    Commenter
    LeaveHealthaloneAbbott
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 11:54AM
    • Leavehealth....

      Was this the era that the state governments (who are responsible for hospitals) were ALP?

      Commenter
      dRod
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:13PM
    • Facts and history are against you there. Tony Abbott actually increased health spending during his tenure as health minister. The $1B cut that Rudd keeps throwing out there is a lie.

      Commenter
      Art
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:23PM
    • Abbott increased federal funding for health from $8 billion per year to $10 billion a year.

      That said, hospitals are controlled by state governments. What the state does with the federal funding supplied for health is up to them, but considering every state back then was controlled by labor, I would say your gripe about not being able to get an operation is with the state labor government of the day, not with Tony Abbott who increas health funding by $2 billion.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:25PM
    • PolitiFact has already ruled this as FALSE.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:38PM
    • Kp the funding for health comes from the Federal Governments. Abbott cut the funding to States when he was Federal Health Minister. Abbott tells fibs.

      Commenter
      ItsaFact
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:23PM
    • ItsaFact, polifact and every other organisation bar the labor party disagrees with you. That's a fact. Tony Abbott increased funding to health by $2 billion when he was minister. And the states do run the hospitals - that's politics 101.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 4:15PM
    • Kp your facts are just plain wrong. Abbott cut funds, I worked in this area. And the States ran hospitals, (except nursing homes) but the FEDERAL Government supplied the money under Abbott (and lack of it). While the Rudd Government changed the funding when he got in before Gillard,.. It is still heavily funded by the FED Gov.

      Commenter
      It's a fact
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 4:38PM
  • Kevin Rudd: "I have a habit of coming back"

    That's not what you said a few months back!

    Commenter
    beasleyst
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 11:53AM
  • Does anyone know where I can watch yesterday's leader's debate online? And if there is nowhere, can I request that someone put it up somewhere? I would like to watch it.

    Commenter
    Gabriel
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 11:45AM
    • There are edited highlights on yesterday's wrap.

      http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/the-pulse-live/election-wrap-august-21-2013-20130821-2sa30.html?rand=1377136871159

       

       

      Commenter
      The Mod
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:02PM
    • Gabriel, just did my good deed for the day googled ABC iview.
      Full transcript there.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:13PM
    • Yeah, I don't want edited highlights. I've seen that. I want to see the real thing.

      Doesn't sound like too much to ask, I mean given everyone's talking about it but I can't actually see what the deal is first-hand.

      Commenter
      Gabriel
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:45PM
    • @A country gal I checked iview last night, around 11pm, and I didn't find it. Didn't think to recheck it, so thanks for that.

      Commenter
      Gabriel
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:18PM
    • Full debate now available:

      http://media.smh.com.au/news/federal-politics/second-leaders-debate-in-full-4683051.html?rand=1377145999316

      Commenter
      The Mod
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:39PM
  • Hahaha,

    Kev announces a "free service to help reduce red tape"

    I'll bet you have to fill in about 300 forms to qualify!

    Commenter
    beasleyst
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 11:42AM
    • Yes, we would prefer you just cut the red tape Mr Rudd. Not create another "agency".

      Commenter
      notlad
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:54AM
    • Nearly every example of "red tape" I've seen business complain about was actually already in place under the Howard government. The implementation of GST and BAS statements comes to mind.

      This mantra of cutting waste and cutting red tape is all very well as a generality, but there's a real lack of specifics. It's just a slogan, a motherhood statement, with nothing behind it.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:02PM
    • Arky,
      You should talk to anyone in the building and construction industry about the red tape introduced by this ALP government.

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:15PM
  • Lily Fontana didn't withdraw the allegation. She took the post down because a flood of Lefties launched into abuse mode, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good cover up eh, Stephanie?.

    Commenter
    Alex
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 11:38AM
    • What a surprise.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:55AM
    • Agreed. Importantly she "regrets making the comments". She has not withdrawn them.

      Commenter
      Tony
      Location
      Paddington
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:57AM
    • Notlad, you don't seem to grasp the funny ways of the human psyche. The world is full of outrages and one could argue that no one should be paid 250k, especially when, say, nurses are paid a fraction of that. Similarly, many highly paid women in the private sector also get very generous PPL from their employers. Which raises the interesting question, will Ms A in her high level gov job or Ms B in her banking executive job get 125k or 75k on top of existing entitlement or instead of the existing entitlement? So will these women actually get less than current situation?? Or will it be a combo payment so that 75k comes from Abbott scheme and the rest from the government employer (say NSW gov) or bank employer (to give a total of 125k)?

      Regardless, this PPL proposal had opened an unnecessary can of worms. The very fact it's new and may have negative consequences for some of us has brought out the "fair police". This cannot be seen as anything other than a political mistake.

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:38AM
  • Passionfruit: I don't think any of the more needy people you are talking about are worried about losses from their dividends!

    Commenter
    Dave MCD
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 11:32AM
    • Maybe you are very young Dave and have the misconception that only rich people have shares. Almost everyone with a super fund had shares and part of the fund growth comes from dividends.

      Moreover, they are many pensioners and self-funded retirees who are struggling on their current income streams. For many of these people, at least part of their income comes from dividends and franking credits.

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:03PM
    • If someone's income from shares is big enough for the slight reduction if franking credits to be noticed, they must be pretty well off.

      Commenter
      David Morrison
      Location
      Blue Mountains
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:43PM
    • A large chunk of my self managed super is in high yielding blue chip shares so dividend are very much part of my savings strategy. But to say that the PPL's exclusion from imputation credits will be a worry in as far as my investments' performance is a furfy. There are a lot of company tax imposts that do not qualify for credits. This is just another.

      Having said that, I still think Abbott's PPL is a dog of a policy.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:53PM
    • Funny how the small addition to an electricity bill from the carbon tax is such a big deal then. Least many of those affected got compensation for that. Maybe many pensioners and self-funded retirees ARE sensitive to small changes in their income or expenditure?

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:17PM
  • So Kev won't deny his treatment of the make up artist.
    Labor can bang on as much as they like about Abbott's aggressiveness, but Rudd has a mountain of instances of abusing people off camera.
    Kevin Rudd is a fake when the camera's are rolling. His ex colleagues appear to be correct about his real character.

    Commenter
    Kim
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 11:28AM
    • Yep just ask Peter Beatty. Ooops, he's changed his opinion...

      OK, ask Peter Garrett then.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:58AM
    • The woman has withdrawn the post. Talk about throwing a grenade and then hiding your hand.

      Commenter
      Believer
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:00PM
    • If you wanted a decent and honourable Prime Minister who was gracious in private and in public, you should have kept Julia Gillard, who was worth more than Rudd and
      Abbott together.

      We all know about Rudd, but Abbott is incredibly fragile in public when he does not get his way - hence the 'shut up' comment in yesterday's debate.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:01PM
    • Believer,

      She has shut her facebook page down due to the unwanted publicity she was getting.
      She says she wishes she hadn't made the statement, but she has not said she withdraws the statement. There is a big difference.
      Kev has already fobbed it off by saying he hates getting make-up on, so I would see that as Kev knowing he was rude.

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:19PM
  • If anyone caught Rudd's speech at Geelong you'd realise that he ain't giving up and there are several chinks in the Coalition platform that will be easy to exploit, media willing. The PPL is a real stinker. If Labor is smart they will keep framing the argument as - TAKING FROM THE MORE NEEDY AND GIVING TO THE LESS NEEDY.

    Not everyone is having babies, and some that will already have children and will miss out on the school kids bonus...and will get no PPL or only similar amount to current program. So in theory you can have a struggling family losing out but a well-off family doing very nicely thank you, from the government purse! Add to that fears of lower dividends...which means a lot of us are paying for this largesse!

    Commenter
    Passionfruit
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 11:20AM
    • So passionfruit I guess you'll be complaining and campaigning against the generous uncapped PPL received in the PS out of our tax dollars? What's that I hear....crickets?
      Or maybe that's why they're scared because maybe they'll lose some of their cushy entitlements.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:42AM
    • Seems to me Abbott is playing straight off Howard's song sheet.
      Costello; An extra baby for the nation.
      Abbott ;PPL favouring the rich.
      Howard; Tampa, children overboard.
      Abbott; Stop the boats, more votes.
      Telling the same fibs about economic management (Rudd got the low interest rates message through last night).
      Note Ruddoch the shadow, nothing new here it's a Howard dejavu moment.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:44AM
    • AR, see my reply on the "Brettie 10.26" post. I think Abbott has made a big mistake, regardless of the current PS PPL. If he wins, it will be despite, not because of his PPL. Btw, I work for myself and don't have any children (nor will have any).

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:53AM
    • A opposed to Labor's 'New Way'? Such a new way that they resurrect a discredited prime minister in Rudd whom they loathe, a failed ex-Premier of Queensland being parachuted in after they knifed a local member and lets not forget former Premier Carr doddering around as a zombie Foreign Affairs Minister. Labor's New Way, just like the old way just more rotten.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:03PM
    • ACG - What’s that you say? "Abbott is just like Howard"!! Nice work. Welcome to the blue team. When Howard makes a quote or an appearance during the campaign, this will be your cue to remind everyone that Tony is just like Howard. See you at the victory party…

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:10PM
    • And I repeat where has your outrage been for the exorbitant PPL received in the PS? Either you find that offensive too or you're being completely disingenuous, I suspect the latter.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:28PM
    • AR, I don't agree with overly generous PPL full stop, especially if covered by taxpayers one way or another. But two wrongs don't make a right! I'm not outraged however as there are more important things to care about. I'm simply pointing out that Abbott has unnecessarily made PPL an issue.

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:25PM
  • Rudd is a dud plain and simple. Why the ALP ever replaced Kim Beasley with him I will never know.The bloke is just a fake and will say anything and do anything in his desperation for power. I can't beleive he is still leading the ALP after what many in the parliamentiary Labor said about him after he was ousted as PM previously.

    Commenter
    Phil
    Location
    Nullagine
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 11:15AM
    • Says it all, really.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:34AM
  • Interesting picture - fake PM talking to a fake fish.

    Commenter
    Puzzled
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 11:03AM
    • On the contrary The Youth Climate Coalition has more members than either of the main political parties, perhaps even close to the two put together. They are the next gen who is doing everything digital, no newsapers, no or little comm TV. Their votes are the ones the polls don't account for. Nothing fake about the Youth Climate Coalition, a new force the big two need to notice and listen to. The Greens are.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:33AM
    • Haha a country gal, more members you say? How many members are paid up financial members? Or do you just qualify membership as how many receive an email bulletin every week or like a page on Facebook?

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:41AM
    • My fav was the elephant in the room protestor last time... I don’t know how many suits they went through… and some days were hot!!
      ACG - 70K Non-financial members does not a movement make. Young people are more likely to vote on Big Brother Eviction night, then join a free climate coalition, and BB voting costs them 55 cents plus standard call costs.

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:52AM
    • nulla, I have no idea re financial or not. I'm a bit too old to qualify but whether you adhere to their ideals or not there is no denying they are a strong and unified voice of today's youth. Any equivalent strength of numbers in another political youth group or aged for that matter? Not that I'm aware of.
      Enlighten me further if you can.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:54AM
    • Its a bit difficult to enlighten you country gal because you cannot tell me how many members this Finding Nemo club has or whether they are financial members. You're the one making outlandish statements and then you run and hide when asked for proof.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:11PM
    • Nulla I'm not running and hiding from anything. just downloaded their 40 page annual report. Wow they do,do good things.
      70,000+ members in 2011. it would appear they donate rather than flat fee.
      I stand by my statement that these young people are proactive and political, looking for a better world. They will not be measured in any traditional poll. if you don't realise that by now you never will. GetUp which probably attracts similar/same had a "raffle of bullion" if you enrolled for the election. They are a voice that will affect the election. Like it or not.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:40PM
    • Nulla and Cwitty, what does it matter that they are not financial members of an organisation that you don't believe in? The fact is they vote (and/or will vote in the future) And no prizes for guessing whether they will vote for your lot or not

      Commenter
      Rusty
      Location
      qatar
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 3:20PM
    • Passionfruit,

      Are you aware that public servants get 6 months paid maternity leave at their current salary level - not capped?

      That's right, a woman in the PS earning $250k gets $125k, and that comes straight out of taxpayers money.

      Where is the outrage!

      Commenter
      notlad
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:01AM
  • "This country was in a superb fiscal budgetary position when the global financial crisis occurred," Mr Howard says

    This country was in a terrible budgetary position when the GFC hit.

    The whole budget had a major structural flaws due to Howard's failure to introduce unsustainably low tax rates instead of using the unexpected windfall from the mining boom to invest in the social and physical infrastructure in this country.

    Commenter
    Whyalla Wipeout
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 11:01AM
    • Well what sort of position is it in right now then?

      Go on tell us how Labor is going to deliver a surplus and pay off its debts before the end of the next millennium.

      Ho ho ho.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:23AM
    • What absolute nonsense. The ALP mantra about how they saved us from the worst recession in history is the biggest lie, of many.

      The fact of the matter is that the Howard government handed them an economy which was in fabulous shape, with $70 billion in the future fund (which of course was created for investments such as infrastructure) and no net government debt.

      Also, the GFC was essentially a northern hemisphere problem, linked to the heavy exposure to sub-prime loans and many economies already being in substantial debt.

      Australia had neither of those problems.

      We also had China continuing to boost our economy through the mining boom, throughout the post GFC period, further shielding us from the effects of the GFC.

      Of course, the ALP went berserk in a wild orgy of spending, based on the lie that the GFC would be the worst recession since the great depression. And what did they build for us? Important infrastructure like ports, roads or airports? No, they built school halls at extremely inflated prices and installed pink batts at great risk to all. Nice one.

      Every budget they have produced has had a significant "black hole" in the order of about $20 billion and even this year's budget already has a black hole in it worth $11billion after only three months.

      Lastly, there is a $90billion black hole just waiting to be brought to budget in the out of control and way over budget NBN.

      When are we going to see the NB business plan Albo? Not before polling day, that's for sure. And we know why.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:25AM
    • It is far too easy with the Rustys… It’s not even sport anymore.
      Welcome to the team Whipeout! What you need to do is attempt to build a case that life was worse in the golden Howard years... What Kevin needs right now is everyone comparing life under Howard with Life under Rudd/Gillard. No one is nostalgic about Howard...*cough*. Remember every time you see the former PM in this campaign your job is to remind people what life was like under Howard.

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:26AM
    • AV and SteveH. Nice to see you guys stick to the official Loughnane lines, but just about every economist outside the IPA disagrees with you.

      Calling the GFC 'a northern hemisphere problem' is a bit like saying that Krakatoa exploding was a Javanese problem when it is now known that it affected the whole world's weather pattern for years.

      But then you guys support the climate change deniers Party, so I'm not surprised you only removed your heads from the sand long enough to fire off your posts.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:31AM
    • Coalition View: When you say the GFC was "essentially a northern hemisphere problem" you lose all credibility right there.

      The relative lack of exposure to subprime and synthetic CDOs is why our big 4 banks didn't fall over (but did you see what happened to all the smaller lenders even here?)

      The global credit crunch affected everyone- there's a reason the Australian banks came screaming to the government for a guarantee and why the Australian stock market went into freefall.

      Howard happened to be in office during a gigantic global boom/bubble. He spent like it was going out of style. Then the GFC hit just as Labor took office. Every time Abbott or a flunky makes the comparison between Howard budgets and post-GFC budgets, it's just dishonest.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:39AM
    • Howard also taxed the bejesus out of us too

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:50AM
    • I love it when you start calling me names!

      Certainly, Australia did have some exposure to the GFC, I am not saying that it did not. But it had nowhere near the catastrophic potential that the ALP has constantly spun to justify it's spending orgy.

      The reality is that the GFC was over before most of the school halls were actually finished and paid for.

      And of course, in spite of the tax revenues rising steadily since 2007, the ALP has managed to spend more than it earned and left us nearly $300 in debt.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:53AM
    • WWipeout, yeah its all a big conspiracy against Labor, they haven't put a foot wrong during their whole term in government. Everyone else is to blame.

      Pathetic.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:04PM
    • AV, it will come as shock to you, given that you get all your information from the Liberal Party daily talking points, but the GFC is not over yet.

      SteveH, I will ignore your pathetically abusive and meaningless last post and answer the earlier one which asked:

      "Go on tell us how Labor is going to deliver a surplus and pay off its debts before the end of the next millennium."

      I know you are still struggling to make sense of the meaningless platitudes in Abbott's Real Silliness booklet, but the answer is set out in the Government's economic statement released before the election was called.

      In the meantime, how is the Liberal Party going to deliver a surplus and pay off the debt before the end of the next millennium.

      Apart from the magic waste pudding, we still have not seen any figures.

      What are they hiding if not CUT, CUT AND CUT AGAIN?

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:16PM
    • Hey WW, I am not even a member of the LP, nor do I have their "talking points". I am a politically active person who can see through the ALP spin.

      I am also a small business owner that knows what this Government has done to the economy. It may even be in recession now, in spite of the rest of the world economies being in recovery mode.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:28PM
    • AV, you don't need to be a member of the Liberal Party to have their talking points. I just can't work out how you and Hacka and SteveH keep spouting the crap de jour if you don't have a direct feed.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:50PM
    • WW, oh yes the one that came out after the last one, and the one before that.

      jeez is there a pattern here d'ay think?

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:57PM
    • Steveh, your beloved leader has a solution to the difficulties of forecasting in a volatile economic environment:

      Hide your real plans from the stupid punters and feed them crap about Labor.

      Worked so far....

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:08PM
    • WW. The 'beloved leader' I've got is me, and the only plan I've got is to have a glass of wine at 6pm.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:28PM
  • The makeup artist who did the Leader's makeup for the Forum said that one of them was extremely rude to her. Guess which one.....

    http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/makeup-artist-lily-fontana-slams-8216rude8217-kevin-rudd-after-people8217s-forum/story-fnho52ip-1226701851346

    Commenter
    Mack
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 10:58AM
    • I wonder if the female RAAF flight attendant would agree with the make up artist?

      Commenter
      Facts are
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:22AM
  • Abbott loses his cool in the debate and his minders get worried it will worry voters about his agresive side - cue tweet saying what a nice guy he his and plenty of comments about how long he hung around to speak to the common people, throw in a quote from Warrne Mundine and whitewash complete.

    Now that's "authentic abbott"

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 10:55AM
    • Guess what Macca75, that's because it IS the authentic Abbott.

      You really are having a hard time coming to terms with that, aren't you?

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:32AM
    • AV, the authentic Abbott is a nice guy in private as long as you don't get in the way of his ambition. Try asking him a question he does not like and not taking his bulldust lying down and then you get the real Abbott.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:04PM
    • Where was the lie re PPL? My understanding is that it's available to every new mother, regardless of income, but it's capped at 75K. So that's 75K to some women who simply don't need it. And yes, in theory they could be earning a million or have millions in assets.

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:51AM
  • The unions are planning to spend $12,000,000 on election advertising. Given the way the polls are going, wouldn’t it be more prudent for them to hang on to all that money. Better still, why don’t they give some of it back to their members....you know, like Kevin gave away Australias saving.

    Commenter
    Isenz
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 10:37AM
    • They do not care about the money they are spending as like the ALP they are very good at spending other people's money because they have none of their own to spend.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:40AM
    • Watch out employers, you are about to get a visit from your industry "organiser" to get those "membership dues" for your employees up to date.

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:46AM
    • No doubt the CFMEU is worried about the ABCC being reinstated...

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:12PM
    • Yep, won't just be able to "pop-in" to site anymore and stop work for a "how to vote" chat. All under the guise of WH&S of course!

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:27PM
    • Better still why don't they put it all on the Libs at $`1-09.

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:09PM
  • Did anyone see the 22 minute Labor add on the ABC this morning from Geelong? Goodness me, if I had a Billion dollars for every time Rudd lied that the PPL was for millionaires I’d have a bigger deficit that the Government! Fortunately is was followed by 5 minutes of independent assessment from Penny Wong. Still I’m sure an Abbott seat launch will receive something from Trioli and crew soon. Is Virginia running for a seat yet?

    Commenter
    Brettie
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 10:26AM
    • Where was the lie re PPL? My understanding is that it's available to every new mother, regardless of income, but it's capped at 75K. So that's 75K to some women who simply don't need it. And yes, in theory they could be earning a million or have millions in assets.

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:51AM
    • Passionfruit,

      Are you aware that public servants get 6 months paid maternity leave at their current salary level - not capped?

      That's right, a woman in the PS earning $250k gets $125k, and that comes straight out of taxpayers money.

      Where is the outrage!

      Commenter
      notlad
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:01AM
    • Notlad, you don't seem to grasp the funny ways of the human psyche. The world is full of outrages and one could argue that no one should be paid 250k, especially when, say, nurses are paid a fraction of that. Similarly, many highly paid women in the private sector also get very generous PPL from their employers. Which raises the interesting question, will Ms A in her high level gov job or Ms B in her banking executive job get 125k or 75k on top of existing entitlement or instead of the existing entitlement? So will these women actually get less than current situation?? Or will it be a combo payment so that 75k comes from Abbott scheme and the rest from the government employer (say NSW gov) or bank employer (to give a total of 125k)?

      Regardless, this PPL proposal had opened an unnecessary can of worms. The very fact it's new and may have negative consequences for some of us has brought out the "fair police". This cannot be seen as anything other than a political mistake.

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:38AM
    • passionfruit,

      I run a small business and can't afford to pay maternity leave to staff, hence do not employ young women. Call it discriminatory if you like - I call it being in the business of not going broke.
      This PPL scheme would certainly open my mind to employing young women.

      Commenter
      dRod
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:31PM
    • Drod, your female staff are already eligible for the Labor PPL plan that pays everyone, no matter what their income I the basic wage, subject to a means test while they are on 12 weeks maternity leave.

      Yes the Coalition plan is much much more generous. I would like to see the Coalition PPL plan means tested and capped at $60,000 for full reimbursement and then a scaled reimbursement from $61,000 to $150,000.

      I also think $150,000 is too high. The only young women I know who earn over $100,000 are doctors and IT programmers. I don't know any young investment bankers or lawyers.

      I do think a positive of the Coalition Plan is that Super will be paid so mothers don't miss out on a good retirement fund because they had children.

      What I don't want to see, and I suspect that Abbott included these cuts in his costings but won't tell us, is the cutting of the Family Allowance A and B or the School Kids Bonus. These are well targeted social welfare payments that assist those on very low wages in our communities - like warehouse workers, retail workers, food processing workers, and the list goes on.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:38PM
  • "We're going to fight, fight, fight."

    Oh dear, Kevin Potter now thinks he's the new Rocky.

    Wakey, wakey Kevin the journey is almost over.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 10:25AM
  • Did anyone notice how quickly Rudd scurried out of the forum last night ? Abbott stuck around and kept answering questions from the floor.

    You'd reckon that the people's man would want to revel in the adoration of his constituents .... oh wait on .... they weren't schoolkids. Or maybe the makeup artist chasing him to ask him a question.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 10:21AM
    • Rudd flew out of Brisbane last night, Abbott didn't leave until this morning - theres the difference.

      It seems there is a big campaign today to make Abbott more of a people person, first the tweet from the make up artist now multiple "observations regarding how Abbot stuck around longer - I suppose it's just more "authentic Abbott"

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:31AM
    • Good point Macca. Seriously, are we voting on the future direction of the country based upon petty personality issues? While Rudd ain't my favorite person in politics I find it very easy to choose Labor based on the entire team and policies. While each leader has their flaws, Rudd is more statesmen-like. That superficial element probably does matter to some degree. Yes, he can talk...but I prefer that to someone who struggles with articulation.

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:41AM
    • Yes Macca, Rudd felt uncomfortable at the Broncos Leagues Club and hightailed it out of there to the more secure surrounds of a trades union hall with a rent-a-crowd. He was probably also in desperate need of a toilet break after consuming a peculiar amount of water during the debate.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:43AM
    • Macca

      As much as you wish you did , you don't need to use ' ' marks for the word authentic when describing Abbott.
      Abbott is authentic.

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:45AM
    • Lily Fontana who did the make up of Rudd and Abbott commented "One of them was absolutely lovely, engaged in genuine conversation with me, acknowledge that I had a job to do and was very appreciative. The other did the exact opposite! Political opinions aside...from one human being to another...Mr Abbott, you win hands down.

      Commenter
      impy cant wait sep7th
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:45AM
    • There were no cameras around for Rudd to perform in front of, therefore no point talking to real people.
      As for flying to Melb. it would not have been on any commercial airline he would have travelled on so the plane could have left when he arrived at the airport.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:45AM
    • yys - Abbott is authentic? Is that the Abbott whp said climate change is crap or the Abbott that want to spend billions of dollars of tax payer money on it? Is that the Abbott who said paid parentla leave would come in over his dead body or the one who wants to spend billions of dollars of tax payer money on it?
      Is that the Abbott said there was nothing wrong with the current education funding system or the one who now wants to spend billions of taxpayer dollars on it?

      It seems that any time Abbott changes his mind it costs the tax payer billions of dollars?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:52AM
    • Macca75, Passionfruit - it was Rudd that demanded a presidential style campaign.

      Let's give them more Kev - a new way - was the Labor plan. They haven't worked out yet that people seem to want less Kev.

      Labor made this about personality. What's plan D ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:54AM
    • Don't worry Macca, he will blame someone in "his staff" for not giving him enough time for a chat to the folks. Guarantee by this afternoon...
      BTW, it wasn't a commercial flight. He could fly anytime he wants.

      Commenter
      notlad
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:56AM
  • Why don't people understand - you vote for a party, not a prime minister.

    We have the LNP who have remained faithful to their leader, united and spent enough time in opposition to get themselves ready.
    vs
    The ALP who have had their brand smashed through corruption, in-fighting, under-mining, and are far from united, supporting a leader they despise.

    Which party is better suited to running our country for the next 3 years?

    Commenter
    You vote for Parties
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 10:21AM
    • +1

      You'd think it would be a no-brainer! The ALP will only get their house in order from Opposition.

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:28AM
    • Spot on 100% .

      Commenter
      ultra
      Location
      Mel
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:02PM
  • Stepanie, please pass on my congratulations to Jacqueline for her running commentary on this blog last night :-) She had me giggling here for the duration of the debate, & afterwards. Did she get to meet her favourite bloke - the bald-headed one with sunnies on his head?? :-)
    It was a great night & made watching & reading much more fun & interesting.

    Commenter
    Rosie
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 10:10AM
  • PETER VAN ONSELEN
    Kevin Rudd won convincingly. Tony Abbott was disrespectful to the office of Prime
    Minister, suggesting Rudd ‘‘shut up’’.

    When even this bloke think Abbott's comment were wrong you know the had to be bad!

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 10:10AM
    • Really? Peter's wife is an open Labor supporter.

      Commenter
      KM
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:26AM
    • Really, you'd take an Onselen comment as the great decider?

      Onselen tweeted the other night during the televised debate between Hockey and Bowen that Menzies had 17 deficits.
      That tweet came with no context - world war etc. No acknowledgement that economic conditions are different today, Mining Boom etc. High Receipts etc.

      Abbott was merely stating what a lot seem to think - that Rudd likes the sound of his own voice. In the context where Abbott made the remark it was appropriate as Rudd was waxing soliloquyly.

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:38AM
    • Oh so Peter and his wife are the same person?
      I know in liberal land the wife just does what the husband says but in reality 2 people can be married and have opposing views.

      Read anything that Van Oselen has ever written and you will see which side of the fence he sits.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:41AM
    • Van Onselen was a policy analyst in the non-government sector (2002) and before that briefly worked on the staff of Tony Abbott when he was Minister for Workplace Relations in the Howard government before the 2001 election. ).

      Dr van Onselen has written or edited four books, including the best selling John Winston Howard

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:42AM
    • Yeah yys - Peter is only to believed when he is toing the liberal party line, as soon as he says anything against the party he is completely untrustworty.

      And I notice you missed the GFC and bascially a worldwide recession in the past few years - no it was all rivers of gold for the ALP and tough times for Menzies.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:58AM
    • You do realise that you are effectively a double agent today. That is why the 'Shut up' line was so genius. Verbosity is one thing that people do not like about Kevin. Asking if Kevin ever Shuts up makes Tony look human and less robotic and gives everyone an opportunity to agree that they would like Kevin to 'Shut up'. Tony reminded everyone of a trait they do not like in Kevin. But the true genius is that the ‘rusted on’ will promote it for Tony. They will provide Sanctimonious comments like this that are inauthentic, without even realising the reaction was anticipated. Welcome to the Blue team Macca. Please complain about Tony being a thrifty Minister in the golden Howard years. Complain that he is too close to his daughters. Complain that he said Fiona Scott has sex appeal and Complain that he told Kevin to shut up. (This one’s a cracker) Complain that he is too generous to mothers…..Nice. Don’t forget to keep reminding people he will not release his costing until the last minute just like Labor did, then you get to argue that something that Labor did was untrustworthy. This gives the liberals more traction in the “Who do you trust?” question, than anything else and it is promoted entirely by the rustiest.

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:58AM
    • Macca75
      Re Onselen, Political commentators don't always see things through our 'ordinary voter' eyes even though they are repositories of much information about politics That's why Onselen's opinion on Abbotts comment to Rudd is just another opinion. Political commentators have to listen to politicians as that is how they make their living,so they would have a high tolerance level for listening to them.
      But we don't have to listen to Rudd or Abbott and Rudd frankly talks 'at' you, not with you as Abbott does. Abbott was just saying what a lot of viewers would have been thinking about Rudd going on and on and on.

      The thing is the ALP overspent in the GFC. They had rivers of gold in receipts but I think they panicked a bit. It is to our detriment as we pay it back for years to come.

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:19AM
  • Another day another sausage eh Kev? It must be offal.

    Commenter
    Puzzled
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 10:09AM
  • The Australian reports:

    THE boss of the nation's largest union says Kevin Rudd has stopped talking about gay marriage because he realises it will cost Labor votes in its heartland and among ethnic communities.

    Commenter
    Puzzled
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 10:07AM
    • Totally agree - The inner city seats that support Gay marriage are already voting left of centre. The only way Gay marriage can change the vote for Labor is down. The Coalition would do well to quietly support a 'Vote for gay marriage Vote for labor' campaign in traditional Labor seats like Blaxland Reid, by funding a marriage equality group. The intelligentsia won’t like it but Labors Gay marriage bill is a BBQ stopper amongst the Hi Vis Crowd.

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:20AM
    • When did he stop? Clearly it wasn't last night.

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:20AM
  • Photos at 9:56 & 9:57.

    Taken at a "community event"?

    No, taken at Union HQ.

    Commenter
    beasleyst
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 10:07AM
    • Stephanie re photos @9.56 & 9.57

      What kind of 'community event' would have all those Union banners in the background?

      Is it another case of Rudd chewing the fat with his 'mates', in search of a friendly photo opportunity?

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:23AM
  • Two things I noticed which weren't "part" of the discussion, but really go to the types of person they both are:
    1. Rudd was clearly "worked up" into a frenzy for the debate. He was turning his back on everyone after every "barrage" and throwing down that water throughout like a dog with rabies. Clearly he was uncomfortable, and role-playing. Abbott didn't go for the water, stayed focussed, and didn't turn his back on the audience or opposition during the debate.
    2. After the debate, Abbott stayed and spoke to the public for more than 20 minutes. Rudd took off after about 5.

    Commenter
    notlad
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 10:02AM
    • Did you see the look on Rudds face when Abbott said he was going to hang around and take more questions from the audience...

      Commenter
      Isenz
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:11AM
    • Rudd was on a plane last night, Abbott flew out this morning - I think that explains the difference in after debate chat.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:28AM
    • maybe Kev just "had to zip" to go see some "folks" down the road.

      Commenter
      notlad
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:30AM
    • Macca,

      was it a commercial flight?

      Commenter
      notlad
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:57AM
    • Rudd talks at people.
      Abbott talks with people.

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:58AM
    • It has been reported that Rudd had drinks with journos instead.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:01AM
  • Despite opinion of the brain washed and gullible of the 2013 election issues compass finds:

    “After slipping from the national agenda, the environment and climate change are now back to prominence.”

    At the forum last night an undaunted Rudd claimed: “Emission reduction of 20% by 2020, our emissions from “electricity generation were down 7% and our general emissions were plateauing.”

    There is only one atmosphere in which Co2 in 1955 was 315 ppm, last week atmospheric carbon past 400 ppm, due mainly to coal production.

    “Australian Coal production in 2010-11 realised: 352.1 million tonnes, 2011-12: 376.8, and 2012-13: 407.2, with a forecast of 554.9 million tonnes in 2016-17”(ABARE Australian Commodities March Quarter 2010 and BREE Resources and Energy Quarterly March quarter 2012. f forecast).

    These figures translate in Co2 atmospheric emissions an increase from 2010-11 of 1.07 billion tonnes to 1.587 billion tonnes by 2016-17.

    In addition at 7930.9 KWH per capita the increase in population over this period: 22,065,317 to 23,305,898 = 5.62% increase in KWH per capita.

    Clearly while Abbott is in a perpetual state of climate change denial, Rudd is using semantics to cover up his deception of truth by lying: “Our emissions have fell by 7% and our general emissions are plateauing.”

    This statement by Rudd is utterly false and misleading by our coal production figures alone. One cannot claim reductions in atmospheric Co2 while governing over increased coal production and population increase, to believe otherwise is credulous in the extreme.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 10:02AM
    • Pen,

      Speaking for myself here. Can you summarise just some of your posts into say 50 words or less. I lose interest beyond that.

      Commenter
      blog rules please
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:10AM
    • blog rules please

      Don't blame me for your child like attention span. If you do not accept that climate change is the most important issue I suggest that you read up on economics.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:26AM
  • The makeup artist from the debate posted this on her Facebook page:

    Just finished doing Kevin Rudd and Tony Abbott’s makeup for the People’s Forum at the Broncos Leagues Club.

    One of them was absolutely lovely, engaged in genuine conversation with me, acknowledge that I had a job to do and was very appreciative. The other did the exact opposite! Oh boy, I have ever had anyone treat me so badly whilst trying to do my job. Political opinions aside...from one human being to another...Mr Abbott, you win hands down.

    Commenter
    Puzzled
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 9:46AM
    • And there you have it.

      Commenter
      thereisnoyouinLabor
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 9:58AM
    • Wow, a Sky News employee makes a publicised comment that sounds like Hacka wrote it? Yawn.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:00AM
    • Conveniently on message tweet from an "impartial" member of the public - I am sure there was no agenda.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:01AM
    • This story sounds very dodgy to me. Even if it was the other way around, I would be suspicious.

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:05AM
    • Doesn't ring any bell about VIP flight stewards and veggie meals, what about the lack of a hair dryer in Afghanistan? The man has form for this type of thing.

      Commenter
      thereisnoyouinLabor
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:12AM
    • Listen to the doubters.

      It can't be true.
      It's a conspiracy.

      Wake up! Kevin Rudd's own party despise the guy. 7 Cabinet members 'will not work with him". Are they all part of this conspiracy too?

      Even Warren Mundine said Tony Abbott is a genuinely likeable person.

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:13AM
    • As Warren Mundine (former ALP national president) has said, if you don't like Tony Abbott, don't meet him because you will find he's a really nice bloke.

      And the much publicised comments of 1/3 of the ALP caucus who can't work with KRudd also back up the veracity of this claim.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:21AM
    • It's been confirmed that this is the make up artist who did their make up.

      Commenter
      Mel
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:23AM
    • The Facebook page has now been removed. Fascinating.

      Commenter
      Tony
      Location
      Paddington
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:31AM
    • She removed it because she didn't realise it would get so much attention apparently.
      These little insights into Kevin Rudd show how fake this show pony is in front of the camera's..

      Commenter
      Joe
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:48AM
    • Sky News hosted the event - Murdoch [Check]

      Comments first published in the Daily Tele and Herald Sun - Murdoch [Check]

      Prime Minister's aren't cuddly teddy bears - [Check]

      Commenter
      Jace
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:26PM
  • For people who think about what was said by the contenders for the Prime Ministership, rather than rely on impressions, it was difficult to reconcile Abbott's plea about Rudd's " negativity" and "lies" in Abbott's final speech.

    It was a blatant attempt to paint Rudd as the more negative and less trustworthy of the two and perhaps members of the audience swallowed it.

    Abbott's performance has improved so much in this campaign, I might be forgiven for thinking he has been taking acting lessons.

    However, it was Rudd's introductory speech that was positive, spelling out Labor's vision for Australia.

    Abbott's introductory speech was a negative attack on Labor and its historical performance.

    Abbott did not even acknowledge Rudd's presence in his opening remarks. Of course, Rudd, ever polite, did acknowledge Abbott.

    Abbott kept accusing Rudd of being a liar. Rudd kept asking Abbott for answers.

    So Abbott's sorrowfully delivered speech on how disappointed he was by Rudd's "negativity" held no traction with me.

    It was purely calculated manipulation of the audience.

    Whoever has been grooming Abbott has done a good job. He is performing (and I use the word advisedly) well.

    He is well prepared. He has learned his scripts well. He has perfected his ability to make connections with individuals and an audience.

    Rudd needs to change tactics before he meets Abbott again next week because now their performances are too close.

    Commenter
    TiredOfSpin
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 9:42AM
    • Abbott proved Rudd was a liar on all those occassions - such as when Krudd said the PPL scheme numbers did not add up. Abbott pointed out they did by listing where the funding came from. Krudd said Abbott was lying and then Abbott pointed out it had already been costed by treasury - oops, Krudd caught out lying.

      Then Krudd accused Abbott of pulling $1billion from health, when health funding increased by $2billion (from $8billion) when Abbott was health minister. That is a 6.5% increase in funding per year under Tony Abbott. If Rudd and labor call that ripping out $1 billion, then now wonder our economy under labor is now shot.

      For someone who is tired of spin, you sure do a lot of it.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:12AM
    • I think Rudd started the debate very well; sounded positive and gentlemanly. And the rest of his performance was an appropriate mix of positive and negative, with just enough assertiveness. For people who don't think I can be objective, ask my friends; they'd tell you that I was a Julia supporter who listed Rudd as one of three people who annoy the hell out of me (the other two being Abbott and Assange). But I have to give credit where credit's due. He has a certain x-factor that is desirable in leaders. While Abbott is remarkably devoid of it.

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:19AM
    • I think you should get your patch off.

      Commenter
      nairobi
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:18AM
    • Interesting replies.

      I think Rudd missed a trick when he was pressing for a reply about funding for the PPL. He was obviously fishing for the $1.5 billion that "facts" says could be regarded as unfunded in their verdict of "half true".

      Abbott used good spin ( sorry!). He said that it was found to be fully funded ( truth) but did not tell us HOW.

      Rudd was right to say it did not add up.

      So why won't Abbott tell us the source of that $1.5b? He obviously provided the information for the costing, but won't share it with voters.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:04PM
  • To all those people asking about a supposed $70b hole in the coalitions costings, instead of asking about a projected forecast how about asking the ALP about the more than $80b difference between their costings at the 2010 election and what they actually achieved. Remember the surplus last year and this one they were crowing about only last December that turned into a more than $30b deficit each.Now that's a black hole to be worried about.

    Ask that seeing they were so far out in 2010 why should we believe them this time?

    Ask if the fact that they are now predicting a surplus in 2016/2017 is because it won;t happen until after the next election.

    Ask if a Australian government can't produce a surplus with record commodity prices, terms of trade and revenue then when will it produce one?

    Ask if they think it's reasonable that based on their own projections that if the ALP won this election they will have governed for none years without producing a single surplus?

    Ask where the money is coming from for the NBN and why they won't release the latest report that they already have possession of?

    Ask both parties how they intend to fully fund the NDIS and Education reforms (Gonski) way in the future because neither of them have a plan for it today

    Commenter
    Sherlock
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 9:41AM
  • "Does this guy ever shut up?" - Aren't our leaders supposed to lift us up, make us feel we can be greater than we are - all this sort of comment does is continue the trend of politicians treating us like idiots, thinking we are incapable of grapsing complex concepts and instead feeding us focus group driven slogans.

    We deserve better.

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 9:39AM
    • No that comment was just a natural react to the fact that Rudd always tries to talk over the top of whoever he is debating.

      He did it in the first debate too, talking over his allotted time on almost every occasion.

      The fact is that KRudd tries to overwhelm with verbiage, and Tony Abbott was right in pointing it out.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:07AM
    • He could still point it out a maintain a respectful demeanour!

      Or maybe he could just answer the questions put to him!

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:15AM
  • Given Rudd;s habit of saying the minimum in the maximum amount of words I suspect Abbott's comment had most people cheering loudly.

    Commenter
    Cat
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 9:38AM
  • Has Rudd breathed fire back into the campaign ?

    Well the folks over at Centrebet reckon so - Labor have rocketed in from $7.50 to $7.25.

    Can we call that a momentum shift ?

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 9:30AM
    • The momentum is with the Coalition, no doubt. people are willing to forgive a rude and aggressive natured man, like Abbott, because the momentum is with him. However, my main concern from last night's debate is the admission that superannuation and investor portfolios will be adversely affected by Abbott's parental scheme policy. I fail to understand why the press is not scrutinising this REALLY IMPORTANT issue.
      I certainly do not think it is fair for self funded retirees, my parents, your parents, you, people who worked hard all their lives not to rely on government handouts - to pay for women who earn up to $1500000 their maternity leave.
      All investors will have their franked dividends affected by this ill conceived attempt at winning the female vote.

      Commenter
      Mali
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 9:58AM
    • That type of bet is called a donation to the bookies

      Commenter
      WhatThe
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:40PM
  • I had to switch from 7 to ABC. That graph on 7's screen at the bottom took my concentration from what was being said and I found myself watching it more then them. It's like having sub titles.

    Commenter
    Patrick
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 9:29AM
    • I watched it direct from the Pulse. Vid wouldn't open on my PC so watched it on my iPad, only buffered briefly a couple of times. Excellent coverage, Tony Wrights visual wasn't the most complimentary (from his PC in his kitchen) but the audio was fine. All good. So my wifi worked well.
      Imagine with the NBN though and that was one issue I expected to be raised- being in Murdoch's territory may have been a factor?
      Thankyou to the team at The Pulse: the broadcast and Jaqulines posts made for a great broadcast. A whole package rather than just watching the TV.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:00AM
    • Country Gal, Rudd didn't hold back about the NBN this morning at Geelong!

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:44AM
  • Rudd looked like he had over rehearsed for his gig.

    Commenter
    Adam
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 9:26AM
  • "Cut, Cut and Cut" is of course 4 words, not three words as claimed by Kevin Rudd (in the context of his claim s of Coalition slogans)

    Commenter
    Vulture
    Location
    Gladesville
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 9:25AM
    • Then can you explain the LNP's costings and why Tony Abbott wants to sack 12,000 public servants but open Australia's gates to foreign workers with 457 visas?

      What is Tony Abbott going to slash in order to pay for the new style baby bonus? Education, health, increase the GST?

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 9:35AM
    • Sharon .
      As someone who has already voted for Kevin. You will probably never understand that we do not need thousands of people working for an education department that does not run any schools.
      P.S When anyone in the Cwlth education department (no schools) takes baby leave they get 6 months on their full pay without a cap. Those rich mums on $250k in the PS are getting $125k tax payer funded baby leave - now that’s a baby bonus.

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:03AM
    • @Sharron: nice ALP scripted reply there.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:12AM
    • Oh come on Cwitty there may be a potential mum or two on $250k in the Commonwealth PS, but there aren't that many staff on that sort of salary. A lot of the positions to go will be $80k-$100k people.

      However, I also note Abbott said "natural attrition", so it's not technically "sackings". It is a loss of jobs. These days with a lot of people on fixed term contracts that's essentially the same as sackings.

      Commenter
      Norm
      Location
      Maroubra
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:23AM
    • Norm,
      I put it to you there are on average higher salaries for women in the public service than private enterprise.

      Commenter
      notlad
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:37AM
    • I know some public sector agencies pay people at the lower level (eg day to day admin) more than they get in the private sector, and I know some private sector jobs pay more than public sector similar jobs at the higher levels. Pretty mixed bag. But I stick by my assertion that there are not many people, full stop, who earn $250k (I know a few, none of them women).

      Commenter
      Norm
      Location
      Maroubra
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:33PM
  • I hope Rudd is pacing himself today. He looked very run down last night. The forum was great. Should have had three of these instead of the silly leadership debate. Great idea from Tony these forums. Too bad Kevin Rudd hasn't agreed to the one in Sydney yet.

    Commenter
    Sarah of Carnegie
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 9:24AM
  • Abbott says "Does this guy ever shut up?" - The phrase may have tested well in focus groups (more evidence of that "authentic" Abbott) but is that really what we want in a PM?

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 9:22AM
    • Tony Abbott certainly isn't what I want in a Prime Minister.

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 9:31AM
    • In a programmed specificity context - yes

      Commenter
      Louis Cypher
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 9:33AM
    • Yeap. Sometimes things need to be asked He didn't actually tell Mr Rudd to "shut up". He asked the question. See the difference?

      Commenter
      Sarah of Carnegie
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 9:34AM
    • What about the expletive laden you tube video.
      Is that what you what in a PM?

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 9:37AM
    • A leader who is not afraid to speak his mind? Absolutely YES!

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 9:40AM
    • Agree - that was definitely the tag line that the media needed. Short enough to be replayed slightly sensational and just believable.. Some people will be agreeing with the remark today. They opposition call him Campaign Kev but I do believe Tony is putting on a Clinic with his campaign media cycle management. The ‘Sex appeal’ statement was no Gaff.. Short enough to be replayed, slightly sensational and just believable. Fiona Scott is now a household name. He scored off the same play twice when he backed up with ‘Not just a pretty face’ and it got the same run. Polling now suggests that Fiona Scott is now set to take out David Bradbury.

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 9:45AM
    • Sarah of Carnegie - That seems to be Abbott's defence for a lot of things, to me it still is unflattering for a leader stoop to that level.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 9:47AM
    • I prefer Tony Abbott telling Kevin Rudd what the rest of Australia was thinking to Mr Rudd's breakdwn on video when he was trying record a message in madarin and swore his head off.

      Or how about how Mr Rudd treated the make-up artist before the debate? Or how Mr Rudd behaved when there was no hair dryer during one of his trips abroad? Or when Krudd's preferred sandwiches were not on a plane and he subsequently abused the defence personnal serving the food?

      There is a reason Mr Rudd was dumped the first time he was PM and a reason why 7 labor ministers refused to serve under Rudd; the same way there is a reason why Abbott has kept a unified team for four years in opposition and why all opposition members want to serve on his frontbench if Abbott gets elected. Because Tony Abbott is a leader while KRudd is not.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 9:47AM
    • Lewis - You cheer a leader not afraid to speak his mind yet in Abbott we still have no idea what he is thinking - how will he pay for his $30b in spending promises so far this campaign?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 9:56AM
    • KP - There is also a reason why Abbott only won the leadership by a vote, with a vote against in the hospital unable to be cast.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:02AM
    • well said kp.

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:04AM
    • Yes, the comment, which I believe was not scripted, just showed us that Tony Abbott is a real person and knows when his opponent is being overly aggressive.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:11AM
    • Macca, yes I do cheer ANY poltician who speaks their mind but I am deffinitely not a fan of the political class spending other people's money. How is Abbott going to pay for his promises? If I was naive I would hope he does pay for it with cuts. Even better if he never made that stupid PPL promise at all. But being a realist I suppose Abbott will pay for it the same way Labor does. With more debt.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:23AM
    • Macca, 4 years ago Abbott may have won the leadership by one vote, but he has not been challenged since. Can any leader in the labor party say the same thing?

      For that matter, I also notice all the conservatives wants to serve in an Abbott ministry if the coalition win - can Krudd say the same thing. That's because Abbott has been a strong unifying leader for 4 years, while Krudd has been a white-anting, leaking, disloyal 'psychopath' according to his former colleagues.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:24AM
    • I bet the make up artist doesn't agree with you.

      Commenter
      Warren
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:38AM
    • This reminds me of a boss I once had who would says

      "shut up and get back to work!"

      whenever he lost an argument or if I said something he didn't like.

      Worst boss ever!

      Commenter
      Peter A
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:52PM
    • What would you do with someone stepping up in your face, butting in and generally being show you no respect when your speaking.

      Frankly faced in that situation a lot of people would have said far worse.

      Commenter
      WhatThe
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:42PM
  • Rudd gave a performance piece straight out of the play-book of the propaganda puppets especially imported from the U.S. to buff his image.

    The only genuine emotion expressed was Abbott's frustration at the yappy Pekinese bouncing around his ankles.

    Still. It will be enough for Fraser, sarajane , and country girl to deluge this blog with Abbott loathing bile.

    Commenter
    Louis Cypher
    Location
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 9:20AM
    • I think you're doing a fine job with the bile by yourself.

      Abbott's frustration that he is actually being challenged and being asked to make commitments (e.g. on what parts of the Fair Work Act he plans to undo) and say what he's planning to cut after the election, well, that was genuine alright- if you think that's a good thing that's a worry.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 9:57AM
    • Good morning Louis, sun is shining, wattles in full bloom and the birds chirping. The coffee is yum, with my cup half full.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:20AM
    • Arky they're desperate for Abbott to win and when he does and is able to be his true nightmarish self they will dump him and put Turnbull in, they can't lose, only we can

      Commenter
      havasay
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:00AM
    • Beautifully put Louis pure gold the pony show coming to a town near you soon but may I add you do need to see it now,roll up roll up and see as it will be the last time that the Dudd show will be in a town near you as it has been confirmed the show pony was a Fake HA!

      Commenter
      ultra
      Location
      Mel
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:12PM
  • Stephanie, any objective observer would say that Rudd won the debate. Whether it was "winning" in the sense of election victory, only time will tell. I still maintain a week is a long time...and two weeks an eternity. What Rudd did achieve is a launching pad to the crucial final weeks of the campaign. His speech in Geelong this morning was excellent; one for the true believers! As long as people keep listening, Labor is very much in this race.

    Commenter
    Passionfruit
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 22, 2013, 9:19AM
    • I couldn't agree more!

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 9:26AM
    • He won nothing, everyone has already made up their minds.

      Get over it.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 9:31AM
    • "A Facebook post, allegedly by a woman who claims to have done make-up for the two leaders at the people's forum last night, is creating waves on social media this morning.

      The poster, Lily Fontana, said she did both leaders before the debate, and said "one of them was absolutely lovely... the other did the exact opposite! ... Mr Abbott, you win hands down".

      From the News Ltd could this be true?

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 9:45AM
    • One commentariat, Michael Gordon, gave a narrow win to Rudd. The voters who attended the forum gave the narrow win to Abbott. Yep, place your bets folks & take your chances.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 9:46AM
    • SteveH, just another typical negative response from the LNP.

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 9:47AM
    • This post is like that speech in Geelong...'One for the true believers'. It seems the 29% club are getting the old band back together.

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 9:51AM
    • SteveH, I suspect you are half my age. If you had seen as many elections as I have you'd know that many a government as come back from polling figures like those recently. Silly me thought Howard was gone on each occasion; only once was I right. While some people hate the government of the day, whatever their stripe, they sometimes vote for it again. And some people truly make up their mind in the very last days.

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:02AM
    • terry: Hmm, a Facebook post allegedly from an employee of Murdoch-owned Sky News immediately being publicised by Murdoch-owned media sources which is pro-Abbott and anti-Rudd and reads like it was written by a PR person.

      Ho hum.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:03AM
    • Arky,

      ... and 7 ministers of the ALP that refuse to work with Kevin Rudd...just the work of PR people?

      Ho hum.

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:25AM
    • Sharon, its called political reality sweetie.

      Passionfruit, its all about the numbers luv, and we're not talking birthdays.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:27AM
    • beasleyst: I don't pretend I particularly like Rudd as a person myself, but I can tell a PR plant when I see one.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:31AM
    • Arky,

      Was Warren Mundine a PR plant?

      Just face it, maybe Tony Abbott really is a good guy!
      That would explain why the ALP have spent so much energy and devotion trying to discredit him paint him as otherwise.

      Commenter
      notlad
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 10:46AM
    • Let’s just all get it straight that it matters NOT AT ALL whether the leader is a nice guy or not. Maybe the 20 or so people who work directly with that leader will care, but the entire rest of the country don’t need care. What is infinitely more important is their policy direction.

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 11:32AM
    • It's amazing that someone who has seen as many elections as you would not have learned that Labor is poison, always was and always will be. Look back no further than the past 6 years to see the worst it possibly could have been.

      Rudd and Labor a dead ducks, no matter how much hype you try to create it's going to be a massacre, and rightly so!

      Commenter
      Prickly
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 12:46PM
    • Gee Prickly, its amazing for someone who has seen as many elections as I have to realise that Liberals have never contributed a single idea to the future of Australia.

      Liberals have only ever claimed public credit for what Labor have done in office, while undermining it behind the scenes.

      Best example is Medibank/Medicare.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 1:32PM
    • So Rudd had a big Rant and got told to shut up. That's not winning. No one else will remember anything but this from the debate.

      Commenter
      WhatThe
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 22, 2013, 2:38PM
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