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Politics wrap: July 11, 2013

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Thanks for joining me and Andrew Meares for the mini blog today.

I didn't get the sense Prime Minister Kevin Rudd feels there is any urgency to call the election, did you?

On the matter of possible dates - have a look at this piece we ran earlier in the week about possibilities.

We will see you out there in political wonderland some time soon.

That was really the full Rudd and dice on display there.

There were hand gestures, frequent use of the word "folks", a new addition to the Ruddicon - babies are now "munchkins", a reference to John Maynard Keynes, a reference to Monty Python and a self deprecating quip about his nerdiness (this could refer to either the discussion about the prime ministerial shaving cut or Mr Rudd's love of graphs).

If you'd like to read just a once over of the speech you can find our story about it here.

There is also a separate piece about what Mr Rudd's comments on Lisa Clutterham's might mean about her preselection chances. (This also contains a video with an interview Ms Clutterham recorded with The Age's Clay Lucas earlier today.)

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

I'm just going to post this picture of Treasurer Chris Bowen largely because I find it a bit hard keeping up with who's who in the new ministry and this helps jog my memory.

Mr Bowen, funnily enough, will be making his own appearance at the National Press Club next week to launch his book in which he details the direction he believes the Labor Party should take.

Treasurer Chris Bowen listens to Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday.

Treasurer Chris Bowen listens to Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has brushed aside the Prime Minister's suggestion that he is too negative.

"All Mr Rudd has is criticism of the opposition," Mr Abbott said in Melbourne a short time ago.

"He had a plan to destroy a prime minister but he doesn't have a plan for the country."

Mr Abbott was also asked about the future of the government's education reforms.

Mr Abbott said all states and territories would need to commit to the changes before the Coalition would support them.

This is significant because it appears to be a hardening of the Coalition's position. Previously education spokesman Christopher Pyne had said the changes would be considered if a majority of states and territories signed up.

Dr Matthew Call shows Mr Abbott immune system proteins at the Walter and Eliza Hall Institute in Melbourne.

Dr Matthew Call shows Mr Abbott immune system proteins at the Walter and Eliza Hall Institute in Melbourne. Photo: Jason South

A "greatest hits" package of Prime Minister Kevin Rudd's address to the National Press Club can be seen here.

 

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National Press Club address

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd calls for a pact between government, business, and unions to drive economic competitiveness beyond the resource boom.

If you'd like to read the full transcript of Prime Minister Kevin Rudd's speech you will find it here (NB - it is the speech only not the questions and answers).

Mr Rudd confirms he will travel to Papua New Guinea next week (hmmm - I'm not sensing that Mr Rudd has any particular desire to head into an election campaign any time soon, are you?).

His final question is about the adequacy of the unemployment payment, Newstart.

Mr Rudd confirms that cabinet will look at the level of Newstart as well as issue of the 84,000 single parents who were moved from the sole parent payment to Newstart on January 1 this year.

Mr Rudd says he does not want to raise expectations that anything can be done but "we will be doing what we can".

And that's a wrap for Mr Rudd's appearance at the National Press Club, people.

 

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Rudd is asked about his plan to reform the way leaders of the Labor Party are elected.

Would the planned changes work if Labor was in opposition (typically a time of greater turnover in the top job)?

Mr Rudd says how the reforms would apply in an opposition are "open for discussion".

What the reforms are really aimed at doing, Mr Rudd explains, is reassuring voters that if they cast a vote for Labor led by a particular person that that person will "still be there after the election".

 

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Ah boats, asylum seekers, immigration policy and the like.

Mr Rudd says he is not about to come up with a three word slogan because he thinks "the Australian people are too intelligent to tolerate that kind of thing from us or anyone else".

But, he concedes, the numbers of people coming to Australia by boat is a "real problem" and a "growing problem" and "we are required to change our policy" when new facts appear.

Mr Rudd is asked if he would change industrial relations laws if business asked him to.

Mr Rudd says that business is not using the existing Fair Work Act enough as it is.

And the shadow treasurer, Joe Hockey, has tweeted in:

"I'm a human, I shave, I cut myself from time to time and, guess what, it bleeds," Mr Rudd says when asked why he shared the photo of his shaving cut.

 

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Rudd is asked about Lisa Clutterham (you couldn't say that her interview this morning hasn't garnered her national attention).

"I thought it was a pretty curious interview", Mr Rudd says, noting he has not met Ms Clutterham.

(Ms Clutterham has been backed by supporters of Mr Rudd.)

Mr Rudd says a local community connection is a good thing but candidates should also have skills and be able to demonstrate how he/she could promote the community's interests in Parliament.

"I am out for the best possible people we can get," Mr Rudd says before stressing that his "overwhelming preference is local ballots".

In other words, the Prime Minister is not going to be drawn into backing a candidate in the race for Lalor.

Mr Rudd concludes by saying all this is possible.

"I believe we can transition Australia again, capturing the gains of the Asian century while diversifying the Australian economy so that in the future we have all sectors, all our cities and our regional centres lifting their economic performance."

"Australian Labor governments manage transitions. We sketch the future. We harness the energy and ambition of our people. And as the people's government we put policy to work to put the changes in place that best secures our future."

[Note the phrase "the people's government" - I bet you hear that a lot in the future.]

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd addresses the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd addresses the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Rudd takes out a graph.

(His staff warned him against in case he was accused of "excessive programmatic specificity".)

There's a (gulp) seven point plan to help us be more competitive.

Let me summarise them for you:

  • the cost of electricity is too high by international standards and is affecting both business and consumers;
  • the industrial relations system is working, pretty much, but some businesses could use it more to make their operations more efficient and profitable;
  • not all the problems of business are due to the labour market;
  • there are too many environmental assessments required by state and federal governments and the aim should be "one single integrated assessment system";
  • we must be better educated particularly in vocational education;
  • we need more trains, roads, freight, wires and lines (aka infrastructure); and
  • things should be better for small business.

Mr Rudd harks back to the dark days of 2008 when things were decidely murky on the international finance stage and his record in keeping Australia from falling into recession.

Nearly five years on and Mr Rudd says "the three Ps" - population, workforce participation and productivity - continue as "the core economic future for the future".

Mr Rudd says there must be a "new national competitiveness agenda" to lift Australia's annual productivity growth rate to at least two per cent.

Mr Rudd has had four meetings in the past fortnight with the Business Council of Australia and the Australian Council of Trade Unions to discuss the issues around productivity.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd addresses the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd addresses the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Rudd says he had wanted to debate Opposition Leader Tony Abbott about the economy.

But Mr Abbott isn't there so he will continue on that theme solo.

Mr Rudd says there is danger Australia will price itself out of the market. He points to the recent decline in the terms of trade as a "critical influence" on jobs and the standard of living.

"The truth is in 2013 - the China resources boom is over," Mr Rudd says.

"Right now we find ourselves at a crossover point for our national economy."

For anyone who was made aware of Mr Rudd's shaving cut yesterday (and that's anyone who uses any kind of social media) - it's getting better. See?

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd points to his healed shaving cut before the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd points to his healed shaving cut before the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd begins by saying his faith and optimism in Australia is based on a "cold, hard, rational analysis of the facts".

"And the core fact is this - Australia is seen around the world as one of the strongest economics, most stable of societies and a national underpinned by a robust national security. For these reasons I object to anybody in our national political debate talking Australia down. Of course there are things we need to improve and the process of reform is never ending."

"That is different to a daily diatribe of negative politics who's single objective is to cause the Australian people to feel that our country is on the verge of falling apart - if not now, then certainly by next Thursday afternoon."

(No, there's no empty chair - Clint Eastwood style - at the Press Club.)

Nearly ready to go at the National Press Club.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd is about to start speaking. He had a brief chat with the dashing Mark Kenny, chief political correspondent for The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age, on the way in.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd with chief political correspondent Mark Kenny on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd with chief political correspondent Mark Kenny on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

I love a good political debate. I think it's a bad thing all round that the most a federal election campaign can produce these days is one head to head encounter with the leaders of the major parties. But then I would say that, wouldn't I?

The Greens were frustrated when former prime minister Julia Gillard did not make good on her commitment to set up a Leader's Debate Commission (to be fair to Ms Gillard events somewhat overtook her in that final week of Parliament).

The commission would be independent and set dates for at least three debates within a period of three months before a general election. (Naturally the Greens wanted to be included in the debate line up.)

The idea would put an end to the current state of play where the major parties faff around on dates, format, host, panel, location and finger food until there is only time for one encounter.

Reporter Henrietta Cook is with Opposition Leader Tony Abbott.

She has filed this update from the Walter and Eliza Hall Institute of Medical Research: "Mr Abbott is being taken on a tour of the institute and is wearing a starched lab coat and glasses. He chats with scientists, peers through a microscope and inspects slides of proteins."

Wow - if the social media reaction to Lisa Clutterham (see 11.38am post) is anything to go by her political career will be shorter than Mal Meninga's.

Do you think people who want to seek preselection should live in the electorate before nominating?

Have your say in our reader's poll which you can find here.

Mr Rudd will receive membership to the Press Club for his speaking efforts. But no special treatment for him - he'll be member number 8125.

A National Press Club membership card for Prime Minister Kevin Rudd.

A National Press Club membership card for Prime Minister Kevin Rudd. Photo: Andrew Meares

One of my co pilots, Alex Ellinghausen, is making his way back from Indonesia after accompanying Prime Minister Kevin Rudd on his first overseas trip.

Andrew Meares is the man with the camera today.

Earlier on he captured this image of former trade minister Craig Emerson giving a kind score to his replacement - Richard Marles - at an event at the Australian National University in Canberra.

Former Trade minister Craig Emerson scored his replacement, Richard Marles, at an address to the Australian National University in Canberra on Thursday.

Former Trade minister Craig Emerson scored his replacement, Richard Marles, at an address to the Australian National University in Canberra on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Where is Opposition Leader Tony Abbott today? He's in Melbourne and will shortly tour a medical research facility. I'll bring you some snippets from his visit and the subsequent media interview when I have them. Funnily enough the visit is happening at the same time as Mr Rudd's speech.

Online political editor Tim Lester recorded this interview with Greens Senator Larissa Waters and the man who is still technically a senator even though his time is spent campaigning to be elected to the lower house seat of New England, Barnaby Joyce. They are discussing what they would like Prime Minister Kevin Rudd to talk about at the Press Club in a wee while.

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Two senators put their economic questions for the PM: national debt and deficit for Barnaby Joyce, and the gap between rich and poor for Larissa Waters.

Back to the Prime Minister's speech for a moment.

It is called - wait for it - "A new national competitiveness agenda for Australia".

A few select lines have been handed out ahead of time. They would take, I estimate, about five minutes to read out. Mr Rudd manages to refer to Opposition Leader Tony Abbott as negative six times.

This is emerging as a bit of a theme, isn't it? In Mr Rudd's first question time as prime minister he went hard on the theme of wanting to be positive and that the Coalition's method of opposing things was old politics.

Here's a flavour of what we can expect in about 45 minutes' time: "Mr Abbott is a formidable politician - formidable in the art of negative politics. But a 100 per cent diet of negative politics is a lazy substitute for the hard work that is needed to develop, argue and implement policies that will change Australia for the better."

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd during a press conference in Canberra on Monday 8 July.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd during a press conference in Canberra on Monday 8 July. Photo: Andrew Meares

Ms Clutterham currently works as a diplomat in Papua New Guinea. In this morning's interview she was very open about not having lived in Melbourne (although she has visited it) and that she only recently joined the Labor Party. She certainly couldn't be accused of being a career politician, sound bite ready and sounding the same as everyone else in politics.

Isn't this what we are supposed to want? People who aren't well versed in spin, who are honest about their situation and want to give politics a go?

The story about Ms Clutterham - whose bid is being supported by backers of Prime Minister Kevin Rudd - can be found here.

People who are interested in the internecine world of Labor Party preselections should take a look at this edited highlights package of MP wannabe Lisa Clutterham

Ms Clutterham would very much like to replace former prime minister Julia Gillard in the plum Melbourne seat of Lalor. (Take a number Lisa - so would several other people.)

Whether or not this interview with the ABC's Jon Faine helps her case for preselection is another matter. I thought Ms Clutterham was "refreshingly honest" and "candid" but I was the only person in the office who thought so.

Watch the video and see what you think.

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'I don't have a connection to Melbourne'

Potential Labor preselection candidate Lisa Clutterham tells ABC's Jon Faine that she has no connection to Melbourne or Julia Gillard's seat of Lalor, other than her partner visiting Werribee as a child.

Mr Rudd has been Prime Minister for a fortnight now.

One of the first things Mr Rudd did was challenge Opposition Leader Tony Abbott to a debate at the National Press Club in Canberra.

No one thought this was actually going to happen - why would Mr Abbott front up to an event dreamt up entirely by his competitor? The chances of that happening were as likely as Mr Rudd agreeing that Mr Abbott had a point about the need for the date of the election to be revealed. Still, it gives people something to talk about.

The speech will begin at 12.30pm. Don't forget to watch out for the many hands of Kevin.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd during a press conference  on Monday 8 July.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd during a press conference on Monday 8 July. Photo: Andrew Meares

Before we get going a quick "Happy Birthday" to the chap who served as Australia's 21st prime minister - Gough Whitlam.

Mr Whitlam turns 97 today. I hope there's cake involved.

I think we all knew today's event at the National Press Club was not going to be a debate between Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott. But an address by Mr Rudd is still something to keep an eye on - think of it as a warm up for the election campaign.

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  • Nice to see you making a contribution, Malik the magic sheep. You never fail to hit a mark.

    What you obviously couldn't know is that I'm not a Labour supporter, far from it, actually, very far from it.

    I would in principal support real politics for grown-ups and reasonable people. Politics that encourage and enable real debate, politics that work towards advancing the country to make it an even better place. But we don't get this from anyone in Canberra. Instead, what Feds of any colour and conviction have dished up in the past few years is a farcical spectacle.

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    slow_food
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    July 11, 2013, 2:20PM
    • May not be an ALP supporter but like most from the ALP you take an hour to say no I dont know what our policies are or what we stand for anymore.

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      Steve
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      July 11, 2013, 2:27PM
    • May not be an ALP supporter but like most from the ALP you take an hour to say no I dont know what our policies are or what we stand for anymore.

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      Steve
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      July 11, 2013, 2:27PM
  • Nice to see you making a contribution, Malik the magic sheep. You never fail to hit a mark.

    What you obviously couldn't know is that I'm not a Labour supporter, far from it, actually, very far from it.

    I would in principal support real politics for grown-ups and reasonable people. Politics that encourage and enable real debate, politics that work towards advancing the country to make it an even better place. But we don't get this from anyone in Canberra. Instead, what Feds of any colour and conviction have dished up in the past few years is a farcical spectacle.

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    slow_food
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    Perth
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    July 11, 2013, 2:20PM
  • Not sure what size my ticker is - probably not that large but we cats rule the world! Relevant to this blog? Of course we are - a good deal more relevant than any politician. I was merely contemplating the possibility and wondering what the consequences would be.
    It really would be interesting to see the leaders up against some articulate members of the general voting public.

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    Cat
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    July 11, 2013, 1:58PM
  • Abbott has the debating skills of a mime! If he could he would. But he can't so he won't. If he had any reasonable ammunition he would use it. He can not read a company statement or an electricity bill let alone think on his feet.

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    Rhetorical
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    July 11, 2013, 1:44PM
  • Will Joe Hockey debate Chris Bowen ,, will Andrew Robb debate Penny Wong, will Julie Bishop debate Bob Carr, will Crystopher Pyne debate Bill Shorten cause not theyv've been gagged by Abbott, he's doing all the talking. Keep talking Tony no one was listening to Julia, as they are with you now

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    Johno
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    July 11, 2013, 1:42PM
  • What is all this nonsense about Abbott "running scared"? Scared of what? A man he thrashed 3 years ago?

    This doesn't sound like 'scared' to me...

    ‘‘If Mr Rudd is governing he can call back the Parliament and we will have debates every day.’’
    ‘‘If Mr Rudd is campaigning, name the election date and we will have election debates.’’

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    homeless penguin
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    July 11, 2013, 1:26PM
  • As we get to the pointy end of an election Abbott is being exposed for the intellectual light weight, policy vacuum specialist, slogan slugging, ultra conservative he is. Surrounded by other non policy goons what hope have this LNP rabble got as a serious contender to lead our nation.I mean really can anyone see TA at a G20 summit? during which time Julie Bishop could well be the caretaker PM...or Hockey delivering a budget? OMG the mere thought of such incompetence is horrifying. TA will seed his own defeat with a negativity that knows no bounds. Bring it on Kevin!

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    john
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    July 11, 2013, 1:19PM
    • Where have you been for the last 6 years, school halls, asylum seekers, rising unemployment, house prices, failed fuel watch, food watch, petrol watch and Kevin ego watch.
      I would go on but I dont want to sound like him , but I cant because I go straight to the point and that is this rabble and their fake re-birth as a caring loving group.

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      Steve
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      July 11, 2013, 1:25PM
    • John' you are a looser just like all labor votes no where to go and compete with the world. Soon Australia will be a thirdworld country under Rudd

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      sweety
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      July 11, 2013, 1:51PM
  • Tony Abbott is a real life Strawman.

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    Big Doug
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    July 11, 2013, 1:14PM
    • Straw is substance that can be seen unlike hot air from inflatable man.

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      Steve
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      July 11, 2013, 1:21PM
  • The electorate was tiring of Rudd with his faux ockersisms and fakeness in his first term as PM. Looks like not much has changed? The honeymoon definitely won't last.

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    Tim Smith
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    July 11, 2013, 1:14PM
  • Good to see Kevin Rudd isn't scared to face the media and answer any question they like to put to him, unlike Tony Abbott who has to be stage managed. Kevin Rudd is very popular and I must say Tony Abbott looks like he has aged 10 years in the past few weeks. Kevin Rudd is in this for all the right reasons unlike Abbott who will tell people anything according to his audience and what they want to hear. Tony Abbotts treatment of Julia Gillard was a disgrace and to have him represent our country internationally would be a major embarrassment.

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    twoJ's
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    July 11, 2013, 1:08PM
    • Answer any question? Please read the transcript. Talk yes, answer-no.

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      thereisnoyouinLabor
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      July 11, 2013, 1:12PM
    • Abbott is always willing to take questions from the media. He did it today in Melbourne. Even on the ALP spill night, he spoke for 2-3 mins and then took questions, unlike Rudd and Gillard who had to 'zip' after their speech.

      If you watched Tony Abbott in the 2010 election people's forums, you would see him not just give answers people want

      Gillard's treatment of the Australian people was a disgrace and she got what she deserved.

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      homeless penguin
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      July 11, 2013, 1:17PM
    • Yes but when I ask a question I expect an answer to that question not a self indulgent spiel .

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      Steve
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      July 11, 2013, 1:19PM
  • Is this not the same Kevie who even his own mob could not stand a bar of and dumped him because he was a disaster???
    Yep and now they think and are saying we should vote for him.
    They now believe we should vote for Captain Ego after all his policy failures and disgusting waste of taxpayers money.
    Thanks Labor I am sure we will remember you very soon. (if he ever names the election date) sooner the better for the country, not you Captain Ego.

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    Alan
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    July 11, 2013, 1:08PM
  • We are now at the end of the ALP as we know it. The death of a once great political movement has come.

    The ALP no longer exists. It is the Kevin Rudd Party now.

    All the hacks and idiots the ALP has pre-selected over the years have created fertile ground for the megalomaniac to take over.

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    Gramus
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    July 11, 2013, 1:06PM
  • Monty Rudds "Flyin ALP Circus".

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    Steve
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    July 11, 2013, 1:02PM
  • Krudd, nobody wants you, go away and talk to yourself or debate yourself or something
    You are not even man enough to admit that Howard was right on the Boat People issue and that you were wrong and that yu should simply adopt his policies that all but stopped the boats! What about the poor guys that suffered in the tragedy of the insanely botched Pink Batt Program!

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    gday
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    July 11, 2013, 12:58PM
  • I think psychopathic Kevin just lost a debate against himself.
    In the words of your predecessor "Bring it on".
    Lets get to the election Kevin all things aside Australians of all persuasions are sick to death of the uncertainty.
    For the sake of the economy you say is so important.For the sake of the asylum seekers you 'care so much about.'for the sake of education, health, indigenous rights and the multitude of other things facing this great country end the uncertainty and bring it on.

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    Steve
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    July 11, 2013, 12:56PM
  • The PM Said : numbers of people coming to Australia by boat is a "real problem" and a "growing problem" and "we are required to change our policy" when new facts appear. When new facts appear - hello we have had 40,000+ people arriving - and that is a fact - our border protection is a national disaster. This will be the No 1 issue at the election.

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    Baltic13
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    July 11, 2013, 12:56PM
    • Actually the Trans Tasman migration arrangements with NZ are more of a problem and should be annulled by Australia immediately

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      Shane From Melbourne
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      July 11, 2013, 1:09PM
    • @Shane

      Amen. It really is a backdoor to citizenship. Get through the easy one (NZ) instant access to the big kahuna (Oz). It's just that the boat people issue is so obviously a no-brainer, it draws the most attention - and rightly so.

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      Malik the magic sheep
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      July 11, 2013, 1:14PM
    • @Malik- actually there are two types of kiwis. Those who entered before 2001 and those who entered after 2001 and have less rights. Naturally those who have less rights are agitating for the usual Australian largesse. Everyone who comes here wants to bludge off the Australian state..

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      Shane From Melbourne
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      July 11, 2013, 1:37PM
  • Liberator. Queenslands big hope in Can Bull Newman just hit 6.4% unemployment. Cuts to the public service jobs health, education, and other services were supposed to put Queensland in surplus, unemployment under 5% and improve living standards.
    The great Liberator of Queensland is becoming the Great Teminator of Queenlsnd, as will Abbott will do to Australia.

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    Johno
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    July 11, 2013, 12:55PM
  • So, Mr No aka Speedo Tony complains about the PM mentioning his chronic negativity. I cannot remember when this chap [yup, that's you, Tony] has made a real contribution by talking in positive terms and adding something useful to the conversation.

    Anyone who has witnessed Chris Uhlmann interviewing Tony Abbot on the 7.30 Report earlier this week has again witnessed how narrow-minded and simpering the Wannabe PM is. It was an embarrassing interview, but this was for domestic consumption. Imagine some of these drivels at an APEC conference or a G20 meeting..... it’s an unpalatable thought.

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    slow_food
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    July 11, 2013, 12:54PM
    • Funny how a critic of "negative politics" uses words like "Mr No", "Speedo Tony", "simpering" and "wannabe PM" when referring to the leader of the opposition.

      Do you know what hypocrisy is? You should, the Labor Party are experts in it. That's how they can explain away the boat people issue as "complex" when they have the responsibility of making it an issue:
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      Malik the magic sheep
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      July 11, 2013, 1:04PM
  • I love it how everyone wants to talk about "Policy" saying there isn't enough about it in politics! Well guess what - most Australians don't really care about policy! They care about who is the PM - Period! Just look at the Jump in polls for KR! Same Policies, Different Leader! What does that tell you?

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    GetOverIt
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    July 11, 2013, 12:43PM
  • 5,000 words in search of an Editor.

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    Louis Cypher
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    July 11, 2013, 12:39PM
  • Was there actually a purpose for that speech, or was it more so Rudd could hear himself speak ?

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    Hacka
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    July 11, 2013, 12:38PM
    • Not to mention, what would he have said if Abbott had called his bluff and shown up?

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      AdamC
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      July 11, 2013, 12:45PM
    • Was there actually a purpose for that comment, or was it more so you could see yourself published ?

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      tasch2
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      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:47PM
    • It wasn't a speech, it was a magic show: "The One Hour Speech that Says Nothing". His best trick ever. At least it was shorter than his "Incredible Disappearing Female Prime Minister" trick. That one took almost three years to set up.

      Not since Houdini's "Water Torture Cell" has an audience been so captivated. Rumor is he's headlining in Vegas after the next election with Penn and Teller

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:53PM
    • What's the purpose of 1000 photo ops in fluro vests? What's the purpose of calling press conferences and then walking away from them when you cop a question you don't want to or can't answer? Most importantly what's the purpose of calling a budget "emergency" and then refusing to debate the economy? And what's the purpose of spending day after day defending it????

      Commenter
      Rhetorical
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:57PM
    • AdamC - what's interesting is everyone assumes that Rudd will defeat Abbott in the upcoming election debates.

      As has been the case for four years now, Labor might once again completely misjudge Abbott's debating skills.

      He is after all on his hat-trick for defeating Prime Ministers, and good things come in threes.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 1:13PM
    • It was just more of the usual Kevin Rudd. Look at me, look at me, look at me folks! bring your camera's, everyone loves me hehehehe.

      Commenter
      Thomas
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 1:43PM
  • abbott versus rudd ,no contest. rudd would wipe the floor with him.did you see abbott doing his own media stunt on apec. all just bagging rudd, then he had the hide to say tha was all that rudd did. abbott is looking very fragile at the moment, no confidence at all..time to bring back turnbull

    Commenter
    judy
    Location
    central coast
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 12:38PM
    • I'm very happy with Abbott, thanks. Turnbull is just as egocentric as Kevin Rudd. The world needs less of these people as leaders ...not more.

      Commenter
      thereisnoyouinLabor
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 1:01PM
    • Abbott will beat Rudd again. Rudd will be Mr popular for a few weeks and then it will be all down hill for him as usual.
      People can only take so much of this self interested, annoying little show pony. It happened before and it will happen again.

      Commenter
      Mike
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 1:56PM
  • Its good emotional rhetoric--very good--Kev is a good speaker.But Ihave one fundamental concer with it all--humanism verses economics.People should never be subjected to terms of economic slavery such as reducing them to human resources or capital.The humaity of each sovereign constitued individual must taske precedence over the profits of a handful of wealthy and powerful players,even if they have a big bag of lollies to hand out to their subjective slaves,owned by the State (which is separte from the state,and has entirely different legal ramifications regarding slavery and human bondage )Obviously no Party has the power to over ride the Crown (of London city State) but the elceted representatives of the people must represent them as the Sovereigns that they legally are, not as modern day legallyowned slaves they have become.,without even a suspivcion of the facrt.Secrecy in Government must be outlawed,and the people must reclaim their soveregnity to be the greatest power in the Nation.

    Commenter
    Kane
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 12:34PM
  • I turned it off. There is only so much of this transparent fake that I can tolerate

    Commenter
    nemises
    Location
    corio
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 12:31PM
  • So you want us to vote for a fictitious party who has got only slogan,and negativity to their neck,In 10 years they did absolutely nothing but throw our money around to get voted,Baby bonus,1st home buyer,gran' ma who baby sit,list goes on,But I could not remember anything of substance that leave a lasting legacy,not talking about wasting the mining boom,and giving us a better education system or fixing our health system,once again the list goes on, You have to remember that we all should vote a government on their policy,and evaluate them on their legacy,what have they done for us,?and I believed abbott was there for 10 years,next time you see him ask him and please do not talk about that rubbish of surplus it is just paper money,and if they had it they should have fix Health,education ,infrastructure to name a few,do you really want to go back to that?I am very surprise that a lot of you got no gratitude or do not understand what the stimulus did for our country,instead you whinge about all the little things??wake up and look at the achievers.

    Commenter
    TR
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 12:29PM
    • 100% correct

      Commenter
      Franky
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:37PM
    • There are only a few things ficticious floating around at the moment, all courtesy of the ALP:

      1. Budget surpluses.
      2. Actual money, right now, for Gonski.
      3. Actual solutions to the asylum seeker issue.
      4. Costs of living under control and/or manageable.
      5. The belief that Kevvy has somehow miraculuously changed...

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:41PM
    • That's right. At least the Labor government has used that surplus and has now given us 6 straight deficits (with 2 more to come (if you can believe the numbers) and we have some fantastic infrastucture and national projects to show for it like...........hmmmm.

      So hang on. The Howard government actually saved some money, the Lboor government spent it, had no more so borrowed some and to show for it we have what? Six years worth of spend and their lasting legacy is what?

      They have achieved nothing. They have been totally self obsessed with themselves and with power to the detriment of this great country. Even today's speech was all about one person - Kevin Rudd. El Presidente!!

      Commenter
      Smokin Mo
      Location
      Ryde
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:52PM
  • It is indeed about the economy, as today's unemployment figures demonstrate. 5.7% and rising. In the last 12 months, the labour force has grown by 218K - 57K fulltime (26%), 91K part-time (42%), and 70K unemployed (32%). 75% of the labour force activity of the last 12 months has been in PT/U, with only 1/4 in FT.

    Splitting between Jul /Dec and Jan /Jun, the figures show (Jun /Dec) FT up 48K vs 9K (Jan /Jun). PT in H1 was up 37K, vs 73K in H2. Unemployment increased 30K in H1 vs 40K in H2.

    As former Treasurer Wayne Swan kept on saying - the Labor Government created many jobs during the last near 6 years. But that's not really explaining it.

    Employment growth has now slid away from FT towards PT (and under-employed) employment).

    The trend towards job shedding, and /or job lightening is now gathering pace.

    With labour force statistics a lagging rather than forward indicator, it is arguable that today here the economy actually was in late April.

    With further softening since then, PM Rudd's cute little ploy towards demanding that the Opposition Leader debate him before the National Press Club is a little too cute by half.

    The election will likely be pushed out to the 1st weekend in November (virtually, the latest possible moment).

    Yet, between now and then, more people will lose their jobs, and more boat rescues will have to be carried out by the Australian Navy because the Indonesians will not even go to the aid of stricken craft in their own territorial or maritime waters. But, according to the PM's office, this is OK by him.

    Cinly, there needs to be robust debate between the Leaders, but there also needs to be an election its almost 3 years to 21/8/2010.

    Commenter
    Grant
    Location
    Mitcham
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 12:23PM
    • Another right wing diatribe that tales off into the inevitable "STOP THE BOATS"!
      If it wasn't so predictable from you lot it would be tragic instead of just being the laughable nonsense it is!

      Commenter
      markd195
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:44PM
    • yep, more right-wing BS with the typical "Stop" the Boats crap. sicking.

      Commenter
      zod56
      Location
      penrith
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 1:17PM
    • So, Zod and Markd appear perfectly happy with an economy producing only 57,000 fulltime jobs in 12 months. Let's forget about the other 161,000 workforce entrants who were either employed part-time, or are unemployed. That's perfectly OK in an economy where the BER is still being rolled out from 2008? That's perfectly acceptable in an economy where the combination of unemployment, under employment and youth unemployment are accelerating rapidly? That's OK in circumstances where Tasmania's unemployment rate has hit 8.9% in June, Queensland's, 6.4% and South Australia's, 6%, and where Victoria's jumped by 0.4% to 5.8% in the one month? Of course its OK. As I said before, employment /unemployment figures are lagging indicators. So, what we've seen today is arguably where the economy was in late April, and since then its become that much softer, again.

      Commenter
      Grant
      Location
      Mitcham
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 1:36PM
  • Ah, I would love an opportunity to speak at the NPC. Anyone willing to give me the opportunity?
    I would be willing to take on both Mr Rudd and Mr Abbott at the same time. I suspect that, were it the appropriate time (i.e. an election had been called) then Mr Abbott would be willing but Mr Rudd would avoid me like the plague.
    Mr Rudd knew Mr Abbott was unlikely to attend. I just hope the media really does report this for what it is - not for what Mr Rudd wants people to believe it is.

    Commenter
    Cat
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 12:15PM
    • It's nice to know that you have a bigger ticker then the Tonster mate, but I can't see how the size of your heart is relevant to this blog?

      Commenter
      markd195
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:49PM
  • Love the presumptuousness of the tory trolls who want to insult the public and call them stupid for not agreeing with them and voting LNP. Keep it up; it is your arrogance and empty rhetoric which is what offends people and has turned the polls on their heads - the same arrogance of the faceless men who removed Rudd and then had to drink a bucketload of mea culpa and return him.
    Of course, it's hard to argue for Mr Rabbit when he avoids anything resembling a policy announcement or debate lest he shows up any weaknesses, such as having nothing more than a booklet full of slogans which even Malcolm could only say with an embarrassed look.
    Respect the people or they will show you the cost... and you and your magic sheep will be left bleating, wondering what happened...

    Commenter
    Natz
    Location
    Inner city cafe
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 12:15PM
    • So Natz - what will be your excuse when (i) Rudd loses his seat of Griffith and (ii) the ALP loses the election?

      Commenter
      Eric
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:40PM
    • dont have tories here, stop being a hater.

      Commenter
      Kev is not our friend
      Location
      here
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 1:10PM
  • Telling indeed that when asked the double barrelled question about Australia's increasing unemployment rate and why is he going up PNG this week, all he talked about was PNG and their problems he will be addressing while up there - completely forgot the Australian unemployment question.
    This is the KRudd we all know.

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 12:13PM
    • Unemployment Problem!
      Do you lot get a list of slogans to use at the beginning of each week or is it just a massive coincidence that you all sing from the same song sheet each morning!

      Commenter
      markd195
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:47PM
  • It was odd to hear Joe Hockey, claim this morning, that the government could take no credit from the good economic fundamentals of the economy. He would say the same if the fundamentals were poor, wouldn't he?
    The opposition do not want to bring up the economy, despite the GFC, we have not gone into recession, and economic growth remains near trend.
    When Tony Abbott tried to compare European economies with Australia, also this morning, the ABC commentator said that was an absurd comparison. Tony Abbott went back to the line we have to stay within our means. Being called out on their attacks, is what should have been happening long ago.
    Kevin Rudd will probably lose the election. We need to look at the coalition's NBN lite, Direct Action, removal of low income superannuation contribution, turn back the boats, very generous, non means tested paid parental leave scheme. Opposing Gonski, while the Independent Schools want to accept it. Lets focus on the coalition and their policies. Later this year they will be running the show, despite their limited range of policies. Voters should be aware of what will await, them with fewer public servants and a smaller government to service our growing community and individual needs.

    Commenter
    Barry of Nambucca
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 12:13PM
  • Ok.

    So from what I heard and was able to see he identified that:

    1. Electricity prices were too high. Solution? Don't have one but don't blame the carbon tax.

    2. Asylum seekers - a growing problem. Solution? Don't have one but 3 word slogans won't work.

    3. He is a human being and bleeds and thought we should all know it. God I hope he does not try and prove this by tweeting his next bowel movement!!

    KRudd makes a great opposition leader but a lousy PM. All talk-no sunstance. Spin and rhetoric over policy and detail.

    All Labor supporters crying out for Tony Abbott to release his policies - when will Dear Leader release his?

    Commenter
    Smokin Mo
    Location
    Ryde
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 12:11PM
    • I'm also waiting for Dear Leader Abbott to release his policies.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:24PM
    • Then tell Dear Leader to call the election. Or hasn't he got the ticker Tone? Don't fool yourself. This about one man and one man only. Kevin Rudd. He is not going to miss the opportunity to go to the G20 meeting and galavant with other world leaders reminding them all of who he is and using his tried and tested formula of "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance them baffle them with bullsh!t!!

      Commenter
      Smokin Mo
      Location
      Ryde
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:39PM
    • Smokin something,
      You'll see in today's Australian that electricity wholesale prices are coming down because of competition from wind farms and hydro. This has been happening since the industry realised in 2007 that their world was changing.
      The Carbon Tax is having a significant effect in changing people's habits and the way the generators and large consumers use power.
      To change the current ETS is just plain dumb, especially to Direct Action

      Commenter
      Econorat
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:55PM
    • Tone- What about 'Fraudband' this is a policy that has been released. It has been given a name by Kevin Rudd and Labor supporters. You can't have it both ways. Can't declare there are no policies then give the policy a cute little name.. Boarder protection policy - "Fraud boats" Parental Leave - "Fraud gender equity" You have herd intricate detail of all of these policies... so much so that they will mostly be adopted by the opposition.

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 1:08PM
    • Econorooted,

      Yes the fabulous wind farms like the one referred to in The Australian (same paper) on 8 July 2013. Backed by rich foreigners receiving millions of dollars from us the taxpayer in order for us to enjoy the privelage of them charging us higher prices for electricity.

      As Kev would say, fair shake of the sauce bottle. We have the cheapest source of power in our backyard yet seem totally consumed by some good feel factor by taxing it instead. In the meantime we have people going without electricity because they can't afford it.

      Doesn't stack up with me.

      Anyhoo - gotta zip!!

      Commenter
      Smokin Mo
      Location
      Ryde
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 1:41PM
    • Econorat, if you had read an earlier report in this paper, you would have seen the a substantial portion of the reduction is due to the over abundance of water (which we were told we were going to run out of), significant reduction of manufacturing and a slow down of the rest of manufacturing. if there is a reduction of 40% then tells why we are not seeing cheaper electricity.

      Commenter
      Mal
      Location
      Cranbourne
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 2:00PM
  • What is Abbott doing in lab ,he doesn't believe in science. Pretending now he is all for it. Crikey

    Commenter
    Grumpy man
    Location
    Penrith
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 12:10PM
    • I know what you mean. A bit like Kevin trying to convince us he is an economic conservative!!

      Commenter
      Smokin Mo
      Location
      Ryde
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:53PM
  • New circulation figures for Fairfax Media show that Rudd's ascension only gave Fairfax Media a dead cat bounce.

    Still hemorrhaging money.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 12:06PM
    • Just like the recent bounce in ALP poll results! Ouch...

      Commenter
      Liberator
      Location
      SEQLD
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:18PM
  • 1:39 p.m. post - surprise, surprise! Kevvy's going overseas again! Any particular and/or pressing reason? Does Australia actually have a Minister for Foreign Affairs, or is that job now part of the Kevvy Show?

    Commenter
    Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 12:05PM
  • The ABC now has more friends than Fairfax Media.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 12:04PM
  • I now remember why I disliked this man so much and thought the 'real Julia' was a good option....can we PLEASE have an election?????

    Commenter
    Noddy
    Location
    Maroubra
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 12:01PM
    • Yes, I agree, lets have an election as soon as possible, so that it's the last we ever hear of the Tony Abbott and his relentlessly negative politics.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:14PM
    • Noooo. You made your bed now lie in it. I'm off to knit a jumper for a chicken.

      Commenter
      JG
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:14PM
    • I was more than impressed by Rudd's performance and vision. Can anyone imagine Abbott delivering a similar talk leave alone having a vision for the country? The only person who can match Rudd in LNP is obviously Turnbull. Any wonder why Abbott is absolutely scared of debates?

      Commenter
      sensible
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:16PM
    • Going by the recent opinion polls, plenty of people dislike running scared Abbott a lot, lot more. !

      Commenter
      piesnchess
      Location
      Mt Evelyn
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:20PM
  • Looks like the ALP just went past a 13 seat majority.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:59AM
    • Yes , Sir Somebody and his merry band of nobodies charging right past it and out into the dark night.

      Commenter
      thereisnoyouinLabor
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:05PM
    • 13 seats in total you mean ?

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:19PM
    • You have been quite J Fraser - but your back - still wishing and hoping >>>>>

      Commenter
      Baltic13
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:39PM
  • So Folks I have got to Zip - I pray to god he would Zip Off.

    Commenter
    Keating
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:58AM
  • I'm amazed at how quickly the Liberal staffers react - Rudd has no policies?
    That's ALL he has spoken about. Abbott has nothing- and he will stay away from a debate as long as he possibly can. Stop the boats - is laughable - will Tony take responsibility if lives are lost..what does that mean - that he'd go to jail for murder if he commands the Navy to ignore Safety of Life at Sea laws - which they can't do anyway - what a constant joke this is.

    Commenter
    ThingsToCome
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:57AM
    • Yes, it is a joke - a joke reading all the rubbish you ALP supporters claim that Abbott has said or will do, when no such thing has actually happened. Abbott has continually said that the turn back option is subject to safety ad operational considerations, and will be the subject of understandings and agreements with Indonesia.

      A bit different to the so-called agreement that Gillard had with east Timor, which the East Tomorese didn't even know about. Vastly different to Kevvy just ripping up the previous proven refugee policies without any thought to what would happen...

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:33PM
  • Kevin Rudd spent much of his opening denouncing "negative politics" and followed this with around 50% of his time spent denouncing Tony Abbott in a most negative way.
    His talk was mostly rubbish as it lacked substance, just a series of motherhood statements.
    A detective relies not on what is said, what the person seems to be but simply on the evidence.
    All the evidence tells us that Kevin is Captain Chaos - nothing is changed.
    The Dorothy Dix questions were an indictment on the standard of journalism in Australia.
    Where were the questions on what are the Labor policies on refugees, other than claiming Tony's won't work?
    Projections for a Surplus, carbon tax, changes in the recent budget, - who cares about the inner problems of the Labor Party or how Kevin can stop being thrown out again?

    Commenter
    Benny
    Location
    Castle Hill
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:56AM
    • who cares about refugees Benny - its the economy that counts - and if Abbott follows his conservative cronies in the UK we will be in a deep recession within months of him taking over

      Commenter
      PW
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:04PM
    • @PW

      "who cares about refugees Benny"

      You mean 2.8 billion dollars spent on detention is a non issue? Do you know what the word "economics" means?

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:36PM
  • I'm human and cut myself shaving this morning but I don't see the need to share that or anything else I do in the bathroom with the world.

    Commenter
    Pete1
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:55AM
  • So Snowball nicked himself shaving. Heaven help us when he next breaks wind.

    Commenter
    Narnie
    Location
    Elsternwick
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:54AM
  • The Peoples Labor Party of Australia - see where this is going...

    Commenter
    Liberator
    Location
    SEQLD
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:52AM
  • God Kevin's 7 point plan is a bit light on detail, isn't it? Its like a wish list penned by my kids for Christmas without a plan on how Santa will pay for it. He is off to PNG, is he? At least he is going there as a "somebody" because apparently only a PM can be a somebody the rest of us are nobodies..and that is according to Kev himself.

    Commenter
    thereisnoyouinLabor
    Location
    brisbane
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:48AM
  • It astonishes me that there are people out there only too prepared to give this selfish pompous liar a second chance at stuffing things up. It is fair enough that Mr Rudd has had a chance to bone ms Gillard back for her treacherous, union sponsored, corporate takeover of Labor only two years into Labor's first term but what we now have to realise is what we are left with. we are left with the bloke who said numerous times that there were no circumstances under which he would again lead Labor and this is the same block that opened the floodgates to illegal arrivals, permitted dodgey batt installers to allow untrained people to be electrocuted, knock down large school halls and replace them with smaller ones that did not meet fire safety regulations without modifications, hand out laptops to school children before there were networks to connect them to and launch the patently useless fuelwatch, grocerywatch and hospitalwatch websites whilst doing nothing about the Coles/Woolworths duopoly or hospital funding crisis. Mr Rudd's apology to the families of electrocuted batt installers was also the most pathetically non-genuine response to a tragedy that I've ever witnessed and was at least three years late.

    Lastly, the idiots that vote for Labor's celebrities need to realise that Australia's system of government does not cater for presidential-style electioneering. When we vote, we vote for a government, not its leader. People need to get over the "I don't like Tony" routine and just realise that he will simply be a better Prime Minister all round. Let's vote for the parties that will do a better job - the Liberal and National Parties.

    Commenter
    Watchdog
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:46AM
    • It would be handy if we knew what Abbott really stood for. Most of his beliefs seem pretty extreme - he has promised the IPA that he will implement many of their 75 extreme issues.

      And also, he needs to be around. He seems to scared to debate anyone. What good is he? Give us a Liberal leader that can have a conversation and you'll have a winner.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:53AM
    • @Watchdog, unfortunately roughly 20% of the electorate consists of idiots. How else do you explain the swing away from Labor under JG that has now returned to Rudd, when their policies and questionable competence are more or less identical.

      JG was right about misogyny - she just didn't realise that it had a healthy existence in about 20% of the voting population. I wonder how much of that was influenced by "cultural values" in certain parts of the community who still hold archaic views of a woman's place in society.

      You reap what you sow Labor.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:55AM
    • If Mr Rudd would just call an election then I am fairly sure Mr Abbott would only be too pleased to debate him. Is Mr Rudd too gutless to call an election or is it just a matter of him trying to score as much of that half-million dollar salary as possible before the GG is constitutionally required to issue the writs?

      Commenter
      Watchdog
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:03PM
    • @Malik the magic sheep, have you considered that those 20% had no issues with Labor policies or competence, they just didn't like the leader? Are you suggesting that having Tony Abbott as Coalition leader has no effect on voting intentions?

      Commenter
      Dags
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:05PM
    • @Dags

      "didn't like the leader?"

      Tell me dags, why would you not like one leader and love another when they represent the same thing. I'll give you a year to work that one out. Hint : their private parts are different.

      It may surprise you to learn that people didn't like Beazley either, but then supported Rudd because he represented and promised policy changes, while also keeping others in place (little ones like the Pacific Solution).

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:28PM
  • So Dudds travelling to PNG next week. Is there anywhere Dudd747 hasn't been? On us taxpayers of course.

    Commenter
    Mack
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:45AM
    • yeah, why worry about key issues that affect Australia's interests like regional security and ongoing dialogue?

      Kevin 24/7 indeed.

      Commenter
      Dr Scott
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:55AM
    • Seems he's off the PNG to solve all their problems then he'll be back to solve Australia's problems later in the week - is there nothing this superhero is not capable of?

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:58AM
    • @ My namesake in Altona - sorry my friend, there is something Kevvy isn't capable of: Actually doing something as opposed to talking about it...

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:27PM
  • ok. So after stating the obvious that every Australian has knows for the past three years what are the policies to address the issues?

    Please tell me we are not paying him $450k just to tell us what we already know.

    Commenter
    steve
    Location
    sydney
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:44AM
    • Actually I want to know why Abbott is paid so much ($300k+), especially given that people from his party admit that he doesn't do anything.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:50AM
  • Love Hockey's tweet. The best the Noalition under Howard could manage was (a) slash the education budget in order to (b) hand out free flagpoles provided (c) the school implemented religious instruction! What a farce. Perhaps Macca, sorry Hacka, as chief galah in Abbott's pet shop could squawk the praises of that fantastic effort. Plenty of money - billions - to blow on non existent wmds though.

    Commenter
    Tony
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:44AM
    • Tony, let's not forget that the IMF has been very critical of how the Howard government, quote, "Squandered the Australian Resources boom". No government was better placed to undertake reform to education, disability care, and health care, but any improvement during those 12 years was tokenistic and resulted in Australia falling further behind in those areas.

      Commenter
      Chris
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:52PM
  • This is the worst Government bunch ever in the history of Australia. Winning debates does not guarantee a better Government or better leader, it just confirms your craftiness at fooling the public. Bugger off we already know who will win this election.

    Commenter
    Decided
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:44AM
    • I reckon Abbott is the worst opposition leader in history. It's funny how each side of politics sees it differently.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:47AM
    • From recent polls, Rudd is the more favoured PM...

      Commenter
      Kevin
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:48AM
    • Tone - you just get the boot mate?

      Commenter
      Liberator
      Location
      SEQLD
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:11PM
    • Nah, unlike my namesake, I actually have a real job.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:17PM
    • Yup, polls are like statistics- liars use figures, Figures do not lie. If you can remember the Lewinsky affair.
      You can only fool some of the people all the time but nut all the people all the time.

      Commenter
      Decided
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:19PM
  • Once again clear and articulate. No three word slogans for bogans. No ums and errs.No startled look . Except of course for Steve and his cronies.They are very startled. Too fonny..

    Commenter
    Steadieddie
    Location
    Country
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:44AM
  • I think he really believes that he can swing it and slide back in. What he doesn't get is that there are a whole lot of people who would walk the other way if he or God for that matter turned up in a mall surrounded by cameras and excited kids. It's not the electorate. We need answers and we need vision. I need fiscal responsibility. Can't see it anywhere from the ALP. And before I get trolled, we're talking about RUDD here. Don't cloud his performance by distracting shit about Abbott.

    Commenter
    AMF
    Location
    St kilda
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:43AM
    • @AMF, how is Tony Abbott not relevant? He's an "economic illiterate" and Hockey has proved himself an inexperienced, accident-prone buffoon. There is absolutely no evidence that they will deliver the fiscal responsibility you are after and in fact, plenty of evidence of the opposite, ie. Direct Action, Platinum PPL, fraudband which is a complete waste of money, etc.

      Commenter
      Dags
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:09PM
    • Dags! Just set aside what Abbott says or does for a minute. What is required is more specific scrutiny of what our PM says and does. Just because in your opinion Abbott is worse, doesn't determine that Rudd is good. Your approach is only about 'better' - not about competency. This is my point. Forget the competition for a minute and focus on who's in the job and what they are doing, and if it is in keeping with reasonable expectation. (size and forecast for the deficit for example)

      Commenter
      AMF
      Location
      St kilda
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:34PM
  • Looks like Kev wants to give us as much Kev as possible.

    Pencil in Saturday 30 November for the election.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:42AM
  • Kev ducks and dives the important questions more than a Australian opening batsman.

    Commenter
    jojar
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:42AM
    • So true!

      Commenter
      Keating
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:47AM
    • At least Mr Rudd is still at the crease batting and making a big score (check the polls). This after facing a bodyline attack. Mr Abbott hasn't got the courage to go to the crease to face the bowling. Perhaps it's because an incompetent batsman. I notice his batting average (performance) is negative (check polls).

      Commenter
      batsman
      Location
      Noosa
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:22PM
  • Kev, Under your party leader rules; you should hand back to Julia as she was elected by the people for the people in 2010.

    Commenter
    malcolm
    Location
    melbourne
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:41AM
  • Kevs war against Tony is what he said that he did not want personal attacks to keep going? Do I read it wrong? Tony is on of a team? Not with a stack of ex front benchers who wont work with him? Team%%%% in Tonys favour there? ALAN S

    Commenter
    Alan.s
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:41AM
  • Same old Labor. Nothing new announced, a few changed words and thats about it.

    Commenter
    Wazza
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:40AM
  • So, the Slogan Bogan never showed up to debate. I suppose you can only repeat 'Stop the boats' so many times before sounding wholly intellectually bankrupt.

    Commenter
    Jessica
    Location
    Mosman
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:39AM
  • And now after praising myself for an hour "I have to zip".

    Commenter
    Steve
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:37AM
  • M Rudd loves the phrase "The truth is...." When a politician continually reminds the listener what the truth is - be very afraid.

    Commenter
    Big Al
    Location
    Monty
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:36AM
    • The problem is when you're dealing with an opponent who is an unrepentant liar (unless it's written down, and even then maybe not), you have to remind people you're not the same.

      Commenter
      Jimbo from Logan
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:38PM
  • And a problem he created!!!

    Commenter
    Dude
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:36AM
  • WOW that was informative.

    Commenter
    Len
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:35AM
  • What does Rudd want to improve the economy?

    Another 20/ talk fest? Another committee producing a report?

    During his previous leadership Rudd was famous for comissioning so many studies and more studies without doing any action, true to form Rudd has reverted to his old self.

    Commenter
    Regh
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:34AM
  • Cant understand all the people calling TA scared or gutless for not debating. He has stated he will debate Rudd at anytime once the election is called?
    This was all a figment of Rudd and the Canberra press gallery's imagination. Its Kevin 07 all over again.... smoke, mirrors and stunts Be afraid people, very afraid

    Commenter
    bp13
    Location
    coogee
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:34AM
    • Where's this oft-quoted rule that there has to be an election for a debate to take place? Politicians should be willing to put their views and policies out there at the drop of a hat. As long as taxes pay their wages, I don't think that's an unfair expectation.

      Commenter
      MCS
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:48AM
    • "Cant understand all the people calling TA scared or gutless for not debating."

      It's called gutter politics. Throw enough mud and some will stick. Funny how nobody wants to talk about the deaths at sea. Instead, we'll talk about "complex" problems who's solutions live right under Labor's nose.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:49AM
    • Actually I find Tony Abbott hilarous to listen too, he speaks to the voting community as if we are all having problems with our cognative abilities. Slower than a wet week. Tony has as much spark as a dead match.

      Commenter
      Jazzy
      Location
      Qld
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:59AM
    • They can debate in the Parliament which after all what it is designed for, But Kevin is too busy electioneering and zipping here and there and gutless to either call an election or recall Parliament.
      the problem is he is very good at singing his praises but not answering questions.
      Lets not forget that the whole debate challenge came on 7.30 when he was trying to avoid questions from the host.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:09PM
    • 'Can't understand all the people calling TA scared or gutless for not debating ...' I think most of those people are either Labor MPs or Labor-worshipping journos.

      Commenter
      AdamC
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:26PM
  • "The people's government"...
    ...not about to come up with a three word slogan because he thinks "the Australian people are too intelligent to tolerate that kind of thing from us anyone else"...

    Can Kev Count??

    Commenter
    YeahNah
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:32AM
    • Hey let's get it straight. The Liberal Party can accuse Kevin Rudd of a lot of things, but not of constant use of three word slogans. The man uses ten words to say hello.

      Commenter
      mcgeod86
      Location
      Newcastle
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:48AM
    • I'm not "the liberal party" ...
      but you're right:"working families" was 2 words...

      Commenter
      YeahNah
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:06PM
    • "I've got to zip."You are right 4 words. he is that succinct !

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:13PM
    • "just let me say this", "just give me 30 seconds" craps on for another 10 mins. "i'll answer your question this way", "i wont be commenting on those issues here" Talks a lot this red faced south park character but doesnt really say anything at all.

      Commenter
      Hornberger
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 1:54PM
  • Labor people, and their media enablers, miss the point of 'stop the boats'. It is not so much a slogan as an objective. If the Coalition fails to stop the boats in office, then voters can hold them to account for that. It is clear and transparent. But could anyone explain, with its moving feast of initaitives and U-turns in the last few years, what Labor's border (non-)protection policies were ever even trying to achieve?

    Commenter
    AdamC
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:31AM
    • @Adamc

      I can answer that. They were trying to achieve a firm pact of opportunity with the region, whereby humanitarian and local needs are addressed and treated with the importance that such considerations deserve, especially when considered in light of international push factors, that seem to have an effect on local pull factors, while in addition playing a role regarding perception in the region, that has to be considered with regards to political leadership in host nations, who, although not signatories to the UN Refugee convention, still play their part as gracious hosts who have more to contribute to policy on the matter than do those who believe they have all the answers, since by believing you have all the answers, you fall into the trap of unilateral decision making with regards to border protection, when in fact a regional solution is needed in order to properly address what is at its very heart a complex problem that no amount of sauce bottle shaking will yield a result required to combat the people smugglers, and to allay the fears of the local electorate who have ideas that are not founded in fact, as per multiple reports on the matter, and as such have negative views to those which one may consider to be most accurate when considering asylum statistics, especially when UNHCR camps are providing a valuable resource to many displaced persons that have been forced to flee, therefore contributing to the aforementioned push factors, while also considering pull factors, of which we are the opinion there are none, whereupon one then needs to consider the situation in Asia as a whole, because the European experience is not often comparable with these matters, especially when considered in light of the UN report that is yet to be written.

      Commenter
      iRudd2.0
      Location
      China
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:10PM
  • Not one policy setting announced by Rudd. Not one. Substance = zero.

    Commenter
    Tim Smith
    Location
    The Gap
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:30AM
    • Ever read the opposition's policy book. It takes about 10 minutes.

      Commenter
      mcgeod86
      Location
      Newcastle
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:49AM
    • That's still more substance I could find in the "Real Solutions" booklet..

      Commenter
      Kevin K
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:54AM
    • dear Brisbane resident ,
      You might check what labor put in place the last 3 years and have a look what Mr. abbott has on his agenda .... Labor / lots ... abbott / zero .. unless you are able to see Mr Abbott's ideas in a crystal ball .. I cannot see anything .. wish you well from sydney

      Commenter
      Go Kevin
      Location
      point piper
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:00PM
    • Oh, I thought the massively superior NBN was a policy. And the disability support scheme, that's a policy. And the education scheme, that's a policy.

      Now that you're trying (pretty badly) to paint Rudd with the same brush as Abbott, what "real" policies does Abbott have?

      No, I mean the real ones, by the Real Tony Abbott. The guy that we never see cause he's too scared to have a conversation in public. And if most of the people knew what those 75 IPA policies that Abbott said yes to many of, then they wouldn't vote for him.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:21PM
  • Kevin have you always been like this, trying to avoid questions regarding surplus and economy and side tracking to shaving cut? Why don't you give a straight answer when questioned?

    Commenter
    Nutcase
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:29AM
    • A straight answer is not what the Australian people want. The Australian people want a comprehensive solution to complex problems that involve wordy obfuscation and political distraction.

      Oh, and one more thing {insert jingoistic expression}.

      Commenter
      iRudd 2.0
      Location
      China
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:39AM
  • I'm watching this on 24 as it unrolls, and it's quite funny to see Rudd go on about how he is all about employment and how his party has fared better for employment and today, there are articles in this publication as well as others, that state that unemployment is at its highest now, since 2009.
    As for his awareness. This is a Westminister system. We vote for the party, not the 'personality'. This reform of his to ensure his status is wrong. There must always be the means to remove a leader. That is what democracy is all about, otherwise if there is no means to remove a bad leader, then we have a despot.

    Commenter
    Anna
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:29AM
    • Hi Anna, as another NSWer, I become disenfranchised when we blame the Feds for unemployment, yet the State Governments are holding back on approvals of significant primary industry and infrastructure projects. The State Governments are in the position of creating jobs, but don't act, and the Federal Government is left to manage unemployment benefits and then do the only thing they can do and make cuts. I think it is time for Australians to hold our State Leaders responsible for the lack of economic development. I am as equally dismayed with the LNP in NSW as I have been with Labor in the Feds.

      Commenter
      James
      Location
      Lithgow
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:02PM
  • Amazing. The boat people problem is a new one??? Where's Rudd been for the past six years?

    Commenter
    Pete1
    Location
    sydney
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:28AM
    • So true, this government is still saying they need to identify the problem and work closely with the expert panel to come up with a solution. Take your time, maybe send out another tweet pic Kev

      Commenter
      Genghis
      Location
      Lounge
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:35AM
    • He spent 1 dismantling the Pacific solution, 2 ignoring the growing problem and 3 plotting to depose Gillard. And the last week and a bit making up election goodies for a gullible electorate.

      Is that negative politics?

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:36AM
    • He is saying that the issue is evolving. So you have to revise it e.g. there may come times when there are less legitimate refugees, therefore you have to change the policy.

      Commenter
      mcgeod86
      Location
      Newcastle
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:53AM
  • Rudd is full of Ego and is a media whore of the likes australian politics has never seen, The only Vote I was ever really interested in was 2007, that was not neccessarily a vote for Howard but a vote against Rudd and I was right. How much would this country give to travel back in time and have howard and costello calling the shots for the last 6 years, these guys and gillard are lightweight clowns. The state of Australian politics has declined to a point where. I want a charmless doer, that's not out to swindle or buy votes.

    Commenter
    Rudds photographer
    Location
    shop purchasing more film
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:27AM
    • "How much would this country give to travel back in time and have howard and costello calling the shots for the last 6 years"

      Judging by the polls in 2007 and again now not that many people I would imagine

      Commenter
      Dr Scott
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:46AM
    • I tuned out after you said. The only vote you were interested in was in '07. We don't need your opinion if that is true.

      Commenter
      mcgeod86
      Location
      Newcastle
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:55AM
  • Oh Mr Rudd, does this count as negative politics:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BoatArrivals.gif

    Commenter
    Malik the magic sheep
    Location
    Perth
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:25AM
  • So who won the debate Kevin07 or iRudd2.0?

    Commenter
    Voter17654
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:24AM
    • neither as they are both facades.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:31AM
    • I think an interesting question might also be would Mr Abbott win the debate against either vintage of Mr Rudd?

      Commenter
      LEt's discuss the policies
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:32AM
    • Same leopard just a different handle.

      Commenter
      Neutral Voter
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:39AM
    • Rudd will thump Abbott in a debate for sure. The question is who can run the country the best? It's a bit of an unknown as Abbott is in opposition and Rudd is in election / debating mode. Meanwhile, Australia floats along with the political stability of a third world country. (No offence to third world countries intended)

      Commenter
      Craig
      Location
      Collingwood
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:58AM
    • An hour of Krudd yakking and still no election date !

      Commenter
      Ding Dong
      Location
      Rodd Point
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:32PM
    • I think psychopathic Kevin just lost a debate against himself.
      In the words of your predecessor "Bring it on".
      Lets get to the election Kevin all things aside Australians of all persuasions are sick to death of the uncertainty.
      For the sake of the economy you say is so important.For the sake of the asylum seekers you 'care so much about.'for the sake of education, health, indigenous rights and the multitude of other things facing this great country end the uncertainty and bring it on.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 1:05PM
  • Do you lot of conservative ideologues have any plans for the country other than whining about 'socialists' or calling the PM silly little names? A classic example of their thinking is as follows; public education is an evil SOCIALIST policy, private education is better because… well because … we say so!
    I seriously doubt you lot could even give a reasoned explanation on what socialism is or what it has accomplished or not accomplished, let alone just why it is some kind of insult that you lot like to throw at us on the left!

    Commenter
    markd195
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:24AM
    • Waiting for the leader of the Party i once loved to actually say something of substance and now he cuts and runs for another commitment. this was so important that he has restricted scrutiny and questioning . Please.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:31AM
    • Angry today Marky? Socialism - taking something from the hard working contributors and distributing to the underachieving recipients. Sounds like 53% of government expenditure is spent on socialism!!!

      Commenter
      Liberator
      Location
      SEQLD
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:31AM
    • So far, you're the only one who's mentioned socialist.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:34AM
  • Kev - More promises and discussions that will never be delivered. Julia at least implemented and did things rather than just wait for a consensus before reacting.

    Commenter
    Adrian
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:23AM
    • What a load. Both of them are going to drown us out in debt with their impossible-to-fund policies. 105 bills passed with a majority containing the words Care, Assistance or some other variation of the word handout... go figure the nation is in debt and the water is lapping the snorkel!

      Commenter
      Liberator
      Location
      SEQLD
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:35AM
    • @Adrian

      "Julia at least implemented and did things rather than just wait for a consensus before reacting."

      ....and that is good how?

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:43AM
  • Kevin
    Election is not too far away and your tune has changed so much. You are so nice and humble and cool. You can not fool the people too long, your true colors will be out soon.
    Back Stabber

    Commenter
    Baloney
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:21AM
    • When's he going to discuss horrendously high house prices?

      Commenter
      JohnBB
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:34AM
  • Someone also needs to let Kevin know that his next CommCar will be a Toyota (perhaps a Lexus for Kev, tripped up Toyota) if he doesn’t pony up $300 million to GMH.

    Commenter
    Peter G
    Location
    Drummoyne
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:20AM
  • Another question on the surplus because he has not answered, and look out no answer again.
    How can you debate bull shit.

    Commenter
    Steve
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:19AM
    • Oh dear. Did you actually watch the address?

      Commenter
      Dr Scott
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:48AM
    • I did and so many others posting here did as well from both sides. they unlike you referred to actual things said by the Elvis impersonator "The Great Pretender"..

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:36PM
  • No one or almost no one wants Abbott as our prime minister change now to Turnbull and the tide will turn again

    Commenter
    fredor
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:19AM
  • Is that is ? Well that underwhelming speech is notable for what it neglect as much as what it said.

    The financial markets and business for example, have no idea on how Rudd will tackle the debt or return to surplus. From some of the comments the message seemed to be "more borrowing, more spending".

    Stock market to fall on this hollow speech.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:18AM
    • "Stock market to fall on this hollow speech."
      You really are clasping at straws now Hacka. Perhaps you should try a slogan like "stop the markets" or "turn the market around" that might help instil some fear. That's about the only policy the coalition have isn't it ...fear.

      Commenter
      Stop the markets
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:38AM
    • To be fair we also don't know all of mr abbott's economic policies either. Cant whinge about lack of detail from one without asking the same of the other.

      Commenter
      BridgetW
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:39AM
    • It is the highest PERSONAL debt in the world and ridiculously high house prices that are the time bombs. When is anyone going to discuss that?

      Commenter
      JohnBB
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:41AM
    • Yep, 2.21 - stock market down about 12 points.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:22PM
  • Stephanie @ 1.13: I think you meant to say: "In other words, the Prime Minister has hung her out to dry."

    Commenter
    brian
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:18AM
  • Where's Tony Abbott? Too gutless and empty to show up?

    Commenter
    Rick
    Location
    Dubbo
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:14AM
    • How can you debate someone who thinks explaining a shaving cut would take 3 minutes, and then 30 seconds on the answer to when the ALP would produce a surplus, and still not answer.
      Seriously.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:17AM
    • If Rudd wants an election debate, he can call an election. I have no idea why Rudd would imagine that his constant carping about Abbott refusing to debate him, sans election, is anything but an annoying turn-off.

      Commenter
      AdamC
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:24AM
    • As reported in the media, Tony Abbott will show up when an election date is announced.

      Commenter
      Ding Dong
      Location
      Rodd Point
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:37AM
  • Here it comes the promise of an ALP surplus. which he side tracked to his shaving cut. Does anyone listen to this idiot. What about the question of surplus?
    "To be fair to those who preceded me", kidding me.
    Still side stepping 3 minutes in to this answer

    Commenter
    Steve
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:14AM
    • To Quote the Big O, "Penny Arcade"!

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:23AM
  • To quote the great Roy Orbison song, Abbott is truly "Running Scared " from the Ruddster. Looks like 3 and 4 word slogans for bogans wont cut the mustard anymore, for poor Tones. ! LOL

    Commenter
    Piesnchess
    Location
    Mt Evelyn
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:12AM
    • To Quote the Big O, "Penny Arcade"!

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:34AM
    • What are you talking about. Rudd is the king of bogan politics. Why do you think they got him back. Because Labor was in danger of losing their normally safe bogan electorates.

      Commenter
      Dude
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:34AM
    • Get Real, Tones loves bogans, his best mate alan jones is king of the bogan vote, and only bogans with their minute brains can relate to Abbott and his slogans, because they can only understand mealy mouthed 3 and 4 word quick grabs. LOL

      Commenter
      piesnchess
      Location
      Mt Evelyn
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:19PM
    • Oh dear, nothing more ugly than the spite and vitriol of the cornered and thwarted. Malik, Hacka, and your spamming ilk, we can see the whites of your eyes. Can't wait to see if you choke on bitter crow.

      Commenter
      Highly amused
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 1:02PM
    • @Highly amused

      How's life in God's country? You know that place so thick with whitebread that doesn't have to wory about any of the social issues uncontrolled immigration brings with it. I've got a great idea for asylum seeker resettlement. Scrap detention, give them all citizenship, as long as they settle in Barrenjoey.

      Who's with me?

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 1:19PM
  • I know I am being ridiculous in even considering that Rudd might be remotely interested in actually doing anything about productivity .However, if he is, why not negotiate a bipartisan program of IR reform with the Coalition? That would help provide certainty for business going forward. And, given that Rudd is so against the not-so-faceless (union) men, why not stop kow-towing to them?

    Commenter
    AdamC
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:12AM
    • Hard to negotiate bipartisan support with the leader of the Opposition when he doesn't even turn up!

      Commenter
      Scott
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:17AM
    • I said negotiate, not grandstand, Scott.

      Commenter
      AdamC
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:26AM
    • Scott, so you think that everyone has to jump to what Rudd says and obey everything he commands.
      Call an election then there will be debates.
      Never before have we seen a PM demand the Opposition Leader debate him outside Parliament and not during an election campaign.
      Rudd is a Facade and fast becoming a National joke he has no respect for the Office he holds everything is about him.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:29AM
    • Yet again with the "faceless men' crap!
      These 'faceless people' are members of the Party and Union reps.
      Amazing how they seem to have their photos printed in the Murdochracy every few months and are supposedly still 'faceless'.
      Honestly ask yourself when was the last time someone from the Noalition contacted YOU and asked what they could do to make YOUR life better!
      When the MEMBERS of a Union VOTE for the unions reps it's actually called democracy mate!
      Just when do you get your chance to join the Melbourne club and haven actual say in fomenting Torrey policy?

      Commenter
      markd195
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:41AM
    • @ Mark - sorry to disappoint you, but there's no Tories in Australia - they're in Britain and Canada.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:53AM
    • Markd, to quote Tony Abbott: 'Calm down'. Didn't you see, I said 'not-so-faceless'. I actually quite agree that the Labor string-pullers have come out of the back rooms. That does not mean they are not union dinosuars, though, which is the real underlying issue. Without seious IR reform - anathema to reactionary Australian unions - Rudd's productivity agenda will remain mere huff-and-puff.

      Commenter
      AdamC
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:55AM
  • What is the point of a Rudd debate with Abbot when their policies are identical? Two bottles, same colour, same size, both nearly empty.

    Both are in the pocket of the Business Council of Australia. Both are putting damaging resource industries like coal and CSG before the environment. That is why neither will get my vote.

    Commenter
    Ray du Monde
    Location
    NSW
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:11AM
  • Don't understand why Abbott WON'T debate Ruddy.
    He would wipe the floor with him, there is so much fodder before you even get to policy. Why have the Libs allowed this election to be a toss up? This should be a cakewalk.

    Commenter
    AusDem
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:11AM
    • These debates are always awarded to the ALP by the sycophantic media

      Commenter
      Voter17654
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:25AM
    • Voter 17654, or maybe they are awarded to the ALP because they actually win the debates...

      Commenter
      Kevin
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:43AM
    • Abbott probably thought it was a better idea for Rudd to make a total goose of himself - it worked!

      Commenter
      Mack
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:50AM
  • Kevin "Semantics" Rudd, do not be fooled, he is all talk and no substance.

    Commenter
    Garry of Melbourne
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:11AM
  • How much in borrowings is he planning now? Another few hundred billion? Is he totally dumb, blind and stupid.. with the cost of doing business in this country the highest in the world..companies are leaving in droves, cancelling projects and going elsewhere that is cost effective.. for a company to do business here they have rocks in their heads.. oops i mean leave the rocks in the ground.. what a pathetic joke he is..

    Commenter
    How much in borrowings is he planning now
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:11AM
    • I bet you don't have 24 powerpoint slides to back your assertions!

      Commenter
      whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:14AM
    • More rants from the right. Here's some facts.
      The tax to GDP ratio fell to 20.0 per cent in 2010-11,under Mr Howard 24.2 per cent
      The latest budget figures show that net government debt will peak at 11.4 per cent of GDP in 2014-15, or around $191 billion. Net debt is over 80 per cent of GDP in the US, the UK, and France, and is even higher in many other countries. FActs not rants please

      Commenter
      MarkC
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:26AM
    • And here are the facts.. Australia is 300 billion in Federal Debt from Labor.. Qld another 70-80 billion..and as for the number cruncher bureaucrats with their scientific calculators with %%%&&& blah blah blah, they are just that..dodging debt.. again from labor..interest has to be paid..all labor does is run up the debt and struggles to pay the interest.. interest paid from joe blow the taxpayer..but then again, most joe blow's around the country are laden in debt that they struggle to pay..The only slogan labor should carry is LABOR - THE DEBTOR PARTY.

      Commenter
      How much in borrowings is he planning now?
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:38AM
    • More facts: revenue was much higher under Rudd/Gillard than under Howard, including as a % of GDP, so the only reason we have debt now is because the ALP have spent far more money than the previous govt and most of it has been wasted

      Commenter
      Voter17654
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:43AM
    • Markc, So you want to be in as much debt as those basket cases ?
      Just because other countries are swimming in debt is no reason for us to be in debt.
      Debt costs money. Our interest bill EVERY YEAR is now around 9 billion.
      What could we do with the 9 billion ?
      Fund NDIS fund GONSKI.

      Commenter
      Ecka
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:55AM
    • And that is called management..and the labor debtor party are famous for it..they are unable to manage money, they borrow recklessly, spend then struggle to pay the interest..they then have to increase
      (TAXES, FEES OR CHARGES) then the audacity to claim they are great managers.. how ridiculous..interest payments come from your TAXES, FEES AND CHARGES (cashflow) and the govt is still short of the readies..The bottom line is that they are borrowing billions and billions and billions of dollars that need to be repaid in one way or another and they do have to be repaid..the only beauty is in when they need more for repayments they just increase the TAXES, FEES OR CHARGHES) LABOR can say whatever they want, but the fact is they are bad financial managers. PERIOD.

      Commenter
      How much in borrowings is he planning now?
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:00PM
    • @ MarkC, If you quote budget figures as evidence to make a point then demand others use FACTS in their posts it makes you look silly.

      Commenter
      Craig
      Location
      Collingwood
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:11PM
    • they just increase the TAXES, FEES OR CHARGHES) I didn't know that if you type in CAPITAL letters then it becomes FACT. FAct is tax to gdp is lower now. but surely you must be concerned with Abbott's PPL? That levy (Don't call it a tax) is a big burden for business..
      Craig They are treasury figures. The same people your lot will use.

      Commenter
      MarkC
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:53PM
    • The Labor party and their supporters just don't seem to understand financial management with their cashflow. They have never been able to comprehend..the never never plan..debt that never gets repaid.. Until the conservatives get in and clean up the debt..gearing, percentage ratio to GDP, blah blah blah is just a furphy.. this is all they seem to understand..rhetoric..what they do not understand is how to financially manage cashflow and balance the books.

      Commenter
      How much in borrowings is he planning on now
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 1:22PM
  • Can someone please remind Kevin that he is not the pope, he keeps on gesturing with arms outstretched with open palms as if he is the messiah, he’s not the messiah, he’s a very naughty boy.

    Commenter
    Peter G
    Location
    Drummoyne
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:10AM
  • Good to see the LNP has rallied the Troll Patrol to come and cover to Abbott's running for cover, and not debating....

    Tone's probably trying to find a way to succinctly explain how he got away with using $9,000 of taxpayer money to fund his Book launch travel agenda, and Peter Slipper is being hauled to court for 1/10th of that amount. Who orchestrated that manoeuvre, Mr Abbott?

    Commenter
    realist
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:10AM
    • Oh please just grow up

      Commenter
      paulk
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:20AM
    • paulk we'll all grow up if you get real.

      Commenter
      kenfin
      Location
      collingwood
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:49AM
    • Um yeah...
      Kevin Rudd spent 3 minutes talking about his shaving cut selfie and avoided the real questions about such things as a surplus.
      Grow up and wake up.

      Commenter
      AM
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:53AM
    • paulk, didn't you mean to tell me to 'calm down' like a good little girl...? Time for a nap old fella...

      And are you denying that Abbott used tax payer funds for his private purposes?

      Commenter
      realist
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:54AM
    • Comrade Paulk, the writer makes a fair point.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:12PM
  • What hot air on electricity, we all know that part but he did mot say what he proposes to do to fix it. I shall be canvassing my party the Palmer united party to enforce the national grid and therefore alter current y regulator theme whom may or may not be getting bought off, and are just accepting every price rise utilities request. It needs at least two of 3 members to be layperson members.

    Commenter
    brian
    Location
    glenroy
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:06AM
  • The left and the right are so appalling, is there anyone from the centre with a comment?

    Commenter
    bg
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:05AM
    • Anyone from the centre?

      Tony Abbot

      Commenter
      Jimc
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:11AM
    • The lone person from the centre is off sick today.......

      Commenter
      Shane From Melbourne
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:15AM
    • ..... And your point is?

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:30AM
  • Kevin seems to have wound back on asking himself a question and then answering his own question.

    It was always funny when a journo would get in first and answer Kevin's questions.

    Bring back the old Kevin.

    Commenter
    Vulture
    Location
    Gladesville
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:04AM
  • This PM is a joke.
    Just who is he to say that Abbott has no idea about economics? Abbott has a double degree in law and economics, whereas Rudd has a degree in Chinese Studies...
    What a ridiculous man he is and not only this, he just repeats himself all the time.

    Commenter
    AM
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:02AM
    • Then why didn't he front up then?

      Commenter
      No policy Abbott
      Location
      Qld
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:19AM
    • Doesn't say too much for his degree's does it?! Well if it Rudd can't say it I will 'Abbott and his mob don't have a clue about the economy, or how to run it'. If he or his adviser's thought he did, he would have turned up - gutless!

      Commenter
      Mark
      Location
      melbourne
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:24AM
    • Actually Costello has made the same comment about Abbott as well, but I suppose you don't think Costello has any right to talk about economics either?

      Commenter
      Jimbo
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:29AM
  • the three Ps"
    "new national competitiveness agenda"
    Mr Rudd says there is danger Australia will price itself out of the market. He points to the recent decline in the terms of trade as a "critical influence" on jobs and the standard of living.

    Hey but wait wer you lot not in charge. Of course they havent been we have the evidence of 6 long years of excuses and negativity.
    Nothing new here.

    Commenter
    Steve
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:01AM
  • I'm sure that Rudd and Abbott's maternity leave schemes are good for productivity. What's that I hear?....deafening silence from both parties.....

    Commenter
    Shane From Melbourne
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 11:00AM
    • Shane, don't you know it is politically incorrect to tell the truth.

      Commenter
      Darryl Melbourne
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:06AM
  • I agree with Rudd. Australia is in a very good position but all we've heard from Abbott is "doom doom doom". The Opposition's role is to provide alternatives not just slag off everything the government does. i would have more respect from the Liberals if they came up with credible alternatives to the Labour Government's policies.

    Commenter
    Rover Down Under
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 10:59AM
    • Good position? try checking some of the business and economic numbers, the country is in recession. which yes under these Labor idiots is a good result, normally they would try and drive the economy into depression

      Commenter
      Hornberger
      Location
      Singapore
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:03AM
    • Unemployment up again.Any jobs created all part time.

      Commenter
      thereisnoyouinLabor
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:28AM
    • Hornberger
      A recession is defined by two consecutive quarters of negative growth. As far as I can see, apart from a short period in 2009 when the rest of the Western World crashed, Australia has had nothing but positive growth. Unemployment is lower than 2/3rds of the G7, better than the US, the UK, France, Italy and Canada. Only Germany and Japan's are lower than ours and only just! Forecasted growth for the year.
      I am no Rudd supporter (I can't get worked up about how he treated Gillard, Politics is a dirty business though) but my point is about the negativity from the Liberals. If the country is in such dire straits come up with a viable alternative...and don't follow the UK's or Europe's austerity measures because then you will know what recession is really like!!!

      Commenter
      Rover Down Under
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:33AM
  • How interesting that the jobless rate has jumped today. Rudd's discussing the economy - will he have the ticker to address the debt and deficit.

    They're the two biggest risks in our government's preparedness to manage another downturn. Not to mention two of Rudd's legacies.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 10:59AM
    • Hey mate is it not the Tonster who is trying hiding behind an election date!
      Usual right wing diatribe - no facts just insults!

      Commenter
      markd195
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:26AM
  • Hey Sunshine...are the latest jobless figures negative politics of another failure of Labor's policies...the latter me thinks !!

    Commenter
    RAM
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 10:57AM
  • Incredible, what this bloke can get away with! He is the one who declares end of China boom and complains pessimism from others. He talks som much and in the process contradicts himself, reminds me my adolescent years in college debates

    Commenter
    Kris
    Location
    Kenmore
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 10:56AM
    • I got accused of using "mixing metaphors a bit there Steve- comic book heroes and Greek mythology. Then you say his a dictator- that is just ..... Then you mention smoke and mirrors- the metaphor of a magician. In addition you throw in the metaphor of an epidemic and another of a Sun King whatever that means. Yours is a rather muddled post Steve"
      Funny that I was pointing to the analogies that spurt from Rudds lips like he had been given an oral Picoprep

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:07AM
    • OK We got the point you were trying to make You went to college

      Commenter
      fredor
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:14AM
  • 1145 a.m. post - partial quote from Kevvy: "... the hard work that is needed to develop, argue and implement policies that will change Australia for the better."

    So Kev - what policy development, argument and implementation have you acheived so far in your second stint? This is separate to you mouthing off irreponsibly about Indonesia having a war with Australia; renaming Gonski without changing anything; continuing Jools' repeated characterisations of Abbott as negative; a brief junket to Indonesia, during which SBY made the major announcements; planning for another junket, this time to Moscow for the G20; and entrenching yourself as ALP leader so that you don't get knifed again?

    How about announcing an election date so we the voters can make the decision as to who we want to lead this country -
    not the ALP cacus and ALP members?

    Commenter
    Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 10:54AM
  • It's amazing. After 3 years of the dirtiest negative campaigning against his own leader, Rudd now declares that no one is allowed to be negative. Breathtaking arrogance.

    Commenter
    Dr Sam
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 10:54AM
    • No one's allowed to be negative except Mr Rudd.

      Commenter
      Adzz
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:01AM
    • How dare you question the Dear Leader!!!!!

      Commenter
      mh
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:06AM
  • Mr Abbott, please change your rhetoric. Give the great big new tax a rest. What I would like to hear from you is the Libs Great Big New Policy.

    Commenter
    The Dog Stanmore
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 10:51AM
  • Rudd is an anomaly, he has no idea of policy debate! The policy he's set on defending is the Gillard's government. While they were governing he was white anting them! Was it personal, or was it because he thought their policies were so bad? They are the questions he needs to answer!

    Commenter
    Phill Power
    Location
    Hong Kong
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 10:49AM
    • It was purely personal. As Latham said, he is pure evil.

      Commenter
      luke r
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:58AM
    • OK, so let Tony Abbott stand up and say so himself, and be prepared to debate who has the better plans and understanding to lead our country.

      The Liberals leaving it to who ever you are' to defend their absence is laughable, and hopefully transparent for everyone to now see in the clear light of day.

      I want to hear Abbott speak, not just in one-line door-stop media events. I want to hear him address constructive analysis of his capacity to lead our country, not just a stage-managed TV show with a 'friendly' journo who wants him to look good.

      I think we all now know that Abbott is not as smart as he makes out, that the brains in the Liberal party are in the backroom.

      This is no longer the 'Punch & Judy' Show. This is the real thing. Australia has an important decision to make, and w deserve to be given the opportunity to evaluate who we want to vote for, with real facts and not just crafted one-liners.

      Your very comment highlights the desperation and desire to cling to a negative campaign that has no substance. You must surely be a 'true believer'. I'm sorry for you that your party thought Australia could be seduced without substance.

      But hey, thanks to Tony's successful campaign for bringing real reform to the Labour Party: Australia will be far better for it,and for generations to come. And thanks to the labour Party for having the courage to admit it was headed for total destruction unless fundamental change was affected.

      Commenter
      Village Green
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:06AM
    • Quite frankly Village Green, people have already made up their mind! They want an election date! To presume the coalition has no policy they can debate is ludicrous, they have been doing everything they can to develop policy for the past 3 yrs! Unlike Rudd who has been the PM for the past 2+1 day weeks. There's a difference, 3 years to Rudd's few weeks. He operates in thought bubble land, he makes poor decisions, he likes to talk and talk and talk!But nothing happens-the perception I have is he is clueless and nothing he does makes any difference to the reality we live in! He is a one man band, he doesn't understand teamwork! The coalition policy (s)will make a difference! That's what Australia needs given the problems labour have created during the past 6 years of ineptitude! I choose to disagree with you-it's called democracy!

      Commenter
      Phill Power
      Location
      Hong Kong
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:25AM
    • @ Village Green - why should Abbott be dancing Kevvy's tune, when Kevvy hasn't the guts to call an election?

      If you bother to listen, Abbott is speaking, about the issues that are affecting the Australian people and the businesses they work in. He's smarter and more genuine than Rudd will ever be. Rudd's smartness is limited only to the way in which he plots revenge and securing his legacies, such as they are.

      For example, how smart were Fuel Watch, Grocery Watch, Pink Batts and the other schemes that he tried?

      Abbott is not as negative as you and your fellow travellers claim. He's out there contrasting the hopless performance of the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd ALP fiascos as opposed to the positive, policy-driven aims of the Coalition. The policies are there, for all to see. Just look for them.

      As for generations to come - they'll be paying for the interest bills and the budget deficits inflicted by Rudd & Gillard on Australia for the last 6 years.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:26AM
  • Oh yes, the Rudd Ego party, formally the ALP.

    Commenter
    Tony of Brisbane
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 10:48AM
  • C'mon Chicken Kiev, be a man and announce an election date! Stop leaving the Australian economy in the lurch just because you want to keep the top job as long as possible. Take the debate to the Australian people and let them decide!

    Commenter
    Adzz
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 10:48AM
    • We want to decide when we've had the chance to make an informed choice.

      Now is the time for being informed, analysing, challenging, questioning.

      We deserve more than one-line sound-bites.

      It's time for Abbott to get into the ring. the time for proclaiming 'I'm the Greatest' is over. We want to hear what he will do for us, and how, and defend that in the face of fair and transparent questioning.

      Sounds like you've already decided, and realised that the more informed we become the greater the chance a few of us might change their mind.

      Be not afraid if you know your cause is sound and true.

      Commenter
      Village Green
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:15AM
  • The supporters of the ALP who work as public servants must have taken a flex day today with all the utter nonsense being put into the comments section today.

    Commenter
    zzREXzz
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 10:47AM
  • Did he call the election yet?
    Such a shame, as i would like to have seen that debate!

    Commenter
    liklik
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 10:45AM
  • What? No blue tie?

    Commenter
    Puzzled
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 10:45AM
  • Instead of debating with PM Rudd.
    Tony Abbott is playing dress up again is abit of worry there. Obviously man in suit are not his forte.
    Jack of all trades master of none.

    Commenter
    Chandra Singh
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 10:38AM
    • At least Abbott is out seeing and understanding how business operates first-hand. At least Abbott goes out to where the money is generated in this country. He isn't getting photo-ops in shopping malls or being a talking head at the National Press Club. Kevvy mastery is photo-ops and talking - no action, no actual achievement.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:59AM
  • Today Kevin Rudd got my vote since no show Abbott. He gave up.

    Commenter
    Chandra Singh
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 10:31AM
    • Abbott doesn't have to turn up because a petulant child demands he should. We are not in campaign mode because there is no election date. Rudd has been wasting taxpayers money zipping around the country. W

      Commenter
      Sarah from Carnegi
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:45AM
    • @Sarah......you say "We are not in campaign mode".........I knew the LNP staffers were on this site.

      Commenter
      Bazza
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:52AM
    • I agree that Mr Abbott "doesn't need to show up" but if he did it would be an opportunity to explain his ideas to Australia.

      Commenter
      Let's discuss policy
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:52AM
    • Wrong! Abbott has offered to be there any time he wants to confirm an election or recall parliament. Kev wont do that. Kevin Rudd is only superceded by Julia as the worst Prime Minister in living memory.

      Commenter
      Jarrod
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:01AM
    • Abbott is running scared. Afraid to debate policy, but happy to go and put on a hard hat someplace. Besides, TA only knows three words that he repeats ad nauseum: 'boats, stop, the'.

      Commenter
      Jez
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:04AM
    • Rudd's call for a debate today was a furfy. Rudd needs to nominate an election date and then the campaign debates commence. Abbott was totally correct in dismissing this for what it was, a stunt pure and simple.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:05AM
    • Sarah, we've been in campaign mode since JG announced the election date all the way back in January. Everyone knows that the election will be this year, how does having a specific date make a difference as to whether you debate or not. Not saying that I like Rudd, but wouldn't mind both leaders to stop sniping each other and actually debate the issues.

      Commenter
      AusDem
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:07AM
    • Tony Abbott does not have to turn up to a debate just because Kevin Rudd demands it. Until Kevin Rudd officially announces the Federal election date and has presented a Writ of Election to the Governor General, then the election campaign has not commenced. As with all prior elections the opposition (Tony Abbott and the coalition) does not need to debate or announce any policies until Kevin Rudd has completed the above processes. The election campaign does not commence until after the final sitting of the current Parliament. So Kevin Rudd, we Australians are not as dumb as you think, announce the election date, present the Writ of Election to the Governor General and let the election contest begin. Stop stalling, Australians want and need an election now.

      Commenter
      Abbott for all Australians
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:36AM
    • If that is how you Labor voters make decisions, no wonder this country is in the mess we are in. Why should Tony Abbott give KRudd the time of day when he has not called an election. Get real and get a life please!

      Commenter
      nunufa
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:50AM
    • Thank you Chandra for representing the typical Labor voters deep and considered thinking.

      Commenter
      simplesimon
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:06PM
    • The assumption that a person in parliament has to attend according to the whim of another politician who has failed to either honour the commitment of his predecessor or take action in accordance with the expressed will of the people is ridiculous. Abbott is simply stating for what the business community is crying out and that is an immediate election to stabilise our economy. The Banks are stating that they RBA has to cut interest rates in August because economy tanked in June due to the ALP self interest and July will be even worse thanks to their inactivity again.

      Commenter
      philosopher
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:14PM
    • Oh you poor, poor NatLib voters the disappointment in your beloved leader is palpable in the electorate as witnessed by the vitriol spewing forth from the Tories on the blogosphere!

      Commenter
      markd195
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 1:07PM
  • Any attempt to focus on policy is a good thing. Personality plays are fun but useless in terms of deciding on the best government.

    Commenter
    Good Logic
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 10:30AM
  • Rudd get your priorities right and forget about debating Abbott and start telling the Australian public how you are going to remedy and tackle.
    1 Our asylum seeker and border control debacle
    2 Our rising unemployment situation
    3 Australia's rising budget deficit
    4 Funding Gonski and the NDIS proposals
    5 Explain why your pink batts programme failed, and the list goes on.

    Commenter
    Garry of Melbourne
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 10:29AM
    • 1 He has been talking about the asylum seekers hasn't he?
      2 Pretty sure he's talked about the end ofthe mining boom and the rebalancing of the economy
      3 OK. fair cop he hasn't talked deficits, but to be honest, our debt is pretty low, not really an issue as yet.
      4 Hasn't Gonski and NDIS already been covered?
      5 And he's apologies re: pink batts. I think everyone's clear that pushing out a programme with the support of an unregulated industry was a bad idea. IF you want to vote against him for that, go ahead.

      Commenter
      AusDem
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:10AM
    • 1 He broke the system and all he can do is talk about it as his action caused over 46,000 boat people and 1,100 drowning
      2 Taxing mining raised a lot and caused a slow down
      3 There was no debt when he came to office and he promised a surpluses but never delivered as per usual with the ALP
      4 Hasn't Gonski and NDIS States are raising indirect taxes to pay for these systems and of course medicare levy increases
      5 If he is truly sorry then release the 10 letters written to him and personally see the parents of these killed.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:42AM
    • @ AusDem

      Kevvy's been talking, but has he actually done anything? NO!

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:44AM
  • When will the media and the public wake up to the fact this is the Rudd Ego Party, the labor party disappeared when Gillard knifed Rudd and then Shorten knifed Gillard allowing Rud 2.0 to run it HIS way.

    Commenter
    Tony of Kureelpa
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 10:29AM
    • So right.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:38AM
    • When will you wake up to the fact that no one cares if he has an ego. Most politicians do.

      Commenter
      Jay
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:43AM
    • I am so sick of this 'Ego' non- criticism.

      Since when did having a leader with an ego harm a country? Any other leaders have ego? Winston Churchill? Margaret Thatcher? Bill Clinton?

      Indonesia- 'sorry, no free trade agreements with Australia- their PM has too much of an ego.'?

      US- 'Sorry Australia, we will not co-operate with your defence forces because your leader has too much of an ego.'??

      Seriously- if you're going to criticise a party and not vote for them, at least make it about their P-O-L-I-C-I-E-S, not about your perceptions of the party leader's ego!

      Commenter
      Reg
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:46AM
    • @ Reg - so what P-O-L-I-C-I-E-S has Kevvy announced or foreshadowed in the last two weeks, other than just T-A-L-K-I-N-G about them, like he just did this afternoon? Has there been anything concreete or substantial?

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:16PM
  • Abboyt is hanging with scientists? I thought Coalition policy is that science doesn't exist. Does this count as a backflip?

    Commenter
    Bob
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 10:26AM
  • @ Q&A Albo obviously superior Malcolm want to be Prime Minister .All puff up as always.

    Commenter
    Gerry
    Location
    Cornerstone
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 10:26AM
  • Debate? Abbott? He'd have to articulate or cite evidence in support of his polices, based on sound argument, detail and fact. I think that precludes one Tony Abbott from the outset. Better to keep chanting 3 word slogans like 'great big tax, stop the boats, bla bla bla'.

    Commenter
    all chest and hair
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 10:24AM
    • Her we go ready for white noise

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:32AM
  • Another last gasp by Fairfax Media to be relevant.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 10:22AM
    • ooooh nasty, J. (gillard will win by a majority of 10 seats) Fraser. Your beloved Fairfax brought her down and yet you continue to participate?

      Commenter
      thereisnoyouinLabor
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:27AM
    • Well go back to the enlightened embrace of the Guardian Fraze

      Commenter
      Jimc
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:29AM
    • I have come to the conclusion the J is one of the many non-essential QLD State Gov workers who got the boot...

      Commenter
      Liberator
      Location
      SEQLD
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:33AM
  • Tony Abbott empty vessel make more noise so are the rest of his ministers .cant get away too far from voters.

    Commenter
    Old Mary
    Location
    Westies
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 10:21AM
  • Fair enough - Mr Abbott must articulate his vision and policies for Australia's future if he aspires to win the forthcoming election. hether or not he is able to do that adequately remains to be seen, but I cannot see any reasy he should feel compelled to do it on K Rudd's command.

    Commenter
    Toshack
    Location
    Latrobe Valley
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 10:19AM
    • Then why does Abbott "command" an election date be named? It's not LOTO's call.

      Commenter
      GE
      Location
      Victoria
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:42AM
    • His call is to ask the PM to name the election date, which he is doing.

      Commenter
      TariqM
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:04AM
  • Chicken little soon have to face the music.
    Since labour polices are bad his is better.
    Is time to let us scrutiny.

    Commenter
    Wendyv
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 10:10AM
  • Happy Birthday Whitlam mate. Australias best PM!

    Commenter
    Daniel
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 10:00AM
    • Comedy Gold

      Commenter
      Gof
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:41AM
  • So carefully leaked excerpts of Rudd's visionary "A new national competitiveness agenda for Australia" focus on Abbott? How predictable.

    Commenter
    brian
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 9:59AM
  • Rudd is becoming more statesman like day by day,he has given us a positive outlook and positive policies whereas Abbott can only give us negativity and three line sound byte slogans,Abbott runs from debates faster than his dives in his boxing days.

    Commenter
    Steeden
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 9:57AM
    • There's nothing statemenlike about deficits and letting the boat people swarm in to enjoy our $billions of social welfare.

      Commenter
      Stormeister
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:18AM
    • Rudds 3 word slogan is "3 word slogan"...Abbott is just taking his time waiting for Rudd to remind people of 2010..until then he is getting on with his commitments made prior to the resurrection of the Ruddbot. Rudd might think he can demand everyone drop everything to do what he wants (after all his crazed mania was part of the reason he was dumped in the first place)but some sensible, more stable people stick to their commitments and to their own timetable. Rudd is just like a pesky mozzie..he'll be morteined soon enough..Until then I'm enjoying the sideshow. By the way does anyone else think Rudd looks a little pasty in the face..must be all those sleepless nights hell bent of vengeance for Gillard and the Unions.

      Commenter
      thereisnoyouinLabor
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:26AM
    • A Statesman would not tap a disable person on the head as Rudd did yesterday.
      It was shown on 7.30 last night.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:29AM
    • I think they would rather be working than living off less than the dole. But alas they're not allowed to. Besides you'd just be complaining about them taking our jobs

      Commenter
      Peach
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:33AM
    • You mean slogans like working families, modern families, moving forward, cuts to the bone, jobs and growth, etc?

      Oh wait, they weren't Abbott.

      As for negativity, wasn't it Rudd a few weeks back saying his sole objective was to stop Tony Abbott becoming prime minister? Not make Australia better, not correct Labors failures, not listen to the electorate. Hardly a positive objective.

      Commenter
      adrian
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:33AM
    • Why would you vote for Rudd or the ALP. Thre are 10 members of the ALP who won't work with him and will retire at the next election. What does this tell you?
      We have the ALP telling us that Rudd is the best thing since sliced bread when most of them will not work with him. Why is it that Rudd is suposedly good for Australia but not good enough for 44% of those in the ALP.

      Commenter
      Cptn Kirk
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:10AM
    • Rudd tickled her head and she laughed,arent disabled people allowed to have a joke and laugh!!..Its better than saying "S..T Happens"about our brave dead soldiers!!

      Commenter
      Steeden
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:11AM
    • What a joke.. the only Statesman is the car that he is being driven in that taxpayers are dearly paying for.

      Commenter
      Another Statesman
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:30AM
    • @Stormeister, Fraser also handed down deficits and let boat people in. Was he unstatesmanlike?

      Commenter
      Ben
      Location
      Newcastle
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:45AM
  • Mr Slogan himself, all behind his empty cheesy grin. A man of straw - absolutely no substance. he failed once and will do so again if we Australians are stupid enough to elect his party. Gillard is looking good - at least a few ideas and some substance

    Commenter
    itsingers
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 9:54AM
  • What Mr Rudd has proven is he will say and do anything to be a Prime Minister. He is not here to serve the people, he is here to serve himself. Shame, Labor Party use to stand for something, now they only see $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Commenter
    Davidt.21
    Location
    Adelaide
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 9:49AM
    • What ...and Tony doesn't do the same.Wake up .....they are both carved from the same block of wood.

      Commenter
      anythinggoes
      Location
      Wollongong
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:19AM
    • "diatribe of negativity, most conservative, 100% negative diet, doesnt wish to face public scrutiny?
      Is he describing himself. No didnt mention rubbery and cunning.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:36AM
    • The chinese say beware of the person who smiles a lot! It's because hey have nothing to say! That's Rudd! Nothing to say, we're not listening to this feel good politician! Completely without substance!

      Commenter
      Phill Power
      Location
      Hong Kong
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:56AM
    • Phil Power 'beware man who smiles but says nothing'?

      Isn't that what the debates are all about. Are you confused, or is it not true that Abbott wants to avoid the debates (say nothing)!

      Commenter
      Village Green
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:21AM
  • What can we expect from Rudd today ? For example:

    Will he address the serious budget problems started six years ago ?

    Will he produce any sort of plan to deal with boats, the MRRT problems, the ETS ?

    Will he renounce any of the Gillard policies like media restrictions, freedom of speech crackdowns or address the white elephant NBN ?

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 9:21AM
    • Whatever appeals to the lowest common denominator.

      He has made a career of talking instead of walking.

      Commenter
      Jimc
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 9:44AM
    • That would be bizarro Kevin. I am expecting the usual: 'Tony, Tony, Tony ...'

      Commenter
      AdamC
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 9:46AM
    • Hacka - You forgot to mention the serious GFC problem that we had 6 years go which most western countries continue to deal with...

      Commenter
      Sam
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 9:47AM
    • Sure Sam - can you tell us how that nasty GFC is impacting out 4 biggest trading partners being China, India, Japan and Korea ?

      Looks like Mr Positive only lasted for a few days, who would have thought.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 9:56AM
    • The GFC was over in 2009. The world has been growing ever since. You can't blame the GFC forever.

      Commenter
      Rodrigo
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:06AM
    • All you guys seem reduced to talking amongst yourselves. Huddling together in a virtual world of agreement. Surely a collective denial hasn't set in has it?

      Commenter
      Look the Hack Pack
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:26AM
    • The GFC was hardly over in 2009. It is ongoing. That is why the US is printing an extra 85 billion a month NOW and most of the world is still in recession with high unemployment.

      Commenter
      Good Logic
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:27AM
    • Or he could do a Tony Abbott – which entails doing absolutely nothing, no real plans or policies, just empty 3 word slogans and negative rhetoric.

      Commenter
      all chest and hair
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:36AM
    • Probably much the same as we can expect from you every day...

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:46AM
    • Bad Logic, of course the GFC is over. The US is printing money because the people borrowed too much. Sounds familiar to you?

      Commenter
      Rodrigo
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:06AM
    • Roddy, sounds like the poor people in the early 2000's who were encouraged to borrow, in many instances, beyond their means, on promises eternally low interest rates.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:18PM
  • Is there a chance he'll call the election tonight Steph?

    Commenter
    Tim Smith
    Location
    The Gap
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 9:17AM
    • Sorry, meant today at the NPC?

      Commenter
      Tim Smith
      Location
      The Gap
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 9:23AM
  • Stephanie -

    Did Tim Lester do any video interviews today??

    What time is the debate?? Will it be streamed live by SMH??

    Commenter
    Sam
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 9:16AM
    • Yes, latest Breaking Politics interviews can be viewed here anytime ...

      www.smh.com.au/breaking-politics

      The 'debate' is at 12.30, but SMH does not have the rights to stream the ABC broadcast, we will have clips up as it unfolds.

      Commenter
      Stephanie
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 9:50AM
    • Thank you Stephanie...

      Do you know of any site that will be streaming the non-debate live?

      Commenter
      sam
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:05AM
    • try ABC24

      Commenter
      The Mod
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:07AM
  • Rudd's games began immediately after the knifing of Gillard. No more negativity or divisiveness... no more class and gender wars. Yesterday he accused Abbott of delaying the amendment to the Constitution regarding recognition of "first people". In fact, the issue has had bipartisan support from the outset.

    Rudd is a megalomaniac and if the ALP agrees to his leadership "reforms" they will be stuck with him for a long, long time.

    Commenter
    Puzzled
    Location
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 9:14AM
    • It proves KRudd will say anything to smear his opponents.

      Commenter
      Tania K
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:10AM
    • Kevin Rudd is all about negative politics. He is the 'King" of it with his undermining of the Government for the past 3 years. Can't think of anything more negative than that.

      Commenter
      Sarah from Carnegi
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:41AM
    • Every word out of Rudd's mouth is negative. Negative, negative, negative. Even calling Abbott negative is negative. Rudd, get real.

      Commenter
      luke r
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:59AM
    • Wow it's a bit rich claiming Rudd is the negative one! Abbott's overwhelming game for the past 6 years has been about trying to tear down everything that Labor has done, regardless of its merits.

      I guess when everyone sees your leader Abbott as Mr Negative, its the kind of response expected to try to claim the opposite is the case. Of course, most of us that remember what its like to have Liberals in power will remember that they like to say one thing and then do the complete opposite.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:45AM
  • Abbott is a whimp. For a man who has been running around the country crying doom and gloom he should be debating his ideas vs Rudd's so the Australian people can make informed choices.

    No one likes a whimp. Especially one who goes around beating his chest and runs away when someone challenges them.

    Commenter
    Sam
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 9:13AM
    • Why should Abbott listen to Rudd's demands? To be fair, Rudd shouldn't listen to Abbott about 'election now' either. The election time is set by law, and leader debates occur during an election campaign. Otherwise, its called "parliament". ALP so quick to jump on the bandwagon, stop, think, and wake up to yourselves..

      Commenter
      homeless penguin
      Location
      ACT
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 9:49AM
    • No one likes a PM that has travelled over 25,000kms around the country since he became PM two weeks ago. He is not governing but campaigning.
      If he wants a debate then either call an election or recall parliament then the debates will be on.
      Rudd is a facade has always been and always will be. The sign of shallowness of Rudd is the pathetic photo he posted on tweeter of himself with a shaving cut. He is meant to be Prime Minister of Australia not a so called media celebrity.
      He craves public attention and public adulation nothing else matter to Rudd.
      Rudd can not hide from the 46,000 boat people that have arrived and 1,100 drowning since he changed the laws, the debt that has an interest bill of $22 million a day, the pinks batts that killed 4 people caused untold damage to homes and the home insulation business, broken promises on hospitals an referendum to take over within 18 months he could not fix the system, fuel and groceries watch, we will not touch Supa or PHI.
      The list just goes on and on.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:08AM
    • Sam, At The Press Club did Rudd mention that Youth unemployment reached 27.3% the highest in 16 years, and the unemployment rate reached 5.7%.
      Did he also mention that one of his candidates in a Sydney seat comes in front of ICAC next week.
      If Rudd wants a debate I will debate him.

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 1:36PM
  • Has Kev still got the Press Club booked for tonight to debate himself ?

    Malcolm asked Albo for a debate but Albo sounded a bit worried and ignored it.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    July 11, 2013, 9:04AM
    • Hacka - So its okay for MT to debate before an election is called but not okay for TA??

      Atleast come up with an excuse like we are currently working on some policies.

      Are you??

      Commenter
      Sam
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 9:20AM
    • I'm starting to feel deeply deeply sorry for you Hacka ....

      Commenter
      juileep
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 9:23AM
    • Hacka - I am debating him tonight

      Commenter
      Davidt.21
      Location
      Adelaide
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 9:51AM
    • I guess Knuckles Abbott and Barney Rubble are down where Whyalla used to be handing out $200 legs of lamb and trying to understand electricity bills. Talk about say anything - anything dumb that is. This pair of walking negative thought bubbles are a disgrace to Australia. Shame Abbo's boat wasn't turned back in the '50's - the Brits are welcome to him.

      Commenter
      Bully
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:33AM
    • Hacka, you're unbelievable. You're calling out Deputy Dawg for not having a debate while at the same time you and the Hack Pack (thanks whoever you are) are defending to the death the shadow Big Dawg's fearless retreat.

      Commenter
      jofek
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 10:53AM
    • K Rudd knows he can always win a debate in the eyes of his beloved twitter fans. No doubt he is a better talker than abbott, than anyone. It's the dribble and lies and avoidance that people should be focusing on. Last question at the press club he was asked about unemployment , he talked most eloquently but not about unemployment. great stuff K Rudd, send us another pic of yourself

      Commenter
      Genghis
      Location
      Lounge
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:39AM
    • Hacka, just go and collect your cheque from the Libs and shut up for a while, will you? We're all heartily sick of you.

      Commenter
      vasili
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:41AM
    • Yawn. More hypocrisy from the SMH's resident conservative troll. Had the situation been reversed and it was Rudd refusing to debate Abbott, Hacka would be bellowing from the sidelines that Rudd had no ticker. Having just watched the press club address it is clear why 'Tony Stop-the-boats Abbott' didn't show. Rudd would have wiped the floor with him.

      Commenter
      Dr Scott
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:43AM
    • So many Labor supporters out with fork, club and torch in hand! These Labor supporters are all very scared that the Libs will cut their excessive public servant list, their over generous working conditions and bring them back to reality.

      Commenter
      Liberator
      Location
      SEQLD
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 11:57AM
    • Indeed Liberator - their greatest fear is Abbott as PM.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 12:11PM
    • Malcolm Turnbul being debated on the NBN, sorry Fraudband, that will be good
      After all Malcolm did invent the internet.

      Commenter
      Johno
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 1:30PM
    • I'd love to debate Rudd. I'd ask him, how can the economy recover when we have the highest personal debt and house prices in the world. I'd also ask him, with a ten million dollar house portfolio if he has a vested interest in not addressing this mammoth in the room.

      It's just more of the same. Politicians looking after themselves way, way, way before the country. Vote these people out.

      Commenter
      JohnBB
      Location
      Date and time
      July 11, 2013, 1:53PM
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