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February 16

Repeated citations of a society's minutes

Hi, I'm happily using strings like the one below which produces <ref name="Cattell2" />{{rp|p.80}} when I am citing different pages of the same book.

[Of course I'm really typing <ref name + ="Cattell" + " />{{rp + |p.80}} concatenated without the pluses and spaces]

I'm trying to find what to substitute for the 'rp|' so that I can enter a date such as 6 Nov 1861 or, if Wikipedia prefers it 6 November 1861. I've spent hours today looking on guidance pages without success so any help would be most gratefully received. Many thanks for your time.Ishpoloni (talk) 02:37, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

What you are looking for doesn't exist as far as I know. But you can use something like this:

<ref name="bronto">{{cite book |last=Elk |first=Anne |title=[[Anne's Theory on Brontosauruses]] |date=November 16, 1972 |page=5}}</ref>

{{r|bronto|at=1 Januari 1900}}

Which would look like this: https://i.imgur.com/wvaHbTd.png

Polygnotus (talk) 03:38, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks, I'll try that. Ishpoloni (talk) 09:45, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks. I had to tweak it a bit but ended up with

and

which works for further repeats Ishpoloni (talk) 11:12, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

@Ishpoloni: {{rp}} is actually quite flexible. The paramater is not required to be a number. The documentation says that when it is not a number you should use the "at" parameter instead, so {{re|at=6 Nov 1861}} should yield something like this. -Arch dude (talk) 04:46, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks. I tried that before I wrote but must have missed out an = or something. I'll try it again. Ishpoloni (talk) 09:46, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks. It worked perfectly. Ishpoloni (talk) 11:15, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

References

I did an edit but didnt do it right - please help me make it right?

I made an edit on this page

Motorcycle frame#Motorcycle frame measurement

I will be learning to work with/on Wikipedia in the future because it was very empowering to start to help but until then, can someone take a look at this page/section and help me make it right? Thanks 71.105.211.108 (talk) 03:33, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello fellow IP editor. Please don't insert comments like that into an article - you can always use the talk page if you want to suggest improvements, or just leave an explanation in your edit summary. I've removed your comment and added a citation needed maintenance tag instead. 97.113.173.101 (talk) 04:30, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

That is why I'm here - to get the offending content corrected, as I do not know how to do any of those things, like leave comments in an edit summary. Thank you. 71.105.211.108 (talk) 05:12, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia for a basic guide. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:22, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Recreating deleted category

I want to recreate the category Category:D.I.C.E. Award winners which I feel was unfairly deleted. However, I'm not sure where to host a discussion where is will get attention. I tried the talk page but I doubt it will be fruitful. ThanatosApprentice (talk) 04:37, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Please see WP:OCAWARD. What I get from the deletion discussion here and the deletion review is that the awards are not important enough. Chances on survival are slim, sorry. The Banner talk 12:07, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

I would still like the chance to reopen this conversation with the proper context. I just want to know where I would do that.--ThanatosApprentice (talk) 01:22, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Armed forces flag transclusion issue

Can somebody in the know fix the formatting of the armed forces flag rendering for the item Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades at Palestinian Joint Operations Room – both in the infobox as well as in the corresponding section "Members"? I'd be very grateful for any assistance. Hildeoc (talk) 07:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

@Hildeoc Seems to be an issue with {{Armed forces}}, which is well beyond my paygrade. There is a discussion at Template talk:Armed forces you could contribute to, maybe mentioning it on one of the Military History Project talkpages to get some attention. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:05, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for taking interest still. @PrimeHunter, any idea how do fix that maybe? Hildeoc (talk) 21:41, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

The problem is that File:Logo of PFLP.png is listed as non-free so it's not allowed in the same situations as a normal flag and has been removed from {{Country data Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine}}.[1] I don't speak Arabic and cannot say whether there is something at the official site https://pflp.ps/ or elsewhere which indicates an acceptable license for our flag icons. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:57, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much, once again, for your kind support, PrimeHunter. 🙏

So what would be the best to do in this instance then? Hildeoc (talk) 23:52, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

You could try Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. It's not my specialty. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:05, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Suggestions for my newly-created article

I recently created an article, Nexfibre - something I believe is of significance to telecommunications in the UK and also meets notability requirements to be on WP.

It was tagged with Peacock - and I’m wondering if anyone could provide some suggestions, advice or a review of the article so I know what needs to be done to amend it.

I’m stuck as to how I can make improvements to it that would justify the removal of the tag. It’s only the 3rd article I’ve created so I’m a beginner when it comes to this.

thanks! Josh (talk) 09:00, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

I've removed the tag as it was not clear to me why it was added. Anyone tagging an article like that would be well advised to open a discussion on the talk page, explaining their concerns. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:28, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Design of web pages

Good afternoon! I just want to know one thing: why did the text of web pages change and the font of some headings stop being bold?

Is it just me having this problem, or is it Wikipedia’s design updates? Nature Moon (talk) 12:32, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

It's on all Wikimedia projects, and it looks awful. Left alignment instead of justified? Are they insane? --2800:AC:4010:C67:1:0:28ED:3368 (talk) 13:40, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Left-aligned text can be beneficial for WP:ACCESSIBILITY. Bazza (talk) 14:01, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

@Nature Moon: I'm curious as I see no change. Which skin are you using, and on what browser, device and mode (desktop or mobile)? Bazza (talk) 13:58, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Skin: Vector 2022

Browser: Samsung Internet and Google

Device: Samsung Galaxy A32

Mode: mobile (no changes in desktop mode, checked)

Nature Moon (talk) 14:08, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Help desk#Font change further up this page and the link to VPT. 57.140.16.1 (talk) 14:20, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

That relates to the Minerva skin. There have been no changes that I am aware of to Vector 2022 skin so would be great if you could elaborate with some screenshots! Thanks in advance! Jdlrobson (talk) 17:25, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Huh, I scrutinized Wikipedia:Skins again, so yes, the changes are to the Minerva skin. Thanks for the info! Nature Moon (talk) 11:04, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Ubl template (stocks)

Greetings

I copied

| traded_as ={{ubl|{{FWB|SIE}}|[[DAX]] component}}

from the Siemens page, and intended to use it for another company.

When I fill in with XOSL|ABL and then OSEBEX, or the abb. for the stock market, the name of the ticker and then the name of the stock market´s index, I get this

Traded as

• Template:XOSL
• OSEBX component

What is going on here, and is there a page where I can look up syntax like ubl?

Yours truly Audun H. Nilsen NilsenAudun (talk) 14:23, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

@NilsenAudun You can find documentation on individual templates by searching for "template:templatename" in the standard search box. They can also be linked using the template tl, so {{ubl}} gives a link to the first bit of the rather complicated syntax in the infobox you looked at. All this bit does is provide an UnBulleted List. Within that, there is the {{FWB}} template which is intended to provide an external link to the relevant Frankfurt code (SIE for Siemens). All a bit complicated! Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:53, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

@NilsenAudun: The problem is not {{ubl}} but the rest which are parameters in the call of {{ubl}}. {{FWB|SIE}} is the syntax for a call of Template:FWB with parameter SIE. There is no Template:XOSL so it doesn't work to write anything with {{XOSL}}. Template:FWB redirects to Template:Frankfurt Stock Exchange which is in Category:Ticker symbol templates where Template:EuronextOslo is listed. You can use that. We have no OSEBX article. OSEBX is mentioned in Oslo Stock Exchange but {{EuronextOslo}} already links there so I wouldn't link OSEBX. You can write {{ubl|{{EuronextOslo|ABL}}|OSEBX component}} to produce:

• Oslo Stock Exchange: ABL
• OSEBX component

PrimeHunter (talk) 18:32, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Location map

Using the location map template, is there a way to show more than one location?

At the article 2017 Irish Coast Guard Rescue 116 crash there is a map showing the location of BlackRock Island. I would like to add the locations of Dublin and Sligo as well, as these are the bases where the two helicopters came from. 86.3.219.123 (talk) 15:03, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Go ahead and make the change. You will need to change the current {{Location map}} to {{Location map many}}. -Arch dude (talk) 18:27, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, that did the job. 86.3.219.123 (talk) 08:35, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

What do you suggest?

Dear, how are you? I've delved into the groundbreaking work of neuroscientist Ricardo Dolmetsch, focusing on his remarkable achievements in neuroscience and gene therapy. Despite his extensive research conducted at Stanford University, surprisingly, there hasn't been an article highlighting his contributions yet. Before proceeding with publication, I'd greatly appreciate your input and any suggestions you might have.

Title: Ricardo Dolmetsch Them: neuroscience https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Marcelosca/sandbox

Thanks dude! Marcelosca (talk) 19:37, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Marcelosca, it looks pretty good to me. A couple of minor things, easily fixed: section headers should be sentence-case, not headline-case; and there's an unwanted double linefeed near the end of the second section. I'd recommend moving it to draft space,so that other editors will be more likely to help improve it. Maproom (talk) 20:40, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

On further consideration – you may need to do a bit more to establish that Dolmetsch is notable, in Wikipedia's idiosyncratic sense. Papers authored or co-authored by Dolmetsch don't help with this, nor do articles based on interviews with him. The reference currently numbered 26 looks good, but of the sources I can access, it's probably the only one to help much with notability. Maproom (talk) 20:58, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Marcelosca, it would help if you could highlight the three best reliable sources which are independent of the subject. Otherwise a reviewer has to work through 29 references, many of which will not be independent. TSventon (talk) 21:13, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I will look for more sources. Marcelosca (talk) 21:49, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Displaying three location maps in a horizontal line

I know how to display multiple images next to each other to form a horizontal line using the gallery template, but how can I do this with location maps? Maybe I can't. Mikenorton (talk) 21:21, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

May be you know better

Good day to you! I am confident you know better. How properly to deal with Wikipedia unreviewed articles? For users without autopatrolled rights, is it okay continuously to create more articles while others are not reviewed? or I should take some pause and wait the review process? For my case, I have 4 new unreviewed articles in 10 days and 10 articles in last 30 days. Thank you. 6eeWikiUser (talk) 23:17, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 6eeWikiUser. The most important thing to keep in mind is that quality is much more important than quantity. When I look at your user talk page, I see lots of feedback from other editors about quality problems with your drafts and articles. Submitting well referenced drafts about clearly notable topics is just fine. So, focus on the quality of your drafts. Do you have a financial interest in any of your articles or drafts? Cullen328 (talk) 21:14, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Cullen328. Thank you so much for feedback and advising on the best way to go, I am going to improve. On Wikipedia, I have fun in creating great articles. My interest is about people, I guess it is why I receive many comments from other editors. However, every comment leaves me differently as I aim to learn and do better. I don’t have financial interest in any of my articles or drafts. Thank you. 6eeWikiUser (talk) 21:53, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

February 17

Citing rare books/catalogues

Quick question about print citations and references. I'm citing several rare books/exhibition catalogues that I viewed in a museum library - they all have publishers/dates/oclc numbers, etc., but they are really hard to access (as in, only 5 institutions worldwide have a copy of several, per WorldCat). Should I be adding the location that I accessed them?

To be clear, these are not publications accessed via an artist file/clipping file in the library; these were published books/catalogues included in the library catalogue (if only published in editions of <1000). Just not sure if I should/how to add that location access info. Thank you! 19h00s (talk) 00:24, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

As far as I'm aware, if such works have been published (and a few hundred is not an uncommon print run for new hardback books of unproven or limited appeal) and are available in libraries, they are fine to cite in Wikipedia – they do not have to be easily available, just possible to access, even if one has to visit an institution with a copy to do so (something I used to do regularly when working in text research/editing). See Wikipedia:INDICATEAVAIL. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 176.24.45.226 (talk) 00:47, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! 19h00s (talk) 00:58, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Nothing to add, 19h00s, other than: Excellent work on the article Sam Gilliam! -- Hoary (talk) 03:00, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Publishing a draft as a restoration of a redirect merge.

Hello, I recently finished up Draft:Masters of Atlantis, however what I am trying to do is restore a merged page under Masters of Atlantis after I got together enough sources to pass notability. I am the only significant author on the draft itself and the 'legacy' content taken from before the merge is attributed in the page history, would it be preferable to do a paste-merge over the redirect or to publish the draft wholesale? Orchastrattor (talk) 02:23, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

@Orchastrattor The very first creation of what is now the redirect page was an attempt to create a plot summary for the novel. Only later was that turned into a redirect to the author, which is its current state. I don't see any harm in you copy/pasting your draft into that, since the history will be retained. Then you can ask for your draft to be deleted. If you want feedback on your draft, submit it for review and the experienced editor who accepts it will sort out the situation regarding the redirect. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:02, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

What is !vote

I feel fairly dumb, I only just learned about the existence of "!vote" but I don't know how it works, I've just seen it mentioned on deletion discussions... I've just been surrounding the 1-5 word summary of what I want to happen with ''' to make it bold (Delete, Keep, etc). Has my vote not been getting registered? Is there a page that shows how to use !vote? Theooolone (talk) 03:29, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

@Theooolone: See Wikipedia:Polling is not a substitute for discussion. "!vote" means "not vote". The "!" is used in some programming languages to mean "not". It's not a vote, because we are supposed to be using discussion to reach a consensus. Thus, a bare Delete or Keep does not add much. Instead, add your reasoning. Your !vote will be considered by the person closing the discussion based on your reasoning, not just a tally. -Arch dude (talk) 03:52, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

@Arch dude I've skimmed through Wikipedia:Polling is not a substitute for discussion in the past (I think I read the lead and the next few paragraphs after that, although I should have read further down!), and I have been discussing instead of just a bare delete or keep (check), my initial question was phrased badly and did not specify this, so let me clarify now.

When I said "Has my vote not been getting registered?", I was thinking my reasoning wouldn't get registered by some software properly if I didn't use !vote, which I thought was syntax of some sort (like ~~~~) because in other software commands sometimes begin with symbols like / or ! or :. I see now that that is completely incorrect, thank you for the clarification! Theooolone (talk) 04:23, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

@Theooolone This may not interest you, but there is a "afd statistics" tool [2]. This looks for and lists your (signed) standard !votes in afd:s, keep, delete etc. Others it lists under "Show pages without detected votes". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:21, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Interesting tool! will keep it in mind, thanks! Theooolone (talk) 03:15, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

That's a "!"? I thought it was an "l" all this time. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:47, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

No, it's always been a !. You should probably leave a !vote to state with more clarity which side you agree with, it's more like a headline for your rationale than an actual tick box vote. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:49, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Dark mode

You have been out since 2001 and im curious about if you have a dark mode. Im a welder by trade most apps and certain sites have the option but its to hard on my eyes later in the day to be on here. 173.89.67.198 (talk) 04:13, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia does have a dark mode! Have a look at WP:DARK for info on how to enable it Theooolone (talk) 04:26, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Can't seem to publish some fixes today

On my phone, I just finished some minor proofreading fixes to the article about Mark Twain. As usual, I went through the procedure to explain what I did that's required just before publishing. But there is no Publish button.

I'm writing to the Help desk on my computer. What can I do to publish the edits on my phone? If I can't do it, then I'll have lost 15-20 minutes' worth of work.Augnablik (talk) 09:40, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik: Changes you to that article about 25 hours ago were saved (Diff). have you edited since? Are you logged in on the phone? As a general rule, make smaller edits and save more often! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:28, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, @Pigsonthewing. I’d have hated to lose all that work.

Would you give me an idea of how often to save changes, since you recommended doing that? I don’t recall any advice about that when I was brand new to Wikidom. Assuming I didn’t miss seeing that advice back then, I think it would be a good idea to make it clear — along with reasons why. Augnablik (talk) 16:26, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

One more comment in this thread:

In addition to being stranded on my phone for lack of a Publish button to send my edits for the Mark Twain article I had what could be called a reverse issue just now when trying to reply to your reply. I planned to reply on my computer, but this time the Publish button was missing on that device — yet when I went to my phone to see if I could do it there, I could! This has never happened before on either device, and I can’t imagine what could account for it.

Gremlins galore. Augnablik (talk) 16:34, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik: There is no hard and fast rule; but if you're loosing work, then you need to save more often. I have no explanation for your other issue. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:14, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

draft deleted - reason for deletion

Hi Team,

I created a draft on myself Draft:Dharmendra Sharma.

This was deleted as there was a violation of some policy.

I want to understand what was that content due to which policy got violated and that resulted in immediate draft deletion. Please share the reason.

Thanks, Dharmendra Sharma Dharmendrassallp (talk) 12:37, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi, your draft was deleted due to WP:G11 - for blatant advertising. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:42, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Dharmendrassallp Please read the autobiography policy. It is highly discouraged for people to write about themselves. 331dot (talk) 12:44, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Font size

Greetings!

How can I reduce the size of the letters in the caption of that table of images in the "tourism" section? It's very big.--Agent010 (talk) 13:09, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Agent010, I've made it smaller. It's possible that other editors will disagree with my chamge, and undo my change. If that happens, you should discuss it on the article's talk page. Maproom (talk) 17:19, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

@Maproom, wow, that was nice, thanks!--Agent010 (talk) 17:29, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Reliable sources

I just tried to publish an article I´ve been putting together to learn how to edit Wikipedia.

The message I got was I needed reliable sources, and I wonder.. How on Earth does the computer know so much about the six different sources I used? No loading bar or anything, just the blink of an eye.

Is there something wrong with one of them ?

Is there a requirement that you need at least one of a certain kind of source ?

This is the article

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:ABL_Group

What surprised me was that it´s not even up for review. I think there´s something tripping a wire somewhere. NilsenAudun (talk) 13:10, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi, you haven't actually submitted the draft for review. I'm assuming that the issue is the tag at the top of the page for "requiring more citations". That's something you added when you created the page.

Considering that is dated from 2022, is this information copied from somewhere else? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:13, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

@NilsenAudun Lee has explained what probably went wrong but on the topic of sourcing, you are some way off an acceptable article. You need to demonstrate the wikinotabiliy of the company, which means using sources that are entirely independent of them, reliable, and with significant coverage: see this guide. You should not say stuff like The company proudly traces it´s [sic] roots all the way back to 1857 (my emphasis) unless that's a direct quote from a cited source: we want Wikipedia to have a neutral point of view. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:48, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

It´s a little late in the evening right now for me to deal with the first point, but I react to your point. I´ll admit it was a bit hasty in the end phase there, a mixture of fatigue and pride, but are you sure that I was so "way off"? I linked to Lloyds, which is two centuries removed, and of historical importance and significance, I linked to a stock excchange, which has no immediate commercial interest in the company, and I also linked to an independent magazine. What´s the cut off for you before it passes muster? I grew up on lexicons you couldn´t hold with both hands, and luxury like this was unthinkable back then.

P.S.

I just want to say that neutrality in journalism is called objectivity, as in saying what you see, as opposed to what you feel, or in the immortal words of Immanuel Kant; Ding an sich, und ding an mich. I appreciate your input, perhaps pride is a bit out of place. NilsenAudun (talk) 18:35, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

The fact that a stockexchange lists a company may be proof that that company exists, but what Wikipedia wants is "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Simply mentioning the existence of a company is not significant coverage. Offshore magazine is not a reliable source but WP:USERGENERATED content written by people trying to promote a brand. Polygnotus (talk) 18:56, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Please read WP:BOSS. Polygnotus (talk) 19:01, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Every user has a WP:TALKPAGE, yours is at User_talk:NilsenAudun and every article does too, Draft talk:ABL Group. Polygnotus (talk) 19:14, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Creating a company BIO and overview

I am new to Wikipedia, and I would like to create a company overview and Bio. I would like to find guidelines to ensure this is created correctly. Officially Organic (talk) 16:37, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

You will find that Wikipedia doesn't host a single company overview or Bio, we have articles on notable companies preferably created by people with no connection. Theroadislong (talk) 16:40, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

If it is this company, the WP:USERNAME would be unsuitable. See also WP:BOSS.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:48, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

If only this were true! Wikipedia hosts many "profiles" of little or no worth, but sending them to AFD is such a chore. 126.254.248.239 (talk) 23:24, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

February 18

Creating stub template pages

Hello, Wikipedians! I'm trying to create a page for a stub template using {{asbox}}. Looking at other pages, it says that the data and writing is autogenerated. However, when I put in the same code, nothing happens besides showing the templates. Could someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? 8UB3RG1N3 (talk) 00:34, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

First, please always provide a link to what you are talking about. Presumably you mean, {{Canadian-navy-tugboat-stub}}. I notice that you have unpaired noinclude tags there, so you might want to fix that first. I don't know what you mean by "nothing happens"; I can see the output of the template. The stub system is organized at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting, and I'm not all that familiar with it, but I believe there are some standards for what stubs ought to be created, and what not, and how to organize them. I would suggest asking your question there, at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting. Mathglot (talk) 00:44, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! 8UB3RG1N3 (talk) 01:02, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Wait, what do you mean by "you can see the output"? Can you see the template, or does it show additional writing? 8UB3RG1N3 (talk) 01:03, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

I don't understand the question. Mathglot (talk) 11:19, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

@8UB3RG1N3 As it currently exists, the template renders like this

Is that what you wanted? If so, it is ready to be used, assuming it meets the standards for the Stub sorting project you have already been directed to. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:32, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. 8UB3RG1N3 (talk) 16:23, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Please, help!

Hi all. My article was accepted, but is now tagged with notability. Dear participants, I ask you to check the article and make a decision!

Egov.Press Zzremin (talk) 11:10, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Possibly, your recently created article was not too sufficient and not notable, just in one perspective, Egov.Press is not adequately supplied by sources. It appears that those sources cited are well written in Russian, which causes confusion to non-Russian readers. And also the website, [3] is not noteworthy, reliable (checking at the website, it is classified a non-governmental online newspaper) and renown to be listed. Anyway, someone will investigate and deal with your concern later. Regards, 2001:EE0:4BE2:6F90:2923:8EBD:8993:C44A (talk) 12:02, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I'm sorry. I revised again, there was a moderate set of sources, but most of them seem to be in Russian, thus most people won't understand if they want to read the sources. 2001:EE0:4BE2:6F90:2923:8EBD:8993:C44A (talk) 12:08, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

We do not require sources to be written in English. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:43, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing Yes, that's I'm aware of when moderating my approach. But most people will (perhaps or not, wonder) as it does not support the array of views, just by looking through the article. 2001:EE0:4BE2:6F90:2923:8EBD:8993:C44A (talk) 12:49, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

@Zzremin The tag was placed by User:Star Mississippi, who is an experienced admin, pointing out the notability guidelines for websites. My suggestion for improving your sourcing would be to use the parameters |trans-title= |quote= and |trans-quote= in some of your Russian-language citations so that English-speaking readers would be more informed. This is especially important for the sources which support notability, i.e. the ones meeting all these criteria. Your article has not been nominated for deletion, just tagged for improvement. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:24, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll take care of it. Zzremin (talk) 14:27, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @Michael D. Turnbull. This user has asked this question on three help desks and several user talk pages. I hope they take you up on the translation suggestions to help readers and editors evaluate the sourcing for depth. Star Mississippi 14:58, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Assistance needed

Excuse me, may you take a while instructing me on how can I use the Ultraviolet on mobile? I don't find any option to enable it. Definitely, I will create an account to proceed only after you give me some advice. 2001:EE0:4BE2:6F90:2923:8EBD:8993:C44A (talk) 11:32, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP editor. It looks like Ultraviolent is not yet available on mobile devices, sorry. Qcne (talk) 11:59, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

That's odd. Could you tell me how to install the extension by adding a script to my talk page? 2001:EE0:4BE2:6F90:2923:8EBD:8993:C44A (talk) 12:04, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

You can follow the installation instructions here: WP:UV/GET. Can I ask why an editor with only four edits wants to instal a fairly powerful anti-vandalism script? You must understand policies and guidelines and use this tool within its bounds. Abuse of any semi-automated tool can risk your account being blocked from editing. If you're new to counter-vandalism, you may want to consider joining the Counter-Vandalism Unit Academy first. Qcne (talk) 12:06, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

@Qcne, I do know about it before. I only commit to use it as a test on the sandbox than do anything else! But as always, a kind word for helping me out on the struck. 2001:EE0:4BE2:6F90:2923:8EBD:8993:C44A (talk) 12:10, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

where you go after WP:NPOV/N

I'm looking for the correct dispute resolution procedure.

I'm in the middle of a dispute which has been listed on WP:NPOV/N for almost four weeks. There has been input there from people on both sides, and no new edits have been made to the listing there in a fortnight.

Yesterday I returned to making edits on the subject, which another user from the original dispute reverted today (with the edit summary "fact").

Should WP:NPOV/N discussions get closed somehow? If so, how? If not, where may I escalate this to? Marnanel (talk) 11:57, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard § Founding_of_the_Church_of_England

See WP:DR. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:40, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Inconsistency found at X

Just one minor request, no need to discuss at its talk page, change the last sentence, which declares: Its name in English is "ex" to Its name in English is ex. It highlights the change from "''[[wikt:ex#English|ex]]''" to ''[[wikt:English alphabet#Letter names|ex]]''. 2001:EE0:4BE2:6F90:2923:8EBD:8993:C44A (talk) 13:17, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

•  Done, for consistency with other letter articles (no need for both quotes and ital). Deor (talk) 14:52, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

how do i add an image to a page?

how do i add an image to a page? I am trying to add a photo of Jared Wayne to his page. I have been trying to import a downloaded image onto the edit source page and it doesn't work Cm The King (talk) 13:36, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Cm The King You are not yet autoconfirmed so you cannot upload images. If you personally took the image or it is otherwise free of copyright(you can't assume, it must be explicitly stated), you may go to Wikimedia Commons to upload the image. Otherwise, please go to Files for Upload. 331dot (talk) 13:39, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

@Cm The King The rule of thumb is that any random image you find online is under some sort of copyright and can't be used on WP/Commons. For example, this page [4] says "Copyright © 2023 Houston Texans." Case closed for that pic. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:56, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

No original research

There is a country called Taiwan. The official name of this country is the Republic of China, but it is generally called Taiwan more often in the world. However, there is a rule in Wikipedia that there is no original research. Is it okay not to have sources on the Talk pages to support the fact that "the Republic of China is generally called Taiwan all over the world"? Should these obvious facts also be left with sources? Mamiamauwy (talk) 15:44, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

@Mamiamauwy: Hi there! This has been discussed many times at Talk:Taiwan. Please see that page and its archives. GoingBatty (talk) 16:33, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

@GoingBatty I checked. But this doesn't seem to have much to do with what I'm saying. I'm talking about the Wikipedia rule of "no original research." I wonder if we need materials to support that, even for natural facts like "the Republic of China is more commonly referred to as Taiwan in the world." If not, does this also break the rule of no original research? Mamiamauwy (talk) 03:05, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

You may be looking for WP:BLUE. "Commonly known as Taiwan" is fine. "Commonly referred to as Taiwan all over the world" needs a source and is an unnecessarily strong claim anyway. HansVonStuttgart (talk) 09:16, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Please also read our policy on preferring to use WP:Common names. Shantavira|^{feed me} 17:38, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

I've uploaded a personal picture of myself by accident (a few months back) and I wanna delete it.

Title.

I still have the account, I'm just unsure what to do. It came back to bite me unfortunately. I don't think the picture is used in any wikipedia page either, if that's important.

Thank you guys! Ijtihed Kilani (talk) 16:34, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

If you mean the photo on your user page, you are free to delete it. Are you having difficulty doing that? Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:38, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

@Ijtihed Kilani It is easy to remove the photo from your userpage but somewhat more difficult to have it expunged from Wikimedia Commons where the file is now hosted. You uploaded it over 7 days ago, so to be deleted there it has to go through a process explained at c:Commons:Deletion policy. Follow the instructions carefully and the request is likely to be accepted. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:59, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Pageviews not working

Hi, the Pageviews tool does not seem to be working for yesterday 17 February as views are zero, even for cat and dog. Any ideas what is happening. TSventon (talk) 16:37, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

It's up and running for me as I write this:[5] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:50, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

So page views for cat on 17 February are not zero for you? They are zero for me. I am using Chrome on an old laptop. TSventon (talk) 17:03, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

@TSventon Sorry, I misread you. 17 is empty for me too. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:22, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

I think that User:TSventon means that there is no data in the column for yesterday, February 17, which I agree is missing from the provided link. I'm not sure when yesterday's data is supposed to appear.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:04, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

From my experience, data is normally available by 9.00 UTC the following day, sometimes a bit later. 17.00 is unusually late. Hopefully it will turn up tomorrow. TSventon (talk) 17:09, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

According to the FAQ, it can sometimes take longer than 24 hours. Rummskartoffel 17:11, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Would a page about an individual YouTube video constitute significant coverage of its channel?

On the talk page of WP:BFDI the other day, an editor pondered the possibility of the YouTube channel Abacaba having an article of its own on account of there being "multiple reliable sources" covering it. In response, I created a small source assessment table that currently lists only three sources—Snopes, The Daily Dot and Gizmodo. However, the table's Significant coverage? column is entirely blue at the moment and, even though each source appears to focus on just one of Abacaba's videos, WP:SIGCOV states that the subject does not need to be the main topic of the source material, hence my inquiry.

Even if all these sources mentioned here do count towards GNG, I don't think they would be enough to merit an agreeable article unless additional, sustained coverage is found. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 17:55, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

These articles don't contain much about the channel itself, so most of the hypothetical Wikipedia article would have to be based on sources that don't count for GNG purposes. HansVonStuttgart (talk) 09:31, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Several questions

I hope it’s okay to ask several Qs at the same time … if not, please alert me and I’ll slice and dice.

1. How do we find out if we’re “registered users”? I thought I was one long ago. But when I wasn’t allowed to edit one of the AfD pages — it would have been just proofreading fixes — it seemed to be saying that I wasn’t.
2. How long, more or less, are articles with notices like “citation needed” allowed to stay up — or perhaps stay up but with the questionable material removed?
3. When I edit on my mobile phone, I seem to always be taken into the source code — which I don’t want, if I can avoid it. Can I? This doesn’t happen when I edit on my computer.
4. I see some articles that give ISBN numbers of publications in the Reference section. Is this a preferred practice?
5. I also see a lot of Wiki discussion about barring editors for certain ”sins. Can barred editors ever “repent” and do anything to get back into the good graces of Wikipedia?

Augnablik (talk) 18:10, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Augnablik

1. Yes, you are a registered user. Otherwise, your IP addess would display instead of your user name.
2. Articles with maintenance tags will stay indefinitely, unless they go through a formal deletion process.
3. You can use either mode of editing on your phone. I prefer the fully functional source editor, so I cannot give you much help with the alternatives.
4. Yes, ISBN numbers are preferred for contemporary books. They provide a host of information to readers, including the location of the nearest libraries holding the book.
5. Yes, there are appeal processes available to blocked editors. The difficulty of returning to editing correlates with the severity of the misconduct. Cullen328 (talk) 19:08, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

   Thanks, Cullen328. Most helpful.

   I'll try to find some editor who seems particularly involved with technical questions to help me figure out the answer to Q 3 above. Augnablik (talk) 20:08, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

   Augnablik, you can edit Wikipedia on your phone either in the Wikipedia app or in the browser. When editing in the browser, there should be a pencil symbol near the top of the editor with which you can switch to visual editing. The Wikipedia app does not support visual editing. Rummskartoffel 20:25, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

   @Rummskartoffel, thank you for demystifying what was going on. But now I'm again mystified: this time because it doesn't make sense that something I can apparently do in a browser, I can't do in the Wikipedia app! Augnablik (talk) 20:52, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

   Hello, Augnablik; it may not make sense, but it is true. There are facilities in the web interface which are not available in the app, and vice versa. However, AFAIK any device which can install the app can also let you edit in a browser. Please see User:Cullen328/Smartphone editing. ColinFine (talk) 22:05, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Augnablik, a further note, on your mention of "barring editors" and "barred editors". The verb "bar" isn't usually used here, and using it may obscure the (somewhat complex) distinction between "banning" an editor and "blocking" an editor. -- Hoary (talk) 01:36, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia "specialists" for hire

There are scammers online who pretend to be Wikipedia "specialists" and charge outrageous fees. What if anything is being done to contact the platforms to stop them from offering this "service"/scam? I am talking about platforms like upwork and fiverr, e.g.:

https://www.upwork.com/hire/wikipedia-freelancers/ Polygnotus (talk) 18:22, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

See WP:SCAM. These people are routinely blocked from editing Wikipedia when discovered. Unfortunately there isn't a lot more than can be done. Shantavira|^{feed me} 18:27, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

@Shantavira: I am asking about another thing that can be done, contacting the platforms. Polygnotus (talk) 03:00, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

While it is true that most of these people are scammers, there are a few who follow the relevant policies and guidelines. If two parties mutually agree to a fee, how can it then be called "outrageous"? Cullen328 (talk) 18:52, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

@Cullen328: Some idiot paid 44 billion for Twatter. Both parties agreed to it, does that make it no longer outrageous? But thats all offtopic. Should we contact those platforms and ask them to stop their users offering this "service"/scam. Polygnotus (talk) 03:00, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Some of the people at https://www.upwork.com/hire/wikipedia-freelancers/ are charging $100 an hour. Wish I got paid that 😢.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 19:38, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

ianmacm, before I semi-retired, I routinely charged $150.00 per hour, and people were happy to pay it. I still charge $150.00 per hour for my son's labor. He still works for my small business. Cullen328 (talk) 00:02, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Cullen328, if I agree to a certain rate for exchanging my unneeded piastres for needed lire, the rate may later outrage me when I realize how much better were the rates that would have been available elsewhere. -- Hoary (talk) 01:48, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Hoary, I recommend that you complete your due diligence, whether engaging in a foreign currency exchange or hiring a countertop repair specialist in Northern California or hiring a paid Wikipedia editor. Cullen328 (talk) 03:32, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Can we get back to topic please? What if anything is being done to contact the platforms to stop them from offering this "service"/scam? Polygnotus (talk) 03:00, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Polygnotus, since you are asking in bold, I will answer in bold: Nothing. Properly disclosed paid editing in compliance with policies and guidelines is permitted. Advertising paid editing services violates no policy. Undisclosed paid editing and many of the common business practices that these unethical creeps use is the problem. As an administrator, I have indefinitely blocked hundreds of these people, and will continue to do so. Cullen328 (talk) 03:27, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

@Cullen328: Do you think it would be a good idea to ask those platforms to stop allowing their users to offer that "service"/scam? (e.g. by not allowing ads that contain the word "Wikipedia"). Polygnotus (talk) 03:42, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

you could try... i doubt they'd listen ltbdl (talk) 03:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Polygnotus, I think that it would be a very bad idea to attempt to force either of these private businesses to stop accepting advertising for a category of service that inherently violates no Wikipedia policies or guidelines. If specific paid editing firms are engaging in fraud, then deal with those specific firms. Cullen328 (talk) 03:55, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

I am not a member of the countertop repair mafia so to me there is a difference between a polite request and an attempt to force a company to do something. Polygnotus (talk) 07:12, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

A maddening discovery

I've been editing an article on John Masefield, an English poet, for the past hour or so. My first edits were accepted and published. But my latest ones — which were just like my earlier ones, fixing some proofreading and formatting issues — brought me an alert message that I was editing an older version of the Masefield article and that if I published them, they'd simply revert.

😱

Augnablik (talk) 20:40, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik: You were likely looking at an old version of the page when you clicked the edit button. The message doesn't say that your edits will be reverted, but rather everyone's edits which were made after the version you were looking at (because the newer edits aren't included in the version you were editing, so if you published those changes they would be undone). Try clicking the "Article" button near the top left, then clicking edit again, and the issue should go away. Tollens (talk) 20:47, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

If you are editing a page and taking a while between commits, then consider using {{In use}} to "lock" the page. IMHO, if an editor is daft enough to ignore an in use warning, then they deserve to have their edits lost. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 20:57, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

@Martin of Sheffield, wow, I don't recall learning about the need to lock a page that I'm editing. In all my edits, this is the first time I've ever heard of such a thing or run into trouble because of it. Augnablik (talk) 21:12, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Just as a note: you don't "need" to use this template most of the time – generally it is only helpful if you are going to have the edit window open for an extended period of time without saving frequently. If you make the edit fairly quickly, or if you publish your changes often, this should very rarely be an issue. Tollens (talk) 21:16, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Exactly, hence "taking a while between commits". Martin of Sheffield (talk) 21:19, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

@Tollens: but if I was working on an older version of the article and yet succeeded in making several edits before I got the alert that the edits I was now trying to publish could not be published because I was on an older version of the article, that just does not compute. Why wouldn't I have received that alert for my earlier edits?

Even more importantly, why would older versions even come up at all for editors? Augnablik (talk) 20:59, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm assuming that you are talking about John Masefield (BTW please ALWAYS give a link, it helps others to understand you) then the sequence seems to have been:

• Existing version: 23:12, 24 January 2024‎
• You edited then saved: 19:53, 18 February 2024‎
• You continued to work on version: 19:53, 18 February 2024‎
• JackofOz edited version 19:53, 18 February 2024 to create version: 20:23, 18 February 2024‎
• You then attempted to save the work you were doing, but the system warned you that the version you were using as a basis (19:53, 18 February 2024) wa no longer the latest.

The system only checks the version details as you publish, not as you edit. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 21:13, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

I don't see it linked so far. This is a technical issue called an WP:EDIT CONFLICT, and a limitation of the Wikipedia software. There is advice at that blue-linked "how to" page about how to resolve the issue. Again, just a technical limitation; no one is doing anything wrong or being punished when an edit conflict notice pops up. VQuakr (talk) 21:24, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Center aligned labels on location maps

Hi all, I have just asked a question about labels on location maps at Module talk:Location map. I am adding it here to increase the possibility that someone with knowledge on this issue will notice my question. Thank you very much. — RAGentry (talk) (contributions) 22:20, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Citing newspaper supplements

How do other editors go about citing newspaper supplements? As an example, the source I'm citing was published by the newspaper El Deber but appeared in the supplemental magazine Extra. In such a case, would the work cited by El Deber or Extra? When citing online sources, the difference is probably trivial because everything is hosted on the same site with few differences in layout. However, I prefer to cite the e-paper version of a source where possible, making the difference between the main broadsheet and the supplemental magazine more apparent. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 22:44, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Krisgabwoosh, the first step is to evaluate the reliability of the specific supplement. Many supplements have lower editorial standards than the main publication, and may be directly influenced by advertisers. Cullen328 (talk) 05:49, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

February 19

Finding articles which cite a specific book

Is there any place I can search a title and find all Wikipedia articles with that title in References? Schaffe99 (talk) 00:46, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

I don't think so. But simply searching for the book title (and, if this is too commonly occurring a string, supplementing this with the author's surname), usually brings a result that I find easy to use. -- Hoary (talk) 01:23, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Questions of what citations to use.

Hello, I'm just asking if one of these citations (below) is reliable and independent. Please type in your opinions and reply below to help me on what citations below for me to use for this article. Thanks!

List of citations I am wondering if they are reliable or not.

• TechRadar • SuperCar Blondie • Motor Authority • Motor1.com • The Verge • Green Car Reports • Car and Driver • Motor Trend ⚒️★MinecraftPlayer★³²¹⚒️ Let's Chat! 01:33, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

MinecraftPlayer321, go to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources and look for each of these there. Then go to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. For each of the eight that didn't appear in "Perennial sources", feed its title into "Search the noticeboard archives", and see what you get. If what you find is unclear, or if the source isn't mentioned at all, then ask about it at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. (NB they're potential sources, which you might cite; if you cited one, the result would be a "citation".) -- Hoary (talk) 01:56, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

@MinecraftPlayer321, as far as I know, The Verge is considered a reliable source to use. You can check whether your questioned sources are deprecated or reliable per WP:RS/P#Sources, what Hoary said. 2001:EE0:4BE2:4ED0:9496:F804:F0D4:C864 (talk) 02:08, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks you both! ⚒️★MinecraftPlayer★³²¹⚒️ Let's Chat! 04:02, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Numbering of Endnotes

I am writing an article for Wikipedia called British Prime Minister's Homes. It's in my sandbox if you want to access it.

My issue is this: I have written it in WORD first and then I have imported it to my sandbox for further editing. Everything is working fine EXCEPT: when I import the endnotes the numbering changes from 1,2,3,etc in WORD to i,ii,iii, etc in my Wiki sandbox. I have spent all this evening trying to figure out how to change the numbering without success. BTW it is easy to change the numbering in WORD. ~~~ Terence (talk) 02:12, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Almost everything may be "working fine", Terence, but the formatting of its references is completely incompatible with that of Wikipedia. I mean, the difference between 1, 2, 3 and i, ii, iii is a minor matter compared with the fact that your references, however numbered, won't work. (Wikipedia and MS Word were not designed for each other.) See Help:Referencing for beginners with citation templates and the other help pages to which it links. (You've worked out how to use internal links, though; congratulations on that.) -- Hoary (talk) 04:26, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Editing a page without a physical source

I wanted to add some information to a page on Wikipedia regarding a village my family grew up in, but I obviously don't have a physical source online and want to help them add some information to it. How could I go about adding some information to the page? 2601:18D:4800:5900:D4B8:20DF:A3A1:4E3F (talk) 03:51, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

do you have a reliable source? if no, don't add it. ltbdl (talk) 03:54, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Referencing a YouTube video

There is a video on YouTuber to which confirms a persons ethnicity (Star Wars Theory), by their own admission, and I wished to acknowledge this under the category section on the respective person's Wikipedia page. Would this be acceptable? As another Wikipedia user has reverted the addition. Using YouTube as a reference citation, more so to the fact there's very little information on the said person's page. Many thanks. Bartallen2 (talk) 04:12, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Generally, there being little reliable sourcing on a page does not mean it is acceptable to lower the bar for reliability. I would be wary of adding these claims, though it's likely fine to use a primary source for them, because they might be considered undue. Is it truly important enough to be in their article? Sometimes so, sometimes not. Remsense诉 04:28, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

@Bartallen2 Adding it as a category only, no. Categories should be obvious from text in the article, see WP:CATV. On citing Youtube in general, see WP:RSPYT. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:41, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Looking at the Star Wars Theory article, even if the source checks out, adding a "Personal life" or whatever section just to add "He is [whatever ethnicity]" doesn't strike me as a good idea. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:51, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Btw, I've never heard of this guy, and I'm skeptical about WP-articles on youtubers in general, but with coverage like [6], I get it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:13, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Does this count?

So I was looking on Stereogum and I found a song that is known as a "glam quoting classic". Would I put that song as glam rock? Iamthegoat524 (talk) 04:50, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Without knowing the specific song and its content, it's impossible to be sure, but I don't think it can be applied as a general principle. Some rock songs utilise or quote music from classical composers (examples: A Whiter Shade of Pale, Nut Rocker) – that doesn't make them classical. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 176.24.45.226 (talk) 05:30, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

the song is pump it up by elvis costello Iamthegoat524 (talk) 06:11, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Having lived through the Glam rock era, and having just re-listened to the song, I have to say that it does not seem particularly "glam-rockish" to me. But then, what is the sound of Glam rock – it was a diversely sourced and influenced movement and more defined by the appearance and attitudes of its performers, and in those respects I never thought of Elvis Costello as "Glam". Others may have different opinions. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 176.24.45.226 (talk) 08:07, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Caps for headings

I recently edited an article (see below) and part of that edit included capitalizing the words in a heading. Someone else changed the caps back to lower case and said that "we try to minimise (sic) caps where possible." I'm confused. Capitalizing headings is a basic rule of English as far as I know. Is there a special rule for Wikipedia? If so, why? My mind is boggled. Any help would be appreciated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spawn_(biology)&diff=prev&oldid=1208810833

https://apastyle.apa.org/style-grammar-guidelines/paper-format/headings Citizen127 (talk) 09:28, 19 February 2024 (UTC)