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Federal Politics Live: September 13, 2013

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Another day, another campaign. Let's look back on the day that was:

  • MPs returned to Canberra for the first time since the election;
  • Prime Minister elect Tony Abbott congratulated his troops and told them it was time to start work on keeping the trust the voters placed in them last Saturday;
  • Mr Abbott's ministry is expected to be announced early next week and sworn in on Wednesday;
  • a rank and file ballot of the Labor Party will be held to determine its new leader;
  • the contenders are Anthony Albanese and Bill Shorten; and
  • Chris Bowen is interim leader until the ballot is finished.

Thanks, as always, to everyone who read and commented. My apologies if some of the later posts look out of order. They are but some gremlins in the system rearranged things and our technicians are working on it.

Another big round of applause to Andrew Meares and Alex Ellinghausen. We will be back with you next week.

Enjoy the weekend.

Mr Shorten says Labor will "have to work hard to rebuild people's trust in Labor".

"I'm a campaigner and I'm a builder," Mr Shorten says.

He harks back to his days as an early advocate for the national disability insurance scheme and says this shows he can take an idea from small beginnings to reality.

"We want to build a big Labor Party, we want a movement for change," Mr Shorten says.

Labor must reflect the "dynamism and diversity" of Australia.

What is going on with the government elect? Until it is sworn in, not much.

The expectation is that Tony Abbott will now not announce his ministry until early next week (which puts the swearing in back to later in the week).

But for a hint of what it might look like Breaking Politics' Tim Lester spoke to former Coalition staffer David Miles.

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And that's it for Mr Shorten.

Bill Shorten at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Bill Shorten at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Shorten says he "takes some responsibility for the dischord" inside Labor over the past few years.

 

Labor MP Bill Shorten at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Labor MP Bill Shorten at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

The deputy will be elected by the caucus, Mr Shorten says.

He again nominates Tanya Plibersek as a good candidate but says "there may be others".

(Mr Albanese did not nominate anyone.)

Mr Shorten says he wants to help "batter down the cynicism" about politics.

Labor MP Bill Shorten at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Labor MP Bill Shorten at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

"It's about ideas to excite Australians," Mr Shorten says.

Mr Shorten is asked if he loses this ballot whether he would run again.

Mr Shorten says "whoever wins this ballot will have the ongoing support of the caucus until the next election".

Labor MP Bill Shorten at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Labor MP Bill Shorten at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Shorten says Labor must reach out to tradespeople, women, small business owners, academics and people from the bush.

"Labor must have ideas that speak not to the 24 hour news cycle but to the next four or five years," Mr Shorten says.

The election process will be "civil", Mr Shorten says.

 

 

Mr Shorten says people can have "no greater say" in politics than by joining Labor and having a say in the leadership.

 

Mr Shorten says the Labor Party is "not just about individuals".

"The essential task is to unify our party and to unify our purpose," he says.

"It will not be the contest of personalities, it will be a contest of ideas."

Labor MP Bill Shorten at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Labor MP Bill Shorten at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Bill Shorten: "I wish Mr Albanese well. I've indicated if he is successful I will serve in whatever capacity he chooses."

"Labor is drawing a line under the rancour of previous years," Mr Shorten says.

"We will not seek to publicly disparage each other and our efforts."

 

Mr Rudd said the next election was "entirely winnable for whoever you elected as your next leader".

Electing a new leader is "within our wit and wisdom...particularly given the enormous opportunity it provides for the first time for our rank and file to have their say".

 

To occupy us until then let me post some of the comments Kevin Rudd made to the Labor Party caucus which he has helpfully just emailed to reporters.

"To those of you elected to this place for the first time, I welcome you with every word of encouragement," Mr Rudd said.

"No one's political career is ever smooth. Each of you will face great challenges in the future. But you are also part of a new beginning and great successes lie ahead for you all."

"For the campaign that has been fought, I have given it my all but this was not enough and I, of course, accept full responsibility for the outcome. Throughout this campaign we have all fought the good fight. And together we have preserved the party as a viable fighting force for the future."

Bill Shorten will hold a press conference at 3.15 pm.

What do you think? Should Anthony Albanese or Bill Shorten be leader of the Labor Party?

Have your say in our online readers poll which you can find here.

(Is it just me or does anyone else find it amusing that Labor says it should stop talking about itself before embarking upon about five weeks of doing just that?)

Anthony Albanese during a press conference at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Anthony Albanese during a press conference at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Andrew Meares

And here is the address Prime Minister elect Tony Abbott gave to the Coalition party room:

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For those who would like to relive some of today's highlights here is the video of Mr Bowen's press conference:

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The Labor leadership is exciting MPs:

 

Mr Albanese says it was "pretty obvious" that last Saturday's election was always going to be very difficult.

But it is possible to come back.

"The one thing we have to be that we did not do between 1996 and 1998 is not be shy about our legacy," Mr Albanese says.

"The makings of the next Labor government, an experienced team, are there."

And that's it for Mr Albanese.

 

 

"I'm sure this can be a very constructive process," Mr Albanese says of the vote.

 

 

Mr Albanese says the Labor Party "must modernise"

"The Labor Party needs to move beyond narrow factions," Mr Albanese says.

He likens the Labor Party to "bowling clubs of the 1960s" that have not kept pace with the times and are now "withering".

Opening up the leadership to a rank and file vote can only be a good thing, he says.

"There's been too much tactics [sic] and not enough vision," Mr Albanese says.

Anthony Albanese at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Anthony Albanese at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Andrew Meares

"Labor has to be prepared to argue out our case...to our supporters but to those who are not our supporters," Mr Albanese says of Labor's position on climate change.

There must be a strong policy on climate change and a price on carbon, Mr Albanese says.

He could not look his son in the eye and tell him Labor did not fight on that issue.

Mr Albanese says he would be happy to participate in debates with Mr Shorten.

Anthony Albanese at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Anthony Albanese at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Albanese pays tribute to his "friend" Bill Shorten who he says would also be a good leader and mentions his role in the creation of DisabilityCare.

He ends with a call to people to join up.

"Join up, be part of the Labor Party growth. Be part of the rebuilding of Labor," Mr Albanese says.

"Today we begin the rebuilding of our own party."

Mr Albanese says "what you see is what you get" with him.

"We should be standing up for our views. We should also be prepared to engage and not be negative for negative's sake," Mr Albanese says.

"We need to use this period of opposition to encourage new policies, new ideas."

Labor needs to "take advantage" of the unfortunate situation of being in opposition, Mr Albanese says, to think about the new national broadband network and DisabilityCare.

 

Anthony Albanese at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Anthony Albanese at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Albanese says Labor must advocate a platform for the future based on four things:

  • a strong economy;
  • creating opportunities;
  • a sustainable Australia; and 
  • a fair go for all.

"What we leave for future generations is important," Mr Albanese says.

"Labor governments are at their best when they take on inequality and discrimination."

 

 

Mr Albanese: "In the coming weeks I will run for the Labor leadership on the same platform as I would run for Australia's prime minister. We have to change, we have to do better for Australia and for Labor."

"Labor must always be about the concerns that are being discussed around the kitchen table and in the living rooms of Australians," he says.

"I stand before you as the personification of what Labor can do in terms of changing people's lives. I grew up in a housing commission flat in Camperdown with a single mother who was on a disability pension."

Anthony Albanese at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Anthony Albanese at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Anthony Albanese is speaking.

Mr Albanese says it was "appropriate" that he told his family first, then Bill Shorten and then the caucus.

He is running because he believes he is the "best person" to lead Labor back into government.

"I'm standing because I have the policy credentials developed over a long period of time," Mr Albanese says.

 

And the winner is.....well you've got another five weeks or so to wait.

Portraits of Labor leaders Gough Witlam, Bill Hayden, Bob Hawke, Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard hang in the caucus room at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Portraits of Labor leaders Gough Witlam, Bill Hayden, Bob Hawke, Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard hang in the caucus room at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Andrew Meares

And no, to those who are interested, no mention was made at the meeting of who the deputy Labor leader might be.

Julie Collins and Tanya Plibersek depart the Labor Party meeting at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Julie Collins and Tanya Plibersek depart the Labor Party meeting at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Bowen has just finished his press conference.

Expect to hear from Messers Shorten and Albanese shortly.

Labor MP Chris Bowen addresses the media during a doorstop interview at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Labor MP Chris Bowen addresses the media during a doorstop interview at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

The new leader will allocate portfolios to a front bench elected by caucus, Mr Bowen says.

Mr Bowen is about to be a very busy man - interim leader and treasury spokesman for the next month or so.

 

Bill Shorten departs the Labor meeting at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Bill Shorten departs the Labor meeting at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Bowen says he will not be endorsing either leadership candidate because of his position as interim leader.

Mr Bowen says Kevin Rudd gave a "moving and inspirational report".

The caucus moved a unanimous motion of thanks to Mr Rudd and his wife, Therese Rein, for their service to the party.

"He's still a relatively young man with things to offer the nation," Mr Bowen says.

"It's up to him to decide whether he wants to do that in Parliament or through other mechanisms...He is welcome to stay the member for Griffith for as long as he chooses."

Former prime minister Kevin Rudd departs the Labor meeting with NSW senator elect Sam Dastyari and Alan Griffin at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Former prime minister Kevin Rudd departs the Labor meeting with NSW senator elect Sam Dastyari and Alan Griffin at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Andrew Meares

"The more engagement we have the better," Mr Bowen says.

(Does this mean we are about to have an election campaign for the Labor party leadership?)

Anthony Albanese departs the Labor meeting at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Anthony Albanese departs the Labor meeting at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Bowen is outlining the rules of the vote.

The caucus has not voted. It will vote once the party membership has voted.

The caucus will not know the result of the party membership vote.

Mr Bowen says while he is interim leader he will do his best to hold Tony Abbott to account.

The new leader will have the "greatest legitimacy" in Labor Party history because he will have been chosen by both the party and its members.

"This is bringing us into line with the rest of the world and I think other parties will in time follow," Mr Bowen says.

Chris Bowen says the Labor Party has a choice between "two very good candidates with a vision for Australia".

"While this important process is underway we won't stop holding the Abbott government to account," Mr Bowen says.

The acting shadow cabinet will be the same as it was when Labor was in government.

Richard Marles will take on Defence.

 

Chris Bowen departs the Labor meeting at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Chris Bowen departs the Labor meeting at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Meanwhile, at least one Coalition MP did not make it to the party room meeting:

 

Remember how former treasurer Wayne Swan said on election night that he wanted to make policy contributions from the backbench? This just in from the social media backbench:

 

Chris Bowen (is his title now interim Labor leader?) will hold a press conference in 15 minutes' time.

Stand by.

There are a couple of phrases each side of politics would like to see consigned to the recycling heap.

If you're on the Labor side of things yours might be "faceless men". If you're on the Coalition side of things yours might be "Tony Abbott's women problem".

But both are proving hard to dislodge.

Take the women bizzo. The Prime Minister elect is trying to work out how to deal with a glaring lack of women in his Cabinet, as Jonathan Swan reports.

Let me provide you with some links to the stories providing more comprehensive coverage of the meetings of the government and opposition party rooms.

Mr Albanese has nominated to become the Labor Party leader but whatever the outcome of today's meeting it will take another month before the views of thousands of party members are known.

Mr Abbott has told his colleagues to take just a moment to enjoy their victory.

The joint party meeting applauds as Prime Minister elect Tony Abbott delivers his address at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

The joint party meeting applauds as Prime Minister elect Tony Abbott delivers his address at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Introducing the new MP for Lindsay, Fiona Scott.

Incoming Liberal MP Fiona Scott at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Incoming Liberal MP Fiona Scott at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Meanwhile, the meeting of the Coalition party room has just wrapped up. Feel free to hum whatever piece of triumphant marching style music you feel is fit.

Prime minister elect Tony Abbott departs after the Coalition party room meeting at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Prime minister elect Tony Abbott departs after the Coalition party room meeting at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Sydney MP Chris Bowen is now the acting leader of the Labor Party.

The process of determining the new leader will take about a month.

The artist formerly known as the prime minister.

Kevin Rudd arrives at the Labor Party meeting at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Kevin Rudd arrives at the Labor Party meeting at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Tanya Plibersek is in the House.

Jenny Macklin, Penny Wong Tanya Plibersek and Senator Joe Ludwig arrive for the Labor caucus  meeting at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Jenny Macklin, Penny Wong Tanya Plibersek and Senator Joe Ludwig arrive for the Labor caucus meeting at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Senator elect Sam Dastyari (the former head of the NSW Labor Party) is there as is David Feeney (former senator but now the member for Batman).

The national secretary of the ALP, George Wright, is in town but did not enter the caucus meeting.

Senator elect Sam Dastyari, new MP David Feeney and ALP campaign director George Wright arrive for the Labor meeting at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Senator elect Sam Dastyari, new MP David Feeney and ALP campaign director George Wright arrive for the Labor meeting at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Andrew Meares

We may be waiting some time.

Bill Shorten and Richard Marles arrive for the Labor Party meeting at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Bill Shorten and Richard Marles arrive for the Labor Party meeting at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Attention now turns to the Labor Party meeting.

Anthony Albanese talks with former PMO staff on his way to the meeting of the Labor caucus at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Anthony Albanese talks with former PMO staff on his way to the meeting of the Labor caucus at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Tony Abbott tells his MPs it is his "honour" to "welcome you back to Canberra as the prime minister elect of Australia".

"Governments change but rarely in this country. All changes of government are historic," Mr Abbott says.

"All of you can be proud of the part you have played. Our task is but to briefly savour this moment."

Mr Abbott says the job of the Coalition government will be to "purposefully, calmly and methodically to deliver on our commitments".

The Coalition joint party meeting applauds after prime minister elect Tony Abbott's address.

The Coalition joint party meeting applauds after prime minister elect Tony Abbott's address. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Labor Senator Kate Lundy exits the Coalition party room watched by Andrew Hirst and James Boyce from Tony Abbott's staff.

Labor Senator Kate Lundy exits the Coalition party room at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Labor Senator Kate Lundy exits the Coalition party room at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

We've all been there:

 

Oops - well it's a confusing kind of day:

Tony Abbott and Julie Bishop were re elected as leader and deputy leadership of the Liberal Party (no surprises there).

 

Prime minister elect Tony Abbott and Julie Bishop at the Coalition joint party meeting at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Prime minister elect Tony Abbott and Julie Bishop at the Coalition joint party meeting at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

There is much packing and moving of boxes going on around Parliament House today.

This picture used to hang in Tony Abbott's office back when he was opposition leader. Once he becomes prime minister Mr Abbott will have the pick of the building's extensive art collection.

Artwork is removed from the Opposition Leader's office at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Artwork is removed from the Opposition Leader's office at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Andrew Meares

They say walking clears the head and helps one focus on making a decision.

Labor MP Anthony Albanese at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Labor MP Anthony Albanese at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Andrew Meares

The retirement of key independents Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott helped give the National Party its best lower house election result since 1998 in last Saturday's election.

You can read about the National Party's election results here.

National Party MPs arrive for the Coalition joint party meeting at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

National Party MPs arrive for the Coalition joint party meeting at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: ALex Ellinghausen

Northern Territory Senator Nigel Scullion will be the leader of the Nationals in the Senate. His deputy will be Fiona Nash.

Mark Coulton will continue as the chief National whip while Bridget McKenzie will be the National Senate whip.

New LNP member for Capricornia, Michelle Landry, is congratulated by Senators Bridget McKenzie and Fiona Nash at the National Party meeting in Canberra on Friday.

New LNP member for Capricornia, Michelle Landry, is congratulated by Senators Bridget McKenzie and Fiona Nash at the National Party meeting in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Andrew Meares

The National Party has announced the results of its leadership team following its party room meeting.

Warren Truss was re elected as leader (which means he will become deputy prime minister once the Coalition government is sworn in) and the deputy leader will be Barnaby Joyce.

Barnaby Joyce at the National Party meeting at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Barnaby Joyce at the National Party meeting at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Albanese is from the NSW Left and very popular with the party's members.

Mr Shorten is from the Victorian Right so could have the upper hand when it comes to the numbers inside caucus.

Mr Albanese's decision to run means not only will the Labor caucus have to vote on the leadership but that the party's rank and fille members will also have their say.

According to the rules instituted by former prime minister Kevin Rudd the votes of the party membership are weighted at 50 per cent. The remaining 50 per cent will be based on the vote of the caucus.

While the rank and file membership vote there would be an interim leader.

Labor MP Anthony Albanese arrives at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Labor MP Anthony Albanese arrives at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Regular readers will know I have a soft spot for Liberal MP Bronwyn Bishop.

I can only hope she becomes the new Speaker because that would be excellent for future question time blogging.

Liberal MP Bronwyn Bishop arrives for the Liberal Party meeting at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Liberal MP Bronwyn Bishop arrives for the Liberal Party meeting at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: ALex Ellinghausen

A Labor MP has confirmed to breaking news reporter Jonathan Swan that Anthony Albanese will stand for the Labor leadership.

Here is a quick ready reckoner to the new Labor Party rules.

(NB - We have looked for the actual rules on the Labor Party website but can't find it. If anyone has had more success please let me know.)

My apologies. The new Labor rules are confusing for everyone (see 10.40 am).

The acting interim leader would be Chris Bowen not Penny Wong because the leader must be in the House of Representatives.

From the man who believes he is well equipped to be the new science minister.

 

Should the Labor Party leadership go to a ballot of the rank and file membership its interim leader would be Senator Penny Wong.

Senator Wong would hold the job because she is the next most senior person in the leadership chain of command.

You can read the latest on the leadership here, courtesy of The Age's political editor, Michael Gordon.

And here is some background on Bill Shorten and Anthony Albanese.

 

What do you think about it? Is Indonesia's proposal to buy one million hectares of land to breed cattle in Australia's interests?

You can have your say in our online readers' poll which you can find here.

Incoming National Party MP, Barnaby Joyce, probably hasn't helped the relationship with Indonesia by criticising a plan to buy one million hectares of Australian farmland to safeguard its beef supply.

Any such purchase would have to go before the Foreign Investment Review Board.

Prime minister elect Tony Abbott will make good on his promise to visit Jakarta in the near future. However,  Indonesia appears to be no happier with his plans to further toughen up immigration policy.

The Indonesian Foreign Minister, Marty Natalegawa, has criticised the Coalition's proposal to pay bounties for information on people smuggling operations, as national security correspondent David Wroe reports.

"We will reject [Mr Abbott's] policy on asylum seekers and any other policy that harms the spirit of partnership," The Jakarta Post reported Mr Natalegawa as saying.

One person who will not be at today's Labor Party meeting is Mike Kelly.

Although Mr Kelly says it is still "mathematically possible" for him to retain his NSW seat of Eden Monaro he has conceded the postal votes have been going against him.

The seat's new MP is the Liberal Party's Peter Hendy, a former Coalition staffer and head of the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry.

The result means Eden Monaro retains its claim to be a bellwether seat meaning that it goes with the government of the day.

You can read more about it here.

Just in case you're wondering the new Parliament will not be entirely made up of men (although it sure looks that way).

Here's Labor MP Michelle Rowland arriving. Ms Rowland would be among the happier Labor MPs given she was all but expected to lose her western Sydney seat of Greenway last weekend. But then along came Jaymes Diaz and Ms Rowland hung on.

Labor MP Michelle Rowland arrives at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Labor MP Michelle Rowland arrives at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

The boys are back in town.

Incoming LNP Member for Fisher, Mal Brough, arrives at Parliament House in Canberra, on Friday.

Incoming LNP Member for Fisher, Mal Brough, arrives at Parliament House in Canberra, on Friday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Despite the meetings on the Coalition's side there will be no announcement about the ministry today.

That is expected to happen on Sunday.

Liberal MP Greg Hunt returning from a morning run at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Liberal MP Greg Hunt returning from a morning run at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Labor is meeting to consider the issue of its next leader.

Bill Shorten is running, as we know. What Anthony Albanese is up to is anyone's guess. He was not giving anything away when he arrived at Parliament House a short time ago.

"One of the things that we have to do as a Labor Party is to actually run our internals," Mr Albanese said. "There's a reason for that word. It's called internal."

If Mr Albanese does not stand for the leadership then - obviously - the job is Mr Shorten's. This means the rank and file membership of the Labor Party will not get a vote. However if Mr Albanese does run then the party membership will also get to vote which means the result might not be known for some time.

Labor MP Anthony Albanese arrives at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Labor MP Anthony Albanese arrives at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

It's like the first day of school at Parliament House.

The National and Liberal Party MPs will meet separately at 11 am before coming together for a joint party room meeting at 11.30 am.

Then it's Labor's turn at midday.

Hai hai.

Christopher Pyne arrives at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday.

Christopher Pyne arrives at Parliament House in Canberra on Friday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Hello and welcome back to our live coverage of the day's events in federal politics.

Parliament House is alive with the sound of MPs once again. Liberal, National and Labor are milling around looking either jubilant or morose. Either way - it's back to business.

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  • Enough of these tired and inspiring men. Abbott, Albo, 'vote for me or I'll knife you' Shorten; they are no option for our future. None of these men would make me sign up for their party, none would make me follow them. Albo looks decent, but he cannot win in this country.
    Please ALP choose Tanya P, she can deliver as what Rudd was meant to be - fresh energy, intelligent and with a higher sense of humanity and decency for us all.

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    Mali
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    September 13, 2013, 2:47PM
  • Bill Shorten, the man who publicly backed the utterances of Julia Gillard without actually knowing what she said. Then he decided to throw his support behind Rudd. Just what we need, a leader of the Opposition without any opinion or moral compass....

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    TG
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    September 13, 2013, 2:34PM
  • I know you guys are in a hurry to get the latest news up, but your link to this article on your front page reads
    "Labor leadership contenders Bill Shorten and Anthony Albanese address the media on why their running for the job"

    Their?

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    Methuen
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    September 13, 2013, 2:31PM
    • Good on you Methuen - I was just about to write the same. Shocking - and from a senior journo too!

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      Stickler
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      September 13, 2013, 2:36PM
  • @ Dags,

    Indonesia has every right to act as the sovereign nation that it is, but so does Australia. It just seems that Indonesia's concept of cooperation is that Australia act accordingly to their wishes, with very rare reciprocation.

    @ Steve,

    I take your points, and I do agree. I want to see true cooperation and trade between Australia and Indonesia. That means give and take on both sides, not just one side giving all the time, and the other side taking.

    It also means that one country must occasionally take a moment to acknowledge that an issue that may not be in any way significant for them, is significant for the other. And yes, that goes for Australia, too.

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    blu
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    September 13, 2013, 2:24PM
    • It's pretty clear, from recent comments by Indonesian officials, that they don't have much respect, nor time for Abbott. They referred to his various hair-brained comments and schemes such as 'buy the boats', 'buy information' etc as 'Crazy'. They're also referring to him as 'Abbott' instead of 'Mr'. And we're only 6 days into an Abbott government....Way to go Tony.

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      Hair-brained
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      September 13, 2013, 2:33PM
  • Albo would make a great leader if he could get away from the undergraduate class warrior style that he usually produces. Mostly he looks and sounds like an angry bull ant.
    My best wishes to all those who are going to spend the next three years going on about Rupert winning the election.

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    Jackflash
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    September 13, 2013, 2:22PM
  • Looks like Tony's hit the ground sleeping. Seems all those emergencies and big ideas can wait a while. Perhaps the country wasn't in the parlous state Tony said, some several thousand times over the past four years.

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    meatatarian
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    September 13, 2013, 2:11PM
    • The treasury are still adding up the debt,only about a week to go.

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      justone
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      September 13, 2013, 2:26PM
    • Treasury? Really? I thought Hockey or Bishop would have given them the pink slip by now.

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      meatatarian
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      September 13, 2013, 2:30PM
    • Get used to some respectable adult calm from the PMs office - there is not now a PM behaving like a chook with his head chopped off - taking moronic selfies

      Commenter
      gc
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 2:31PM
    • Or maybe Prime Minister-elect Abbott is not the self-serving media tart like Rudd and Gillard.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 2:35PM
    • Yeh, those selfies really stopped progress in this country?! What we need is more of that welfare for the rich policy that you find calm soothing and sensible.

      Commenter
      meatatarian
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 2:42PM
  • Tony Abbott: We must, we must, we must, we must........ The Australian people expect it of us but don't worry. After we are sworn in we will produce a Labor "big black hole" and as usual we won't do anything. Well maybe cut the Public Service and increase Defence spending. The punters always go for that.

    Commenter
    Watcher465
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 2:05PM
  • Think this one over: “We must stop the carbon tax…because that is what the Australian people have elected us to do” (Tony Abbott).

    Tony Abbott driven by Rupert Murdoch is shedding the carbon tax/ETS, why? Shale oil.

    Murdoch has invested millions in Genie Oil and Gas (subsidiary of Genie Energy NYSE: GNE - Pioneering affordable technologies to produce oil from kerogen-based oil shales and other unconventional fuel resources.

    Abbott’s Direct Action Policy includes paying to any company an agreed amount if the company can show it has reduced carbon production. So if a shale oil company agrees to reduce the norm carbon footprint of producing oil from shale for say $5 per barrel then Abbott’s policy pays that company $5 per barrel.

    At the moment shale oil will derive from six basins in Australia stretching from coastal Queensland to Western Australia's far northwest contain recoverable shale resources of as much as 17.5 billion barrels of oil and 437 trillion cubic feet of gas -- all of which was previously inaccessible because it is contained in shale formations.

    Murdoch’s Genie companies technology may make that oil accessible: 17.5 billion X $5 per barrel? Now do you understand why Abbott’s policy is centred on dumping the carbon tax at any cost? Labor’s carbon tax/ETS makese shale oil recovery unprofitable. So regarding Labor what did dear Rupert splash all over the front pages of his newspaper:

    “Kick this mob out”?

    He followed up via twitter:

    “Why not switch from useless renewable investments to real job creating infrastructure projects. Many great possibilities waiting?”

    Are Liberal voters feeling like right Charlies now? God only knows they should be.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 2:03PM
    • Everyone wants to drive cars, as often as possible, even the seafarering desperadoes coming here on leaky boats are lured by the dream of being an inner-urban taxi-driver. With that kind of market demand, resistance is hopeless. An apocalyptic scenario is virtually guaranteed, in something like 50 years. By that time no-one will remember who Rudd and Abbott even were, maybe Lachlan Murdoch will still be hanging on, to a few big waterfront places.

      Commenter
      bg
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 2:23PM
  • I think the public were hoping for some peace and quiet for a while after the election. But no the whinging has all started up again.

    Labor lost the election right? Is no use blaming everybody but themselves. So get on with it.

    Bill Shorten has chosen to hold a press conference to announce he is running for the leaders position (does this remind you of anyone?) He wouldn't have done it hoping to put some pressure on Anthony Albanese not to run would he? Albanese did the right thing and kept quiet until the appropriate time - at the caucus meeting. That's the difference between them. Don' trust Shorten. Although I wouldn't have thought being a leader with both Shorten and Rudd breathing down your neck would be much fun.

    Commenter
    molly
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 1:59PM
    • Albanese would be a miracle worker if he could survive Shorten's undermining, but let's face it, no-one could survive Shorten's undermining, it's just not humanly or physically possible.

      Commenter
      bg
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 2:07PM
    • The public do not deserve peace and quite they voted against the most vital policy on the political agenda: climate change. They did so in full knowledge that the climate could one day destroy our way of life and this process has already started. Can you think of anything more incredibly credulous?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 2:36PM
  • Here we go again , more labor bickering & disunity , I wonder if another 7 oppositiobn front benches will again resign because they won't work with A or B... they are a joke .. but the taxpayers are the but of it..thank god they are in opposition..

    Commenter
    Strewth
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 1:58PM
    • What Labor bickering? Nobody is doing anything. I think you're just making things up.

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 2:07PM
  • Nothing will change in the ALP if Shorten becomes their leader. He's a proven backstabber and like Rudd, is all about himself. If Albanese becomes the leader, I'll consider switching back - provided he gets some results and pulls everyone back into line.

    Commenter
    Beamers74
    Location
    Brunswick
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 1:54PM
    • They are all back-stabbers, if there is a reward for them in the end.

      Commenter
      J.G.
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 2:17PM
  • "Labor is drawing a line under the rancour of previous years," Mr Shorten says.

    God.

    The conceit. The irony.

    Commenter
    Louis Cypher
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 1:49PM
    • The Delusion goes on -

      Commenter
      gc
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 2:41PM
  • In the days of the Empire the victors installed their puppet as the leader of the vanquished. I am surprised the Quadralition has not yet asserted their Imperial right to appoint a new chief to the defeated tribesmen...

    Commenter
    David D
    Location
    Ettalong Beach
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 1:45PM
    • I might regret giving them ideas - what if they foisted Cory Bernardi or Sophie on us?

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:52PM
  • I'm sorry, Mr Shorten,ur union bosses call the shots you will never reach out to tradespeople who are in the main small business owners & operators.

    Oh, and Bill, the people had a great big say in politics last Saturday.

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 1:42PM
    • "Union bosses, knives in the back, factions, faceless men". Liberals with no imagination.

      Commenter
      JB
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:47PM
    • About as much imagination as the people who ran the ALP's last election campaign. How'd that go again?

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 2:03PM
  • I am so utterly weary of hearing about stabbing in the back. Is this the new Liberal Party policy? Bore your opponents to death.

    Commenter
    JB
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 1:41PM
    • Liberal party policy
      1. Stop the boats
      2. End carbon tax
      ALP policy
      1. Stab each other in the back
      2. Get the leadership

      Commenter
      bg
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:48PM
    • Liberal Party Policy
      1) Slogans for bogans
      2) Get elected

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 2:05PM
    • I agree the ALP was not up against much, so they are doubly disappointing.

      Commenter
      bg
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 2:28PM
    • I must admit, in decades of following politics, I've never encountered an Opposition that literally didn't propose one, single proper policy during their time in Opposition, nor the election campaign. It's been nothing but one-liners, slogans and soundbites. Talk about a light-weight party! I mean, I know that Labor shot itself in the foot on a consistent basis and that the Coalition really didn't need to provide anything more....however, that's a good excuse for them. I don't think they have anything to give - particularly Abbott. As Keating observed a few years ago, words to the effect that Abbott has no policy ambitions whatsoever....is an intellectual lightweight...only in it for the sake of power.

      I look forward to Tony and Co revealing their grand visions for Australia's future. I can just see it now, heads together, 'S&*t, wadda we do next?"

      Commenter
      Time
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 2:44PM
  • “We must stop the carbon tax…because that is what the Australian people have elected us to do” (Tony Abbott).

    It is worth reflecting on the fact that there has been an orchestrated effort to ostracize the Greens. The Coalition placed the Greens last on their how to vote card. Two years ago the Murdoch owned Australian newspaper claimed the Greens “Should be destroyed at the ballot box.” In addition to claiming the Greens “Far left clowns” the Murdoch owned Telegraph claimed recently, “The Greens represent a view that is hostile to the nation's interests and to both major parties. A bipartisan solution is needed to fix a bipartisan problem.” Last year Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal claimed, “Climate-science equivalent of dentists practising cardiology.

    In part climate scientists rebuked the Journal’s claim: “Research shows that more than 97% of scientists actively publishing in the field agree that climate change is real and human caused. It would be an act of recklessness for any political leader to disregard the weight of evidence and ignore the enormous risks that climate change clearly poses.”

    Nevertheless it is abundantly clear that both Abbott and Murdoch are fighting for the same cause: destruction of the Greens as a political force. Indeed the Australian backed Bob Katter to win in Queensland; this is what Katter has to say about environmentalists: “The environmentalist movement … has turned into a cancer and has to be cut out.”

    Meanwhile the environment goes from one catastrophic episode to another on a daily basis, from rising and warming seas, ice and glacier melt, insect migration causing devastation, severe draught, species extinction, reef destruction, pest infestations, ever increasing Co2 levels, increasing methane levels, land degradation and crop losses; all of which come at a potential cost of trillions of dollars?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 1:37PM
    • The Greens along with "Save the Children" type organisations are anti-environment because of their overpopulation ideology. The Chinese government with its one-child policy is more pro environment than all other developing countries. The Greens should stop encouraging sovereign nations to overpopulate themselves and confine themselves to Green issues within Australia. They don't need a foreign policy, they can just get behind the government. The Greens have shot themselves in the head and senator Hanson Young is the bullet.

      Commenter
      bg
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:46PM
    • bg

      Did we have breakfast before reading the Green's policy on population?

      Here it is

      "The current level of population, population growth and the way we consume are outstripping environmental capacity. Australia must contribute to achieving a globally sustainable population and encourage and support other nations to do the same.

      Our environmental impact and ecological footprint is not determined by population numbers alone, but by a range of factors including per capita consumption patterns and levels, distribution of resources, agricultural practices for domestic consumption and export, levels and types of industrial activity, urban design and transport options.

      Australia's population policy should be determined by its commitment to:

      ecological sustainability;
      global and domestic social justice and equity, including women's rights;
      intergenerational equity;
      multiculturalism;
      international human rights obligations; and
      decent wages and conditions for all workers.

      The continuing rapid increase in the human population has the potential to adversely affect national or international outcomes in environmental sustainability, human health and welfare, and other areas. Current rates of resource use are not sustainable and are compounded by inequitable distribution of wealth and power."

      You can go back to sleep now?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 2:13PM
    • No, the Greens can walk both sides of the street you see. In practice they promote overpopulation in other places, they hold up a grail to such places and tell them, have ten kids, if one of them can make it here, you have hit the jackpot. I suggest you are the one who is mumbling in their sleep.

      Commenter
      bg
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 2:27PM
  • Mr Shorten says:
    "We will not seek to publicly disparage each other and our efforts."
    - Better get rid of Emerson and Conroy then and you can all go back to stabbing each other's backs in private.

    Commenter
    bg
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 1:33PM
  • I also love Bill Shorten swearing blind that the ALP's core policy is an ETS when not only did Julia Gillard go to the 2010 election vowing not to impose a carbon Tax (and then doing just that) and then having KRudd claiming to have "abolished the Carbon Tax" prior to the last election in a vain attempt to again trick the Australian public, when of course he took no action whatsoever to do so.

    So, if the ALP does decide to try and block the repeal of the Carbon tax, they are in fact again going against what they said prior to the election, regardless of how Mr Shorten tries to spin it.

    The really silly thing is that they don't understand just how much damage their "feel good" stance has not only damaged their party but also of course their blue collar core constituency.

    Commenter
    Alternate View
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 1:26PM
    • It was Liberal core policy in 2007 and they knifed a leader who actually thought his party should act in accordance with the policy they took to the election. It is incredibly precious to start talking about what happened in 2010.

      Commenter
      JB
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:37PM
    • You'll have to get over blaming Labor soon - they're not in power anymore.

      Commenter
      Jennifer
      Location
      Carlton
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:55PM
  • Where are all the women in Cabinet? This just reinforces all the concerns raised about Mr Abbott - there are a few hard working women who deserve a position such as the Deputy Whip Nola Marino. She is one of the few women to go to Afghanistan to visit the troops, is on numerous committees. and has consistently improved her majority in her electorate of Forrest. Why is she not on the list to be considered?

    Commenter
    Ptolemy
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 1:20PM
    • What list to be considered? Whose list is that? Oh, you mean the speculation from the media? For a minute there I thought Abbott had put out a list.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:29PM
    • Lewis. Your side did incredibly well out of press speculation. You can't complain now.

      Commenter
      JB
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:49PM
  • Kevin Rudd has e-mailed his comments to caucus to the press??!? Uh oh... that doesn't bode well for the future.

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 1:19PM
  • Love watching all the nasty people out there who can not write anything of substance.

    Labor was thrown out by the people. Get Over It!

    Commenter
    4Ken
    Location
    Auburn
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 1:17PM
    • Your comment very accurately describes the tenor of this blog for the last two or so years which I have been reading it for.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:26PM
    • I felt exactly the same way in 2007 and 2010 when the libs got all bitter and twisted and remained so till 5 days ago.

      Commenter
      meatatarian
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:31PM
    • Labor lost an election. Almost half of the voters preferred Labor over the Coalition. To say they were 'thrown out by the people' is the same sort of garbage that we have been hearing for three years from Abbott and his supporters. Haven't we had enough of the nonsense?

      Commenter
      JB
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:34PM
    • A 4% swing is all that is required to change government it seems. The Liberals better not get too comfortable.

      Commenter
      Jennifer
      Location
      Carlton
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:59PM
  • It was pretty funny to see Stephen Conroy, a well known faction leader, trying to talk Albo out of forcing a vote by the rank and file the other day.

    Well after 8 weeks of more ALP talking about itself, it will arrive at a leader which will, in most likelihood, not satisfy the factional warlords view of the world and will ultimately lead to more division and white anting.

    And in the background, ticking, is the KRudd time bomb...

    Commenter
    Alternate View
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 1:17PM
  • So here we have the ever marketing Tony Abbott telling us that he has our trust.

    Mate, we voted Labor out, and as a consequence we have to put up with your nonsense.

    Give it a break. You'll gain our trust when you start doing good stuff for our country.

    Commenter
    Jane
    Location
    Seymour
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 1:10PM
  • Shorten v Albo.

    A choice between "I'll have what she's having" and "my job is to fight Tories, or was that tyres?".

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 1:05PM
    • As a Liberal Lover, your comment is as irrelevant as ever.

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:17PM
    • Thanks Tom. Driving past The Lodge at lunchtime, it's kinda nice to know there's a respectable PM back in there.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:20PM
    • Pity his comment is SO apt, Tom.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:21PM
    • Alternative View, are you sure you're not Hacka?

      Commenter
      Jennifer
      Location
      Carlton
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 2:10PM
  • Ah we all return to the Pulse and lo and behold, nothing has changed, other than of course, the Government.

    The ALP/Green rusted ons are still carrying on about how great their parties, policies and people are, even though they have both respectively taken a drubbing of monumental proportions in the election.

    And of course, everything is still about LABOR. Poor deluded souls, they continue to shuffle those deck chairs, with the front half of Clive's Titanic now already underwater.

    A good government wrecked by division? Gimme as break!

    Commenter
    Alternate View
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 1:05PM
    • It’s a pity that the gullible Liberal supporters of Australia didn’t demonstrate the acumen and common sense displayed by the good folk of Indi. In less than a week of the Abbott government we have had Peta Credlin patted on the wrist and dismissed without penalty on drink driving charges after handing the magistrate a plea from the attorney generasl? We had the Brack’s affair, followed by Minchin after Brack’s job. Thereafter climate change sceptic Dennis Jenson requested the science portfolio? Basically a denier of the science of climate change wants to be in charge of science? Abbott telling the opposition not to block his repeal of the carbon tax because he has a mandate to scrap it. Therefore to hell with the mandate of the senate, his mandate has precedence?

      When will Liberal voters wake up to the fact that Abbott took them for ride by dumping the most important issue (climate change) in favour of fossil fuels to the detriment of a safer environment? Their gross stupidity in allowing Abbott to scrap our only defence of a threatening climate is beyond belief. They should have smelled a rat when Murdoch orchestrated his anti-climate change propaganda all those millions invested in shale oil is of no coincidence? It’s no coincidence that Abbott and Murdoch are bedfellows on climate change and both worked towards the total destruction of the Greens.

      Neither is it a coincidence that Murdoch collects ex leaders of countries and installs them on News Corp’s board such as an ex-Prime Minister of Spain and an ex-president of Columbia so don’t be surprised to see Abbott on the board of News Corp in the fullness of time. Even the Indonesians think Abbott’s boat people policy is ridiculous and no doubt another scam.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:17PM
    • Yep, irrelevant Liberal hacks giving more of the same negative comments as always. Nothing to add to the conversation because their own party does nothing.

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:19PM
    • Oh LOL. Welcome back Pen. I see you can't even respond to my post in under a 100 words! Well done.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:19PM
    • Pen.. have looked up the Methane cycle yet? I think you need to find out what the real Greenhouse gas is and how lowering CO2 is now too late. The frozen Tundra anit so frozen now.

      Commenter
      Brettie
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:22PM
  • When will labor just shut up,shorten/albo its Abbotts fault all our policys were great its Abbotts fault on and on ,sick to death of them already. If this is their great strategy ,just think another 3 years of this.............. Brow beating us into submission ,hey guys this is not a union rally,the lowest vote in a 100 years 20 seats lost ,as always underestimating the IQ of the majority. What will happen when the polls go down to 20% .

    Commenter
    justone
    Location
    oz
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 1:04PM
  • 2.57 pm - Tony Abbott as a revivalist preacher healing the sick? Wazza the adoring acolyte?

    Commenter
    David D
    Location
    Ettalong Beach
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 1:02PM
    • Speaking of revivalist preachers healing the sick - I noticed that Saint Kevvy couldn't help but say something. I wonder if anyone in that party room have fully accepted that he's part of the reason the ALP people are sick [at heart]...

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 2:01PM
  • What's this, real change.
    Abbott is wearing a grey tie.
    Gloomy times ahead.

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 1:00PM
  • Anybody want to contribute for the sympathy card and going away pressie for Sophie? Anybody? Hello.. come on, surely she has SOME friends..

    Commenter
    David D
    Location
    Ettalong Beach
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 12:58PM
    • not gone yet ,still 15000 votes to go so no premature hand clapping .

      Commenter
      justone
      Location
      oz
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:14PM
    • Justone - how could you! Accusing me of cheering! These are GENUINE crocodile tears!

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:32PM
  • Andrew Leigh, 2.44pm

    This reads like a truncated version of the Rudd concession\ "victory" speech.

    Confirms my suspicion that alternate universes truly exist

    Commenter
    Louis Cypher
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 12:53PM
    • Louie, Rudd's victory speech was genuine. He couldn't stop grinning at the completion of his revenge.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 12:59PM
  • I give it about 18 months before there's talk of Kev having another "stab" at it.

    Commenter
    Puzzled
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 12:43PM
    • i reckon you are giving it 12 months too long!

      Commenter
      kevin 457
      Location
      perth
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 12:57PM
  • Great simile Albo, ALP has vinyl floors, asbestos in the ceiling and fibro on the walls. Time to smarten up! Cleanup the current membership starting with Rudd who disgraced your party...

    Commenter
    Halfback
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 12:42PM
  • I agree, the real deal Labor leader wont be chosen for another 12 months. These guys would just be stand ins. Caretakers, until the real chosen one steps forward.

    The dust needs to settle on the Labor Party fallout and then we need to see how the dynamics of the Labor Party evolves and then see over time, who steps forward and up as leader.

    Choosing the real deal leader now is just a haphazard exercise of filling the void out of desperation.

    Commenter
    JB
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 12:37PM
  • Shorten is damaged goods and will never lead Labor to an election. He did a political hatchet job on two leaders and now he has to deal with self inflicted wounds from the fallout. The electorate will never forget what he's been up to.

    Albo is a lovely guy who means well, however just doesn't have the refinement to become a PM. Neither of these two will ever become PM, so Labor needs to think deeply beyond the short caretaker period where one of these stool pigeons will take over for a limited period, whilst they find a new leader.

    The real deal Labor leader would ideally be installed in about a year out from now, probably late 2014 or early 2015, allowing 12 months to see really who has the credentials to step up as leader and allowing 12 extra months run in and leadership familiarisation, for the lead up to the next electoral campaigning period in late 2015 early 2016.

    These guys are just stand in comedians until then. Standing jokers, awaiting the real punch line to be exclaimed by the new Labor King or Queen be whatever the case.

    They will need a good punch line though. Abbot sadly did it with Stop The Boats. Labor will need a punch line of similar resonance come next election. Liberals Work Choices did it in reverse for them. Self inflicted terminology gone wrong.

    Labor need to score a good 1,2,3 punch line that strikes an accord with the swinging voters and broader electorate for the next election cycle.

    Commenter
    Bondy
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 12:30PM
    • I disagree re Albo. Many also said that Tony Abbott did not have the "refinement" to be PM yet there he is. Prime Minister of Australia.

      Abo would make a good PM. He says what he means & does not run from a fight. He stands for traditional Labor values & is not distracted by political fads.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 12:40PM
    • Yes Lewis

      But what has he actually achieved?

      Not planned, plotted or procrastinated.

      Achieved

      Commenter
      Louis Cypher
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 12:56PM
    • Louis, he was the key to getting Gillard's legislation through the house. He was the one who mainly held the support from the crossbenchers together. Sure, not sexy headline stuff but critical from the government's house leader. A brilliant herder of cats if you like, which would be a critical skill for any leader.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:17PM
  • Congratulations Mr Albanese and Mr Shorten. A genuine contest between two outstanding and worthy candidates; Anthony A, always out there and prepared to take on all comers and,Bill S, perhaps a little more cerebral, but just as effective in communicating with the media and electorate. Caucus MUST pledge TOTAL LOYALTY to the victor. It's going to be a very tough call, may the better man of the best be victorious.

    Commenter
    Maurie
    Location
    St Kilda
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 12:29PM
    • Good luck with that one.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:09PM
  • 2.09 portraits, reminds me that Julia Gillard is yet to attend the unveiling of her bronze bust as PM in the Ballarat Gardens for all Australian PMs.
    Worth a look for all if in Ballarat. Quite impressive.
    Perhaps there could be a double unveiling with Rudd, don't think he's been there yet either, not sure.

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 12:26PM
  • Penny Wong is another capable politician - intelligent and articulate. I would back her any day for Leader.

    Commenter
    LynneZ
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 12:18PM
    • Go on then, walk the talk - lets see Labor vote for Wong and Pilberseck.

      If not, then Labor and its Luvvies will be proven hypocrits, whining and moping about Julia and the awful treatment, but instead choosing two white males (with faceless men behind them).

      Well?

      Well?

      Commenter
      Let's see it then Labor
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 12:24PM
    • She would have to be in the House of Reps to lead the party.

      Commenter
      Herself
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 12:30PM
    • Yes she's done well, presiding over all those highly accurate budgets in the last 6 years.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 12:49PM
    • Not to mention the self effacing loyalty she displayed to Gillard during the final knifing

      Commenter
      Louis Cypher
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:23PM
  • Well both Albanese and Shorten have had major roles in uniting their party for something like six years. Great qualifications for Leadership!

    Commenter
    Halfback
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 12:18PM
  • Surely it's gotta be Albo?

    Shorten is the more charismatic, but Albo is a brilliant performer in parliament.

    Albo is a unifier whereas Shorten still has the whiff of an executioner about him.

    The ALP has to reward and recognise the greatest fighter for Labor values.

    Tanya Plibersek should be Deputy Leader.

    This can be a great time for getting policy settings and party unity back on track.

    And all MPs need to understand that if they break ranks and go to the media (Kevin...hello...) they will be dis-endorsed and can take their chances as an Independent.

    Commenter
    Hans von Schlappenplanker
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 12:16PM
    • I disagree that Shorten's more charistmatic. He's very dull. Albo has much more charisma - it's a no brainer as far as I'm concerned.

      Commenter
      Herself
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 12:31PM
  • Can we get a second Rudd portrait after Gillard?

    Commenter
    Ash
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 12:16PM
    • For the wall of shame?

      Has to be mega billions of deficit dripping off those walls alone.

      What sad chapters of our history each one of those was.

      Commenter
      Let's see it then Labor
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 12:27PM
  • ALBO! ALBO! ALBO!

    says it all for the Party Members who want to choose their LEADER.

    Commenter
    geraldine
    Location
    queensland
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 12:07PM
  • May as well move the government to Sydney if Albanese gets the job I prefer Shorten and Plibersek as a team.As it is the backstabbing Bowen is leader now and he is also from Sydney.

    BTW they ALL have blood on their hands and Albanese was Rudd supporter helping to undermine the Gillard Govt for 3 years which has been the main reason the LNPs now in office by default as a very big majority of voters didnt want to have to vote for Abbott ever but had little choice considering the pathetic state of the ALP.

    Commenter
    Proud Victorian
    Location
    Sandringham
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 12:01PM
    • Another Liberal who is obsessed with the backstabbing meme. If the Liberals are screaming about the new process and who is on offer, they know they are already in trouble.

      Commenter
      JB
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 12:25PM
  • The ineluctable truth seems to me to be that of the two contenders Bill Shorten is the more electable, the more personable and the easier to listen to. Neither Phoebe Dinsmore nor Professor Henry Higgins will have cause to plug their ears against Bill’s voice the way they had to during the incumbency of one particular recent prime minister.

    Anyway, the pronunciation of Bill’s usual given name is not the subject of a dispute that’s mainly between Australasia and the USA on one side and the rest of the world on the other. My ears will never tire of hearing his name being mentioned umpteen times by Australia’s fourth estate. Whereas . . .

    Commenter
    Leigh Oats
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 12:01PM
    • Are you talking about Anthony?
      Actually the dispute is between the UK and the rest of the world. For some reason poms pronounce it Antony ... I've never heard anybody else do that.

      Commenter
      Herself
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 12:32PM
  • Trust you had a well deserved rest Stephanie. And now the circus continues.
    interesting times ahead as we witness what Abbott really has in store for us and Labor picks up the pieces and enters the new phase of being in opposition.
    Rudds legacy will be his recent reforms to the party leadership, but that's about all.

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 12:00PM
  • Perhaps the Labor Party should have alternating leaders and run a 6 month election campaign. Oh hang on....that was their strategy for the last 6 years and it didn't work.....New rules, nothing changes (except for Albo's comb over)

    Commenter
    Soloman
    Location
    High on the Hill
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 11:59AM
  • I have to feel sorry for the Quadralition; cant target Bowen - only interim leader - can*t target Shorten or Albanese - don*t know who will get the nod; watch out for wildly fired shots, desperate dodgy dancing, and possible foot injuries.

    Commenter
    David D
    Location
    Ettalong Beach
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 11:56AM
    • When you are in govt (and a competent Liberal one at that) you dont need to target the opposition leader, you get on with running the country. No wonder LABOR is so hopeless in govt!

      Commenter
      multi
      Location
      narrabeen
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:10PM
    • A competent Liberal government? Is there such a thing? I look around at all the State governments and it worries me.

      I think we'll be the judge of whether the government is competent or not. Please don't insult our intelligence by making that assessment for us. That's Rupert's job.

      Commenter
      Jennifer
      Location
      Carlton
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 2:15PM
    • Jennifer - no ; Rupert has decided that tey are adults and can do self assessments of their abilities.look forward to 3 years of F.I.G.J.A.M. from the Quadralition.

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 2:27PM
  • "1:52pm: Mr Bowen has just finished his press conference.

    Expect to hear from Mrs Shorten and Albanese shortly."

    Gold!

    I look forward to hearing from Mrs Shorten, though I.m sure he's been called worse!

    Commenter
    Peter
    Location
    Kew
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 11:56AM
  • "1:52pm: Mr Bowen has just finished his press conference.

    Expect to hear from Mrs Shorten and Albanese shortly."

    Gold!

    Commenter
    Peter
    Location
    Kew
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 11:55AM
  • No, Chris Bowen, Kevin Rudd is NOT "welcome to stay the member for Griffith for as long as he chooses". KRudd doesn't get to choose - the constituents of Griffith have that honour.

    Commenter
    rooboy
    Location
    Dulwich
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 11:53AM
  • Bowen will do his best to hold the govt to account... Awesome! ..Tony set the record rubbishing question time and I reckon labor can do one better. labor must do what it can to show liberals that if you play with fire you can get burnt

    Commenter
    harry
    Location
    melbourne
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 11:41AM
    • And here I thought that Labor was all about a new positive way... The memo clearly did not reach the rusted on.

      Commenter
      Art
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:46AM
    • ahahahahah....Labor can do that???....hahahahahh.
      Maybe you should get little ruddy back with his set of knives.

      Commenter
      HG
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:47AM
    • @art clearly the misguided who believe they are born to rule have a set of rules for themselves

      Commenter
      harry
      Location
      melbourne
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 12:04PM
    • @harry: I think that if you look back through hansard over the last couple of years, Labor takes the prize money when it comes to personal attacks and insults. Now that we look set to get another former Union leader as Labor leader, I expect the brawling nature of those people to result in the level of discourse being dragged down even further.

      Commenter
      Art
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 12:25PM
  • Funny how, even when their team is in government, Liberal supporters still bitch and whinge about Labor.

    News Flash: You won the election. Your dopey mess of a leader used fear and lies after years of whinging to get through. How about you start contributing rather than armchair complaining from the sidelines?

    Letting members vote for the leader is a fantastic way to actually form some element of primary politics and allow discussion across both merit and peoples choice.

    Commenter
    James P
    Location
    Brisbane
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 11:38AM
    • Funny how Labor supporters always bitch about Liberal supporters.
      So what's you point??

      Commenter
      HG
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:48AM
    • Thaks for the news flash. Unfortunately, it appears that you ALP supporters have learnt nothing from that news, as the invective still continues against the Coalition (as you yourself have shown - "dopey mess" and "fear and lies").

      My favourite piece of hyperbole was from A Country Gal - she described the incoming government as a "most divisive and repressive regime". Clearly she hasn't no idea about what a repressive regime really looks like.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:53AM
    • Well said! The Libs seem more fascinated with the internal machinations of Labor than on running the country.

      Commenter
      pjmarter
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:59AM
    • This is what we call 'projection'.

      Commenter
      Ash
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 12:09PM
    • They s bitching and whinging because they'e already afraid. They know that Tony only won because of Rudd/Gillard's infighting - and that the voters hated Abbott almost as much. They're bitching because SHorten's a massive threat to them and they have to start campaiging for the next election already.
      Hey you've still got Joe! Dont SWEAT it!

      Commenter
      Realist
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 12:20PM
  • Oh dear, I had hoped that this Federal Politics Live rubbish would be abandoned after the election. Yet another reason I have cancelled my subscription to Fairfax. And the writer has a soft sport for Bronwyn Bishop !! Says it all.

    Commenter
    oztraveller
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 11:37AM
    • Oztraveller - gotta tell you mate; as a political tragic this beats Fox Sports Live hands down; More Biff, More Bloodletting, Wild Grand Final every three years - Gold! Gold! Gold!

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:42AM
  • Great. Now we have a negotiated Coalition government of FOUR minor partieswho cannot govern in their own right (Lib, Nat, LNP, Country Liberals). I thought that after the last parliament this was considered evil. Welcome to the Quadralition!

    Commenter
    David D
    Location
    Ettalong Beach
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 11:31AM
    • Hey, don't remind them of that.
      Yet in Abbotts victory speech not a coalition member to be seen or heard, just the daughters in symbolic white and Maggie.
      And of course the gate crasher with his lolly wrapper band.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:50AM
  • There seems to have been a crucial bit of news that hasn't been reported here. The part where Rudd stood up in the party meeting & officially resigned as leader. We are left to presume that must have happened.

    Commenter
    Herself
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 11:31AM
  • Always fascinated by the Tory obsession with Labour Party, Is it because their side of politics is so boring and predictable (and in the end, all the decisions are made by the big money that controls their party).

    Commenter
    Harvey
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 11:27AM
    • I'm always fascinated by the obession of the ALP and its supporters with the word "Tory" to describe the Coalition. As I've said previously to other ill-informed posters, there are no Tories in Australia. They are in Britain and Canada.

      Maybe the ALP has an underlying desire to be "boring and predictable" as opposed to being vindictive, vengeful and totally unpredictable (like their defeated former leader).

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:43AM
    • There's also no Labour party in Australia. It's Labor.

      Commenter
      Herself
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:56AM
  • The Pulse @ 1:16pm

    A glaring lack of women in the cabinet? Kelly O'Dyer come on down.

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 11:23AM
    • Kelly O'Dwyer....given the safe seat of Higgins by Costello as a present for good service. The only thing we've heard from her is that the PM should have to be born in Australia (when JG was PM), not realising Tony was unfortunately born a Pom.

      Commenter
      L
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:31AM
    • Higgins is my electorate =)

      Commenter
      Sarah of Carnegie
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:34AM
    • @ L (wonder what that stands for?) K O'Dyer won that seat in a by-election in 2009. Hello? We just had an election last Saturday.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:59AM
    • Sarah, my utmost and humble commiserations to you.
      Always look on the bright side of life, things can only get better.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 12:03PM
  • Labor could pick a 3 legged dog and still beat this incompetent LIEbral government.

    Commenter
    Archer
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 11:17AM
    • Archer

      Not the sharpest arrow in the quiver, are you.

      Commenter
      Louis Cypher
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:23AM
    • Did they only have a two-legged dog last time then?

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:25AM
    • Like they did last Saturday?

      Commenter
      BBA
      Location
      Banks
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:29AM
    • Louis, could you get someone to decrypt your comment?

      Commenter
      Tony's Pants On Fire
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:29AM
    • Better to die on your feet than live on your alba-kneesee!

      Commenter
      marky
      Location
      beach
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:42AM
  • Indonesian buys 1m ha for cattle? You must be joking!
    If we had a spare million ha of useful land for raising cattle (which we don't), don't you think someone would have realised by now?
    The simple fact that his very large nation has a very small amount (relatively) of worthwhile, arable land. Not one more square metre should be sold to any foreign nationals or corporate interests.
    Finally, since Indonesia is extremely unlikely to have the cash to pay for such a purchase, you can bet we'd be leant on to give it away as "foreign aid".

    Commenter
    JohnH
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 11:10AM
    • The Australian reporting "Tony Burke has urged abbott to keep rudd govt border protection policy and try nothing new as it will highly offend indonesia.. i guess being offended only works 1 way"

      Commenter
      Boats
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:20AM
    • Just because we send aid to Indonesia, it does not mean that they are a poor nation.
      On the contrary Indonesia is quite a wealthy nation and they do have the cash to spend.
      The many many billions of dollars they spend in the purchase of military equipment is proof of that.

      Commenter
      HG
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:28AM
  • The aggressive Liberal commentary continues.

    Why would anyone think Liberal opinions are worth anything, anything at all, in this discussion over the Labor leadership?

    After all, it's not about them. It's about the leadership of the party they hate.

    Commenter
    Jennifer
    Location
    Carlton
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 11:06AM
    • It is all about furthering the misinformation and distracting from the impending disaster of the Abbott Government.

      Commenter
      JB
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:17AM
    • Hey! You can't comment about the comments of people that support the party you hate. And no comments about running the country... because thats not even about you.

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Under new management + Open 4 Bus
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:28AM
    • Cwitty, have you jumped the shark? Comment what you like if the moderators are in a good mood. The real question is whether it is worth a brass razoo. And comments by Coalition minions about Labor leadership are worth nothing because they are all based on spite with the objective of damaging Labor.

      Like the erstwhile Leader of the Opposition - if you want to oppose for your own political ends that is fine - but don't insult the people who can think for themselves by dressing up your actions in specious claims of good faith.

      Commenter
      JB
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:37AM
    • JB

      So with your logic, only you can post

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 12:12PM
  • I agree, Shorten is mostly about himself and has been disingenuous with a lot of his commentary in the media. He's been positioning himself all along as the next ALP leader.... even when Gillard was still in.

    Still, Albo' as leader? no thanks. zero personality with the people.

    Commenter
    TGIF
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 11:06AM
    • I would like a potential leader of the country to be able to pronounce 'nuclear', 'infrastructure' and most of all "Australia' and unfortunately poor old Albo cannot pronounce any of these words.

      Shorten - bless me! Anothe unionist getting fat in his Parliamentary retirement home. No.

      Actually it doesn't matter. Labor are going to be a fantastic opposition for 9 years or so.....

      Commenter
      BBA
      Location
      Banks
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:17AM
    • TGIF, and which branch of the Liberal Party do you belong to?

      Why aren't you guys celebrating Tony getting the big prize as a reward for 3 years of dummy spitting, lying to the Australian public (budget emergency anyone) talking down this country and otherwise being obstructionist solely to further his political interests.

      Commenter
      JB
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:19AM
    • At least he fronts up to Q&A. How often has your leader got the guts to do that?

      Commenter
      Jennifer
      Location
      Carlton
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 12:01PM
    • Jennifer - obviously he didn't need t and who's to say Q&A is the be all!!. Maybe he doesn't need to see himself splashed across the media 24/7. Just a thought...

      Commenter
      BBA
      Location
      Banks
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 12:47PM
    • BBA, Abbott is rarely put under any scrutiny. Now that he is our leader, he needs to be scrutinised. Q&A is the toughest environment for any politician, either left or right. Abbott just can't handle answering the tough questions. He's a wimp.

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 2:03PM
  • 12.52pm Fiona Scott? how did she beat the refugee traffic jam to get there on time?

    Commenter
    David D
    Location
    Ettalong Beach
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 11:00AM
    • Didn't you hear? Tony has stopped the boats!

      Commenter
      Rich
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:14AM
    • Hahaha, yes, precisely David. As Paul Keating said a couple of years ago in relation to the mob we now have in charge - 'God help us. God help us."

      Commenter
      Jilly
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:15AM
    • That's easy - the current crop of refugees are all heading to western Sydney, not away from it. So she's working against the traffic, not caught up in it. The same will apply when the long column of fired public servants starts wending it's way out of Canberra for parts unknown.

      Commenter
      Mike F
      Location
      Cheltenham, NSW
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 12:01PM
    • She took the new boat free express lane.

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 12:03PM
  • "The process of determining the new leader will take about a month."

    Well done on that reform KRudd. I can see how a month of leadership tension shows a much more united and modern Labor Party...

    Commenter
    Josh
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 10:59AM
    • Or a month of civil debate about policy and direction of the Labor party involving its grass roots membership. What is wrong with that?

      Commenter
      JB
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:21AM
    • @JB: Because that works so well to show unity in the American primaries system doesn't it? Not to mention the fact that the ALP now has a temporary leader that no one wants (clearly, because he hasn't nominated for leader) for the first month of the new government being in power. Dumb.

      Commenter
      Josh
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:51AM
    • I for one am pleased to see them refusing to pander to the obsession with the 24 hr news cycle.

      Commenter
      Herself
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:59AM
  • Labor really is run by a bunch of snapperheads, my god!!

    Bill Shortbrain comes straight out and says "Labor can win the next election"... Yes Bill and Peppa Pig could also become an Olympian, anything is possible. But what do you base your theory on Bill ??

    As his predecessor states all the time "fair suck of the sauce bottle mate" . Worry about getting the crux of your party right and putting things with substance on the bloody table before you talk garbage about winning an election 4 days after you just lost one.

    What hope does Labor have. They just dont get anything right, and seemingly never will.

    Commenter
    pricey
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 10:57AM
    • Errr, theoretically it is possible for any party to win the next election. If it wasn't theoretically possible, then we'd be living under a dictatorship. Shortbread is not incorrect in saying what he said.

      Commenter
      meatatarian
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:04AM
    • Elections are like football games - the scoreboard starts at 0-0

      Commenter
      pauly
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:22AM
    • It was fair"shake" of the saucebottle - not "suck". And that was just the first innacurate thing you posted - I dont have enough characters remaining to refute them all - so I'll undermine your rant with one number: 3.3%.
      Sorry - thats all the swing you got. It can be re-gained in your sleep. Certainly in 1 term. Abbott almost did it in 2010. Do you even know your own party history?

      Commenter
      Mr Inaccurate
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:32AM
  • Rudd looks on as a new leader is elected and thinks...hmmm now where did I put that knife? Oh yes...hold still Julia, Let me just remove that pain in your back you have been complaining about...ahh there it is...oh Albo? Say hello to my little friend!

    Commenter
    Knifed
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 10:54AM
    • I think most of Australia is sick to death of this knife nonsense. Give it a rest please - or could the moderator please bury the manufactured phrase?

      Instead of going on about knife, knife, knife the policies of the incoming Government need to be scrutinised.

      Commenter
      JB
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:01AM
    • Betting markets have opened up on the likliehood of Rudd one day returning to the ALP leadership.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:11AM
    • oh my, what a ruddy mess we have.
      Must have shaken that bottle a bit too much.

      Commenter
      HG
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:35AM
    • @ JB - And Australia is probably more sick of continually hearing the lame references to "Rupert", "RM", "Murdoch", etc. How about your people stop using that excuse for losing the election, and then we'll stop reminding you of "knifing" as one of the real reasons you lost the election.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:21PM
  • Oh here we go---"On with the show ,this is it"Wasnt that the one that Killed Michael?This is it"?Maybe the legacy will linger over Labors lamentable demise.

    Commenter
    Kane
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 10:54AM
  • I don't think I'm the only citizen in Australia who thinks that anyone representing a major party should be the best the party can offer. Shorten isn't! There are many reasons for my thinking/saying this and perhaps people are tired of hearing other people being booted out, but don't we ALL know the facts since 2010.
    How can a man begin to make reparation to this country for his errors. His errors have cost much in other peoples lives and why because HE was an opportunist and a cunning calculator.

    Previously, having recruited at high executive levels, character was once important, qualifications in a particular discipline basic, then came experience,
    talent, and enthusiasm or passion. Underpinning all these were the leadership abilities to bring people along.
    If Labor chooses Shorten, then it further sullies and stains the future of a party many good people still believe in.

    Commenter
    taylor of Sydney
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 10:53AM
    • "it further sullies and stains the future of a party many good people still believe in."

      Are you one of those people? Or did you put your faith in the most dishonourable Opposition leader of my lifetime, Tony Abbott?

      Abbott might be a nice guy one on one when someone is being nice to him, but he cannot cope with the hard decisions and he cannot deal well with being beaten. He is not suited to being Prime Minister of this country and when he is faced with an unexpected and unwelcome event he is going to have real trouble coping. If you want proof, just look at what happened when a newsman asked him about his comment on the death of a soldier in Afghanistan. Yes, it was an unfair and arguably offensive question. But our political leaders need to have the presence of mind to cope with such questions, not to move their mouths noiselessly stuck for a response, whether verbal or physical.

      Commenter
      JB
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:28AM
  • @art....dont think it matters that shortens mum in law is the GG. If abbott goes to her to ask for a DD she just does it same as if it was rudd asking. If she resists because of her relationship to shorten (dont even know if she can) then she will look foolish....I think the real issue is if tony abbott will be prepared to take that chance. If he miscalculated his "mandate" to scrap the "carbon tax" his majority in the lower house could be reduced and the senate balance swing further towards labor/greens in another ballot if the public doesnt want the emission scheme scrapped....He wont do it. He'll be crapping himself that the public voted him in because they were sick of rudd not labors policies

    Commenter
    shannas31
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 10:42AM
    • Exactly. Except that if Abbott did go to her she would actually pass the decision on to the Administrator (the most senior State Governor) ably advised by her constitutional advisers. This would avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest. Otherwise, the relationship is irrelevant.

      Commenter
      JB
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:57AM
  • Indonesia gets more money for a refugee than a cow.

    They really want to buy 1 million acres of Australia they can use the land to bread refugees and save on shipping costs!

    Stop the boats or we will stop the aid. Very simple.

    Commenter
    4Ken
    Location
    Auburn
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 10:36AM
    • @4Ken, can you at least learn how to spell? It's "breed", not "bread". Stop showing everyone what a stupid lot you rusted-ons are.

      Commenter
      The Other Guy
      Location
      Geelong
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:09AM
    • You should stop now. You humanist side is showing. Indonesia has less than 25% of the land mass that Australia has and over 200+ml people. Refugees don't come from Indonesia they come from Iraq, Iran, Sri Lanka. They are coming with the intention of settling in Australia. So Indonesia is just the last port before their intended destination. In a sense - it's not Indonesia's problem.
      BTW Abbott is already intending to cut into the foreign aid budget.

      Commenter
      AndyWoodman
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:19AM
  • one more: Albanese....
    but wait there are more..............Hello---Kevin-- are you coming yet ?

    Commenter
    Bruno
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 10:35AM
  • Can the Labor caucus vote today to change the new rules that Rudd devised or does that need to be approved by the national executive?

    Commenter
    Nulla
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 10:32AM
    • Go ask a Liberal minion. They are usually the great experts on the Labor Party.

      Commenter
      JB
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:51AM
    • Well no one in the ALP knows whats going on. They still think they won the election. They don't know how to elect a new leader.

      So yes maybe I should ask the competent and stable Liberals.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:57AM
    • Nulla, the Liberals had four leaders in two years between 2007 and 2009. Hardly stable!

      The Liberals were united because relentless dishonesty and negativity by the opposition took its toll on the Government. I don't think they will stay united once they have to deal with all the problems thrown up to them in Government. Especially with the deep policy divisions that were papered over by the prospect of victory. Policy divisions like those between the economic liberals such as Cormann and conservatives like Abbott and social conservatives like Abbott and social liberals like Turnbull. The fun has just begun.

      Commenter
      JB
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:55AM
  • Two candidates, one position, been there , done that. the loser must resign.

    Commenter
    Long Memory
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 10:26AM
    • But Turnbull is still there.

      Commenter
      JB
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:41AM
    • In that case, why are Turnbull and Hockey still around? Didn't Abbott have an unsuccessful tilt, prior to successful one?

      Commenter
      meatatarian
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:43AM
  • Picture at 12:22PM, drab, boring clothing, what is it with these people, were Paul Keating and Andrew Peacock the last well dressed politicians? (apart from some of the women).

    Commenter
    Norm
    Location
    Maroubra
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 10:25AM
  • "Kate Lundy just wandered into the Coalition party room ..."
    Hmmm. Old habits dying hard? Didn't check the election result? Thinking of switching sides?

    Commenter
    Peter
    Location
    Kew
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 10:21AM
  • Totally agree with Tony Abbott.
    I also hope the new four party coalition members savor the moment briefly...very briefly

    Commenter
    David D
    Location
    Ettalong Beach
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 10:21AM
  • Quite frankly, every Labor and Green lower house rep would be a far better PM than any LNP member, especially Abbott.

    Commenter
    meatatarian
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 10:19AM
    • That'll get em going Meat.
      I agree. It's going to be the most divisive and repressive regime in my opinion.
      I wish it was a bad dream, but it's not.
      Least Mirabella looks out of the picture.
      Abbott will be lucky to see his term out.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:28AM
    • Would you like some sour cream with those grapes?

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:45AM
    • And you have evidence to back this up? Congrats for taking the delusional ALP backers to a new level.....

      Commenter
      MTK
      Location
      Port Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:47AM
    • MTK, I think the evidence may be in the same vault that Abbott found evidence for his 'budget emergency'.

      Commenter
      JB
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:52AM
    • MTK, Rupert wanted Abbott in. That's evidence enough to know that he and the Libs are not in the national interest. They are a ball and chain party of empty rhetoric, stupid policies and no forward thinking vision.

      Commenter
      meatatarian
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:54AM
    • And Rupert wanted KRudd in 2007, so what's your point? Game. Set. Match.

      Commenter
      MTK
      Location
      Port Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:01AM
    • I'm not even sure there's a single real, actual human being in the LNP cabinet. They're all lizards from the centre of the Earth.

      Seriously, it's messages like yours that set the Australian people against Labor. You're even more elitist than what you claim the Liberals to be. Try communicating with a modicum of respect and maybe you can get your party back on the road.

      Commenter
      Ash
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:08AM
    • How fortunate that the majority of Australians actually observed the last two terms of government and concluded that the end of Labor was in all of our interests. Now, unfortunately, we will have to listen to the endless bleating of the minority as they scurry to rewrite history.

      Commenter
      Baz471
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:12AM
    • MTK, no he didn't. Make no mistake that RMs preferred party always is the Libs. You're foolish if you think that the faux support was genuine, and not in the interest of saving face, during a time when Labor were oncourse to victory no matter what RM wanted.

      Commenter
      meatatarian
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:17AM
    • Wow, an insightful comment, can't wait for the next instalment.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 12:02PM
  • There is precedent for a party leader to be in the senate, John Gorton was in fact Liberal leader, Prime Minister and a Senator awaiting his election into a lower house seat. So to say that Penny Wong cannot be party leader is untrue! She can direct the members of the lower house in what is to be done in the interim until a new leader has been elected!

    Commenter
    the lion
    Location
    Darwin
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 10:18AM
  • Labor needs to select people that we do not know for the positions of Leader and Deputy leader if they want to wash away the foul taste of the last two terms of their government.

    Commenter
    Baz471
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 10:14AM
    • That's right, just because you don't know them they'll be great. It's in the Australian Liars Party genes, to lie, to be wasteful, to spend other peoples' money, to borrow without any thought of repayment. Who-ever they choose, it'll just be more of the same.

      Commenter
      The Other Guy
      Location
      Geelong
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:39AM
    • If we want to wash away the foul taste of the last two terms of Government, we need to get rid of the relentlessly negative and dishonest political leader and his band of cronies who will now occupy the Government benches. Sadly we may have to wait for up to three years before that happens.

      Commenter
      JB
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:44AM
  • So if Parliament were to resume week after next Chris Bowen would be acting, temporary, seat warming Opposition spokerperson with no shadow ministry in place. Good look that!

    Commenter
    Isays
    Location
    Launceston
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 10:06AM
    • I agree. Yet another of Rudd's 'reforms' shows itself half-baked.

      Fortunately for Labor, this will have been forgotten by election-time and they will work out something stronger in future.

      Commenter
      Simon
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:13AM
    • I wasn't a great fan of that reform, but I think it may well be worth trying. The problem with the way the political system is reported is that any attempt at innovation that does not succeed is pilloried by a sensationalist press. This should be given a go.

      A public competition, if conducted civilly may, do a great deal to enable Labor to put its personality-based disputes behind it. Bill Shorten was very gracious in his comments on Albanese's suitability to be the Opposition leader. I expect Albanese would be the same.

      Commenter
      JB
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:48AM
  • Indonesia Government - its idea of a spirit of cooperation is that we do whatever they tell us. They refuse to endorse any idea that might prevent asylum seekers leaving Indonesia in boats, and they expect Australia to let them buy a million hectares of land?

    Rent the land to them only, and at a premium price. Australians are concerned enough about foreign ownership.

    Commenter
    blu
    Location
    Geelong
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 10:04AM
    • blu
      As opposed to Abbott's brand of co-operation where Indonesia only does what we tell them to do.
      let's not talk to them at all and have a war instead. That would satisfy everyone wouldn't it.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:21AM
    • The old Crown Lease 99 year system works well for many properties up there. Lethe Indos lease.

      Commenter
      coolabine
      Location
      Adelaide
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:31AM
    • @ Steve,

      I'm not focusing on any one particular Party. I've studied Australian/Indonesian relations and, with the exception of our support for East Timorese independence, our attitude towards Indonesia has nearly always been about appeasement.

      Be careful with what you say, careful with what you do, in case they take offence.

      Yes, trade with Indonesia is important to Australia, but it's more degrees of wrong than I can count that we are always expected to capitulate to them.

      I want to see leadership which, while acknowledging that Indonesia is an important trade partner, will also stop allowing other nations like Indonesia to insist that we always push our own interests aside in favour of theirs.

      Commenter
      blu
      Location
      Geelong
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:39AM
    • Steve. Good idea.

      Lets get the napalm out like we did in Vietnam.

      The cows would die humanly, not to mention Save lots of time cooking the cows they want to bread here!

      Commenter
      4Ken
      Location
      Auburn
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:43AM
    • Indonesia is a sovereign country. The same people who are expressing colonialist attitudes to them to get them to bend to our will, yet at the same time they are standing on our own sovereignty to oppose the sale of pastoral land to them.

      Commenter
      JB
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:50AM
    • @blu, imagine Indonesia acting like an independent, proud country? Would you expect Australia to roll over to Indonesia if the shoe was on the other foot?

      Commenter
      Dags
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:52AM
    • blu
      I worked in Indonesia for years.
      Two mistakes Australians make about Indonesia are
      1) Indonesians don't think too much about Australia because they have bigger problems internally.
      2) Australians think we are trying to appease them. When we are just trying to get their attention.
      There are 10 times as many Indonesians as there are Australians. That means problems like boat people are a tenth of the size we think they are and problems like food security are ten times bigger.
      Why don't we trade food security for border security?
      It would be better than trying to dictate to them or appease them.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:12AM
  • Bill Shorten? Not only is his track record Machiavellian, he is one of the most unappealing people in Australian politics.

    This is the best the Labor Party can do? God help us! Find some new people, fast! In the meantime how about Tanya Plibersek? Oh yes, she's a woman!

    The boys (and girls) at the top need 'advisers' who can tell them some basic truths about the real world out here; Shorten is part of the problem, not the solution.

    Sadly the leadership issue and the rest of the top-dog scrum is just more of the same. Adios Labor. Too bad.

    Commenter
    markie
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 10:02AM
  • Shorten will make a great opposition leader but Albo will make a great Labor PM so that is the current Labor quandary. Shorten is more in league with Tony Abbott's political style ie they both savour the 'tunnell vision views". The problem with voters is that they have short term memories.

    Commenter
    Labor in Quandary
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 10:02AM
  • Anthony Albanese overdoes the "attack dog" role and if he becomes leader of the Opposition will probably need to be a bit less confrontational, That said he has been very straightforward in the Rudd-Gillard saga which is in marked contrast to many including Shorten (particularly), Wong and Pilbersek and deserves to be elected leader.

    Commenter
    Ian
    Location
    Fremantle
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 10:01AM
    • Huh?

      a) Plibersek consistently voted for Gillard.

      b) Loyalty to Rudd is nice, and justifiable to an extent, but how much of that support (particularly post 2010 election) also reflected endorsement of Rudd's (frankly incompetent) leadership style.

      Appointing Rudd 2.0 isn't going to help Labor in the long run.

      Commenter
      Simon
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:16AM
    • Albo is a champ!

      And Labor needs an attack dog to counter the attack dog that the Liberals have put in charge of the country.

      Commenter
      Jennifer
      Location
      Carlton
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:10AM
  • Please do not provide aid money to a country that has enough money to want to buy our farmland.

    It would amount to betrayal of the Australian Taxpayer.

    Commenter
    JacSA
    Location
    Kangaroo Ground
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 9:58AM
  • I thought the plan was to "burn off" Shorten? How is the ALP expected to recover with Shorten in the ranks? Is Albanese knife-proof?

    Commenter
    bg
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 9:55AM
  • Albo all about "getting the Tories " never mind governing for the people whilst in power . And Shorten's Machiavellian behaviour destroyed the labor party . What a choice .

    Commenter
    Baz
    Location
    LA
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 9:53AM
  • It is so nice to see Australian democracy working so well.

    The people have removed a bad government

    The people demand changes to bad policy.

    The people will now respect the highest office of the land again.

    All good

    Isn't is nice to be an Australian?

    Commenter
    4Ken
    Location
    Auburn
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 9:50AM
    • In three years it will be...see how pointless these idiotic partisan comments are?

      Commenter
      Will
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:47PM
  • The LNP of QLD is a strange beast is it not? When their MP's come to Canberra some go to the Nationals party room & others go to the Liberals party room. Then when they go back they continue the pretense that they are really the one united LNP??!?

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 9:50AM
    • I think the creation of the LNP was to stop the turf wars between the Liberals and Nationals in Queensland. Three way contests between Nats, Libs and Labor were damaging to their chances of electoral success. They all sit together in the Coalition party room plus I think the LNP has its own smaller party room meetings occasionally.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:16AM
  • Could Indonesia be buying all that land up north to plant a forest? To then chop down and make into boats? That we then buy back? We then become the world's biggest exporter of wooden fishing boats? Then the Indonesians buy them back again ('cos we want to get rid of them), but we then buy them back so they can't use them. Meanwhile, they're making more up north. Repeat. Discuss.

    Commenter
    Floong
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 9:45AM
    • New policy statement from the Liberals. Stop the Boats. Buy the boats. We got money.

      Commenter
      Ian of Victor
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:53AM
    • If the boats were made in Australia then they wouldn't sink and people wouldn't die!

      Good for our economy as it would provide jobs and growth or is it growth and jobs.

      Your logic is as bad as the logic of Australia giving Indonesia Aid money when they can afford to buy 1 Million acres of Australia and breed cattle.

      When most Australians can not afford it that have been doing it for generations!

      Commenter
      4Ken
      Location
      Auburn
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:57AM
    • shorten is already bad blood, in fact, he was involved in creating the last 2 waves of disunity, so will be easier for PUP to win against shorten. but albo or kelvin Thompson would g back ALP credibility.

      Commenter
      Brian
      Location
      CHISHOLM
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:05AM
    • NO, NO,. NO and NO in that order LOL

      Commenter
      Nicht
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:11AM
    • Interesting concept Floong.
      But by the time the trees are big enough we will be flooded with more than a few thousand.
      We really may have a problem by then as Climate Change refugees hit the high seas in their millions.
      40M+refugees already and growing and we worry over a few thousand.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:56AM
  • Photo @ 11:42 The new LNP member for Capricornis.

    Didn't Rudd brag thare was no loss of QLD seats? Is the ALP member for Petrie also in town?

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 9:45AM
  • C'mon elbows.Loyalty should be rewarded not conniving.

    Commenter
    notbothered
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 9:42AM
  • Ummm. Labor are no longer in government, and many protests from the Liberals were all about the fact that Liberals shouldn't have to account for anything when they weren't in government.

    Can we please have a focus on the Liberal Party and what they are up to? I mean, seriously, are they going to be a do-nothing scorched earth government or are they actually going to do something useful?

    Commenter
    Tom
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 9:36AM
    • Tom

      We are only a few days in and counting still continues in a number of seats. Take a Bex and a good lie down

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:52AM
    • Abbott isn't even going to announce his ministry until Sunday. The reporters can't make up news that isn't there.

      Commenter
      Simon
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:58AM
    • The Liberal and National Parties are in the process of providing stable and competent government. Unfortunately the Labor circus continues (or should it be a slow-motion car crash?)

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:59AM
    • Tom,
      They are not doing nothing, it looks like Tony may recall Parliment mext week to discuss some urgent legislation.
      Wouldn't that be embarrassing for the ALP. What no leader for at least 30 days, who will speak for them? Will it be Rudd?, Shorten?, Alanese?, or some other seat warmer before Paul Howes the real chosen one enters the lower house?.

      Commenter
      More ALP problems
      Location
      Sussex Street
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:11AM
    • Simon - never stopped them before!

      Commenter
      Herself
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:04AM
  • i think it's great to see a ballot taking place for the labor leadership. interesting to see whether caucus and the broader membership arrive at the same conclusions. two good candidates too.

    Commenter
    gravel12
    Location
    the highlands
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 9:35AM
    • That might depend, a ballot is likely to give Albanese the leadership of the opposition, Shorten might step back, but 'accept' the position of deputy leader.

      Commenter
      wdawes
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:43AM
  • Great! Democracy at work.

    Commenter
    Anna
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 9:27AM
  • And the next most worst appointment - Dennis ("climate change is crap") Jensen as science minister

    Commenter
    emma wren
    Location
    melbourne
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 9:20AM
    • havent you heard the result of election... Greenies have been hammered.. their vote has gone from 12 % to 7 %..
      PUP is the new 3rd force of Aus politics.
      He has become MHR in 1 election vs what it took 20 years for greens to achieve..
      Carbon tax is dead Australia is open for business tasmanians will have a chance to be employed will not be convereted into a national park

      Commenter
      Antii Green
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:32AM
    • He has a phd in science and was a research scientist at the CSIRO. Compared to the last minister for science who had an Arts degree he would be the most qualified Science minister Australia has seen in a generation.

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:34AM
    • The man has a masters in Physics and a phd in material sciences.
      He therefore would be more qualified to speak about sciences than you are unless you have a qualification in science.
      For too long we have been told by Politicians that the science is in and we need to act on climate change, They do not listen to anyone who has a different view than they do the fact that there are scientists
      Where is Rudd's qualification's that means his words on climate change should be listen to where a scientist in the field is not and their words are dismissed?

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:41AM
    • He may have a PhD but his grasp on scientific research and evaluation is laughable.

      Antii green: there never was a carbon tax you can stop the negative dishonest propaganda now the election is over. As for tasmanian's getting a job? How many jobs do you think the timber industry can create? Have you even been there? Do you even know the situation? I highly doubt it given that comment.

      Commenter
      Taswegian
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:44AM
    • I don't think the earth's climate will stop undergoing dramatic and potentially catastrophic change just because the Liberals were elected and the Greens got less votes than the last time.

      Commenter
      JB
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:46AM
    • Yes, Dennis Jensen can be living proof you can manage to get a PhD but forget how scientific method works.

      And for other commenters - the connection between Abbott's victory and this nutter being promoted to a ministry (because he ISN'T the fmr shadow minister) isn't as obvious as you may fondly imagine. "Abbott won, lol" isn't quite a good justification for promoting every mouth-breather in the Coalition ranks as you seem to think. In fact, it isn't a justification at all.

      Commenter
      Simon
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:53AM
    • @ JB. No, the course of climate change will not stop or abate but perhaps we'll stop blaming CO2 & look for better explanations & also look towards adapting to a warming planet.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:55AM
    • Terry: Your comments are confusing so let me see if I have this right. Politicians need to listen to scientists but only if they have a view not in line with the majority of scientists and science on the matter of climate change? Rudd, Gillard, Turnbull and even Howard listened to the science and based their comments/policy on what the science was telling them. If you have a problem with that then you have a roblem with science. Your argument is akin to Young Earth Creationists who deny the science because they can and manufacture evidence to support it. I do have a science degree although it's about as far removed from climate science as a physics degree but even I can see that the negative evidence just doesn't stack up.

      Commenter
      Taswegian
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:59AM
    • antii green - Greens have at least five senators in, to PUPs two.
      With your arithmetic you should be in line to work with Hockey in Treasury

      Commenter
      faceless cat
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:02AM
  • Bronwyn Bishop as speaker = judge, jury and executioner for Labour side

    Commenter
    emma wren
    Location
    melbourne
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 9:18AM
  • The Pulse @ 11:15am

    "I can only hope she becomes the new Speaker because that would be excellent for future question time blogging."

    Perhaps she can bring back caning to the HoR?

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 9:17AM
    • Christopher would like that!

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:20AM
  • If Shorten becomes leader of the opposition, does this not create an even bigger issue with the GG - given that Shorten is her son in law, and she has the power to dismiss the government and call elections? Should the GG resign her post under such circumstances as the conflict of interest (perceived or real) would be a little too much?

    Commenter
    Art
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 9:16AM
    • No. 99.9% of what the Governor-General does is ceremonial and uncontroversial. She has acted with the very highest integrity to date and there is no reason to think otherwise.

      No Governor-General ever has (with the exception of John Kerr) or will unilaterally call an election without the advice of the Prime Minister and I cannot imagine someone with so much demonstrated integrity as Quentin Bryce doing so either.

      In the very unlikely event that she is called upon to make a controversial political decision - such as to decide whether to grant a double dissolution before the new Senate takes its seat on July 1 next year, I have no doubt that she will ensure that the decision is made by the most senior State Governor (who is GG when the GG is not here), rather than allow the process to be tainted by any appearance of conflict of interest.

      But unless and until such an event happens on her watch, it would be nice not to have the malicious speculation that seems to pervade the right wing echo chambers.

      Commenter
      JB
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:43AM
    • A new GG will be reappointed under this government :) so no conflict!

      Commenter
      leavemeanon
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:45AM
    • I once heard George Brandis praise Quentin Bryce, who used to be his law professor at Uni of QLD, as a person of the highest integrity. We have a first class GG in Ms Bryce.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:59AM
    • Your concern is ludicrous. All laws, including the the budget must pass both houses of parliament, and the GG by convention does (nearly) everything on PM advice. The GG can't just appoint Shorten, and it would be pointless to do so as without Parliament he can't pass anything.

      Furthermore Bryce's term is up within a year. Fortunately then this bizarre conspiracy can die (well splutter out of over the next year, I doubt people imagining bizarre GG-led coups are going to notice she's no longer in the job.

      Commenter
      Simon
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:04AM
    • A perception of conflict of interest at that level is unacceptable. The GG must resign if Shorten is leader.

      Commenter
      Norm
      Location
      Maroubra
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:22AM
    • @leavemeanon, you cannot "reappoint" a "new" GG. Back to class for you.

      Commenter
      The Other Guy
      Location
      Geelong
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:44AM
    • norm....how is it a conflict of interest?? She is GG....he is potentially opposition leader. What can they conspire to do?

      Commenter
      shannas31
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:48AM
    • Perhaps we should ask Gough Whitlam if he thinks it is a problem if the Opposition Leader is the GGs son in law?

      Commenter
      Ptolemy
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:24PM
  • I prefer my pulses pressure cooked.

    Commenter
    Kane
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 9:15AM
  • A new soap opera !The last one we funny but this new one should be a scream,and the new cast member will add a nice twist .they call him piggy.

    Commenter
    justone
    Location
    oz
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 9:10AM
    • I think Kevin is destined to do a Billy Hughes and hang around the Parliament creating havoc well after his use by date (which was last week).

      Commenter
      Harvey
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:30AM
  • Probably the best thing that could happen at the Caucus meeting is for Rudd to stand up, apologise to all, admit that he ran a dreadful campaign, resign his seat, then zip.

    We know he won't - so would there be any push to expel him as an ALP member ?

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 9:07AM
    • Where is Rudd this morning? No selfies today?

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:15AM
    • I think Kevin did pretty well for a bloke with nothing to sell, plenty of people bought it.

      It's like blaming Kevin for what went wrong in 2009/10, it was the whole ALP that went wrong, and in the same way, whatever went wrong with the election campaign was the whole ALP's fault, not just Kevin's.

      That's one of their big mistakes now, they want blame someone and move on, which stops them figuring out where they got lost (somewhere around 1990 I think).

      Commenter
      Norm
      Location
      Maroubra
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:48AM
  • Steph,
    will Julie Owens be in canberra? The count in Parramatta is much closer than Indi. Have Labor already counted this seat as one for them? What happens to sitting Labor members in the Maybe category? Can they still vote for the leader?

    Commenter
    Cwitty
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 9:03AM
    • In the previous system Julie Owens' vote would count because the ballot would be today while the seat was knife edge. There are other examples of people voting who were subsequently not elected in both parties. Now the seat will be decided long before she would be required to cast her caucus ballot.

      Commenter
      JasonK
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:38AM
    • The ALP caucus won't vote today. Nominations are stll open for a few days. There is a strong possibility thatcaucus won't vote until the rank-and-file ballot is complete, but not announced. By then, final counts should be complete unless there is a court chalenge.

      Commenter
      bratman
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:53AM
  • Yep, well, Dennis Jensen is certainly doing his best to create a predictable future by creating it through his words and actions. I fervently pray to the God of Bananas (as Andrew Bolt keeps on telling me I’m some kind of religiously-inspired theist) that the Coalition resist the bizarre idea of making Jensen Science Minster. I can see embarrassing open letters to newspapers signed by thousands of science academics and leaders in their fields should that happen.

    Commenter
    Robert
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 9:02AM
  • Indonesia want us to assist them so they can bread beef.

    Indonesia will not assist us with stopping the breeding of refugees via boat.

    You can not have your beef and eat it to!

    Commenter
    4Ken
    Location
    Auburn
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 9:01AM
    • “Indonesia will not assist us with stopping the breeding of refugees via boat”

      NO, Indonesia have been quite explicit about wanting both countries to work in a spirit or partnership TOGETHER to work out solutions and have expressed disappointment that the Coalition has insisted upon unilateral action without consulting their regional partners.

      Commenter
      Richard
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:13AM
    • True.

      But the Coalition has not been sworn in yet. So it is a bit harsh for criticism when they have only ever been in opposition and very good at it.

      Consultation with Indonesia.is coming.

      I hope Julie Bishop waves the aid we give them in the consultation.

      Have you seriously considered how can you have aid money if you can afford to buy 1 million acres of Australia! Or are we giving them aid money to buy our land?

      Shall we continue?

      Commenter
      4Ken
      Location
      Auburn
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:32AM
    • When Indo gives us $600 mil in aid then they can dictate our border policies....but while they spend $8 billion p/a on military... well,,, take a number ...

      Commenter
      marky
      Location
      beach
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:38AM
  • I think Abbott has a mandate to maintain all the former ministers from Howard in the positions they occupied in opposition.
    He promised that time after time again in Parliament, he went to the public with that promise and that mandate he gave to us has to be kept.ministers maintained.n

    Commenter
    trevora
    Location
    melb
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 9:00AM
  • Hey Bill "not up to it" Shorten, as you will discover there is a lot of difference in debating with union officials and blue collar workers and a Rhode Scholar.

    Commenter
    Garry of Melbourne
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 8:59AM
    • Oh please being a Rhodes scholar does not mean one has a monopoly on debating. Anyway Tony's scholarship was as a boxing blue NOT an academic one!

      Commenter
      Rebus
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:33AM
    • Garry, that has to be one of the most anodyne comments I've read. Tony Abbott had to dragged to poltical debate - he also consistently refused to answer journalist's questions, instead he rudely walked away, day after day, once he'd delivered another pat speech. He refused to appear on the ABC to be questioned in depth until the last week, and he refused to release his costings in any detail, at any point. This guy is no debater. Look at this - this is our PM in a situation where he needs to deal with a simple challenge http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyY-xI6zgfk

      Commenter
      Walt Hawtin
      Location
      St Ives
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:33AM
    • @Wait
      If he is truly as bad as you say then what does that say about the people that he beat? As bad as you say but still preferred by the majority of Australians to the alternative. Your comments reveal more about the Labor party than they do about our PM.

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:52AM
    • Cwitty
      Abbott didn't beat anybody. Rupert and Gina did.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:28AM
    • Steve, your comment is as ridiculous as the image of Gina and Rupert holding several hundred thousand people at gunpoint as they cast their votes...

      Commenter
      Halfback
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:18AM
    • Halfback
      You keep your eyes tightly shut if you want.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:26AM
    • Halfback, you can't be serious?? You honestly don't acknowledge the right-wing domination of the media in this country? Murdoch?? You honestly don't recognise the blatant right-wing bias in papers such as The Telegraph, for which the vast majority of its readership is uneducated, right-wing and swinging voters?? Talk about head in the sand...frightening!

      Commenter
      Ostriches
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:50AM
    • Happy to, as long as you keep your mouth the same!

      Commenter
      Halfback
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:55AM
    • Steve

      See you are resorting to playground taunts.

      BTW, what was Gina's involvement in this election and how did it affect the outcome?

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 12:14PM
    • Skeptic
      Biased Editorials in the last days.
      Of course the extreme right wing don't see it as bias though.
      They see anything less as Left wing bias.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 1:14PM
  • I hope Mrs Rowland has organised childcare for this term of parliament so we can avoid any more hissy fits like last time.

    Commenter
    Nulla
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 8:56AM
    • You mean the HISSY FITS from the men on the Liberal benches

      Commenter
      the lion
      Location
      Darwin
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:21AM
  • In my view Bill Shorten would make a great opposition leader at this time.The last thing the Labor Party should do is go down the petty,partisan ,negative road that the conservatives did .Balanced,truthful.objective but firm leadership is what is needed and Bill is the best person to fill that roll.Tanya Plibersec would make a great dep opposition leader and not a bad PM when the time comes.

    Commenter
    fishysson
    Location
    NSW
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 8:44AM
    • I too hope that Bill Shorten becomes Opposition Leader and Plibersek as Deputy. That way the Australian people will truly know the values and morals that guide the Australian Labor Party.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 8:57AM
    • Bill Shorten will never be elected Prime Minister by the people, not after he stabbed two Prime Ministers in the back and therefore showed he cannot be trusted. Give Tanya Plibersek the job so she's got three years in Opposition and she will then be ready to be PM. She would win a popularity contest of Labor members.

      Commenter
      Go Tanya
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:02AM
  • Regarding the coalition victory last Saturday, it is becoming more obvious by the day that labor does not understand why they lost. If labor don't know, I'm not telling.

    Commenter
    kp
    Location
    brisbane
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 8:40AM
    • Labor lost because they chose the gentrified left over their blue collar base. They listened to their twitter echo chambers rather than the party organisers at the coal face in their suburban electorates.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:11AM
    • Labor managed to alienate both most of what Lewis calls the 'gentrified left' (asylum seeker policy, half-hearted support for marriage equality, university funding and a few othr issues) and a good deal of the lower SES base (putting single parents on Newstart too early, leaving Newstart pathetically low etc). With the addition of the leadership merry-go-round, the leaks and the appalling communication -especially during the campaign - I'm surprised they didn't do even worse..

      Commenter
      bratman
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:00AM
    • Yep they really have no clue do they? But then a 33% primary vote is OK as well.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 12:51PM
  • If Bill Shorten is elected leader of the ALP and their polling continues to go south, will Bill stab himself in the back??? You know he's got form.

    Commenter
    Brettie
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 8:29AM
    • Bill was a far left socialist at UNI then to AWU then to a safe Labor seat mmm now that's a good grounding for a future PM to govern for all Australians in a free trade World. Mother in Law is our Governor General who under Rudd politicised her office but to her credit pulled back under Gillard. Plus I don't think he is really smart enough or good enough politically to handled the Abbott

      Commenter
      impy
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 8:40AM
    • maybe they are just meeting due to the budget emergency, or maybe to award the MVP to James Diaz?

      Commenter
      admin
      Location
      melbourne
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 8:51AM
    • Just Like Abbott with Turbul

      Commenter
      Johno
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 8:57AM
    • Wow all I can say is that you all voted for the current PM. It's time to each the cakes and fruits...

      Commenter
      Meh1
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:16AM
    • impy, Shorten was not a far left socialist at Uni. He was in the Fabian society and was right-wing Labor.

      Commenter
      Al
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:26AM
    • He'll fully support whatever he says even when he doesn't know what he said.

      Commenter
      Dano
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:39AM
  • The Labor meeting might be the start of the battle to determine what constitutes "Labor Values".

    It will be especially interesting which way they might lean on the carbon tax issue. Abbott's likely to get those bills to repeal into parliament very quickly indeed.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 8:23AM
    • Keep dreaming

      Commenter
      Dream Weaver
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:38AM
    • The carbon tax always was a bit of a red herring. It's impact was minuscule compared to the gold plating going on with our electricity bills. Gold plating in the electricity market makes up around 50% of the bill!

      Solve real problems thanks Liberals, not phony irrelevant ones.

      Commenter
      Bart
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:57AM
    • @hacka lets make a bet that tony doesnt test the parliament with the repeal of carbon pricing. He will spin more of the same ole lies until the new senate is in - budget emergency? The muppet can only be on a short leash for so long and the hawks will be circling in the meantime

      Commenter
      harry
      Location
      melbourne
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:32AM
    • @ Bart - the remarkable fact that the ALP and its supporters ignore is that prior to 2010, the majority of State governments (and virtually all the governments on the East Coast) were ALP governments. That is when the most if not all of "gold plating" occurred - not under Coalition governments. However, as is usual for the ALP, it is convenient to blame Coaltion governments because they are fixing the messes left by the ALP.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:34AM
  • My prediction is that Anthony Albanese won't run today for the leadership race. A deal will have been done behind the scenes so Shorten gets the Leadership as the Union flunkies know that he is unpopular almost members. Personally, I think its a huge mistake appoint Shorten. His brand is toxic.

    Commenter
    Sarah of Carnegie
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 8:18AM
    • well Bills the original faceless man behind the first coup at the behest of the AWU as Rudd was attempting to free Labor from Union control. Bring in Bill and the Unions have control of Australia again.

      Commenter
      impy
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 8:43AM
    • I agree, Sarah. Albo will not run. They do not want any more delays with the rank & file also deciding on who will be leader. The fix is on & Shorten will be the new Leader of The Opposition.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:02AM
    • Happy to see Albo challenge for the leadership. He's much more likeable and Tania as Deputy.

      Commenter
      Sarah of Carnegie
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 9:56AM
    • @impy. "Unions have control of Australia again"?
      You need to step outside your dwelling and get a taste of reality. The Ginas, Ruperts and Clives run this country.

      Commenter
      meatatarian
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 10:09AM
    • I agree Sarah - Albo strikes me as charismatic, passionate, sincere and honourable. He's just was the ALP needs. They certainly don't need Shorten.

      Commenter
      Albo's in
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:02AM
    • impy
      were you asleep last week when Rupert won the election.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:15AM
    • Good call.....

      Commenter
      BBA
      Location
      Banks
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:26AM
    • Abbott didn't 'win' the election - Rupert and Kevin facilitated Labor's loss. Despite Labor's dire position now, I think there's a reasonable likelihood of Abbott being a one-term-wonder - max, 2 terms. Indonesia certainly doesn't regard him very highly...

      Commenter
      Ostriches
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:53AM
  • Memo to Caucus Catering:

    For God's sake, make sure the party pies aren't cold.

    Commenter
    Louis Cypher
    Location
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 8:15AM
    • thanks man first laugh of the day

      Commenter
      impy laughing
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 8:45AM
    • also, make sure the knives are plastic

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 11:57AM
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