Why has our society become so angry and hostile? Are we that selfabsorbed and inconsiderate that we are no longer able to extend basic respect to others? I have become extremely concerned as to how uncaring many New Zealanders have become towards our own kind, let alone to non-human animals. It seems to be getting worse.

It's a typical response though. People find it hard to accept A recent visit to my old hometown Christchurch had me red flag the city streets as a danger zone. I have always felt safe in the garden city but now it feels like I'm running the gauntlet of a battle-scarred Bosnia full of hatred. Christchurch has cultivate an angry mob mentality in search of trouble. The weekend I was there, a 22-year-old idiot drove his car into a crowd of youths killing two and injuring ten others. Christchurch lacks community goodwill but it isn't alone. Negative media reports of angry people sweep across the country daily. It all seems a bit insane.

A society cultivating violence and disrespect towards its own kind cannot be expected to extend a greater level of compassion to animals. SAFE screened Earthlings, in May, a documentary film that bravely confronts just how evil humans can be. Now it seems you only have to walk city streets to witness shameful acts of human behaviour that parallel the very principles that allow people to be cruel to animals. SAFE continues to strive towards a more compassionate society. Films like Earthlings, while difficult to watch, offer a reality check and make the pain real. The sooner we all watch this film the sooner we can all reflect on the wonders of a world in harmony and not be compelled to harm, exploit or kill.

The above posting would have you believe that they are screaming hoards of hooligans running around Christchurch raping and pillaging amongst overturned burned out cars and blown up buildings while dodging sniper fire. This isn’t so. I’ve always felt save within the Garden City and I’ve lived in: Manchester, Dorset, Berlin, Orleans, San Francesco, Boston, Brisbane, Perth, Wellington and Dunedin. Whoever wrote this tripe, that jumps around and drifts off, must have one warped sense of reality.

It is sad to see someone feels that Chch is full of hate. If you perceive it that way then you may need to look within yourself for the hate because Chch has some beautiful and wonderful people in it like the Food not Bombs crowd and the Save Happy Valley group.

Peace and love to all!
Des

What a pity that someone's perception of Ch-Ch is so out of wack that they feel hate. I'm pleased that the Save Happy Valley and the Food not Bombs people prove that the city is not full of this negative emotion.

Megan the Vegan

The person who wrote the first comment comes across as being unhinged. Either that or trying to damage the reputation of the animal rights movement. Calling NZers uncaring and a city full of hate is NOT the way to go. I am sure there are more creative ways to get your message across rather than being hypercritical.

If NZ is so uncaring then why do we have the following?

www.kidscare.co.nz

www.kidscan.co.nz

Not to mention all of the AR groups and the SHVC in it.

Also, if Christchurch is so full of hate then why is there an arts festival on in it at the moment and it is about to host a film one?

www.artsfestival.co.nz

www.enzedff.co.nz

What do you expect from a Safe champion, a clever and astute examination? The outfit is full of boogens after all.

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php

I can’t say if all of SAFE is full of boogins but I know some in management are.

Safe = Bogans/Westies indeed!

www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogan

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php

www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westie_(person)

Go to www.safe.org.nz/Newsletters/Newsletter28/index.html to find out the person who authored the very first comment.

I always knew the person who wrote it is a nut and here's the evidence.

This person does has a distorted viewpoint considering that there will be another film festival in the so called city of odium.

www.datepalm.co.nz

Yet another film festival to be held in the so called city of abhorrence?

indymedia.org.nz/newswire/display/73697/index.php

Just goes to show what an unhealthy person who wrote the very first statement is.

No wonder Safe has a poor reputation with its director writing nonsense like this.

Yeah, the director is a well known hypocritic and a deranged loon. Here's the proof!

With a sick f*#k like that in charge now we all know why SAFE hasn't got the respect of the wider community.

The person in control of safe is a sicko and has been known to be for ages. This is why the outfit does not perform the way it should.

SAFE and their management are nasty pieces of work. I am happy to see that the own words of its boss have been used against them as evidence.

SAFE are well known hypocritics and it has been proven time and time again here. This is just more proof that its CEO is a silly sausage and the reason why SAFE are offal!!!

As a New Zealander I find the first comment insulting and disrespectful. Fortunately most New Zealanders aren’t as uncaring as what the idiot who wrote it makes out. The Save Happy Valley campaign and most of the animal rights movement is evidence of this. (Check out: www.hard.orcon.org.nz, www.caff.org.nz and www.aucklandanimalaction.org.nz for proof.) Comparing Ch-Ch to Bosnia is harsh and going too far. This comparison only highlights what an unstable person the writer is. If this is the calibre of a typical person that supports SAFE then it isn’t any wonder that it has a poor reputation. In future I suggest the writer to keep their destructive comments to themselves and only express them in therapy. On a positive note, most of the people that I’m aware of that are into animal rights aren’t as disturbed as this because they are more healthy, sensible and intelligent than most and do support the Happy Valley Coalition since their goals are in line with it i.e. compassion, respect and trying to make the world a better place.

While I agree with the responses to the first comment, it is unfortunate the responders use such disrespectful language themselves. What do you know of the first poster? just a few lines. Calling someone an idiot or unstable is unnessesery and only works to silence people.

I have heard many people talk about increased violence in Otautahi. But "our" city is not just one group, we are a cluster of communities intertwined, interrelating and interacting.
In Otautahi, young people are disrespected and constantly treated like criminals.
We suffer terrible alcoholism, that leads to violence in our streets and homes.
When people say we are 'the most english city in NZ" I think they mean our city planners were the most class-ist. Its very easy for the wealthy to live without seeing/interacting with the poor here, they are well hidden.
All these things leads to violence here.
Having said that, I feel safe in Otautahi. And I attempt to make it safer, by building stronger communities and networks. (which reminds me - got to get to Food Not Bombs in Cashel Mall soon!)

Lets not compare violent situations (Bosnia to Chch???) but acknowledge each situation and work on ways to change it.

Peace be,
Love is,
Anna-CLaire

PS - Yay, Francie and Happy Valley! I really want to test "the exclusive property rights" of registered trademarks more.
Why is it when I go to court, I get inspired to break, er I mean test, the law?

Sometimes one needs to be harsh and judgemental to wake someone up to their harsh and judgemental thoughts, comments and behaviour.

To me comparing Otautahi to a war zone is over the top and does not inspire me to conform to the writers believes. There are better ways to communicate for a safer, better, equalable world for all, including our animal buddies. How about writing about how it would be in all of our best interest for us to be more friendly to each other, other spicies and to planet Earth? This to me would be more enlightened.

"Sometimes one needs to be harsh and judgemental to wake someone up to their harsh and judgemental thoughts, comments and behaviour."

An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind, bro.

It’s most unfortunate to see someone taking a shot at trying to ruin the name of the animal rights movement again. I can assure you that most of us that are involved with it aren’t as fault-finding of people as intensely as this since we are about respect and compassion.

Dr Phil

Otautahi/Christchurch loaded up with hatred yet www.nzavs.org.nz, www.safe.org.nz and www.massivenz.com are based in it? Does not compute!

It is very disappointing to see someone trying to discredit AR, in a funny sort of way, in the very first posting. Slanging off a city full of people isn't helpful.

I don’t know where the author of the original observation is coming from. I use to live in Margate, Brisbane and now I live in Southshore, Christchurch and I feel saver living in it than when I was in Australia.

It is marvellous to see The Save Happy Valley Collective trying to make a constructive change. Remember sometimes downbeat, off-putting and pessimistic remarks say more about the source than the recipient, so keep up the good fight!

Poo-pooing people turns me off.

I agree, pooh-poohing is not beneficial.

This is good news! Keep it up!

Wonderful stuff!

indymedia.org.nz/newswire/display/73405/index.php

indymedia.org.nz/newswire/display/73403/index.php

Big thanks to fances and others for going through the ringer for the rest of us. Cheeres mark.

Yes evryone I agree with one of the previous posts, I just logged on to indymedia and haven't been on for awhile...now I remember why! The abuse from so called concious people is outrageous-better the world begin with yourself. There has been a fair bit of slandering been thrown about lately,whilst it might make you feel good,have you thought of the impact it has created on those it has affected?It has a trickle down affect you know!Sincerely, Edith.

I agree with you, Edith: a better world starts with yourself. I advise you to keep the faith and don't give up. The world needs people like you and keep up your great work!

Peace and love,
Des

Right on, Edith!

big ups to the shv chch crew and all te people DOING something about all the horrid shit going on.

Here! Here!

From the Northwest Florida Daily News comes this story of a Crestview couple who drove their car to Wal-Mart, only to have their car break down in the parking lot. The man told his wife to carry on with the shopping while he fixed the car in the lot.

The wife returned later to see a small group of people near the car. On closer inspection, she saw a pair of male legs protruding from under the chassis. Although the man was in shorts, his lack of underwear turned private parts into glaringly public ones. Unable to stand the
embarrassment, she dutifully stepped forward, quickly put her hand UP his shorts, and tucked everything back into place. On regaining her
feet, she looked across the hood and found herself staring at her husband who was standing idly by.

The mechanic, however, had to have three stitches in his forehead.

Good interview, Frances. You present well. You and the rest of the SHVC should be proud!

I disagree that one should be harsh and judgemental to counter the harsh and judgemental. It is about as logical as fighting for peace or screwing for virginity.

The first poster may appear over the top in his or her condemnation of our society. But as a one time activist, I can confirm that I have at several periods felt a similar way when confronted with cruelty and indifference, especially towards animals. It is more likely he/she is burned out, not disturbed or stupid, and therefore needs help and understanding, not condemnation.

Phil

I agree with you, Phil: the person responsible for the top comment appears to need help. Maybe Gestalt and Addiction/Co-dependent therapy could be useful for them. I and many others have found these types of processes useful for us to operate in this unhealthy society.

www.gestalt.org.nz

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestalt

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestalt_therapy

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addiction

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-Dependents_Anonymous

In any case, it great to see so many others out in our sick society trying to make a positive and constructive difference, like the Save Happy Valley Collective.

An activist burned out? Take a break before a breakdown mate. A vacation could be in order.

Some more news on the SAVC, etc go to: indymedia.org.nz/newswire/index.php

Good shit!

indymedia.org.nz/newswire/display/73422/index.php

A future without using coal and other fossil fuels needs to happen because of www.climatecrisis.net

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