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Federal Election 2013 Live August 27, 2013

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Jacqueline Maley

Jacqueline Maley

Parliamentary Sketch Writer for the Sydney Morning Herald

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And so my friends, I bid ye farewell. Thanks for bearing with me today while I dealt with the technical difficulties of the blogosphere. It's not easy being a slave to the internet. But it is certainly fun having such close contact with readers. 

Steph Peatling will be back as normal tomorrow, and then I will return tomorrow evening to live blog the people's forum between Rudd and Abbott at the Rooty Hill RSL.

I reckon it's going to be a ding-dong battle. Until then.  

 

 

By popular demand ...

Health reporter Dan Harrison's report on the National Press Club debate between Health Minister Tanya Plibersek and her shadow Peter Dutton.

A note on the previous post on the Coalition policy on $200 vouchers for pre-marital counselling (3.17pm)

I have spoken to a source from Abbott's office about it, and he says the money can be recouped by same-sex couples as well as straight couples. 

Obviously same-sex couples won't be getting pre-marital counselling, per se, because they can't get legally married yet. But they can use the $200 towards relationship counselling. 

The scheme would be a capped one-year trial. I am seeking more detail for you but the main point is that same-sex couples are not excluded by it.

But of course they are still excluded from marriage itself. 

I have noticed a few reader comments saying they have no idea what Twitter is. Which is fair enough - views on the worth of the micro-blogging site are very diverse, shall we say. 

Certainly, I think the Coalition's media strategy in particular is to basically ignore it, as they believe most people on Twitter are left-leaning "insiders" who are only talking in an echo chamber - ie it has no "cut-through" to "real Australia", wherever/whoever that is.

What do you think? I suppose political parties need to harness all forms of communication. For example, 70 per cent of Australians on Facebook check it every single day. 

So if you're a savvy politician wanting to reach Facebook users, then it makes sense to get something up there. 

But I think most pensioners and many working people probably get their news from the telly at night.

Something that is buzzing around on the Twitters this afternoon is a policy from the Coalition which would give $200 to every couple who "register their intention to marry".

Sadly, they cannot use the cash towards a flight to Vegas or blow it on booze for the reception. They must spend it on pre-marriage counselling.

I don't recall this policy but it appears to be a previously-announced one. It came up again on the Australian Christian Lobby website, in response to a question about what each party will do to encourage "marriage and resilience in couple relationships". 

Check it out here. If you scroll down to point 14 entitled "Children", it's in there, after the section on LNP policy.

I am trying to confirm whether it is still Coalition policy.

Some people on Twitter have expressed outrage that while the Coalition doesn't support same-sex marriage, it would shell out cash to straight couples to get hitched.

As the pace slows this afternoon, let's look around at some longer reads. My colleague Peter Hartcher has this interesting op-ed in which he argues that while Tony Abbott, probably the nation's next prime minister, has promised a government of no surprises, the world cannot make him the same promise. 

Hartcher explains that the world's emerging economies may be the next to founder, with knock-on effects for the globe, including lil ole us. 

As per the last post on Peter Dutton and Coalition health policy, here is a link to the AFR article about the shadow health minister, in which he says that health policy will not be a huge priority for the Opposition during the election campaign.

The article, by my Fin colleague (and netball comrade) Joanna Heath, is behind the paywall. In it, Dutton says:

"I've played a team game in opposition and on occasions that comes at a personal cost. Which I've been happy to do."

"Whilst the government has failed in health, their bigger failures have been in border protection, in lying to the electorate about the carbon tax, the government's own waste, mismanagement and incompetence, and they're the issues which all fit in to cost-of-living pressures, that's the biggest factor across Australian society at the moment.

"Our focus, at the moment, has been on cost-of-living issues, the imposition of the carbon tax with no environmental outcomes and that's meant most of our debate time has been taken up by those issues."

 

A note on health policy - I know some blog-commenters are interested in it, as am I. And it's true that in election debates we often get caught up in the fripperies and forget the policy meat. 

Health reporter Dan Harrison was at today's health debate and gave it his full attention, so we will await his more detailed report - we have specialists in journalism for a reason.

But on a more general note - health is consistently rated by voters as one of their most important issues. However it has barely been given the time of day during this campaign - beyond frequent Labor claims that Abbott ripped billions out of the health budget as health minister (claims he denies and which our Fact Checker has deemed false.)

A few months ago, shadow health minister Peter Dutton told the AFR that health was not a huge priority for the Coalition (I paraphrase, I will find the article in a minute and get the full quote). 

If you do want to compare the two parties' health policies, we have a handy policy guide for you here. Just click on the "Health" topic in the top right and let your contemplation begin. And of course, your debate!

 

Rudd has touched down in Brisbane and is doing another presser. Oi veh. 

Sadly we cannot hear the audio as it is in a windy location. His fringe is not coping and neither are the sound engineers.

The inimitable Jonathan Swan, political reporter, has filed this piece about the detail of Tony Abbott's policy proposal for the Central Coast.

Which just happens to be home to a few juicy marginal seats (Dobell and Robertson).

Now we have a little respite as both leaders are jumping into jets this afternoon. Abbott and his homies are heading to Melbourne, and Rudd is en route to Brisbane. 

Here is a photo Andrew Meares took earlier, of Rudd at the Lowy Institute, with its chair, Michael Fullilove looming in the background. Rudd is doing his chop suey hand gesture. 

 

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd addressed the Lowy Institute in Sydney on Tuesday 27 August 2013. Election 2013. Photo: Andrew Meares

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd addressed the Lowy Institute in Sydney on Tuesday 27 August 2013. Election 2013. Photo: Andrew Meares Photo: Andrew Meares

I have just received a post asking why I am not covering the National Press Club debate between Health Minister Tanya Plibersek and her opposition shadow Peter Dutton. 

The poster asks whether there is a reason for this, or "does it simply reflect the dumbing down of mainstream political reporting?"

How bruising. 

The reason is quite simply that we have a health reporter, Dan Harrison, at the debate, and I judged it better that we post his report in a little while, rather than me update it piecemeal as it happens.

One cannot do everything at once, dear poster WhyallaWipeout. But thank you for reading. 

Of course, if you wanted to tune into the debate, you can always watch them yourself - either on telly or live-streamed on the ABC website.

Not all politicians are campaigning in marginal seats or metro locales. Labor Senator Louise Pratt is kicking it in Warakurna, a remote community in Western Australia. She spoke to Breaking Politics this morning. Through the wonders of the internets. The issues are different out here, she says. 

 

As we have previously reported, Barry O'Farrell was very hurt that Kevin Rudd did not pick up the phone to warn him in advance of his plan to move the navy from Garden Island (see 11.34am post)

Boffa chastised the Prime Minister when they awkwardly crossed paths in Sydney.

Why didn't you call me, Kev? 

Fairfax's own Judith Ireland has a lovely colour piece on the encounter here. And a video of the encounter.

 

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Kevin, you could have called

Kevin Rudd's campaign announcement of the day - a new look at shifting the Navy out of Sydney's Garden Island - has earned him an embarrassing dressing down from the NSW Premier.

A little more on the removal of the navy from Garden Island, amidst the chic climes of Sydney's Potts Point (your blogger is a former resident, one grew pleasantly used to the crisp white uniforms of the officers in the cafes of Challis Avenue). 

Rudd wants to send their naval a-ses to Brisbane, which he says is a more strategic location.

Premier O'Farrell is dead against the idea, but Rudd has hit back. A story on the stoush here, by David Wroe and Deborah Snow.

 

Onto some fact checker action. In this humble blogger's opinion, factcheckers are a very welcome and  - dare I say it - exciting addition to this election campaign. 

Here we test Rudd's claim that he is being outspent in campaign ads, ten to one. 

But the other side thinks Labor is out-spending it in negative ads. 

They can't both be right, right? 

Find out the truth here.

 

 

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd Photo: Andrew Meares

Bazza O'Farrell was not on the harbour foreshore for no reason - he too was there for a press conference.It's his foreshore and he'll complain about Rudd government policies if he wants to.

He was criticising Rudd's proposal to relocate the navy from Garden Island, Potts Point, to Brisbane.

He says that Garden Island contributes $500 million a year to the NSW economy and it employs a lot of people. He says the Rudd policy is a "thought bubble".

Back to Tony Abbott in Berkleyvale: he is asked about reports of an Indonesian politician being critical of the Coalition's "border protection" policy. He dismisses it as being unrepresentative of the entire Indonesian government's attitude to Coalition policy. 

And he wraps up with a warning to people smugglers - your game is up, he says. A Coalition government is more than a match for you! 

Dramatic denouement to an otherwise fairly routine Abbott factory visit/presser.

Back to the totes awks encounter between Premier O'Farrell and the Prime Minister on the harbour foreshore about 30 minutes ago. 

Here we have a Mearseypic, with added finger-wagging for effect. How excellent: 

NSW Premier Mr O'Farrell is not happy about the PM's plan to close Garden Island.

NSW Premier Mr O'Farrell is not happy about the PM's plan to close Garden Island. Photo: Andrew Meares

Abbott is talking now about costings, and repeating his mantra that the Coalition's costings will be released "soon".

All will be revealed in good time, he says.

Meanwhile, dudes (I paraphrase), let's not pretend it's all about the opposition's costings! The government has not got any of its costings or major forecasts right, he says. They have spend hundreds of millions on projects they haven't done proper costings and cost-benefit analyses for.

He is asked about the relocation of navy assets from Garden Island.

Abbott asks where the case for this proposal is coming from? He is not against it in principle but he is against "policy on the run", against the recommendations of the Defence White Paper.

Now Abbott is asked about mandates - something of a talking point in recent days.

Abbott says if the Coalition wins the election it will have the strongest possible mandate to scrap the carbon tax and introduce its Paid Parental Leave scheme.

Every single mother in the workforce will be better off under the policy, he says.

"Any political party that tries to stop this reform, I think will be swept away on the tide of history".

There is some speculation about whether or not a Labor opposition would try to block the PPL scheme, you see. It all depends on the make-up of the next parliament.

Abbott is accompanied by Karen McNamara, the Liberal candidate for Dobell. She is up against Emma McBride, the newly selected Labor candidate hoping to erase, or at least blur, the electorate's memory of the last Labor candidate - old Thommo. 

Abbott is now formally announcing the cash bonuses a Coalition government would give to the long-term unemployed (if they get a job obviously). 

You can read Mark Kenny's story about that policy at the 10.09am post on this blog.

"I see these measures not as a handout but as a hand up," Abbott says.

A laudably liberal sentiment.

Now Tony Abbott is doing a press conference at a factory in Berkleyvale, near Wyong on the NSW central coast. He is in the electorate of Dobell, which is, of course, the seat of outgoing Labor MP Craig Thomson, he of the startling credit card transactions.

Thomson is running as an independent candidate for the seat on September 7.

Abbott says he is launching a specific plan for the central coast. A bespoke plan, if you will. 

He is pledging $21 million of new announcements, for central coast training, for the Woy Woy oval upgrade, new roads, improving water quality in the local lakes.

In particular, in the first term of a Coalition government, Abbott will "seek" to relocate a government agency to Gosford, to create jobs (Gosford has high unemployment). 

It's unclear how firm that promise is. 

Abbott says for example, the National Disability Insurance Scheme HQ is located in Geelong. He wants Gosford and the Central Coast to have a similar "shot in the arm" for the region. 

Ten green bottles.... Mr Abbott at a packaging business in Berkeley Vale.

Ten green bottles.... Mr Abbott at a packaging business in Berkeley Vale. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

A supremely awkward encounter has just occurred when Rudd literally bumped into NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell following the PM's harbourside presser.

Rudd had just been laying into O'Farrell for not being consistent on the issue of using Garden Island for tourism, and re-locating the navy. 

We will have pics soon. The two men crossed paths, and apparently Barry said : "A phone call would been nice" and then the two men shook hands.
Awks!

Seeing as the Ruddster brought it up ... we are falling into his trap a little bit, but I think the Media Watch program is of genuine interest to any readers who didn't catch it last night. 

A link here to last night's Media Watch, which reached rather damning conclusions about News Corp bias against the Labor government. 

It's a very controversh issue. I would be very interested to see readers comments on this. 

Rudd is now criticising Abbott for not putting out his costings yet, and escaping scrutiny more generally. 

Rudd also accuses Abbott of not being "out there wandering around talking to anyone", whereas, he, the Ruddster, is mixing with the great unwashed all the time. 

(News Corp tabloids are this morning running stories accusing Rudd of running a "fake" campaign with staged events back-filled with Labor flunkies.) 

And once again, the PM points the media and viewers to the ABC's Media Watch show last night, which he says is very entertaining.

Paul Barry (Media Watch host) knows you can't pay for that kinda advertising. 

 

As Rudd waxes lyrical next to Sydney Harbour - talking about jobs, the expense of the Coalition's paid parental leave scheme, and the merits of broadband, Opposition leader Tony Abbott is in the seat of Dobell (NSW central coast) and is limbering up for some factory visit action. 

 

Tony Abbott in familiar garb visiting a packaging business at Berkeley Vale, NSW.

Tony Abbott in familiar garb visiting a packaging business at Berkeley Vale, NSW. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Rudd cannot resist a crack at News Corp papers, when asked about a story in The Australian this morning.

He dodges the questions but points everyone towards the ABC's Media Watch program aired last night - which dealt with accusations of bias in the "Murdoch" press during this election campaign.

"Have a long close look at Media Watch last night and ... form your own conclusions about media fairness," he says.

We'll get you a link to that program in a sec. It was interesting for politico-media nerds such as ourselves. 

Rudd gets a question about the top he was wearing when he spoke to Barack Obama this morning. 

Not quite sure why. 

Rudd relays the contents of the conversation, about the civil war in Syria. He says they had a "detailed conversation" about the future of Syria and whether or not the evidence is incontrovertible that the Syrian regime turned chemical weapons on its own people (Rudd believes it is). 

Rudd is also making the point that when disasters occur, such as the Asian tsunami, you need to have your defence "assets" (ships, tanks, trucks, planes to civilians) close to where the action is - the further north the better, he says. 

Rudd is now taking questions en plein air, as the French modernists would say.

Rudd says there is a lack of real estate in Sydney (don't get me started). He is talking about real estate for big ships though, not first home buyers. 

The redeployment of naval assets north to Brisbane will cost $6 billion, as outlined in the defence white paper. This is one of the reasons defence doesn't like the plan much, it will be very expensive. 

 

Rudd is doing a presser on Sydney Harbour with Senator Kim Carr, Industry Minister. 

Rudd says his government wants to build things. Defence infrastructure is part of that. 

He notes NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell's objections to the idea of closing Garden Island as a navy base. He says that not long ago Premier O'Farrell was saying that the cruise ship industry needed more space in Sydney. Garden Island could be used for that, Rudd says, to the economic benefit of Sydney. 

The really big cruise ships can't fit under the Harbour Bridge, you see, so they need a home in the harbour's east. Garden Island would be perfect for such a purpose.

But the navy are not happy with the idea. More on that later.

 

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Industry minister Senator Kim Carr at Mrs Macquarie's Chair opposite the Garden Island Naval facility in Sydney.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Industry minister Senator Kim Carr at Mrs Macquarie's Chair opposite the Garden Island Naval facility in Sydney. Photo: Andrew Meares

Kevin Rudd talking to US President Barack Obama in a picture he posted online.

Kevin Rudd talking to US President Barack Obama in a picture he posted online.

Rudd has been on the blower to Barack this morning. He called the US President to discuss the escalating crisis in Syria, about which US Secretary of State John Kerry gave a very passionate speech overnight.

One K Rudd posted a pic of himself chatting to Barry this morning. Rudd was wearing his tracksuit. We have no information on what Obama was wearing. 

We haven't seen the Prime Ministerial tracksuit much since the days of John Howard. It's very 90s. 

Read what they talked about here.

And lest you worry that Opposition Leader Tony Abbott slept in and neglected his morning exercise regime ... here he is going for a trot in Newcastle this morning. 

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott goes for an early morning run in Newcastle.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott goes for an early morning run in Newcastle. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

In other news...

The Australian Financial Review has a front page story reporting that one of former Treasurer Wayne Swan's fiercest critics, the head of an independent budget forecasting firm, has expressed grave doubts over the Coalition's fiscal strategy. 

Read the story here.

Abbott has abandoned his promise to return the budget to surplus in the first term of a Coalition government, and he is facing Labor attacks over the cost of his Paid Parental Leave scheme. 

Yesterday, muted criticism of the scheme came from an unexpected (or it is?) source - the Member for Wentworth, Malcolm Turnbull. Turnbull said he supported the scheme but said that if people thought it was too generous, that was a "reasonable" objection. Read that story here (it's behind a paywall but you know...it's worth paying some shekkels for quality journalism)

Labor types have of course pounced on these remarks.

This blog is verrry creaky getting started this morning.

Steph's well-oiled machine has been thrown off course by a provisional driver with poor technical skills and a penchant for mixed metaphors. 

But our nation's leaders have woken up brighter and better than most. Rudd took advantage of his Sydney digs (Kirribilli House) to take a constitutional around the harbour foreshore. 

Here he is with his media adviser and his son Nicholas lagging behind. 

 

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd walking with his press secretary Fiona Sugden and his son Nicholas from Kirribilli House in Sydney.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd walking with his press secretary Fiona Sugden and his son Nicholas from Kirribilli House in Sydney. Photo: Andrew Meares

Tony Abbott is in Newcastle and Kevin Rudd is in Sydney, soon to return like a homing pigeon to his hood (Brisbane). 

But there is still some action in Canberra, specifically at the National Press Club, where Health Minister Tanya Plibersek will debate her opposition shadow, Peter Dutton, on matters health. 

Debates are always quite jolly. Plibersek is rather scathing of Dutton in parliament, often ribbing him for never asking a question on health matters. She seems to have quite naked contempt for him at times. Dutton, a former cop, is untested in a debate-context, so it could be interesting. 

 

Health Minister Tanya Plibersek and Coalition health spokesman Peter Dutton were all smiles in May at a Cancer Council Morning Tea, but the gloves will come off at their Press Club debate.

Health Minister Tanya Plibersek and Coalition health spokesman Peter Dutton were all smiles in May at a Cancer Council Morning Tea, but the gloves will come off at their Press Club debate. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Tony Abbott will give a presser later this morning, and is expected to announce a Coalition policy on the long term unemployed. The idea is to give them cash bonuses to get back into work, and even more dollars if they stay in work for a year. They would be given money to move to areas where the jobs are, too. 

Read Mark Kenny's story here.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott this morning pledged a Coalition government would provide back-dated compensation to victims of international terrorism, in line with the compensation provided to victims of crime at home. 

Abbott has a personal stake in this fight (although it must be noted that victims of the Bali bombings and other acts of terrorism have already received compensation of up to $75K from the federal government). He and his family were holidaying in Bali when the second bombing happens. Abbott, who was health minister at the time, dropped everything to go and help out at the bomb site. 

The incomparable Tony Wright has written a piece about it here.

 

Opposition Opposition Leader Tony Abbott meets Bali bombing survivors Paul Anicich, left, and Peter Hughes, centre.

Opposition Opposition Leader Tony Abbott meets Bali bombing survivors Paul Anicich, left, and Peter Hughes, centre. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Rudd just took a question from a Lowy cat on defence, and the defence posturing report which found that moving naval assets to Brisbane would be berry berry expensive. 

Rudd says governments are required to look very long term, beyond the purview of the defence posturing paper.

Rudd is now taking some questions on international matters. 

Michael Fullilove (Lowy Chair) kicks off. He says "many of us" are concerned that defence spending has slumped under Labor - will he match Abbott's pledge to lift defence spending to 2 per cent of GDP? 

Rudd doesn't exactly get to the point quickly - but hey, it's the Lowy Institute, he is among his people. He can be loquacious.

Another policy cat just asked about Syria and what we should do about it. 

Rudd says there are no perfect choices here. But the Syrian regime is fundamentally assaulting its own people. "I do not believe the world can simply turn a blind eye to the use of chemical weapons against a civilian population". 

How do you send a message to every autocracy in the world contemplating the use of chemical weapons in the future? he asks.

Rudd says he will not be party to turning such a blind eye. He is very passionate on this point. 

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd talks foreign policy to the Lowy Institute.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd talks foreign policy to the Lowy Institute. Photo: Andrew Meares

Rudd is now talking about re-locating the main naval base of the east coast to Brisbane, shutting historic Garden Island as a naval base. 

David Wroe has an article about that here.

Rudd is talking about the global financial crisis and the G20, and how he was pivotal in getting the summit set up.

For the first time in our history we had a seat at a leaders' forum! he says (and it was all due to him). 

Next year Australia will host the G20. Employment will be the "core organising principle" of the summit. 

Now he's moved on to regional stability and how it affects economics. South China Sea, the North Korean peninsula, they all have reasonably high levels of conflict which threaten security. 

The best place to jam about these issues is the East Asia Summit, Rudd says. Australia was instrumental in bringing the United States into this summit. 

Now he's back to the GFC and how wonderfully we coped, compared to the rest of the world. 

And now to the piece de resistance - this week Australia will become chair of the UN Security Council. It's our time to shine with our "creative middle power diplomacy". 

 

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd begins his address to the Lowy Institute.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd begins his address to the Lowy Institute. Photo: Andrew Meares

Welcome to your Tuesday! Today you will be hosted by me, Jacqueline Maley, instead of the usual Steph.

The political day has already begun, with morning walks and threats/promises to close the Garden Island base in Sydney's Potts Point, and move it north of the border to Brisvegas. 

Meanwhile, Tony Abbott is pledging back-dated compensation to victims of overseas terrorism, in Newcastle. 

Stay with us for the thrills and spills of the day. You never know what might happen on this ker-razy kampaign.

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  • The Pulse @ 4:22PM

    Some people think its because of the 24% of Australians who align themselves with catholicism.

    But with Abbott, Hockey, Pyne etc etc being catholic that couldn't be right.

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    J. Fraser
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    Queensland
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 2:51PM
    • J Fraser

      Which politician is it that we see running press conferences outside a church most Sunday mornings ?

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
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      August 27, 2013, 2:57PM
    • Relationship counselling for any couple is a useful investment. Do you have an objection to the counselling or just that the Coalition are proposing it?

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 3:01PM
    • Nothing like a bit of demonising people because of their faith.. Ahh the good times... Oh how we laughed.

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 3:03PM
  • Getting closer, getting closer...no, I can't take it any more today...listening to politicians fighting is like someone dragging their nails down a blackboard...

    And since when did a 'selfie' become an acceptable term - social media again - unsavoury connotations attached to a relatively harmless exercise.

    Sounds like something people should do in the privacy of their own home. My guess is that those focussed on accumulating 'selfies' have only that option when they feel like a little nocturnal activity, shall we say....

    Which would still be more entertaining than this deadly, never-ending sideshow masquerading as high political farce.

    Commenter
    Hans von Schlappenplanker
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    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 2:33PM
  • Final comment for the day. When Abbott wins this election, no matter what he does thereafter, he will claim that YOU gave him a mandate? Think about it.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
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    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 2:25PM
    • Nice to see you poking fun at the LNP, weren't you normally backing the LNP - what's make you change ?

      Commenter
      mais51
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:34PM
    • 1. Tony can't win the Senate - that will still be controlled by the Green Labor alliance.

      2. You have mixed Abbott for Rudd/Gillard. The ALP has claimed a mandate for all actions (including the introduction of a carbon tax) after being elected.

      Commenter
      Vulture
      Location
      Gladesville
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:43PM
    • Not only does he have a mandate but have you seen his new blue suit. You all thought he was a one trick pony, Black suit white shirt Blue tie.. Then he goes and blows everybodys mind *BOOM* he is wearing a blue suit with white shirt and Blue tie...Take that Kev... nobody saw that comming!

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:47PM
    • Why are you so sure that Abbott will win? I am not sure at all. I was in the US for their election and everyone thought Romney had it. This feels just the same. Rudd will win.

      Commenter
      juletjones
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      August 27, 2013, 2:50PM
    • Pen
      How can you be so sure it will be Abbott?
      A week and 3 days is a long time in politics.

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 3:02PM
  • We actually have Kevin's costings. A debt of $300-400B on top of the $20-30B handed over by Howard. We worry about Abbott's costings? I am more worried about the $1.5B Rudd racks up each week he is in power His waste could fund the so called Abbott black hole in 30 weeks. But then is there a black hole. Remember Labor tried to give their costings; a $30B increase from when Julia was knifed until the L plate treasurer posted the "probable defect"

    Commenter
    B.W. from the Shire
    Location
    Cronulla
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 2:23PM
    • You know that billions dollars you are talking about is current spending on you keeping the country afloat until the economy recovers. The ALP didn't spend it on themselves or plan to give it to the middle class and high income women so they can hire nanny for their
      baby.

      Commenter
      mais51
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:30PM
  • One of the issues I find with twitter is the violence behind some of the content. I am one of the few non-left leaning voices on twitter, and I've been subjected to some of the most vile abuse I've ever encountered, purely because I don't support the party supported by some prominent posters.

    This comment forum is moderated, Twitter is not, so I'm happy to comment here. When it comes to Twitter though, I am easing off it as it simply isn't worth he abuse anymore

    Commenter
    Thomas
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    August 27, 2013, 2:20PM
    • This blog is like some type of cyber paintball. Faceless unidentifiable types take pot shots at each other without any hope of actually hearing (or intending to hear) the other. When struck between the eyes, the punters merely wipe the paint from their brow and claim they weren't hit. Pretty harmless, like words with (not) friends Sad thing is there are some staffers from both sides on the blog actually doing this for a job. NOt exacty contributing to society

      Commenter
      Duck
      Location
      incoming
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:29PM
    • @Duck

      But not J. Fraser.

      And I should know because I am John Fraser.

      Never employed by any political party.

      And would not belong to any political party that would have the likes of me in it.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:46PM
  • Rudd must be in trouble. Frazer is going at it full time today. Too late old son. Follow the money...coaltion $1.10.....Labor $7.00-9.00

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    billyboy
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    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 2:20PM
  • Could we cut to the chase and give Fraser an opportunity to write an opinion piece for Fairfax. Attention from the sub-editors will be needed to ensure three and four word statements are eliminated and sentences that flow from one to another make sense. I don't think 99 comments in one day on one section of the Fairfax website are easy to track so let's combine them and see how they read.

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 2:18PM
  • Malik the magic sheep

    What is so difficult for you to understand that Australians are the biggest producers of CO2 emissions per capita. Don't you truly understand that both China and the USA do more for climate change in one year than we have done in the last 20 years?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 2:17PM
  • Rudd is promising and planning fast rail events 13 years out, when in 13 days he will not be governing?

    Commenter
    Garry of Melbourne
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 2:06PM
    • Abbott is promising ..... not costings.

      Just more money to spend in an Australia he continually says is broke.

      For gods sake don't ask Hockey what he thinks.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:19PM
  • How is that "more detailed" report on the health debate going?

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 2:01PM
    • Big Mac.. I know it is not Sep 12 but I have to ask. R U OK? You seem very testy lately. Cheer up mate things are never that bad. Nobody cares about a boring health debate. If Tanya wants some attention at her speeches she need only tells us why she hates Kevin. If only she would detail why she has never voted for Kev in any leadership vote, Why she backed Julia, what exactly about Kevin she dislikes etc..
      Only then will she get plenty of attention, until then she is a massive Julia loving Yawn.

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:37PM
  • With echos of "Interest Rates will always be lower under a Coalition" still being heard.

    The latest is "Abbott guarantees surplus before Labor"

    And still no costings.

    Or how it will be attained.

    Be afraid ... be very afraid.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 1:59PM
    • Well that is a furphy! Abbott definitely said at the Broncos debate that a Liberal surplus would occur in a decade! In 2023.

      Now maybe I have not heard but I thought Labor predicted a surplus in 2014 - 2016 although I heard Bowen throw a remark to Hockey in their debate that he predicted 2025.

      I am getting sick of the debt/ surplus paranoia.

      If debt is serviceable and invested in people or infrastructure, I don't see the problem.

      Abbott has burned his boat by insisting that the only healthy economy is one in surplus.!really the only healthy economy is a growing economy!!

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:32PM
  • Are both major parties having a competition for the biggest budget black hole? I think labor is upto $120m and the liberals trail with only $70m

    Commenter
    Adrian
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 1:55PM
    • HOw do you get the ALP at $120b? So far this election campaign they have promised $5b in spending compared with the libs at over $40b.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:12PM
    • Yeah where is 120m - you meant 120 bill I'll tell you where: it is in the same place as the 94bill NBN as claimed by the LNP.

      Commenter
      mais51
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:24PM
    • Was not going to mention NBN because users will have to pay. I was thinking 114 for rail and 6 for boats. And judging by other plans from ALP - laptops, school halls, NBN, pink batts etc this will be a fraction of cost

      Commenter
      Adrian
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:38PM
  • This instant announcement Re Garden Island Creek Naval Base is bound to upset some Sydney voters and possibly please some Brisbane voters interesting politically what? Oh the NBN ALP SuperBand may as well be White Mercedes for every house harking back to another era in Politics what?

    Commenter
    Optimist
    Location
    After the 7th September !
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 1:52PM
  • Can we stop with the pie in the sky policy announcements eg. High speed rail or moving the Navy? I'm sick of the fanciful policies and promises rolled out at election time. Don't promise it unless you can afford it and it will actually be built. People are struggling and jobs are disappearing. Keep it real, we're not all mugs!

    Commenter
    panda
    Location
    perth
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 1:36PM
    • I agree!
      10 days out from the election and Kevin's run out of things to say so now he's just making stuff up.

      Commenter
      William
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:50PM
    • He's not making stuff up. Moving a naval base that has been established and in operation for over 150 years is....no, you're right he is making stuff up.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:57PM
    • So Panda, what do you think off all the Coalitions spending promises thus far? Do you thin they will be able to afford them, and if so, how?

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:58PM
    • Yeah, if you don't have anything positive to tell the country, keep your mouth shut - just like Abbott's doing in keeping his cuts as deeply hidden as possible.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:00PM
    • Take your blinkers off Panda, why is it that you believe The Coalition's $30 000000000000 black hole of promises and not the already costed and more modest ALP promises?

      Commenter
      Believer
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:03PM
    • Believer
      The ALP's policies have already created a $300B hole. On top of that they've promised surpluses but delivered only deficits. Their May budget outlook lasted only until July when they had to fess up that the situation was far worse.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:08PM
    • I loved Hockey's reply on Q&A when he said it's not our black hole it's YOUR black hole.

      Commenter
      Lucas
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:24PM
  • The Pulse @ 3:17PM

    It ties in with all the other money Abbott is giving away.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 1:32PM
  • You know, I'm 45 and I don't know a single person who uses twitter or even understands what it is.

    Commenter
    Hugh
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 1:32PM
    • Me either and I'm 47. We must be too old.

      Commenter
      Jane
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:42PM
    • This might give you some indication.

      From Scott Morrison yesterday :

      "Just got Chaser'd at the airport. all light hearted until they thought it was amusing to pull a baby out of a boat - very poor taste."

      Now for the meaning of "irony" please refer to your dictionary.

      For "poor taste" see Julie Bishop at the Abbott launch on Sunday.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:46PM
    • Sshh - Don't tell Kev that 60% of all voters are your age or older and that approx. 14% of regular twitter users in Aust are enrolled voters. Everyone Kev talks to tells him he is awesome and Tony is unelectable.. Don't let him find out he is not talking to voters. #ItsMyRuddyFuture

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:51PM
    • Well if you don't know about it it must be irrelevant. I also don't know one person who likes rugby league, but guess what, they still have a national comp going. ;-)

      Commenter
      Jitterry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:56PM
    • Jfray,
      What did you think was in poor taste? I thought she was one of the highlights, I especially like the way she mocked Kevin... she even did a voice it was laugh out loud stuff. What did you think was bad?

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:59PM
    • Oh dear! Ian 61 and I do have a Twitter account, but I use it for professional contacts. Most companies advertise through Twitter these days!!

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:00PM
    • And Kelly O'Dwyer's performance on Qand A last night!

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:02PM
    • I admitt I don't use twitter and I don't know anyone who uses it. I'm 51.

      Commenter
      Rob
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:14PM
  • Everyone here writing "Comment" on their technology pieces.

    Shame Abbott shame .... you do not know how to use the new technology.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 1:30PM
    • Such a shame that Albo when asked recently about the NBN said 'I'm not a tech head'. Maybe he should stick to ordering the 1001 report on Syd's second airport or maybe he could actually do something about the lack of an elevator at Marrickville railway station which is smack bang in the middle of his electorate. Fast trains need equitable access for it's customers so come on Albo give us a fair go.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:00PM
  • I remember at the Kevin 07 election, film stars, musician, ex PMs etc were all out supporting Rudd. Now he has to pay people to support him. Telling, isn't it.

    Commenter
    Isenz
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 1:24PM
  • I'm still yet to read or hear of a "feel good" story about Kevin Rudd and someone from the wider community. We hear many stories about Tony Abbott's charity work, community work, and now compassionate work (Bali attacks), but no one has ever come forward about Kevin.

    Commenter
    notlad
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 1:11PM
    • And still no one comes forward to sing the praises of Abbott's policies.

      And still no costings released by Abbott.

      Only talk about yesterday and 1950.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:16PM
    • notlad,

      Just this morning Kev was very compassionate to a poor lost soul that took his kid to the wrong daycare centre...

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:16PM
    • Fraser,

      Rudd loves Abbott's policies so much he copies them.

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:17PM
    • Yes and Abbott never did a thing without a camera there. He is just a publicity hound-always was. And these people coming forward right now? Told to I would wager.

      Commenter
      juletjones
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:24PM
    • Kev was thoughtful when he signed a little kids drawing of kittens the other day.
      c'mon be fair.

      Commenter
      Pix
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:25PM
    • Rudd will relate to you how he 'survived' Kokoda and went 'outside the wire' in Afghanistan - do they qualify as feel good?

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:25PM
    • Glad to see everyone is still playing the man and not the ball

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:28PM
    • Kevin was seen building yesterday......with Legos.

      Commenter
      PS
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:28PM
  • My friends in Indonesia are delighted in the Abbott purchace of their old fishing boat.
    Now they can plan to buy a more modern and powerful boat that can do the trip much more safely with Abbotts handouts.
    It has to be 100% desperation on the opposition;s spoksperson.

    Commenter
    tashman1
    Location
    melbourne
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 1:10PM
    • Are they people smugglers or people transporters?

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:12PM
  • So why did Dutton turn up to the debate if they have no health policy he should have just said we have no health policy so I won't be debating

    Commenter
    Jitterry
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 1:06PM
    • Dutton obviously remember the good old days of Joh .... as newman said in his maiden parliamentary speech .... and was just there to feed the chooks.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:18PM
  • Dear Tony Abbot & Joe Hockey, what a waste of taxpayers money - changing the name & location of National Disability Scheme. Parenting Allowance not needed!! we all had our kids without it and the baby bonus... Compensating victims again!!! and all the while not telling us HOW you going to pay for them... what did Joe Hockey say on Q&A if things need trimming there will be cuts.... FUNNY Joe not actually answering the question! HOW WHAT & WHERE will these cuts take place??? work choice - penalty rates, aged pensions, higher GST, Education, Health??? Abbot & Hockey want us to vote for them without disclosure - in blind faith - If Liberal don't give us the HOW, WHAT & WHERE of their policies & budget - THEY DO NOT HAVE MY VOTE! Remember John Howard's answer to all cuts & the GST, Work Choices, Health & Education... you gave me the mandate when you voted me in...... NOT WITHOUT ANSWERS TONY ABBOTT...

    Commenter
    Mia
    Location
    Balwyn
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 1:03PM
  • "while Tony Abbott, the nation's probably next Prime Minister, has promised a government of no surprises, the world cannot make him the same promise. "

    Tony has a cunning plan to deal with that problem; he'll blame the previous Labor Government.

    There won't be any surprises under Abbott. Anything that goes wrong will be the fault of Labor; anything that is right will be down to the genius of Abbott, the Liberals and their tame lapdogs the National (good joke that) Party.

    Guaranteed.

    Commenter
    Whyalla Wipeout
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 12:59PM
    • Don't all incoming governments, Labor and Liberal, do that?

      It's just part of the theatre of politics.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:12PM
    • No they don't. Some incoming governments stand for something. Abbott only stands against things (except indigenous affairs).

      He stands against Rudd, invisible substances, childless people, gays, Labor, asylum seekers (at least once he is in power - now he loves them), a sustainable future, government investment, decency. I could go on and on about what Abbott stands against. But basically he stands against anyone, especially women, who get in the way of his desperate lunge for power.

      And when he has it, what will he do? What he has always done - Lie.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:58PM
  • I seriously I don't think Rudd has anything to talk about.
    Moving the navy? Fast trains? Really?
    Where's he going to find the money to do that?
    Shouldn't he be out selling REAL policies instead of thought bubbles this close to the election.

    Commenter
    Mal
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 12:58PM
    • All his grand announcements are on the never never. It's all a part of his electioneering strategy - promise big ticket items that will never eventuate and he'll never have to fund - but hey, they sound good.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:18PM
    • You mean real infrastructure nation building projects instead of $75 000 handouts to rich mothers and people whom the government has already financially compensated?

      Commenter
      Believer
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:01PM
    • Both proposals have been costed this year and mothballed, supposedly waiting for better times and the will to overcome the expected negative is, of the Defence Force ( no one likes change) and the states.

      However both plans would be good for employment.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:11PM
  • Watching Bill Shorten get drilled about the knifing of both Kev & Julia last night on Q&A, it became clear that Bill is no Rudd supporter either. It's all about saving seats.
    Game on in the ALP after the election!

    Commenter
    dRod
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 12:56PM
    • Yep the real show for Labor begins Sept 8.
      No more fake smiles from anyone in Labor. They all hate Rudd and it will all be back on display very soon.

      Commenter
      JJ
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:05PM
    • The finger pointing and blood letting after the election between the Gillard and Rudd camps will be worthy of it's own mini-series.

      Kevin Rudd will play himself.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:05PM
    • The ALP still have better policies regardless of what you say about Rudd.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:07PM
    • Tone,

      The problem is they can't implement any of them!

      Commenter
      dRod
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:14PM
    • Tim you are so right,

      I wonder what they will call this mini series though,

      Games of Thrones Australia or simply Australian Hunger Games. Either way it will qualify for a R rating.

      Commenter
      jojar
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:35PM
    • @jojar - yep 'R' rated due to -

      Abusive, crude and threatening language
      Blood and Gore
      Highly explicit scenes featuring the death of a political party

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:57PM
    • dRod
      $30 billion black hole in Coalition costings vs Treasury fact checked ALP policies, do you think we are mugs?

      Commenter
      Believer
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:07PM
  • Barry; *Kevin should have phoned -Julia always phoned* .....Face it, Bazza; he*s just not into you.

    Commenter
    David D
    Location
    Ettalong Beach
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 12:56PM
    • Making up some more childish statements, hasn't the Education revolution reached you yet? get your facts correct about the ALP Love Boat scandal - some nice SMH journalism about it can be found with a simple google search. Good luck, you need it.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:55PM
  • Dutton claims," The imposition of the carbon tax with no environmental outcomes."

    Dutton and his colleagues have promised to maintain Labor's minuscule 5% of 2000 emissions a little over 16 million tonne reduction. Do the Coalition intend to cut back cola production that has more than doubled since 2000?

    This year's coal production alone produces 1,164 billion tonnes of Co2, So what environmental outcome is Dutton talking about? Perhaps its his policy with a $4 billion funding shortfall?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 12:52PM
    • Given that Coke Cola Amatil are huge donors to The Limbo Party I doubt they'll cut back on their production pen. Didn't one of the denier twits actually compare the fizz in drinks to the atmosphere?
      CCA have also influenced govt's policy re container deposit schemes. They and their ilk have far too much clout lobbying govt's on policy.
      (Couldn't resist your typo)

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:22PM
  • I wonder which of Kevin's staff are going to feel the wrath after the childcare set-up blunder this morning?

    Commenter
    beasleyst
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 12:51PM
  • Amazing how no one is talking about Ruddy's PNG pseudo solution. More boats for everyone if Labor wins. Yay.

    Commenter
    Malik the magic sheep
    Location
    Perth
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 12:49PM
    • So how is the boat situation different under the Liberals?

      Oh, right, they're going to buy up Indonesia's entire fishing boat fleet.

      Dummest....policy.....ever!!!

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:52PM
    • @Tone

      Don't be silly, its not that simplistic. Maybe if you spent some time actually reading up on the entire policy, you would see that it is a detailed, well though out strategy to deny people smugglers resources and to actually create a deterrent environment. If you doubt the need for such an approach, and you believe that Labor actually cares about stopping the boats, watch this:

      ----------------------------------------------------
      http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2012/05/31/3515475.htm
      ----------------------------------------------------

      ...only if you're interested in the truth...

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:58PM
    • Tone,

      I'm pretty sure you displayed the same hysteria when Abbott spoke of his Northern Australia white paper earlier this year - BEFORE Rudd copied it as policy!

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:58PM
    • Actually I saw the Green Paper about 4 years ago. The need to utilise the north with its unlimited water (lake Argyll) was a result of climate change analysis which predicted areas used now for intensive food production will not be suitable in decades to come - too dry, loss of topsoil.

      There must be a white paper now for both Abbott and Rudd to support northern agricultural development.

      We will have to change to Asian vegetables though. A lot of our current veg won't stand the heat and it will be hotter!

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:22PM
  • Getting a bit tired of the ALP calling themselves the "underdogs", casting for the great Aussie spirit vote. Just drop the "under" and we'll all agree!

    Commenter
    notlad
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 12:43PM
    • +1

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:48PM
    • The "underdog" tag was probably thought up by the Obama PR team thats here helping Ruddy with his mess. They said the same thing about the Democrats in the US before they royally trounced the Republicans. It's a way of building fear in the rusted-ons and getting them to turn their witless friends into Labor voters.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:52PM
    • After your rudeness yesterday, I was not going to comment but I needed you to know, I am not on Obama's staff (pretty racist of you to suggest so based on my nationality) and I made a comment based on my observations as a non Aussie. I am married to an Aussie though, and I think that the tea party loving Liberals on these message boards are very rude and very wrong. There is nothing wrong with your country except an inferiority complex and a dislike of intellect over macho man tactics. You are so dumb to want to vote for a change of government, so dumb, but hey, it's your country.

      Commenter
      Paul The Gringo
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:12PM
    • With all the help the ALP is getting from overseas isn't that a breach of the 457 visa rules?

      Commenter
      Adrian
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:21PM
  • I realise the health policies are of national importance, but so it seems Rudds hair/fringe are also.
    To have fairness and impartiality could we please have some updates on Tony's. I've yet to hear a report on his hirsuteness and I think that's very unfair given the attention Kevin's gets.

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 12:38PM
    • Watched the health debate at the National Press Club on TV today - Tanya was measured, calm and articulate the opposition health Spokesman Peter Dutton was anything but. Accused the government of reneging on PBS but could not name one single medicine then turned around and berated Tanya for not remembering ! How come most of the LNP spokesmen and women are always angry ?

      Commenter
      mais51
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:54PM
    • it's in their DNA mai.
      Did you see Tanya on 4CRNS, re PBS listings for cancer drugs- always informed and articulate. An excellent Health Minister who has also got RU486 there- I bet that will be delisted under an Abbott directive.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:07PM
    • One change which benefits the Hep B/C sufferers greatly was the listing of their medicines on PBS meaning the medicines re now half price and one can buy them at a regular local pharmacy rather than only at the specific hospital nominated by the treating specialist.

      Commenter
      mais51
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:17PM
    • Mais Had visitors on the weekend and one couldn't see much difference between the major parties. I raised this very issue and the subtle ways and given their ideological leanings how they can influence via the PBS etc. Medicare funding on certain procedures. Foreign Aid eg The Harradine (Telstra) clause.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:39PM
  • Wow! Mumbles visits the Central Coast!
    What do we get offered? 300 relocated(not new) public sector jobs - we get to maybe make them coffee or sell them trinkets up to the time they get *naturally attritioned*; some more gravel; some grass; some paint and stuff for the Gosford library update; and two (possible) new MPs to pick up the papers round the lake. Such vision! Oh, thankyou, thankyou, wise one.

    Commenter
    David D
    Location
    Ettalong Beach
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 12:37PM
  • So Tony,

    which of your promises are core promises?

    Commenter
    Howard's Ghost
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 12:22PM
    • Fair question, but clearly not a necessary one for Rudd, as we know he won't keep any of his!

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:39PM
    • Core promise what's core promise !

      Commenter
      mais51
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:42PM
    • The one's he puts in writing according to Tony. He can't be trusted by his own admission. According to Tony you need to get it in writing....or is it a blood pledge?

      Commenter
      Otto Abetz (Eric's uncle in Paris)
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:43PM
  • As we are more than half way through another election day, I'd like to congratulate you Jacqueline for an informative AND very entertaining coverage. Thank you & see you tomorrow.

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 12:21PM
    • I agree. I generally find Jacqueline entertaining, thoughtful and polite. Plus she's a bit of a good sort (if you are allowed to say that without going to misogyny prison)

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:43PM
  • Why have a naval base on Garden Island do the powers expect an invasion by the Kiwi's?

    I suggest we shift it to the Torres Strait were it could serve a purpose.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 12:12PM
    • +1

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:20PM
    • Strangely enough you don't want to put you major naval and air bases on the front line as any advance by the enemy would soon render you impotent.

      However a move further north from sydney to Brisbane should be an issue on that front.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:38PM
    • @Pen.....they already invaded us....it's called Bondi.

      Commenter
      Bazza
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:38PM
    • Where are the costings and where's the money coming from? Or is it just a thought bubble.

      Commenter
      Rick
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:47PM
    • Bass Strait would be better. Keep the Tassies out.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:55PM
  • "PS: Don't believe Labor's scare campaign - Our Plan is fully costed and fully funded"

    The above is on a letterbox flyer from the Liberal National Party here in Brisbane and received in my letterbox this afternoon.

    Well Mr. Abbott where is your "fully costed and fully funded" plan.

    I am not interested in what anyone did this year , last year or in the last 100 years.

    You say your policies are funded .... then show me the money !

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 12:10PM
    • The ALP's recent terms have been fully costed and total up to about $300B more than we earned in the period.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:21PM
    • Tones,

      which of your promises are core and which are non-core?

      Commenter
      Howard's ghost
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:24PM
    • I'm surprised the mailman didn't get his fingers chopped off attempting to place a Liberal campaign pamphlet in JFraser's letterbox!

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:39PM
  • malik, re relocating the Navy.
    Whilst you're being sarcastic and a bit caustic, it's a timely moment to remind you of the shift in climatic conditions with CC. Most experts in the south predict 200>250km shift. Revegetation experts till recently sourced provenance seed, now they outsource and blend to ensure better survival rates. Just as wildlife corridors are being established as an insurance policy for flora and fauna.

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 12:07PM
  • For Tim of Altona and Lewis: The Dreyfus press conference didn't happen. All made up. Old clip edited and only empty chairs, everyone else having left after whatever it was was all over, posted by Liberal Party TV. If you're gonna lie, this is a bit pointless and too easy to check.

    Commenter
    juletjones
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 12:04PM
    • How low do the go?
      Perhaps they need to rebadge as
      "The Limbo Party".

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:10PM
    • Darn it! Too good to be true :(

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:13PM
    • No, it wasn't a lie or something cut-and-pasted by Liberal TV. I actually watched it live on Sunday afternoon on Sky News, it was on at either 1 or 2 o'clock that afternoon.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:16PM
    • Wrong - I saw this on Sky News on Sunday afternoon - a simple check with Sky News will verify this - lots of huff and puff for nothing

      Commenter
      Baltic13
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:26PM
    • You getting pretty desperate with that tripe. I watched it live. It happened. Live with it.

      Commenter
      alex
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:35PM
    • juletjones - it was broadcast live on Sky - don't know why you have to concoct a conspiracy theory to explain the humour.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:42PM
    • I think you are all wrong. The only press there was the cameraman. He gave his spiel to the empty room and was televised. Half truth?

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:42PM
  • "Barry O'Farrell was very hurt that Kevin Rudd did not pick up the phone to warn him in advance of his plan to move the navy from Garden Island".... I am convinced the reason Rudd did not call O'Farrell because it is another decision on the spur of the moment. Rudd has run out ideas, so now he is inventing things to create votes.

    Commenter
    J.G.
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 11:59AM
    • JG, you of all people would know that the reason why Rudd did not give O'Farrell a heads up was the appalling treatment you received when you showed any courtesy to the political animals who occupy the State and commonwealth Liberal leaderships.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:09PM
    • So that is Julia, whyalla? Which one of you is the spokesperson for the ALP?

      Commenter
      Halfback
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:14PM
    • You are out of date Maliki. China is implementing its own ETS and cracking down on its big polluters they can use bigger sticks than Australia can!

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:47PM
  • So Tony's Direct Action Plan is not just a stupid idea......it's a GREAT BIG TAX.
    According to the Bureau of Meteorology, in the 2012-13 summer, Australia registered:
    the warmest September–March on record
    the hottest summer on record, the hottest month on record
    the hottest day on record
    & now the hottest Winter on record.
    But ask the majority of LNP members do they believe the figures. It's all crap to them.

    Commenter
    Bazza
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 11:58AM
    • yea.. and Australia by punishing everyone with carbon tax will stop the warm summers ?
      Grow up mate, at times when people are struggling in cost of living pressure here we have green scare campain team unleashed on doom and gloom.

      Commenter
      Day after Tomorrow
      Location
      Western Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:06PM
    • If you want the data
      http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/change/index.shtml#tabs=Climate-updates

      Commenter
      Bazza
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:08PM
    • Ok seen it and the wam summer has caused climate change, exclusively due to fossil fuel emissions by Australia only ?
      emissions from US China and India went to planet Venus ?

      Commenter
      Day after Tomorrow
      Location
      Western Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:13PM
    • "punishing everyone" did you not get your tax cut?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:13PM
    • @Day after Tomorrow. Normal response from the people who don't care about our future.

      Commenter
      Bazza
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:13PM
    • Day after,
      it's not about punishing, it's about changing behaviour. And the hip pocket always works with those who normally couldn't care less.
      Call it doom and gloom or a green scare campaign all you like, but what good does that do?
      it's called creating awareness and altering the way we live. Small incremental changes can make for large changes across society.
      We have absolutely nothing to lose by living a less polluting life but a hell of a lot to gain with a cleaner planet.
      Do you still throw rubbish out your car window? Use Clean Up Australia as an example of how campaigns, fines and awareness can change behaviour.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:17PM
    • Err you forget to mention wher the water is coming from for the trees. Not to mention the $4 billion shortfall for the Coalition scheme to have the remotest chance of achieving any meaningful climate emission reduction.

      It begs belief that over 50% of Australians can be so credulous to support either Rudd or Abbott. All I can do is shake my head at the stupidity.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:18PM
    • @Bazza
      And paying a $ 23 a ton (possibly $ 6 a ton if miraculously Rudd gets re-elected) carbon tax will solve global warming ?
      As for the compensation i beleive there was no compensation tax cut this year after greens labour govt got their numbers wrong.

      Commenter
      Day after Tomorrow
      Location
      Western Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:20PM
    • Day after Tomorrow

      Please articulate these terrors of the carbon tax. What is so terrifying to you that $4 billion in a $1003-5 billion is so fearful.

      Please articulate why CSIRO scientist would lie to us who employ them. For what possible reason would they employ this "scam" to which you refer without a scrap of evidence.

      Please explain why CSIRO climate science is in 97% agreement with international science bodies of which all of their claims are subject to peer revue?

      Go ahead and tell us, I await with bated breath.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:36PM
    • Funny how Australia needs to bear a massive burden of the Carbon Tax pie, while the major polluters India and China get away with wholesale carbon production scott-free.

      Funny indeed.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:02PM
  • Fact checkers are great, Jacqueline.

    It's still not too late for The Age to run on a fact-checking on any of the lines used by Tony Abbott about the mining tax or the carbon tax. They're pretty big issues in this campaign, you know.

    Commenter
    Arky
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 11:57AM
  • "Of course, if you wanted to tune into the debate, you can always watch them yourself - either on telly or live-streamed on the ABC website."

    I did once I realised the debate was on. The problem was that it was quite late in the piece.

    My point still stands. Health is one of the major concerns for all Australians and will become increasingly so as older people become a greater proportion of the population.

    As right-wing poster Tim of Altona suggested, maybe I did take my cranky pills this morning.

    But you cannot blame me when we have had three years of Abbott stunts, hi-vis shirts and simplistic (and utterly shallow) slogans.

    Do you know what the health policies of the major parties are? I only know the general outlines of the ALP policy, despite the poor reporting of it. As for the Liberal policy - all I know is something about fixing everything by having local boards manage hospitals.

    What is the Liberal policy on health? Can Tim or any of the other 'waste' squawkers enlighten us? Or is it just 'bad Labor' and 'bad Rudd' repeated ad nauseam.

    Commenter
    Whyalla Wipeout
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 11:55AM
    • Health heh? Do you reckon the sick and the aged health will improve when climate change hits this summer?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:59PM
  • Great idea Kev, move the entire Eastern Fleet base up the coast to Brisbane. It'll make it easier for North Korean rockets to reach it. While you're at it, why not move Canberra north as well? How about Darwin? After all, the command and control nerve centre should be as close to the front lines as possible.

    Now, remind me what happened to our northernmost city in WW2, and why Canberra is inland and situated so far south from our northern approaches?

    Commenter
    Malik the magic sheep
    Location
    Perth
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 11:47AM
    • He'll have to refer to the back of his napkin for an answer.

      Commenter
      Stop the spin.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:53AM
    • Ah yes, Canberra was chosen because it's far from North Korea (which didn't exist when Canberra was built) and not at all because it was in between Melbourne and Sydney.

      If the North Koreans can shell Brisbane with rockets we've probably got a serious problem on our hands that keeping the fleet in Garden Island won't solve (so will half the world, but I'm sure the Garden Island naval base is high on the list of Kim's targets).

      Even as making up reasons to criticise a Rudd decision go, this is a pearler.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:00PM
    • Malik, if you had been following today's thought bubbles, you would know that Abbott wants to move the public service to the Central Coast.

      As for the location of Canberra, anyone who actually knew anything about the Federation of the Australian colonies would know that the location of Canberra was a geographical compromise between the claims of Melbourne and Sydney for the right to be the capital. Nobody had the slightest idea of any protection from yellow perils and like from the North.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:07PM
    • Only half way right there WW,

      The original plans for Canberra were on the coast (Bateman's Bay) but it was too susceptible to attack from sea, so they moved inland.

      Commenter
      OldCanberra
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:24PM
    • All well and good, but why move the entire fleet to Brisbane? Simply because larger cruise ships cannot pass under the Harbour Bridge to take advantage of docking facilities further inland? In keeping with Rudd's visionary schemes for the future of our nation, I put it to his government that simply jacking up the Harbour Bridge so that taller ships can pass under it would probably be far more feasible and less problematic. After all, we are discussing dismantling infrastructure and systems that have been developed over several decades at Garden Island..

      Lagre infrastructure redevelopment is this Govt'specialty. Take the NBN. Six years after the project was announced it it has fallen well short of its projected targets for connected premises.

      Oh, how silly of me, its a Rudd promise; i.e. its never going to happen hahahaha. On ya Ruddy, ya larrikin.

      Commenter
      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:25PM
    • Old Canberra, I vaguely recollect that. Was it the Russian Tsar that they were concerned about? I know there are some fortifications at La Perouse in Sydney that were built following the Crimean war.

      Times do change, don't they. Of course, there are some Australians who think Canberra should be towed out to sea in a chaff bag and drowned.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:53PM
  • "As we have previously reported, Barry O'Farrell was very hurt that Kevin Rudd did not pick up the phone to warn him in advance of his plan to move the navy from Garden Island"

    Just heard it on TV. O'Farrell told Rudd his predecessor would have shown that courtesy. If Rudd has learnt one thing, it is that showing courtesy to opponents like O'Farrell and Abbott just gives them the opportunity to plan to dump on you.

    Liberals cannot cope when Labor plays by Liberal rules.

    Commenter
    Whyalla Wipeout
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 11:47AM
    • Very unprofessional of Mr O'Barrell. I wonder if he would have shown such rudeness to another world leader. We really have to start to respect the office of PM, if not the man.

      Commenter
      Mali
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:00PM
    • No, Rudd is one of these people who shoot their mouths off about other people behind their backs. Then when confronted by them he poops himself.

      Commenter
      Troy
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:01PM
    • Hey, Whyalla Wipeout, how's the whinging going on over there in the Iron Triangle?

      More the point, from where is Mr Rudd going to get his $100+B to pay for the High Speed Rail, and the >$6B to pay for the convenient shifting of Garden Island, to his own back yard?

      Now, over at the National Press Club, Dutton is leading Plibersek 3:1 going into the 4th.

      Commenter
      Grant
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:04PM
  • "rather than me update it piecemeal as it happens."
    Isn't that what this site is for, to update as it happens?
    We get a blow by blow of O'Farrell and Rudd crossing paths but a debate on policy just gets a summary at the end?

    And it seems once again the media has a glass jaw to criticism.

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 11:45AM
  • Is Abbott going to increase the pension from $19,000 per year to $75,000 per year?

    Didn't think so. Instead, he's going to take money away from pensioners and give it to mothers that want babies.

    Good luck if you're one of the many pensioners that are about to vote for Abbott because you've always voted conservative. You deserve what you get.

    I feel sorry for the others, though, that have more balanced minds.

    (My Dad is not voting Liberal this time perhaps for the first time in his life.)

    Commenter
    Tone
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 11:36AM
    • LOL the adds are working for you!

      Commenter
      LG
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:41AM
    • MY Dad is not voting Labor this time perhaps for the first time in his life.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:46AM
    • Why is it OK to pay a victim of a terrorist attack overseas $75000 and not a victims of rape, trauma or murder overseas $75000. Why are the overseas terrorist attack victims more special than other victims of international crime? Does the $75000 affect the victim's own ability to sue foreign nations for the crime they endured? How far back will Mr Abbott go in terms of providing compensation? Can compensation be offered to refugees who become Australian citizens and who have endured torture or terror attacks overseas?

      Commenter
      Woman
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:54AM
    • Well, as they say, youth and government money is wasted on the babies. We're trying to boost the birth rate so there'll be someone to pay the pensions of the future.

      Commenter
      Ash
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:01PM
    • Don't worry yourself Tim, he's not voting Labor either.

      We're not rewarding either party for their disgraceful behaviour.

      Unfortunately I see that this behaviour is acceptable to a significant group of you. If that's who you call your friends I feel sorry for you.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:04PM
    • This really confirms the Baby Boomer stereotypes for me, actually. Why should the government help bring anyone new into this world? Better to just give the Boomers more and more. Silly.

      Commenter
      Ash
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:06PM
  • Jacqueline, there is a health care debate at the National Press Club between Tanya Plibersek and Peter Dutton.

    This is a serious policy issue, rather than the vapid stage managed presentations of the major leaders that you have reported on for much of the day.

    Is there any reason for this, or does it simply reflect the dumbing down of mainstream political reporting?

    Commenter
    Whyalla Wipeout
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 11:26AM
    • Ouch, someone took their cranky pills this morning.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:31AM
    • I'd go with the dumbing down, it has been happening for years - the whole "surplus good deficit bad" approach. Similarly the fact checkers are wasting time on whether the libs are actually outspending the ALP on ads rather than tackling policy.
      At this rate I fear the movie "Idiocracy" is becoming a documentary.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:35AM
    • A bad day for Rudd, Whyalla? Don't despair. Tony will have his bad days too for sure. You could bet on it if you weren't so anti gambling.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:49AM
    • Tim.....Typical MO for you Tim. WW is absolutely correct. Instead of mock ups of movie characters and so called "commentary" some of us are more concerned with policy and not spin. But having read many of your posts Tim it would appear you would rather act as a cheerleader and groupie than debate policy. RAH RAH RAH

      Commenter
      I think therefore I am not Tony
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:49AM
    • Macca75
      Then tell your mate Kevin to stop spinning lies so we can concentrate on the real issues!!!!

      Commenter
      Stop the spin.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:50AM
    • 1.42 p.m: I reckon Jacqueline wiped-out "Whyalla Wipeout"...

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:51AM
    • Tim of Altona, the other Tim, Lewis, and the other fellow whose name I can't recall. All the Liberal lackeys respond and not a single comment of substance among them. Really reflects the party they are so proud of.

      Other Tim, with all due respect, I think Ms Maley is much better off without you on her cheer squad.

      I was chuffed to get a direct response. It was and is an important issue - what do you prioritise when you are reporting on an election campaign? I'm glad it is out there. Shame that, to date, hers is the only intelligent and meaningful response other than those who agreed with me.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:17PM
  • So some lawyer has come out claiming Tony Abbott saved his life. I mean goodo, but seriously, it doesn't mean Abbott can suddenly run a country. What's with these stories that are suddenly popping up? Unbelievable staging in my books. The media (including The Age) wants Abbott and they spend their time assassinating the character of Rudd (Rudd as the psychopathic Joker in yesterday's Age)

    This is outrageous behaviour. I think it might almost be time to protest this disgusting behaviour.

    Commenter
    Tone
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 11:25AM
    • Not yet it isn't Tone.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:33AM
    • I'll bet you a motza that had Rudd once saved someones life we would have heard about it over and over and it would have been widely reported.in the media too.

      No conspiracy swirling around here - just the facts.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:35AM
    • Of course the guy is saying that. Abbott is about to give him $75000!! I am surprised he didn't claim that Abbott resuscitated him and beat up all the terrorists.
      Contrast this with Mr Rudd who during the Queensland floods, after being deposed of his job, was quietly seen helping people out with moving their possessions out of their inundated homes, for those of you who remember, Mr Rudd then went on to hospital as the polluted waters in which he was working gave him an infection.

      Commenter
      Mali
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:37AM
    • Just some clever strategist employed to source whomever to soften the look of Truckin Tone. Make up artist, the daughters, the victim, kissing babies.All contrived. Where's Bernie Banton's family?
      Did like Tony Windsors take on him at the end of AS with the lifesaver cap on, ironing the budgie smugglers and letting off a bit of steam with the iron!

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:38AM
    • So Tone, what do you think of the video of BoF chastising Rudd?

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:46AM
    • Abbott intervened to save the mate of one of the Liberal MPs.
      This is what we can expect from an LNP government. Special treatment for their mates. And $75,000 for good measure.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:46AM
    • I am more worried about the fact that - although the government has already compensated the Bali victims, Abbott thinks that they ought to be compensated more by giving them an addition $75000. If this was a banana republic, I would get it but in fair Australia, what is going on?

      Commenter
      Granpa
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:58AM
  • Just loving the fact checkers. Definitely boosts the entertainment value.

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 11:13AM
  • But Jacqueline - who fact checks the fact checkers?

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 11:06AM
  • "Our opponents are outspending us in this campaign in ads 10 to one on negative ads."
    More lies from Kevin Rudd.
    Will this guy ever stop the spin?

    Commenter
    Stop the spin
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 11:06AM
    • Maybe he's talking about 3 or 4 elections from now like most of his policies?

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:23AM
    • This is a fact which can only be checked at the end of the campaign - As you will see, we are about to be bombarded by LIB advertising to the point that we will turn our TVs off. The LIBS have more money than Labor when it comes to their advertising budget (they even have a private plane for Tony to use - fact check it) so that they can run a well funded and luxurious campaign.

      Commenter
      Believer
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:34AM
    • Believer... You are wrong!
      It's a fact you can check right now.
      The statement is in the present tense not the future.
      Stop spinning please!

      Commenter
      Stop the spin.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:47AM
    • Stop the Spin, are you dyslexic? Re-read my post please. Of course to date there might not be a significant diff between parties in spending but my point was "wait and see" the worst of the bombardment is yet to come.

      Commenter
      Believer
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:14PM
    • By the way Believer, would you please get your mate Kevin Rudd to stop spinning lies?
      We need to get to the issues here and stop spending time deflecting fibs.

      Commenter
      Stop the spin.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 2:59PM
  • Err, I hate to sate the obvious, but both major camps are lying to us. You guys are arguing which camp is the worst liar? The only thing that matters is you are being lied too?

    You do understand the meaning of the word credulous do you?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 11:05AM
    • Katter and Palmer are probably the most honest and genuine (minor) party leaders in this campaign.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:15AM
    • You know the joke.
      "How do you know a politician is lying?"
      "They opened their mouth"

      Nothing has changed since the first person told that joke.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:26AM
  • More spin and lies - the available numbers do not support Mr Rudd's claim that the Coalition is outspending labor 10 to one on negative ads - Politicfacts - FALSE

    Commenter
    Baltic13
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 11:03AM
    • Abbott has not released all of his pork barrelling yet!! Wait and see.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:10AM
    • Love your attitude Spin. It's not a lie...it just hasn't happened yet. I'm sure it wil though.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:53PM
  • Bring on Sunday 8th September. No, give it a week to settle down - let's say Monday 16th September. Then the real rubbish starts with journos and all the interested groups asking when their particular issue will be resolved. "But you said the thingamebob would be done. So when WILL it be done?" And so it goes for another three years.

    Commenter
    CARROL
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 11:01AM
  • TiredOfSpin

    I don't know the source of your information, however the only CSP power station in Australia is the CSIRO pilot plant.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 10:50AM
    • He gets it from the Labor party Cheat-sheets.

      Commenter
      Stop the spin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:14AM
  • Interesting to see the character of these two leaders ... Abbott at the bedside of a Bali bombing victim whilst on holiday ... Rudd white anting his own party from the back bench.
    Forget what each of them say, look at how they act. I bet Shorten is counting the days till the election as well, and certainly not for the benefit of the ALP.

    Commenter
    For Sure
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 10:44AM
    • All I have to say to you is : Bernie Banton.

      Commenter
      Mali
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:48AM
  • Will Abbott give $75.000 to all those families that lost soldiers in the war that Abbott sent us to?

    Commenter
    Archer
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 10:41AM
    • In the tradition of all Coalition governments Abbott will give money to anyone who will vote for him.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:00AM
    • Not sure what war you are referring to?
      It's important because I don't recall Tony Abbott ever sending troops to a war. That can only be done by the PM with the support of the opposition who I believe have supported every overseas engagement since WW1?

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:01AM
  • Well, looks like Rudd hasn't worked out for Labor. Is there still time to switch back to Jules?

    Commenter
    adrian
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 10:38AM
    • Funny - the Essential poll has it still at 50/50. The Murdoch press in particular, however, favour the landline bot polls that look much worse for the ALP. Funny that.

      It's not over yet, despite your hubris. Still plenty of time for more idiotic pronouncements by Abbott and Sloppy.

      Commenter
      BC
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 10:50AM
    • Rudd's a dudd!

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 10:53AM
    • Is that a new Liberal slogan? If it is, it adds to the Liberals bad taste and bad manners.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:14AM
    • Essential poll? Rudd could walk around parliament house with his undies on his head and Eassential polling would say "voters fully support Rudd's underpants on head".

      Commenter
      LG
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:46AM
    • bad taste abdbad manners! boohoo! the guy is a dudd and a very sad sad joke on all of us

      Commenter
      Hornberger
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:48AM
    • If Essential has it at 50/50 then we know really it is 47/53 Coalition.

      Commenter
      Paul
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:52AM
    • Funny - the Essential poll has it still at 50/50. The Murdoch press in particular, however, favour the landline bot polls that look much worse for the ALP. Funny that.

      It's not over yet, despite your hubris. Still plenty of time for more idiotic pronouncements by Abbott and Sloppy.

      Commenter
      BC
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 10:50AM
    • Rudd's a dudd!

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 10:53AM
    • Is that a new Liberal slogan? If it is, it adds to the Liberals bad taste and bad manners.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:14AM
    • Essential poll? Rudd could walk around parliament house with his undies on his head and Eassential polling would say "voters fully support Rudd's underpants on head".

      Commenter
      LG
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:46AM
    • bad taste abdbad manners! boohoo! the guy is a dudd and a very sad sad joke on all of us

      Commenter
      Hornberger
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:48AM
    • If Essential has it at 50/50 then we know really it is 47/53 Coalition.

      Commenter
      Paul
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:52AM
  • One of the funniest campaign moments occurred yesterday -

    AG Mark Dreyfus calls a press conference to continue the govts attack on Abbott and no-one turns up except a lone Sky News camera man.

    Presumably hoping someone would turn up he went ahead with his address anyway. At the conclusion he asked the rows of empty chairs if there are any questions

    *Silence*

    He thanks (the chairs) for attending and exits the room

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 10:26AM
    • Seriously??!? LOL, where did you see that?

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 10:49AM
    • It hit You Tube this morning courtesy of Sky News. It's the funniest vision.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:10AM
    • Maybe Dreyfus was channelling Clint Eastwood at the 2012 Republican national Convention - which was part of another losing presidential campaign...

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:47AM
  • With Rineharts $2 a day and Abbott's $2,500 a year that will work out at $50 a week.

    Top pay for Aussies aspiring to "Hope, reward & opportunity".

    No doubt production will increase exponentially.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 10:25AM
    • Do they get a "Green Army" uniform thrown in or do they have to buy that themselves?
      Now here's an idea for Anthony and his manufacturing aspirations. He could also promise to set up a factory (he's rather fond of those) to make the uniforms in his Northern Economic Zone with industry controlled pokies in the tea rooms, of course.
      As a further incentive special employees will be awarded a recreational fishing boat for rest and relaxation in his dams.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:15AM
    • ACG, maybe he can use the boats he plans to buy from Indonesia.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:33AM
    • Lewis that was my drift (pun intended).

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:25PM
  • What Abbott fails to grasp is that a lot of us have finished having babies, or don't want to have babies, or can't have babies, or don't even like babies!

    Commenter
    Passionfruit
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 10:22AM
    • Ah, Passionfruit, I love my grandchildren. If I knew how much fun I would have with them and how much love we would share, we would have had them first!!

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 10:44AM
    • And your point is - the ALP has a paid parental leave policy - or have you conveniently forgotten that - or are you only fixed on the Coalition's policy

      Commenter
      Baltic13
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 10:46AM
    • My point is that many people (and many mothers) won't benefit from the Abbott PPL, so any budgetary changes to pay for it will be looked at with some concern...especially for those who are losing something (whether it be less income from shares or loss of school kids bonus). We all accept paying SOMETHING towards things we don't use or don't value, through our taxes, but when that something is made bigger we are right to question it. A modest Labor PPL, the status quo, seems to be fair option given the budgetary constraints and competing concerns. In any case, the biggest issue for working mothers is childcare and then schooling costs.

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:18AM
    • I think what passionfruit is trying to say is that she does want her welfare to compete with new welfare initiatives because new initiatives are not about her

      Commenter
      The taxpayer
      Location
      there
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:24AM
    • I certainly agree with Passionfruit. A quick survey of my daughter's friends showed that about half are stay at home Mums because they can't get child care!

      This is most true of the mining towns and the mining "feeder" towns.to make things worse, rents are astronomical in these areas too.

      Outside the big cities there are fewer professional women who can access PPL provided by the public servants, banks, big business.

      Many Mums work casual jobs and aren't eligible for PPL.

      Those I talked to would prefer a PPL with the basic wage, coupled to guaranteed Childcare. Not access to Childcare, but a guaranteed place for that baby.

      I think this is reasonable and sustainable in the longer term. A payment of up to $75,000 being split between PPL and child care for that baby is a much better proposition to assist women to stay in the workforce.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:59AM
    • Excellent comment TiredOfSpin!

      taxpayer, I haven't received any sort of centrelink payment in my entire life. Nor do I have any children (so sc bonus irrelevant). I guess I'll lose out from less share income in my super, but I'm pretty well-off overall. So no, I say all this because I care about better use of government money. That's the main reason why I vote Labor; again and again they have done what's necessary for the economy (and society) and I find them to be superior money managers (means-testing for starters!).

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:39PM
  • That was Barry's last opportunity to shake Kevin 007's hand. They will never meet again.

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 10:21AM
  • Hmmm, I starting to like Kevin Rudd, he can handle crisis and see big picture, a Prime Minster running the country.

    Commenter
    Long Huang
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 10:21AM
    • .....you had us going for a while, but if it makes you feel better, when I got the joke I had a good belly laugh

      Commenter
      The taxpayer
      Location
      there
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:18AM
  • So Abbott gets to 'dismiss' anything which disagrees with him. Do people know how many times the words Abbott and dismisses have occurred together recently? I have counted 20 times in the last few days. Why does he get the option? Where is all the hard-hitting journalism? And why does the Opposition leader get to be Tony Abbott on this blog and the PM (the PM for goodness sake) get to be The Ruddster? Even in America when I was there, the mainstream press (not Fox News) did not refer to the President as Obamaman or a nickname. Why is it not impolite to do it here? If it's not, why isn't Ms. Maley referring to Tony as Downton Abbott or some such thing? Surely they want to be fair...yeah right.

    Commenter
    juletjones
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 10:19AM
  • @12.01pm

    A "can do" State premier talking to a "thought bubble" Prime Minister: "and by the way, the North West Rail link and the F3/M2 link are both underway now..."

    Commenter
    Alternate View
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 10:19AM
    • But Can-Do rejected Labor funding for an upgrade for west of Brisbane, but he accepted with fanfare the Liberal offer for the same thing.

      But, wait for it, the offers were exactly the same!

      If Labor wins he will have egg on his face and no funding

      In the same stupid way that Can-do turned down Gonski funding.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 10:56AM
  • Gilding the Lily the latest scare from Labor "Fraudband" consigning Australia to the digital dark ages. What complete Bunkum. Most people in Australia don't need Super high speed broadband but for almost all who want it will be able to get it. Now what did I call it B4 oh that's right "ornamenting & over embellishing "their arguments. Bye Labor !

    Commenter
    Optimist
    Location
    After the 7th September !
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 10:17AM
    • Yes Optimist, I listened on the radio to the candidates in Swan's electorate talking about the MBN add the additional costs to industry of paying for fibre connection from the business to the node. The figure was from thousands to hundreds of thousands depending on how far away the node is.

      The Liberal candidate said their scheme gave a delivery 5 times as Fast as existing copper. Not so said Swan and the Greens candidate, the existing copper from the node to the business is the rate determining step.

      Why is the Liberal Party getting away with the misrepresentations? Why do people believe them?

      Is it that they represent themselves as pillars of society?

      Unfortunately the misrepresentations found out in this campaign are adding up.

      So is the constant vilification of Rudd having an impact and not the one the Liberals envisioned.

      It is not impossible for Labor to come from behind and win!!

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:08AM
    • Opti, the Liberal fraudband is designed to meet the needs of yesterday with almost no scope for improvement without then connecting to the premises.

      The whole mindset of the Liberal Party and its supporters is to get to an Australia in 10 years time that will meet its needs last year!

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:41AM
  • 12.01 pm Barry isnt waving his finger - just letting Kevin know how many harbourside casinos he needs room for.

    Commenter
    David D
    Location
    Ettalong Beach
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 10:13AM
    • If I were there it would have been a different finger I would have shown Rudd.

      Commenter
      Now you see him
      Location
      Soon you won't
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 10:55AM
    • Self regulated ones?

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:41AM
  • King Barry O is a hypocrite . Banganroo anyone and now this?

    Commenter
    Molly
    Location
    Glebe
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 10:09AM
  • If Labour wins and Rudd loses his seat..who will Labour put forward as PM? Julia Gillard?

    Commenter
    P
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 10:09AM
    • Albo or me?

      Commenter
      Peter
      Location
      Beattie
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 10:37AM
  • Great photo by Andrew Meares @12.01 -

    Rudd looks like the naughty school boy been caught out doing something shouldn't have and being chastised by the principal.

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 10:08AM
    • What about the photo @ 12:56pm? Have you noticed how he looks like Erick Cartman?

      Commenter
      Barto
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:29AM
  • BO'Fs conservatives sees ruination in the RAN moving out of some of the most expensive real estate in the world.

    Never any "vision" as to what it could mean for Sydney .... even after they gave Packer public land for his casino.

    Australians see the RAN relocating to an area where its defense capabilities do not have to stream 2,000 nautical miles before it arrives on the "scene".

    Australians see the RAN being able to assist Australian cyclone victims quicker.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 10:07AM
  • Would like to know what Abbott think about 700 pokie machines in Catholic clubs.
    Counselling and a chapel is in there
    codependency is more like it.

    Commenter
    Wendyv
    Location
    Westies
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 10:06AM
    • Good comment. Yes, free run to the clubs and casinos and forget the problem gamblers and their families. Labor ought to have stuck with the $1 minimum bet, but they at least tried. Well, the Liberals are always at the mercy of the lobby groups and money.

      Commenter
      juletjones
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:14AM
  • Paul Barry's attack on the Murdoch media on Media Watch was so hypocritical as to be laughable. No mention whatsoever of the opposite bias shown daily at The Age of course. That's clearly OK and doesn't fit the premise. Also ignored the Daily Telegraph's support of Kevin07.

    The theme continued on in Q&A, with a UK Labor MP whose special interest was Murdoch bashing on the panel...

    Fortunately, even he had to admit that free press was alive and a good thing.

    As for Bill Shorten, if he is the best the ALP can do, post KRudd, then the ALP is definitely in trouble. Try answering the question asked Bill, then you won't look shifty and get challenged by Tony Jones (which was amazing in itself).

    As for trumpeting the National Disability Scheme and Education reforms as being delivered by the ALP, they haven't actually happened yet, let alone have funding. Are they like the 2012-2013 budget surplus that was "delivered" according to several ALP MPs and their campaign literature?

    Commenter
    Alternate View
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 10:03AM
    • You sound desperate because you know there is no talent in the Liberal Party. Don't worry-they're all bound for obscurity come Sept. 7 with the possible exception of Turnbull.

      Commenter
      juletjones
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:02AM
    • If you listened to Bowen when he presented the Budget Update, both the Gonski and Disability Insurance funding was included in the forward estimates.

      So don't tell me they are not fully funded!

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:49AM
  • @11.28
    Just watched the Paul Barry 'analysis' of Rudd's slow burn out.
    Barry has stooped to a new low in reporting in that tabloid, shock horror style. Embarrassing contribution from our ABC - can we have the previous host back Mr Scott.
    Barry says that Rudd's popularity has plummeted since the campaign began. By this I think he means the 'campaign' he perceives Murdoch to be waging.

    Rudd's popularity has plummeted because voters have had a chance to look at how fake and dodgy he is. We have been reminded of his capitulations in government and of his insincere and verbose, manner.
    The REAL footage of his swearing dummy spit and the VERY REAL declarations about his character from his former colleagues are damning.
    Labor's budget blowout and leadership regurgitations are damning.
    Rudd is responsible for his own plummeting popularity. Not Murdoch.

    Commenter
    yys
    Location
    NotMyABC
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 9:58AM
  • More pork barrelling from Abbott! At least the long-term unemployed are a better target for this largesse than the pokies lobby.

    So what's getting cut to pay for this one? A freeze to increases in the dole, perhaps?

    Commenter
    Arky
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 9:52AM
    • Yeah because Rudd hasn't done any pork barreling?

      Commenter
      adrian
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 10:25AM
  • "Abbott is now formally announcing the cash bonuses a Coalition government would give to the long-term unemployed (if they get a job obviously)."

    If this doesn't work or goes wrong, will the Abbott lackeys sneer at it the way that they sneered at Grocery watch? Thought not. They are not even sneering at the ludicrous 'cash for barely floating clunkers'.

    Risky ideas by Liberals

    Commenter
    Whyalla Wipeout
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 9:48AM
  • Media watch has a secret agenda; to denigrate the impeccable reputation and character of Rupert Murdoch. (snort!)

    Commenter
    David D
    Location
    Ettalong Beach
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 9:47AM
    • @David D

      hack, hack.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 10:21AM
  • Abbott's throwing around money like a drunken sailor. What happened to the "budget emergency"?
    Buying boats from Indonesian fisherman
    PPL
    Direct Action paying polluters
    Hecs style loans to apprentices
    Payments for people who do their job
    and on and on.

    Abbott's policies are a farce.

    Commenter
    What a joke
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 9:45AM
    • I thought the NLP's claim to fame was to put the federal budget back in the black. With so much extra spending, how is this to happen?

      Commenter
      Casa
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 10:34AM
    • He only gave loans to apprentices!

      So few apprentices qualify for their trade these days because of low wages ( and I know first year apprentices now earn $10 something an hour) and the cost of their training - fees, books and equipment. They study at TAFE or a private provider.

      In the 40s TAFE was either free or charged a very low fee. Now fees are astronomical and TAFE Directors cannot waive fees in the case of hardship. Neither of course can the private providers.

      I should like the government to reimburse the up front fees paid by apprentices when they pas each year. This is both incentive and reward.

      It means that only in first year will they or their family have to borrow money. This would be an important scheme to build up our deficits in trades where there are shortages.

      The savings will be the large amount of money and resources that are wasted on training young people who drop out because of hardship.

      This would be a much better investment than allowing access to HECs.

      For goodness sake, we supported trade and Certificate training until the 80s when fee for service and fee recovery became the mantra.

      What about investing in skills for Australia? Then we would not need the easily rorted 457 Visa.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:31AM
  • Can someone clarify the facts, Rudd said Abbott would shut schools and sack nurses, is that true? Aren’t the schools and nurses controlled by state government?

    Commenter
    NBNBlowout
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 9:43AM
  • Any truth to the possible existence of a super secret defence plan recommending Garden Island stay, and Australia get towed through 180 degrees instead? Benefits would include no expensive relocation costs for Navy top brass, plus viewing really nice sunsets over the ocean from the verandah. Spiffing, wot!

    Commenter
    David D
    Location
    Ettalong Beach
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 9:42AM
  • You want to talk more about Murdoch papers and not Abbott's costings? What's going on here.

    Commenter
    Ange
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 9:35AM
  • More photos of "Little Boots" Abbott will get the "Pen" into a much more verbose mood.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 9:34AM
  • Abbott buying Indonesian fishing boats and giving $2,500 to long term unemployed.

    Best get that costing out before Australian voters start thinking Australia is not broke.

    While they take their 10 year old car through the car wash.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 9:31AM
    • J.Fraser, I just heard Rudd saying the Navy will be moved to Brisbane by 2030, I assume the sailors will follow on the Very Fast Train.
      Labor gets more bizarre every day.
      Next week should be fun.

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:39AM
    • Need to add the $100 billion dollar blowout to the cost of labors NBN J. Fraser, let be fair, when will we see the report Albo? If your going to take Abbott to accunt on having his costings out lest make it a level playing field. Sure you agree.

      Commenter
      NBNBlowout
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:41AM
    • But, Frazer, the long term unemployed will only get the job and there will be a significant loss of jobs under Abbott as there were in Qld which now has an increased unemployment rate 2% than the national average under the LNP.

      I think it is an empty promise!

      Better if Abbott had put money into training for each and everyone of the unemployed.

      But no, that would cost real Money.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 10:02AM
    • And giving up to $75 000 to new mothers at the expense of our retirees, AND giving away $75 000 to the victims of overseas terrorist attacks but not to the victims of international attacks/crime. Austerity measures, uncosted policies, on and on. This is an indication of how this man plans ti run our country into a recession.

      Commenter
      Mali
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 10:32AM
  • Rudd is now criticising Abbott for not putting out his costings yet, and escaping scrutiny more generally.
    What a hypocrite!

    Commenter
    Bruce
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 9:28AM
    • Why Bruce. Almost the entirety of Labor's costings for the next four years are out there - in the economic statement and PEFO.

      There are NO independent economists pointing out a $30 BILLION shortfall in Labor's sums for the next four years. There are a lot pointing out that Abbott is $30 billion short.

      Now Abbott may be hiding $30 billion of savage cuts or he may be happy to have a $30 billion bigger deficit. He has certainly set the bar very, very low for himself. But he won't tell us until it is too late for the general swinging voter to think about it.

      Now THAT is hypocrisy!

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:55AM
    • Wrong Whyalla they are continually pointing to 70 Billion "Gilding-the-Lily"

      Commenter
      Opto
      Location
      Hi nearly over
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 10:20AM
    • No, that $70 was the only figure out there for a long time. We now have independent, up-to-date assessments by real economists.

      And all the Liberals do is say they are wrong.

      There are only two figures out there. $70 billion and $30-$35 billion. They are the ONLY amounts.

      One of them has to be true because we have no figures from the only others who might know - the Liberals. They either have ugly cuts they are hiding or plan a humungous deficit that shows up their rhetoric for the lies they are.

      Which one is it? They are the only choices out there.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:29AM
  • You can't make silk purse out of sow ears
    Like Abbott and Bishop. Thier distastefulli comments, not dignifiy to be leader and foreign minster. They are bullies.

    Commenter
    Memes
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 9:28AM
  • Abbott is full of ideas which are not well thought out. He is about to pay women earning up to $150000 a wage of $75000 plus super, no indication how this will impact our retirees who will fund at east half the scheme, is this a ploy to help out his daughters at everyone's expense?
    No indication how this will impact family payments and other government schemes, which women earning at a lower level depend on.
    Now, his personal friend has asked him to set up government funded compensation of up to $75000 for victims of terrorist crime overseas. He criticises the Labor government for not doing this, even though the main terrorist attacks where Australians ave been caught happened under the Howard government. He claims that victims of crime overseas will not enjoy the compensation, yet he can't say what the difference between being in a terrorist attack overseas and being in an otherwise terror evoking attack, such as rape or witnessing a murder or natural disaster, he cannot say whether a reason of another nationality who was a victim of terrorism and now is an Australian can access the $75000. A man who clearly does not think about an idea for more than 5 minutes.

    Commenter
    Mali
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 9:26AM
  • Interesting today that ex-Hawke Minister Gary Johns has written an article on the Labor debt.

    He questions what benefit Australia has got for the $250 billion + gross debt, and wonders whether Labor should make a national apology for it.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 9:25AM
    • Hacka, Gary Johns went completely right wing economic years ago.

      If you must play this game, I'll see your ministerial Gary Johns and raise you a Prime Ministerial Malcolm Fraser. At least Labor does not have any ex-Prime Ministers promoting the candidacy of a Greens Senator!

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:58AM
    • WW - can i raise you a Warren Mundine then ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 10:51AM
    • The case of Warren Mundine is interesting. For some reason that continues to escape me, Abbott has always genuinely been bipartisan on indigenous affairs. It is the only policy area which he has not sent to purgatory in order to achieve power.

      Warren Mundine recognises that and wants the best for indigenous affairs, an area that he obviously has the greatest interest in. He also was never a politician. I think Tony will be good for our indigenous population if he gets power. The rest of us, though, are up the creek unless you are very well off.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:24PM
  • Murdoch,you are making it easier for me to vote RUDD,and by the way Rupert,we dont like disgraced Americans like you interfering in OUR politics.

    Commenter
    Steeden
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 9:21AM
    • @Steeden

      Try to get that published in the Murdoch's "free press".

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:26AM
    • Funnily how Rudd has brought out from the US the muck team to run a dirt campaign against the Liberals.
      Look at the tactic being used against Bowen challenger KIing, all the lies that have been told by the ALP about him without them willing show to the proof of their dirt campaign.
      We do not want US style politics here but that is exactly what Rudd has imported here.
      Having lived in the US for a while the tactics used by the ALP are exactly the same as used by both the major parties there.
      Remember most News Ltd papers back the ALP at the last two elections but of course you will not remember that or want to remind the public of this truth.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:30AM
    • @Steeden

      Send it to Kelly O'Dwyer and ask her if she can get it published in Murdoch's "free press" ... for you.

      A community service for all Australians.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:35AM
    • But you accept American advisers to the PM for the election - are they on 457 visas - no-one here can tell crap like them yanks ? Hawker is hopeless... but still

      Commenter
      gc
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:37AM
    • Steeden, are you saying that deep down you really want to vote for the Coalition, but News Ltd's papers are preventing you from supporting Abbott?

      Here's a tip, stop buying and reading News Ltd papers and you'll be back to voting for the Coalition in no time.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:41AM
    • terry: News Limited papers backing Rudd at one election where he was always going to win is not a sign that News Limited is unbiased. It means Rupert knows when a cause is lost. News spent the whole Keating and Howard eras backing the Coalition to the hilt and Sky News and Fox News are as right-wing as it comes. As soon as Rudd got elected, News Limited went right back to trying to kill Labor - they were in the vanguard of all the phoney stuff about how the mining tax would kill the mining companies.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:47AM
    • terry, they are not actually a 'muck' team. The US muck team is still at Fox News HQ.

      What some of Obama's campaign staff are doing is what they did in the US. Conservatives lie and dissemble to convince the swinging voter of their lies. Occasionally their mask slips when they are not careful or think they are among friends.

      These guys do nothing more than watch for the mask to slip to reveal the true character of the right-wing politician, while the general public is distracted. Want Tony Abbott? You won't be getting the carefully stage-managed smug platitudes that is all we have been allowed to see. There is something much more nasty underneath that we have seen only when he has been asked about careless comments in Afghanistan or has been called out on his sexist put-downs of Julia Gillard.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 10:04AM
    • J. Fraser...of course gullible QLDers always believe what they read. That society is educated by printed papers believing they know it all.

      Commenter
      P
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 10:14AM
    • Whyalla Wipeout
      Unless you have lived in the US you do not know what you are talking about.
      I have lived in the US and have seen the good and the bad of US politics,
      Rudd has brought a muck unit that worked for Obama.
      Why is there a need to import anyone from another country to help run a political campaign other than to run a muck unit.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:53AM
    • Terry, just because you lived in the USA does not make you an expert in all things American. In a country of over 300 million people, nobody could speak with authority about the whole country.

      It is clear what your politics are (how is the Tea Party going?) and it is clear what my politics are. The fact that you have lived in the USA is totally irrelevant and is used as a bully tactic to suggest that you speak with greater authority. The fact is that I could find a thousand US residents on the street in many USA cities who would immediately agree with me and say you are talking rubbish. Its politics, not experience, that is driving our comments.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:33PM
  • photo @10.52 of Rudd

    Sorry but after the Bishop joke about
    tracky dacks'ncracks at the Libs launch, a PM in tracky dacks, albeit of a tailored type, just looks ruddy funny to me.

    Commenter
    yys
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 9:18AM
    • @"YYS"

      You're just as tasteless as Bishop (the younger).

      Obviously upper middle class bagans.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:56AM
    • Love my tracky dacks so probs I am.
      Are you enjoying the tv programme?

      p.s. it's yys not YYS.

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:04PM
  • Alex photo@10.43 -

    Our Federal Police must boast the fittest personal protection team in the world keeping up each morning with Abbott's rigorous fitness regime

    Andrew photo@10.31 -

    Clearly fitness is not a prerequesite for assignation to Rudd's team. Wonder who's carrying the donuts?

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 9:15AM
    • So by your standards (and I use the term mockingly) Abbott is PM material because he thinks he's a jock. You really are the epitome of the "fan" voter - tragedy for this country is that there are so many of you.

      Commenter
      BC
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:26AM
    • @"Tim of Altona"

      Abbott should take to carrying a PC, Tablet or Smartphone.

      Instead of weights.

      Oh ! that's right .... 3 years after Abbott tells Australia he is not a "tech head" ..... he still isn't one.

      In a technological age the Abbott cheer squad wants to elect one of Palmer's dinosaurs.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:47AM
    • How precious BC

      I thought it was a comment on personal responsibility for health, as opposed to slovenly indolence.

      Commenter
      Louis Cypher
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:54AM
  • This is the same PM who last time promised a massive re-equipment of the ADF in his infamous White Paper. We are now at the lowest level of defence spending per GDP since before WW2. Anything the ALP says on defence simply cannot be believed.

    Commenter
    Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 9:13AM
    • I'm trying to work out when defence spending became such a massive priority at a time when we're meant to be cutting back. Was it when it became something to criticise the ALP for?

      I'm pretty sure no-one is planning on invading us at the moment. As long as we hold off on provoking Indonesia by doing some of the things that Mr Abbott wants to do, we'll be fine.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:26AM
    • Obviously the main thrust of both major parties is to pay off the debt in a responsible manner. It is why no one should take these absurd promises of more spending seriously.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:33AM
    • Defence spending is required to maintain the exisiting personnel and equipment as well as for future acquisitions and contingencies. Rudd's previous White Paper stated that the minimum required to maintain just the exisiting personnel and equipment would be 1.5% of GDP. We are now below that. He's prepared to spend $6 billion to unnecessarily relocate a major fleet base, but no commitments to maintain or increase basic spending.

      And by the way - I criticised the Howard Government for its defnce cutbacks when I needed to. Defence is not a partisan issue.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:37AM
    • @"Tim of Altona"

      Completely agree with you.

      The way Abbott is going with Indonesia we will soon be at war with that country.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:58AM
    • Sorry J Fraser - I am a completely separate person to "Tim of Altona", although I used to live in Altona years ago.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:39AM
  • Jakarta hits out at Coalition's 'crazy, unfriendly' boat buyback scheme
    You wont see this story in any murdoch media!!..Rupert wants his puppet Tony wrapped in cotton wool.

    Commenter
    Steeden
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 9:13AM
    • Steeden, it actually was on The Adelaide Advertiser last night. I was flabbergasted to see it. Watered down but nonetheless it was there. Pendubury attempting some semblance of balance? Kate Ellis is his wife. Imagine the pillow talk.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:35AM
    • Again your facts are wrong just like the ALP

      The Australian 27/8/13, page 2

      "Jakarta Furious over Abbott buyback plan"

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:46AM
    • Steeden,

      This display of dissent you show towards a proposed LNP policy is somewhat similar to that you showed when Tony Abbott came up with the Northern Australia white paper - before Rudd stole the idea!
      Hang in there Steeden, when Rudd comes up with the same idea you will call it "vision".

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:36PM
  • Plenty of photos of Rudds hair yesterday.

    Could we see more photos of the "Little Boots" of Abbott ?

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 9:08AM
    • Rudd's hair has a tough life, imagine having to trek around with Rudd day in day out.

      Maintains an amazing sense of perspective despite lack of employment choices.
      Show some respect for @KevinsFringe
      J.Fraser.

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:23AM
  • "''I know politicians are going to be judged on everything they say but sometimes in the heat of discussion you go a little bit further than you would if it was an absolutely calm, considered, prepared, scripted remark,'' said Abbott

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/read-my-lying-lips-abbott-admits-you-cant-believe-everything-he-says-20100517-v9ge.html#ixzz2d7vtvl1v

    When will the Australian voter be able to read the "carefully scripted" costings of Abbott's "policies" ?

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 9:02AM
  • Kevin Rudd and Labor will go to any lengths to get back into power and it evident, it’s not just the Abbott brand they intend to trash, they are now overseas trashing Brand Australia, In what is being described in this paper today, the most “far-fetched advertising ideas in election memory”, Labors advertising agency hired spruikers in Prague, New York, Singapore and Bucharest to sell a fake product called "Abbott's Internet". It's slow, you won't get it until 2019 and by the time it's installed it will already be out of date. Can we also please ask Anthony Albanese to confirm if he only holding on the NBN update report because the cost has now blown out over $100 billion dollars, will he put this out before the election so we have all the facts to decide on? The only brand they really need to sell is “Fake Rudd”

    Commenter
    Peter G
    Location
    Drummoyne
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 9:00AM
    • You must be joking. The Coalition have been talking down Australia for the past 6 years - talking up "sovereign risk" anyone? Labor talking down a Coalition policy is not talking down Australia.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:34AM
    • The budget blowout on the national Broadband Network was reported on the ABC to be between $80 and $90 billion, but will be surprised if Albo lets the cat out of the bag before the election, this is not in the budget so would make their deficit around $130 billion if it was included.

      Commenter
      NBNBlowout
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:38AM
  • Looks like the Queensland LNP newman bulldozers have hit the ground running and beaten Abbotts.

    One historic wall bulldozed and veteran servicemen upset.

    http://www.qt.com.au/news/veteran-receives-apology/1998765/#comments

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 8:56AM
  • Strange hw Brisbanites do not want a second casino .... but Abbott wants to free up the industry.

    Perhaps its all the betting Abbott's cheer squad is doing that is encouraging this "policy".

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 8:51AM
  • Kevin Rudd's "thought bubbles" get more and more bizarre as the days wind down to the election.

    Clearly taking the view that he has lost and therefore has nothing to lose, the most recent "announceables".i.e. the Fast Train and relocating the Navy are just prime examples of this.

    And yet, a policy that would actually get wide support now, announcing to build Sydney's second airport at Badgerys Creek, he continues to shy away from.

    I wonder what other crazy stuff he will announce before Sept 7?

    The Australian Space agency?

    Commenter
    Alternate View
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 8:39AM
    • The "fast train" and "relocating the Navy" mean nothing. We've heard these thought bubbles trotted out several times now.
      It's like something to say when you have nothing else to say.
      You would think with just over a week before the election he would have something of substance to say.

      Commenter
      Jill
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:45AM
    • The Snowy River project, Canberra and the Opera House were all thought bubbles at one time.

      Denigrating Australia at every turn is a very real thing with the Abbott cheer squad.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:10AM
    • What is wrong with a fast train? Our train services are woeful compared to other countries.

      Our roads are congested. Road transport uses gazillions of litres of diesel fuel and causes the most wear and tear on our roads.

      Freight trains compare favourably with road transport costs.

      Why demonise a good idea as a "thought bubble". Is it because it is a good idea and should get more traction?

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:20AM
    • Tired of spin - I agree but the fact Rudd is saying it just before the election means it means absolutely NOTHING.
      Flying cars would be good too.

      Commenter
      Paul
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:33AM
    • The difference between KRudd's thought bubbles and people with real vision is that no-one, except for KRudd himself actually knows anything about the "announceable" until the moment before it is announced.

      Grand plans with true vision are developed and discussed at length before they are committed to.

      A characteristic of KRudd is NOT to do this, witness the NBN which was "developed" on the back of a napkin in an aeroplane (and subsequently is proving impossible to build in anywhere near the time or budget as a result).

      KRudd's "Northern Initiative" earlier in this campaign was another one - none of his colleagues knew it was coming... and then had egg on their faces for railing so comprehensively against the LNP plan which KRudd was so obviously trying to steal.

      As for fast trains, well that idea (or an iteration of it) has been announced every recent election by the ALP and NOTHING has been done, in spite of the fact they have been in government for 6 long years. The reason? It's just not a viable project. If a corridor was already in place, maybe it would be, but the modern day environmental hurdles alone will kill it stone dead, not to mention the prohibitive cost.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:50AM
    • No Alternate view more bizarre than that "The Universal Nuclear Waste Repository" not "Suppository" but that might be an idea tends to inflame a bit ! Thanks to Bob a universal location for deposition intra glass for all nuclear waste possibly at Garden Island Creek Naval Base. Everyone happy ?

      Commenter
      Optimist
      Location
      Crikey !
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:23AM
  • I can't believe todays Age. Says its independent always and today looks like it is part of the Labour campaign. Hard to find a mention of Rudd with so much 'bagging' of Abbot! Can we at least get what we pay for, an indepndent view please!

    Commenter
    Sensue
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 8:38AM
    • Go to the Library and read Murdoch's Courier Mail.

      That way you will get your fill (and then some) of denigrating of Rudd.

      Under no circumstances feed murdoch by buying his paper.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:46AM
    • At least the Murdoch papers are open about it's biased reporting.

      Commenter
      Luke
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:47AM
    • Oh dear. can't take Murdoch's medicine turned around?

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:50AM
    • If you want to hear for the millionth time "Abbott hasn't released his costings"
      "doubts about Abbott's costings" rah rah rah you will get it here first everday, several times a day, all day.

      Commenter
      Andrew
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:51AM
    • That's called "scrutiny"...something the Liberal party hasn't been subject to, and it's about time. Still no word on where all the money is coming from, and only a week and a half to go.

      Commenter
      AtomicNirvana
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:53AM
    • Good point - As Tired of Spin has inferred. Fairfax is using the Murdoch conspiracy as a thinly veiled cover for its own Campaign. Whether motivated by commercial imperative OR motivated by their Hatred for all things Murdoch Media, Fairfax has picked a side. Fairfax have fallen into the trap of pushing the barrow. Now a free press can do what they like but in some way they have validated the News Limited Campaign with their own.. Tabloids will be tabloids..

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:02AM
    • Well at least the Age does not wait slavishly for Rupert's next tweet so they know what nastiness to put on their front cover.

      One-sided is putting the political leader of a major party on the cover of your paper in a Nazi uniform. Until the Age does that to Tony Abbott you know its more fair and even-handed than the rest of the major press in Australia.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:07AM
    • The Age has been pretty pro-Liberal all campaign. Apparently one article wanting scrutiny for Abbott is "bias" these days.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:32AM
    • Well 'Tired of Spin' and 'J. Fraser' seems the nastiness of today's politics has rubbed off on you. You don't even know who I am going to vote for, I asked for an Independent view as that is what I think todays media should give me. Oh well, just have to stop buying newspapers I guess and also stop listening to people like you.

      Commenter
      Sensue
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:35AM
  • Photo @ 10:31am. Is that Kevin Rudd channeling John Howard?

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 8:38AM
    • He wishes... Actually we all wishes...

      Commenter
      Jimc
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:52AM
    • Definitely trying to look sporty. Now please start running preferably somewhere overseas.

      Commenter
      PDJ
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:53AM
    • What a Phony - is there anything this guy will not do - he is so fake - he must wake up some days wondering what his role in life is - to tell porkies forever and be a complete narcissist ?

      Commenter
      gc
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:43AM
  • Has anyone else noticed how uncomfortable Tanya Plibersek seems whenever she is with Rudd.
    Not long now Tanya and he'll be out of the way.

    Commenter
    Caroline
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 8:35AM
  • When Julia Gillard imposed the carbon tax it is debatable if she understood that she was opening Pandora’s box to release all the evils in the world. You see the carbon tax challenged the right of real power to have power.

    For the first time government had stated via the carbon a different way to generate electricity in Australia other than coal. It probably reasons why Labor chose the more inefficient but less confronting wind turbines than far more efficient and larger capacity yet confronting concentrated solar power stations with salt storage. Because CSP with base load 24/7 capacity would have been more of a direct challenge to coal production and coal ownership in Australia.

    Nevertheless with a minuscule target reduction of 5% of year 2000 emissions it was enough to unleash the contents of Pandora’s box, henceforth the carbon tax would become the ultimate disaster to befall all Australians irrespective of truth, morality, ethics, and warnings of the dire consequences of climate change.

    The holders of real power unleashed a multi-million dollar campaign to shed Australia of both Julia Gillard and the carbon tax. Not because it was hurting the economy it was far too small to do that, it was because it challenged power.

    Consider how this election has evolved: how much debate has there been on climate change, almost none. Yet the carbon tax is perhaps the main issue. Consider the cost of education and disability care increases compared to the cost of the carbon tax. Consider the cost of the Coalition’s PPL scheme compared to the carbon tax, by the way it is doubtful to get past by the senate and Abbott knows this?

    So in a nutshell you have been had, oh boy have you been had.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 8:34AM
    • Difficult to figure out who is the most depressing .... the coalition or "Pen".

      Naaaaaw !

      Even "Pen" couldn't match Abbott's squad for depressing negativity.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:05AM
    • Pen, there is a thermal salt power station being built in the desert as we speak. It uses mirrors to concentrate the sun's thermal energy on the thermal pillar in the centre and heats the molten salt to extreme temperatures.

      This gives a continuous source of power when the heat is converted to power.

      The problems with both wind and solar power is that they are subject to the weather, but they can be plugged into an existing grid to assist with peak power.

      In northern Qld solar power has assisted to stop brownouts and blackouts in peak demand in very hot weather.

      This Labor government has continued to give grants to projects for alternative power generation. It is not the government setting up alternative power sources, it is industry.

      It takes both guts and entrepreneurial skill to develop these projects and consequently they have been slow to get to the project stage and slow to upscale to production.

      But it is happening.

      I wonder what the Liberals will do to the Clean Energy program. They were still talking about solar panels on homeowner's roofs last time I heard!!

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:37AM
    • TiredOfSpin

      Home voltaic solar is not effective in southern Australia in fact it is a waste of investment there. One is much better advised to buy blue chip shares. Also understand that the domestic market is a fraction of overall power use.

      Those home owners selling power to the grid have had there returns substantially reduced.

      The only way to effectively reduce emissions is either by nuclear means or CSP with the equivalent production capability of coal fired stations. Unlike other countries like the USA and Spain we have none of these although Australia offer the best conditions in the world for CSP.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:00AM
  • With the wall to wall advertising about how "broke" Australia is .... as well as the "emergency" and "crisis" the Abbott squad are always talking about, I was beginning to believe them.

    Naaaaaw !

    Not when Abbott announces a policy for unemployed that will cost at least $400 million.

    While at the same time saying he will sack 12,000 Aussies.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 8:34AM
    • J.Fraser, as Sept 7th. gets closer you seem to unravel a little bit more each day. The 12,000 public servants will be let go due to natural attrition. They serve no purpose anyway, they were just put there by their Labor friends. The $400 million is for those who really want to work, including union hacks.
      Steeden, what a great idea with the pokies, must have been up all night working that out.

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:57AM
    • Giving a cash "incentive" to long-term unemployed to return to work - what nonsense, like so many other Abbott ideas. This implies that somehow they're all just sitting around living the good life on the massive Newstart payments rather than looking for jobs they can't get anyway! Look at the market - if you're under 25 and have limited quals, good luck finding a job, and if you're over 45 let's hope you saved plenty, because even if you're lucky enough to get an interview it will be upwards of two years before you "might" get an offer.

      Yet another brain-burp by the LNP.

      Commenter
      BC
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:12AM
    • J.Fraser, I thought this might interest you Libs $1-06 - Labor $9-00 another week and the Libs will be unbackable.
      J.Fraser please do not worry about the $400 million for employment, you and Macka75 will not be forced to take a job.
      It will be for the Youth unemployment 25% under Labor, I would have thought Shorten would have mentioned the 25% last night on Q&A.

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:12AM
    • @"thepres"

      Didn't you say that yesterday.

      Repeating slogans has been a failure for Abbott.

      Look forward to your next instalment.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:28AM
  • Garden Island naval base closure?

    Could this be the end of Harry's Cafe de Wheels?

    This decision could leave Rudd with pie on his face.

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 8:25AM
  • Jacqueline @9.31 re G20

    Rudd is singing his own praises again re G20 - but what's new - have a look at FactChecker - Rudd is only half right.

    Rudd should give the other half of the credit to whom it is due - Costello

    http://theconversation.com/factcheck-did-kevin-rudd-help-create-the-g20-17049

    Commenter
    yys
    Location
    Labor: Whatever it Takes
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 8:24AM
    • Not as cringe-worthy as Tony tooting his own horn at the press conference re terrorism victims. Often he fails to hit the right note in these sensitive moments. Not sure why he had to recount his "remarkable day". Btw, if I had been in the government and visiting Bali that time, helping out victims, sounding time at the hospital etc would be a no-brainer! I'm sure every commenter here would have done the same in Tony's shoes.

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:45AM
    • Was it Tony hooting his own horn
      or Tony Wright hooting it for him?
      I had never read that story previously, had you?
      Whereas Rudd has been banging on about his role in the G20 for ever and a day.

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:10AM
    • I knew Paul Anicich when our sons were in the same year at the same school. I remember Paul's tragic circumstances well. That story is genuine.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:22AM
    • yys, I actually saw and heard the press conference. Tony was tooting for all it's worth, albeit in his awkward halting way. And using terms like "remarkable day" added to the cringeworthy contribution. My point was it wasn't necessary. He should have left the commentary to the victims. And when they did speak (saying nice things about Tony) he stood there staring at them intensely. Was disconcerting overall.

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:55AM
    • Passionfruit
      What you describe does seem like an awkward scene.
      Engaging with people who have been so badly affected by that horrible act of violence would be difficult. Re meeting must have been very emotional for all.
      The facts of Abbott trying to help at the time are commendable.
      I guess, we would all hope we could do the same in similar circumstances-
      getting in there and doing our best to help

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:40PM
  • Apparently bookies have Abbott at $500.73 cents to 1 cent to give costings today.

    But those figures will have to be checked by the Abbott cheer squad because the odds may be higher.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 8:23AM
    • How many time do you have to be reminded that ALP released their costings at the last two elections on the Friday and the Thursday before the last two elections.
      When will the ALP release their costings to the public and their plan to pay back the $300 billion.
      Since the ALP released the Budget up date the debt has increased by $1.5 Billion a week. Where is the ALP explanation of where the money is going?

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:40AM
    • @terry

      I thought your mob were all about "trust".

      Didn't Abbott say only to trust what he had written down.

      Write down the cost of his policies.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:58AM
    • terry: It's not just about the costings, it's about announcing the cuts and the policies. Abbott hasn't even said how he's going to pay for his agenda- costings or not- and that's completely indefensible. Relying on the media to tell everyone "don't worry, it's perfectly OK to vote for this guy without making him tell you where he's going to cut 50 billion from".

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:30AM
    • @J. Fraser
      If it good enough for the ALP to release their costings two days before the last two elections why can't the Liberals do the same?

      "I thought your mob were all about "trust"

      That does not say much about the trust of your mob if all they want are the Liberals costings while refusing to releases their costings in time for the public to exam them
      The truth is the ALP have nothing else to run on and have to run a distraction every day and talk about how bad Abbott will be as their own record is so appalling they do not want the public to see it or be reminded of it.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:42AM
  • How much will abbott's unemployemtn spending cost?

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 8:22AM
    • $400 million according to J. Fraser.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:08AM
    • @Lewis

      That's the low estimate.

      Use a calculator .... not a Hockey one !

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:14AM
    • Another $400m - where is all this money coming from?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:17AM
    • No need, Frase. I'm happy to accept your estimates. I also have no illusions re any politicians limitless capacity to spend other people's money.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:28AM
    • Well Abbott says his government won't get to surplus for another DECADE. That is 2023. And the surplus will 1% of GDP.

      So I guess the answer you are looking for is that Abbott is funding hiss extra promises with an enlarged deficit!!

      That is nothing but deceitful and the people of Australia who believe Abbott's propaganda of a demonised deficit NEED TO BE TOLD!!

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 10:50AM
  • Why didnt Abbott compensate the Bali Victims when he and Howard were in office?Oh wait i think Howard voted against it.

    Commenter
    Archer
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 8:21AM
    • Why doesn't Bali compensate them for the bombings which occurred in their country? Why doesn't the USA compensate them for the attack that occurred in their country?
      If An American suffered a crime here, they will sue us and get compensation from here. Abbott's mate and other Bali victims say that they are more special than a victim of rape or physical attack overseas - you see these will not get the $75000. I wonder if Abbott thinks through anything and whether he has any understanding of the law.

      Commenter
      Mali
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 10:29AM
  • Lets hope all of Abbotts hot air thought bubbles dont burst,otherwise it will set us back another 100 years.

    Commenter
    Steeden
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 8:18AM
    • Abbott's the man to vote for if you like living in the stone age.

      Commenter
      Qman
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:36AM
  • 9.50 am The berry berry expensive part of levering the navy out of the eastern suburbs and casting them out to the tropical wilderness will be extracting the top brass from their berry berry comfortable billets.

    Commenter
    David D
    Location
    Ettalong Beach
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 8:03AM
    • Brisbane is the tropical wilderness?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:11AM
    • Macca75; compared to Potts Point, Woollahra and Rose Bay it is a PRIMITIVE tropical wilderness. Full of savages. And heat. And XXXX. And powerboats. And millionare hairdressers and football players.Not nice.

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:28AM
    • Its not just the naval brass , its the many thousands of workers that maintain the base and the adjoining ADI facilities. Are they and their families going to be moved to Brisbane as well. Obviously another thought bubble.

      Commenter
      William
      Location
      Elizabeth Bay
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:30AM
    • William; the people you speak of work for Thales - the company formed after the ADI was privatised in 1999.
      Thales has c.3300 employees across 35 sites around the country, not just GI.
      And are you assuming that nothing will happen at GI? No cruise ships? No redelopment? Just big mothballs?

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:46AM
    • David D
      The Brisbane River with it's cute ferries on the river and the Modern Art Museum IS very very nice
      but probs not as much 'culture' per sq latte-cm as in those Eastern Suburbs of Sydney

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:27AM
  • @9.47 post
    loquacious... What an excellent word. Sounds important, heaps of fun to say, we can all use it to describe someone we know and worth 21 points in scrabble… This word just keeps giving.

    Commenter
    Cwitty
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 8:01AM
    • Cwitty, is it possible to make a comment on an issue of substance.

      Perhaps, as a spokesman of the party that is expected to be the Government in a month, you could explain where they are going to find $30 billion in savings (on independent estimates). Perhaps you could even tell us what they are hiding.

      Or perhaps you think the public is happy to be bought off by the cover of a 50 page book of Fairy Tales.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:05AM
    • Loquacious - perfect adjective to describe Rudd's ramblings.

      I can see all the Labor supporters reaching for the Webster's

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:13AM
    • @ WW "Does this guy ever shut up?"
      Verbosity is an issue of substance at this election just like the last election. Mr Rudd (even today) tends to make his points with brevity inspired by Mr Oakshott. Who took 17 minutes of loquaciousness in 2010 when he could have used a three word slogan. "I'm with stupid".

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:23AM
    • Cwitty, Abbott got that from a focus group. It was so fake, like everything else that Abbott says (except when he is under pressure and his minders can't rescue him in time).

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:46AM
    • Another excellent word that perfectly describes Kevvy and his cronies - "circumlocution". NOT to be confused with a separate, similar word with a completely different meaning...

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:43AM
    • Tim, I've got a great word to describe Tony Abbott (and you don't even need an American dictionary to define it):

      Liar

      And he has admitted it himself.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 12:03PM
  • Sydney to Melbourne 17th Sept, Train $130.26....Jetstar $68. Will Kevin and Albos fast train be cheaper?

    Commenter
    Isenz
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 8:01AM
    • Isenz - What is the cost of a taxi to get from the airport to the CBD of you destination plus parking at or taxi to your point of origin?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:10AM
    • Hey Macca,
      I won't need to get a taxi or anything to the train? Seeing as where the stop would be in Canberra it would cost me at least $50 in a taxi, and that's at the moment.

      Commenter
      Jitterry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:00AM
    • Jittery - Not Canberra is a different situation to Melb & Sydney now isn't it.

      In the major capitals you will be able to get a train straight into the CBD and you would also be able to get to where the train departs by train, the taxi/parking costs would therefore be lower.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:20AM
    • Did not work in Brisbane. If there is more than 1 person it is cheaper to take a taxi into the CBD than ride the AirLink from the airport ( international or domestic) to either Central or Roma St Station and you don't have to struggle with luggage either!!

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:43AM
  • Never in the history of Australian politics have we been so well informed during an election. We know Abbott is lying to us. We know Rudd is lying to us. We understand the most important political issue is climate change, though some of us do not wish to admit the fact. Nevertheless they cannot argue that the economy isn’t controlled by the climate and the necessary conclusion must follow this basic logic.

    However, extremist deniers persist to ignore scientific conclusions that 97% of studies on climate change in the last 20 years all agree that global warming is caused by humans. They also ignore all the major science academies in the developed world including the findings of our own CSIRO. Even those who should know better like Katter's Australia Party and Palmer United Party – have also chosen to put debunked fringe ideas above sound science in line with Coalition climate change inaction.

    Pauline Hanson writes: "Carbon dioxide is Nature's invisible, tasteless, odourless trace gas essential to all life on Earth." Queensland, liberal state party members voted last year in favour of a motion to ban the teaching of climate science in schools. Nevertheless those who read the science and want meaningful climate change action will not be placated by ignorant political deniers. Neither are we sucked in by Abbott and Rudd.

    Not since the so called Jesus introduced his scam eventuating a Christian God has any nation been so easily duped as Australia. Ignorant climate change deniers acting with malevolence against a tax on carbon emitters fed by nonsense financed by by owners of coal, oil and gas resources. In spite of government scientists having no reason than to tell the truth about the horrendous consequences on the atmosphere that sustains us all idiocy has won this election.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 7:53AM
    • Pen, you need to get over it.

      We are all too worried about the dollar 'debt' we will leave our grandchildren to worry about the complete global dislocation caused by the impact of changing weather patterns which, historically have led to wars and revolution as the global availability of resources change.

      There are not many people with a real sense of history and what it tells us about how the future might be.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:20AM
    • Whyalla Wipeout

      The dollar debt is a worry, but it will not ravage the lives of children and grandchildren will it? It is money that is all. Will the Coalition still buy 100 F35 fighter planes at $135 million each?

      Are these more important than oue future well being. Why are you so flippant about climate change? No don't tell me, you actually belief in the hogwash put in place by deniers, or do you?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:44AM
    • Pen,
      your undeniable devotion to your cause is admirable. You are wasted here in Australia (1.4% of world emissions) and would be better suited to take up your cause with the BRIC nations and possibly the US. It's a tough sell telling the developing nations to take a breather on growth which is hauling them out of poverty so that you can feel better about the air you breath. I think you are up for the task, good luck and we'll leave the kettle on the boil for you

      Commenter
      The taxpayer
      Location
      here and there
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:57AM
    • No Pen, I was being totally sarcastic about the obsession with Government debt that the Liberals have generated.

      Rudd was right the first time, although he has squibbed it since. Dealing with climate change is the greatest moral challenge of our lifetime. The scientific evidence since 2007 has made it even more pressing.

      Ironically, it is the Chinese government, with the very long view of history, who understand the implications best and are doing the most to address the problems within a genuinely scary challenge of managing the expectations of a society moving at a juggernaut rate from poverty to expectations of the benefits of being middle class.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:57AM
    • Very well said Pen, they don't give a toss. It's all about election cycles.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:28AM
  • Good to see Mumbles cosying up to all the fisherfolk. Might make it a bit easier for him & Admiral Bumbles to sell them some cheap Indonesian boats.
    Good to see he thinks fishing is an integral part of our way of life. Does that mean he thinks 12 years of Governments spending huge amounts to fight against native fishing rights (and losing) was wrong?

    Commenter
    David D
    Location
    Ettalong Beach
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 7:53AM
  • Question of Clarification: When Kevin Rudd made some changes about being unable to remove a Labor leader. Was that only when they were in Government and doesn't apply to when they are in Opposition?

    Commenter
    Sarah of Carnegie
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 7:51AM
    • He said that there will need to be a 75% agreement in the party to remove a leader, that means in government or opposition. The LIBS ought to introduce such ethical standards int heir caucus.

      Commenter
      Believer
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 10:23AM
  • Abbott now reminds me of Joh.

    How will you pay for your promises?
    Don't you worry about that.

    How will you stop the boats?
    Don't you worry about that.

    What are you hiding?
    Labor, blah, Rudd, blah, knives, blah, waste, blah.

    There are going to be a great many people who will regret voting Liberal. The good news is that they will vote Labor next time. Especially, if the Liberals cannot find a way to explain knifing their own elected Prime Minister (which they will do).

    Commenter
    Whyalla Wipeout
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 7:48AM
    • Will they do it twice??

      Commenter
      Cwitty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 7:53AM
    • Probably not. They will use the old - but Labor did it twice.

      Personally, I think they are stuck with a man who is fundamentally unsuited to be Prime Minister of Australia. As we all will be.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:08AM
    • knifing? Did you just say knifing?

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:10AM
    • What a cutting comment Lewis.

      Or is that just a stab at distraction from the Liberal's $30 black hole which will require them to slash benefits and services from the poorest people in the community?

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:25AM
    • They won't slash to make up the shortfall they will simply raise taxes like the last Coalition government did.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:43AM
    • Alright Whyalla :)...

      I personally do not think they will slash too much (pity). I think they will pay for it exactly like Labor does. With more debt. Abbott abandoning the committment to return to surplus gives this away.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:57AM
    • Lewis, you may well be right about Abbott. He is old-fashioned DLP at heart.

      Which is why I think that the Liberal economics types, as exemplified by the IPA, will be itching to move him on or roll him so that they can get one of their own (Andrew Robb?) calling the economic shots.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:16AM
  • I watched Q&A last night and witnessed Shorten starting to unravel in front of us.
    He would not answer questions, instead launched into a spiel that every union hack in the country has learnt off by heart.
    The pommy MP they wheeled in was a waste of time, the ALP really must think we are all stupid. Meanwhile Shorten and the Pom gave Murdoch a $million of free advertising.
    It looked like J.Fraser and Steeden had written the script.

    Commenter
    thepres
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 7:47AM
    • How could you have been watching Q&A last night? Aren't you one of the Liberal lackeys who claim that Q&A is only watched by people on the Left (which is why Abbott is too gutless to turn up).

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 7:59AM
    • You must have been watching a different Q&A than I watched cos I thought Shorten was excellent. And the anti -Murdoch campaigner was terrific. The conservative commentators were embarrassing and unable to answer the simplest of questions.

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:01AM
    • I am not a fan of Shorten, but he handled himself well last night.

      Commenter
      John
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:03AM
    • Yes, Shorten was excellent. I thought he had the right balance of Labor spruiking and answering questions objectively and fairly. His nuanced performance made Kelly O'Dwyer look shrill! Not hard I admit.

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:24AM
    • Shorten looked defeated.

      He knows within himself the party's over for Labor.

      It's just a question of by how many seats.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:30AM
    • I was ashamed last night of Kelly O'Dwyer and her constant vilification of Rudd. It took up so much time she could not answer the question asked. She presented badly on policy.

      I thought Shorten did well in a difficult environment. They weren't short and sharp slogan answers like the typical Liberal response, but his answers were worth listening to.

      It seems to me that any sound bite longer than a slogan is anathema to the Liberals. Whenever Labor gives an explanation that requires the audience, the Liberals lean in with a distraction.

      That is why Abbott used his "Doesn't he ever shut up", tactic which he has used before with Julia Gillard.

      So, the Liberals may win this election with the aid of character vilification and distraction away from anything that is critical of their policies.

      What a terrible incitement for AustrLia.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:02AM
    • Tired of Spin, I'm convinced O'Dywer is an indentured apprentice to Mirabella, who in turn is indentured to Bishop.
      What nasty, nasty women.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:43AM
    • TiredofSpin, what I noticed about Kelly O'Dwyer was the appallingly smug look on her face when she thought she had won a point. Like she never grew out of her high school debating team. To think that she is the future of the Liberal party. GAHHHH!

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 10:07AM
    • Not "incitement", " inditement "

      I think this autospell will be death of me!!

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 10:09AM
    • To anyone who votes in Higgins, look at what you are voting for in Kelly O'Dwyer. A smug, nasty bully who is indeed Sophie Mirabella MKII. Why did this woman not answer the question? All she did was talk in very nasty terms about Rudd. I loved it when Tom Watson looked at her and asked: "How would you feel if you saw Mr Abbott's face superimposed on a Nazi uniform on the cover of the newspaper" - The look on her face was gold.

      Commenter
      Grandpa
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:44AM
  • "By 2023-24, the annual defence budget would be $50 billion for the year to meet the 2 per cent of GDP goal, he said, compared to $24 billion currently."

    You have to ask yourself "Why do we need to spend $50b a year on defence?"

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 7:47AM
    • Macca, your comments regarding the defence budget doubling to $50B by 2023/24 are scaremongering t say the least.

      In RGR's May13 budget, alone, Labor has advocated moving the defence budget to $30.78B by 2016/17.

      That's an annualised increase of 5.4%, or upwards of 3% in "real" terms, assuming continuing benign inflation at 2.5%, throughout the forward estimates period.

      What Tony Abbott is advocating is returning the defence budget back to where it should be according to the published defence White Papers.

      In any event, to get to his stated position of $50B by 2023/24 implies an annualised increase of 6.5%, or 4% in "real" terms assuming an undelyng 2.5% inflation rate throughout.

      Effectively, this commitment actually gets us the replacement fighters which RGR has been stalling on since 2009, as well as progressively refreshing ou naval fleet and making the fleet more adaptable to our sphere of influence (ie: an island nation surrounded by the sea, etc).

      So far from rattling the sabre, Tony Abbott's pledge is for confidence to be returned to the depth, quality and resourcefulness of our defence forces, to meet any type of challenge whether strategic, security, disaster, welfare, peace-keeping, or relief based.

      Then again, we can stay with Labor and commit to RGR bringing back the Tiger Moths into active service beyond 2017, and digging up the Mirage fighters from out beyond the sand dunes of Woomera!!

      May be, we could also refloat the Cerebus, and defend the Heads?

      The real difference therefore is between a planned 5.4% annualised growth, according to Lor, vsa 6.5% rate of growth being advocated by Tony Abbott, and without the distractions of Labor then digging up Garden Island.

      Commenter
      Grant
      Location
      Mitcham
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:45AM
    • Grant - It isn't scaremongering, it is just asking a question why when we are supposed to be in a "budget crisis" do we need to spend $50b a year on defence? Shouldn't we be determining dfence spending on needs rather than a percentage of GDP?
      The 2% figure is just what the US wants us to spend, largely because the bulk of the $50b would go to US companies.
      And before you criticise the ALP on defence spending who was responsible for the Seasprite helicopter, on the Collins Class submarines, or the Joint Strike fighter contract?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:25AM
  • Relocating the naval base north may make strategic sense but not to Brisbane's shallow port. That's just an election pitch to the marginal seats around Brisbane which will never eventuate anyway.

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 7:45AM
    • Poor choice leaving you no existing fall-back position in Sydney in the event of conflict. More hasty short-sighted Policy. We should expect that to be the case by now.

      Commenter
      PDJ
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:13AM
    • Lewis, are you talking about Brisbane's old port or new port at Fisherman's island? We have huge tankers and other commercial ships come in here.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:32AM
  • I am holding my breath, something telling me KRudd will win.Abbott never a popular
    Leader even the Liberals knows it.
    Swingings voters are so fickle.

    Commenter
    Lindsay
    Location
    Wollstoncraft
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 7:44AM
    • You mean Labour will win...not KRudd and his own seat.

      Commenter
      P
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 10:16AM
    • God willing,
      And to Liberal voters: Abbott willing.

      Commenter
      Believer
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 10:25AM
    • Lindsay, Holding your breath is a great idea e if you can do it for 20 minutes.

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 1:36PM
  • Asking gambling industry to run problem gambling programs is like asking tobacoo companies to run quit programs or alcohol companies to run AA. They can't be serious here.

    Commenter
    Jitterry
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 7:40AM
    • Hear, hear!!

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:51AM
    • Standard operating procedure for the Coalition. All about money and not people. Maybe this will help get that across... surprised the Libs let this leak out before the election, the clubs lobby was already in their pocket anyway

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:28AM
    • Or are the Libs in the pocket of the gambling lobby?

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 10:10AM
  • C'mon, we all know the result of the election is as definite as the date - only the size of the majority is still unknown.

    Thus, time for some creative thinking about what an Abbott government can do to improve our polity. I nominate Kevin Rudd [inevitably resigning from Parliament before the first sitting day] be appointed as the chef de mission at the U.N. where his programmatic specificity can wow the French and Russians.
    Anyone else?

    Commenter
    BalmainBoy
    Location
    Castle Hill NSW
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 7:40AM
    • If Kevin is as chaotic in the UN as he has been in Labor.......WW III here we come.

      Commenter
      Isenz
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:06AM
  • Chaotic is cause by Abbott and cohorts relentless Attack and scaremongering day in and out. Is ugly politics.

    Commenter
    Wendyv
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 7:38AM
    • Yes, I agree and the Liberal women are becoming the worst.

      Most of them have a law background but it seems they are best at using primary school tactics - attack, denigrate, discredit and wipe out the opposition.

      It is nothing more than bullying, but of the kind that hurts people seriously. It also harms reputations as mud sticks.

      We are trying to teach our adolescents, especially teenage girls, not to bully face to face. Or on Facebook and Twitter or by SMS. We have seen the harm it causes - suicide, mentall illness and loss of potential.

      So here we have potential female leaders, Sophie Mirabella, Kelly O'Dwyer and Julie Bishop vilifying Kevin Rudd to television audiences.

      Ladies, there is no end that justifies the means. Vilification and characterisation is not an honourable way to win an election.

      The adolescents of Australia are vulnerable. You are terrible role models. You have so little understanding of the flow on impacts of your nasty behaviour.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:45AM
  • Tony Abbott's compensation for victims of terrorism overseas, was later clarified as only victims of terrorism "targeted as Australians/westerners" in significant events determined by the LNP would be payed compensation. So if you get caught in any other type of terrorism overseas, Bad Luck.

    Commenter
    Tim
    Location
    InnerCity
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 7:33AM
    • That definition pretty much covers all types of terrorism overseas where Australians are caught up - You may be referring to Australians' going over to fight in Syria or getting caught up in war zones and after being injured, can claim compensation from the govt.

      Not sure many people would support you on that.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:05AM
    • Tim from Altona, tourists can get caught up in aggressive acts between local rival political/religious groups. They might be sitting in a bus that is used by the local people, which ends up being blown up. Doesn't the Philippines have this issue??

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:31AM
    • @Tim of Altona, I know it's hard for you to except but that's what Abbott said in the press conference. Only victims of the Bali, Jakarta, 911 and Mumbai bombings, no one else unless it is specifically targeted towards Australians.

      Commenter
      Tim
      Location
      InnerCity
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:55AM
    • Tim, Abbott is doing this so his best mate who has been looked after by our government in terms of his healthcare and rehabilitation can claim a further $75000 from the government. After he gets his cash, I am sure you will see his name in a class action suit against the government of Indonesia.

      Commenter
      Believer
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:28AM
  • Kevin Rudd is so desperate to fake his popularity that he needs to bring in fake shoppers, fake bowlers, fake battling mothers, fake supporters and now even fake parents - the episode at the child care centre yesterday was embarrassing - the children did not even attend the centre and the parents said they had been asked by an ALP friend to front up - Kevin13 - the old way

    Commenter
    Baltic13
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 7:30AM
    • Oh well it all ties in nicely to Rudd's "fake" label.

      Commenter
      Troy
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 7:36AM
    • Tony Abbott said yesterday that he was partially responsible for raising the life expectancy of Australians by "3 years" when he was the health minister under Howard and that he was happy to take credit for it.
      How big is Tony's head?

      Commenter
      Tim
      Location
      InnerCity
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 7:40AM
    • Not as big as Rudd's, Tim.

      Commenter
      George
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 7:54AM
    • Tim - what has your comment to do about fake Kevin. If you can dispute my comment -please explain what is incorrect - you are quick to turn this around to Tony Abbott's fault

      Commenter
      Baltic13
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 7:59AM
    • My god, Baltic, a Liberal Lackey complaining about someone changing the subject. Quick, look over there and say something nasty about Rudd.

      By the way, Baltic, how are the Liberals going to pay for their $30 billion shortfall (by independent estimates)?

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:15AM
    • Wyhalla Wipeout - just reporting what are the facts - if you can prove what I have said is wrong - please enlighten me

      Commenter
      Baltic13
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:25AM
    • Baltic, you are so much tony Abbott's lackey that a one on one with the Dalai Lama could not enlighten you.

      As for your 'facts', they are as factual as Abbott's promises of pie in the sky baked by mother and all included in a 50 page colour booklet of nothings.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:49AM
    • Abbott also brings in his own people during his press conferences. The time he tried to politicize the Pink Batts death - where was he? at a lucrative LIB supporter's factory where the guy was crying poor. With his hare-brain $75000 compensation scheme for overseas victims of terrorism, who was there? His best mate who needs Tony to give him more money. Tony kissing babies? It's the babies of his candidates (who still looked terrified of him), so mate, be fair.

      Commenter
      Fair
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:17AM
  • Q & A was interesting last night. Bill Shorten reminded us that when we go to vote we should remember Labor's record on Education and the Disability Insurance scheme. How about we also remember 6 years of chaotic government also. Of incredible careless expenditure, poorly thought through policy, a level of internal bickering within the party, factions & unions. A time of one deposed prime minister and now another. Regarding PPL it was obvious that Mr Shorten had difficulty trying to come up with an answer for the inequity of the public service and private sector with their scheme hence the question was asked twice. Bring on the 7th it's time for Australia to decide. Workchoices, workchoices, cut. cut, 70 Billion how about 170 Billion or rather 300 Billion? get real !

    Commenter
    Optimist
    Location
    After the 7th September !
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 7:15AM
    • The "how inequitable - look at the public sector" myth is getting a real run with the conservatives. The public sector is an employer like any other - they need to offer a value proposition to attract and retain staff, and where many private companies can offer bonus payments across a wide range of roles, the PS cannot, so they find other ways - paid leave is one, but as a business-operation cost like it would be for any private company offering the same. It's not simply cash-splash welfare largesse. But then - like most Abbott faithful - you probably begrudge public sector workers actually existing.

      Commenter
      BC
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 7:28AM
    • Hang on. Didn't they knife the PM who started to bring in education funding reform & national disability insurance? Wasn't Shorten the one with the most blood on his hands?

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 7:32AM
    • Feel better now?
      Happy you got all your endlessly recycled facpinions out on display?
      Go on, you can relax, make a cuppa and reminisce about the good old days now.

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 7:39AM
    • Gee Lewis, it's funny that whenever anyone starts asking how the Liberals are going to pay for their promises, some lackey starts squealing about knives and blood etc. Clearly a closet fetishist.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 7:44AM
    • BC completely wrong don't begrudge public sector workers at all. Now once I worked in an Attorney generals Dept and was advised to always keep a file open in front of me . To look busy so to speak. This really went against the grain with me for I believe that all should put in for them what constitutes a good days work Public sector or private. An honest days work that is fair and responsible. Labor needs to stop Gilding the Lily, ornamenting and over embellishing their arguments at every opportunity and fear-mongering constantly workcoices, cut, 70 Billion etc, etc.

      Commenter
      Opto
      Location
      Hi
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 7:44AM
    • Wasn't Education and the Disability Scheme stuff that Shorten worked on with Gillard. I think he is positioning himself for a shot at the Leader of the Labor party come September 8. Providing they can get rid of Kevin Rudd.

      Commenter
      Sarah of Carnegie
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 7:46AM
    • Perpetuating another myth, Opto. Perhaps when you worked there they were clock-watchers (how long ago was that exactly?) but I can assure you I know many many PS workers (and I work in the private sector) who put in as many or more hours than private sector workers without the earning capacity, and without the old handcuffs of things like defined-benefit super. There's no such thing as a 35 hour week anymore, and your stereotyping is either inadvertently or delibeartely ignorant.

      Commenter
      BC
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:04AM
    • Gee Whyalla, I was replying to Optimist's post. I completely missed the questions on paying for promises. Where was that?

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:06AM
    • Lewis, you weren't replying to Opto's post as much as playing Curley to his Moe.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:16AM
    • Don't give in to your hatred, Whyalla. That path leads to the dark side.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:26AM
    • When I vote I will be thinking of Eddie Obeid, Craig Thomson and Union slush funds

      Commenter
      The taxpayer
      Location
      here and there
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:48AM
    • "That path leads to the dark side."

      Lewis, you are wrong, The path that leads to hatred is the paving from Abbott's letterbox to his front door.

      But more seriously, what can you say about a guy who makes a big deal about every death of an asylum seeker - only to slam Labor though - but was so keen that Labor would not find a solution while it was in Government that it opposed even giving the Malaysian people swap a chance on so-called humanitarian grounds.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:52AM
    • taxpayer, when I vote I will be thinking of former captain of industry, John Gay, and his insider trading conviction.

      Although, from the press reporting, rogue capitalists do not reflect on the Liberal Party the way rogue unionists are used to beat up the Labor Party.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:10AM
    • Why focus on the Public Service.

      There are lots of big companies out there, including law firms who offer very good PPL packages.

      And of course, an employee held in good esteem could negotiate her own PPL package in private industry.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:23AM
    • Bill Shorten was doing well for some 80% of the night. He was stumped but not because Abbott's PPL Scheme is great but because he seemed to have hit a blank. The Scheme is unfair as it is asking our retirees, who have worked hard all their lives to support another person's baby to the tune of up to $75 000. This is hard as they do not earn that much money themselves. It is also unfair because it is making a situation whereby the government is looking after children of richer women much more than it looks after children of poorer women. On top of that, the women are to be paid superannuation, which at 10% of income could end up with a final figure of up to $90 000 of government benefits for a baby. When you consider that our pensioners are living on less than $19000 a year, how can you say this is fair?

      Commenter
      Believer
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 11:25AM
  • Here is some interesting reading for those of you planning to vote liberal.
    http://theconversation.com/factcheck-labors-if-abbott-wins-you-lose-attack-ad-17262

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    August 27, 2013, 7:13AM
    • Which is pretty much everyone

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 7:57AM
    • 47-53 isn't "pretty much everyone" Tim.

      And did you read the article?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:12AM
    • I read it Macca but didn't see anything new or interesting. Maybe that's because I'm not planning to vote Liberal ;)

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:20AM
    • Lewis - Your opinion is invalid because you don't vote.
      But if you also clearly aren't a ow income earner or have school aged children,

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 8:35AM
    • Macca75, I have spoken to Centerlink and you don't have to get a job if you don't want to.

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Date and time
      August 27, 2013, 9:43AM
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