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Election wrap: August 7, 2013

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The end of day three and where are we?

  • the Coalition announced it would cut the company tax rate if it came into government although it was hazy on the details of exactly how it would be funded;
  • Labor tried to accuse the Coalition of having a secret campaign to put the GST on food (which the Coalition denies);
  • Kevin Rudd was completely upstaged by four year old Joseph Kim at a campaign event in Sydney;
  • the High Court dismissed a challenge to the mining tax by mining magnate Andrew Forrest; and
  • there may be a debate between Kevin Rudd and Tony Abbott on Sunday night (maybe).

Thanks so much to everyone who read, commented and participated in our coverage today.

Many snaps to Alex Ellinghausen and Andrew Meares for their magical work. Alex, Andrew and I will be back in the morning.

See you then.

Ah the beauty of talkback radio.

One listener wants to know why Mr Bowen is now treasurer when Wayne Swan was the "superman of treasurers".

Probably fair to say the gentleman caller might not be a Labor supporter since he then wants to know why the government "has done nothing for business".

 

"I'm trying to help here," Mr Hockey protests.

"Oh really? You're from the opposition and you're here to help?," Mr Bowen chuckles in a reference to one of Mr Rudd's favourite lines.

At the moment Treasurer Chris Bowen is debating the man who wants his job, Joe Hockey, on ABC Radio.

Mr Hockey is avoiding saying whether he would "back or sack" the head of Treasury, Martin Parkinson, because he doesn't assume he'll become treasurer - and then gone on to bag Treasury's performance.

Mr Bowen is defending the government's more cautious economic tack of late and denying that it is more of a political - rather than a fiscal - strategy.

(There's not a lot of actual answers to questions being given, you'll be stunned to hear.)

Here's my daily reminder (please don't see it as nagging) about enrolling to vote or changing your details if you need to do so.

The rolls close at 8pm on Monday night (August 12).

Please visit the Australian Electoral Commission website for more information.

Groan. Won't someone stop the debate (about the debate)?

I love debates, I think there should be more of them but I hate the way politicians cannot agree to any other format other than the one they proposed. I have small children. I know what it looks like when someone won't play a game just because someone else wants to use a blue ball.

Earlier today Kevin Rudd posted on his Facebook page: "Why won't Tony Abbott accept a debate with me and the 11 million Australians on Facebook participating?"

Mr Abbott replied via Facebook: "I look forward to debating Kevin Rudd this Sunday at the National Press Club including taking questions from social media from people across Australia."

(It's the modern day version of asking your sister to pass the tomato sauce because it's in front of your father who you are not speaking to because he wouldn't let you have a belly button ring.)

The official line is that negotiations should be resolved "soon", according to a spokesman for Mr Rudd.

 

At 12.30pm today Fairfax Media hosted an internet question and answer session with senate aspirant Julian Assange.

If you were otherwise engaged allow me to point you in the direction of a story that reporter Dan Harrison has written based on Mr Assange's answers.

Mr Assange said he did not see the role of being a senator as "substantially different" from his work with WikiLeaks because the Senate needed "people who specialise in exposing lies and exposing secret deals".

"Far from being in competition, my work with WikiLeaks gives me an extra ability to perform that role as an Australian senator," he said.

I must apologise to my young political photobomber, Joseph. His surname is Kim, not Lee, as previously reported.

Stories, videos and captions will be updated but I'd like to apologise on behalf of all his fans.

The boy of the day is Joseph Kim, not Joseph Lee. But it's still #voteonejoseph as far as I'm concerned.

Earlier today the Greens immigration spokeswoman Sarah Hanson-Young launched a new campaign - "Not in my name, not with my vote" - imploring people to vote against the major parties' because of their policies on asylum seekers.

You may like to watch it after reading Immigration Minister Tony Burke's comments that asylum seekers have begun to demand their money back from people smugglers (he managed to stop short of claiming credit for stopping the boats).

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Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young explains a new popular campaign "Not in my name, not with my vote" against the major parties' asylum seeker policies.

Not only is he a photographer and one of my two trusted co-pilots but Andrew Meares also shoots videos.

Andrew will be making semi-regular campaign videos about life on the road (he's travelling with Kevin Rudd for the duration). Here is his first (if you don't already you can follow him on Twitter and Instagram @mearesy).

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Day 3: Mearesy's moments

Kids in the picture in marginal electorate of Greenway. Highlights from the campaign trail from Fairfax photojournalist Andrew Meares.

Opinion polls - can't live with them, can't live without them, the ultimate political selfie and all that.

We all know the only poll that counts is the one on election day, as politicians remind us every time they see a poll that's bad for them.

The Age's economics editor, Tim Colebatch, has aggregated the polls that have come out since Kevin Rudd regained the prime ministership in late June. It shows that Mr Rudd is back where he started. Yes, there was an initial swing towards him but support has swung back. Which might explain why the election was called.

 

Was it only Sunday the election was called?

You might remember there was a bit of interest (from myself included) in Kevin Rudd's plea for donations in his press conference. Both Labor and the Coalition put out emails that afternoon asking for financial support - a very American approach to fundraising.

In this exclusive story Royce Millar and Ben Schneiders report on a former Labor fundraiser, Richard Vines, who says voters are being kept in the dark about the schmoozing that takes places between politicians and business in the lead up to the campaign.

Bear in mind that political donations and contributions are made public once a year - in February - by the Australian Electoral Commission. We will see then who gave what to whom in the 2012/13 financial year. But we will have to wait until February 2015 for any donations/contributions made from July 1 this year.

Show me the money!

Okay, enough of this cute-kid-baby-kissing-political-tomfoolery. It makes me think all the mainstream media cares about is political frippery rather than serious policy.

This morning was dominated by the Coalition's announcement that it would reduce the company tax rate should it come to office. It wouldn't be a tax cut for the biggest 3200 companies because - at some point - they would have to pay the 1.5 per cent levy to cover the cost of the Coalition's paid parental leave scheme but moving right along.....

Labor hit back by accusing the Coalition of having a secret plan to extend the GST on food (which the Coalition has consistently denied).

Coalition MP Josh Frydenberg and Labor MP Laura Smyth debate these issues along with some expert economic analysis from The Age's economics correspondent, Peter Martin, thrown in for good measure in this video.

 

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Company tax trade-off

The Coalition has announced plans to shave 1.5 per cent off the company tax rate, which Kevin Rudd says is code for a GST hike on food.

Our reporters travelling with the leaders have been told that's it for today.

Clearly Mr Rudd was sick and tired of Joseph Lee stealing the limelight while Mr Abbott was sick and tired of babies rejecting his campaign kisses.

 

Mind you, the baby in question is actually the daughter of the Coalition candidate whose office Mr Abbott was opening.

She could possibly best be described as a reluctant draftee (the baby, not the candidate).

Opposition leader Tony Abbott speaks with Carmen Garcia and her daughter Ashlee Golding at the opening of Ms Garcia's  campaign office in Adelaide on Wednesday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott speaks with Carmen Garcia and her daughter Ashlee Golding at the opening of Ms Garcia's campaign office in Adelaide on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

I believe this is technically called baby pushing.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott meets Ashlee Golding at the opening of the campaign office of her mother, Carmen Garcia, in Adelaide on Wednesday.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott meets Ashlee Golding at the opening of the campaign office of her mother, Carmen Garcia, in Adelaide on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

I heart Joseph Lee. Seriously, if this is the highlight of the campaign it will have been a good one.

The Age's national affairs editor, Tony Wright, has profiled this unlikely political interloper.

Meet Joseph Lee. He's four. Kevin Rudd described him as "an active participant" in this morning's campaign event (see posts at 10.49am, 10.51am and 12.29pm).

Come on Mr Rudd, call a spade a spade. Joseph completely stole the show. A political star of the future, for sure.

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The Prime Minister may be used to hecklers but Kevin Rudd had to deal with a youthful challenger at a church in Sydney on Wednesday morning.

The media plane for Opposition leader Tony Abbott prepares to depart Canberra on Tuesday night.

The media plane for Opposition leader Tony Abbott prepares to depart Canberra on Tuesday night. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

But why are RAAF aircraft being used as a glorified air limousine service for journalists? Surely they should be doing something a bit more useful.

Breaking news reporter Judith Ireland asked the RAAF which directed her to this statement.

In a nutshell there are five special purpose aircraft that are operated by the RAAF. Once the caretaker period begins - as it has - the aircraft can be used by either the government or the opposition. This includes people designated as "entitled persons" who may be accompanied by "non entitled people" (which includes the media).

Judith has asked both the major parties' campaign headquarters for a response. The Coalition replied saying it was the government's job to organise campaign transport. But Labor has not replied (Judith asked nearly four hours ago). But never fear taxpayers - the bill for travel costs for the media will come back to us.

It's a rare communications' situation when Defence gets back to a journalist faster than the party trying to remain in government.

There is no doubt that following the leaders around on the campaign is great fun (if you like that kind of thing). Tiring but fun. You start the day at 4am, jump on a plane without being told where you are going except that you might want to take a jumper and arrive in Devonport for breakfast. You wouldn't want to do it forever but it's a great experience.

At the moment the private planes normally hired for the media have not arrived. Catching commercial flights doesn't really work because there is too much wasted time in the schedule.

This was unglamourous transportation option that greeted Tony Abbott's media contingent when they arrived on the tarmac in Canberra last night.

Media travelling with Coalition leader Tony Abbott waiting to board the C17 plane on Tuesday night.

Media travelling with Coalition leader Tony Abbott waiting to board the C17 plane on Tuesday night. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Oh Clive - where would we be without you? The Palmer United Party wants to be all things to all people. Pensioners for one. It has promised them an $150 a fortnight should it, cough, form government.

But the funding for this and all other policies will not be announced until August 25. Can you wait? No? Enjoy some Clive action here.

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Clive Palmer announces plans to raise the pension by $150 per fortnight but says funding details and other policies will be announced on August 25.

So the cost of living - what's up with that? Both sides are zeroing in on it as a key campaign issue - as they always do.

Today's Fairfax Media/Politifact Fact Checker looks at the claims made by both Kevin Rudd and Tony Abbott.

Here's what they found.

Oh I can't resist. I love this kid. Someone tell Labor candidate Jason Yat-Sen Li (whose campaign event this young chap is happily hijacking) to sign him up.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd visiting Korean English lessons at Ryde Uniting Church in the Sydney seat  of Bennelong on Wednesday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd visiting Korean English lessons at Ryde Uniting Church in the Sydney seat of Bennelong on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Sometimes the inanity of the debris flying around the campaign can be too much for a reporter to ignore.

Take this item from Sportsbet which is taking bets on the number of times Kevin Rudd might flick his fringe should the debate with Tony Abbott ever actually happen. (Yes, it is actually doing this.) At the moment 10 hair flicks is the popular choice.

Why is this an issue? Probably because Mr Rudd does have a habit of flicking his hair and it has been picked up in this Young Liberals' video which is doing well on social media.

(In my defence I think it's great the blokes have to cop this kinds of appearance-focused attention for once. Shoe on the other foot and all that.)

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A Young Liberals ad on Rudd's Monday fringe dilemma has been earning social media stripes. Is this the shape of things to come on YouTube throughout the campaign?

At 12.30pm aspirant senator Julian Assange will be joining us for a live internet debate in the first Fairfax Media/Google hang out of the campaign.

You can find the link to the article and the video of the event here. It is also open for comment should you feel the need to weigh in.

 

Jacqueline Maley is travelling with Mr Abbott.

Jacqueline notes the calorie conscious Mr Abbott was careful only to pose with but not drink the offerings of the Bickford's drink factory. (Note that his staff are careful to keep a baseball cap on hand so Mr Abbott can cover his head when required without having to wear a hair net. Not a good look for anyone.)

She has also ascertained that the woman who was sort-of-kind-of kissed by Mr Abbott (see posts 10.10am, 10.11am and 10.12am) is a very, very big Coalition and Tony Abbott fan. Her name is Evie Whittaker and she works at Bickford's, as do her uncle, mother and grandfather.

"Interestingly, former immigration minister Philip Ruddock is with Mr Abbott for the whole campaign," Jacqueline emailed in to say. "He is a quiet consigliere type presence on the sidelines and dodges all cameras. But I can confirm he looked quite sweet in a hair net."

Mr Ruddock is, presumably, playing a similar role to the one Labor Senator John Faulkner played when he travelled with Kevin Rudd throughout the 2007 campaign.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott inspects the Bickford's drinks factory in Adelaide on Wednesday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott inspects the Bickford's drinks factory in Adelaide on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

I don't normally direct you to articles published earlier in the week but you might need this one to get the Hockeynomics reference in 's cartoon.

 

Could they not just have a duel? Or meet behind the bike shed during little lunch?

 

Could we be closer to sorting out the debate situation?

Sunday night looks like it could be a goer.

A High Court challenge by Andrew "Twiggy" Forrest via his Fortescue Metals company to the validity of the mining tax has been dismissed.

Fortescue Metals argued the tax was invalid for several reasons including that it cut across states' rights.

But the High Court has unanimously upheld the validity of the tax.

You can read the story here.

The super keen can find the High Court's judgement here.

 

Mr Abbott has finished his press conference by saying the Coalition has "no plans" to extend the GST to food.

I know people have said the GST comment made by Joe Hockey is not a "slip up', as I described it in the 9.58am post.

Let me explain what I mean. Mr Hockey's comments are a distraction for the Coalition. It had planned its morning around the company tax cut announcement - everyone on message about an issue that is key to it's narrative about economic management.

But Mr Hockey's comment gives Labor something else to talk about. Even though the Coalition has denied it Labor will continue to insist the Coalition has a plan to put the GST on food which forces the Coalition to deny it. And so it will go on for the day. 

It demonstrates why the parties try to enforce communications' discipline at all times. Any time not spent talking about the message you want to get across is wasted time.

 

Opposition leader Tony Abbott visits the Bickford's drinks factory in Adelaide on Wednesday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott visits the Bickford's drinks factory in Adelaide on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Someone sign this kid up to a talent agency.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd visiting Korean English lessons at Ryde Uniting Church in the Sydney seat of Bennelong on Wednesday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd visiting Korean English lessons at Ryde Uniting Church in the Sydney seat of Bennelong on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Meanwhile Kevin Rudd is being photo bombed by another immensely cute small person (it's not quite the kissing kids behind Barack Obama in that famous 2012 US election campaign shot but it's pretty good).

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd visiting Korean/English lessons at Ryde Uniting Church in the Sydney seat of Bennelong on Wednesday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd visiting Korean/English lessons at Ryde Uniting Church in the Sydney seat of Bennelong on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Former treasurer Wayne Swan is clearly watching this press conference:

 

 

Mr Abbott is being asked where the money to fund the company tax cut would come from.

It's in the kitty, he says.

"The tax reductions we have so far announced are more than funded by the sensible savings that were announced by us before the campaign commenced," Mr Abbott says.

He points to his budget reply speech and a speech he made to the National Press Club in January as containing $17 billion of savings which are "more than enough" to cover the company tax cut.

Treasury spokesman Joe Hockey jumps in to assure people "there will be further savings" announced during the campaign.

(Which is unusual for a campaign. Politicians normally like to announce they are spending money, not cutting it.)

There's a sense of bipartisan bonhomie in the air.

Mr Abbott quotes former prime minister Julia Gillard on the company tax cut (it's a good thing) and congratulates Kevin Rudd for giving $5 million to the Hummingbird Hospice in Brisbane (for very sick children).

Coalition leader Tony Abbott is beginning his press conference in Adelaide.

"Let me make is absolutely crystal clear to the Australian people - this election is not about me, it's not about Kevin Rudd, or any other member of Parliament, it's about you, the Australian people," Mr Abbott says.

Now he's talking about the Coalition's proposal to cut the company tax by 1.5 per cent.

"This is very, very good news for the workers of Australia, the businesses of Australia and the people of Australia," Mr Abbott says.

Awww - look at these gorgeous small people (let's ignore the fact they are being ruthlessly exploited for short term political gain). Shiny, happy people.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd visiting a Korean English lesson at the Ryde Uniting Church in the Sydney seat of Bennelong on Wednesday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd visiting a Korean English lesson at the Ryde Uniting Church in the Sydney seat of Bennelong on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Just in case you don't have time to read Jonathan Swan's story about Labor promising not to put the GST on food I now have some video of Kevin Rudd's comments on the matter.

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Rudd oath: I won't touch GST

At a school in Western Sydney, Kevin Rudd has attacked the Coalition over proposed changes to the GST, and pledged not to touch it under a renewed Labor government.

...but he'd already puckered up. Mum gets a kiss instead.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott during his visit to the Bickford's factory in Adelaide.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott during his visit to the Bickford's factory in Adelaide. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

....but Mum decides the baby is not in the mood....

Opposition leader Tony Abbott during his visit to the Bickford's factory in Adelaide on Wednesday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott during his visit to the Bickford's factory in Adelaide on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

You know that awkward moment when you greet someone thinking a kiss would be appropriate only to realise they would rather shake hands? Well, it appears even Coalition leader Tony Abbott has them.

Stay with me for this sequence of photos by Alex Ellinghausen.

He spies a baby.....

Opposition leader Tony Abbott during his visit to the Bickford's factory in Adelaide on Wednesday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott during his visit to the Bickford's factory in Adelaide on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

"Hold the front page - Albo likes a beer after work," Labor stalwart Anthony Albanese dryly declares after being snapped having a drink with former Labor MP Craig Thomson (he also referred to himself in the third person - one of my favourite crimes against the English language).

Now he's back on good fodder for Labor - whether or not the Coalition wants to extend the GST to cover food.

"The party of the GST wants to increase it and add food," Mr Albanese says.

Labor is loving this.

Breaking news reporter Jonathan Swan has the details of the Coalition slip up regarding the GST.

I'm thrilled to link to the first column by former Media Watch host Jonathan Holmes. Jonathan will write a weekly column for The Age during the campaign and a fortnightly one thereafter.

Today's offering is about - you can probably guess - a certain "grumpy old American Republican billionaire" and how much influence his Australian media stable has.

It's a doozy. And you can comment on it. You can read it here.

Personally I find colouring in quite therapeutic.

The Age's national affairs editor, Tony Wright, is travelling with Kevin Rudd who, it seems, also likes a bit of coloured pencil action along with an early morning basketball game.

Tony writes: The already familiar visit to a primary school in a marginal electorate - this one to St Anthony's in Greenway, a western Sydney seat held by Labor's Michelle Rowlands by 702 votes - was, in fact, an opportunity to clour in the oldest of campaign tactics: a tax scare.

Speaking at length about the cost of living, Mr Rudd morphed seamlessly into the claim that an Abbott government would try to increase the GST and maybe apply it to food.

He based this on a newspaper article in which Coalition treasury spokesman, Joe Hockey, conceded a tax review would include the GST as "part of the equation".

"I think this is a big, big development in this campaign," Mr Rudd said as he held up the article for all to see. It was a "massive issue for Australian families".

A Rudd government, he added, would not increase the level of the GST or its scope, he promised.

With that he was off to John Howard's old seat of Bennelong. A lot more colouring in awaits. It's only day three of the campaign.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd visited St Anthony's before school care in the Sydney  seat of Greenway on Wednesday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd visited St Anthony's before school care in the Sydney seat of Greenway on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

So what do you think about the Coalition's announcement? Do you think it will boost employment and economic growth?

You can have your say in our reader poll here.

Coalition leader Tony Abbott is in Adelaide where he is expected to make an announcement at about 10am formalising the story that was "dropped" to all the newspapers this morning (ie, the Coalition put out the bare bones of the story, got great coverage and dominated the morning news cycle).

It is about company tax and a promise to cut it by 1.5 per cent within two years of coming to office. This means company tax would be 28.5 cents in the dollar rather than 30 cents.

It is likely to cost $2.5 billion a year leading to questions of where the money will come from. That pertinent point will be raised with Mr Abbott when he fields questions about the policy but it obviously feeds into the campaign narrative of economic management.

Chief political correspondent Mark Kenny wrote the story for this morning's newspapers.

 

 

 

Babies everywhere beware. It is a very dangerous time for you to be anywhere near a politician.

 

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd visited St Anthony's before school care in the Sydney seat of Greenway on Wednesday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd visited St Anthony's before school care in the Sydney seat of Greenway on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

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  • So after 6 years and 50,000 illegal arrivals by boat Burke claims that would be boat people are now asking for their money back from the smugglers - your joking. ALP didn't know who the smugglers were up to today, didn't know who the boat people were and didn't have a clue about any related information but now the Immigration Ministers has direct contact for information with the smugglers and the boat people. How much more spin and lies can we expect over the next 31 days?

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    enough is enough
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    August 07, 2013, 3:08PM
  • Trouble is.....the company tax cut that Tonys offering is only going to benefit around 300,000 small businesses that are incorporated......Tony and Joe must have spent hours working that one out............how can we give a tax cut that benefits the smallest group possible, while making out it benefits everyone..!!

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    tut tut tony&joe
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    August 07, 2013, 3:05PM
  • Tony Abbott will stop the votes!

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    Turnbull fanboy
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    August 07, 2013, 2:56PM
  • company tax changes 30% +or- 1.5% = 31.5% or 28.5% maybe? or will it be 1.5% of 30?? ie: 30.45% or 29.95
    also does the increase come before or after the reduction? the arithmetic makes a significant difference. maybe like the birthday cake and GST?

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    hopey
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    August 07, 2013, 2:44PM
  • How do I vote for Palmer and Assange?

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    Pen of hrba
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    August 07, 2013, 2:22PM
    • yes to Assange: he could be a good balance of power in the Senate to block any undesirable legislation from an LNP govt. He seems to have a good sense of society so should be OK with an ALP govt. Palmer: what will we get? a dinosaur park in every capital city and regional city; a replica of the Hindenberg or one for every nation? Who knows?

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      JT
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      August 07, 2013, 2:47PM
    • Put a "1" against their name.

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      Steve
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      August 07, 2013, 2:47PM
    • You don't vote on Tuesday's but you vote on Wednesday's.

      "Comment" from someone who says he doesn't vote has all the hallmarks of Joe Hockey's eleventynomics.

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      J. Fraser
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      Queensland
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      August 07, 2013, 2:52PM
  • Does Assange get Diplomatic immunity if voted into the Senate?

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    Chippsy
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    August 07, 2013, 2:20PM
    • Yes he gets immunity. The UK has stated that it would not recognise that convention. The Senate gets to vote on whether they deny him the immunity. the UK could ask the Australian government to have that vote before it recognises Assange's position. Given that both major parties are on record as having said he should return to Sweden, they may co-operate.

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      Steve
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      August 07, 2013, 2:46PM
  • All quiet on the we'll stop the boats mantra, maybe they've stopped coming.

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    Johno
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    August 07, 2013, 2:01PM
    • Now that the boats have stopped, what is the next slogan that Abbott will fall back on?

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      Steve
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      August 07, 2013, 2:15PM
    • No, Rudd is looking for money to pay for their transportation.

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      Pen of hrba
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      August 07, 2013, 2:19PM
    • Morrison will be furious if the boats have stopped!!He wants them to keep coming..sad sad man.

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      Steeden
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      August 07, 2013, 2:20PM
    • Burke sais they are demanding their money back from the "smugglers".
      New mantra needed from Tones if that's the case.
      "Stopping my votes".

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      A country gal
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      August 07, 2013, 2:29PM
  • For 3 looong years Abbott has been telling(Lying)to us that if we dont have a "Carbon Tax" We DONT need the compensation that goes with it..Remember THAT!!..Well guess what,YUP he will be KEEPING the compensation!!.Why keep the compensation if the electricity and gas bills miraculously drop?Are you admitting that bills wont drop now?HYPOCRITE.

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    Steeden
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    August 07, 2013, 1:54PM
    • Steeden
      Abbott is keeping the compensation so that everyone who has budgeted for it in their household income is not further inconvenienced by having it ripped away from them.
      The Coalition are careful planners and let people know where they stand.
      Do you plan a household budget and have to account for where the money is spent each week and month?

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      yys
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      August 07, 2013, 2:09PM
    • Look power prices increased for the most part to climate change directly and indirectly. Labor has virtually dumped all of its climate change policies, and the Coalition climate change polics not worth the paper it is written on.

      So we now have no climate change policies and no reason to charge double for a KWh of power. Therefore the cost lays with the states and Commonwealth, through the Council of Australian Governments and the Ministerial Council on Energy, who set the rules that require the Australian Energy Regulator ensures electricity prices reflect the cost of supply not Tony Abbott. Got it?

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      Pen of hrba
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      August 07, 2013, 2:29PM
    • "The Coalition are careful planners and let people know where they stand."

      Really? I don't think Mr Hockey got that memo. He can't or won't give the "people" a bottom line for his budget.

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      LM
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      August 07, 2013, 3:19PM
  • The banks are not lending readily at the moment because of basel 3 rules etc. ...
    Most People do not have spare cash because of their private bank debt buildup from John Howards era of easy borrowing from banks............
    Under Abbott......Where then is the so called stimulating effect of a company tax cut going to come from that Tony is talking about if banks are not lending...............and he cuts back on Government spending as he has stated he is going to do??

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    Mystified
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    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 1:47PM
    • Bank lending is still going on strong. If we used your logic, yesterday's RBA decision to cut rates would have been futile.

      Commenter
      Rodrigo
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 2:19PM
    • Rodrigo, they're cutting rates because of the John Howard era of over-borrowing,..... people are so loaded up with debt, they have just plain had to cut the rates., not enough money spare to spend in businesses or anywhere.......thanks John Howard.

      Commenter
      Pov
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 2:46PM
  • In May this year, Opposition Leader Tony Abbott announced that if elected the Coalition would re-examine the Henry Tax Review and call for a tax white paper. He said the GST could be included in the review.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/kevin-rudd-pledges-no-gst-rise-as-coalition-under-pressure-to-reveal-details-on-company-tax-cut-20130807-2re8n.html#ixzz2bG3B9mgc

    Now Joe says the same thing.
    Can Abbott & Joe PLEASE EXPLAIN
    what a review achieves unless to increase or expand it?

    Commenter
    Abbott in May & Joe in August
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 1:29PM
    • The GST can only be increased by consensus of the states in Australia, not by the federal Government, the Feds can review the tax system and make a recommendation, which is what Abbott and Hockey are saying they will do, then put it to the people to consider and that would include agreement by all states. So just to be clear, if you’re trying to spin it as a negative of the coalition, you are barking up the wrong tree, see your team leader (Labor stooge school) and they will reassign you with the Work Choices spin lines so you have something negative to peddle and not look silly making incorrect claims (read lies) about the coalition raising the GST.

      Commenter
      Peter G
      Location
      Drummoyne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:53PM
  • It is called stimulating growth as all economists understand that increased taxation regresses growth.

    Undaunted by this logic Rudd changed Medibank from non-profit to tax paying entity for reason of $850 million in fees and extra taxes, realising third yearly increase in Medibank fees. Labor’s cagey methodology of further tax imposts realise about $15 billion: Alcopops tax, New tax on Australians working overseas, Cutting superannuation tax-free contributions, Restrictions on business losses, Changes to Employee Share Scheme, Cigarette tax 25% increase, Mining tax, Ethanol tax increase, LPG excise increase, Further restrictions on medical expenses before claiming tax refund, luxury car tax increase, Flood tax, Tax increase on company cars, Abolition of Entrepreneurs’ Tax Offset, Phasing out of Dependent Spouse Tax Offset, Disallowance of deductions against government assistance payments, Removing minors’ eligibility for the low income tax offset on unearned income, Deferral of Tax Breaks for Green Buildings, Carbon tax now an ETS. Disability Care levy, bank deposit levy, the Mining Tax, Increased FBT tax and another increase of tobacco tax.

    Having done all of this some parts of the country are already in recession, oh dear, I wonder why?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 1:10PM
    • Pen
      So what happened to the need for a surplus? Out the window now?
      And why did Abbott vote against lowering the Corporate Tax rate?
      Don't tell me it was just his lust for power?

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:38PM
    • Pure Gold and so true and to everyone who thinks the Dudd Pony Show will bring benifits please read this 1s will ya!!!

      Commenter
      ultra
      Location
      Mel
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:43PM
    • pen...the budget has become expansionary for this very reason......both the RBA and the govt have now got the same policy to try to expand the economy....just the opposite of contractionary......we are on the way up again from a not so low position. All we have to do is start spending....then let the automatic stabilisers start working.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:54PM
    • Steve

      You are not paying attention again, what does my opening sentence state? High taxes do not a surplus make my son. They do the very opposite and you are living the proof of the pudding, aren't you?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 2:00PM
    • The proposition that taxes always reduce productivity is very simplistic economics. They can. However, taxes are crucial to supply infrastructure, including the 'human capital' from education and training, without which productivity will stagnate or fall. And if you don't provide adequate health services, people cannot sometimes work. That's why all developed countries have taxation systems and government services; it's not just bleeding-heart welfarism.

      Commenter
      bratman
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 2:10PM
    • pen....could it be that you are the one not listening? Even with all of these taxes you have mentioned..........the budget is at the moment EXPANSIONARY to stimulate spending.........yes both fiscal and monetary policy are officially expansionary.......EXPANSIONARY regardless of your list of taxes.....

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 2:15PM
    • JT

      Which one of the last six interest rate cuts stimulated spending, JT? People are losing their jobs at an ever increasing rate and you think people are going to go on spendfest? Delusional as ever.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 2:17PM
    • Pen of Hrba,

      Labor may have changed Medibank Private to a for profit organisation but the hundreds of millions of dollars of revenue generated by Medibank Private each year remains in public hands because Labor has no plans to sell Medibank whereas the Coalition plans to sell it, although they have failed to mention this in their "Our Plan" pamphlet.

      "Abbott confirms Coalition plan to sell Medibank Private" (Financial Review 2 Apr 2013)

      "Federal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott in effect has confirmed a Coalition government would privatise national health insurer Medibank Private, in what would be one of the biggest public share offers since the $7 billion sale of Queensland coal haulage operator QR National two years ago."

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 2:22PM
    • Every single one of those rate cuts have had the impact of stimulating spending pen.....every single one......why do you think that Australia is not in recession (3 terms of consecutive negative GDP)??? It's because of the RBA's rate cuts....this is where you have to start taking notice...its called monetary policy. There is a monetary lag pen, spending just doesn't rebound overnight. Maybe it will take one more to really shift household economic behaviour but it will....it is a good thing....if you say otherwise then you show your ignorance.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 2:27PM
    • Economics 101: dead weight of taxation

      Commenter
      Lydia Jones
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 2:34PM
    • @Pen, you're opening statement is just plain wrong, every part of it. You've used a simplistic argument, but its called supply side economics, famously called voodoo economics, and was shown by the US in the 80's to not stimulate the economy, in fact it increased their deficit. So, no, it doesn't simplistically stimulate growth, and most economists know this.

      Commenter
      Big Tone
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 2:46PM
    • Well if Qld is in recession (and we have not seen the figures) it is a direct result of tha Qld small government, big society experiment. It is not working and our unemployment rate is going up and up. Big business and the "mates" are benefiting as they pick up the "outsourcing".

      Sack pathology workers. Then where does the hospital now send its pathology testing? That is one example of many!!

      I don't trust Abbott not to do the same.

      Penn - why don't you have a day off to smell the roses? It will still be the same when you get back!

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 3:21PM
  • The libs have said they are cutting company tax......with no costings........
    I can only assume then, that they will be cutting public services such Health, Police, Fireman,Teachers, as well as cuts to pensioners, and increased taxes on wage earners, .... to pay for the tax cut.......and more privatisation of public assets.

    Commenter
    Economist
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 1:08PM
    • Howard never increased pensions adequately in his whole term as PM........trust that Abbott will do the same........gotta save money somewhere....cut, slash and burn....

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:15PM
    • Economist
      It is easy. They just revise their "no plans" for the GST to a "new plan" for the GST.
      Surely the electorate will forgive them for misleading them. It is only Labor who lie isn't it?

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:40PM
    • On what basis do you make this conclusion? Oh yeah, because that's what Rudd and his fellow incompetents say

      Commenter
      Josh
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:46PM
  • TA quotes JG as saying
    *if you are against a cut in company tax you are against business* in 2012.
    Would that be the same year TA and his band of Merry Misleaders voted against a cut in company tax? (along with the Miserable Milne and the Groans)

    Commenter
    David D
    Location
    Ettalong Beach
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 1:07PM
    • Yes, and I believe it was because to vote for the company tax cuts they would also have been required to vote for a carbon tax. Very sneaky of you to forget that little detail of the carbon tax.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:34PM
    • kp So are you saying it is only ok for Mumbles to selectively quote, and oppose?

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong beach
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:52PM
    • Who the hell is mumbles? Besides, we were talking about your comment.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 2:17PM
    • kp Mumbles Abbott (Stumbles Hockeys offsider); used the quote - did not care about the context; I use the historical fact of his vote - his precedence absolves me from requiring to explain the context.
      I also happen to think that his previous advocating of a *tax* on carbon means he could have supported both measures; were it not for the looney rights squirrel grip on him

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 2:34PM
  • Within a minute of thinking up a lie the Coalition is said by Labor to have costing’s with a $70 billion black hole, but it doesn’t. One minute later the Coalition is accused of planning to increase the GST, but they cannot? The next minute they will bring back Workchoices, but they will not. Meanwhile, “over the last three months, WHSQ inspectors found unacceptable asbestos handling failures at NBN worksites at Banyo, Carseldine and Mackay, and at Carseldine, high pressure water was used to clean a telecommunications pit containing asbestos. Debris was observed on the faces and clothes of two workers,” while “asbestos should not be a political football", according to Bill Shorten?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 12:53PM
    • Pen
      Our resident fact free zone.
      I think you will find they were Telstra work sites. David Thodey conceded that.
      Telstra have reviewed the work of their contractors, insisted on retraining their contractors and they started work again on Monday.
      But I agree with Shorten, you shouldn't be using it as a political football. People's lives are at stake.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:07PM
    • Pen
      Can you guarantee that Abbott doesn't have a $70bn black hole? How did he fill it?
      Can you guarantee that he won't bring back aspects of Work Choices? He won't show us his policy.
      Can you guarantee that he will not expand the GST? Hockey said they would, and now says they "have no plans".
      Is that the same "no plans" that O'Farrell had prior to having a plan to allow shooting in National Parks?

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:11PM
    • Steve

      An employee of Telstra who worked in these pits as just died from an asbestos related disease. Work on the NBN has more or less come to a grinding halt. The unions are beside themselves, not from a sense of guilt or a sense of hypocrisy, but from genuine humbug that the entire sordid affair has nothing to do with them.

      Unions understand there was no reason for the use of asbestos as an additive in concrete since the 1950’s as other safe alternatives came onto the market at this time. They also understand asbestos had been a proven cause of death since the 1930’s, as detailed in science and medical journals besides wider media coverage. By 1946 1.3 million Australians (15% of population) were members of a union, and after asbestos was a proven cause of death. Nevertheless unions continued to allow its members to work amidst asbestos as did government its own employees.

      The Telecommunications Act of 1975 established Telecom Australia. Wholly owned by the Commonwealth of Australia, Telecom became the sole supplier of domestic telecommunications under the authority of the Minister of Transport and Communications. So government owned Telecom while its employees operated in asbestos pits, asbestos was not phased out in Australia until 1989 and banned entirely in 2003 some 72 years after proven to be a cause of death.

      And now it's Telstra's fault, right?

      Great logic, Steve what have you got for an encore?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:41PM
    • Pen.....One name for you Pen....Bernie Banton. Remember? The man who spent his dying days fighting for Asbestos victims. The man Abbott said was "not pure of heart".I wouldn't be using Asbestos to attack Labor Pen. Especially when the deputy leader of the Liberal Party (Julie Bishop) used to represent the company the victims were suing. And her delaying tactics are the stuff of legend.

      Commenter
      Bernie Banton was a great man
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:51PM
    • Pen
      Asbestos is a terrible legacy and I am now directly involved in its removal from the Telecommunications network.
      What I said was that tying it to NBN is an hysterical, politically motivated move.
      Telstra has been managing its removal for years and two contractors have got it wrong. The investigation into why they got it wrong is not yet complete.
      Telstra has taken responsibility and has retrained the contractors and is managing the process more closely.
      Don't make a political football out of a tragedy.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:52PM
  • Is he the same Eric of UTEGATE debacle whose mudslinging failed miserably and brought down Malcolm T.?

    Senior Liberal senator Eric Abetz has made a parliamentary apology to Prime Minister Kevin Rudd over his role in botched corruption allegations against the Prime Minister.

    Looks like he is back to grab the headlines throwing stink bombs and causing mischief. The Voters wants real policies, costings and alternatives not more diversions.

    Eric need to do much better. Maybe as a mentor to the Bumbling Liberal candidate for Greenway, Jaymes Diazas

    Commenter
    Eric Who?
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 12:53PM
  • Hacka. Labor at $4 with sportsbet. A nice little return for me on the 8th September. Favorites have lost at the post on many occasions.

    Commenter
    Johno
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 12:52PM
    • Quite right Johno, you might collect. To put it in perspective though, i think GWS paid less against the Swans the other day.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:06PM
  • Oh my, where have I heard "there will not be a rise in the gst under a government I lead" that was the carbon tax slogan, that promise was broken so I guess this one will be too.Spends a lot of time with kids, maybe because they won't ask questions like adults will.

    Commenter
    Louie
    Location
    Newcastle
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 12:52PM
    • Fair call. At least Abbott is not so silly to say never, ever, like his mentor. Rather, he has used the cliched weasel words 'no plans' (and note the plural).

      Of course, it would be nice to think that the current crop of political journalists were even half of the previous generation. None of them has challenged Abbott to put it in blood or say 'never, ever'. Not that you could believe him anyway.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:15PM
  • Surely the ALP can get more than a fiver from long life friends like Eddie and Macca?

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Labor party La La Land
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 12:51PM
  • So let me get this right.
    Hockey doesn't believe Treasury forecasts. He believes the situation is much worse than the Government is letting on.
    So he is giving away $5bn in Revenue.
    How are the spinmeisters spinning that as responsible policy?

    Commenter
    Steve
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 12:43PM
    • @Steve, if you believe anything treasury or labor tells you you won't get anything right.
      The economy is struggling. The way you improve it is to give business - including small business - a helping hand which in turn improves the economy and then subsequently increases the revenue flow back to the government. This then helps pay debt.
      A strong economy leads to increase business revenue which leads to government revenue.
      Hockey and the coalition are right - unless you think money magically appears.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:55PM
    • The Coalition plans to stimulate the corporate sector with a tax cut - that may actually increase tax revenues.

      Commenter
      Rodrigo
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:01PM
    • kp
      But this is the opposition who opposed cuts in Corporate Tax rates.
      And what happens to the budget surplus? Has Hockey decided that now deficits are good?
      Just like he now thinks low interest rates are bad?
      What does he believe in anyway? Power at any cost?

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:14PM
    • Rodrigo how can cutting company tax increase tax revenues?.........this means LESS tax revenue for the Government.

      Commenter
      lessisnotmore
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:21PM
    • @kp and @rodrigo, but only on the supply side for business, not the demand side for consumers. Businesses will need to create demand, say, by passing on the decreased tax onto consumers as lower prices, which is unlikely. The net positive impact on profit will be for businesses, who will only invest in the economy if there is demand, and lowering company tax won't do it.

      Commenter
      Big Tone
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:35PM
    • Rodrigo
      Don't make us laugh.
      How many years of lower taxes before businesses grow enough to repay the deficit?
      This is nothing more than a vote grab and you know it.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:45PM
    • Steve, the opposition had to vote against the original company tax cuts proposed by labor because they were linked to the carbon tax…logical.

      As for the budget surplus, the budget will return to surplus if companies are making profits. So investing in Australian businesses may cause short term pain for the budget but provide long term gain in the future and lead to stronger budget surpluses.

      And Hockey never said low interest rates are bad (have you and David Bradbury been talking???). He said the economy is going badly which is why the reserve bank needed to drop interest rates.

      As for power at any costs, didn’t Kevin Rudd say he would not be challenging Julia Gillard before the election? How about all the Ministers who said they could not work with Rudd (hello Penny Wong)? Or the backbenchers who said the same thing? Once they realised Gillard could not win they knifed Gillard faster than Brutus on Caesar.

      Labor is all about celebrity and sound bites, that is why the economy is in disarray.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:47PM
    • Yes, yes kp, we know what employer unions and the Coaliton mean by stronger economy - Workchoices in 2005, 457 visas since 1996, and in 2013, slashing penalty rates, removing unfair dismissal protection, reintroducing statutory non-union, individual contracts, creating a new body to overrule Fair Work Australia decisions, and a 1.5% company tax rate cut funded by an increased GST or a broadening of the GST base.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 3:02PM
    • lessisnotmore and Steve,
      It shows you know nothing about business or economics.

      Tax cuts are like interest rate cuts - both measures can be used to stimulate the economy.

      Commenter
      Rodrigo
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 3:03PM
  • Joe hockey has surpassed himself. Albanese has a beer with an independent who has no chance of being re-elected and this is evidence of labor doing secret deals! Talk about a vivid imagination ...

    Commenter
    Rum
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 12:43PM
    • Ever herd of preference deals, over a beer of course.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party La La Land
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:52PM
    • Well MacDonald and Obeid use to have many beers together, usually over a long lunch. But nothing ever went down there, did it?

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:10PM
    • enough
      Preferences are decided by the voter n the House of Reps.
      Preference deals are done for the Senate.
      Thompson isn't in the Seante.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:16PM
  • Clearly David Bradbury was yesterday expecting the media organisation he was "on air" at to just accept the nonsense he was speaking, as do a large proportion of the left leaning media.

    The surprise and the display of his true colours when he was actually challenged on the accuracy of his claim concerning Joe Hockey's statements regarding the significance of the interest rate reduction, was a very revealing insight into the way in which he obviously views the media as lap dogs.

    How dare someone question his assertions?

    Of course, he acts this way because the ALP MPs have become accustomed to being able to say pretty much anything they like to the media.

    Commenter
    Alternate View
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 12:42PM
    • Alternate
      What world do you live in? One where The Telegraph is left wing?

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:17PM
  • Twiggy Forrest lost his court battle on the mining tax. But he need not worry Tony will abolish the mining tax and give him a 1.5% company tax break to boot.

    Commenter
    Johno
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 12:39PM
    • better than sending him to the wall and putting thousands out of work as labor will do.

      You should remember that its not just Tony but the LNP and its not just Kevin, its labor - the guilty party.

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:50PM
    • Denny
      It will be a long time before Twiggy goes bust.
      The MRRT only taxes profits over $75m. So Twiggy gets to keep the first 75 and share some of the rest of it with us.
      Yesterday just to cover the bad news, he was giving millions to local communities - all good!

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:21PM
  • What's this with 'extraordinary" being said every 5 mins by Labor?????

    Commenter
    Nelly
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 12:38PM
    • I noticed that too. Everything the Coalition say is now extaordinary. lol
      They're all saying it. Wong this morning said it about 3 times, Rudd said it a couple of times today, Albo used it and now just heard Burke use it a couple of times.
      How extraodindary!

      Commenter
      Jimbo
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:52PM
    • Nelly
      Some of Hockey's claims have been truly extraordinary don't you think?
      Changing from low interest rates being good to low interest rates being bad.
      Changing from deficits being bad to deficits being good.
      Backflip after backflip. No wonder he is losing weight.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:56PM
  • Hacka. We will get budget updates, by Chris Bowen after Sept 7th as treasurer of this country.

    Commenter
    Johno
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 12:15PM
    • Jolly good Johno - looks like Sportsbet will have some money to pay out then at $4.00 (ALP).

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:38PM
    • If the ALP gets back in Bowen will be giving budget updates every week. You know it has been very hard to have accurate figures available all the time and the Assistant Treasurer has just been having too many bad days.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party La La Land
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:49PM
    • Enough is Enough,

      Joe Hockey and Tony Abbott refuse to abide by the Coaliton's own Charter of Budget Honesty (it was created by Howard and Costello when they were in government), and lazy and incompetent Joe Hockey refuses to add up his own costings.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 3:09PM
  • I note that Rudd is doing all his campaigning at schools, in the safety of a bus or with a hand picked group of supporters

    Commenter
    Isenz
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 12:11PM
  • The recent Mugabe’s election victory in Zimbabwe clearly inspired the Australian political spin masters – a promise of a $1 handout for doing nothing while bankrupting the country gives more votes than an opportunity to earn $10 working hard.
    Same worked in USA for Obama and here Labor is following it to the letter with help of imported US experts in deceitful propaganda.

    Commenter
    Fred
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 11:31AM
    • Yes...its worked for the far right political parties for over 50 years....time for the ALP to start to be able to compete.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:57AM
  • What about the $450 million for before / after School care .... Does rudd know that under govt regulations introduced last year and coming into effect next year anyone working in before / after School care OOHSC MUST HAVE at least a Certificate 3 in childcare.... how many Mums have that ... as well how many Mums can work from 6-30am to 8-30am then 2-30pm till 6-30pm wh is going to look after the children? the other thing would be the child could be in School care with them ... they earn less than the cost? go figure...

    Commenter
    Zebb
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 11:28AM
    • Agree Zebb. But this PM will do and say anything to secure your vote and default after the election is over. Wasn't this the same PM who promised 200+ day care centres. Australia got how many?

      Commenter
      Neutral Voter
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:37AM
    • In 2007 Rudd promised there would be 260 new child care centres in uni's, TAFE and in the community but by 2010 only 38 had been established and the program was quietly shutdown.
      This latest promises by Rudd is a repeat of the 2007 promise and again show that facade Rudd is all promise and no delivery

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:40AM
    • Zeb - it seems you are assuming only *mums* work in OOSH.
      From where do you glean this?
      Disclosure; I spent a number of years working in OOSH and Vacation care.
      From first hand experience, I know how long a certain Deputy PM and certain Health Minister have valued this service.

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:45AM
    • Come on, don't let incidentals like realities spoil the illusion for the delusional mob. It spoils their sense of fantasy of living in fairy land under the moon.

      What's a few more million in spending when tobacco tax has been increased to square more school funding? You can see the logic of increasing FBT while giving a few more hundred million to the car industry, can't you? The bank deposit tax will help to pay the interest bill?

      It is all logical to the rusted, you have to let your neurons corrode a little and it will all make sense.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:58AM
    • I dont think only Mums work in the trade my Son is doing a Traineeship in the area and I know the hours he works and they are the hours that most "Mums" would be using in getting their own children off to School not looking after other peoples children

      Commenter
      Zebb
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:33PM
    • The other "Promise" made in his first tilt at being Prime Minister was that both he and Julia thought we needed more student taking up Maths and Science based degrees and they were going to make them "free" or cut the Hex fees substantially .... my other son currently has a $30k hexs fee for a Science degree...

      Commenter
      Zebb
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:36PM
    • Zebb
      Don't let reality get in the way will you.
      The real cost of childcare has gone DOWN under this government.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:47PM
    • Neutral Voter,

      Tony Abbott promised 100 dams and a direct hotline to the Australian navy.

      Abbott also opposed tighter regulation on the 457 skilled migration system despite widespread rorting.

      Liberal state governments in Vic, NSW and Qld are spending billions of dollars on employment agency tenders while sacking tens of thousands of public servants, and replacing them with casuals, contractors and labour hire employees.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 3:06PM
  • Wow the PM visits a Korean group in Ryde, now suddenly Korean language is a priority. So if he meets a muslim group from Iran next will Farsi also be on the language list. It is true what is being said that the PM will do anything to win a vote and default on the idea later. Shame on the PM!

    Commenter
    Neutral Voter
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 11:23AM
    • Why are all PM's stops at schools with young school children - why not talk to the adults in the room - haven't seen the strolls through shopping centres of late - maybe the hysteria has died down

      Commenter
      OhDearMe
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:37AM
  • This whole Murdoch conspiracy issue is hilarious. Yesterday the Fairfax AFR wrote an editorial recommending a change of government. Also yesterday the Canberra Times (Fairfax) very clearly recommended a vote for Labor. Apparently that's okay - but when the nasty Rupert does the same it's just not cricket.

    Remember too that Conroy introduced specific get-Rupert laws in April (remember, pass-them-by-the-end-of-next-week-or-else). Of course the rules were so daft that they were withdrawn.

    Why wouldn't Rupert have an anti-ALP position ? Many Aussie voters do too.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 11:18AM
    • Don't forget The Age's role is deposing ruling PM Gillard via it's Editorial only 12 weeks ago. No influence then apparently.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party La La Land
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:38AM
    • Anyone - in the media or elsewhere - have every right to advocate a vote for whomever they please. The complaint about some Murdoch publications is about slanting news and headlines - but I guess they have the right to do that as well, only exposing it is equally legitimate.

      Commenter
      bratman
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:43AM
    • It's not just about the front page the other day. It's about the last 5 years or more of anti-Labor propaganda or, in layman's terms, blatant lies.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:51AM
    • EiE - don't forget Michelle Grattan's article back in May 2012 calling for Gillard to go then.

      How do all the Rupertophiles deal with that one ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:03PM
    • Seriously, are there no limits to your blind devotion?

      Your ability to be reasonable and logical may be somewhat lacking, but your loyalty sure is admirable.

      So, you compare an "opinion" like that of, say, Bolt, or Akerman, run in the Tele EVERY day, to a full front page ultimatum???? wow. Even for you, this is a new level.....

      Commenter
      TommyP
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:05PM
    • Gee the ALP gymnastics class of 2013 are doing lots of triple pikes with a short tumble followed by an extremely poor landing. Loss of points for that. Fair shake of the sauce bottle comrades can't you see through the smoke and mirrors though I thought cooking with gas was a clean energy. Anyway, please don't forget to turn off the lights on 7 September when you exit the gymnasium for 3 years and a bit more I hope.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party La La Land
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:46PM
    • Hacka
      The difference is that The Age is relatively balanced. Murdoch would rather have a few pollies in his pocket and Rudd is refusing to go there.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:50PM
    • The Murdoch press has every right to an opinion and if they want to put iton the front page fine. What they dont have the right to do is make stuff up and misrepresent. when we look at the revelations of the leveson inquiry, why are we not suprised at what they do. Only those so blind they cannot see can defend them.

      Commenter
      Rum
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:50PM
    • Steve - yep Rudd would never sell his soul would he ? Now, about never "lurching to the right" or "the greatest moral challenge of our time", well they must have been apparitions.

      TommyP - as you've told us many times that you never read the Murdoch press, how would you know about its contents ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:13PM
    • It's not blind devotion on Hacka's part TommyP - there is a malicious cunning there that belies mere cluelessness....

      Commenter
      Tim bob
      Location
      'bra
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 2:59PM
  • ACTU President Ged Kearney trying her best at the National Press Club to bring back the “Work choices” scaremongering campaign, she admits they know the word still resonates with their members, admitting it’s a scaremongering tactic, when questioned on her position that productivity is in good shape in Australia, saying that it’s at the highest levels since the 1960’s – tells you all you need to know about what to expect from the ACTU and how clear it is they a dinosaur.

    Commenter
    Peter G
    Location
    Drummoyne
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 11:17AM
    • Of course, regardless of whether the Liberals bring back WorkChoices, they have always wanted business to have the right to hire and fire at will. The principal is there. It's in their DNA.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:29AM
    • Tone, we are obviously on the opposite end of the spectrum in our political views and I respect you right to vote however you wish, but even you have to admit, there is a level of productivity that needs to be agreed to in order for the country not to end up like Greece (with all due respect to our Greek friends) what’s your view on a delinquent employee who is a poison pill in a business, what should be the right of business owners in your view please.

      Commenter
      Peter G
      Location
      Drummoyne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:35AM
    • Rubbish.......you just want work choices bought back under another name just like she explained Tony is going to do.

      Commenter
      It'saFact
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:40AM
    • Indeed, heaven forbid a business owner has the right to sack staff. I mean they're only the ones taking all the risks. Why not let under performing staff just continue on their merry way costing their employer time and money.

      Commenter
      Jane
      Location
      Bathurst
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:45AM
    • Dinosaurs, hmmm. A bit like failed restaurateurs, eh?

      Commenter
      Peter
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:50AM
    • Tone, it is one thing creating job security for people working for large corporations (with the whole HR machinery those corporations have). It's a whole different ball-game for small business being unable to fire a non-productive person. I've had one employee who after a messy divorce started drinking and taking drugs. It obviously affected his work performance and we challenged him on it. When no improvement eventuated and he was hospitalised, we proceeded to terminate his employment (as his wage accounted for a large portion of our budget and we needed that extra pair of hands). Fast forward 5 months, and we were forced into mediation with WorkCover as he claimed workplace stress has caused his illness. Amazingly (but apparently not unusual), WorkCover sided with the employee and we were forced into a massive settlement agreement, because it was now deemed unfair dismissal. It nearly killed our business and added enormous stress, a significant legal bill and increased WorkCover premiums. The point of me telling you all this is that the right to hire and fire should not be a right that is totally frowned upon. If you go visit any small business owner that has had more than 30 employees over more than a decade - then they can all tell you horror stories about employees abusing the system. So if we need to improve the economic performance of this country and bring back the spirit of entrepreneurship, then laws around "hire and fire" needs to be a little more balanced. I am not advocating work choices, but I am advocating a system where it is possible to remove a person from your business if they are adding no value - and possible to do so without costs that can destroy your business in the process.

      Commenter
      Art
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:02PM
    • Peter, if an employee is a 'poison pill' s/he should be warned and if no improvement is evident, dismissed. But if an employer wants to sack someone because of race religion, hair colour, gender, political, opinion or sexual orientation, or to make way to employ a friend or relative, that's different. It's even worse if, as sometimes happens, an employer decides to sack someone for refusing a sexual advance. No system precludes dismissal for incompetence or dishonesty.

      Commenter
      bratman
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:08PM
    • Lets's start by Abbott dropping the tax free threshold from $18000 to $6000 for Low income earners. That'll help pay for 1.5% reduction on company tax.A 15% tax on low income earners super. Part of Work Choices in disguise.

      Commenter
      Johno
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:11PM
    • It’s a fact, I will ask you the same question that Tone is avoiding to answer, what right should an employer (let’s say someone who runs a business with 6-8 employees as an example) the owner has mortgaged his property to finance the business and therefore has all his assets at risk, what rights should he (the business owner) have if he has a delinquent employee.

      Commenter
      Peter G
      Location
      Drummoyne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:17PM
    • PeterG
      There is plenty of room for employers to rid themselves of delinquent employees already. It is done every day.
      We need laws to protect employees from delinquent employers.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:52PM
    • Oh sorry, didn't notice you there.

      Um. I will say that as an employer myself, the current system is not great, but as someone who believes in the Australian ideal of a fair go, I don't believe hire and fire is fair either.

      We do have mechanisms to get rid of someone, but only after they have ongoing demonstrated bad behaviour, not just behaviour that an employer doesn't like today.

      Perhaps an employer will find that you don't have similar political beliefs to them. Is that a legitimate reason for dismissal? I say no.

      Taking drugs, on the other hand, is instant dismissal from me and I will stand up in court and defend my actions if that happens.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:53PM
    • @Peter G - precisely on the money with that comment about the owner of a small business taking all the risks. When a business goes under in Australia, the only one suffering and losing their home is the owner. All staff is covered by the GEARS scheme. Australia has a massive problem with the way small business is funded - especially when it comes to technology start-ups. Venture capital in this country is a joke, getting an R&D grant from the government takes longer and requires more paperwork than undertaking the R&D itself and the personal risk to the business owners of bankruptcy means you really need to believe in your dream (or be stupid) to be prepared to take the substantial risk involved. Small business (the biggest employer in this country) is strangled by regulation, a non-competitive banking sector and a total disregard of focus from the politicians. If we can get the small business sector fired up again, the budget may just get back in the black. Sadly I don't trust Labor to do that, because their union dominance means that they only ever deal with big business.

      Commenter
      Art
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:55PM
    • When was the last time Ged had to refinance her home, or go without any pay just to pay her employees?

      Commenter
      dRod
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:00PM
    • Heeeeeeeeeeeeeello Peter

      The LNP are being lobbied to change IR back to Workchoices (dont you love the irony in its name) era if you dont believe me check this out

      http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/vics-urge-abbott-to-overhaul-ir-20130806-2rdkn.html

      The train has left the station Peter G toot toot

      Commenter
      Buffalo Bill
      Location
      Sydneys Northshore
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:06PM
    • Bratman, don’t disagree with anything you said, and if you read the words of Art, it says it all and why there needs to be a fair system, you won’t get any argument there and I feel for Art, as have been through the same thing and it’s a nightmare and a burden on the family, everyone suffers. Running a business should be seen as playing an important part of the community and the contribution you make, and sure, if it’s a success you do ok but let me tell you, having done that, you earn every penny because unless you haven’t done it, you won’t for a minute understand the sacrifices you need to make.

      Commenter
      Peter G
      Location
      Drummoyne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:10PM
    • @Tone - I appreciate that you can see my point of view. I also do not believe in the right to fire someone for a political opinion or other such nonsense. But when it comes to drugs (as in my example), the problem is clearly one of proof. In our case, the drug use was obvious as was the alcohol. But I don't think you can just drag an employee off to a drug test on a random basis. No proof, no sympathy from the judge - and 5 months down the track you have no way of revisiting the issue. A friend of mine had a related problem. An employee tried to climb a rack in his warehouse to steal some goods from the top shelf. He slipped and fell down. He was fired for theft, but WorkCover deemed it a workplace accident and forced my friend to pay his wages for a considerable amount of time. Hardly something that could be considered a "fair go" (if you look at it with the employers eyes)...

      Commenter
      Art
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:10PM
    • Regardless of your political opinions, I feel for you Art. I wouldn't want to wish that on anyone. I have had a dodgy employee myself but have managed to escape unscathed, for now.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:28PM
    • Hey Buff Bill, thanks for your comment, its comments like yours and Johno’s that put a smile on my face, you try the desperate spin on IR laws and its yesterday’s slogan Buff, in fact, I suggest you stick to it as your trump card line, because most informed voters know it’s just further evidence that labor will do or say absolutely anything to win the election, the train has left the station Buff, but I don’t think it’s coming to a station near you.

      Commenter
      Peter G
      Location
      Drummoyne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:34PM
  • Great one liner form Tony Abbott in Adelaide today, he said “the more we see of Kevin Rudd, the more nostalgic we become about Julie Gillard”

    Commenter
    Peter G
    Location
    Drummoyne
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 11:13AM
    • great stuff Tony, I say call Bill bring back Julia

      Commenter
      Genghis
      Location
      Lounge
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:34AM
    • Can we bring back Malcolm?

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:20PM
    • PeterG
      Of course he wants Julia back. He would have won if he had not pushed so hard to get rid of her.
      Unfortunately for him it backfired. Luckily for us even if Kevin loses, we might still avoid MPs like Diaz.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:55PM
    • So he really is a dill, he couldn't even get her name right. Poor Tony is acting shell shocked.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 3:09PM
  • Well that is that, I'm sick and tired of chopping wood everyday at 71 years of age so my wife and I can keep warm at night, due to power bills being unaffordable.

    I may change my mind not to vote at all and vote for Palmer, but I will wait to read the fine print first, Mr Palmer. After 71 years I have come to the conclusion that Australian politicians are more or less a despicable lot.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 11:12AM
    • My power bill is only $250 a quarter and I'm warm at night. If you can't afford that there must be something wrong.......there are ways to keep it low which have no immediate or direct relevance to any political party or election.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:20AM
    • Yes, vote for a billionaire miner, because billionaire miners always do what you want, not what they want. It's how they got to be billionaires. <sarcasm/>

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:32AM
    • Agreed JT
      My bill is around the same; the only thing annoying about mybill is the misleading NSW scare slogan regarding the Carbon price component.

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:32AM
    • hilarious that you think 250 a quarter is cheap in the first place.

      Commenter
      Genghis
      Location
      Lounge
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:38AM
    • And since I got free pink batts installed in my roof (thanks Kev!) my electricity bill is lower than it used to be.

      Commenter
      Peter A
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:47AM
    • JT

      So my bill should be the same as yours, right? Had any lessons in logic lately have we? You have a gas supply do you? How convenient that is? Live in the hills where it is usually 7 degrees colder than on the flats do we?

      I despair for you, JT I really do.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:49AM
    • David D

      Re the carbon tax on your electricity bill remember you are paying GST on the carbon tax as it is included in the tariff per KWH before GST is added.
      The carbon tax is not listed as a separate charge only the GST is.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:49AM
    • No PeterA they weren't free, a working Australian paid for them for you. You know the one's that had the intelligence to put insulation in their ceilings (and pay for it) ahead of purchasing cigarettes or playing poker machines. Ahhh priorities - the good old days!

      Commenter
      Janey
      Location
      Bathurst
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:10PM
    • Terry I would be happier if the Carbon price claim on my bill was extended to acknowledge that it is fully compensated
      As it is it is simply misleading.

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:12PM
    • pen and genghis.........a lesson in logic......instead of just complaining about electricity prices, do something practical to achieve the lowest price per quarter that you can.....seems logical not irrational. I believe that at $250 per quarter.... that figure is affordable by any household pensioner or not and that price has no direct relevance to any political party. Logic says that if the price goes up by 10% then I somehow reduce my use of power by 10% and still have the same lifestyle. It can be done and its not POLITICAL.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:14PM
    • don't despair for me pen...I have things worked out quite well and can take responsibility for lowering costs rather than just blame everything on earth on the ALP. I'm not winging.......I just despair at the cut throat/uncompassionate society that the LNP lot will force on us.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:27PM
    • JT
      $250 a quarter! My brother lives in Yogyakarta.
      Family of 3, no heating (obviously) and no aircon.
      He pays at least $400 a quarter.
      No coal subsidies in Indonesia.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:03PM
    • "everyday. pen, crikey it must get cold in summer where you live.
      Critical/lateral thinking is what you need to do. How about buying a splitter, heater with a bigger fire box, employ a fit teenager to chop a bit, insulate, put on another jumper. grow quick growing trees for pollarding aka sugar gums. Put on some (more) panels and feed back to the grid.
      It's a lame reason to vote for Clive. Clive's credentials aren't exactly green. But you might get a discount on coal if you join up.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:39PM
  • "1:02pm: Oh Clive - where would we be without you? The Palmer United Party wants to be all things to all people. Pensioners for one. It has promised them an $150 a fortnight should it, cough, form government.!

    Clive will do better than people think, this government and the libs are no better have a total disregard for pensioner, many who barely pay for electricity bills. Whilst Kev goes round high fiving kids he dismisses and has total disregard for pensioners. Disgusting and strange - for as a kokoda survivor(cough) you would think he had an ounce of respect

    Commenter
    Genghis
    Location
    Lounge
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 11:09AM
  • Is Kevin trying to scaremonger or is he not aware that the GST can only be increased if all states agree, Federal Government can’t put up the GST, and what’s with Albo meeting Craig Thomson for a beer, suppose they just discussing the pro’s and con’s.

    Commenter
    Peter G
    Location
    Drummoyne
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 11:02AM
    • Albo is a numbers man so it's either twisting Thommo's arm for preferences or Thommo's the new Messiah ready to come down from Mangrove Mountain and play ball again for the ALP..

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party La La land
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:11AM
    • More to come from Pynes few glasses of wine with Asby. A bit more serious don't you think. Or do you have the Pyne don't recall memory.

      Commenter
      Johno
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:14AM
  • What I don't get is how Labor ask us to trust them when we have seen 70 frontbenchers in six years. Three reshuffles in 2013 alone.
    They have had five assistant treasurers in six years and two Treasurers. Six small business ministers, four immigration ministers, six ministers for housing, six ministers for Centrelink, four trade ministers.
    They've had nine different education ministers in six years. They have had four higher education ministers in four months. They have had three prime ministers in six years. This is ridiculous, that is not the normal way the country is run.
    They then say they are the best party to Govern our nation. Can someone tell me how??

    Commenter
    PMI
    Location
    Hamton
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 11:00AM
    • Weren't you around in the Holt, McEwan, Gorton, McMahon era?

      Apart from Gorton who was Prime Minister for 4 years, these Prime Ministers lasted 2 years each.

      Of course the Cabinet changed every time the PM changed.

      Both Rudd and Gillard were Prime Minister for three years each.

      They certainly faired better than the Liberal PMs between Menzies and Whitlam!!

      I have really wondered why people have carried on about Labor changing leaders. It was the thing to do by the Liberals between1966 and 1972.

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:36AM
  • To WHYALLA WIPEOUT: The problem with your analysis is this >>> Treasury is full of triple degree, doctorate holding specialists, bureaucrats and support acts yet they can't and don't get their narrations, forecasts and analyses right.

    So, I say this in reference to your medical anology that "the doctor with three degrees in medicine has not always been right" >> in Treasury's case, they have never been right in recent years, and arguably for much of the RGR generation. Indeed, it comes eventually full circle to where one has to question the competency of those who are providing the diagnosis. In Treasury's case, it's inefficiency, poor forecasting and woeful modelling that's on display, not repeated late nights in Emergency or Triage.

    The Economic Update debunked the Budget entirely within <12 weeks, yet Treasury's update said that the 2013 deficit would still come in at $19.377B for 30 June 2013, wholly unchanged from the May budget figures. In fact, The economic Update changed everything else, yet left all (that is "ALL") of the figures referable to 30 June 2013 unchanged (as between the Budget, pre-year end by 7+ weeks, and the Economic Update, post year end, by 5 weeks). A case of mis-diagnosed? Or, of carelessness? Or, of not knowing what else to do? Or, of fudging the figures? Or, of coveringup? Or, of hiding the detail from public view? That's why the Economic Update is itself crafted from a faiy shaky foundation, expertly diagnosed however by these triple degree doctors from Treasury (to further draw from your medical analogy).

    Commenter
    Grant
    Location
    Mitcham
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 10:55AM
    • Grant, as all credible economists have been saying, this has been an impossible period to do forecasts in. The Treasury grossly underestimated the receipts from the start of the Mining boom as well in the late Howard years.

      But whether you want to accept Treasury forecasts or not, it still puts this country in great jeopardy when the likely next Government of this country (according to the polls and the bookies) are not prepared to put any serious figures on the table and allegedly reputable journalists are letting them get away with weasel words like 'we have confidence there will be offsets in the medium term'.

      I am worried sick about how little serious scrutiny the current Opposition's economic credentials are getting and how the cream of Australia's political journalists are so easily fobbed off, whether under orders from a well-known US citizen of Australian birth or just because it is safer to stay with the pack.

      Now are Australians going to give their precious votes for economic snake oil because they don't think the doctors are any good, whatever the underlying circumstances, or will they at least get to match like with like, dollar for dollar?

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:14PM
  • Appears to be a lot of panic setting in from the Labor camp on here today, negative personal political cluster bombs thriving, a sign confidence in the ALP's campaign is waning?

    Commenter
    timjackelton
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 10:54AM
    • Time to change the captain again, quick get Bill Shorten on the phone - lets Bring back Julia!

      Commenter
      Genghis
      Location
      Lounge
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:04AM
    • gotta counter the propaganda of the LNP election campaign tim.....wonder who the best LNP person to be Minister of Propaganda woulld be if they got elected....someone from the far right of the party perhaps? There's a lot to choose from.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:06AM
    • No wonder they are panicking, the bettings blowing out by the day, Labor now at $4.00 and the Coalition at $1.30 wonder how many of the rusted on Labor supporters would put their money where their mouths are!

      Commenter
      Peter G
      Location
      Drummoyne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:45AM
    • I've just done a quick cruise around some sites and it's pro Labor everywhere. Maybe it's Kev's American hit squad at work.

      Commenter
      Paul
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:50AM
    • Yes the SMH team are even zipping over to The Australian site - the paper they state they never read LOL - desperately trying to shore up the credibility of Himself and his party, who I have to say we don't hear a lot from these days. Has Rudd Mk11 gone back to his controlling ways already ?! From what we hear there are already rumblings in the ranks with the cowardly caucus being concerned with his performance and reminding him that no matter how comfortable he feels with them - schoolkids don't vote. Thank god the circus only runs for another month.

      Commenter
      Magwitch
      Location
      Rudds electorate
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:20PM
    • Paul, not sure what you mean by saying you cruised round a few sites and it’s all pro-Rudd, if you’re talking about the betting market’s, centrebet, sporting bet etc, perhaps you misunderstand how it works, if they say Labor is at $4.00 and the Coalition is at $1.30 that means that Labor are not in good shape Paul, it means they are very long odds and unlikely to win the election, and not so surprising quite frankly, given the governments performance.

      Commenter
      Peter G
      Location
      Drummoyne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:27PM
  • So you want to blame the Coalition for a GST increase do you? Here’s one that you overlooked:

    Labor approved doubling of electricity tariffs from 14 to 28 cents per KWh. Australia consumes 255 billion KWh of electricity annually. Fourteen cents x 255 billion = a $35.7 billion annual increase.

    The GST component = $3.57 billion. Labor so you let that 6.5% increase in GST slide by you, hmm?

    Should I mention the GST increases by gas tariff increases?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 10:48AM
    • The GST rate didn't increase. For someone who claims to hate misleading politicians, you're very happy to do it yourself.

      Electricity price rises are indeed outrageous, but they're approved at state government level. Do you know who decried the "gold-plating" practice that has allowed the power companies to raise their prices like that? Julia Gillard.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:58AM
    • No, get the facts right. The states and Commonwealth, through the Council of Australian Governments and the Ministerial Council on Energy, set the rules that require the Australian Energy Regulator ensures electricity prices reflect the cost of supply, including the cost increases from the carbon tax and the green energy fund set in place by Labor.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:35AM
    • Arky
      Don't worry yourself. Pen is a fact free zone.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:25PM
  • Joe has changed his mind again and is now saying that interest rate decreases are a sign of the economy not doing so well............well he doesn't have to worry because business loan interest rates and credit card interest rates hasn't decreased...........this must mean the economy is going like a dream........

    Commenter
    madpolitics
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 10:42AM
  • So you want to blame the Coalition for a GST increase do you? Here is one that you overlooked:

    Labor approved the doubling of electricity tariffs from 14 to 28 cents per KWh. Australia consumes 255 billion KWh of electricity annually. Fourteen cents x 255 billion = $35.7 billion annual increase.

    The GST component = $3.57 billion annual increase. Labor let that one slide by you, hmm?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 10:38AM
    • ALP increased tax free threshold to $18000 from $6000. Did you miss that one as compensation?

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:53AM
    • @ jt 12:38ish. This was not compensation at all as many tax offsets or rebates were either removed or made harder to get making it the smokescreen we've come to expect from Labor. Did you not read the fine print?

      Commenter
      Janey
      Location
      Bathurst
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:18AM
    • janey....don't make me LOL.....if you are not paying less tax and hence have more disposable income to pay for higher bills etc because of the tax free threshold increase...then go and find another accountant....if this is not compensation then what is?

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:27AM
    • JT

      You are obviously not a pensioner otherwise you would understand that what you are citing comes with smoke and mirrors. The only relief from tariff costs that I receive is a small reduction once year, which is swallowed up by the GST component.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:40AM
    • Oh but laugh you did. Handy link below for your viewing pleasure. LOL.
      catallaxyfiles.com/2013/02/15/fact-checking-the-tax-free-threshold/

      Commenter
      Janey
      Location
      Bathurst
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:49AM
    • JT, back in 2011, the tax threshold was $6,000, with a 15% rate on income exceeding that threshold. LITO however also applied (Low income tax offset) at $1500 through to $37,000. The the Government came along and tripled the tax threshold to $18,200, but in doing so, increased the first marginal tax band rate to 19%, and reduced LITO to $445 through to $37,000.

      So, now if you have a low income of (for example) $30,000, then back in 2011, you would have been assessed for PAYG at $3,600, but when this was offset against LITO, the net tax would have reduced to $2,100.

      Now, in 2013, using the same example, taxwould be assessed at $2,280, but when offset against LITO, this would reduce to net tax of $1,835.

      The overall reduction between the years therefore is $265, NWS the tax threshold having triple under RGR.

      Smoke and mirrors -- smoke and mirrors.

      There has been some marginal gain, but nowhere near as much as either you or Labor would otherwise seek to suggest.

      And then, once you get above $37,000, the marginal rate increases to 32.5% (previously, 30%).

      Commenter
      Grant
      Location
      Mitcham
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:51AM
    • Jt
      "ALP increased tax free threshold to $18000 from $6000. Did you miss that one as compensation?"
      You are the one who needs a new accountant.
      If you get no compensation from the Govt for the Carbon Tax you receive no extra income form the increase in the tax free threshold as the ALP adjusted the tax rates to ensure that those who got no carbon compensation didn't receive extra from the increase in the threshold.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:59AM
    • Pensioners have never been given a fair increase in their pension by any political party over the last 25 years. Over the last 25 years I have recognised that fact and worked very hard to provide a self funded retirement in future and not rely on the pension. Any self funded retirees are now living off low interest rates but can pay very low tax related to the tax free threshold increase. The pension is in a different category along with Newstart and will probably remain lower under LNP.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:05PM
    • What if I had a low income of $18000? Would I be better off with a tax free threshold of $18200 or $6000? Perhaps you may like to re calculate to see if I could afford a $300 pa increase in my electricity bill as compensation?

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:24PM
    • under your figures grant.......if I earned $18000 in 2011 I would pay $1800 in tax, but now in 2013 I pay zero, zilch, no tax. ie I am $1800 better off and have $1800 to use as compensation. This would especially apply to many living off fixed interest and paying tax on the interest. Its called compensation.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:51PM
  • Maybe Rudd needs to debate Smooth FM's Glenn Daniel as David Bradbury couldn't put 2 words together about interest rates - a bit of a worry for Australia - after all he is assistant treasurer!

    Commenter
    Genghis
    Location
    Lounge
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 10:17AM
    • that is one funny, but very worrying interview, How Bradbury is such a position is one of Australias great mysteries.

      Commenter
      Jackie
      Location
      Prahran
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:26AM
    • David Bradbury is the Steven Bradbury of politics. He only ended up assistant treasurer because a huge chunk of cabinet resigned.

      Commenter
      Art
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:50AM
  • Does the show pony Dudd only do schools these day?

    Commenter
    ultra
    Location
    Mel
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 10:14AM
    • he likes telling kids how is a kokoda survivor

      Commenter
      Jackie
      Location
      Prahran
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:34AM
    • TA is going from factory to factory hoping one would finally say the Carbon Tax has actually affected business.

      Commenter
      mtb
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:49AM
    • Jackie you can bet your life that Rudd won't put a foot on a university campus?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:49AM
    • Rudds gotta remember adults vote not kids

      Commenter
      no its kokoda track
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:59AM
    • mtb

      So factory's actually converse with politicians in your neck of the woods, heh?

      Great syntax?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:15AM
    • Pen, your correction (of sense, rather than syntax, actually) is most appropriate, but spoiled somewhat by the apostrophe in an attempted plural. Too much wood chopping?

      Commenter
      bratman
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:11PM
  • Notice how Rudd only ventures into schools (the younger the kids the better), shopping centres and government funded projects for his announcements and photo opportunities (bit like Gillard before him), but it is only Abbott who also goes into factories, manufacturing plants and small businesses?

    Pretty good indicator of Labor's economic credentials and how business view this Labor government.

    Sums it up perfectly.

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 10:12AM
    • Tony goes for babies (see photo on this page).....more on his verbal skills level.....school age children are far too advanced. Someone in one of those manufacturing process industries might give Tony a job after September.....the only forward thinking I can detect from him.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:19AM
    • Yes, Rudd and Labor are supporting the future of this country through better education and other services.

      Abbott believes in giving free advertising to Liberal Party supporters who open up their businesses to photo ops and glib attacks on the government.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:21AM
    • Tim....My understanding is he needs to use up all those Hi-vis. vests Toll Holdings has donated. Well considering he was quoted a businesses carbon charge at $4.8 million the other day when it was in fact $500,000 he needs to spend more time reading and developing policy than playing Jack of all trades Master of none.

      Commenter
      Bronwyn Bishop for speaker
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:37AM
  • I remind all of experts here that it was Labor under Gillard who announced a reduction in company tax. So you can can hardly scream about Abbott stance on company tax.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 10:11AM
    • and it was Keating who first introduced the idea of a GST a very good part of tax reform. If the ALP first mentioned a company tax break, then the LNP have just copied good economic policy from the ALP

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:27AM
    • We can when the result is another $5 billion in the red. Labor promised that before we had a revenue shortfall in the budget.

      It's the Liberals promising it in the current economic climate that is the disgrace.

      The Liberals are now $55 billion in the red. Someone's going to have to pay for it. It'll be all of us, not his rich mates.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:27AM
    • Pen;
      and it was the libs and greens who knocked it back.
      Why? Because....just because.....um...just because they could.
      Same logic used now by libs.
      *It will be better under us just because it is* - which does not work as a pickup line. They tend to screw things badly

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:33AM
    • JT, after the GST was introduced, the Labor Party realised just how regressive the GST actually was, and so they declared that it was regressive and that they would never increase it. There have never ever been statements like that from the Liberals. Every now and then the Liberals accidently let slip that their game plan is to eventually increase the GST.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:39AM
    • Tone, the Libs are $55b in the red? These days, your mob gets more in the red $1b per week it seems.

      Commenter
      Grendel
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:54AM
    • tone....Keating/ Hawke knew the GST was regressive back then, but they also saw how it benefitted the average joe blo in time because it would replace the regressive and high sales tax. It made very good sense also to not include food which we will have to give credit to Howard that he didn't also include food. I don't imagine the far right of the LNP who control Abbott will not include food in future.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:59AM
    • Dream on JT, it wasn't the Coalition that forced the exclusion of foot, it was the Democrats. The Democrats were meant to block the legislation if it was bad for us. They let it through and it killed their party.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:07AM
    • Sorry tone...the gst is very good economics and was originally part of keatings/Hawkes big economic reform agendas...they should have introduced it rather than Libs. That way they could have had the record for all major economic reforms but now the LNP have one, but they copied that one. Can't think of any other they have implemented and I certainly can't see any coming out of the LNP now.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:35AM
    • Hey Pen, good point, but then if we use your logic for that argument, should we not bother placing any Kudos on Rudd for now bringing back the Pacific solution that was in place when he came to power and removed and has now put back in, interesting to hear your comment on that one.

      Commenter
      Peter G
      Location
      Drummoyne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 2:01PM
  • And when is either side going to mention Affordable Housing, Housing stress or Homelessness? Or are they going to sweep these growing issues under the carpet as "too hard"?

    Commenter
    Thuulstrea
    Location
    Perth
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 9:57AM
    • Doug Cameron about summed up those issues on Q&A. Checkout iView.
      The opposition don't even have a policy on homelessness etc. Maybe they don't vote as they don't have an address, so they don't matter.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:54PM
  • What the Fibs mean with this company tax reduction, is that by making it easier for owners of wealth to make even more money, everyone can have a job.

    Yipee!

    It’s just those jobs will be at the Oz equivalence of Bangladeshi sweat shop rates of pay – by that I don’t mean $2 a day, but - if you are not one of lucky professionals with a gift of the gab and a propensity to want to rip people off - for you to just earn enough to pay rent and buy food – for you to have no disposable income.
    In other words you get 1) No benefit in being an Australian 2) No benefit in productivity increases over the last 20 years and c) No benefit whatsoever from the resources such as mining Australia has.
    Already we low pay employees are being undermined by massive levels of immigration. This is something both parties use immigration for – a majority end up in jobs at the low end, the servant end, but as conditions are better than where they came from, they know no better, so they accept low rates, don’t join unions and don’t complain about abusive employers.

    This is the true class warfare, that Howard created.

    Commenter
    jimhaz
    Location
    Occupy Cronyist Governments
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 9:55AM
  • Hockey is doing a fantastic job wrecking ABBO's chance of winning.
    Joe's 3 word SLOGAN - I don't believe.....
    Joe's thinks lower interest rates is not great.
    Joe's GST admission is a ticking time bomb.
    Joe's robbing Peter to pay Paul by slugging 'BIG' business to fund the parental leave scheme and then promise lower company taxes appears contradictory.
    With a Secret Weapon like Joe; who needs enemies.
    Time to place Joe under wraps.
    Cannot wait for more double talk when Chris and Joe square off on a economic debate unless Joe renege just as ABBO's reneging on debating his Opponent.

    Commenter
    JOE's DOUBLE Speak
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 9:49AM
  • Quote from the LNP press statement on the company tax cut policy:

    "We are confident that the company tax cut will deliver some partially offsetting benefits to the Budget bottom line over the medium term."

    Are they taking us all for ignorant fools?

    Whether you want to believe the Treasury forecasts or not, they are still a legitimate and reasoned attempt to explain AND QUANTIFY where the offsets are coming from for Government spending.

    But the Opposition is just proposing an airy, fairy, nonsense offset and they cannot even put a dollar figure to it.

    And not one of the highly trained journalists following this circus has commented. Pathetic.

    Commenter
    Whyalla Wipeout
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 9:47AM
  • you really have to laugh at these campaign events at factories and schools. They are so pointless and yet the travelling media pack have to soak up every single second. I love seeing a cameraman in a hairnet! I mean really what's the point?

    Commenter
    atombomb
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 9:45AM
  • Company Tax is set at 30% and feeds wholly into future dividend imputation /franking credits. Any shortfall between frankig credits and personal tax rates is topped up at the personal tax level. So, for as long as thereare 100% dividend payout ratios in play, the change is one of timing, not amount.

    Of lesser value (to business, but not to Government) however are the current and carry forward tax losses which would now reduce from 30% to 28.5%.

    Equally so, losses previously reflected at 30% would, in going forward only be clawed back /allowed for at 28.5%.

    The question therefore abounds as to what real extent there is any real or enduring funding gap, as with dividend imputation and carry forward tax losses, and increasingly higher dividend payout ratios, the real gap is much, much less.

    After all, if someone on 40% has franking credits @30%, they then pay an extra 10% in personal income tax. Fast forward this to 28.5%, then the franking counts for 28.5% and personal income tax counts for 11.5%. Therefore, higher personal contributions apply at the back end.

    Commenter
    Grant
    Location
    Mitcham
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 9:44AM
  • Great that Tony Abbott will take questions from social media - does this count?

    How and when will Kevin Rudd pay off the $300bn of debt accumulated under the ALP Govt of the last 6 years?

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Labor party La La Land
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 9:43AM
  • When asked about consumption taxes, Bill Gates said that there is only so much one can consume. Add to this the fact that many of the rich are able to claim GST back on any purchases made through company structures, and you will realise that the tax burden is clearly pushed on to the middle and lower classes.

    When a rich person actually does buy an item, they are paying considerably less tax than a poor person as a percentage of their income.

    Say a rich person earning $300,000 per year wants to buy a $60,000 Holden. The tax on the $60,000 Holden would be $6000. That's 2% of their income.

    Now take a poor person earning $20,000 per year who saves and saves and saves and wants to buy the same Holden. The poor person would pay 30% of their income as tax.

    The GST is a regressive tax. It shifts the tax burden from the rich to the middle class and makes the poor suffer considerably.

    Commenter
    Tone
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 9:42AM
    • The poor person should buy a car commensurate with his or her income. What's wrong with that? What god gave the poor person to buy anything above their ability to pay?

      If you earn less, you have to adjust your expectations.

      If you earn more, you can afford me. Because you EARNED your money.

      Commenter
      Fiona Matheson
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:21PM
    • Actually, the rich person should just pay their fair share of tax, you know, due to the fact that society has given them all the opportunities they have to become rich. Taxing income is fair. Replacing it with GST is regressive.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:58PM
    • Tone, aren't the "rich" paying higher personal tax rates? They're already doing their share on money they EARNED.

      Do you know what "earned" means? It means they deserve it because they worked or invested for it. You make it seem as if it is a sin to earn money.

      Everyone should pull their weight when it comes to tax. The rich are already pulling their weight through paying higher taxes.

      Commenter
      Fiona Matheson
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:11PM
    • And so they should Fiona.

      This is tax we're talking about, not income. They can make as much income as they like, but in this country, if they earn income, they pay a proportion of income to the tax man, like everyone else.

      It's a fair system, as people who have been given the opportunity to earn the income should pay for the system that allowed them to earn it.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:20PM
    • Fiona (2.21pm) - you might want to amend the 1st sentence of your final paragraph! And on a more serious note, the proposition that earniing more is purely due to working harder or more productively, that amount of faith in market price for labour is a little dubious. Does someone short-selling shares or playingthe foreign exchange market 'contribute' more than than a child-care worker, a nurse or a construction labourer? Good luck to them, but there's nothing wrong with expecting a return to society through paying a bigger proportion in taxes.

      Commenter
      bratman
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:59PM
    • Oh thanks. Meant to write, "more", not "me". Haha.

      So, Tone, you admit that the rich are already paying more taxes than the poor. Thanks.

      Since people already pay more taxes the more they earn - the money they spend has already been taxed according to their earning capacity. There is thus no reason to increase their taxes with a sliding scale consumption tax.

      bratman, anyone who places his or her money at risk investing in shares, even if shorting, deserves to get the rewards for that risk. If shorting is economically bad, why doesn't the government ban it? That's right - it provides liquidity to the market.

      The examples of low-paid workers are lowly paid for a reason - society doesn't think they deserve to be paid more.

      Commenter
      Fiona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 2:43PM
  • Oh No. Wayne Swan has added his two bobs worth.
    Someone tell him he is not an asset to Labor

    Commenter
    yys
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 9:40AM
  • It is interesting to note the current state of play on where Rudd, and his crew, have been caught lying in this campaign. So far we have had false allegations about GST increases, lies about the Nauru resettlement of refugees, lies about the alleged $70 billion budget blackhole in policy that hasnt been released and therefore cant be assessed and lies about the LNP NBN costs. Not bad for a few days eh? Clearly someone to trust..... NOT

    Commenter
    Todays count
    Location
    Perth
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 9:33AM
    • Classic Coalition denial and lies.

      The GST increase is not a lie. It will happen. If it happened when a previous Opposition leader said 'never, ever', then it will certainly happen when the current (don't believe me unless it is written in blood) says 'there are no planS'.

      If the Opposition is not $70 billion short of paying for its promises, what is it? $20 billion, $100 billion, nil?

      We don't know because they won't produce costings. You may not trust the Treasury estimates but at least they are something to test.

      The Opposition's answer to the Public Service estimate is to say 'trust us'. That is like not going to the cancer specialist because she has not been able to save all her patients and going to the snake oil 'alternative cure' salesman instead.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:17AM
    • Abbott said they won't raise it today but then went on to say it will be "on the table" as part of their tax reforms if election.

      He can't be trusted and that came from his own mouth too.

      Commenter
      Neal
      Location
      Cairns
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:56AM
    • Neal, he actually said he won't raise it this coming term, but may put it to the people at the next election. You can't be fairer than that, can you?

      At least he consults and asks the electorate to decide. We decide on whether we want to increase the GST or not.

      Commenter
      Mike
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 3:00PM
  • Hacka, Murdoch has power only if fools listen to him. Murdoch is not god, even if LNP supporters and you think he is. Labor supporters and swinging voters are a little more savvy than that.

    Commenter
    mtb
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 9:32AM
    • It is amazing that people here complain that Murdoch influences people, he doesn't, Murdoch influences sheep. The people of the bible are described by the writers of the bible as sheep, they follow the flock and the flock follows the shepherd (bishop). The people of the bible were simple thinking folk living simple lives in simple technological times. One would like to believe that we are not so simple minded as those of the bible, however, if some are influenced by headlines of "KICK THIS MOB OUT" without ascertaining the facts to make a considered decision then what are they?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:54AM
  • It's a total joke that Abbott and Hockey are reducing the company tax rate when Multi-nationals in Australia are allowed to take their profits overseas without paying tax!!!!

    Commenter
    Whatsnext??
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 9:28AM
  • Heard Wong on the ABC this morning asking exactly how Mr Abbott planned to pay back all the debt. Er... Penny.. what's your plan love.. your budgets aren't worth a pinch of the proverbial and the ALP created all the debt. Not a single surplus Penny. Obviously Abbott's fault. It reminds me of the QLD election when Bligh effectively asked Newman to explain how he was going to do anything when there was actually no money left and huge debt.

    Commenter
    Puzzled
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 9:22AM
    • We know what the Government plan is. It was published last Friday by the Treasurer.

      Even if you don't want to believe the Treasury figures, they are better than nothing, film-flam, and figure-free guesses of the never-never, which is all that the Opposition is offering to us.

      Apparently the view of people like you is similar to the sick person who trusts the snake oil salesman because the doctor with three degrees in medicine has not always been right.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:50AM
  • ABBO's Baby Kissing Stunt to attract voters backfired on him.
    Congratulations to the kid who has sense to see through this shallow attempt to grab more votes.
    Not surprise that ABBO's Look does not appeal to the young just as his policies are unattractive to intelligent voters.

    Commenter
    KIDS KNOW BEST
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 9:20AM
  • If the GST was increased so would the increase of fraud. Fraud can only be stopped by including items that are GST free such as education, health costs, and fresh food. However if the GST included food it would raise about $6 billion taking total receipts to $56 billion, but then those on low incomes would have to compensated. If GST includes health and education basically all one is doing is collecting the additional tax in one hand and paying out with the other hand as these services are run by state governments. In addition the states would have to cut other taxes such as stamp duty, because the states are already double dipping.

    The other problem is GST receipts have been falling in recent years as savings increase and household expenditure decreases due to the GFC effect.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 9:13AM
    • The Fibs will say OK, we’ve removed the non event Carbon Tax and as the ALP already raised the tax free threshold to cater for the CT, we will let you keep that, but give you the barest minimum, a farcical adjustment to rates to cater for the extra 5% GST and the new items under GST.

      In other words they’ll lie and cheat the low income earners, as is their fundamental policy.

      Commenter
      jimhaz
      Location
      Occupy Cronyist Governments
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:59AM
    • Accusing others of fibbing and then making things up yourself seems a tad hypocritical, don't you think?

      Commenter
      Georgina
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:02PM
  • Meanwhile good old Rupes gets the ball rolling by running with his Wabbott's and hunting with his hound dogs.

    Commenter
    Geronimo
    Location
    Yippee Yi Yo
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 9:10AM
  • Congratulations to Stumbles Hockey and Mumbles Abbott for clearly displaying the logos of their *sponsors* at press conferences. Seeing the names of these companies helps me refine down my list of acceptable product suppliers.

    Commenter
    David D
    Location
    Ettalong Beach
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 9:10AM
    • David, you are going to be going pretty hungry and thirsty if you are boycotting Australian food and beverage manufacturing companies who support the Coalition - which is pretty much all of them. Don't despair, you can always buy all the expensive imported stuff if you want to run your one man protest against the Coalition.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:52AM
    • Tim;
      home brew,
      home made stew,
      only one leg,
      only one shoe.
      as you probably surmised,
      the missing leg gives me a distinct left lean.
      unlike TA, no forecast of humble pie on my menu

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:23AM
  • Abbott claims his tax cut is funded from $17 billion of savings already announced.

    I'm pretty sure that he never explained what those $17 billion of savings were, just that he claimed he was going to make them.

    If he had already explained them- and not used them to fund other promises- then it should be easy to remind us all of what they are, right?

    Commenter
    Arky
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 8:56AM
    • This whole idea that the Coalition can manage an economy is turning into a real joke. Any economic credentials the Liberals had left with Peter Costello. They have no one left. That's why the Liberals can be $50 billion in the red and still promise another $5 billion of waste. They don't think they need to be credible anymore. They think people will just believe everything they say. What a bunch of frauds.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:14AM
    • Apparently, the offsetting savings are all baked into a magic pudding.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:15AM
    • Most likely social security reductions, streamlined public service, reduction in infrastructure spend, higher consumption taxes etc.

      Commenter
      Opinion Only
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:17AM
    • The economic credentials of the Libs are starting to crumble, just as Labor are hoping. "Trust us" won't be enough, I'm afraid.

      Commenter
      Peter
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:32AM
    • Listening to labor people lecture the coalition on economic responsibility is akin to the captain of the Concordia lecturing on boat safety. Neither can be taken seriously as both have massive credibility issues, especially after labor lost another $15 billion just months after the last budget.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:51AM
    • That's my point kp - neither the Liberals nor Labor are any good at economic management. The difference is that the Liberals have every intention of going ahead and screwing the general population anyway and rewarding the rich.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:05AM
    • There's a difference between the budget changing because the economy is doing worse than expected and flat out having a hole in your budget to start off with.

      Australia can't do anything about the fact that its major trading partners are doing worse than expected, and the ALP can't do anything about business confidence in Australia being worse than in places like Italy (you can thank the media and the Coalition's scare campaigns for that).

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:07AM
    • @tone, I was talking about the captain of the concordia and labor being the same, not the liberals and labor.

      This election is not about Krudd the celebrity, it is (as a friend told me) about what labor has done to the country and what the coalition can do for Australia. And let's face it, labor has economically vandalised the country.

      The coalition are the safer hands.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:51AM
    • KP
      You would appear not to have done a lot of reading lately. John Howard and his government have outspend any other government since the 2nd World War.
      http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australias-most-wasteful-spending-came-in-howard-era-finds-imf-20130110-2cj38.html

      Commenter
      DWM
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 2:04PM
    • @DWN, spending money is not the problem, wastful spending however is a massive problem.

      The reason tax revenues were high during the Howard years was because business was booming due to the government spending money in the right places to stimulate the economy via business.

      I also read somewhere where Andrew Bolt had a different opinion to you backed up by facts also from the IMF - does this mean we are all wrong, or that just because it was written, does not make it so.

      I would trust a coalition government to spend money wisely to stimulate the economy which in turn helps to grow jobs. Labor knows how to spend money, just not wisely and certainly not for the long term.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 2:27PM
  • Mr Abbott is being asked where the money to fund the company tax cut would come from.
    It's in the kitty, he says.

    Does this mean his cat ate the money?

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 8:53AM
    • JT
      Thanks for that one, good to have some light relief

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:37AM
    • Nice one, very funny.
      Unfortunately, it just means "trust us" as we are the honest growups and the only ones who can reduce the D&D (debt and deficit). They are still hoping to slip into "gummint" before anyone notices, but the next 4.5 weeks will show them the folly of that strategy....

      Commenter
      Peter
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:51AM
    • It's only $5b apparently, so why worry? Labor doesn't tell you that they go further in the red by $1b per week, do they?

      Labor doesn't ask you when it goes in the red $1b per week, do they?

      The Coalition has already said that the
      will only do the tax cut when they can afford it. That's a whole lot better than Labor who does things even when they can't afford it.

      Commenter
      Rodrigo
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:51PM
  • "There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"

    "There will be no GST increase under a governmentI lead"

    Hmmm.......

    Commenter
    NeoCon II
    Location
    Coming in for landing
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 8:52AM
    • "I think it would be folly to expect that women will ever dominate or even approach equal representation in a large number of areas simply because their aptitudes, abilities and interests are different for physiological reasons" - Tony Abbott

      "If it's true, Stavros, that men have more power, generally speaking, than women, is that a bad thing?" - Tony Abbott

      "Non-core promises" - John Howard

      Come on, pretending that the Coalition have never lied or backflipped on policy and that Gillard backflipping on the carbon tax when stuck in minority government with the Greens is the most heinous thing ever is ridiculous.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:14AM
    • We have no plans....

      Please parse carefully. They may not have 'plans', but I bet they have ONE very big plan!

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:16AM
    • "Interest rates will always be lower under the coalition"

      "The economy will always be stronger under the coalition"

      Hmmm.....

      Commenter
      Professional Progressive
      Location
      Already on the ground
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:33AM
  • Can someone tell Swan that he and his views are no longer relevant - This is a man who declared 4 surplus budgets in his 2012 budget! Hope the good people Lilley vote this fool out.

    Commenter
    Pawel
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 8:51AM
    • Ironically if he was still Treasurer under Gillard he would have (rightfully) lost his seat - it looks like the change to Rudd may get him across the line....funny how these things turn out

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:42AM
  • "There will be no GST rise under a government i lead" has a vaguely familiar ring to it ....

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 8:43AM
    • The Labor Party aren't interested in increasing GST. That's firmly the Coalition's domain. Howard introduced the GST, which was the biggest tax in Australian history, and Labor have since called it a regressive tax and have said that they will never increase it. The GST benefits the rich at the expense of the middle class, which is exactly why the Liberals, who represent the rich, love it.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:08AM
    • Yes, Hacka, and there is no qualification to it, for the Liberal party and its tame dog journalist pack to leave out (unlike another, grossly misreported, statement).

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:23AM
    • Tone, the Labor party clearly aren't interested in balancing the budget, which is part of the reason why their economic credentials are in tatters.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:36AM
    • Yes, hauntingly familiar to the "never ever" GST...

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:41AM
    • Tone,
      I believe the first proponent of a GST in Australia was a labour treasurer - Mr Keating. but I agree the current labour government does not seem to have any plans. That will not stop them from a scare campaign on the LNP boogey man however.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:44AM
    • The scary thing is that they had to come out and say it. If they weren't even contemplating a rise why even mention it. Smells very much like that imfamous phrase "there will be no Carbon Tax under a Government I lead", be afraid, be very afraid.

      Commenter
      thatmosis
      Location
      Isis Central
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:05AM
    • Takes us all the way back to "by 1990, no Australian child will live in poverty".

      Was Hawke one of Rudd's heroes ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:07AM
    • The other thing is that the Liberal Lovers here seem to have got Rudd confused with Howard. It was John Howard who used to say one thing and then you knew he was going to implement the exact opposite. It's why they called him Honest John. It was sarcasm.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:22AM
    • Yes it does, wasn't it John Howard

      Commenter
      Blowie
      Location
      Kiama
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:11AM
    • Tone - Aussie voters elected Johnny H four times. How do you explain that ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:29AM
    • Hacka - Ignorance.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:37AM
    • Thanks Tone - so are you saying that only people of higher intelligence vote for Labor ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:00PM
    • Actually Hacka, it is perhaps more appropriate to say "the general population are stupid." I have no problem with saying that there are stupid people voting for Labor as well. I don't give my $2.47 first preference vote to either Liberal or Labor. They're both a disgrace, but unlike you, I see Liberals as a bigger disgrace because they have every intention of undermining the standard of living that underpins our way of life.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:14PM
    • Hacka so you're concluding that only people of low intelligence vote non-Labor?

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:27PM
    • No tasch2, but that could explain the Green vote !

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:16PM
  • The interest rate cut will stimulate private sector spending and bring a lower dollar which makes business more competitive if they export. How is this a bad thing? It will lead to all that is good with an economy.

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 8:40AM
    • Not necessarily in recent times household spending has decreased despite numerous cuts in interest rates: 6 cuts since March 2013. People are also saving more because of GFC effect. So there is little reason to suspect that this latest cut will stimulate spending when the previous 5 cuts did not.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:23AM
    • In a sad indictment of the volatility and uncontrollable nature of our dollar, while Glenn seems to be able to talk it down, economic fundamentals don't seem to matter. On the announcement of reduced RBA rates the dollar went up against the greenback. Go figure.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:25AM
    • Don't be so negative pen....it's all the RBA have to try and get you lot to spend your money again....or the govt has expansionary fiscal policy, which it has now, not slash and burn.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:42AM
    • dcs, the reason why the dollar went up was that the market had already priced in the interest rate cut, as almost every economist was predicting it. Further, unlike after the previous RBA meeting, there was no indication that a further rate was in the pipeline.

      So the players on the market thinks that it is more likely to stay the same for some time and other factors come in to play.

      For all that, the rise was quite small and indicates that the dollar will stay in this range for the time being.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:57AM
  • Can someone please explain how increasing the GST while decreasing the company tax will help keep the cost of living down?

    Commenter
    Peter A
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 8:32AM
    • Easy - stop buying unnecessary products and you will not incur the GST. More incentive to save.

      Commenter
      Pawel
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 8:54AM
    • Easy, be rich or a high income earner or a company.

      Commenter
      jofek
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:04AM
    • Pawel, the people who buy the most unnecessary products are, by definition, the people who have the most discretionary spending power.

      Discretionary spending is what is left after the necessities (such as clothing) are paid for.

      The GST is clearly a regressive tax because everyone (rich and poor) have to pay for necessities, but only the richer can legitimately avoid the GST by not buying 'unnecessary' products.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:22AM
  • The headline should read Labor again squibs on any meaningful attempt to reform our stupidly complex tax system.

    Commenter
    Fred
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 8:31AM
  • Re: Spot the Difference at 10.20am post

    Look one of the infants is wearing a tie!

    Commenter
    Halfback
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 8:30AM
    • But who has the higher IQ?

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 8:45AM
    • The kid wearing crocs, he's got all-weather shoes....

      Commenter
      Hafback
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:16AM
  • No surprises from the LNP - GST Up, Company Tax Down.

    Business wins Workers lose.

    Commenter
    zacca
    Location
    adelaide
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 8:26AM
    • Can we see proof please, or are you simply indulging speculation for the sake of lying for Labor?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 8:42AM
    • Just more lies from the ALP.
      The GST rate can only be changed with the support of all the state Govts and the Federal Govt.
      But lets not the facts get in the way of a good lie.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 8:43AM
    • It's like Rudds lie he keeps parroting that the Coalition have a 70 billion dollar black hole. It was proved incorrect. But he keeps parroting it anyway.

      Commenter
      Rick
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:18AM
    • Scenario: GST up?? Vic and WA have already asked LNP to widen scope of GST to food...LNP say they will hold an enquiry into it.....probably led by Peter Costello. Any guesses to the outcome? Business pays lower tax but pays levy for wealthy female parental leave.....business loses, workers lose.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:31AM
    • terry: the states will NEVER say no to a GST rise because it will potentially benefit them and they don't have to carry any political fallout. THere's no barrier there.

      Commenter
      Think Big
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:48AM
    • yea Rick, the Coalition only have a $50 billion black hole. It's bigger than the cost of the NBN. That's all. And now they are promising another $5 billion to cut company tax. The Liberal Party are frauds.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:09AM
    • How is the Labor $200b black hole going, Tone? I hear it's growing by $1b per week.

      I already read in The Australian today that the NBN cost has blown out by $5b. You don't mind that blow out, it seems.

      Commenter
      Jerry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:14PM
    • No I don't Jerry, as I see that the alternative is worse. At least in the NBN case, the general population are the beneficiaries. In the Coalition's case, it's their rich mates.

      The NBN will give ordinary Australians the ability to produce content and publish it online far better and cheaper than anything that went before. Rupert doesn't want us to be able to compete with him on that

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:25PM
  • The Labor Party is very happy that the Coalition did its job for it and brought in the GST. They would love the Coalition to increase it for them after the election if Labor loses.

    Whatever happened to "Rollback"?

    Commenter
    David Morrison
    Location
    Blue Mountains
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 8:23AM
  • My view is that the Coalition’s is right on the state of the economy. The interest rate cut is not necessarily good news overall. Banks are fighting for a smaller pool of new borrowers, with the annual growth of outstanding home loans falling to the slowest pace since at least 1977. The annual rate was 4.9% as of July, compared with about 7% in 2006; therefore, our banks have less money to fund investments.

    Also of concern is our GDP growth rate which has been in decline for the last 17 months. Low economic growth with a growing population results in higher unemployment levels, which are according to the Morgan poll at 9.7% and not 5.7% as claimed by Labor. Even government revised unemployment of 6.25% underestimates the true situation in line with Morgan.

    Irrespective of the number unemployment is predicted to skyrocket over the following two years and beyond, in particular as government revenues fall by an estimated $33 billion over the next four years.

    Employment will also be affected by the slump in commodity prices, which are anticipated to a fall next year with a decline of 5.75%. Expected annual economic growth has also been marked down to 2.5%. from 2.75%.

    In essence Labor has been in control of the economy for the last six years during which it has wasted billions on failed and dumped policies when fiscal reality set in. We would undoubtedly be in far better shape had Labor shown more fiscal responsibility instead of second guessing economic forecasts and more borrowings based on speculation.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 8:22AM
    • When you say that the banks have less money to fund investments- the same banks making record profits- you kind of undermine your credibility.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 8:53AM
    • Arky

      Our 4 major banks are the most profitable in the world they are so because they invest at times of maximising profit? Are you suggesting that under Labor fiscal policy of uncertainty they can invest wisely?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:33AM
    • Pen
      You give the banks too much credit. They are profitable because they are protected within a ologopolistic market where the customers have few viable alternatives and they are able to extract amazing economic rents. They prove this market power by not having been tocuhed by recent economic events, unlike their business and consumer customers. One gouorp that I bet will not see a reduction in interest rates is credit card holders. with most Australians living with some form of revolving domestic debt the banks are laughing at an interest margin of over 14%.

      Commenter
      dcs
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:52AM
    • It would be in Rudd’s best interest to see unemployment rise, as he is likely to lose the election, resign from politics and join his wife in growing the family business of providing unemployment support to the unemployed, funded by the tax payer dollars.
      The service that Centrelink should and could provide at half the cost.
      With his payout, family business in full swing, he will most likely get himself some half baked diplomatic role and continue the travelling and wasting more taxpayers money.
      Will he ever do anything for this nation ??? Or is it Me ME ME

      Commenter
      Kev the Great
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:54AM
  • The Coalition has no plans whatsoever to change the GST. This has been repeated many many times.
    The PM is prosecuting the case that the Coalition will change the GST.
    PM says "no GST changes" under a govt I lead - don't those words sound familiar to no carbon tax under a govt I lead

    Commenter
    Baltic13
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 8:18AM
    • Can you define 'no plans'? The Opposition are very careful in choosing their weasel words. 'No plans' certainly does not mean 'We definitely won't do it'.

      Given their history, it is very clear that the Opposition will raise the GST, given half a chance. The fact that Abbott himself has not been sitting at his dining table mapping out a process on graph paper with an hour-by-hour calculator, means nothing.

      Remember, Tony was the guy who said you can't believe me unless it is written in blood. And even then, can you believe him?

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 8:43AM
    • Rudd is planning to jack up the GST, you wait.

      Commenter
      Harris
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:07AM
    • No Harris, the GST has always been a Liberal Party agenda item. Labor have always said that they will not increase GST because it's a regressive tax. The Liberals love regressive taxes, because they reward the rich at the expense of the middle class.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:22AM
    • "NO plans" doesn't mean "We will not do it"
      Plans can change. Commitments shouldn't. If TOny could just say he will Never, Ever raise the GSt, then that would be a good promise..oh wait...Maybe not

      Commenter
      atombomb
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:56AM
    • Tone - Rudd will increase the GST. You can't trust them.
      That's the response you get when Abbott says he won't increase the GST.

      Commenter
      Neil
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:58AM
    • Consider it this way then. Which party is more likely to increase the GST, based on history - the Liberal Party, who introduced that massive tax and have never denied that they love it, or the Labor Party, who call it a regressive tax and have said that they will never increase it? The probability of the Liberal Party increasing the GST is magnitudes higher than Labor. And Rudd isn't John Howard. He doesn't say one thing and then implement the exact opposite. That's the Liberal party's Honest John Howard's mode of operation.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:37AM
    • The probability that the Coalition will increase the GST without broading consultation and putting it to the people is ZERO.

      Because history shows that they put it to the people in the first place.

      Commenter
      Jackson
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 2:44PM
  • In Jonathan Swan's piece about Joe Hockey's reference to the GST in the AFR, he opens by referring to Rudd's promise not to raise the GST being like Gillard's promise on the carbon tax.

    Really?

    Liberal Party people who talk about Fairfax being biased towards the ALP, there's your counterargument.

    Commenter
    Arky
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 8:16AM
  • I don't get "Jonathon Swan has the details of the Coalition slip up regarding the GST".
    I've read the article and heard the Coaltions response this morning and I can't find the "slip up". Kevin Rudd has said this morning that Abbott is going to increase the GST. That appears to be the "slip up". as the Coaltion have already come out this morning saying that is totally untrue and they have no intention of raising the GST. Please explain how this is a "slip up" by the Coalition?.

    Commenter
    June
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 8:16AM
    • The Coalition have also been known to say that certain towns would be wiped off the map and a roast dinner would cost $100.00.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 8:26AM
    • Joe Hockey did not never ever rule it out, after all he is the Shadow Treasurer not Abbott. Abbott says what King Rupert the Stupert tells him to say.

      Commenter
      Johno
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 8:29AM
    • Read the article. Joe Hockey said in an interview with the Australian Financial Review that a GST rise would be "part of the equation" for a Coalition government. Naturally the Coalition are now rushing to say it totally isn't.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 8:36AM
    • They didn't say they had 'no intention'. They said they had 'no plans'. There is a big difference even though both are weasel terms.

      From the party that gave you never, ever, can you believe either version?

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:25AM
    • What's wrong with saying the Coalition has no plans to change the GST?

      They also said that they would take any tax changes to the electorate at the next election. How wrong it is to let us decide - shouldn't be allowed.

      Of course the GST should be part of the equation when it comes to examining the tax system. That's what it is meant.

      Commenter
      Darren James
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:14PM
    • For the record, I would like to state categorically, as the fact of the matter as outlined in my detailed programmatic speficity, that further to recent discussions ad nauseum I have no plans to run for Parliament as the Member for Luna Park. So that does not mean I will contest the seat of Luna Park, it just means I have no plans. And whilst we are discussing plans, I also have no plans to fly to the moon, marry Nigella Lawson and find a cure for the common cold. Thankyou and good day.

      Commenter
      Steve Deakin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:32PM
    • Gillard had no plans to impose a carbon tax either, but she did.

      Commenter
      MichaelK
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 2:36PM
  • Pathetic start to the LNP campaign: "we have a six point plan to stop the boats.....Tony....Tony.....when are you going to come up with the other 5 and tell me?" There is nothing of any substance there at all....

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 8:12AM
    • 1.Six
      2.Point
      3.Plan
      4.Stop
      5.The
      6.Boats

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 8:27AM
    • Here's another one:

      1. We
      2. Will
      3. Turn
      4. Around
      5. The
      6. Boats

      Commenter
      Peter A
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 8:35AM
    • The rest of the 5 points solution is obviously still in the boat. One just needs to go and look in one of these Boats...voila....there they are. It's a game that the Liberals like to play...The Amazing Liberal Race. One goes from boat to boat and receive the next set of instructions. I believe Mr Abbott just found the second clue...cut company tax...off to the next boat.

      Commenter
      The Amazing Race
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:02AM
    • For all those blinded by your Labor blinkers, let me assist you with the Coalition's 6 point plan (not that you want to read it)...

      1.Issue protocols for Relex II to turn back the boats where safe to do so
      2. Commence increasing capacity at offshore processing centres
      3. Commence leasing and deploying additional vessels to relieve patrol vessels of passenger transfers
      4. Conduct ministerial visits to Indonesia, PNG, Sri Lanka and Nauru to discuss operational plans
      5.Establish Operation Sovereign Borders HQ and create the joint agency taskforce
      6.Reintroduce TPV's.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:35AM
    • I think David Bradbury, an experienced politician and assistant treasurer, losing the plot on radio yesterday was a greater embarassment than an inexperienced candidate being bludgeoned by an experienced journalists who was pushing for a mistake.

      Bradbury accused a radio announcer of being a liberal stooge for daring to question his statement (Bradbury claimed that Hocky had said that the liberal supported higher interest rates). Bradbury then asked the announcer for his last name like he was to tell the principal the announcer was naughty.

      Now that was pure gold dummy spit. Krudd would have been proud of him.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:37AM
    • Need I say more....there is nothing of substance there at all......

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:47AM
    • Tim of Altona
      Surely you jest.
      Have you thought about those six points? If you had, you would never have repeated them. They are pure comedy.
      1) When is it safe to turn back a boat?
      2) Why do you need more offshore processing if you have turned back the boats?
      3) Why do you need to buy boats to do passenger transfers if you have turned back the boats?
      4) Why do you need ministerial visits if you are going to ignore them anyway?
      5) Why do you need the armed forces for a group of tragic unarmed, overloaded boats?
      6) Why do you need TPVs if you have turned back the boats?
      Straight after the election, we know that the policy will change and he'll blame Rudd some more.
      It's just more Abbott lies.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:36PM
    • Not sure that some so-called journalist (although I'm not sure that TEN employs any does it?) picking on some new blood is particularly clever.

      As stated elsewhere, David Bradbury's performance is of more concern.

      Commenter
      Josh
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:52PM
  • We have to clear about one thing...the huge number of boat people arriving in this country is simply because of Mr Abbott's continuous refusal to adhere to Labor's pleads in combating this problem over the years. Every single time Labor wanted to put forward some kind of solution, Mr Abbott always refused & blocked it. I believe Mr Abbott deserve a good kick in the behind and I really hope that all these boat people will one day soon make their residence in his backyard. Wish to Vote for Liberal? You will get millions of more boat people, that's for sure.

    Commenter
    Daniel
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 8:12AM
    • You can't be serious - how many people have arrived since the ALP came into govt and dismantled the scheme - some 45,000 -how is this the Coalition's fault - will the PNG and Naru solution work - it seems to be unravelling each day

      Commenter
      Baltic13
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 8:26AM
    • thats just a load of crap - it was labor that started the boats after the liberals stopped them and the libs voted against the useless suggestions by the current mob of incompetents on the grounds that they wouldn't work.

      Commenter
      Doc
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 8:33AM
    • Sad thing is Daniel is serious. There was no problem when Rudd came to power and Rudd is 100% responsible for creating the current problems. Being a party stooge is one thing, but Daniel takes it to a whole new level.

      Commenter
      Sticks
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 8:41AM
    • Come on guys, let's be fair. Everyone who has been reading and listening to the news for the last few years in regards to this menacing boat people fiasco knows and can confirm that the Liberals ALWAYS blocked ANY solutions that the Labor put forward. Please, let's be honest and fair. I am not a Labor nor Liberal supporter, by the way.

      Commenter
      Daniel
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 8:55AM
    • it seems to me the majority of people are not intelligent enough to understand the complex issues involved with asylum seekers and how to develop policy for the issue. most people prefer to have their simplistic ignorant views and don't understand anything beyond a slogan or left/right dynamics. It's sad but very little will change while we have governments unwilling to show leadership and beholden to the ignorant views of the masses.

      Commenter
      atombomb
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:53AM
    • You seem to forget that Labor was in power they had the numbers to with their supporters who passed plenty of policies, why did they need Abbots vote? So how is it Abbots fault??
      Rudd created the boat mess, than spent 18 months as the foreign minister – what did he actually do???
      Apart from spending plenty of money bribing 3 world hacks to get their vote for that useless Security
      Council.
      (does anybody actually know what they do apart from jetting around the world wining and dining in the finest places).
      Yes the same ones representing the nations that Australians have been protecting and feeding for many decades.

      Commenter
      Kev the Great
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:17AM
    • Daniel I think must be with the Dudd show pony travelling on a plane the song Elton sang .Gee Daniel what planet did you say you were from!!!

      Commenter
      ultra
      Location
      Mel
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:20AM
    • ultra...I am from the planet where one can write a sentence that actually makes some sense. Go back, re-read your own comment and tell me if it makes any sense (other readers may join in); clue...get some grammatical classes. You're not related to Diaz by any chance? " Dohhhhh, we'll stop the boats, doahhhhh!"

      Commenter
      Daniel
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:34AM
  • On the subject of Tony Abbott's company tax cuts, I'm reminded of Bill Clinton's quote from the last US election campaign: "We cannot afford to double down on trickle down".

    This is not about benefitting the average Aussie worker. The Libs and their cohorts are already complaining that wages are too high and they're going to take unspecified steps to deal with that. Pretending this tax cut is meant to trickle down to the average Joe or Jodie is a swindle.

    Commenter
    Arky
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 8:11AM
    • Shhhhh. You're not allowed to call it WorkChoices. Give it another name, the public won't know. Shhhh.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:11AM
    • Trickle down is as respected as an economic theory as communism - both are proven economic disasters. Yet Abbott and his Tea Party wanna-be's still think it is a way forward and somehow 'fair dinkum'. What's fair dinkum about tax breaks for big business, cutting services, delivering reduced infrastructure and taxing us more through an inevitable GST increase?

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:48AM
    • Tone, it’s a tired old argument mate, that was the 2007 scaremongering campaign, don’t you have new slogan, if you’re going to play the spin game mate, remember to put your long trousers on here mate, you’re playing with the big boys now.

      Commenter
      Peter G
      Location
      Drummoyne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:03PM
    • Nah, slogans are Abbott's thing, sorry.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:55PM
  • "Breaking news reporter Jonathan Swan has the details of the Coalition slip up regarding the GST."

    Is 'slip up' the journalist's shorthand for 'letting the cat out of the bag'?

    Commenter
    Whyalla Wipeout
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 8:09AM
    • What cat out of the bag? or slip up? The coalition have already said that it is not the case. They say the story is rubbish and not true. I think the journo concerned has slipped up.

      Commenter
      Warren
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 8:30AM
    • "The coalition said"....

      Well, the party of never, ever and core and non-core promises said .....

      The Harbour Bridge is for sale - and they will throw in Fraudband for nothing.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 8:46AM
  • Let's see if the media pressures Abbott to say what cuts he's making to pay for the company tax cut.

    Well, let's see if the Fairfax media and the ABC do it. The Murdoch media and the commercial TV networks won't.

    Commenter
    Arky
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 8:09AM
  • The Pulse 9:58AM

    Hold the presses, J.Fraser hits 92% censor rate in Fairfax.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 8:04AM
    • I think I've beat that by mentioning Albo's beers with Thommo and The Age bringing down Julia Gillard with front page headlines. Oh well, I gave it my best shot.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party La La Land
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 8:47AM
    • applause, applause. Trying for 100% are you?

      Commenter
      Attack Dog
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:29AM
    • here's hoping for 100% across all media!

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:11PM
  • The LNP won't put up the GST or extend it's scope in the next 3 years...but will require a mandate......watch the bulldust propaganda on the GST to brainwash the public over the next 3 years.

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 8:04AM
  • "Has Murdoch made up your mind who to vote for".

    All the sheeple reply in the affirmative.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 7:57AM
    • Including Julia G. Fraser? Or will she be doing Rupert's work for him?

      Commenter
      Maax
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 8:21AM
    • In the 2007 election most News Ltd papers endorsed Rudd and the ALP to be elected as the Govt.
      But as usual Rudd has forgotten that as has most ALP supporters.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 8:40AM
  • LABOR has cemented its border protection deal to settle asylum-seekers in Papua New Guinea but is facing a Coalition challenge to the outcome, as it emerged the agreement was finalised only after the government entered caretaker mode.
    Can someone confirm this story?

    Commenter
    Baltic13
    Location
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 7:55AM
    • "Caretaker mode" is only a convention, is it not? It reminds of 1975 when the media insisted calling Mr Fraser the "Caretaker Prime Minister", when in fact he was simply the Prime Minister. I don't see anyhing in the Constitution about caretaker governments.

      So if the Government has concluded an agreement during htis period it could hardly be considered invalid, even if it is considered improper.

      Commenter
      David Morrison
      Location
      Blue Mountains
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 8:27AM
    • Its because the Coalition don't really want to solve "the problem"

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 8:31AM
    • What deal does Australia have with PNG on refugees? All we have is a two page note with no substance. It has not gone before the Australian parliament, let alone the PNG one and the PNG opposition have announced they will fight it tooth and nail. Oh but we can always fall back on Nauru who have denied Rudd's claimed deal with them. Rudd running around making policy from the hip doesnt cut it. Rudd hasnt managed a full change over to his personal dictatorship yet and until he does we are still a democracy.

      Commenter
      What deal?
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:40AM
  • Hope Albo didn't drink too many beers with Thommo at the Rocks beer barn last night, as it's no time for a hangover in campaign time. Can someone ask Albo if poor Thommo had the cash for a few rounds or will he have to do another dinner fundraiser? or maybe he'll be the new ALP candidate for Dobell? and has Bradbury settled down from his radio rant?

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Labor party La La Land
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 7:21AM
  • Does Rudd really want to pick a fight with Murdoch ? Seems like there'd only be one winner out of that.

    Or maybe Kev's wants to continue the Gillard tradition of demonising anyone successful.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 07, 2013, 7:14AM
    • Murdoch has already declared war on Rudd and Labor (or did you misunderstand the headline of the Terror?).

      As for demonising the successful, perhaps you would support other famously wealthy US citizens buying up all our press and telling us how to vote, in order to further their other commercial interests in Australia.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 7:27AM
    • I think Rudd is pointing out murdochs monopoly agenda which doesn't benefit anyone. Im pleased that this is being called out.

      Commenter
      Jasmin
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 7:46AM
    • I think Bradbury's performance on radio last night is fairly indicative of how the ALP reacts to any media who questions them... or pulls them up when they state something untruthful. Bradbury basically accused the guy of working for the Libs.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 7:52AM
    • I'm really getting to dislike this Kev guy.Wan't here in '07 but when he deposed of Gillard I thought "hooray for us". Now, a few weeks on, and it's "OMG help us". There's something dodgy and desperate about his dealings since the overthrow. Gave him the benefit of the doubt, but Kev's lost out on me at least. Only problem is, I find myself agreeing with Rupert M...."OMG help me!".

      Commenter
      Sid
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 7:55AM
    • Murdoch's next headline :

      "Hacka surrenders"

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 7:55AM
    • Whyalla Wipeout
      You seem to forget as Rudd does that in 2007 election most News Ltd( including The Australian) papers supported and endorsed the election of a Rudd Govt.
      Now the tide has turned and the no longer support the Rudd Govt which as usual Rudd will not what this mentioned and is crying poor.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 8:06AM
    • Hacka,

      Can the budget currently afford a $2.5b tax break for companies??

      This will take the LNP budget hole to $52.5b.

      If the LNP think that they can cut public servants to cover the budget hole.....Canberra is going to look like a ghost town soon.

      Commenter
      Sam
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 8:11AM
    • WW - not sure about declaring war - the Terror decided that Rudd should be kicked out. Many of us agree.

      If you don't like the headline, don't buy the paper, or simply ignore it. Most Aussies are smart enough to work this stuff out for themselves. Rudd moaning about it is counterproductive - he's got the ABC in his corner anyway.

      Besides, the whole rationale about the NBN being a threat to News Ltd seems implausible anyway. The whole model ignores the rise of 4G services (wireless) to start with.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 8:21AM
    • Sam - the budget has been so driven into the ground that it can't afford much at all.

      But thanks for the laugh about Coalition costings - presumably your next trick will be to tell us that Labor know how to manage a budget.

      You must have missed that last Friday the ALP cut $600 million in public service wages.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 8:39AM
    • Hacka, two points:

      1. If you are not sure that Murdoch has declared war (as opposed to 'supporting' the Opposition), your view of reality is more skewed than even I thought.

      2. If you think that 4G (or any sort of wireless that has been even conceptualised) can do remotely what optical fibre can do, you make Tony Abbott seem like an IT whiz. Even Malcolm is not still promoting wireless mobile as part of his Fraudband policy.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 8:50AM
    • Hacka, you think the PM of Australia would come off worst in a fight with a US resident who controls our media but you don't think that's a problem!

      Commenter
      jofek
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:07AM
    • Hacka,

      I'm glad you got to laugh at my comment... Even little balls of negativity need a release every now and then.... :)

      Commenter
      Sam
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:08AM
    • WW - could you explain please how the NBN will help your 4G iPad receive signals ? The cable market share is falling. Malcolm doesn't need to promote wireless broadband - have you not heard of Optus and Telstra ?

      Sam - personally i'm just loving the Rudd line that Labor are better economic managers. It flies in the face of every single piece of evidence to the contrary. Especially with the economy weakening, growth falling and unemployment rising, as explained by the RBA in their rates decision.

      jofek - don't get too excited. The editors of the Terror et al are Aussies - their opinion is what counts. Do you think they have to phone up Rupert before going to press ?

      There was a piece in The Oz today saying that the Rudd campaign is stalling. Do you guys disagree ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:34AM
    • Why doesn't Murdoch simply stand for Opposition Leader himself? Oh that's right he gave up his Australian citizenship for money.

      Remember all those comments regarding the bias of News Ltd I made on these pages that were howled down by you and your fellow coalition supporters? Now all proven correct.

      Commenter
      Think Big
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:52AM
    • "The editors of the Terror et al are Aussies - their opinion is what counts."

      Hilarious Hacka.

      I don't subscribe to the Oz; you'll have to elaborate - it doesn't seem to be stalling if you look at the non-Murdoch papers.

      Commenter
      jofek
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 9:55AM
    • Hacka, I don't have a 4G iPad. I have a wireless only one. That means that I rely on the wireless router in my home or on tethering to my iPhone when out.

      In the home, the feed is okay for what I use the ipad for at the moment - although significant downloads are quite slow on my ADSL feed.

      Outside of home, surfing (which is not data heavy) on the wireless mobile network is unreliable, slow and a complete pain in the neck. There is a huge amount of variation in access, even from the same spot, depending on the number of other people trying to use the network at the same time. There is absolutely no comparison with ADSL, let alone latency-free optical fibre broadband to the premises.

      This is a nonsense argument put up by people who just don't understand the technology.

      Oh, and Hacka, can you please explain the offsetting savings for the $5 billion company tax cut that the Opposition just announced?

      I mean the actual dollar amounts and the specifics of where that money is coming from. Not some specious, dissembling piece of number free verbiage describing a magic pudding of so-called government waste.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:08AM
    • Think Big - no - don't remember those. The Murdoch press have decided that Rudd is a fake, a fraud and a failure and he needs to be removed. Perfectly logical stuff really.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:10AM
    • WW - so you agree the NBN won't help you use your iPad. Well done - you should tell many of your buddies, who think it will.

      On the company tax cuts, the ALP promised the same but didn't deliver, shock horror. Abbott has said they are fully funded. His economic statement can't come out until after PEEFO is released, probably with the next budget update the way it's going.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 10:40AM
    • First of all, I didn't say the NBN would not help my iPad. But I'm not surprised that you could not understand, not being a tech-head and all. Still, I did write my response in English.

      No doubt, when I am using the new, new, new iPad in 2020 and the NBN is fully functioning, it will be essential because of the increased functionality of iPads by then, along with desktop computers and a whole range of other internet connected facilities in my house which will depend on a reliable, latency free optical fibre feed, in the same way that so many of our appliances depend on reliable electricity now. Bet the Liberals of 1920 thought electrification was a waste of money then too.

      As for releasing figures after PEFO, you obviously had missed out on one of your Liberal Party briefings this week, or perhaps you were confused by their endless flip-flopping.

      But just to put you in the picture, Joe is not prepared to rely on PEFO figures this year. Under Costello's charter of budget honesty, they only apply to the Labor Party. The Liberals are currently looking for a fifth-rate snake oil accountancy firm to do its costing (they only trust the PBO when it suits too), and, until then expect us to rely on slogans and the magic pudding of public service cuts where an endless supply of useless public servants get the chop.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:10AM
    • So WW - Labor is spending $100 billion on the NBN and it won't even help a 3G, 4G, 5G or even 6G wireless device, which is where the market growth is.

      That does seem like a waste of money wouldn't you say ? Although maybe Telstra will provide this service, bypassing the government monopoly.

      On PEEFO - it's pretty clear that Labor have lost the economic debate already. Hopefully they can make it to Sept 7 without giving us another budget update.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 11:25AM
    • Oh Hacka. You do. Pick up little issues and twist and hammer them to promote your beloved Libs and their policies.

      I have an iPad. I use it as a supplement to my computer in my home office and to create files and research when I am out and about.

      We have cable at home. AND a wireless router for the computers. Both of us can use our iPads with either our wireless connection to the cable, or go "cable-free" and use 3G.

      So the higher speed of the NBN will give me faster access for both my computer and my iPad.

      There are times when the 3G network is much much faster than the copper wires to our home and home office. Roll on the NBN direct connection to my home office!!

      Commenter
      TiredOfSpin
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:06PM
    • Hacka, even an unimaginative party hack like you should be able to take the blinkers off for a moment and realise that one man having so much influence on the outcome of an election is not healthy for a democracy. If he was a supporter of Labor I know you'd be on the other side of this argument; managing to be on either side of any given argument has never been an issue for you for as long as I've been reading your posts. Quite pathetic really.

      Commenter
      jofek
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:10PM
    • Hacka, every response shows up the huge ignorance of the right wing about IT matters. It is not about the wireless device. It is about what our homes will need data connections for 10, 20, 30 years into the future. Your logic would have us think that electric lighting in the house is no longer relevant because better and better battery powered torches are being invented.

      As for PEFO (which you introduced because you forgot that it was no longer part of Hockeynomics), you are obviously flummoxed about how to respond to the reasonable question of how the Coalition will pay for their promises and do the old right-wing thing of repeating Abbott's ridiculous mantras about the Government.

      So pathetic. And to think some Australians are so disconnected to actually buy this nonsense. I only wish I had access to their names. I could make a mint selling the Harbour Bridge over and over again.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 12:21PM
    • jofek - Murdoch is probably just following popular opinion. His view seems in synch with the polls.

      WW - don't sell the SHB - Labor have no infrastructure plans to replace it.

      Where's SteveH ? He's missing out on all the fun ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:25PM
    • Hacka, the polls are neck and neck despite Murdoch's influence.

      Will you one day have an original non-partisan opinion or can we assume you will forever be the Gerard Henderson of the blogosphere?

      Commenter
      jofek
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 1:57PM
    • jofek - if you want to discuss polls, what do you think about the slump in Kev's net satisfaction rating, now back in negative territory with Abbott ?

      He's back to the same spot as June 2010 apparently.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 2:15PM
    • jofek. perhaps our Hacka is indeed our Hendo.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 2:26PM
    • Hacka, I'm not obsessing about it. Now we're so close why don't we worry about other things than the polls; they are not an end in themselves.

      Commenter
      jofek
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 2:47PM
    • A country gal, he does seem to be. Like Henderson, once you know which side of a topic the Libs are on, you know exactly which side Hacka will be on. He's not exactly unique amongst the squaddies in that respect though.

      Commenter
      jofek
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 2:50PM
    • ACG - how kind. And to think we've only got 31 more days of this left ....

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 3:03PM
    • Hacka, it wasn't intended as a compliment as such. More your welded on myopic view, your steadfastness on any issue.I've yet to meet anyone that agrees 100% with party policy. Surely you must disagree with Tones and crew on something? Please do tell.
      But you do have uncanny access to when an article becomes available for comment, inside access is obvious. Hence my observation.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 07, 2013, 3:15PM
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