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Federal Election 2013 Live: September 5, 2013

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Only one more day to go. But before we get there let's look back on the day that was:

  • the Coalition has released its policy costings which includes an extra $9 billion of savings;
  • part of this is a $4.5 billion cut to the foreign aid budget to pay for infrastructure projects;
  • there will also be a rephasing of the Murray Darling water buyback scheme as well as additional cuts to the public service;
  • Labor says the document is a "farce" because it is only a list of cuts rather than a budget strategy;
  • Labor leader Kevin Rudd gave his final set speech of the campaign and warned people life under a Coalition government would be "radically different"; and
  • all parties and candidates are preparing for the last day of the campaign.

My thanks, as always, to you for reading and commenting. A big rap for Andrew Meares and Alex Ellinghausen.

We will be back in the morning.

(And a reminder we will also be with you for election day and the aftermath - whatever they may bring.)

And we head towards the end of the day with a different sort of selfie.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd tours Thompson Square in Windsor, NSW, on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd tours Thompson Square in Windsor, NSW, on Thursday. Photo: POOL/Mike Bowers

If you would like the see the documents released by the Coalition I now have them available for you.

The statement can be found here.

The tables of savings and expenditure can be found here.

The Coalition's foreign affairs spokeswoman, Julie Bishop, has released the party's policy in that area.

It mentions foreign aid.

"We are concerned about the rapid increase in foreign aid, described in the 2011 Independent Review Into Aid Effectiveness as 'steep and challenging', in light of real concerns about the ability of AusAid and other agencies to manage such a programme efficiently and effectively," the document says.

"We also do not believe that the Australian community is entirely comfortable with the government's doubling of an already large overseas development assistance budget rapidly without robust performance benchmarks - especially as Labor has slashed spending in important areas like Defence."

A Coalition government would also review Australia's diplomatic presence overseas within six months.

Business writer Michael Pascoe doesn't think much of the Coalition's costings.

"Even if you take year three and four budget projections seriously (and you really can't, as everyone should now know) that works out to be an average improvement of $1.5 billion a year on a $400 billion budget  - all of 0.375 per cent," Michael writes.

"It's not even a rounding error. A half decent Queensland storm can blow that away in half in hour."

Michael's full article can be found here.

 

Greens leader Christine Milne is responding to the Coalition's costings.

"How much of what is left [of the foreign aid budget] is going to be spent on tent cities on Nauru and cruelty towards asylum seekers?" Senator Milne says.

Senator Milne says it is "shocking" to suggest foreign aid should be cut to fund infrastructure.

"Tony Abbott is not only bad for this country - he is bad for the region," she says.

UNICEF got its response out quickly to the cuts to foreign aid funding.

"It's clear the Coalition no longer has the same desire to deliver on poverty reduction and good governance it held during the Howard years," the chief executive of UNICEF Australia, Norman Gillepsie, says.

"Mr Hockey may well wish to argue the economy will grow faster under a Coalition but his costings are at the expense of children's lives."

Mr Albanese says the Coalition is the "favourite to win" on Saturday but he believes Labor can win.

Mr Albanese says the Coalition is making "vicious cuts" and names the Murray Darling funding rephasing which will affect the people of Adelaide and "anyone who cares about the environment".

Let's get Labor's reaction from Anthony Albanese.

"They're not policy costings, they're a farce," Mr Albanese says.

"That document is not a policy costing....What we aren't seeing is any of the documentation for any of this work. They've been hiding their costings, they've been hiding their candidates."

The Coalition's plan to trial marriage vouchers would cost $20 million over two years and its commission of audit would cost $1 million.

 

And that's it.

Less than 25 minutes on questions about the costings (not because there were none but because Mr Hockey called time.)

Our story will be constantly updated as we go through the papers. You can follow it here.

"Only an emphatic decision from the Australian people on Saturday....that's the only way we can fix the budget," Mr Hockey says.

(Just remember in all of this that a lot of the Coalition's savings depend on the scrapping of the carbon price - which has to be passed by Parliament.)

There will also be "modest new savings" from a rephasing of the Murray Darling water buyback scheme - $650 million - to spread four years of spending over six years.

A further $428 million will be saved with an additional 0.25 efficiency dividend on the public service which the document says will come from "prudent limitations on government advertising and consultancies as well as on government travel".

The money will be allocated to Melbourne's East West link ($1.5 billion), Sydney's WestConnex ($1.5 billion) and the Brisbane Gateway Motorway upgrade ($1 billion).

The costings document says the Coalition remains "committed to the Millenium Development goal of increasing foreign aid of 0.5 per cent of GNI over time, but cannot commit to a date given the current state of the federal budget".

"As well, the Coalition will re prioritise foreign aid allocations towards non government organisations that deliver on the ground support for those most in need," the document says.

Mr Hockey says "all the numbers that are presented today show we are living within our means".

The Coalition has released 700 pages of policy during the campaign, compared with 200 pages from Labor, Mr Hockey says.

"We are going to cut the growth in foreign aid to pay for infrastructure," Mr Hockey says.

"We are reducing the growth in foreign aid by $4.5 billion over the forward estimates."

The accompanying document (which I've just received) says: "It is unsustainable to continue massive projected growth in foreign aid funding whilst the Australian economy continues at below trend growth. Australia needs a stronger economy today so that it can be more generous in the future."

 

Coalition treasury spokesman Joe Hockey and finance spokesman Andrew Robb are releasing the costings.

Mr Hockey confirms the budget bottom line will be improved by "over $6 billion".

He is announcing a further $9 billion in savings (on top of the $31 billion already outlined).

 

Team Abbott has left Brisbane bound for Melbourne.

Team Rudd has left Canberra bound for Sydney.

He hopes.

Coalition leader Tony Abbott during a street walk in Stafford Heights, Queensland, on Thursday.

Coalition leader Tony Abbott during a street walk in Stafford Heights, Queensland, on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

A couple of things to deal with before then.

Keen observers might have noticed Labor is concerned about seats with margins that would once have marked them as safe.

Kingsford Smith, in Sydney's south east, is a case in point. Former senator and NSW Labor Party boss Matt Thistlethwaite wants to succeed Peter Garrett in the seat with a margin of 5.2 per cent.

What once might have been a good bet is now up in the air, as The Sydney Morning Herald's state political reporter Anna Patty writes.

Meanwhile, the Liberal Party has a problem on it hands by the name of Jaymes Diaz, whose unfamiliarity with party policy and subsequent disappearance from the campaign has become a bit of a joke.

Just to remind you - the Coalition's costings will be released at 2.30 pm at a press conference with Joe Hockey and Andrew Robb.

 

Thanks for that Wyatt:

 

And that's it for Mr Rudd's speech.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd replaces his watch - a 20 year anniversary gift from his wife Therese Rein - after his address to the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd replaces his watch - a 20 year anniversary gift from his wife Therese Rein - after his address to the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

"We're the party of the little guy. And I mean that in a non gender specific way," Mr Rudd says.

Mr Rudd says his priorities for indigenous policy would be constitutional recognition and continuing to work to reach the targets to "close the gap" on a range of health, education and other indicators.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd kisses his wife Therese Rein his address to the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd kisses his wife Therese Rein his address to the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Rudd says he is interested in further reform of the Labor Party ("a great beast, sometimes gainly and sometimes not") both in relation to preselections and policies.

He remains a fan of fixed four year terms.

 

Labor leader Kevin Rudd at the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday.

Labor leader Kevin Rudd at the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

"If Mr Abbott did not have anything to hide, why is he going to such extraordinary length to be evasive," Mr Rudd says.

"I don't get it, but I think the Australian people do."

Mr Rudd is asked if he will serve a full term as the member for Griffith if Labor loses the election.

"My intention is to continue to serve as a local member of Parliament....My intention equally is to serve them as prime minister," Mr Rudd says.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Rudd says a challenge for all politicians is to "keep our minds open to new ways of thinking from right around the country and right around the world".

Mr Rudd is invited to mention Julia Gillard by name.

He says he paid "appropriate respect" to all former Labor leaders at the campaign launch on Sunday.

 

Mr Rudd is now taking questions.

The first one is whether Mr Rudd will give the same guarantee given by Mr Abbott that whatever happens on Saturday he will not be opposition leader on Monday.

"I am fighting for the Australian people," Mr Rudd says.

He will be "content" with whatever the people decide.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

(FYI - the Coalition's costings will be released at 2.30pm in Melbourne in a press conference fronted by Joe Hockey and Andrew Robb.)

"I genuinely fear for what the Liberals would do in office," Mr Rudd says.

"The truth is it would not be the same Australia of a fair go for all. It would be a radically different Australia where there is a far go for some. I don't want an Australia that is divided into winners and losers. I don't want an Australia that is wrapped in dispute and division and thrown into a new culture of confrontation."

 

"The government complied with Peter Costello's charter of budget honesty," Mr Rudd says.

"The Australian people are now left completely in the dark....This pattern of evasion continues through until this day."

"If you are in doubt after all this evasion on how Mr Abbott's massive cuts would hurt your jobs, schools, hospitals and the economy in these fragile times, don't vote for him."

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Rudd has mentioned former prime minsters Gough Whitlam and Paul Keating in relation to their achievements but avoids naming Julia Gillard when he talks about the national disability insurance scheme and the improvements to education and health.

 

"The jobs of all Australians are important to me," Mr Rudd says.

(The head of the Australian Workers Union, Paul Howes, is in the audience nodding intently.)

 

 

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Rudd is painting Labor as the party of big picture ideas that conservatives have "sneered at" and "opposed",  including the national disability insurance scheme.

He moves on to the economy.

"Recession is not a risk we should ever entertain lightly," Mr Rudd says.

"This is no time to rest on our laurels because global economic circumstances are changing."

Ideas "above our station in life" include Medicare, free higher education and compulsory superannuation, Mr Rudd says.

 

Mr Rudd says conservatives always want to return to a "mythical" time in the past when "everything was fine and dandy".

"A cocktail of the 1950s, Upstairs Downstairs and Downton Abbey all wrapped together where everyone did know their station in life," Mr Rudd says.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Rudd says among the "sound and fury" of the campaign that "there are some phrases that have managed to penetrate".

"Our national political mission, put simply, is to do whatever we can to make life better for them [ordinary Australians]," Mr Rudd says.

"This is the core mission of progressive politics, this is the core mission of our party."

Mr Rudd says Mr Abbott is "one of the more disturbing" voices of the campaign.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and his wife Therese Rein at the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and his wife Therese Rein at the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Kevin Rudd is making his traditional final speech of the campaign to the National Press Club in Canberra.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Economics correspondent Peter Martin's interest was raised when Coalition leader Tony Abbott said earlier this week that: "If Labor sneaks back, the carbon tax stays and goes up to $38 a tonne by 2020 and an almost unimaginable $350 a tonne by 2050."

That was enough to give Peter something to research for today's instalment of Fact Checker.

What did he find? Click here to read.

At 12.30 pm I will bring you Labor leader Kevin Rudd's last set speech of the campaign.

Labor leader Kevin Rudd will address the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday.

Labor leader Kevin Rudd will address the National Press Club in Canberra on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

At 11.02 am I directed you to news of Clive Palmer's application to join the "I'm not happy with News Corp" club.

The Age's national affairs editor, Tony Wright, could not resist: "If you thought Kevin Rudd was a mite annoyed with Rupert Murdoch, there's probably not a word that's adequate to describe Clive Palmer's Titanic fury at the media chief over an article on one of this newspapers that seeks to prick the substantial Palmer balloon."

Coalition leader Tony Abbott is visiting a leather goods business in the northern suburbs of Brisbane.

"We also want to make very good use of kangaroos," Mr Abbott tells workers.

"We might as well make proper use of the kangaroo....Any product made by leather is an environmentally friendly product."

Coalition leader Tony Abbott visits a leather business in Narangba, Queensland, on Thursday.

Coalition leader Tony Abbott visits a leather business in Narangba, Queensland, on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

I've checked with the Australian Electoral Commission about the advertising blackout (see 11.17 am post) which began at midnight last night.

According to its electoral advertising guide: "This three day blackout effectively provides a 'cooling off' period in the lead up to polling day, during which political parties, candidates and others are no longer able to purchase time on television and radio to broadcast political advertising."

This means the ads people have seen popping up on my own website and on social media sites are not covered by the ban.

(I predict a few of you might be lobbying for an updated definition of "electronic media".)

The Coalition's treasury spokesman Joe Hockey has just held a picture opportunity with the Coalition's eminent panel of financial experts in which the four men signed some papers and spoke about the veracity of the documents but did not actually release them.

Just a note to people who have been asking about the advertising black out which started at midnight last night.

My understanding is that the black out relates to electronic media which, given the definition would have been before the internet, means radio and television.

But I am going to ask the relevant body about it because I would like to know too.

We all know that Labor is not super keen on News Corp.

Now billionaire political party starter Clive Palmer has joined them.

Mr Palmer is threatening to sue Rupert Murdoch and accused the media mogul's ex wife of "spying", less than 24 hours after filing an $800,000 defamation suit against Liberal National Party candidate Mal Brough.

You can read about the threatened law suit here.

 

The Greens are claiming a surge in support from voters disaffected with the stance of both major parties on asylum seekers and have launch an advertising campaign to highlight it, The Age's political editor Michael Gordon reports.

The party has spent more than $30,000 on newspaper ads funded by some of the 10,000 people who sign up to a "not in my name, not with my vote" website.

This follows Greens leader Christine Milne's speech yesterday in which she said she had "no regerets" about the party's decision to vote against the 2009 carbon pollution reduction scheme.

Senator Milne reminded people the Greens would still have the balance of power in the Senate until the end of June 2014 regardless of the outcome on Saturday and that the party would use that time to hold Labor to account on its position on carbon pricing.

You can read more about Senator Milne's speech here.

 

Chief political correspondent Mark Kenny has written his column about Labor's malaise.

"On Wednesday morning, reporters on the Rudd campaign again found themselves in Melbourne, and again found themselves in the middle of a disorganised Labor campaign," Mark writes.

"Warehoused for hours as Rudd (somewhere else) made unheralded appearances on TV and radio, there was an unmistakable sense in the travelling media pack that the time spent in Melbourne is more about sandbagging Labor seats rather than winning Coalition ones."

You can read Mark's column here.

 

 

 

Policies that have not been modelled as part of the Coalition's costings are broadband, immigration and climate change (direct action).

A spokesman for treasury spokesman Joe Hockey confirmed that the reason the three policies have not been sent to the Parliamentary Budget Office is because they have "input from a range of external sources".

Breaking news reporter Jonathan Swan has more.

Mr Abbott tells people voting for independents is a waste of a time.

"Independents mucked up the last Parliament. Let's not let them muck up this Parliament," Mr Abbott says.

(It's hard to see why he and Tony Windsor didn't exactly get on, isn't it?)

Coalition leader Tony Abbott addresses the media at the Brisbane Metropolitan Transport Management Centre in Brisbane on Thursday.

Coalition leader Tony Abbott addresses the media at the Brisbane Metropolitan Transport Management Centre in Brisbane on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Team Abbott is in Brisbane today.

Mr Abbott is visiting a traffic management centre accompanied by his deputy Julie Bishop.

Ms Bishop says that since this is her last press conference with Mr Abbott before the election she would like to take the opportunity to pay tribute to him "as my friend, my colleague and as our leader".

"He has been a uniting force in the Coalition," Ms Bishop says. "I've started to think of him as our captain coach of the footy team. When the game's over, when we're back in the change room, that's when Tony's real talents come to the fore because he unites us."

"We wouldn't be in the position we are today without Tony Abbott."

Coalition leader Tony Abbott and deputy opposition leader Julie Bishop address the media  in Brisbane on Thursday.

Coalition leader Tony Abbott and deputy opposition leader Julie Bishop address the media in Brisbane on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Labor has focussed on the Coalition's costings throughout the campaign.

But how many voters care? Given the large number of people who have already voted one might conclude that those people are not interested or had already mind up their minds.

What do you think? Should the Coalition have given voters more time to digest its costings? You can have your say here in online readers poll.

What do we know about the costings so far?

We know that the Coalition will not say when the budget will be back in the black. Instead of showing us an alternative budget the costings will reveal the final cost of Coalition election promises and where the savings will come from.

As chief political correspondent Mark Kenny reports the costings will contain the promise that the budget will be better off by more than $6 billion and that gross debt will be $16 lower in that time.

The costings have been conducted by the Parliamentary Budget Office.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd walks around Lake Burley Griffin in Canberra on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd walks around Lake Burley Griffin in Canberra on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Labor has been calling on the Coalition to show them the money throughout the campaign. The Coalition promised it would do so and that it would not be on the last day.

So that leaves us with today - the second last day and after the advertising black out has begun - for the release.

But how late in the day can the Coalition leave it? Given Labor leader Kevin Rudd is due to give his final set speech of the campaign at the National Press Club in Canberra at 12.30 pm one might be safe to speculate the costings will come out after that.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd walks around Lake Burley Griffin in Canberra on Thursday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd walks around Lake Burley Griffin in Canberra on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Good morning. Thank you for joining me, Andrew Meares and Alex Ellinghausen for the day's campaign news. We've got the release of the Coalition's campaign costings and Labor leader Kevin Rudd at the National Press Club in Canberra.

It's going to be a big second last day.

(And thanks for Judith Ireland for filling in for me yesterday.)

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  • FINALLY someone can see that you must ensure your own country is looked after before the needs of others. They have not cut any aid just the grown of the aid we give. It's all well and good to be seen as a generous nation but not at the expense of your own. I fully support this. I am also really sick of hearing about how the Coalition would not make their costings available earlier when Labor did not release their costings until the very last minute at the last 2 previous elections.

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    TheGimp
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    September 05, 2013, 3:20PM
  • So it all relies on them being able to repeal the carbon tax. No wonder they are so desperate to get that one through the senate!

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    Tone
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    Melbourne
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 3:10PM
  • The Economist summed it up perfectly for me.
    "we have a choice between a man with a defective manifesto (Abbott) and a narcissist (Rudd). I'll take the narcissist over the man with a "defective manifesto" every day of the week.

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    Reason trumps racism
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    September 05, 2013, 3:07PM
  • The anticipated tsunami from Hockey was realised today, though hardly as a result of the feeble policy costings announcements best described as just more, mere dribble, but, for the torrent of sweat pouring off his brow. At least now we know the reason Abbott so favours those speedos.

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    fd
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    September 05, 2013, 2:57PM
  • Now that the Coalition have released their costings, what is Rudd going to talk about for the next 36 hours ?

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    Hacka
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    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:56PM
    • His positive plan for the future? Haha just kidding!

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      Nulla
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      September 05, 2013, 3:15PM
  • There seem to be a lot of infrastructure projects on the Coalition costings.

    Seems like Abbott really does want to be known as the infrastructure PM.

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    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:53PM
  • Abbot on the 13th of August promised $100 million to clean up black spots.

    Why have they only costed $75 million with nothing for 13-14?

    And what is the "Clear 30,000 Border Backlog" - how are they saving $2 million in 13-14, $38 million in 14-15, nothing in 15-16 but costing $95 million in 16-17?

    Read through it people its smoke and mirrors http://images.theage.com.au/file/2013/09/05/4722015/2013%252009%252005%2520TABLE.pdf

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    Chippsy
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    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:53PM
  • Mummy Julie does not think the little international and national " not for profits" are capable of using Aid money wisely.

    So she has taken the Aid money away!

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    TiredOfSpin
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    September 05, 2013, 2:46PM
  • Still no costings on how many billions it will cost the tax payer to support the people smugglers buy back boats policy.

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    Steeden
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    September 05, 2013, 2:41PM
    • Tha'ts because people smugglers have changed business model and are now employing refugees to help them build boats in return for a means to fly to Australia. People smugglers can drown too you know, why risk it when there is an easier source of money ..... and taxpayer funded to boot!

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      tasch2
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      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:55PM
    • Because they've already stated its capped at $20m. Next.

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      Already Reflected
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      September 05, 2013, 2:59PM
    • or the wealthy women's baby bonus. Tony Abbott takes from the children living in poverty to give to these rich women.

      And spends extra money buying leaking boats.

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      Sharron
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 3:01PM
    • cost...LNP could do a non cash trade. Trade Dudd for the indo boats. that's a fair trade - neither fit for purpose

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      Taxpayer
      Location
      Here
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 3:06PM
  • What a relief. I voted and its all over for me. Can't change my mind any longer. Noticed many people were voting early this time. I suppose we are all tired and sick of this seemingly endless and tiresome campaign and want to see the end of it. May the best man win as they say in sport.

    Commenter
    Billnix
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    Western Sydney
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:41PM
    • So many voted early because they were going on holidays.

      The economy is supposed to be that bad.

      According to Abbott..

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      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 3:00PM
  • Good lord its been like group therapy for the rusted-ons. Brown paper bags up and down like the billows....now breath. I think they doth protest too much. the sky won't fall down but feel free to give the Dudd a kick on you're way out

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    Taxpayer
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    here
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:41PM
  • Very interesting piece debunking a lot of the labor spin about their stimulus spending and saving us from the GFC. Basically what most thinking people have been saying for a long time.

    http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o-meter/article/2013/sep/01/did-labor-save-us-gfc-part-ii-riposte/

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    Already Reflected
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    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:40PM
    • Mr Reflected - Given that the link had "part ii the riposte" in it I wondered whether the article you described as interesting was in response to another article with a diametrically opposed point of view. Upon opening it I found, lo and behold, that it was. In the interests of balance would you also like to supply a link to that first article or would you like the dear readers to get only one side of the story?

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      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:53PM
    • Lets present all sides of the argument shall we? Politifact has not been found to be always accurate or unbiased. We should take its pronouncement s with a grain of salt.

      They are a group of people with all the characteristics of normal people, and none of us are right all of the time.

      I suggest that people do a little research of their own about Politifact.

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      TiredOfSpin
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      September 05, 2013, 3:04PM
  • The ALP cuts cuts cuts blown out of the water
    •There are no cuts to education, health, defence or medical research;
    •There is no change to the GST;
    •There is no “$10 billion fraud” as alleged by Kevin Rudd;
    •There is no $70 billion black hole in the Coalition costings; and
    •The Coalition will deliver a better budget bottom line than Labor.

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    Baltic13
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    September 05, 2013, 2:37PM
    • At least the cheer squad are staying on message... even if Joe can't 9not surprising really he is privy to the numbers)

      Commenter
      tasch2
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      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:41PM
    • Pure comedy. Did James Diaz write this for you?

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      AtomicNirvana
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      September 05, 2013, 2:44PM
    • There are 2 things ... no sense in Abbott's costings and no sense in "Baltic13".

      An incomplete costing sheet ... all 8 pages.

      8 pages to change the Australian economy from one of the best in the world.

      What a simplistic bunch of dopes.

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      J. Fraser
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      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:46PM
    • 1. After all the claims about Labor's bottom line, they're delivering $1.5b a year better bottom line over 4 years. A rounding error on the total size of the budget, as Michael Pascoe noted. 0.375% of the budget. They've filled in the hole, but proven that their claims of a budget "emergency" under Labor were lies, which is why they've taken so long to do it.

      2. To get that tiny improvement, they did cut stuff like the schoolkids' bonus.

      3. And that's with three major policies, including broadband, not costed properly. The $1.5b improvement would probably evaporate if they did.

      The Coalition's lies about Labor's economic management are blown out of the water.

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      Arky
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      September 05, 2013, 2:51PM
    • @AtomicNirvana
      mate, Get ready to be in opposition for next 12 years after the saturday wipeout

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      Johno
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      September 05, 2013, 2:53PM
    • Really? Three policies were not costed, including Asylum Seekers..

      I reserve my judgement. It seems to me to be a lot of pain to the vulnerable and poor both internationally and nationally, to deliver a budget saving of 0.26% of GDP when the deficit is 12 % of GDP.

      Abbott and Hockey are struggling!

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      TiredOfSpin
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      September 05, 2013, 2:56PM
  • DCS:
    It's about being realist, not delusional, and appreciating and enjoying what you already have. And when you've finished doing that (or maybe at the same time), spare a thought for those who aren't as well off as you (about 6.5 billion of them)

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    AtomicNirvana
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    September 05, 2013, 2:36PM
  • Cuts to FA, will this be back to the bad old days of Harradine denying any FA for family planning and sexual health?

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    A country gal
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    September 05, 2013, 2:36PM
  • Coalition Plans 101:

    1. Rollback an already started broadband network to something that will be outdated by the time it is finished.
    2. Remove funding for family with school children.
    3. Overly compensate the wealthy for having a kid
    4. Remove any semblance of climate control funding
    5. Rip up the Clean Energy Bill
    6. Cut funds for education
    7. Cut Forein Aid because those people can help themselves
    8. Promise $200 vouchers for counselling for those intending to get married including gays but they can't marry.
    9. Promise $16 million for Cadbury which is owned by a large multinational
    10. Complain about Australia's debt and Labor's spending whilst promising $6 billion of savings over 4 years - WOW, $1.5 billion a year!!

    Use your heads people; an Abbott led government is the last thing Australia needs. We are doing pretty good as it is. No need to rock the boat and send this country backwards.

    Commenter
    Chippsy
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:34PM
    • and how much are Labor saving?? How are they going to pay off the debt?? Funny they have mentioned nothing about!!!

      Commenter
      timesup
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:44PM
    • That's the point, the Coalition have been raving on and on about saving money and cutting the deficit and paying off the debt.

      Guess what? Their costings come out and they're not.

      Commenter
      Chippsy
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:47PM
  • I like the idea of paying more aid when we can afford it.

    Commenter
    Taxpayer
    Location
    here
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:32PM
    • Which is? When we all have another TV, another new car, an extra storey on our house??

      Commenter
      AtomicNirvana
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:41PM
    • Its interesting how the Left want to leave Australians and particularly indigenous Australians living in squalor but funnel millions overseas with little accountability and oversight.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:47PM
    • If you can afford all those things you should think of giving to charity (that's what I do).

      Commenter
      Taxpayer
      Location
      here
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:48PM
    • the twenty million in marriage vouchers could go to foreign aid, taxpayer......if 2 people intend to marry and need counselling let them pay it themselves....foreign aid would be better served by $20million and you cannot, in a right mind, argue against that

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 3:14PM
  • Thank God it is almost Saturday.

    We can put this election to bed and get back to normal.

    Come Sunday morning people, the sun will still come up and all will be good in the world.

    Peace out borthers and sisters.

    Ok.

    Gotta zip.

    Commenter
    Smokin Mo
    Location
    Ryde
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:32PM
  • Oh my,
    The rusted-ons are using every last breath. Don't worry guys, the sun will still get up on Sunday morning.
    You can start your 3-term long campaign against the LNP government on Monday!

    Commenter
    notlad
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:31PM
    • Hey, I'm not concerned at all. It's all the suckers out there who believe the sun will be brighter on Sunday that will have issues in the next 3 years

      Commenter
      AtomicNirvana
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:43PM
  • At last, a party that is going to put Australians and Australian infrastructure first and not throw away $$ to other countries to use and abuse. GREAT job Mr Hockey Et Al

    Commenter
    timesup
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:26PM
  • When Tony said that Kevin would be "embarrassed" when the Coalition released its costings he should have made it clear that Kevin would be embarrassed for them.

    Commenter
    tasch2
    Location
    Mornington Peninsula
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:23PM
    • Champagne Comedy tasch2.

      I see what you did there. You took the embarressed comment and made it out that Kevin is embarressed for them.

      Absolute Gold.

      Commenter
      Smokin Mo
      Location
      Ryde
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:52PM
    • Thanks for reading and appreciating Mo.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 3:04PM
  • The Pulse @ 4:04 PM......"Business writer Michael Pascoe doesn't think much of the Coalition's costings."

    Uo tp Murdoch's media now.

    To keep it a secret.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:22PM
    • I've noticed that of your last 300 posts not one has been supportive of Rudd - every comment has been an anti Abbott or other members of the coalition.

      Don't feel inclined to join the Rudd cheer squad?

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:41PM
  • The only reason I can think of for Stumbles Hockey not baring all today is he must have had advance knowledge of the fate of the State of Origin Streaker for doing exactly that.

    Commenter
    David D
    Location
    Ettalong Beach
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:19PM
  • No wonder Abbott didnt want to be anywhere near Hockey and Robb when they read out the bogus costings!..he is hiding just like Diaz!

    Commenter
    Archer
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:19PM
    • Diaz has my workings! Good luck finding him...

      Commenter
      Joe Hockey
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:25PM
    • They should all die of shame.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:31PM
  • Of course Pascoe comes out now wringing his hands about costings. Shame he never troubled his precious little head about the costings and budget blow outs of the ALP.

    C'mon Michael, still time to demand all of Labor's costings.

    Commenter
    Nulla
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:17PM
  • Thursday night line up at the car wash.

    Shows how bad the economy is.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:17PM
  • GuybrushThreepwood

    The decrease in emissions is an illusion. Coal production has doubled since year 2000, currently around 420 million tonnes, producing 1.2 billion tonnes in emissions eclipsing our total emission in year 2000.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:15PM
    • Pen, sometimes you don't do your cause any good. I know Australia exports coal. However you need to explain what coal emissions you are talking about, in which country are they emitted.

      The EITS is supposed to compensate for where emissions are produced by producing an international "total" we can work to reduce. We don't have this yet.

      But if you keep telling Australians that what they are doing has no effect, they will stop trying. That is why it is better ignore the exported coal because it will be picked up in another country's ETS.

      Eventually. Hopefully there will be an international ETS that will account for all emissions.

      The main problem I see that we must agitate about, it Abbott's plan to totally remove funding from renewables and research into renewables. I wonder whose pocket he is in?

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:35PM
    • Tired of Spin

      There is only one atmosphere or do you know of another one?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:45PM
  • All the libs need to do now are put cartoon characters in their "costings" booklet and it will be just like a comic book!!..A FANTASY comic book!!

    Commenter
    Steeden
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:15PM
    • Steeds can't read? prefers colourful pictures. that makes sense given your postings. I think you keep bumping your caps lock by the way

      Commenter
      Taxpayer
      Location
      here
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:35PM
  • New warnings to Australian voters from The Greens:

    'The hour is later than you think. Sauron's forces are already moving, the nine have left Minas Morgal.

    They crossed the River Isen on Midsummers eve, disguised as riders in black'

    The price of Pixie dust is also expected to rise under Abbott

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:14PM
  • Christine Milne wants us to use the aid money for aid! How absurd!

    Commenter
    4Ken
    Location
    Auburn
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:13PM
    • Not quite .... Christine Milne wants us to use other people's money for aid.

      Commenter
      For Sure
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:32PM
    • I stand corrected. We pay the interest!

      Commenter
      4Ken
      Location
      Auburn
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 3:05PM
  • Someone needs to explain how "The Coalition's figures show it expects to save $14.6 billion from axing the mining tax, saving $18.6 billion in spending associated with Labor's tax,"
    Are they saying it requires a mammoth department within the ATO that dutifully counts every ounce of coal extracted. How can this figure possibly be correct?

    Commenter
    Qlder
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:11PM
    • Trust me..... its correct

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:22PM
    • That's a reference to all the programs funded by the tax that they're cutting, including the schoolkids bonus and various small business tax concessions.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:45PM
  • With so much fanfare promising all costings will be released "in good time", the cynicism, arrogance and hubris in the DNA of the Liberal Party was well and truly on display with the squirming and sweaty Joe Hockey today. Got nothing to hide, Joe, eh? You would imagine he would have been pleased as punch making his announcements, lingering sweetly on his knockout punch to the Labor Party, just 2 days out from the election. No, this scatterbrained, hurried, rushed, distracted performance of announcing such pathetic pronouncements just betrays his - and that of his Liberal colleagues - utter desperation just to get past the line, to get to the election without attracting attention and scrutiny. The Liberal's priority is to win the election at any cost, whatever it takes, and has no interest to govern Australia fairly and justly for all, for now and for the future. And we are expected to vote for such selfish, little people to lead our country?!? No way!

    Commenter
    fd
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:06PM
  • So Senator Milne and the Green Labor Alliance are opposed to building infrastructure in Australia.

    From the Senate she will be able to continue to try blocking spending in Australia.

    Commenter
    Vulture
    Location
    Gladesville
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:06PM
    • Vulture if the Coalition had spent money on infrastructure when they were in government last time instead of applying it to demonising refugees and pork barreling this would not be a problem.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:21PM
    • get it right now...no propaganda...she said:

      Senator Milne says it is "shocking" to suggest foreign aid should be cut to fund infrastructure

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:22PM
    • I don't think she's against infrastructure projects at all - just the rubbish ones the Liberals are proposing.

      Build a renewable energy solar thermal power station and she'd be all for it. She just doesn't see the point of spending billions of dollars on unnecessary roads when we don't even have an efficient public transport system.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:24PM
  • I wish this Christine Milne would realise that charity begins at home. When we have our own disasters, the government has to look at public donations to help the vctims because all the government spending is going overseas. I think she should take a good look at herself and her party. It is great to help third world countries, however we need the funding first to sustain it.

    Commenter
    J.G.
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:04PM
    • wow...all the selfish LNP reasons to vote LNP are coming out of the woodwork now......you've been hiding for 3 years....to say all govt spending is going overseas is pure hogwash

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:28PM
    • J.G.
      Maybe you could try going overseas and comparing their lifestyles to ours. I am a pensioner and have just returned from a Cambodia holiday. The day I returned I emptied my bank accounts and transferred the money to orphanages in Seim Reap and Phomn Penh.
      If a silly old pensioner can help the poorest people in the world then the 12th richest country can certainly help.
      I believe that this breaks another of Abbott's promises. He must have the record for the most number of broken promises for an Opposition Leader by a country mile.

      Commenter
      Qlder
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:39PM
    • How totally selfish.

      Australia is one of the wealthiest countries in the world and at the moment have the best economy of the G20 countries.

      It is a question of responsibility and humanity.

      In my Christian upbringing. I was taught to care for the poor and vulnerable.

      It is a question of values. I cannot believe that Australians have become a selfish, "me" centred population.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:43PM
    • JG, what a perverse view of the world. In Phnom Penh ATM, best you flog off some of your extra TVs and come have a look at the real world away from your closeted view of life.
      Crikey, you lot I do despair for.
      You've got absolutely no idea. I doubt you've even done anything to help the truly disenfranchised in OZ either.
      Armchair whinger

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:58PM
  • Abbott's hatred of public transport on display once again.

    Brisbane Cross River Rail will not go ahead under Abbott.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:03PM
    • Who cares, row ....

      Commenter
      ET
      Location
      Lakesland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:24PM
    • Great response "ET".

      Next time you phone home get the latest update.

      You're still in 1950.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:50PM
  • Start deducting the cost per refugee from the aid to Indonesia. Boats will stop real fast!

    Lets be really honest out there folksy how can you give people aid if you don't have it to give!

    Commenter
    4Ken
    Location
    Auburn
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:02PM
    • Yep.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:23PM
    • That makes it alright to break international conventions that Australia has signed into, Hate to be Australia's chair at the UN

      Commenter
      Tim
      Location
      InnerCity
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:25PM
    • Tim.

      With charter UN Charter is doomed and a Paper Shredder is required.

      It is old and written some 50 years ago to deal with situations then not now.

      Time for a new charter.

      My personal view is that the UN is morally bankrupt.

      It has no balls and we should also cut our aid to the UN as well.

      Nice to have nice big white trucks and guns, if your into them. But, it doesn't feed the people in need!

      Get of your very high horse and learn to eat the green grass!

      Commenter
      4Ken
      Location
      Auburn
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 3:02PM
  • Two thirds of Queensland is in drought.

    Farmers walking away from their properties.

    Farmers committing suicide.

    And Abbott's Shadow Minister makes jokes.

    That would be Joe "don't know" Hockey.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:01PM
    • Frazzles

      You are crossing the line with your latest post. A giggle occasionally; but in this instance......Grow UP!

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:39PM
    • @"Skeptic"

      Refute it.

      Then attack me.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:47PM
  • $1 million for a Commission of Audit.

    Let me see . . .

    "Labor left us in the lurch. We need to save money by cutting programs. Weren't they a naughty mob, that Labor?"

    Signed - a suitable LNP hack.

    There you are - Commission of Audit already signed, sealed and published for critical review. Where do I send my invoice?

    Commenter
    Grizwald
    Location
    Alexandria
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:01PM
  • Judith Ireland did an excellent job yesterday.

    Commenter
    Sharron
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 2:00PM
  • Their costings are still blowing out, they are still promising like the same number of drunken sailors as the US Pacific Fleet after happy hour.

    Commenter
    cycloniq
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:59PM
  • Stuff starving children.

    Women in professions need $75,000 maternity leave?

    To hell with climate change.

    We are all equal under the law but not if you are gay.

    Vote for the Coalition for a meaningful life?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:58PM
    • No.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:19PM
    • Beautifully put Pen! Hey, you are good at both the long and short comment.

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:27PM
    • The children!!

      Won't somebody please think of the children!!

      Commenter
      Smokin Mo
      Location
      Ryde
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 3:12PM
  • "Direct Action" fails when it comes to releasing cost.

    Fraudband falls over when it comes to cost.

    Foreign Aid appears to have been costed by Cardinal Pell.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:57PM
  • The amount of sweat pouring off Hockey lead me to think that he was going to have to rush forward the purchase of an Indonesian fishing boat so that everyone in the room could be saved from drowning.

    Commenter
    CPS
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:55PM
  • No matter what Abbott & Morrison say ... refugees are human.

    Knock off the dog whistle.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:53PM
    • If you can hear a dog whistle you must be the intended recipient. Shame on you.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:39PM
    • @"nulla"

      I see it in replies like yours.

      It woke you up.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:49PM
  • Abbott & Hockey aren't even in power yet and they are laready planning to be mean and tricky........watch out Australia!

    Commenter
    winos54
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:53PM
  • Hint for the LNP on Thursday.

    Do not go to a car wash on Thursday.

    The economy is so bad you be be in a long line waiting.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:52PM
  • Abbott and Hockey stopping foreign aid. Well well the true LNP values are coming out now.

    So the children from the third world country have to starve while the rich LNP women have their baby bonus.

    Is this a Tony Abbott policy or a Rupert Murdoch policy? Of course no anti-murdoch posts will be printed.

    The Abbott nazi regime begins Sunday if Abbott wins the election.

    Commenter
    Sharron
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:47PM
    • And yet it was the ALP who tried to muzzle the press.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:15PM
    • The ALP didn't try to muzzle the press. The ALP wanted some kind of truth and accountability to be returned to the press.

      The people muzzling free speech are the media moguls refusing to run ads by GetUp, refusing to run honest stories about the Coalition, and instead running complete BS in order to get a government who serves their interests rather than all Australia.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:24PM
    • "Puzzled" is still trying to figure out the Terrograph front page.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:33PM
    • Fairdinkum Shazza you just called the coalition Nazis...
      Because thats what you do when you are winning an argument

      #GodwinsLaw

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:35PM
  • Don't the LNP ever think past their own self interests?

    The chief executive of UNICEF Australia, Norman Gillepsie, says.
    "Mr Hockey may well wish to argue the economy will grow faster under a Coalition but his costings are at the expense of children's lives."

    If the LNP had ANY morals they'd axe the PPL scheme before cutting aid.

    The PPL isn't funded by the 1.5% company tax, it'll come straight out of general revenue and impact on many more urgent requirements.

    Commenter
    Mr Ed
    Location
    Katoomba
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:46PM
  • UNICEF showing their real political colours at last-? A shrill knee jerk comment by their "leader" - a good way to win friends and influ..... NOT

    Commenter
    gc
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:40PM
    • Yeah damend Unicef looking out for the poorest and most disadvantaged, don't they know that some wealthy women wnat to maintain their lifestyles after they have had a baby!!

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:49PM
    • Another load of rubbish. No matter who suggests a massive cut to foreign aid, the head of Unicef would have complained. It's just that the mean hearted Liberals are suggesting it because they don't have a problem with children dying.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:53PM
    • gc.........Denigrating an organization like UNICEF is pretty pathetic mate. So I take it you would like Abbott's Director of Policy to give them a call and tell them "we are going to cut your throats". just as he did with an indigenous NGO?

      Commenter
      $16 million for Cadbury.$0 for the third world
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:54PM
    • Thankfully Murdoch & Corbett haven't had anything to say.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:10PM
    • I am really ashamed to be Australian.

      I expect some proportion of my taxes to go to foreign aid.

      We will get a bad international reputation, and Mr Abbott, it is NOT Christian!

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:20PM
    • Picture a naked skeletal young child covered in filth and sores amidst a cloud of fly’s and holding an empty and dirty plastic water container?

      Vote for Abbott?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:23PM
    • Costings evaluation: “All of 0.375 per cent. It’s not even a rounding error. A half-decent Queensland storm can blow that away in half an hour?”

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:40PM
    • Picture a naked skeletal young child covered in filth and sores amidst a cloud of fly’s and holding an empty and dirty plastic water container?

      Vote for Abbott?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:42PM
    • Pen - picture a fat cat UNICEF official sitting and watching it is more to the point - do you really think all UNICEF officials are pure as snow - I know they are not . Ever been to a 3rd world country ?

      Commenter
      gc
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:42PM
  • Listen to what your parents told you people.....that is if someone can't look you in the eye and be honest then don't give them the time of day.

    Abbott and Hockey have squirmed their way in, out and around and have still told us nothing but give us glib one liners or one pagers.

    Abbott and Hockey do not deserve the time of day!

    Commenter
    SORAGU
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:39PM
    • What would your parents say about Rudd and his never ever challenge for the ALP Leadership again and I will be in PM Gillard's corner to fight off any challenge to her leadership.
      Or Gillard's "there will be no carbon tax under a Govt I lead"
      If you can't tell that those two ALP Leaders have lied you can not pass judgement on Abbott and Hockey.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:49PM
    • Terry........
      Here Abbott at his best.

      The Sydney Morning Herald reported on March 11 2000: "Challenged about the conflict between this (that is the solicitor's offer to Sharples) and his denial on Four Corners, Abbott initially replies, 'Misleading the ABC is not quite the same as misleading the public as a political crime'."
      http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/08/27/1061663853365.html
      It astonishes me that people seem to have forgotten Abbott's long standing rap sheet.

      Commenter
      Honest Politics anyone?
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:23PM
    • The way the media let Abbott, Hockey and co scream about Gillard as a liar without pointing out their hypocrisy - and the way they've let them complain about Labor scare campaigns with a straight face- are among the bigger signs of the staggering media bias of the past few years.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:47PM
  • come on all you rusted on limpers.....tell me now why you think that a $20m marriage $200 voucher is a good productive use of taxpayers money....geeez if they need counselling before they are married...hey they shouldn't get married? All you lot who have espoused the evils of Labor' use of taxpayers money over the last 6 years....may you choke on your words

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:36PM
    • Whatever they were smoking when they came up with that policy, I want some of!

      Commenter
      AtomicNirvana
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:42PM
    • atleast Libs are not writing millions in $ 900 cheque to dead people and work holiday visa people who will never come back to australia. And still its just an idea it might be introduced in 2nd term of abbott govt.

      Commenter
      Count
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:44PM
    • That one is almost as stupid as the buy the Indonesian boat fleet policy. Oh well, at least it can be achieved.

      Hey Liberal Lovers, how about we track the progress of the buy up the Indonesian boat fleet policy once Abbott is in power. Lets see if he achieves his goals.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:51PM
    • You don't get it and you never will.. It doesn't matter about Liberal policy! It doesn’t matter about Joes costing’s OR 200 bucks for marriage counselling.. Tony could punch Kylie Minogue* in the face and we would still vote for him because he is not Labor. He is not Kevin, He is not Julia. We're voting Labor out, not voting Tony in. So trying to stop us voting for Tony shows you are missing the point. You need to try and stop people voting Labor out! Nobody has tried that at all. Nobody on the Labor campaign has attempted to make a positive case why we should vote for Labor again, they have only attempted to convince us to NOT vote for Tony. Labor HQ like you have missed the point entirely, and will lose the election on that basis.

      *http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/hard-hat-on-rudd-works-madly-to-avert-the-crash-20130904-2t5m1.html

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:26PM
    • come in spinner cwitty......you're all getting hot under the collar and all the bile is spewing forth.....someone has to be on this blog to counter the ridiculous propaganda put forward by the LNP over the last long 6 years...but now I forecast that the House of Reps will become a comedy festival and that the Senate are going to have the best time repealing every stupid lunatic idiotic bill put to them. Its going to be fun.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:47PM
  • 3:27pm: Mr Albanese says the Coalition is the "favourite to win" on Saturday but he believes Labor can win

    Also rates Phar Lap an outside chance for the Melbourne Cup

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:33PM
    • Phar Lap would make a better PM than Abbott. Hockey is a farce. Cutting humanitarian intake at a time when Sweden (tiny Sweden) has just opened it's borders to the Syrians. I can't believe this country. Australia has become the pits and will go right down under a Liberal government.

      Commenter
      juletjones
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:14PM
    • Really I've seen quite a few Labor and Liberal governments come and go, and frankly things have generally carried on a much as before with all of them.

      I guess you'll just have spend a decade gnashing your teeth.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:56PM
  • Abbott will need a green army alright...they will be needed to clean up all the dribble coming from Abbott and Hockey

    Commenter
    Tory Tony
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:31PM
    • Or maybe clean up the tears of agony from your face when you see your illustrious comrade losing the election on Saturday.

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:54PM
    • have you realised that this country is Australia...not Russia.....we don't use that term here mate.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:15PM
    • Could have fooled me comrade.

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 3:00PM
  • Note to "aspirational" voters:

    1. You will never be "rich"
    2. You will always work for someone else for a wage or salary
    3. Someone else will always earn more than you and have more "things"
    4. You will need hospital treatment at some stage during your life
    5. More than likely you will need government support when you retire
    6. You are actually "working class" (as are 80% of voters)
    7. Oh, and you'll never win lotto

    Good luck!

    Commenter
    AtomicNirvana
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:26PM
    • Speak for yourself. I'm a rusted on Liberal voter and if I suck up enough and travel on the coat-tails of those more successful than me then I will eventually get rich too. Sure, it will only be breadcrumbs, but I'll have more breadcrumbs than you, so there!

      Commenter
      Rusted on Liberal Voter
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:30PM
    • Sure, it will only be breadcrumbs, but I'll have more breadcrumbs than you, so there!

      Proves my assertion about LNP voters as greedy selfish mean spirited so and sos who care for themselves only and to hell with the rest of you......

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:42PM
    • Atomic
      Are you accussing them of acting above their station?

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:51PM
    • Yes, you got it. I only care about number 1. Me me me. No soup for you.

      Commenter
      Rusted on Liberal Voter
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:21PM
  • Ha! Labor and media have been "rope-a-doped". Abbott and Hockey have sucked them in to burning calories and column inches on the "terrible costings" that LNP was hiding. Pretending to be evasive. Now on the eve of the election it's plain that everyon has spent weeks wasting their time worrying about nothing. Time that could have been spent fulminating about other issues. Classic strategy.

    Commenter
    Kaz
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:25PM
    • Kaz, I hope you don't own a credit card

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:31PM
  • OMG, OMG, can you believe that marriage voucher handout of $200? They get it if they attend a conflict resolution education before they get married? Why do they need this, I thought that Tony thinks marriage between men and women was perfect? THIS IS WORSE WORSE WORSE than any school halls program.....CHANGE YOUR VOTE NOW

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:25PM
    • Thank you for that message from Mr Obama's spin team.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:39PM
    • It will be needed if gay marriage is legislated - tiffs all over the place

      Commenter
      gc
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:42PM
    • Tim...if you haven't noticed....Obama lives in the US and is not a citizen here.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:46PM
    • and then Tim, give me a laugh....go on somehow defend this as a good way to spend twenty million dollars of taxpayers money.....betcha can't .....weak gutless cowards after spruiking on about school halls and insulation...for 6 years.....parroted rubbish

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:49PM
    • They are paying for it with the demise of the School Kids bonus.

      I hope the counselling includes how much it costs to raise children!

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:59PM
  • I just watched Sloppy Joe have a complete melt down live on TV trying to explain his SHAMBOLIC costings!!..His fumbling and bumbling were embarrassing!!

    Commenter
    Steeden
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:24PM
    • The amount of sweat pouring off Hockey lead me to think that he was going to have to rush forward the purchase of an Indonesian fishing boat so that everyone in the room could be saved from drowning.

      Commenter
      CPS
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:36PM
  • http://www.watoday.com.au/business/the-economy/hockey-closes-campaign-with-a-joke-20130905-2t7ab.html

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:21PM
    • Good and true summary too bad it is buried down in the business section where is the "budget emergency"

      Commenter
      Pieron
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:33PM
    • Yes, and the joke is on the Australian people. Gina and Rupert will be laughing all the way to the bank!

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:36PM
  • Sorry Albo,

    When you say "They're not policy costings..."you are supposed to say "this is a policy costing" and then pull out something bigger and more credible than the one presented.

    Commenter
    Vulture
    Location
    Gladesville
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:21PM
    • Is that playing by the book? Let me guess its from "Vultures Big Book of Political Procedure"

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:19PM
  • WASTE; WASTE; WASTE
    Here's a really good sensible policy proposal.....wow the next 3 years are going to be comedy highlights.........THE Coalition will provide a $200 voucher to all couples when they register their "intention to marry" -- and that includes gay couples even though it isn't legal for them to get married.

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:21PM
    • Don't worry, no one in their right mind will claim it and the Liberals know it.

      You would have to visit a counsellor more than one time and pay the counsellor more than $200 to receive just $200. To do that you'l need to go through all the usual bureaucratic BS.

      This policy is a waste of time and they know it. They should be ashamed of themselves with this crap.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:06PM
  • For the last three years the Coalition have said they are "ready for an election tomorrow", after listening to Joe for 25 minutes they're lucky this one isn't until Saturday...

    Commenter
    tasch2
    Location
    Mornington Peninsula
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:19PM
  • .

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    3:09pm: The Coalition's plan to trial marriage vouchers would cost $20 million over two years and its commission of audit would cost $1 million

    Maybe they should put cigarette type warnings on the license, "this ceremony might lead to a life time of nagging and banality".

    Oops, I shouldn't have said that it could discourage the young folk.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:18PM
    • I'm just surprised it's not a policy that will pay you a hundred dollars if you're married when you die - you know, the usual impossible to get policy, fully costed, of course.

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:32PM
  • Let’s summarise the last 6 years of labor:

    *2 sackings of PM's
    *Mass resignation of ministers who refuse to serve under Rudd
    *Budget blowouts averaging $30 billion each year (and labor have the nerve to question the coalition costings)
    *Mass arrivals of immigrants by boat resulting in hundreds and maybe thousands of deaths
    *Pink batts scheme not thought through resulting in deaths
    *Stimulus package not planned resulting in mass waste of money - even today
    *Broken election promises (eg no carbon tax under the government I lead)
    *No surplus since the Howard years
    *Mass inner fighting amongst labor caucus
    *Rudd Flip flopping on the greatest moral challenge of our time
    *Rudd making up policy on the run during the campaign.

    These are just some of the adventures brought to you by the labor party.

    Imagine what another 3 years of these clowns would bring.

    Commenter
    kp
    Location
    brisbane
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:17PM
    • Wow a rollout of slogans, lets what the future holds.
      Jaymes Diaz
      Fiona Scott
      Boat buy backs
      Scott Morrison
      $200 dollar marriage vouchers
      No foriegn aid
      Nop "Budget surplus"
      PPL
      Mr Kings micro chip shootings.
      Yeah the past was bad but the future is so much brighter

      Commenter
      Pieron
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:40PM
    • Yes kp

      There are no good key performance indicators there for Labor to write home about.

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:41PM
    • ... and we all know that your list is incomplete!! Why would anyone trust them - well, 30% 'strange' people do - what happens to us?

      Commenter
      ET
      Location
      Lakesland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:44PM
    • What is "*Mass inner fighting"

      Sounds like something that would happen on PolliePedal

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:07PM
    • Yes there are Yys.

      Listen to Rudd's Press Club speech. Rudd listed them all.

      I was unaware of some of them like the National Transplant Bank.

      But I am concerned, no livid, that money is being taken out of the Murrumbidgee Darling project. That is the way to ruin prime agricultural land and destroy habitat of national importance.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:08PM
  • there's still time Australia.....all you have to do is change your vote if you are in a marginal seat and preference the coalition last......if you told the polls one thing then vote the other way......don't you just disrespect sporting people who think they've won before they actually do? Tickets please....

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:14PM
  • $20m for marriage counselling - clearly money well spent!

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:13PM
  • It's official!!
    Newman style of Costello dodgy "commission of AUDIT" coming up from Abbott folks!!!

    There's going to be many people saying "I told you so"
    so expect "sackings , sackings and more sackings"
    and expect from ABBott "aahh...ahhh there's more debt than we expected so we'll have to "privatise all health etc" (sell off to buddies for a song) ....

    Commenter
    LNP Newman style Abbott revealed
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:10PM
    • Also sale of government property after saying they would seek a mandate for asset sales.

      Closure of half Qld TAFE campuses.

      Change to the TAFE teachers Award - to a 6 day week, spread of hours from 6am to 10pm, and loss of all teaching conditions comparable to high school teachers eg a 48 week teaching year.

      Invitation to VET private providers to rent TAFE facilities in competition with qld TAFE .
      It gets worse!

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:16PM
  • No mention on how much it will cost to buy back people smugglers boats?

    Commenter
    Tory Tony
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:06PM
  • 25 minutes and all we got was a sweaty towel. Democracy pack your bags you have become redundant.

    Commenter
    Sneeky Joe and the magic pudding
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:06PM
  • Labor will have a field day with these bogus costings!!..No wonder they kept it quiet until now!!

    Commenter
    Steeden
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:05PM
    • You still haven't got it eh ? - ALP is a dead duck for at least the next 12 years- which seems a worthwhile sentence for their incompetence over the last 6

      Commenter
      gc
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:16PM
    • Steeden,
      Labor are already out in the fields!
      Enjoy your weekend Steeden, and remember "Vote early, vote often"

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:17PM
    • Hockey finished at 2.56.

      Steeden has it critically analysed and dissected by 3.05

      Desperation, pathetic desperation

      Commenter
      Louis Cypher
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:22PM
    • Steeden........ You must be doing something right mate. The cheerleaders have gone into a hyperbolic, vitriolic meltdown. Quite unexpected and out of character.LOL

      Commenter
      I like Steeden ( Tony loves Rupert)
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:32PM
  • Joe didn't look at all well.

    Goes to show this politics game is a tough gig and the show must go on.

    All strength to him.

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:04PM
    • Sweating on all the lies and deceit he will have to justify in coming months

      Commenter
      AtomicNirvana
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:12PM
    • Good luck Joe, I hope that you will fare much much better than what we know of you.

      Commenter
      Prosper
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:12PM
    • Tim.......Evasiveness, nervousness and refusing to be scrutinized is a sign of illness is it. Looks like Abbott and co might have the Plague.

      Commenter
      Bronwyn for Sleeper..I mean Speaker
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:19PM
    • No Joe is selling a lemon, he has basically said nothing, no wonder he waited so long for his nothing figures.

      Commenter
      Pieron
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:25PM
  • Quote from Joe Hockey..
    "The Labor Party is broken".

    Not just internally, economically, deceit to the public and in any way you can think...and hence the forthcoming flogging.

    Commenter
    Vulture
    Location
    Gladesville
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:02PM
    • I think Hockeynomics is broken. We are electing a government of economic incompetents. Yay for us.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:15PM
  • "No more lies from Labor...." Joe Hockey

    Only from LNP.

    Commenter
    AL
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 1:02PM
  • So, less than 25 minutes to reveal how they will pay their policies, and it looks as if they will win on Saturday. Yup, we are mugs and we are certainly going to get the government we deserve.

    Commenter
    paul of chester
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 12:59PM
    • Unfortunately that is the truth.

      Commenter
      Pieron
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:08PM
  • This is the kind of infrastructure PM I like to see. Building the Sydney WestConnex and Melbourne's East-West motorways. Why couldn't Labor come up with these nation building projects instead of handing out $900 or giving laptops away to buy your votes or handing over cash to corrupted governments in foreign aids or waste the taxpayer moneys on other useless schemes? I definitely will vote Liberal to be the nation building government l!

    Commenter
    PLe
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 12:57PM
    • Hahahahaha....like all those nation building projects they did during the Howard 11 years...now let me remember...

      Commenter
      AtomicNirvana
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:01PM
    • The majority of people in Melb would prefer the money to be spent on the Metro Train project the ALP has promised to fund, especialy as the business case for the east west link is highly dubious.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:04PM
    • What a load of rubbish. Only the Liberal Party and their members want the East-West link in Melbourne. Everyone else wants them to fix public transport first.

      There's been no cost/benefits study done on this project and it just wreaks of an attempt to hoodwink the community and shift public money into their mates private hands.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:13PM
    • Labor delivered 4,500 individual building projects.... including ports, road and rail. The Government which funded more Infrastructure Projects in our history was Rudd/Gillard Labor. Slammed repeatedly as 'wasteful spending".
      Infrastructure Tony Abbott will require a little more than knitting to claim himself as any Infrastructure Prime Minister. Just as the Infrastructure State Premier O'Farrell better get a wriggle on if he is seeking to claim any titles he also made at his own election. All of State Labor Projects and the Stimulus projects of Rudd and Gillard are at their final stages. A lot of workers will be seeking jobs in the New Year when that occurs.

      Commenter
      CharlesC
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:24PM
    • Are you kidding? Abbott has already broken one of his election promises and it involves the East-West Link.

      Abbott's "Real Solutions" booklet states "all Commonwealth-funded projects worth more than $100 million to undergo a cost-benefit analysis by Infrastructure Australia".

      Tony Abbott has already ruled that out for the East-West link.

      Commenter
      PTA
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:53PM
  • How can you count reducing foreign aid by $4.5b as a saving when go and spend it on roads straight away?
    The overall spending stays the same.
    When are we going to see the REAL savings?

    Commenter
    Mathew
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 12:55PM
    • Now you are just missing the point...they will be reducing debt by $16bn over the next 4 years...geez go all out guys. Perhaps the economy is a little more complicated than their 3 word slogans...

      Commenter
      AtomicNirvana
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:04PM
    • And that's gross debt not net debt.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:11PM
    • There was a point to that speech?

      Commenter
      Mathew
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:19PM
  • "As well, the Coalition will re prioritise foreign aid allocations towards non government organisations that deliver on the ground support for those most in need,"

    Uh oh, I don't think the PNG government officials will be too happy with this. That would be taking away their trough! Real estate prices will collapse in Cairns.

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 12:52PM
  • Why is Joe sweating so profusely?...Not a good look.

    Commenter
    Peter Allan
    Location
    Brisbane
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 12:52PM
    • Wouldn't you be sweating if you had to figure out how you are going to defend all the lies and broken promises in coming months....

      Commenter
      AtomicNirvana
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:05PM
  • There goes a bit more of the environment pen.....the water buyback scheme.....Australians will get what they deserve if they vote for them....

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 12:52PM
  • Well Rudd can't complain, I can't remember any Australian politician getting to be PM twice in two terms, or getting booted out by both Labor and the Libs.

    Surely this a first of sorts?

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 12:51PM
    • There's been quite a few firsts in the last 6 years. Hopefully, they'll have been lasts as well.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:00PM
  • Just wondering how many times we can increase the efficiency dividend on the public service - from memory the ALP has done it at least twice in recent year and now the Libs are doing it again.

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 12:51PM
    • It's a polite way of saying "service cuts"

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:16PM
    • It means they are giving advance warning of public service cuts.

      In Qld, there was no advance warning. Newman said that public servants had nothing to fear from him, and weeks later started to cut 12,000. Public servants. It is much more now.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:49PM
  • Pulse at 2.42

    I think it is a pity if the Coalition have to take money out of the Foreign Aid budget as we are a nation with many advantages but guess we have to get the budget back on track before the foreign aid can resume to capacity.

    Commenter
    yys
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 12:50PM
    • There was a report recently that said if we took what we spent on trying to prevent & housing Sri Lankan Refguees and spent it on Foreign aid to Sri Lanka we would dramatically diminish the amount of Sri Lankan's seeking refugees.

      Cutting foreign aid is never a good thing.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:02PM
    • We could always keep the foreign aid going to the wolrds poorest and cut back on PPL for high income earners?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:07PM
    • They are taking money out of foreign aid so they can pay for marriage vouchers.

      Commenter
      Peter A
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:16PM
    • I asked the 3 star general and he said it was being shifted sideways to pay for the undisclosed secret boat arrivals.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:16PM
    • The changes that the Coalition has shown only saves 0.26% of the nett 13% of GDP debt.

      That is a pittance.

      Why do we have to withdraw aid to the most vulnerable people so we can fund Abbott's wealthy women to have babies?

      I am sorry but Liberal priorities are wrong.

      Take from the poor and vulnerable. They have not told us what the changes will be to Tax Benefit A and B yet, but the Schoolkid's bonus is definitely going.

      They can give $23 million to a chocolate factory but ignore father car industry.

      There are no figures for Three major policies and they say they will not provide them.

      Be afraid, be very afraid.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:35PM
    • Well it won't make Abbott look like a Statesman on the International Stage.

      Australia is already being criticised internationally a a "wealthy" country that is not pulling its international weight.

      But I suppose it is OK to be insular. I wonder when Abbott will wake up and realise that his actions will impact on international trade.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:40PM
    • All you guys who have commented on my initial comment

      Clearly that is the Opposition's prerogative to choose where the money is coming from.
      If you are not in favour of a Liberal/Coaltion government after Saturday then nothing much about their priorities is likely to please you. We can look at the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd governments and place the problem fairly and squarely at their feet.
      They have emptied the cupboards and left nothing.
      As a consequence we will temporarily need to cut Foreign Aid. You will just have to live with that as we learn to live within our means.

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:57PM
    • Also we need to look after our own needy first.
      Charity begins at home.

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:01PM
    • Charity begins at home with the Liberals. No matter how rich they get, they will always feel inferior to the next person, so they will be mean and keep it all for themselves. Charity begins at home is just a reason to be selfish, with more me, me, me. There is no you in Liberal but there is definitely "I" "I" "I"

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:11PM
    • The budget IS on track. This is Liberal Party policy. For that is in their DNA; help only Australians and even then, not the poor. Ever.

      Commenter
      juletjones
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:36PM
    • Good one Tone, but it shows who you really are.
      We are sending aid to Indonesia and Vietnam of all places. They are currently spending Many many Billions on their army and navy.
      We are sending aid to them while our pensioners are on the breadline.
      Shame on you!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 3:10PM
  • Cut foreign aid - about time, well done Coalition

    Commenter
    gc
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 12:44PM
    • +1

      Commenter
      midem
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:01PM
    • Yeah because we are all doing it so tough. I mean, I can't afford my 3rd TV or 2nd luxury 4WD, and don't talk about the $60k per annum to send my 3 kids to private school, or my $5k power bill to run all my TVs, pool pump, air conditioners 24/7. What's in it for me?

      Commenter
      AtomicNirvana
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:08PM
    • -1m

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:12PM
    • Yes, the Liberal Party, a party of me me me and xenephobes.

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:18PM
  • Maybe Joe is sweating from over tiredness

    Commenter
    Rough-Ready
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 12:44PM
  • "It is unsustainable to continue massive projected growth in foreign aid funding whilst the Australian economy continues at below trend growth. Australia needs a stronger economy today so that it can be more generous in the future."

    I'm OK, the hell with you........didn't take them long to show the true colours.....

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 12:44PM
  • I’ve never understood our obsession with GDP.

    GDP is an abstraction. It’s got nothing to do with economic growth, it’s just a reflection of money expenditure on goods and services, and It’s not in any way a measure of social progress.

    I think as a nation we should focus and obsess more on social progress. Money should be spent on social progress. Instead of building school halls, build more schools. Build more child care centres, so more parents can go back to work. Improve social services.

    Commenter
    Barto
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 12:42PM
  • No so many ALP supporters on here today - given up I suppose and gone to the Pub with Wong, Plebsick , Albo etc- anywhere to get away from hearing their dishonourable leader

    Commenter
    gc
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 12:36PM
  • I feel sorry for those brain washed ALP supporters who failed to see Labor has failed them over the past 6 years. Ask yourself, what achievements have they done other than a huge debt. Mr Dudd is nothing but a silver-tongue lying hollow man - all talks and no action. Would you like to see the debt goes up to $700b in the next 3 years? I certainly wouldn't. Any company CEO with this kind of mis-management would have been sacked and kicked out long ago. Wake up ALP supporters!!

    Commenter
    PLe
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 12:34PM
  • "The truth is it would not be the same Australia of a fair go for all. It would be a radically different Australia where there is a far go for some. I don't want an Australia that is divided into winners and losers. I don't want an Australia that is wrapped in dispute and division and thrown into a new culture of confrontation."

    Rudd......they can't do it in 3 years....they will try but not enough time......we will wake up as a nation and vote ALP in again in 3 years, but sorry not you.

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 12:25PM
    • JT

      I presume you are referring to the current series of Big Brother?

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:09PM
  • picture @ 2.18 "Coalition Savings" a portent that the Headline is the same colour as their "savings"...

    Commenter
    tasch2
    Location
    Mornington Peninsula
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 12:22PM
    • I think he's covering the words "Total Crap" at the bottom with his hand.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:38PM
    • But no details of their cuts!

      Newman was the same. He hid his cuts from Queenslanders. He even said, "no public servant has anything to fear from me.." and proceeded to sack 20,000 public servants, casuals and contractors.

      Then the Commission of Audit identified many more areas for cuts.

      The whole section of the public service were privatised and the Industrial Court had to order that public servants ( in this case medical scientists) had to be continued on ther existing pay scale when they were moved across to private industry.
      Now some departments have less than a third of their staff left and hospital regions are still making front line cuts. ( that was another promise of Newman's. - no front line cuts.)

      Now everything has to be "contestable" ie if private industry can do it cheaper, than private industry gets the service, supposedly, but government contracts are becoming more and more lucrative, while people have had large pay cuts..

      So the score is government services Nil, private industry, sitting pretty and the consumer, well he loses out!

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:50PM
  • Whether Labor or Liberal win on Saturday, one lot of rent seekers will be able to pull the strings. Whether it's Labor and their Union mates or the Liberals with their business mates, they will be asking taxpayers to impose an implicit tax or penalty on everyone else (through higher prices, etc) to push their positions and make life better for themselves.

    This is why I am not happy about unionists or business people running the country.

    Because of this rent seeking, business people are exactly the opposite of what's good for the economy.

    The same goes with unionists. They are just another type of rent seeker.

    The only real difference between the two is that the Liberals represent 1% of the population (the wealthiest people), whereas Labor represents 17% of the population (the unions).

    Personally, if we have to have one of these groups in power, I would rather it be the 17%, because they are more likely to have common interests with the general population.

    Commenter
    Tone
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 12:13PM
    • I wouldn't put Eddie Obeid and his other NSW Labor Right mates into the impoverished category.

      You are simply pushing a class warfare that doesn't exist anymore.

      Plenty of wealthy property developers have been supporting the NSW ALP.

      Commenter
      Vulture
      Location
      Gladesville
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:38PM
    • Unfortunately the unions only represent 1% of their members: Those with the union credit cards and political aspirations. Brings your number on that side down to 0.17%.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:39PM
    • Really Tone. The LNP represnet 1% of the population. Do you get your figures form the same place Bowen and WOng get theirs about black holes?

      Remind again about how the LNP only bring in regressive policies...yadda yadda yadda....it wasn't boring the first 100 times you mentioned it!!

      Commenter
      Smokin Mo
      Location
      Ryde
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:41PM
    • Tone

      Didn't realise you held a senior position at the Aust Bureau of Stats?

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:12PM
    • Only 1.5% of the population belong to political parties. Of that 1.5%, only 1% of each political party actually controls the political party. I have spoken to members of both the Labor Party and the Liberal Party and have been told that no matter what happens at the branch level, headquarters will always do their own thing anyway.

      You people are deluded.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:25PM
  • Photo @ 1:41pm. Why would Rudd remove his watch to deliver a speech?

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 12:10PM
    • You put the watch on the lecturn and when you look down at the notes you see how you are travelling for time, it helps to prevent rushing your delivery or getting caught short.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:17PM
    • Thanks, Macca.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:34PM
    • Lewis, I see nothing untoward about KR doing that. Some speakers however go even further by having stop watches (or similar) to match actual delivery timing against pd delivery timing. Its all about the execution, the message, the timing, and the ability to pace your presentation.

      Commenter
      Grant
      Location
      Mitcham
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:08PM
  • Whoever wins on Saturday will be faced with the following:
    - inflation rising outside of RBA's band (all our suppliers have recently increased prices by 5-10%)
    - interest rates will increase as a result of inflation rising
    - unemployment will continue to rise
    - cost of living will increase
    - GDP growth will languish

    Best of luck!

    Commenter
    AtomicNirvana
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 12:05PM
  • @ 1.09.
    This is not a scare campaign. BOO!

    Commenter
    dcs
    Location
    Brisbane
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 12:02PM
  • God save Kevin Rudd as nothing will save the Labor Party from political annihilation

    Commenter
    Gerald
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 11:57AM
  • The PM talked about past ALP PM's but omitted Julia Gillard - absolute disgrace -even the rusted on ALP's would have to agree - just wait until Sunday and all the verballing start (hey it may start on Saturday night when there is a new govt elected) - and I hope Julia Gillard has quite a lot to say >>> and for J Fraser - no I am not an LNP staffer >>>

    Commenter
    Baltic13
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 11:56AM
    • You were not listening. He gave Julia Gillard credit for all of her achievements, including the NDIS!

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:01PM
  • A friend at Holdens has shown me a design for the new Holden to be released next year. They figure that the coalition will be taking us so far "back to the future" that the new model has fins and white-wall tyres. Looks pretty snazzy in a retro daggy-dad kind of way.

    Commenter
    mitch of ACT
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 11:49AM
    • What a coincidence a friend of mine at Holden showed me what they're working on if Rudd wins.

      Its got two stone rollers, one at each end and a hole in floor for your feet to power it.

      Apparently they reckon thats all Aussies will be able to afford in another 3 years.

      Yabbba dabba do!

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:25PM
    • Will the bubble car be faster than the LNP broadband solution?

      Commenter
      GuybrushThreepwood
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:56PM
    • SteveH, at least the stone rollers are round; Abbott's team are still debating whether knocking off the corners is absolutely necessary.

      Commenter
      jofek
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:03PM
    • Glad to see you're still with us jofek, so many have gone missing lately

      The flak over the ball bearing plants at Schweinfurt has been terrible this year.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:13PM
  • That was a great presentation by a man of vision.

    I am disappointed that so much that the electorate needs to know about Rudd and Labor and their successes were contained in this speech, and not made known in the last fourteens.

    Rudd is a statesman. Abbott is not. Abbott is constrained by his vision of the 1950s.

    Rudd is willing to take Australia into the next millennium.

    Finally I see in the comments a growing awareness that the bed bed bogeyman of deficit is not the issue after all, but the continuation of positive growth is.

    If Abbott gets in we will have a recession unless he listens to the wisdom from Treasury. Then he will have won government on a lie. After promising to pay back the debt, he will not do it.

    It is a pity that there was so little time between Rudd regaining the PM position and the election. He seems to be getting into his stride only now.

    Commenter
    TiredOfSpin
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 11:49AM
    • You are exactly right on one point Spin. Rudd is willing to take Australia into the next millenium. He has a vision of a 1000 year Rudd Reich. Just waiting for the costings of the Klones that will be developed to perpetually lead us throught it.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:17PM
    • "Rudd is willing to take Australia into the next millennium."

      Gosh, is the fountain of youth Rudd's next trick? What's that gonna cost us all?

      Commenter
      brian
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:18PM
    • For someone tired of spin you use a hell of a lot of it.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:24PM
    • Rudd is full of huff'npuff talk, that does not make him a statesman. In my view a statesman/statesperson builds a reputation for reliable outlook over time, follow through, wise comments and insight, Rudd has demonstrated the opposite - changeable moral values - lack of delivery on budgets - part of the internal dysfunction..

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:30PM
    • Is that all you can say?

      Would the Liberals have given us the NDIS that was a result of Rudd's 2008 think tank that was ridiculed?

      There are many more Labor achievements from the last 6 years that a Liberal Government would never has the foresight to give Australia.

      Why don't you listen to his speech?

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:11PM
  • Hang on! I thought they were the party of the little gay??

    Commenter
    Puzzled
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 11:48AM
    • As opposed to the party of the catholic north shore white women?

      Commenter
      Mathew
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:43PM
  • Worth a look for those interested in some facts around the debate -

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/09/05/labors-economic-record-hits-and-a-couple-of-misses/

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 11:46AM
  • Nothing new from rudd just the same old lines over and over again,lib are bad we are good .

    Commenter
    justone
    Location
    vic
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 11:44AM
    • It's true. It's just that the human condition allows for narcissism, and the majority appear to want the bad in power.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:37PM
  • If Labor really wanted to help 'the little guy' as Rudd claims at the Press Club today they would have been better stewards of taxpayers money over the last 6 years.

    Commenter
    yys
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 11:37AM
    • yys, I think you misunderstood. What Rudd meant was that we're all just little guys & should listen to greatness like him.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:47AM
    • How would it have helped the little guy to run surpluses?
      And what policy do the libs have that gives you any indication they will either be a better friend to the little guy or a better steward?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:50AM
    • Please detail how they were bad stewards with taxpayers money!

      Commenter
      donab
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:55AM
    • Aren't we glad then the noalition will soon be in power what with their PPL and clearing the boats off the M4. Maybe all those fishing boats can be distributed to the working class.

      Commenter
      Pieron
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:01PM
    • So by spending money to keep the "little guys" in a job and personally solvent thE ALP has betrayed them? Judas for sainthood!

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:13PM
    • Macca75: I have the distinct feeling you don't like the Liberals - how come? Have you ever read "Economics for Dummies" - highly recommended!

      Commenter
      ET
      Location
      Lakesland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:16PM
    • ET - It's not that I don't like Liberals - I have in fact voted liberal - but instead because I understand economics that I don't like this brand of liberal.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:29PM
    • Macca75
      We could argue this until the cows come home:
      My view - that Labor overspent in the Stimulus.
      Your view: that Labor saved us from unemployment.
      There is more than one economic view on this. Please at least acknowledge that there are different interpretations and that we can agree to disagree.

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:48PM
  • 2.30pm Coalition costings release.

    2.31pm Rudd screaming "$100 billion black hole, recession coming".

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 11:36AM
    • And Wong and Bowen >>> cuts cuts cuts recession recession recession >>>

      Commenter
      Baltic13
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:59AM
    • Well said Hacka,

      Labor lost all credibility on costings with Kevin's $10billion fraud last week.

      No matter the costings nor the content the LNP has carte blanche. Any criticism by Kevin, Penny or the ALP crew will just be sheep bleating.

      Commenter
      Vulture
      Location
      Gladesville
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:06PM
    • It's like you guys said - Tony Abbott could have a $100 billion dollar black hole and you'd still vote for him.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:23PM
    • Make light of it if you will, unfortunately it will be the truth and the LNP have ran a very good campaign on lies and deceit

      Commenter
      Pieron
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:25PM
    • At least you realised that 2.31 comes after 2.30.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:09PM
    • What was it with all the sweat and page turning and dumb looks and vague answers; not impressed it was dumb and dumber. Where was the strength and convincing in that release of the LNP savings, it was embarrassing and cutting foreign aid by 4 billion not impressed whats going to happen with a commission of audit. I know they are going to cut off the little guy.

      Commenter
      Jac
      Location
      Qld
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:17PM
    • Pity not all the Liberal policies were costed. But we can hide that, or lie about that, can't we?

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:17PM
  • An interesting article in the Guardian online today from George Monbiot (see http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/05/abbott-climate-change-election):

    The conclusion is a frightening one: "The country will be run exclusively for the class to which Gina Rinehart, Clive Palmer and Ivan Glasenberg belong: the 1% of the 1%. Forget the pious rhetoric and nationalistic bombast. Abbott’s policies are really about removing the social and environmental protections enjoyed by all Australians, to allow the filthy rich to become richer – and filthier."

    Commenter
    Grizwald
    Location
    Alexandria
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 11:31AM
    • Because conservatives make the minority rich, they will always get a minority vote.they could never govern in their own right.....unless of course they form coalitions, can convince, brainwash, use propaganda to bring the middle class (who they don't favour at all) to believe their spin....come in spinner...its working right now.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:47AM
    • Grizwald

      Are you on that computy thing again? And, to think you told me you were too sick to go to school today.

      Commenter
      Mrs Grizwald
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:48AM
    • rubbish

      Commenter
      justone
      Location
      vic
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:49AM
    • Exactly - If you look at his policies many of them give tax payer money to the higher income earners and while others take it away from low income earners.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:51AM
    • Ah yes, that bastion of balanced journalism The Guardian. About as balanced as quoting Steeden and Fraser..

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:01PM
    • @ dcs why not provide some objective commentary on the article if you don't agree?

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:26PM
    • You are right Tasch, but I couldn't find a single fact in this opinionated puff piece to repudiate. Apparently Rudd and Gillard's progress is not good enough for the author either, but my favourite would be that you can't spell coalition without coal. Not really a contention worthy of argument. I stand by my original comment.
      Commenters, read if you need a laugh.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:48PM
    • I see the trolls have woken....

      The LNP policy is clear. If acidification (break the word down to small bits if you need to understand it..) of the oceans, combined with pesticide (oops - there's another word with more than one syllable!) runoff and damage from sedimenation (!!) from estuarine (another one!!!) flows and dredging are going to destroy the Great Barrier Reef anyway, why don't we just carry on with mining and take the profits?

      In time, it becomes S.E.P. - someone else's problem.

      Next LNP policy, please.

      Oh, and Mum - you know I got my science degree 30 years years ago and I don't go to school anymore. That dementia of yours is getting worse, isn't it?

      Amazing how old people revert back to their childhood - the glory days of the 50s.

      Tony dreams of the 50s, and if you're nice to him on Saturday, he'll take you back there. He has a whole lot of people he's taking with him.

      Commenter
      Grizwald
      Location
      Alexandria
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:33PM
  • Rudd Talks, and talks, and talks, and talks! Does he ever shut up?

    If he would stop talking, and start listening, to what his aides, front bench, opposition, the press and the public are saying he would make a much better PM… he should have shut up many years ago, but is too late for that now.

    It’s a shame, really.

    Commenter
    Barto
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 11:29AM
  • C'mon Tone, macca75, Passionfruit, Mali, JF or any other of the labor cheer squad out there, can you name one policy that labor have implemented on time, on budget and has delivered the stated purpose in the last 6 years. We keep hearing from you all how wonderful their record is, now's your time to prove it. So far JT and tasch2 have failed miserably, but I'm sure they'll still vote labor.

    Commenter
    Already Reflected
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 11:28AM
    • I've done it already......900 pieces of legislation, passed by both houses, in time, with a budget and timeframes set....if you won't accept that, that is your problem....we are waiting for 1 sensible piece of legislation that Abbott intends to pursue that isn't in the 'that's crazy' category. Sorry, anything you mention I won't accept because they are all crazy.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:52AM
    • already reflected......it really doesn't matter how my 1 vote goes...I'm in a very safe labor seat and it won't swing. If I was in Rudd's electorate I would not vote for him....I find him and Abbott the most disgusting leaders of political parties that Australia has ever had. I however, am an 'I'm OK, You're OK' person rather than a 'I'm OK, the hell with you' person. Get the difference?

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:56AM
    • Pink Batts was an awesome policy, as was solar panels. Pink batts and solar panels have resulted in a reduction and more efficient use of electicity. They have achieved their goals.

      Sure, there were problems with Pink Batts, but there is no denying the fact that getting everyone to insulate their homes was an excellent idea.

      Unfortunately, many employers didn't follow mandated workplace health and occupational safety laws and the spin from the Liberals was so loud that they couldn't get a word in.

      Are you just trying to see how good you are at attempting to spin good policies as bad?

      I expect that you are. That's why you have a big L on your forehead.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:59AM
    • ohh yes there was the.....ummm and then ....uh..ah... but also...ah..uh...I..think..what about that time.......uh..hmm..no..gee this......is......hard.....

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:00PM
    • Policy: Avoid recession

      Outcome: Recession Avoided

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:16PM
    • Wow JT, so from 900 pieces of legislation (hint legislation is not policy just a part of its implementation) you still can't identify and articulate one policy that meets reasonable budget time and purpose criteria. Fail.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:27PM
    • Tone, part of the point is that despite some good ideas their policy implementation has been atrocious. Insulation was a good idea however they rushed it despite warnings that this would lead to major problems. The net result aside from the deaths was billions in rework and a legitimate industry, and livlihoods, ruined. Governments can have all the good ideas in the world, good ideas are a dime a dozen, the hard part is implementation, and there I'm afaraid labor has been incompetent. That particular policy fails on all three points, way over budget, way over time and I doubt they set out to put legitimate insulators out of business.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:32PM
    • Now you see him, are you channelling Tony Abbott again?

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:33PM
    • A policy is a document that outlines what a government is going to do and what it can achieve for the society as a whole. It also outlines any and all methods and principles that the government or any entity, for that matter, will use to achieve its directive. Essentially, a policy sets out the goals and planned activities of an entity, whereas a law may be needed to pass to enable government to put in place the necessary institutional and legal frameworks to achieve their aims as set out in the policy. A policy is an informal document that just lists and states what must be done and what is intended to be done in the future.
      From this definition I believe that the House of Reps job is to turn policy proposals into legislation. The 43rd Parliament has done that extremely effectively and efficiently given the hung parliament conditions. It is a testament to Julia Gillard and the independents. Tony Abbott did not (does not) have the character or personality to pass the same legislation. Australia gained then, but will lose after Sat.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:40PM
    • Guys, there's no point arguing with Already Reflected, he's so unbelievably one-eyed that he isn't going to hear anything you say anyway. It's probably best just to ignore him.

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:43PM
    • tasch2, even if i was to accept "avoid recession" as a policy and that indeed it was purely the labor party policy that saved us from it they fail dismally on the budget. We were meant to be in surpluss this year, no wait next year, no wait in 3 years. Instead we've come in over $106b (thanks penny) over forecast and have $184b debt. I accept that some debt was necessary but the levels achieved by labor are frankly unacceptable, you may not agree, fine, but it grossly fails the "within stated budget" test.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:49PM
    • JT, thanks for the lesson but all I asked for an example of one policy that has been delivered on budget, on time and has achieved the stated objective.
      Tom, I take it by the ad hominem that you too can't think of one policy that meets that criteria.
      I honestly thought this would be easy for you all seeing as you've been telling us how wonderful this government has been.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:35PM
    • Tone,
      No just don't seem to find anything that the Labor party completed without messing up.

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:50PM
  • Oh oh Rudd did an "upside down dead-spider crippled with arthritis" hand movement. A previously undocumented move.

    He looks glum and tense even though in full verbal flight slugging his audience with swirling syntax and over egged, over -adjective-rich-smartest-in-the-room- phrases.

    Commenter
    yys
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 11:27AM
    • I know how dare an elected official show intelligence, they should be all uuuhhm aarr gee ooh you sexy thing. I am glad those non-verbal communication skills have finally been put to the use for the betterment of mankind!

      Commenter
      Pieron
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:06PM
  • Take heart, people of the left an middle, no matter how much gloating is coming from the Liberal Party, they cannot force you to change your vote.

    Remember, your vote is worth $2.47 each in the upper and lower house to the party you put first. Don't reward mediocrity by giving these gloating liars your vote.

    Commenter
    Tone
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 11:26AM
    • Tone, I highly doubt anyone reading or commenting here will be changing their vote, especially based on....
      Nah won't go there.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:52AM
    • Tone

      No one is being forced to vote for any party. Even your rhetoric is all over the shop.

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:53AM
    • That's right. Give Labor your $2.47 so that next election they might not have to rely on the public purse to pay for campaign travel for one more week than every other party.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:04PM
    • Public funding of political parties is not the problem. It is private funding of political parties that is the problem.

      To save democracy from rent seekers trying to shift public tax payers money from public to private (their) hands, the political parties should be prevented from taking private donations from business and unions.

      Organisations like the IPA want public donations prevented to allow their rich benefactors to control who gets into power via their money.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:28PM
  • Listening to Rudd was a waste of airtime. Nothing new, nothing to save him.

    More interesting was Malcolm Mackerras' view that Labor will lose over 30 Rep seats including the PMs seat of Griffith (I am still doubtful on that one)

    Commenter
    Vulture
    Location
    Gladesville
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 11:19AM
  • Rudd at Press Club says"Labor Party a great beast... been around from the get go 1891...Party's future lies in continuing democratisation... Infusing Labor Party with new ideas" +++ Plus an eency bit of iSelf Congratulation for his own structural reform re Labor leadership elections.

    Commenter
    yys
    Location
    iLabo r= iRudd
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 11:17AM
  • Rudd declares that "Peter Costello is not his greatest friend" Pity about that as Costello was very reliable with the budgets he delivered. Rudd could have taken something from that.

    Commenter
    yys
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 11:13AM
    • Thats the trouble Rudd has with being 'perfect' there's really no else worth listening to.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:18AM
    • yys - Costello was reliable about his budgets you say? So When you are billions of dollars out underestimating a surplus year after year it is seen as "reliable" but if you under estimate a deficit it is "unreliable" - get real!

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:23AM
    • No macca75 it's just prudent in finance and business to under promise and over deliver, makes everyone happier in the long run. Unfortunately labor follow the union mantra, over promise, under deliver, which is why there are so many angry laborites here.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:54AM
    • Macca, from memory he was pretty much on target every time.
      Are you making this up?

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:04PM
    • Macca
      It's called over delivering, something that labor only understands in terms of defecits.
      At least you only have to punch information to a computer once.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:05PM
    • Now you see him - Check your facts before you accuse me of making stuff up.

      To the rest of you he didn't over deliver - he took the best estimates at the time and then due to global economic conditions was constantly surprised on the upside. The fact is no one is ever going to hit the budget becuase so many factors can change and a small change has a big impact on a trillion dolar economy.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:14PM
    • Macca75
      You seem as though you are still looking for someone to blame for Labor's perilous position in the polls. It's not the Treasury's
      fault.
      Labor just can't get the policies to come in on budget.

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:35PM
    • Macca, Fact checker must give you a mostly false.
      Most forecasts that are prepared by Treasury are presented as a range. The government choose where in the range they will pick to input to their economic models. Rudd and Gillard have consistently used the most optimistic outliers that they can get away to announce projected surpluses and leave it up to their minions to explain why they didn't hit.
      I would have respected them if they had the gumptuion to get up and explain to the electorate why some defecit was appropriate at the time rather than swinging policy according to the latest opinion polls. Never have I seen a government so paralysed for progress by their desire to follow popularity rather than what needs to be done. These have been tough times and tough governments that treat the electorate with a bit of respect as they make tough decisions usually prevail.
      A lesson for the future perhaps.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:58PM
    • Macca, You are always wrong...but hey... who cares!

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:52PM
  • *Abbott thanks Labors campaign team for getting him across the line (7.15pm next Sat night)*
    1. Thanks to all my double agents in red T- Shirts. Thank you for carping on about costing’s.. It helped to focus people on Labors surplus promise – it was always our point of difference
    2. Thanks to the double agents who had the genius Idea to complain that I was too generous to mums. The woman vote made the difference.
    3. Thanks also to the double agents who faked outrage at the 'sex appeal' comment. Wow did it work to give Fiona a national profile. I was amazed that the same trick worked twice when I dropped the ‘Pretty face’ bomb. It was scary easy. Thanks also for complaining to the people of Lindsay about Fiona and her concern over 'congestion refugee comments' It's what the people of Lindsay want to hear. And it always sounds better through outraged gritted teeth.. Fiona Thanks you to for her victory.
    Thanks to all those Labor supporters whose blind myopic allegiance, and the faithful belief that I was unelectable, who truly made this day possible, I will be eternally grateful.

    Commenter
    Cwitty
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 11:08AM
    • Feeeww you really are a saw loser!!

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:17AM
    • Sorry I meant sore loser.

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:27AM
    • Now you see him............Prime example of conservative mentality. You have just attacked one of your own.
      Genius.

      Commenter
      LOL at the cheerleaders (with sex appeal)
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:00PM
  • "Mr Rudd is invited to mention Julia Gillard by name.

    He declines."

    Safe bet that both Gillard and Rudd will have plenty to say about each in the years ahead.

    And its all going to be ugly.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 11:08AM
    • I think that will start this Sunday.

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:14AM
    • It shows he hates her more than Abbott, because he can't stop using his name!

      Commenter
      notlad
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:16AM
    • Steve, have you confirmed with head office the delivery date for your Indonesian fishing boat yet. And you thought is was hard to get the kids to hang out their sailing clothes with a skiff.

      Commenter
      buy the boats, kill the forests
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:23AM
    • Gillard/Rudd shame and humiliation forever........what a way to live out the rest of ones life...........

      Commenter
      Kelly K
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:39AM
    • What the hell are you talking about? He is asked to discuss Julia and he does!!

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:51AM
    • Rudd certainly gave Julia a lot of credit for what she achieved as both PM and a member of Cabinet, in his Press Club speech.

      Don't be petty!

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:52AM
    • buy the boats, kill the forests, if Abbott wants to buy boats he's welcome to mine, all I get out of them is credit card bills and having to fixing things.

      Sooner the kids go to uni and are too busy to sail em, the better.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:55AM
    • Kelly K, at the taxpayers expense might I add.

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:06PM
    • Gillard and Rudd never had any great liking for each other.
      It was a political marriage that never had any political love but understanding that together they can achieve their own political aims.
      It was always going to end in a very bitter dispute with each hating other more than they did when they started the political marriage.
      I wonder if Gillard's hatred towards Abbott was also a warning to Rudd as to how she would do anything to keep her job as PM.
      It worked for a while until Rudd knew he had only a small window of opportunity to get his old job back and he took her down to achieve what he wanted which was to terminate Gillard's political career in the hope he could extend his.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:15PM
    • KellyK - more shameful and humiliating than drawing conclusions without first providing analysis or reasons?

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:39PM
  • I really want to congratulate Tony Abbott for the past two terms in how he handled the opposition. He did all he could to get his team into power again, and he really did do it well, no question about that, including how he ran this election campaign. Genuine.

    I have to question though if his tactics was good for Australia over that period.

    I would have loved to see him present himself [his party] as the better option so that I could vote him 'in' and not vote Labout 'out'. I have nothing good to judge them on.

    Take it as you will, but the LNP of the previous term is gone and times have changed, team members have changed.
    If you ask me to put money on the Aussie Cricket team because they were world champs 6 years ago I would ask what are they bringing to the match now.

    Commenter
    Prosper
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 11:08AM
    • If steve waugh was available I would pick him in the team.. Hell with the lack of runs we score at the mo, I'd be happy if we opened with Richie benaud..
      ...actually when you think about it the ALP are like the Australian Cricket team, they don't like the captain but there is no body else to give it to and they can't put any runs on the board!!

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:21AM
    • Oh the team shall we mention Diaz, Scott and King, all fine upstanding members of the noalition. What a proud day it will to have this trio representing us.

      Commenter
      Pieron
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:56AM
    • Why don't you go to the ABC site and view the whole of Rudd's Press Club speech and his answers to the media, before you make up your mind?

      He lists all of Labor's successes over the past 6 years and there were programs that are up and running that I have not heard of.

      He gave Julia Gillard due credit for her achievements.

      He gave his Cabinet Budget and Finance Team credit for the long hours they put in developing practical policies to avert recession when the GFC hit.

      I was impressed. The achievement list was long.

      There are still at least a million voters who are undecided. Labor could still win.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:00PM
    • @Cwitty, wouldn't it be great if we could choose the best from both or even all parties to act as ministers for the next three years. Now we have to be happy with a whole team where only a few would do a good job for Aus rather than saving their own skin.
      Then, maybe the constant shooting down of the party you don't stand for makes you feel good; it serves no good purpose though. What a shame.

      Commenter
      Prosper
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:02PM
    • It would be living the dream Prosper. I wish one side would see the talent in a couple of their opposition and give them even junior cabinet roles. (Poaching a dud to be speaker doesn't count). It could be the start of real bi-partisan government for this nation. European countries without a strong two party system have no choice but to do this. Would love to see us give it a try.
      Now, just where to find the talent in the ALP.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:24PM
    • dcs, we would obviously all be voting from a point of bias, especially in the begging of such a scheme, but it is a great dream!
      - I can see that I would vote for Abbott for minister of defence.
      - Malcolm as deputy prime minister
      - Rudd as foreign affairs
      - Shorten as education
      - Tanya Plibersek as health
      ...running out of names.
      ...and hey, this is my bias!

      Commenter
      Prosper
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:38PM
  • Poor people at the press club today better financial darkness any day of the week over spiritual darkness. You have my sympathy !

    Commenter
    PJ
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 11:07AM
    • Well actually, they heard a very very good speech and some exceptional answers to questions.

      Why don't you check it out on the ABC website!

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:02PM
    • Listen to a whole speech? Too wordy.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:20PM
  • "The head of the Australian Workers Union, Paul Howes, is in the audience nodding intently"

    Isn't this the guy that bragged how he helped depose Rudd 3 years ago?

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 11:06AM
  • Hey Liberal people, you should really get out and gloat. I mean, you've started already, but you're just not vocal enough. You should get out and get down to polling booths everywhere and when people come up to you at polling booths you should shout out how great Abbott is and that he should be the supreme leader. Australia will appreciate it. We don't need no stinking democracy - we only need Abbott!

    Commenter
    Tone
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 11:05AM
    • And enjoying every second of it.
      Even more Saturday night!!

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:19AM
    • Tone - the large lady is preparing herself but she hasn't started singing yet. All going well, she'll open up around 7.30pm on Saturday.

      She might even start with "The future's so bright i gotta wear shades". "Back in Black" would be way too premature.

      Are you planning an election party on Saturday night ? Champagne ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:21AM
    • Tone every democracy needs an effective opposition.

      You should see Labor spending the next 3 terms in it as an opportunity to participate in the democratic process not as a punishment

      Positive thoughts are always better than negative ones.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:31AM
    • Yeah Tone, because it's only democracy when you win. Grow up.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:44AM
    • Tone

      I am moved!

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:55AM
    • You're not loud enough fellas. This forum is too small for you.

      Once you start losing rights "for the common good" think about how much of a gloating supporter you were.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:03PM
    • Tone
      I think it is the blessing of democracy that is about to send the ALP back to the benches with the smallest representation in thier history. It's not just democracy when they vote for you.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:09PM
  • Press Club address is a little surreal.

    Everyone in the room, including Rudd himself, know that this is his final Press Club address.

    Yet everyone is politely pretending he still has a chance on Saturday.

    I wonder if ther journos go easy on him - knowing he's a defeated man.

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 10:58AM
    • There are still over one million Australians who still have to decide how they will vote. if they listen to Rudd's Press Club presentation, they will vote Labor.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:15AM
    • I wish they didn't.
      But then again they were always ALP lovers.

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:20AM
    • Tired Of Spin
      "There are still over one million Australians who still have to decide how they will vote"

      Where did this magic figure come from? Same source as the $10b black hole - i.e Fantasyland?.

      Commenter
      peteract
      Location
      Gold Coast
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:37PM
  • From a Laborer's perspective, do you guys reckon that if the ALP lose on Saturday it would be best for Rudd to get turfed out of Griffith as well ?

    Or would you think that having him behind-the-scenes again would allow him to impart his infinite wisdom on those who succeed him ?

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 10:54AM
    • I would love to see him stay and stew in the back benches in opposition.
      Can you imagine what it would do to his bloated ego?

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:22AM
    • If Abbott wins, everyone will be worrying about their jobs and where the Committee of Audit will cut next.

      No one will be worried who the Member of Griffith will be.

      And I do remind you that for every $1 cut from government expenditure, there is a $1.50 drop in circulating money in the community and this has a direct impact on retail and other industries within Australia.

      This leads to reduced performance of Australian industry and then to loss of jobs.

      Look at Queensland where this has already happened. Qld, since the LNP took government, has a higher unemployment rate that is now 2% higher than the national average and the highest in Australia second only to Tasmania.

      However Rudd has proven he is a fighter for his constituents and they will need an MP who will fight for them if Rudd becomes PM.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:34AM
    • Hacka .....Infinite wisdom sounds a hell of a lot better than "suppository of wisdom"

      Commenter
      How many Hackas does it take to change a light bulb
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:40AM
    • Yes imagine Rudd having to sit next to Swan for three years on the back bench.

      Although the people of Lilley might have other plans for Swan.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:41AM
    • Yes, even Rhodes Scholars can make booboos. How many Rhodes Scholars are there in the current government ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:51AM
    • Tired of Spin

      UBS economist Scott Haslem said Queensland was the nation's "standout" performer, and Commonwealth Bank economists noted the state's "buoyant" conditions.

      In case you are wondering, this is from a recent article following a drop in the jobless rate in Qld. Google queensland unemployment and then tell me who is tired of spin.

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:01PM
  • Seriously folks...I know many of you want to change the government for change's sake (let's face it - very hard to find another coherent reason), but listening to Rudd it is obvious (again) that he wipes the floor with Abbott. Not only smooth and articulate, but everything said so far makes sense! He seems to understand the challenges of the future; he lives in this century, not some past mythical time.

    Commenter
    Passionfruit
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 10:51AM
    • It's all window dressing.

      He presents quite well but is terrible at follow through and implementation.

      Behind the scenes his leadership is chaotic and dysfunctional - people don't want to work with him - half the Labor front bench walked away when he returned to leadership..

      Abbott is a far superior leader and visionary for his party - he has the support of his team.

      Rudd leads a dysfunctional and divided team.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:20AM
    • He lives in Ruddland, a place where he is the only one who can save us.
      No mention of Gillard today.

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:20AM
    • Must have been hard for KDudd to list out ALP achievements when none were his...he can't walk the walk

      Commenter
      Taxpayer
      Location
      here
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:23AM
    • We don't want a good showman like Rudd, we want a good PM like Abbot!

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:26AM
    • People conveniently forget that this was the reason Howard lost to Rudd in the first place. Nothing was broken, but we wanted change for changes sake. And what a colossal mess that turned out to be.

      Commenter
      Sunny
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:28AM
    • No Passionfruit,

      We want to change because we are sick and tired of the ALP. We are sick of the in-fighting, the lies, the mis-management of our tax dollars, the "spend, spend, spend" attitude, the corruption within the party, the Unionists, the debt, and above all, we don't believe a word Kevin Rudd says, as he has proven he cannot be trusted.

      Commenter
      Another Reason
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:28AM
    • Sorry Passionfruit but it once again shows him up as a serial liar, opportunist, say anything to maintain power egomaniac. The Labor Party deliberately set out to make this election about Kevin believing the messiah would return them to power. This was a mistake.

      People want to change the government because quite frankly the last 6 years have been chaos. You cannot knife two sitting Prime Minister concurrently and expect the electorate to be ok with it. If your own party thinks they are doing such a poor job, then the electorate has every right to agree.

      The elctorate feels let down but what the last 6 years have provided. In 2007 we all fell for the 'new politics' that Kevin promised us. It all sounded so good.

      Unfortunately the difference between promising and delivering has now been exposed and the electorate want to give someone else a go. And you know what - that is fine - because we live in a democracy that allows us to make that change.

      Come 6pm on Saturday the people will have made their decision.

      Commenter
      Smokin Mo
      Location
      Ryde
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:29AM
    • If Rudd is so good why:

      does his own party not th LNP but his own party have a problem with him?

      has he not achieved enough to make him and his party the only choice?

      why does he give excuses and not results?

      Rudd might speak well but he is selling us a dud. I know a used car sales man who could sell you a rusted up 1972 Holden with no brakes - is that actually a good thing?

      Don't judge Abbott till he is actually doing the job!

      Commenter
      Kelly K
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:31AM
    • That is exactly his problem. He never listens and talks TOO much, hence his message is lost among his many (TOO MANY) words.

      Commenter
      Barto
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:35AM
    • Yep, he talks the talk alright. Shame he doesn't also walk the walk. It should never have been too dificult to wipe the floor with Abbott but Kevin falls short because voters sense that with Kevin it is all just about grand announcements. The everyday voter out there just doesn't believe him anymore.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:37AM
    • Get real. If that's what it's about then go live in the US. I vote for the party and what they stand for, not the front man (or woman). I pity you and others thinking it's about the person, not the collective.

      Commenter
      JF Cheer Squad
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:57AM
    • Sunny at 1.28
      I see it a bit differently. I think the Liberal Leadership was the thing that was 'broken' but the cabinet had decided 6 months earlier not to fix that with a change to Costello and went on with Howard to the election.
      The public were very tired of Howard so with Rudd pretending to be a more modern Howard, decided to 'fix it' by voting the Liberals out.

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:12PM
  • How often does an incumbant Prime Minister talk down the Australian economy the way Rudd is at the Press Club. Absolutely disgraceful!

    Commenter
    kp
    Location
    brisbane
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 10:50AM
    • SO all is rosy in the economy all of a sudden after years of the Libs telling us how terrible things are?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:12AM
    • Not at all Macca. No matter how bad the economy is going, the PM should always talk it up. Common sense.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:18AM
    • Or conversely Macca,
      Is Rudd finally coming clean, and confirming what the opposition has been telling us...

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:32AM
    • Sorry...was I listening to another speech?? I didn't hear him talk it down. To the contrary I heard lots of good things, like the AAA ratings. I thought he was just pointing out that challenges always remain. This applies to everywhere! One needs to think ahead. I know that's hard for some to grasp.

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:56AM
    • Goodness you rusted on only hear what you want to.

      Rudd actually explained that we have the best economy in the world with continuing positive growth, whereas other economies are in recession.

      Why do you feel you have to misrepresent Rudd?

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 3:24PM
  • If the LNP win this Saturday the only pleasure to be had is knowing that Tony Abbott will be a one term prime minister.
    Let the entertainment begin!

    Commenter
    CPS
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 10:48AM
    • Which is still one term more than Rudd and Gillard. Who is the ALP leader this week anyway? Surplus anyone?

      Commenter
      Kelly K
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:28PM
    • Already preparing the next rusted on predictions?
      JULIA BY 375 SEATS!!!!

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:29PM
  • Little too late Mr Rudd. You should have started selling Labor past successes a couple of weeks ago. Instead, you chose to campaign on the "Kevin Rudd" brand.

    Commenter
    Sarah of Carnegie
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 10:45AM
    • That would have changed your patent support for Pants on Fire Tony?

      Spare us all your hypocrisy, please.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:04AM
    • Whyalla Wipeout. Bitter much. Fact is he didn't want to campaign on Labor successes because they none of his!!

      Commenter
      Sarah of Carnegie
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:16AM
    • Whyalla Wipeout
      You are getting tetchy now the writing is on the wall. Rudd and Gillard blew it, they had the opportunity and didn't deliver. Labor have not been able to stick to their budgets and are unreliable.
      Labor don't have any money left to fund policies for 'the little guy'

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:35AM
    • Both of you, like Pants on Fire, you have contempt for the truth. It is clear that your personal responses attacking me are only to avoid the quite accurate accusation of hypocrisy.

      Just like Pants on Fire telling us endlessly that we would have the costings 'in good time before the election'. Two days is 'good time' - only for a fraud hoping to make a quick getaway.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:55AM
  • Love the way Rudd is using Abbott's above-our-station notion. That really jarred when I heard it originally. Why oh why are so many Liberals small-minded and mean-spirited? It doesn't have to be that way....

    Commenter
    Passionfruit
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 10:44AM
    • greed and the lack of empathy for anyone who can't make it...as long as they are OK and can get it all, they don't care about the rest of society....this thinking makes them mean spirited and shallow.....typical attitude of neocons in the US too. Its the thinking that gives them away.....it should be i'm OK you're OK too but its I'm OK the hell with you.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:13AM
  • Wow, an "honest" lie today by Tony Abbott. I say "honest" because according to you Liberal Lovers, Abbott doesn't lie!

    The interesting thing about blindly following these people is that it's a kind of narcissism like Stockholm syndrome. They will abuse you and you will just accept it and still sell their policies, even though they hurt you.

    Commenter
    Tone
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 10:40AM
    • Oh well, you'll have to wait and see won't you?

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:06AM
  • At his press club speech it only took Rudd less than 90 seconds to start attacking Abbott.

    Perhaps if he focused on outlining the ALP's achievements and plans for the future instead people might start listening

    Commenter
    Sherlock
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 10:40AM
    • He has been - but nobody was listening. And they were not listening to Julia Gillard either.

      Of course, it did not help that the only 'news' that the mainstream media thought to print was the outrageous dishonourable bile produced by the Liberals and their agents like the despicable Alan Jones.

      Labor should have been out there telling the truth about Abbott a long time ago to counter his lies about Labor.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:08AM
  • Come on Factchecker! $350/t Carbon claim? totally reasonable.Nobody knows how big the tonnes will be in 50 years. Besides, I can buy a $100 roast - and a forklift to get it home.

    Commenter
    David D
    Location
    Ettalong Beach
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 10:33AM
    • Sorry David D, it was an outright lie especially because no one knows how much the price will be in 50 years.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:58AM
    • Tone - please check again - big tonnes - you never know what they may legislate for.......

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:16AM
  • Highlight of the day. Clicking the link to today's gact checker and being confronted with Tony's "Contract" advertisement and a picture of Tony with a big long nose and "mostly false" right next to it.

    Commenter
    tasch2
    Location
    Mornington Peninsula
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 10:32AM
    • What you need to do is to click on the Liberal party ads. Every time you do, it costs them an advertising fee.

      I do it all the time.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:09AM
    • WW, good hint, I've been deliberately avoiding them.
      How much a hit?

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:40AM
    • I have no idea. But something is better than nothing. It helps me too, because I am stuck with shares in Fairfax!

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:57AM
  • I am absolutely appalled at the coalitions immature childish behavior around releasing costings. not releasing them until AFTER Rudds last speech? really? if this isn't proof that they're hiding something i don't know what is

    Commenter
    Noob2309
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 10:29AM
    • Really? and why then hasn't Rudd released his costings yet?

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:07AM
    • I thought immature and childish was all the gloating going on from the Liberal Lovers.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:07AM
    • when did labor release their costing teh last 2 elections?? Day before election. Were you upset then as well????

      Commenter
      timesup
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:50PM
  • @ 12.11 re the Carbon thing, has Tony ever got anything right?

    Commenter
    tasch2
    Location
    Mornington Peninsula
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 10:28AM
    • We don't want a good showman like Rudd, we want a good PM like Abbot!

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:08AM
  • It has been so interesting reading this Federal Elections coverage and "Comments" section of the "Wishfuls" that have desperately attempted to influence the outcome but "the writing is on the wall" but keep it up it's interesting. It is indeed an important election but Australia will speak and again "We are not alone" but I will let you ponder that one. Some folk just fret themselves to pieces as though we were all alone and that life just popped up all on its own. Incredible Faith !

    Commenter
    PJ
    Location
    Bye
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 10:23AM
  • Hi All,

    Just saw Tony Wight's article on PUP. Anybody know anything about the Qld No.1 PUP candidate - Glenn Lazarus?

    Will he obediently follow Clive Palmer and which way would he really swing in a hung Senate?

    Commenter
    Vulture
    Location
    Gladesville
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 10:18AM
  • ALP play sheet 2013 election
    1) the old last minute leader switcharoo (Bob Hawke circa '83) - FAIL
    2) the old massive GST scare campaign (Keating crica '93) - FAIL
    3) the old New way" (Whitlam 'it's time circa 75) - FAIL
    4) the old costings gotcha 2010 - FAIL

    I think we are done here

    Commenter
    Taxpayer
    Location
    Here
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 10:18AM
  • By the smug look on Abbott's face...he knows his 3 years of classic conservative slogan bashing and brainwashing has worked...he must feel like a job's been done well....and reading the paroted stuff being repeated on this blog is testament to it. There is very little original thought in LNP supporters...well done Tony.

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 10:07AM
    • The parroting of ALP and Greens supporters about coalition costings is comprehensively drowning out all other rational discussion.

      Pot. Kettle. Black.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:17AM
    • That's right JT.
      If Tony Abbott works as hard for Australia as PM as he has as Opposition Leader, we are going to be just fine.
      I'll predict now, Tony Abbott will be Australia's PM for at least 2 terms.

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:25AM
    • For the life of me, I dont get why any thinking person could vote for a party that will bring us chaos. The ALP has gone through its drama, seems we know want to see how 'days of our lives' it gets with Abbott and his crew.
      The ALP did a great job in government, record number of legislation passed, these have made our lives better, they also introduced big projects, which the Coalition voted against and in the end through great maneuvering and the removal of a PM were watered down and passed with the result they were not as effective (i.e., the mining tax). Kevin Rudd fought tooth and nail for his beliefs and the leadership was given to him too late, I fear. Of the two men on show, he is the more apt to be our leader but circumstances gave this good man a lot of baggage, granted. If you look at the policies and not the men in the running at this election, The ALP is a better choice both in terms of talent in the cabinet and policies.

      Commenter
      Mali
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:25AM
    • Gee, these Labor people sure are sore losers.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:27AM
    • Tim...I haven't lost....the ALP might lose...but I haven't lost anything....therefore I am not a sore loser because I have lost nothing.......in fact....financially I will gain out of an LNP govt....but the country loses....loses in terms of good legislation.....LNP like to think they do but history proves they just don't do any good social policies..

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:53AM
  • The Pulse @ 12:01pm. The big question is will Kevin also get a lifetime membership? What will happen to The National Press Club if he doesn't?

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 10:05AM
    • Abbott will either shut it down or make Murdoch President.

      Abbott does not like being asked questions off script.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:13AM
  • "My team and I are committed to delivering our Contract"

    Uh oh !

    Looks like someone forgot to Tell Abbott about all the costings.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 10:04AM
    • Give up Fraser.
      You lose!

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:20AM
    • J Fraser, the ALP losing isn't the worst news. The worst news is that their failure is reflected in their faithful supporters. Carbon tax - the ultimate ALP slap on the face of core ALP voters. It seriously doesn't get sweeter because you can't counter this comment no matter how hard you try.

      Commenter
      Kelly K
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:38AM
    • Dear Miss KellyK

      Carbon Price: designed to reduce emissions.

      Result: Emissions reduced.

      QED.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:11PM
  • "Key Coalition policies not submitted for independent costings."

    Aw shucks !

    Who woulda thought "trust me" Abbott would have done that.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 10:00AM
  • Abbott's comment that "any product made from leather is environmentally friendly" sums up the intelligence and knowledge of this cracker. Most Australian hides are exported to countries with NO environmental controls because the process is toxic.

    Commenter
    Ted
    Location
    Hawthorn
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 10:00AM
    • Ted,
      Would you prefer they used vinyl?

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:13AM
  • I want to see the pommy revisit all those businesses that he said would close down due to the carbon price!!...Not only are those same businesses still open but they are reaping a PROFIT!!..Come on Tony put ya fluro vest on and go visit them NOW!!

    Commenter
    Steeden
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 9:58AM
  • Love Your "Editorial"- "Political Cartoons" thanks Andrew, Alan & Stephanie.

    Commenter
    PJ
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 9:52AM
  • The post mortem in the ALP is going to be ugly. The over zealous focus on the costings to extract a gotcha moment must take top billing. Doesn't the ALP realise that they set the bar with their $300bn deficit balloon and provided the LNP costings are within a more reasonable margin that is a better option. My guess is that voters already know that LNP cannot do worse regardless what the forecast or projection is

    Commenter
    Taxpayer
    Location
    Here and there
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 9:39AM
    • Good to see someone blindly trusts Abbott.

      A bit like the Higgs Boson.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:48AM
    • Taxpayer - From what we know of the liberal party polciies and their intentions about getting the budget back to surplus (or lack of them) how exactly are they going to tackle this terrible debt?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:57AM
    • Yep that's it in a nutshell.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:02AM
    • That figure has been discredited. Even Hockey admitted on Q&A that the real debt level was $184 billion.

      But never let your ongoing lies get in the way of a good rant.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:02AM
    • The only people who will really care about the Libs costings will be the rusted on laborites who are simply waiting to tear them apart using whatever variables they can.

      The strange thing is that they don't seem to mind that the ALP costings for the 2010 election proved to be out by around $85 billion. Remember the surpluses we were supposed to have starting from last year that are now $35 billion deficits?

      Now that's a real black hole we should all be concerned about

      Commenter
      Sherlock
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:05AM
    • CORRECTION: thanks Tone....as long as the LNP gets withing $184bn

      Commenter
      Taxpayer
      Location
      here
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:07AM
    • But Macca, you told us the debt labor is leaving was not bad. Is it bad?

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:27AM
    • J Fray - Higgs Bosson? It's only a theory and a scientific theory at that *the worst kind* I do not believe in it...
      Ahh that feels better.

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:33AM
    • Yes taxpayer, and with Abbott's policies, the Liberals want to spend another 1/6th of the entire national debt in the next year.

      Congratulations, your new score level is Sheep.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:43AM
    • Oh dear Tone you missed the sarcasm. Let me put it in a more simplistic narrative. The AL crying foul on costings is like the pot calling the kettle black. Do we need to draw a diagram? My point was (if you missed it first time) was the fact that it appears that many voters could care less about the costings details cause they know the answer is not there. the answer is in the last 6 years. Times up

      Commenter
      Taxpayer
      Location
      Here
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:55AM
  • Libs coalition maternity leave policy swings a lot of mums for them.
    Ultimately the turning point for Labour was the FBT on cars.
    Labours policies leading to the election have lost them ground they should have made up.
    The Libs assume they have no need to get there policies costed, they couldn't care if the gov't wants theirs costed.
    The point being that the Abbott policies were nothing until recently. His sole policy was to stop the boats. Rudd fixed that , so finally we get some different policies from Abbott.

    Commenter
    Labour Swinger
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 9:37AM
    • All those woman on $150k will be voting for Abbott.

      The other 3 million will not.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:50AM
    • Correction:
      Rudd has not fixed the boat policy.
      BTW on the 10th of September the PNG parliament is going to reject the agreement with Australia.
      That is why Rudd had to call the election before then.

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:52AM
    • That FBT on cars could cost Chris Bowen his seat, which would be a shame as he is ine of the better performers for Labor & a future leader.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:52AM
    • The way the FBT rule on cars worked was that it basically meant that workers were able rort the taxpayer of money for personal use of their cars.

      Labor closed that loophole and basically said that people have to justify their car use to claim FBT relief. It's a far more honest system.

      So they haven't taken away the right for people to obtain FBT relief when using their cars for work, they've just required them to justify their expenses.

      It's perfectly justified to me.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:06AM
    • Fraser
      I think that you underestimate the threshold at which the PPL is appealing. Anyone above minimum wage will be better off than the ALP alternative. Most Australians aren't so bitter or stupid to say "No, I dont want to get twice as much as labor will give me becuase then that other girl I don't like next door will get even more". Your dreaming. All working mums to be will like it.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:09AM
    • Any woman earning more than $10000 a year will be voting coalition as they all benefit. Pity labor is either too stupid or obtuse to realise their constant attacks have actually been great advertising for the libs, "don't vote for them because they'll give money to mothers".

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:33AM
    • Tone, it was a loophole deliberately setup over 20 years ago and had had bipartisan support over that period. It was there to help people in lower paid jobs afford cars like the charity industry, teachers and nurses. The fact labor changed with 0 consultation and 0 thought about the impacts shows just how arrogant and incompetent they are. They could have done many things like means test it, restrict it to aus manufactured cars etc. instead they will give more money back to the industry in the form of cash than they saved in removing the loophole. Absolute idiotic policy from a party that supposedly stands for the working class.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:38AM
    • Already Reflected, a rort is a rort. Don't try and claim that it's all about poor people getting cars - my brother bought a Porche using that system and my Dad drove all over Australia courtesy of the tax payer.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:02AM
    • Tone just because you're family are happy to deliberately rort the system doesn't mean it needs to be abolished. Could it be tightened up? Obviously. Did it serve a purpose? Absolutely. Did it help low wage earner?. You bet. They're facts tone, and the fact you can't see or are unwilling to see (because of your ideolical bent) that labor have and will cause tremendous damage with the FBT changes shows either a willfull ignorance or a lack of economic understanding.
      Ps did it make you feel good to get out that your brother bought a porsche?

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:37AM
    • It's not abolished. They just have to write down their legitimate business trips in a log book, then they can make the same claims that they always did.

      Of course, then they'd have to justify their business trips. And they won't be able to claim personal trips. Oh the humanity.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:48PM
  • Could someone go back and get all the Abbott quotes about how all the costings would be handed in and it would be further out than the last couple of days of the campaign? I want to give the Coalition staffers in here a chance to tie themselves in knots about how this isn't a lie by Abbott and isn't a breach of trust by Abbott and hey look over there a budget deficit!

    Commenter
    Arky
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 9:31AM
    • You just cannot understand how some people don't operate on lies.
      That's because, you, having been brainwashed for so long by the Labor party methods of deception cannot cope with honesty.
      Good luck on Saturday.

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:38AM
    • "In good time". A hazy term at best but lets put it into context: Within 24 hours of Labor's 2013 final costings (released last night) and 24 hours before Labor's 2007 and 2010 effort.
      It's not good enough I agree, but don't try to paint one side worse than the other.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:40AM
    • Like another Tony Abbott lie today? Yes I can't understand how people like Now you see him claiming that Labor lies and failing to see the lying from the Liberals right in front of his face.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:09AM
    • Tone, the difference is that the Labor party entirely operates on lies and deceptions. They have to do that to cover the mess they have created.

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:54AM
    • And why Now you see him do you think the Liberals are any different? John Howard was known for his lies. Ever time he said something we all expected him to do the opposite. It's why he got the name Honest John it was sarcasm.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:50PM
  • Labor has stuffed up so many things that good old Joe could come out with 1 + 1 = 3 and it would still be better than anything labor could manage.

    Remember their predictions of returning to surplus and what a windfall the mining tax would give. bwahaha

    Commenter
    MVF
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 9:28AM
    • Yeah, and I also remember how the carbon tax was going to destroy the economy (didn't happen) and how the mining tax would destroy the mining sector (didn't happen), but a 1.5% tax on big business will improve the economy (yeah right)

      Commenter
      AtomicNirvana
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:39AM
    • I don't think they can remember their predictions. That's because they lied so much they no longer remember what is fact and what is fiction.

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:40AM
    • And now with a rising iron-ore price the mining tax could start to pay-off and Tony's going to give it all away while plundering the schoolkids bonus. Nice one Tony.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:47AM
    • @AtomicNirvana. The Carbon Tax has nobbled parts of the economy and led price rises for energy. The mining tax has shelved some new projects. Check your before you blurt!

      @Mitch. You have to look at the economic decisions as a whole and not be myopic about one area. If business worked to your agenda we would all be jobless!

      Commenter
      MVF
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:56AM
    • Huh? According to Hockeynomics, 1 + 1 = 3. You're right!

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:11AM
  • Does the media or economist get to quiz the three apparently "eminet aussies" on their costings for the LNP??

    Commenter
    Sam
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 9:24AM
    • They may be able to.
      But they certainly cannot do the Government costing as they have not been released.
      I'd say Labor will release their costings on Friday 5 pm. Just like the last time and the time before that.

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:42AM
  • 11.17 - Stephanie, the media blackout doesn't apply to internet advertising. I spoke with the AEC this morning, as I was surprised I was still being bombarded with ads on your site from the parties

    Commenter
    AtomicNirvana
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 9:20AM
    • It's that GOD ad that concerned me. Who's it from and what relevance here?
      It's an odd one.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:40AM
    • ACG you mean that ad where Earth is personified as a human that doesn't have a vote... I hate that ad too.

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:47AM
    • Cwitty, no the weird one at the end of the comments, student.com or something.
      6 reasons etc.....
      no identifying group unless you have all day to of follow the trail.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 3:12PM
  • Photo @9.10a.m. - poor old Kev looks a bit tired!!

    Commenter
    Rosie
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 9:20AM
  • Abbott says he will quit as opposition leader if he does not win the election?
    What possible greater incentive do we need to not vote for him?

    All we need then is for Rudd to do a Howard and lose his seat and we may be getting somewhere.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 9:19AM
    • We know you're not voting for him anyway and once again, it's a classic example of Tony being honest. The same can't be said for Kevin Rudd of course.

      At least Kevin won't have a choice - he's likely to lose his seat anyway.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:34AM
    • that is exactly the outcome I would love to happen......Abbott gone, Rudd gone....and then the chance to start again with new policies...no matter who forms a govt LNP or ALP. I totally agree that Australians are just as sick of Abbott and don't want his lunatic policies after the last 3 years as much as they are sick of Rudd.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:43AM
    • Which tiny group of Austalians are you referring to JT? Greens voters?

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:58AM
    • most Australians alternate view....not just you......his approval rating isn't over 50%, either is Rudd's. If its not over 50% then MOST Australians don't approve or want him as PM....get it?

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:24AM
  • When we look back on it, will the Labor campaign be seen as one of the biggest electoral scare campaigns ever in Australia ?

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 9:11AM
    • Yes and no doubt it will be studied in political spheres and held up as a convincing proof that scares don't always work.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:21AM
    • Oh come on...what like Tony's 3 years of scare and negativity, knocking the confidence out of anyone who would listen to him. Give it a break

      Commenter
      AtomicNirvana
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:21AM
    • Hacka ..........You really are a bit of a joke. Abbott runs a scare campaign on everything from jobs to roast lambs for three years and the ALP are scaremongers are they. You have just exhibited the tactic the LNP have used over the last few months. Accuse your opponent of that which you yourself are guilty. Considering how many times I have seen you get your numbers wrong Hacka I can see why you champion a bunch of ranters who have no vision for Australia and its future.

      Commenter
      Trust me. EVEN THOUGH I SAID DON'T
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:22AM
    • No, Hacka. It will be seen as the most accurate warning of pending disaster ever provided by an Australian Political Party.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:22AM
    • Still no costings Hacka... Is that good enough for you??

      Commenter
      Sam
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:23AM
    • Not really. If you look at the historic pattern of the Liberal Party, they have introduced regressive policies such as WorkChoices and GST.

      They may not intend introducing those policies immediately, but you know they want to.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:26AM
    • No, that was Abbott's mining and carbon tax scare campaigns.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:28AM
    • Think GST campaign that defeated Hewson would probably beat it, but it's up there.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:30AM
    • Hacka; Nope. Fraser/Kerr and Stevens/Game (Lang 1932) outrank all comers on this. Howard (Tampa) comes closee, but no cigar.And pore ole Cap*n Mumbles, Bookie Stumbles and Admiral Bumbles? Scarey just like Halloween in broad daylight.

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:31AM
    • Probably.

      4 Years of Abbott trying to scare the hell out of Aussies and the Australian economy will do that.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:31AM
    • Tone, just a small point. Workchoices, even though it was over-reach and needed to be wound back a little, was NOT regressive. It promoted more jobs and lowered the unemplyment rate below 4%.

      It could be seen as being regressive to the Union membership of coruse.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:33AM
    • Yeah - Abbott probably did run a bit hard on the carbon tax. But here we have Rudd standing up every day carrying on about a $70 billion black hole, that has been laughed at by almost everybody.

      Why - you could almost accuse Rudd of talking the economy down, like his recession comments yesterday.

      Sam - i agree - the Coalition should have put out costings earlier. But in terms of trusting one side to be fiscally responsible, well most Australians have made their minds up on that one. Swan does not fade from memory quickly.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:43AM
    • Hacka is right.

      During an election period, campiagns are meant to swing into positive mode to pick up votes. If you are having to go hard core negative during the 30 odd day campaign period, then it means you are really behind and desperate. This is what we have seen from Rudd and labor.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:50AM
    • Hacka........"Why - you could almost accuse Rudd of talking the economy down, like his recession comments yesterday"

      Thank you for proving my point Hacka. It only took a few minutes.

      Commenter
      Trust me. EVEN THOUGH I SAID DON'T
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:03AM
    • Trust Me - i tried very hard but working out your point is a bit of a challenge. Could you elaborate ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:10AM
    • @ Trust Me, its difficult mate, trying spelling it out in simpler terms, old Hacks is a bit slow o the uptake these days. The other day he implied that 1972 came after 1974!

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:21AM
    • And what makes it more extraordinary is that Rudd started his campaign with the announcement that the "negativity" was what Australians were "sick of".

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:34AM
    • Alternate View, tell me how WorkChoices is not regressive again? I though that a whole stack of poor and middle class people lost money when their conditions were cut, and lost money because they were too scared to get a pay rise.

      The conditions of ALL workers is affected by removal of conditions allowing employers to sack at will. It also allows employers to abuse their power.

      Personally, I don't have a problem with people having enough money to support their families. It generally means that they won't become desperate and have to rob me on the street and steal my wallet.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:48AM
  • wow now Merdocks mouthpiece Andrew Bolt is blaming Rudd for bible bashing!!..is there no end to these peoples bile?

    Commenter
    Steeden
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 9:06AM
    • Saturday, about 8.01 pm

      Commenter
      Vulture
      Location
      Gladesville
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:23AM
    • Actually, quite a few people have been critical of Rudd's comments and his demeanour towards the pastor. In any event, the actual question wasn't about gay marriage it was why people should trust him when his views/positions have chopped and changed. Rudd turned it into a condescending lecture on gay marriage.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:33AM
    • Re: Rudd's misunderstanding of the biblical meaning of slavery

      The Greek word doulos has several meaning and is used throughout the NT 127 times, 120 as servant, 6 as bond and 1 as bondsman.

      Doulos

      1. a slave, bondman, man of servile condition

      a. a slave

      b. metaph., one who gives himself up to another's will those whose service is used by Christ in extending and advancing his cause among men

      c. devoted to another to the disregard of one's own interests

      2. a servant, attendant

      The word soma indicates a number of men closely united into one society, or family as it were; a social, ethical, mystical body. It is used 145 times and once only as slave (Rev. 18:13) that demonstrates a metaphoric list for certain men i.e. ‘sheep’ represent married men.

      Thus a slave is not a slave in the modern context. The writers of the bible did not indulge slavery as we understand slavery to be.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:37AM
    • KDudd was looking for an opportunity to roll out a 'west wing' inspired speech which no doubt his minders expected to sound very prime ministerial. After seeing the west wing clip KDudd kinda looks.....fabricated

      Commenter
      Taxpayer
      Location
      Here and there
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:43AM
    • @Puzzled..Really...well now it looks like ABBOTT is changing his mind about gay marriage!!..Now the weather vane is spinning in the wind!!

      Commenter
      Steeden
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:55AM
    • So Gillard replaced Rudd who replaced Gillard......ok so why am I listening to a party that can't even get the leadership right?

      Commenter
      Kelly K
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:36AM
  • Photo @ 9:45am

    "Trust Me"

    Commenter
    AL
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 9:05AM
    • You can just about read Abbotts mind,he's thinking i have these shmucks brainwashed into voting for me.SUCKERRRRSSS.

      Commenter
      Tory Tony
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:10AM
    • Oh...but they didn't brainwash you did they?
      Good luck on Saturday, you are going to need it!

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:35AM
    • You have to trust Abbott because it is unlikely Gillard will replace him as PM after he wins the election on Saturday. The ALP is its own worse enemy then they have Rudd/Gillard.

      Commenter
      Kelly K
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:56AM
  • Stephanie@10.54 why is this ad from The Greens exempt from the advertising blackout?

    Commenter
    brian
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 8:59AM
    • The blackout is on electronic advertising. Print is still game on.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:09AM
    • Its for traditional electronic media (TV and radio) only.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:09AM
    • Electronic media only

      Commenter
      BC
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:10AM
    • Should be all forms of media from radio/tv to newspapers and social media and those annoying phone calls. I have got a phone call from both the Liberals and the ALP which I just hung up as soon as I knew what it was.
      A friend got an ALP add on her face book page which she was not to happy about.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:22AM
  • So Abbott says that "the independents mucked up the last parliament". Pesky thing Democracy, hey Tony?

    Commenter
    Punte
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 8:58AM
  • who cares about costings........we all know the LNP will justify any budget position as being OK.....just because they said so...and all you sheep will say that's OK because anything LNP do is good and anything ALP do is bad.....

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 8:57AM
    • Oh, and all the rusted on ALP and Greens supporters are any different?

      Don't make me laugh.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:18AM
    • trouble is alternate view...what is declared bad this Friday will be declared 'not so bad' on Monday even though it will be the same budget position.....both sides have propaganda ...I feel one side's propaganda way way worse for the country.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:39AM
    • What may be different on Monday is that we may find out who much the NBN is costing us, becasue Albo has decided not to tell us before the election.

      Seeing that the NBN is the ALP's shining display of vision, don't you think it strange that they are hiding it from the public?

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:00AM
    • "NBN to benefit average household by $3800 a year to 2020: report"

      Was in the Australian paper just yesterday alternate view...keep up will you?.....yes it might cost more now but the cost benefit study shows it will have more benefits into the future....

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:14AM
  • Fraser
    No, Im not the God One. The guy owh thinks he is that is currently campaigning for the seat of Griffith up here.
    Health outbreaks? Not really part of the argument Fras. Bit of a typical Labor "Look over there" tactic me thinks when an argument is going the wrong way.
    Spending on infrastructure such as hospitals has been appreciated no doubt though.
    The slope.. comment seems to be missing a vowel, so not sure what you were trying to say there. The direction of the slope is upward however, as the Newman government seek to drag us out of the hole that they inheritied.

    Commenter
    dcs
    Location
    Brisbane
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 8:57AM
    • @"dcs"

      Filling your presumed "hole" with the bodies of the unemployed.

      You should check out Treasury papers.

      http://www.oesr.qld.gov.au/products/publications/pop-growth-highlights-trends-qld/pop-growth-highlights-trends-qld-2012.pdf

      And

      http://lobbyists.disclosurelo.gs/index.php

      Click on ... "Launch into the Network Graphic" .... and then educate yourself.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:46AM
    • Consensus is unemploymnent is on the way down and Qld is the good news story of the nation Fras, but spin it as you want it because "short of Abbott biting the head off a live kitten on network TV" the election is decided and you can all get ready for what will no doubt be a decade of constructive criticism you will have from the sidelines of the conservative government.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:31PM
  • So the Opposition aren't costing immigration, broadband or climate change.

    That's because:
    They will cancel the NBN (so no cost)
    They will cancel any climate change measures (so no cost)
    and they will stop the reporting of immigration (quick, hide everything)

    Commenter
    Tone
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 8:55AM
    • Say anything you like... even when it's not true.

      That's typical ALP/Greens behavior.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:23AM
    • 'Stop the climate change'
      I love your idea; if the climate wants to keep changing maybe we should not let it into the country. Let’s deport it to a country that likes hot climates, like Naru or PNG. The changing climate should sit on those Islands leaving places for more legitimate climate to come to Australia (We only have room for so much Climate.. we can’t take it all) ‘Australian’s should decide the type of Climate that comes to Australia and the manner in which it comes’ (sic)

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:24AM
    • Cwitty, good one.
      Nice light relief.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:38AM
    • You mean like today's outright lie by Abbott? So when was Abbott a member of ALP or the Greens?

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:13AM
  • Oh those poor liddle reporters!

    Commenter
    Sharron
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 8:50AM
  • To all you LNPers,

    hahahahaha!!!!

    Commenter
    Sharron
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 8:48AM
    • Sharon; save it for Monday. Then you and the rest of the Glee club will have license to go koko bananas.. You should start painting your placards now to save time (It’s our Ruddy nightmare), so you can start protesting against the Government first thing Monday morning.
      “What do we want!?”
      “Kevin!”
      “When did we want him!?”
      “2007!”

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:11AM
    • Far out witty, you LNP people sure do watch some good TV. For example, Betty loves the snickers ad and can't quote anything else, and you can only use Glee as a reference.

      No wonder you are all Abbott's sheep!

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:23AM
    • Well, I know that I'll be the one laughing at 7pm on Saturday night.

      Try to have a good one anyway, Sharron.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:37AM
    • Well Sharon (May I call you Shazza?) It seems Mr Rudd’s campaign team favorite TV Show is ‘Happy Days’. As every day they ask Mr Rudd aka 'The Fonze' to Jump the shark in a desperate attempt to save Al’s dinner aka the ALP. The only thing Mr Rudd and the Fonz will have in common from Monday is they both will have to use a public toilet as their private office…

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:44AM
  • "SteveH." is going all out to attack the Greens ... so it's timely for her/him to tell all The Pulse readers the degree she/he is doing, and has been doing for quite some time.

    Results in yet "SteveH." ?

    Has Abbott offered to lend you any tools that he uses on a daily basis ?

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 8:47AM
    • "Has Abbott offered to lend you any tools that he uses on a daily basis?"

      That would be the members of his front bench that he will have no use for next week....

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:25AM
    • It ironic that the tools SteveH studies are considered "the future" to Christine Milne

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:30AM
    • Cwitty, Christine is more farsighted than you realise. Once climate change seriously kicks in and totally changes the weather in much of the world, creating massive human dislocation, misery and, inevitably, wars. the results may well be a return to subsistence life.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:59AM
  • So, Clive is suing Murdoch. Couldn't happen to a "nicer" bloke.
    Clive might just surprise everyone on Saturday.
    And Wendi is a Chinese "spy"?
    Clive does tend to exaggerate, but on matters Brough and Murdoch he is spot on.

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 8:46AM
    • ACG, read Tony Wright's story on this! It is so funny.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:02AM
    • http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/titanic-fury-rupert-murdoch-dragged-into-the-clive-palmer-drama-20130905-2t6lz.html?rand=1378346594869

      Commenter
      The Mod
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:04AM
  • Julie Bishop's script writers may want to think about what she is saying in respect of Tony Abbott..
    .
    "When the game's over, when we're back in the change room, that's when Tony's real talents come to the fore because he unites us." Julie this could be read another way??? (Love the laughs though)

    Commenter
    Vulture
    Location
    Gladesville
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 8:46AM
  • Tony Abbott has been a negative waste of space for the last 3 years.....why doesn't he 'cut the waste' and just cycle off into the sunset and do us all a favour?

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 8:35AM
    • JT
      Another unpaid vaccuous political announcement. Argue a fact. State a belief. Go above I don't like the man. Raise the political debate...or at least be witty.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:12AM
    • What? Like Kevin Rudd did for the ALP?

      No, Tony has determination and vision and is fully supported by his party.

      The opposite is true for the ALP.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:39AM
    • Tony is fully supported by the far right wingers in his party who put him there by only 1 vote....the more moderate of the LNP see Turnbull as a more mature, experienced leader...Tony has the support of 1 more vote that's all......he will be on shaky ground when his mouth keeps tripping him up in the next while....watch this space.......

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:53AM
    • JT: He HAD the support of one vote 3 years ago - more than Rudd had 3 years ago, and 2 years ago and one year ago and I am sure he regrets already having had a couple of votes the last time - but who bothers about facts - funny calling the kettle black, matey

      Commenter
      ET
      Location
      Lakesland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:28AM
  • A spokesman for treasury spokesman Joe Hockey confirmed that the reason the three policies have not been sent to the Parliamentary Budget Office is because they have "input from a range of external sources".

    External sources? The last time Hockey and Abbott used "external" sources their was an $11billion hole in their costings.

    Commenter
    I don't trust them
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 8:34AM
    • Hey, nice bit of selective quoting there!

      Commenter
      Bakayarou
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:42AM
  • Tony Abbott mucked up the last Parliament not the independents.....Julia Gillard and the independents actually passed over 900 positive pieces of legislation from 2010-2013. Tony Abbott was simply a negative whining complaining voice for 3 years with no positive influence on the parliament at all.

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 8:33AM
    • Yep 900 pieces of legislation that have strangled our economy to a near standstill. Good one.

      Pity Tony has to now unravel all that crap.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:20AM
    • What % of legislation did the Coalition knock back and how does this compare with other oppositions throughout history?

      Commenter
      Bakayarou
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:43AM
    • he won't have to ....he complains for the sake of it....to get his share of the power and glory and lifetime super of the PM...he actually will keep all the good legislation passed in the last 3 years.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:46AM
  • Why hasn't Albo released the lastest NBN business plan that has been sitting on his desk for several weeks?

    Is there something he wants to hide?

    Heaven forbid that the NBN might become the ALP's $90 billion "black hole"

    Commenter
    Alternate View
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 8:32AM
    • The shredding machines in Albo's office will be in overdrive Saturday night.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:16AM
    • I agree. The New Zealand NBN cost benefits shows that Australia could show a return on investment of between A$105 billion dollars and $237 billion dollars. It is a shock to me that they won't release the cost/benefits study when such a exercise is so important to the nation.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:17AM
    • LOL, Tim.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:24AM
    • The NBN is not costing Treasury anything.

      On the other hand Abbott's Fraudband has not been presented to the Australian public to check its costings.

      A bit slow perhaps ?

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:39AM
    • Gee Tone, maybe it does not contain the sunshine and roses you predict. Not that I would want to run a scare campaign because I am sure it will be one of the first things trumpetted by the new government next week.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:44AM
    • Tone, I know nothing about the NZ NBN and whether it is comparable to ours. I suspect that it isn't, given the completely different geography involved.

      I AM reasonable certain that our NBN will NOT be profitable under any objective analysis and will end up being forced to be reported as goverment expenditure, not as an investment. The result will be a severe worsening of the Budget forecasts and that is most likely why Albo is sitting on the report.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:46AM
    • Tone

      I am sure there is a reason why the cost benefit analysis is far from public eyes. I suspect it is not a pretty picture.

      BTW Tone, NZ is small and has a few mid-sized cities. Apples to apples springs to mind.

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:04AM
    • J Fraser: The NBN isn't costing the federal budget due to an ALP/Greens faslehood.

      As soon as the NBN corporate plan is released and it shows that the NBN is not profitable, ALL of the cost will be borne by Treasury.

      And that is why it is being suppressed.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:05AM
    • Yesterday's paper, Alternative View, had an article about an Access Economics report: "NBN to benefit average household by $3800 a year to 2020: report"

      Feel free to stop lying after you read that.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:24AM
  • It has just dawned on me what Kevins cunning plan is to win the election.....the sympathy vote.

    Commenter
    Isenz
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 8:31AM
    • That will be hard, given that his rock star popularlity seems to have deserted him.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:40AM
  • I live in Curtin held by Julie Bishop and have heard nothing from any of the other candidates going up against Ms Bishop. So does that mean they have given up already and think its futile to even try and make a case of why we here in Curtin should contemplate voting for them and not Ms Bishop? Not that it really matters anyway as the result will be known before voting finishes here at 6pm.

    Commenter
    Hello?
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 8:23AM
  • It would be better for Tony to remove altogether those 3 policies because they are idiotic and a waste. T actually waste our money on the Navy in border protection, waste our money on an NBN which noone will afford to connect to, waste our money on direct action when a market mechanism can tackle climate change for the long term is just plain and utter WASTE. The LNP are a total waste....and you rusted on limpers talk about waste.........

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 8:23AM
    • Pot, Kettle, Black.

      Talking about waste? Wow. Let's review Krudd's recent Navy committment. Moving the fleet from Sydney to Brisbane, a location which is not suitable and was rejected by the ALP earlier in the year. Cost? $6 billion to waste.
      Bringing forawrd the purchase of two warships (promised by NOT costed).

      NBN? Well we don't know how much money is being wasted on the Gold Plated Rolls Royce NBN, because Albo won't tell us. That fact alone is indicative that it's a LOT.

      And by the way, did you read the article about the very fast internet speed achieved in a Sydney apartment block THIS WEEK using copper? No, I guess that doesn't suit the ALP songsheet.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:30AM
  • Tony Abbott's policies not submitted for costings.

    Tony Abbott is doing this now, just wait until Monday if he becomes PM.

    Commenter
    Sharron
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 8:23AM
    • Only ALP and Greens supporters give a toss about the Coalitions costings.

      Kevin framed the campiagn on trust - he has comprehensively lost it on that basis. The continual "crying wolf" about Coalition costings has reinforced that lack of credibility.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:43AM
  • I am sooo excited! Today Joe will open the kimono, and we will finally get to see his costing’s. These numbers have had more hype around them then the first ever Iphone, and cultish Labor fanboys and Glee clubs have been sleeping on the streets waiting for them. Today is the big launch. I hope Joe gives ‘em what they want and releases with a bit of showman ship. He should borrow one of those big red Buttons that Conroy/Albanese uses to turn on the NBN at different towns, or perhaps he could get one of the Abbott daughters break a bottle of Champaign or Cut a massive ribbon (blue of course).
    No doubt the Labor glee club will finally be satisfied, that costing are released as they have demanded for weeks. Finally we can start talking about things more important, like football finals.

    Commenter
    Cwitty
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 8:21AM
    • Really? I predict when Joe opens the Kimono all we will see is a painted rubber suit.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:27AM
  • Abbott’s Direct Action cannot work, below is what our own CSIRO scientist state.

    “The amount of each type of organic carbon in Australian agricultural soils varies significantly.
    In rainforests or good soils organic carbon can be >10 per cent, while in many poorer soils or soils which are heavily exploited, levels are typically <1 per cent.

    The amount of carbon in a soil can be thought of as a leaking bucket that constantly needs topping up.
    The size of the bucket represents the total amount of carbon the soil could potentially hold.

    Factors such as clay content, soil depth and soil density will affect the size of the bucket, for example, the bucket will be smaller for sand than clay soil. Management practices can not influence the size of the bucket.

    Factors which affect soil carbon losses – how leaky is your bucket?
    Losses of carbon from soil result from decomposition and conversion of carbon in plant residues and soil organic materials into carbon dioxide. Processes that accelerate decomposition open the losses tap further.

    Many factors, such as rainfall, temperature, vegetation and soil type determine the amount of carbon in soil.
    The rate of loss is determined by:

    • type of plant and animal matter entering the soil

    • climate conditions (rainfall, temperature, sunlight)

    • soil clay content” (CSIRO).

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 8:19AM
    • Its most likely the Abbott squad have put the CSIRO in the same category as the rest of the Public Service that disagrees with them.

      "Natural attrition" will take care of them.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:36AM
  • Oh the outrage, the Libs are not releasing their policies until today.

    I assume all the whiners on here have been getting intense therapy dealing with the debacle around Labors failure to deliver a surplus despite promising they would SIX HUNDRED TIMES in the past 12 MONTHS!!!

    Commenter
    PMI
    Location
    Hampton
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 8:17AM
    • @"PMI"

      Uses Hockeynomics to get his point across.

      Voters laughing ... again.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:25AM
    • Well I know who I'd rather have manage the nations funds and its not Rudderless and his mob of wasteful spends. Has Rudder had all his costings done NO.

      Commenter
      Gumshoe
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:29AM
    • You can say that after the Coalition pressured Labor for three solid years over not having a surplus and now have put their own off for at least a decade? The hypocrisy of you!

      Commenter
      juletjones
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:44AM
    • The Coalition wouldn't have delivered a surplus either.

      Labor were silly to talk up expectations, but they were facing an Opposition howling at them and a media which preferred to scream about debt and deficits than explain economics.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:48AM
    • I am sooo excited! Today Joe will open the kimono, and we will finally get to see his costing’s. These numbers have had more hype around them then the first ever Iphone, and cultish Labor fanboys and Glee clubs have been sleeping on the streets waiting for them. Today is the big launch. I hope Joe gives ‘em what they want and releases with a bit of showman ship. He should borrow one of those big red Buttons that Conroy/Albanese uses to turn on the NBN at different towns, or perhaps he could get one of the Abbott daughters break a bottle of Champaign or Cut a massive ribbon (blue of course).
      No doubt the Labor glee club will finally be satisfied, that costing are released as they have demanded for weeks. Finally we can start talking about things more important, like football finals.

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:01AM
    • Tony said he and his "team" have been ready to govern every day for the last three years and they still don't know what it will cost, obviously not many boy scouts among them.

      It will be okay though because their puppeteers own the news cycle. Thunderbirds are GO!

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:01AM
    • Cwitty......."No doubt the Labor glee club will finally be satisfied, that costing are released as they have demanded for weeks."
      Pay attention buddy. They have not released either "Fraudband" nor "Direct Action" costings nor "Buy the boats". Commentary in the great tradition of Christopher Pyne.

      Commenter
      Trust me. EVEN THOUGH I SAID DON'T
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:09AM
  • The Libs haven't submitted broadband, immigration or climate change policies to the PBO - well considering the climate change polciy has been costed by numerous bodies and found to be $4b short (or more than 100%), the broadband policy is a dud and who knows how much an indonesian boat would cost it is harldy a surprise.

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 8:08AM
    • Macca, I haver held my breath waiting for accurate & detailed costings from ANY opposition. The only ones I criticise on fiscal management is the government of the day. They are the ones with the resources of government & treasury. They are the ones with their hands on the fiscal levers of our economy. Rudd didn't have any accurate & detailed costings in 2007 either. All he had was a vision & the narrative for change.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:27AM
    • Macca, no-one other than ALP or Green supporters give a jot about the Coalition costings. The endless whining about their late submission, which is undoubtedly a political tactic copied from the ALP's efforts in 2007 and 2010, is boring to say the least.

      And the debacle last week by mssrs Rudd, Bowen and Wong "exposing" a (convenient) $10 billion "black hole" has just proven that the ALP will say anything, regardless of the truth.

      It is very telling that so many people have decided to vote early - a sure sign that they have made up their minds and don't care at all about the costings.

      I'm betting that the vast majority have just decided that they want to turf out the government and given the opportunity to do so as early as possible, they have taken it.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:30AM
    • Well I gues we have to give Hockey some slack, it's the exchange rate interfering with the boat pricing.
      Just a rough estimate would suffice Joe, give or take a few billion.
      As for CC they have no intention of acting- "Direct INaction".

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:50AM
    • Macca75 - even if they had i reckon your response would have been the same: "$70 billion black hole !!".

      Do you think by tomorrow Kev will be calling a hundred billion dollar black hole ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:59AM
    • Hacka I think if it really was a true $100 billion dollar black hole you would blindly vote for the Liberals as though it was a god thing!

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:10AM
    • Wish the ALP had given a few billion at any time in the last six years Country Girl. Unfortunately with their "best guess" it was always take.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:15AM
    • AV - You may start to care about the Libs costings in about 6 months when the impacts of them not adding up starts to hit.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:24AM
    • Tone - Treasury, Finance, PBO, economists and Fact Checker have all made a mockery of Labors claims on this one, so your question is a little silly.

      Penny Wong is going to be remembered as the $106 billion woman - now that's a real black hole.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:27AM
    • Whooppie Hacka - I reckon you couldn't care less about a Liberal Party black hole, would consider it part of a necessary evil and would blindly vote for them like sheep.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:33AM
    • To Macca, JT, Country Girl et al...

      Your hypocrisy of ALP/Greens supporters over so-called "back holes" is breathtaking.

      We have just had a government that has consistently, with EVERY budget, managed to mis-forecast the budget outcomes by an average $20 billion per year.

      The ALP has no credibility whatsoever in evaluating Coalition policies and the public knows it.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:50AM
  • So Mumbles thinks voting for independents is a waste of time; - easy, Tony, just you dont vote for them. (Although we will make up our own minds about our votes)

    Commenter
    David D
    Location
    Ettalong Beach
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 8:06AM
    • I suggest you listen to Obama speaking about Syria this morning. Lots of pauses, ums, arrs, reflection, slow and thought through. In fact very similar to the cadence of Abbott when giving non scripted speeches and answers. Not comparing the people just the speech pattern. Do you consider Obama an embarrassment? Just saying.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:39AM
    • Never know whose "advice" to discount first .... Abbott's or Murdoch's.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:48AM
    • Already reflected; I dont know how how Obama makes it in here? Oh - speech patterns. Between Obamas Ums and ahhs there is substance - our homegrown statesman fills these spaces with *climate change* (trans; crap)

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:09AM
    • Its the content that comes out of Abbott's mouth that contrasts him greatly with Obama...not the style.....Abbott and Bush seem to be on a par with idiot category policies

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:11AM
    • Right. So the shrill bleating of the rusties about the embarrasment of having a leader who talks in the way Abbott does, with pauses and ums and aars was not actually about the way he talks, it was about the substance. Just a question, why raise the pauses and ums and aars at all if it was never about that? I think you'll find the answer is you all thought it was a good point until someone points out that one of your idols, Obama, does exactly the same thing. Go on, move onto your next attack on Abbott, oh that's right it's the right who are attacking Rudds character, silly me, why did I expect consistency in your arguments.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:11AM
    • Alredy reflected ; Mumbles is a politician ; spelt *legitimate target for ridicule*. Would you like a loan of my funny bone? or just my hankie (NB; *Barry* cops it too - part of the job)

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:23AM
    • If Abbott adopted the habit of pulling his ear and putting a bit more gravel into his 'Ahs' he could pass as Hawkie.

      Commenter
      Bakayarou
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:39AM
    • No probs with that, just pointing out that the constant attack about his cadence making him embarrassing on the world stage when in fact it is extremely similar to Obama makes the labor shrills sound, well, shrill. Seems you can't actually argue about that point.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:56AM
  • The Pulse @ 9:51 AM

    "Policies that have not been modelled as part of the Coalition's costings are broadband, immigration and climate change (direct action)."

    Trust Abbott.

    After he gave you a 52 page empty booklet and called it a "policy document".

    Be better off readings Murdoch's "unbiased newspapers".

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 8:05AM
  • Just a reminder for all you sport buffs out there.
    Australia has gone downhill in Rugby, Cricket, Soccer, Rugby League, Netball, Swimming, Track & Field since 2007!

    Coincidence?

    Commenter
    byebyekev
    Location
    byebyeLabor
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 8:04AM
    • beasleyst,

      It's amazing isn't it. A group of my friends & I were only talking the other day that prior to this government the PM (Hawke & Howard in particular) used to be at most major sporting events and hand out the premiership trophy (we recall half the crowd would boo & the other half cheer).
      You don't have to be into sport to acknowledge that having a PM support Australian teams shows a they are there to unite the country.
      Something that has indeed been missing for the last 6 years.

      Commenter
      dRod
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:25AM
    • Shouldn't you be in school?

      Commenter
      The Headmaster
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:29AM
    • They've all gone out in sympathy with business confidence

      Commenter
      Louis Cypher
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:44AM
    • Australia spent a huge amount of sport in the leadup to the 2000 Olympics (under both Keating and Howard), and wound it down after that. It's not a coincidence, but it's not a Labor thing either.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:54AM
  • The only people who are remotely interested in the Coalition's "costings" are the ALP and Green rusted ons, looking for a last minute "gotcha" to try and prevent the (to them) unthinkable.

    The average man in the street has no interest whatsoever in the costings, let alone a serious desire to analyse them in detail.

    The vast majority of the electorate already know that the last 6 years of dysfunctional ALP/Green government has been a disaster and they are itching to vote on Saturday to change. Indeed it now appears that a huge number of people have voted already - a sure sign that the much wished for costings are simply an ALP/Green pipe dream.

    Commenter
    Alternate View
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 8:02AM
    • Then that says more for stupidity than it does for anything else. If people don't care about how the Liberals will wreck this country then they don't care. But I care.

      Commenter
      juletjones
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:48AM
    • Finally, someone that understands. The ALP do not see the hypocrisy in wanting the costings - since when did Labor stick to any of theirs??? So the more they go on about costings, the more the reinforce the fact that don't comply with them. How dumb are they???

      Commenter
      JJ
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:38AM
  • Surprise Surprise,
    Hockey and Abbott lied about releasing their costings.
    Who would have thought?????

    Commenter
    Steve
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 8:00AM
    • Who would have cared...?

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:25AM
  • Dearie me, Bob Brown spells out the problem with the Greens in a nutshell.

    Armed with a perfectly reasonable point about the Coalition's lack of respect for the environment, he goes and kills the credibility of his point by comparing Abbott to the Taliban right out of the gates.

    Headline it with Abbott's lack of respect for the environment, Bob. Don't go for the terrorism hyperbole, it just turns people off. You've been in politics for how long without learning this basic lesson?

    Commenter
    Arky
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 7:59AM
    • Don't worry the Greens will be irrelevant after Saturday.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:11AM
    • So Arky, you think it's a good idea to chop down the world's tallest flowering trees in Tasmania?

      You can't see the problem with that Arky? It's Tony Abbott's version of environmental terrorism.

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:16AM
    • Looks like "Arky" and "AA" think that the Greens .... the political party of Australia's youth ... will be irrelevant.

      Not much faith in the youth of Australia from both.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:37AM
    • I take it that you did not watch the movie "The Road" last night?

      Clever: the book was taken from the bible, difficult to spot, but there it is.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:45AM
    • Sharron: Did you notice I said he had a good point? The trouble is that by referring to the Taliban he instantly loses everyone who doesn't already agree with him. This is a problem the Greens have on a regular basis.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:51AM
    • Don't worry, after Abbott has the Tasmanian trees cut down (or dynamited) he'll have his Green Army plant seedlings to replace them!! He just needs to give each one an extra packet of Yates seeds. It all adds up - kinda like his plan to abolish the carbon price but keep the compensation measures and actually SAVE money ...

      Don't worry - the Greens will be more needed than ever after Saturday.

      Commenter
      BC
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:55AM
    • AV - They won't be irrelevant until at Least next July.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:58AM
    • Maybe Macca, although A DD election could fix that.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:12AM
  • Tony Abbott expects people to vote for him when the policies haven't been costed?

    Commenter
    Sharron
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 7:58AM
    • Sharron
      They have been costed, just not announced yet. Three of them were costed by external experts rather than the PBO.
      Kevin released his final costings last night so lets not sit too high on the horse. Labor's NBN is off-budget anyway and the blow out report in that is being kept very secret until after the election.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:09AM
    • Rudd expects us to vote for him when all their costings have repeatedly blown out by $b year after year.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:11AM
    • No, because he knows you're not going to vote for him anyway.

      Your posts on this forum have proven that beyond doubt.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:12AM
    • Over half a million Aussies have already voted.

      That democracy Abbott style.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:15AM
    • No they haven't dcs.

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:20AM
    • JF: you grammar deteriorates - scared? What do you actually want to say and what do you actually mean?

      Commenter
      ET
      Location
      Lakesland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:41AM
    • Already Reflected
      Apparently you do not understand the difference between costing policies and budget revenue. One is a straight forward calculation for the implementation of policy. The other is an estimate of future earnings based on known facts/projections.

      Commenter
      You haven't reflected enough
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:42AM
    • dcs

      You're wasting your bandwith.

      Pitch to your audience

      Sharron operates at the level of derogatory comments about red budgie smugglers.

      Commenter
      Louis Cypher
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:43AM
    • So Louis, you like Abbott's budgie smugglers then?

      Tell us Louis, why didn't Abbott send his policies off for costing?

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:03AM
    • The rusted cling to something, anything, to decry what's happening around them. Better close your eyes Sharron, the tidal wave is upon you.

      Commenter
      JF Cheer Squad
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:06AM
  • Is abbott serious about this?...Scrapping a world wide ETS for his "direct action"policy to plant trees and better manage soil?..Seriously?...This is a joke right?

    Commenter
    Tory Tony
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 7:56AM
    • the laugh is really on the people who vote for it

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:06AM
    • Well atleast we have a choice this time. Unlike last time when Gillard promised "there will be no carbon tax under a Govt I lead" only to have one force onto us as Gillard did all she could to stay as PM.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:58AM
  • Hey, what a surprise, the policies the Coalition won't even give the numbers for 2 days out from the election are:

    - The crazy boat buyback scheme
    - Direct action to give free money to polluters without real effect on the environment; and
    - Fraudband

    How Abbott supporters dare to talk about waste with those three wastes of money on the table I'll never know.

    Commenter
    Arky
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 7:54AM
    • I'll join you in giving boat buyback & direct action the big X, but I their alternative policies on very fast broadband is just sensible.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:15AM
  • Hey Econorat

    FYI from yesterday re your query.

    In nor particular order these are the indicators I use - you know where to find them :),

    -terms of trade (falling off its highs)

    -capex (non mining is terrible)

    -manufacturing employment (steady job numbers then fallen 100,000 since 2008)

    -low credit growth

    -private sector debt attributed to unproductive mortgages

    -business cash flow/arrears getting worse

    -state final demand (domestic weak)

    -employment growth/trends as per Deewr

    -business/consumer confidence/sentiment in doldrums

    -PMI index/surveys terrible (see your favourite aigroup site)

    -growing production/exports for mining but how will the small players cope with falling commodity prices/extra supply

    -investor growth in mortgages backed by subsidies and cheap overseas finance but locals having too much capital tied up in unproductive housing

    The underlying fundamentals show weak or recessionary levels outside of mining and banks. Can't wait for the mining capex reduction in 2014 and beyond.

    All could have been managed at any time in the last 3 years by Julia and Glenn with appropriate monetary settings and policies to ensure a competitive and well balanced economy.

    A few mainstream commentators now share similar concerns like Saul Eslake recently.

    Commenter
    Opinion Only
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 7:52AM
  • My Facebook page had "News Feed" advertisements from both the ALP and the LNP this morning! Both unsolicited.

    Not happy Facebook!!!

    Commenter
    dRod
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 7:45AM
  • English boat immigrant Abbott is buying leaky old boats from the people smugglers for billions of our tax payers dollars,then the same people smugglers buy back their boats at auction for a pittance then Abbott buys the same boats back for billions again,and so it goes over and over..i wonder if that is in his costings?

    Commenter
    Steeden
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 7:41AM
    • Steeden.
      Your access to the details of this policy which will be very quickly and rightly scrapped on Day 1 should amaze us all.
      But Billions of dollars? Really. I know the sky is falling for you but me thinks you might be gilding the lily.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:12AM
  • Pen
    Climate change is real. We get it. However, totally removing Australia's carbon footprint (one of the smallest on Earth per square km) will barely make an impact.
    I personally feel that an ETS that involves the potential for any money to flow to overseas to purchase carbon credits that artifically make us feel we are achieving reduction rates is bad for Australia and not making a real contribution to the environment.
    Whatever contribution we make from the wealth of Australia (be that through taxation revenue or increased prices from energy suppliers etc to cover a carbon levy/ETS) should be directed at initiatives that make a real difference, be they domestically or internationally. Perhpas the best bang for our bucks could be assisting overseas initiatives in developing economies. The global community should then give Australia credit for emission reductions that we cause regardless of where.
    I think a really open mind with a view to affecting the global problem would be a much better idea. Direct Action on a global scale perhaps, remembering our tiny output is really insignificant.

    Commenter
    dcs
    Location
    Brisbane
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 7:40AM
    • Now "dcs" is all for more immigration .... good, lets not hear anymore rubbish about refugees.

      How else is "Direct Action" going to work.

      Abbott is promising jobs, jobs and infrastructure (with bulldozers on the ground and cranes in the sky).

      So where is Abbott going to get people to plant seedlings for his "Direct Action" ?

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:14AM
    • So you prefer Abbotts absurd approach, open up Tassie for extreme logging then go and attempt to plant some trees out in the sticks with no plan for watering etc.
      Gee that makes for a lot of sense!

      Commenter
      A country ga
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:35AM
    • dcs

      What on earth are you saying? How many times do I have to state:

      “Australia produced 449 million short tons (MMst) of coal in 2010—about 40% of U.S. production—making Australia the world's fourth-largest coal producer, after China, the USA, and India. But Australia is the world's largest coal exporter, exporting about 70% of its coal production or nearly 300 MMst in 2010.

      Australia accounted for almost one-third of bituminous coal exports worldwide in 2010; a large share of this coal consisted of coking coal used for steel manufacture.”

      Coal production of 449 million tonnes produces 1.284 billion tonnes of CO2 emissions annually.

      As for meaningful climate change action there is only one practical choice and that can be seen at

      http://science.time.com/2013/06/13/the-power-and-beauty-of-solar-energy/

      The Coalition Direct Action Plan is a farce; the facts of the science of carbon in soil prove this beyond question. I suggest that you read the CSIRO report on the subject.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:41AM
    • OK
      first to admit I do not understand what you are trying to say Fraser, but I am not sure I have made my contention clear as it had nothing to do with immigration. I am suggesting that if we can help decrease global emissions in developing countries by more than Australia lets dedicate our resources for climate change to that.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:46AM
    • JF, even before planting the seedlings there's much to do that has not in the slightest been considered.
      Obtaining the seed, what species, who grows, where, when, water, guards, fencing, pest control etc etc etc.
      it's not going to happen and they have no intention.
      All propaganda to appeal to any right leaners who realise CC is real.
      Chop down Tassie and plant in the desert! Duh!

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:56AM
    • JF: Students; from Queensland! ;-)

      Commenter
      ET
      Location
      Lakesland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:40AM
    • Climate change is a con. when will people get THAT!! No warming for 16 years and counting!!!!

      Commenter
      timesup
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:47PM
  • Is my vote wanted by either of the majors?

    I reside in the electorate of Lalor Vic. It has a 22% margin and a safe ALP seat and is the electorate of ex PM Gillard.

    Is my vote wanted? It is telling that I have seen no representative pounding the streets, no door knockers, nothing in my mail box.

    This is the story of the past few years.

    Commenter
    Scott
    Location
    Lalor
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 7:39AM
    • Yours is the story of living in a non marginal Labor seat. Labor's funds would needed elsewhere.

      Our seat is non marginal Liberal but we still get a bit of info sent out from our candidate. No door knockers though.

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:03AM
    • Vote Liberal if you feel you should. Then the ALP might get a nasty shock for it's complacency.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:06AM
    • On 774 this morning they had an analyst on who said 2/3rds of seats are generally not in play and only 20% of people are swining voters and about 5% of voters don't pay any attention

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:11AM
    • Same thing happening in Mitchell.
      Though we did receive Tony s pamphlet - which was a good fire starter.

      Commenter
      AL
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:12AM
    • @Scott

      Think yourself lucky.

      At my place I have received 4 letters from the Abbott candidate and 4 letters from Abbott in the last 3 weeks.

      They come in envelopes with a window and are indistinguishable from government letters.

      Sneaky .... you decide ... as Abbott would say.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:24AM
    • I'm with you Scott - I've seen zip.

      Can only conclude Labor assume the seat is so safe for them and the Libs assume the seat is so safe for Labor neither of them are putting any effort in.

      Can we blame Julia?

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:12AM
  • Journos must be running short of stories if they think there is any air in replacing Jaymes Diaz, Lib for Greenway.

    His story is funny & hilarious in an otherwise dead campaign and as a result he has been heading for a cult status without having done or said anything of significance.

    Its a joke story to suggest that any Liberal who is about to win a seat in what was once safe Labor heartland should be removed. Putting Fiona Scott aside most political candidates would be envious of the amount of media attention he is attracting whilst he has clearly been trying to avoid it.

    Go Jaymes Diaz Go!

    Commenter
    Vulture
    Location
    Gladesville
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 7:39AM
    • Michelle Rowland - a candidate that has worked hard for her electorate or James Diaz, a man who does not even know what he stands for? I wonder who the smart people of Greenway will vote as their representative??
      Michelle has been an active member for her electorate: Among her many achievements she upgraded every local school in the area, secured a new Clinical School and additional beds at Blacktown Hospital, increased funding to Blacktown TAFE, fought for new playgrounds at local parks as part of the Community Infrastructure Program, upgraded the Riverstone Museum...But hey Diaz will stop the boats with some sort of a mysterious plan which now has been revealed as "we will never report on the boats so the public don't know about them". Good on you Australia, we are about to show the world how smart we are by electing Diaz.

      Commenter
      Beleiver
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:09AM
  • Anyone else find Abbott's appearance on Big Brother with his daughters disturbing, creepy. "The bloke with the good looking daughters" received the kind of reception from the contestants that's usually reserved for JackAss movies. Raptures of disbelief. Totally bizarre.

    Commenter
    Marry my daughter
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 7:38AM
    • Yes! I did!

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:05AM
    • Sharron

      Really?

      Who would have thought?!

      Commenter
      Louis Cypher
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:28AM
    • Abbott will have to deal with :

      Angela Merkel Chancellor of Germany
      Dilma Rousseff President of Brazil
      Geun-hye Park President of South Korea
      Cristina Fernández de Kirchner President of Argentina
      Yingluck Shinawatra Prime Minister of Thailand

      And then there is Gina Rinehart ... but most Aussies don't think she will have any trouble.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:35AM
  • Wait for it! Its coming! Coalition low interest loans to enable all Australians to buy Mumbles brand mangos! Jeez, thanks Joe!

    Commenter
    David D
    Location
    Ettalong Beach
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 7:37AM
  • I wonder if they washed all the t-shirts before they handed them out again.

    Commenter
    Already Reflected
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 7:33AM
  • I'll lay out the challenge again today. Can anyone tell me a policy that labor successfully implemented on budget, on time and that achieved the stated goals in the last 6 years?
    Yesterday's attempts were the NDIS, not yet delivered or fully funded, and saving us from recession, arguable and also easily done when you blow the budget and spend $250b+ more than you earn, leaving nearly $200b net debt, also even if you call it a policy it doesn't meet the first criteria as every budget blew out massively.
    So 0 from 2 so far, any takers?

    Commenter
    Already Reflected
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 7:32AM
    • I'll take that challenge.

      Labor had a policy to dump Krudd before the last election - they did it on time and on budget.

      They then had a policy to dump Gillard before this election, they did it on time and on budget.

      Labor delivers in spades when it comes to attacking each other.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 7:52AM
    • Go to the Parliament of Australia website where you do a search for the 43rd Parliament...over 900 pieces of legislation passed both houses....an outstanding record ...the most of any parliament.....
      You want 1...but here are 900....go on already reflected......criticise each one of them as not being relevant....if you do you show how your whinging is full of huff and puff and bulldust!

      Here is one of the 900......
      Tax Laws Amendment (Medicare Levy) Bill 2013

      DATE15 May 2013
      CHAMBER
      House of Representatives
      STATUS
      Assent
      PORTFOLIO
      Treasury
      SUMMARY
      Amends the Medicare Levy Act 1986 to increase the Medicare levy low-income threshold amounts for families and the dependent child-student component of the threshold from the 2012-13 financial year.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 7:57AM
    • Already reflected...the bit about the govt spending more than you earn....that is relevant to a household budget, however, a govt budget is NOT organised on the same principles of a household or business budget....to not know that shows MUCH ignorance of the economics which drives our economy....give me your interpretation of automatic stabilisers and how they work in a govt budget sitauation given differing economic conditions.....your challenge for the day

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:02AM
    • kp
      Must disagree. Initial dumping of Rudd was way behind what would have been a reasonable timeframe. But like your thinking.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:04AM
    • Already
      How aboutyou give us a list of LNP achievements - on time, on budget?
      I'll make it easy. Nothing!

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:11AM
    • Stopping a Recession.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:13AM
    • JT, its a very simple question which in 2 irrelevant replies have failed to address. So I take it from that you can't actually give me an example of policy delivered on time, to budget and delivering the stated purpose.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:14AM
    • Steve, they've been in opposition, but I'll take it by your response you also have nothing.
      tasch2, repeating it won't make it true. Again I'll take by your repeated response that you have nothing else.
      So, so far not one reasonable response with a concrete policy delivered on time, to budget with the desired result. And you wonder why people are turning away from labor?

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:22AM
    • already reflected...I gave you 900.....you have the problem if you have an inability to find and read them....challenge over

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:29AM
    • Actually the peer-reviewed research tells us that Labor did NOT save us from the GFC.

      http://www98.griffith.edu.au/dspace/bitstream/handle/10072/35605/65865_1.pdf?sequence=1

      Commenter
      Bakayarou
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:35AM
    • Mr Reflected. By keeping the country out of recession what do you save?

      Lets look at history. The last time this country went through a recession was during the early 90's. At this time unemployment reached 11%. At present in countries where there is serious recession such as Spain and Greece (to whom Tony has compared us) it is about 27%. However to be nice I will stick with the Australian perspective.

      At present there are about 11.7m people employed in Australia. If we take the 11% number as reflective of what would occur in a recession then there would be about 1.2m unemployed. Currently the median wage is about $57.4K (note the avg wage is about $74K but again I will be nice). The tax payable on this is about 10K. Through multiplication this amounts to about 131B in tax receipts. Of course given that 5.5% are already unemployed you ought to halve this figure to around 65B. You would then need to add on the cost of unemployment benefits which amounts to about 8B (again being generous calculated at the lowest dole rate). This gives you a figure of 73B pa.

      Fours years at that rate would more than surpass the 250B, in your view, it cost to stay out of recession.

      You must also consider the effect of Recession on constituents. How many could afford to keep up their loans etc and would go close to bankruptcy as a result? How many could afford to spend money in the private sector? This would lead to lower investment as well as lower tax receipts from business not to mention the personal losses incurred by business people.

      The country is in a better position to take a hit than individuals and the cost is worth it.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:05AM
    • JT you talk about 900 pieces of "legislation", I asked for just one "policy" delivered on time, to budget and with the desired result. Again you can't answer that question. I thought this would have been easy for all the rusties claiming labor have been such a successful government?

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:06AM
    • @Tasch2 On what basis do you claim that Labor kept us out of a recession? The evidence does not support that.

      Commenter
      Bakayarou
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:32AM
    • tasch, you may be right, maybe they did save us from recession, however I think the point is debatable. The real pont is that they did it at a cost far and above what was required, and what they budgeted for, therefore it fails the first test, "within budget". Every year, even every few weeks we were being told that there had been unprecedented tax write downs. This was a lie, the government had been way to optimistic in its forecasts and spent all the money before they collected it. Hockey and the coalition warned them of this on many occasions. Every bug was written down by tens of billions. The fact that you persist in arguing this point rather than putting up any other policy that was within budget, on time and toed liveried desired outcomes absolutely proves my point. Despite the abject failure of this government on budget responsibility and policy delivery you and other idealists here will still vote for Labor and continue to criticize others for voting for the coalition, who have many members who have experience in a government that actually delivered policy on time and to budget.

      Commenter
      Already Reflected
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:06AM
    • Dear Mr Bakayarou

      Recession = Two quarters of negative growth. There have not been two quarters of negative. That is the basis of my statement.

      Mr Reflected. I am happy to agree to disagree. Everyone has a particular view on Government spending and how they should spend.

      Personally I think that spending money to keep the economy out of recession was worth the cost. the issue for people who like to know the cost is that it is very difficult to quantify the cost of something that didn't happen and, as such, very difficult to do a cost/benefit analysis. At this point it spills over from a quantitative argument to a qualitative one and a persons inherent beliefs begin to tkae over. When this happens it is very difficult to come to consensus.

      With reference to referring back to "one thing" I would suggest that if you accept that the country was kept out of Recession then those policies implemented to achieve this were part of that success, such as handing out money, home insulation and BER. Again I accept that you may disagree with this however I would y that it was worth the cost because of the overarching goal of keeping the economy out of recession.

      Personally I am glad that the economy was kept out of Recession and think it was worth the cost. I work for myself and given how tight money is for people at the moment I can notice the drop off in people willing to hire me. If a recession had happened I can't imagine that i would have been able to continue. Putting spending power in the hands of the public keeps private enterprise afloat. If you have to manufacture this it is worth the cost.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:59PM
    • @ Tasch2
      The question is WHY there was no recession. And the peer reviewed evidence is that is was NOT due to the government's actions.

      This is not opinion, it is a scholarly, peer-reviewed analysis.

      I thought everyone would be interested in that.

      Commenter
      Bakayarou
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 1:35PM
  • Mr Abbott has shapeshifted his way
    into government. He has changed postions on his costings many times. We are expected to accept this. The costings will change again next week,
    when he plans to introduce his Audit office. This is the exact same tactic, including the so called "contract" that was used in Queensland to con the electorate up there. Now the Teaparty experiment has gone national and we are stuck with it.

    Commenter
    virag0
    Location
    Penrith, NSW
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 7:30AM
    • By conning the Qld electorate you mean bringing them back from near fiscal annihilation whiloe lowering overall unemployment at the same time. Nobody likes to be around at the end of the night when the lights are turned on and you have to clean up, but its got to be done.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 7:56AM
    • @"dcs"

      Ha ha ..... god one.

      It now looks like Queensland is the unhealthy State.

      http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/queensland-in-a-sick-state-20130904-2t5fb.html

      Fortunately Beattie & Bligh went on a spending spree and there are plenty of new hospitals to take those who are sick.

      The slope that the LNP newman government gets steeper and steeper.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:10AM
    • Now to balance the books, the LNP government has sold its office buildings in the CBD for far less than their book price and will rent them back at market price.

      The drop in price was more than the interest on the loans being paid per annum.

      So, if that is an example of LNP financial ability, I pity Australia.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:19PM
  • The Pulse

    It would be nice to know how many hits this government website has had :

    http://electioncostings.gov.au/coalition-costings/

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 7:29AM
    • Fraser - it would be nice to know if you still standby your Labor by 10 seats quip.

      Commenter
      brian
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:35AM
    • @brian

      Its been a Labor win by 13 for quite some time now.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:09AM
  • After all the anticipation, I woke up this morning to sunshine, chirping birds, and the realisation that I just dont care about Coalition costings. The policies are simply not on my *must buy* list.Might be the *contract* in my mailbox yesterday with invisible fine print and no prices.

    Commenter
    David D
    Location
    Ettalong Beach
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 7:27AM
  • I wonder if Bowen & Wong have already got their "black hole" number ready to be on the news tonight after the Coalition release the costings?

    Commenter
    notlad
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 7:26AM
    • Are you suggesting they'd be making things up if they came out with the usual Liberal Party massive black hole in their costings?

      I mean, they did come out with a massive Hockeynomics $11.5 billion dollar black hole last time.

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 7:52AM
    • To be honest, given the choice looking back I would have taken that number from what we ended up with. Labor proved earlier this year they can do that amount of dough from the bottom line in a few weeks.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:06AM
    • The black hole number hasn't changed.
      Only Hockey's accounting system has changed.
      Governments are supposed to use cash accounting methods, he has decided to use accrual accounting.
      But then, LNP lies are acceptable aren't they?

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:15AM
  • Kev surrounded by the party faithful yet again.
    Ever since the Sydney markets, they have not let him face the public.
    Don't forget to hand back your T-shirts after the cameras are gone folks.

    Commenter
    beasleyst
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 7:25AM
    • Yes, a very different reception at the Sydney markets between KRudd and Tony Abbott wasn't there?

      Speaks volumes.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:03AM
    • Rudd has his buffer zone of supporters to protect him from the 'real people' he always claims to want to talk to.

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:05AM
    • The Rent-a-Crowd business is doing very well out of Rudd's campaigning.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:14AM
  • If Palmer is fair dinkum about suing Murdoch i will happily vote for him !..

    Commenter
    Archer
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 7:24AM
    • It's his best policy announcement yet!

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 7:55AM
  • I find this interesting from the Libs expected announcement on costing today-
    "He will tell voters the $6 billion improvement will come from savings and higher economic growth"
    So they are banking on the economy doing better than treasury estimates - what could go wrong with that plan?

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 7:13AM
    • That Treasury would astound us all and actually be right for once?

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 7:18AM
    • How funny is that? The very thing they have been claiming is the downfall of Labor budget planning is the same thing that they are going to do - use predictions of future income.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 7:21AM
    • Macca,

      I'll take Coalition projections any day over Labor projections.
      Mining tax revenue?
      Cigarette tax revenue?
      NBN take-up?

      Commenter
      notlad
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 7:29AM
    • I know its probably hard for you to accept this Macca and you seem quite passionate about your views, but when you run a medium sized business you can sometime take the temperature of your workers to get a feel for the general mood of the electorate, we have a mix of employees, ranging from 23 to 50, we keep our staff happy and allow them to see the state of the business and we talk about what effects our business good and bad. Over the past six years, the now 23 year olds have gone from being fresh out of school with a left wing ideology to, in some cases young men and women who have got married or are in a relationship and buying their first property, it would amaze you to see the transformation in attitudes towards Labor, and the more senior workers are filthy on what’s happened to their superannuation under the Rudd – Gillard Labor government, and you know the most ironic thing about it all, no one cares about what the Coalition have on costing’s, the mood is, we know they will do better than Labor, that’s the bottom line.

      Commenter
      Peter G
      Location
      Drummoyne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 7:45AM
    • Tones. I thought the downfall was actually spending those predicions of future incomes before they are realized.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 7:59AM
    • Peter G - Name a coalition policy that actually makes sense?

      Lewis the treasury figures are more than likely wrong, but which way? It is fudging to assume different growth rates to say the least.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:04AM
    • notlad
      It is amazing that LNP supporters are comfortable accepting LNP lies as a necessary evil, but burst a gasket if there is a hint of a Labor lie.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:13AM
    • Lewis, which is exactly what the Liberals are proposing!

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:48AM
    • @Steve:

      "It is amazing that LNP supporters are comfortable accepting LNP lies as a necessary evil, but burst a gasket if there is a hint of a Labor lie"

      You surely are deluded, because the truth of the matter is the reverse.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:55AM
    • Just so you know, I don't accept Labor lies any more than I accept Liberal lies. They are both outrageous liars.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:51PM
    • Peter G
      I find when dealing with students they tend to blame the current government for any difficulties they are having. I would say that this the same for your workers.

      Unless someone explains how it was under another government, they are not to know.

      My grandfather used to tell me how it was in the Great Depression, other wise I would not have known.

      It is the adage of being well informed, of being educated and able to think for oneself, rather than, lemming like going along with the general consensus.

      I would say that there might be a strong Liberal voice in your workplace who has influenced these young people. I hope they have not been promised higher wages because as you know and I know, that will not happen.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 3:14PM
  • Today Hockey will release final costings that will inevitably be light on detail; and, Rudd wil claim he singelhandedly saved us from the GFC. Boys & girls, here we have the Lalalians of Lala Land.

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 7:10AM
  • As an elderly person I have seen more than my fair share of human credulousness, therefore I think it important that younger people understand what they are allowing to happen. As a home gardener I was not surprised to see this year’s winter vegetables go to seed, it is a consequence of warm weather. The record warm winter also casts doubt on stone fruit crops as the trees require so many hours of chilling during winter months to bear fruit, no chilling: no fruit? A recent study examined 612 crop pests and pathogens. Tropical insects, fungi, and bacteria are moving toward regions normally considered too cold for their existence. The mountain pine beetle has migrated to create the largest forest insect blight ever seen.

    These consequences on a national scale will affect prices and availability of food and water.

    Yesterday I requested everyone to visit
    http://science.time.com/2013/06/13/the-power-and-beauty-of-solar-energy/

    It shows a USA recently completed and largest concentrated solar power station on earth. Please take a peak; it is a breathtaking picture that should inspire all of us. It may surprise that Australian science has improved on what you see in the picture; regrettably the politics in particular of the Coalition is allowing our science to go to waste. It’s also regrettable that our politicians don’t explain the multiple insidious nature of climate change. There’s no cure at all for its consequences, which will last for a very long time.

    Prevention is our only defence and the only practical prevention is shown in the picture.

    Think of climate change as a cancer systematically destroying life from every imaginable direction. It is not simply warming it is the multitude of dangers the warming brings.

    Please vote wisely it is extremely important that you do so for the children’s Earth.

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    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    September 05, 2013, 7:07AM
    • @"Pen"

      I hope you are not signing of for the duration.

      The Pulse will have lost the political staffers (they certainly didn't add anything" , but your loss would be missed.

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      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 7:33AM
    • Totally agree with you Pen.

      But a tax that goes to the government doesn't actually do anything.

      Unless Kev who thinks his god can just pop up stairs and pay our pollution dues to his maker and we get clean air back!

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      4Ken
      Location
      Auburn
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 7:37AM
    • Interesting that Google is a big investor in Ivanpah.

      http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/04/aerial-construction-photos-of-huge-google-backed-solar-power-plant/237191/

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      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 7:54AM
    • J.Fraser

      I was up in the wee hours writing and trying to understand what I could write to make people see sense. I don't write for myself, I will be dead soon, my concern is what the children will face and the obliviousness of their parents.

      It is truly credulous the inane arguments against CC when it is happening right now before their very eyes. For instance Fusarium head blight, another pest attracted to warmer and wetter conditions has decimated American wheat and oat crops, costing farmers billions of dollars. Still more pests are steadily making their way northward.

      How can people ignore things like this? There simply is no magic cure for CC.The only sensible thing to do is to cut coal production ASAP. The picture shows how at

      http://science.time.com/2013/06/13/the-power-and-beauty-of-solar-energy/

      Have a look and tell me what you think.

      Cheers

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      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 7:59AM
    • @"Pen"

      Yes I looked at the Ivanpah project and I agree it is good (90% of water is recycled).

      I have the greatest confidence in Australia's youth and a slightly less when it comes to technology.

      Abbott is the absolute bottom of the pit when it comes to technology and the future .... no knowledge and no vision.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:20AM
    • pen, you do make sense. On a bright note I read an article a couple of days ago stating the Chinese production of PV panels is surging after a two year lull. Someone is listening and acting against CC. Panels alone is no fix but a move in the right direction.
      What absurdity with Abbott though opening up old growth forests in Tassie on one hand and then his pathetic attempt at DA?
      As Albo stated, "in your guts you know he's nuts".

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      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:41AM
    • pen...you can't change people......you can only make changes in yourself....mind you it doesn't hurt to get all this sort of stuff off your chest and express yourself....that is the value of this blog but give up the idea that you will change someone and they will see 'sense'

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 8:45AM
    • I don't think the political staffers have to leave. I don't think they're covered by the advertising ban. Hacka et al are still all here.

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 9:27AM
    • We are not alone.

      Commenter
      PJ
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:12AM
    • I too can see the effect of climate change in my garden. Everything is happening earlier. Judging by the record warm winter we are going to have a record heatwave summer with bushfires and floods from climate-change induced ocean evaporation.
      I said in another blog that funeral directors said that deaths amongst the elderly were down this winter due to the warmer winter. My fear is that the heatwaves we will have this year that will set new records as they did last year, will have a high death toll amongst the elderly. So if you have an elderly relative without air conditioning buy them at least a window-mounted unit.
      On the broader climate-change front I think we are doomed. The basic selfishness of the human race will be our undoing. Combating climate change requires we all make sacrifices (small) and change our ways for the good of many. That is not going to happen and the resistance of the Noalition is one example why. You don't what you've got till it's gone.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 10:41AM
    • Add to these technologies the Australian developed ceramic fuel cell - bieing ignored in Australia, but a production plant has been set up in Europe where they seem a little more "enlightened".

      Basically, a unit the size of a dishwasher is fed water and natural gas. Out comes heat (hot water, 30litres per day) and electricity. The systems can contribute to base-load power.

      Justther example of Australian innovation languishing in the country of its development.

      Commenter
      Grizwald
      Location
      Alexandria
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:28AM
    • You have raised some good points but please do not give a party political statement on behalf of labor,according to our climate change experts our dams would run dry by now, shear propaganda for a did functional govt to be seen on the world stage. According to Garnou if only Australia did what we are saying and no one else does a thing we will have zero change to the world, and while solar farms and wind farms are an ideological pipe dream at present and totally unviable in parts of the world.

      Commenter
      Taffy
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 11:31AM
    • 4Ken, Rudd has not been able to implement a good working climate change policy - fail. Gillard just sold out to Bob Brown for power and gave aus a do nothing tax in the process - fail. The ALP has had their chances, they failed, again and as always.

      Commenter
      Kelly K
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:18PM
    • Taffy

      I have not mentioned Labor, nor is my post one of support for Labor. You seem to be of the opinion that the rest of the world is doing nothing to blunt climate change, nothing could be further from the truth. Clearly you have not looked at

      http://science.time.com/2013/06/13/the-power-and-beauty-of-solar-energy/

      Doubtless you are also unaware that In 2012 China spent $109.8 billion on green energy. The USA despite its financial woes invested $35 billion. India has set aside US$7.9 billion to facilitate the flow of renewable energy into its electricity grid.

      In 2011 India produced 162 billion KWh through green energy compared to Australia’s 29 billion KWh. China 797 billion KWh, and the USA 520 billion KWh. Canada of similar size and population to that of Australia produced 399 billion KWh.

      Australia being the greatest producer of Co2 per capita is so far down the list of green energy producing countries it is embarrassing.

      Perhaps you can enlighten us of what parts of the world cannot produce green energy, because I do not know of any that cannot produce green energy.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:39PM
    • Kelly K -- nobody was expecting Gillard/Rudd to stop climate change, just to slow it -- and they did yield a decrease in emissions http://www.smh.com.au/data-point/carbon-tax-contributes-to-emissions-drop-20121017-27rl6.html. The Coalition does not even believe in climate change! Or science for that matter.

      Commenter
      GuybrushThreepwood
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 12:51PM
    • Pen you have to believe in the young ones. The school curriculum includes climate change and they can research the net for fact and research.

      I feel sure if there is need for activism, there will be enough to take up the challenge as young ones always have done.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      September 05, 2013, 2:23PM
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