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Black box warnings project, parts 1 & 2[edit]

Help sought. I'm trying to resolve some remaining issues with part 1 of this project. Also, I've posted some ideas about part 2 at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Mismatch_Finder/Collaboration/Purdue_Summer_of_Data_2024#FDALabel%20database.

I thought I'd nearly completed the part 1 import from the FDALabel database, but some data didn't import, and as I mentioned on the Purdue page, I can't figure out why. Like, NIRMATRELVIR AND RITONAVIR (W:Nirmatrelvir/ritonavir is one of the drugs I/OpenRefine failed to mark in wikidata; not sure why. I'm asking for help to get the import/match to work better. I wonder how many pages the warning is displayed on.

Project purpose: I was disturbed to find that most drugs with FDA-mandated Black box warnings had articles that were missing any mention of the boxes or the risks. It is disturbing to me that many pages mentioned minor side effects but left this critical info out. Part 1 changed this, but there's more to do - adding the text of the warnings.

I've just created w:Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#Black_box_warnings_2nd_project to see if there's support for part 2.

-- RudolfoMD (talk) 02:22, 11 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"NIRMATRELVIR AND RITONAVIR" is a different string than Nirmatrelvir/ritonavir so that's likely why there was no automatic match. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 19:00, 11 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OpenRefine fixed it ~yesterday when I did a batch match on pharmaceutical product. Automatic match worked. So must have been something else. (restored to respond)

I'm looking to collaborate on expanding to include the boxed warnings themselves and improving on what's been done. --RudolfoMD (talk) 22:00, 19 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

As part of part 1, I recently made a mistake with too broad a match and would like to undo https://editgroups.toolforge.org/b/OR/a6c733dc547/ but the undo button doesn't work. Can someone help me? It seems I added the label to ~100 papers. The description of the edit is "Missed Truvada too". Template:Needhelp RudolfoMD (talk) 20:26, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Undoing works for me, and it is completed for your job. —MisterSynergy (talk) 21:23, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How many Wikidata Sandboxes do we need?[edit]

Before June 2022, there were only 3 Wikidata (item) Sandboxes, they are Wikidata Sandbox (Q4115189), Wikidata Sandbox 2 (Q13406268) & Wikidata Sandbox 3 (Q15397819). Wikidata Sandbox 4 (Q112795079) was created in June 2022 with a link in jawiki meaning the 4th Wikidata Sandbox. Before its creation, there were already some “sandboxes” being deleted based on the history of Template:Sandboxes/text (see Special:Diff/1391069087). Now, there is the fifth sandbox created and I believe that it is likely not being used frequently based on the edit history on Wikidata Sandbox 2 (Q13406268) & Wikidata Sandbox 3 (Q15397819) shows that alternative sandboxes are less likely being used. As a result, I don’t think that there is a need of creating more alternative sandboxes and I believe that Q123989361 should be deleted or redirected to any one of those 4 sandbox as there are no links from other projects like Q112795079 did. 132.234.228.254 15:20, 24 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm actually a little more interested in why the Japanese Wikipedia seems to think they need their own sandbox linked up to their own wiki testing page (presumably for testing Wikidata stuff). Can someone fluent in Japanese advise them that they should write their templates and modules such that one can specify a parameter to override the QID? And consider removing the sitelink, as there should be no need for explicit sitelinks, especially to sandboxes with such an unlucky number. Infrastruktur (talk) 16:45, 24 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don’t know why they need their own sandbox. What I know is that there are already too many sandboxes that we do not need any new. If Q123989361 don’t deleted or redirected, there may be “Wikidata Sandbox 6” or “Wikidata Sandbox 7” and so on created in the future. That’s why I says Q123989361 should be deleted or redirected. 132.234.229.94 01:07, 25 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If you want to redirect it, then just redirect it. I will do this for you. 210.3.184.46 10:58, 25 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Why do you believe it's too many sandboxes? What problems do you think arise with having that many sandboxes? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 21:34, 25 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The much less edits in Wikidata Sandbox 2 (Q13406268) & Wikidata Sandbox 3 (Q15397819) cause me believe there are too many sandboxes as most test edits are come from Wikidata Sandbox (Q4115189). 132.234.228.110 12:28, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A FAQ, probably, from a WikiData ignoramus[edit]

The English-language Wikipedia article "Ziemassvētki" doesn't appear to be linked from WikiData. As I read the article, its subject sounds to me remarkably similar to what English speakers commonly call "Christmas". Indeed, (i) the article might be retitled "Christmas in Latvia", and (ii) Latvian-language Wikipedia has an article titled "Ziemassvētki" that's about Christmas (Christmas in general, but unsurprisingly with particular attention to that in Latvia).

"Christmas" in WikiData is Q19809. Should this somehow point to English-language "Ziemassvētki", and if so, how; and if not, should something else be done?

(I thought that this might be classed as a "conflict". But no conflict seems to have been resolved since January, whereas at a rough count a squillion are unresolved; so I thought I'd try educating myself.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:58, 25 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ziemassvētki (Q8071686) is linked with that English language article. You could create a "Christmas in Latvia" redirect to the Ziemassvētki article over at LatvianWiki and link it with that Wikidata item. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 21:50, 25 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ChristianKl, sorry for not having noticed Ziemassvētki (Q8071686). Unfortunately I'm unfamiliar with WikiData redirects.Ziemassvētki (Q8071686) is currently an instance of festival (Q132241). That's curiously vague; it would better be an instance of Christmas (Q19809) and also of "Festival in Latvia" or "Latvian festival" -- but the closest that I notice is Category:Festivals in Latvia (Q8447280), and though Christmas-in-Latvia seems to be a member of such a category, it hardly seems to be an instance thereof. At which point I reflected that I really don't understand WikiData and therefore shouldn't make changes that would risk worsening the mess. -- Hoary (talk) 00:26, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
See https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Sitelinks_to_redirects ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 04:16, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ChristianKl, I first thought you were suggesting that I should create "en:Christmas in Latvia" as a redirect to "lv:Ziemassvētki" and -- but let's not continue with that idea, because en:Wikipedia doesn't allow redirects elsewhere. Perhaps you meant that I should create "lv:XYZ" (where XYZ is whatever's the idiomatic Latvian for "Christmas in Latvia") as a redirect to "lv:Ziemassvētki" and link to this new redirect page from Ziemassvētki (Q8071686). That does make sense, but as I neither write Latvian nor trust Google Translate, I'll leave this minor chore for a Latvian speaker. -- Hoary (talk) 10:55, 27 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Some more queries for P407[edit]

  • Is there a "Botswana Sign Language" and "Central African Republic Sign Language"? Can't find it on the List of sign languages.
  • Bhojpuri Bhojpuri (Q33268) is spoken in India. On en.wikipedia it is a redirect. But there is also Bhojpuri spoken in Mauritius, but there's no Q for it?
  • There is Cakchiquel/Kaqchikel (Chimaltenango) Kaqchikel (Q35115) but I can't find Cakchiquel/Kaqchikel (Sololá)?
  • There is xiChangana/Tsonga Tsonga (Q34327) (Spoken in Mozambique and Zimbabwe) but the website has it as two separate languages/dialects. Is there a difference?

Kind regards,  Rodejong  💬 ✉️  09:25, 25 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Neither can I find :
  • Beás or Beas other than a Romani group.
  • Abbey = Abɛ
  • Achi Rabinal (or Rabinal Achi) = achí de rabinal
  • There is Chontal Maya (Q35175) (Tabasco Chontal) spoken in Tobasco. But I can't find Oaxaca Chontal
  • "Congolese Sign Language"? Can't find it on the List of sign languages.
  • Cree (Q33390) exists in Roman written text, but I can't find the Syllabic written text (ᓀᐦᐃᔭᐁᐧᐃᐧᐣ), or is it under the same number? In that case, should it be separated?
Kind regards,  Rodejong  💬 ✉️  12:20, 25 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Merge two items[edit]

These two items should probably be merged.

Gor1995 (talk) 18:16, 25 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why do you believe so when looking at the instance of (P31) values that are different? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 21:33, 25 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I believe both items refer to the same musical concept.
Another hint is that the wikipedia languages of each item don't overlap.
Item Q116690558:
  1. cs - Czech
  2. es - Spanish
  3. it - Italian
  4. ja - Japanese
  5. ko - Korean
  6. pl - Polish
  7. pt - Portuguese
  8. zh - Chinese
Item Q805130:
  1. ar - Arabic
  2. ckb - Central Kurdish
  3. de - German
  4. en - English
  5. et - Estonian
  6. fa - Persian
  7. hy - Armenian
  8. no - Norwegian
  9. simple - Simple English
  10. tr - Turkish
Gor1995 (talk) 21:49, 25 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The article on Japanese Wikipedia cover a variety of topics, and it is not limited to those exclusively addressing specific music genres. Afaz (talk) 05:26, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comparing both languages:
English
Japanese
I'm pretty new here and i'm not sure what to do with this... but this does seem confunsing. Gor1995 (talk) 10:39, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Limitation on Derived statements?[edit]

sternocleidomastoid muscle (Q272830)muscle action (P3310)flexion of the head (Q28793181) . But in the object term, flexion of the head (Q28793181), `relateditems` gadget, nothing is display. Should I not expect sternocleidomastoid muscle (Q272830) show up? JuguangXiao (talk) 18:40, 25 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The gadget only works for properties with an inverse label item (P7087) statement. --Quesotiotyo (talk) 01:36, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I added action by muscle (Q124020721) , and associated it with muscle action (P3310) via inverse label item (P7087). Few seconds later everything shows up. Thanks ✓ Done JuguangXiao (talk) 20:18, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikidata weekly summary #608[edit]

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Welcome to 2023’s Final Weekly Summary!

A big thank you to everyone who contributed to the newsletter this year!👏🙏 As we step into 2024, we'd love to hear what changes you would like to see in the newsletter. Share your wishlist here: What changes would you like to see in the newsletter in 2024?"

  • Discussions
    • Open request for adminship: EPIC (RfP scheduled to end after 26 December 2023 20:34 UTC)
    • New requests for permissions/Bot: Balyozbot. Tasks:
  1. Import sitelinks, labels, descriptions from ku wikipedia pages which use the template w:ku:Template:Înterwîkî etîket û danasîn. (There are over 1800 articles that use this template waiting to be connected to Wikidata at the moment.)
  2. Add sitelinks to kuwiktionary / kuwikipedia categories / create an item for the category if necessary. I have been doing this manually for quite some time using Quickstatements but since I need to get permission for the first task, I will be handling them using a bot as well.
  • Press, articles, blog posts, videos
    • Blogs
    • Papers: Increasing Coverage and Precision of Textual Information in Multilingual Knowledge Graphs by (Conia et al, 2023) --> This paper introduces a novel task of automatic Knowledge Graph Enhancement (KGE) to bridge the gap in the quantity and quality of textual information between English and non-English languages in Wikidata. It presents M-NTA, an unsupervised approach that combines Machine Translation, Web Search, and Large Language Models to generate high-quality textual information, and studies its impact on Entity Linking, Knowledge Graph Completion, and Question Answering tasks.
    • Videos
      • Wikidata, Wikisource and Wiktionary: Wikisource for DH (WiSe 2023) --> The lecture "Fundamentals and application-oriented methods of the Digital Humanities" by Kay-Michael Würzner is designed as a series of lectures in which teachers in the "Digital Humanities" course present their fields of work and key topics and present them for discussion.
      • Empowering Open-Source Generative AI by Integrating the Wikidata knowledge graph --> Generative AI has changed the information ecosystem, and open-source knowledge graphs like Wikidata can become invaluable assets, propelling a myriad of applications forward. Jonathan Fraine & Lydia Pintscher present the practical integration of Wikidata's open-source, open-access knowledge graph to empower Generative AI applications. Harnessing the real-time updated, structured data encapsulated within Wikidata, they explore automated content creation, data augmentation, and semantic analysis, underpinning the generative paradigms. Through a blend of theoretical insights and real-world applications, they elucidate how to leverage Wikidata to elevate generative AI applications, breaking down existing data silos, and fostering a collaborative ecosystem within our global community of developers and contributors.
      • Wiki Indaba 2023 - African content on Wikidata --> Discussion with Alice Kibombo, Georges Fodouop and Jesse Asiedu-Akrofi, about Wikidata for African Librarians during the Wiki Indaba conference, that took place between 3-5 November 2023 in Agadir, Morocco.
      • No Time to Wait - S07E10 - ACMI // Wikidata - Paul Duchesne + Simon Loffler --> Report on recent residency program to extensively link together collection data from ACMI with Wikidata. This work has allowed the organisation to import vast quantities of data and media to enrich their own internet collection experience, as well enable writing information back to source and federating with other linked institutions.
      • Wiki(s)data #5: Wikidata Live editing (in Italian) --> The ontology of Wikidata: how to interact with it for a better quality, by Epìdosis
    • Notebooks
      • Map of K-Pop Idols --> An interactive map where each red dot represents a K-pop Idol (a singer or musician in South Korean Pop music) you are able to click on.
      • Disney as the Mega Corporation it is Today --> Disney has greatly evolved from the simple animation company that first debuted in 1923 with its signature Steamboat Willie animation. This analysis details some of the major acquisitions Disney has chosen to help expand its reach as a media and entertainment company.
      • The Gender-Equality Gap in STEM Awards --> A network graph and multiple data visualizations on UCLA's alumnni awards based on gender.
      • Exploring The Belichick Coaching Tree --> This analyses details the coaching tree of the prolific American Football coach Bill Belichick.
      • State of statues in the US --> Map of how many statues there are, who is depicted in the statues, their genders, and where the statues are concentrated.
      • An Analysis on Nepo Babies: Net Worths and Fame --> This work uses Wikidata to analyze the influence and success of children of famous actors (nepo babies) in the entertainment industry, and compares the careers and net worth of these children with their parents to understand the impact of nepotism on their success.
  • Tool of the week
    • Cersei - is a tool designed for importing or scraping data from various third-party sources, using source-specific Python code. It can use a "headless browser" to scrape complicated websites that rely on eg JavaScript to navigate. It can therefore access data sources that can not be accessed via eg Mix'n'match. The data from sources can be updated regularly, either for everything, or just changed entries (if the source has a "recent changes" equivalent).
    • Wikidata:Zotero/Cita - is a Wikidata addon for Zotero that adds citations (i.e., what other items an item cites) metadata support to this open source reference management software, using cites work (P2860) information available from Wikidata, and enabling users to easily contribute missing data.
  • Development
    • Due to the winter holidays, the development team is taking a break and no deployment is happening for Wikidata at the moment.

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

Watchlist[edit]

I don't suppose there's any possibility at all that we could get around to redesigning the watchlist page SO THAT IT MAINLY DISPLAYS A WATCHLIST? Right now, when I click on my watchlist, I see exacly 1 (one) watched item (without scrolling down). The rest of the page is filled up with crap which is not a watchlist. Something about properties. Sprawling configuration user interface. idk.

Is it completely wrong just to want to see a watchlist on a watchlist page? --Tagishsimon (talk) 14:12, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's a huge problem in Wikidata that RfC discussions and also the deletion discussions don't get a lot of attention. Taking steps so that they will get even less attention is likely not overall benefitial for Wikidata. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 15:54, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Visiting gadgets in my preferences and enabling the enhance watchlist 4th from bottom got rid of it for me Vicarage (talk) 00:24, 27 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Jakub Piwowarski doubles Jakub P Piwowarski[edit]

Jakub Piwowarski (Q124016546) doubles Jakub P Piwowarski (Q64494090). Franek Vetulani (talk) 17:38, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Merged. In future, please see Help:Merge. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:21, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for help! Franek Vetulani (talk) 01:16, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

merge[edit]

Hi everyone. I want to merge Q5699925 with Q94532337 because both are for the same man, but I don't know how to merge. can someone please help me and do it for me ? thanks a lot ? Yektehrani (talk) 06:07, 27 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

✓ Done Ymblanter (talk) 20:10, 27 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Popups[edit]

Navigation popups do not work for me on wikidata*. archives of this page mention them/stuff (PopupsFix, a gadget in beta and one in prefs) in ways that make me think they did and/or should work for items.

RudolfoMD (talk) 07:28, 27 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@RudolfoMD: I have asimilar issue on Wikispecies; see en:Wikipedia talk:Tools/Navigation popups#Not working on Wikispecies. You might want to ask there, also. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:42, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hmm. Do you have the problem here too? I have the problem on Wikispecies, and tried coping Nux's code, and reloading, but it made no difference.
Also, I thought I had and should have mentioned in my OP that by not work, I mean they show raw code that is not terribly useful. Mouseover of Universe (Q1) shows
{"batchcomplete":true,"query":{"pages":[{"pageid":129,"ns":0,"title":"Q1","revisions":[{"revid":2039014625,"parentid":2037341651,"minor":false,"user":"Sofie Geneea","timestamp":"2023-12-28T09:59:18Z","slots":{"main":{"contentmodel":"wikibase-item","contentformat":"application/json","content":"{\"type\":\"item\",\"id\":\"Q1\",\"labels\":{\"fr\":{\"language\":\"fr\",\"value\":\"univers\"},\"la\":{\"language\":\"la\",\"value\":\"universum\"},\"uz\":{\"language\":\"uz\",\"value\":\"Olam\"},\"ru\":{\"language\":\"ru\",\"value\":\"\\u0412\\u0441\\u0435\\u043b\\u0435\\u043d\\u043d\\u0430\\u044f\"},\"pl\":{\"language\":\"pl\",\"value\":\"wszech\\u015bwiat\"},\"nb\":{\"language\":\"nb\",\"value\":\"universet\"},\"eo\":{\"language\":\"eo\",\"value\":\"universo\"},\"it\":{\"language\":\"it\",\"value\":\"universo\"},\"es\":{\"language\":\"es\",\"value\":\"Universo\"},\"de\":{\"language\":\"de\",\"value\":\"Universum\"},\"ca\":{\"language\":\"ca\",\"value\":\"Univers\"},\"en-gb\":{\"language\":\"en-gb\",\"value\":\"universe\"},\"de-ch\":{\"language\":\"de-ch\",\"value\":\"Universum\"},\"fi\":{\"language\":\"fi\",\"value\":\"maailmankaikkeus\"},\"nn\":{\"language\":\"nn\",\"value\":\"universet\"},\"ja\":... RudolfoMD (talk) 01:29, 29 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Milestones[edit]

There is a discussion on Wikidata_talk:Main_Page#Q124000000_entry_not_displayed_on_the_main_page about the alleged significance of round item numbers and if it is noteworthy for inclusion on the main page. Please only comment on the given talk page. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 14:23, 27 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikidata-related grant proposals[edit]

This is related to WD:AN#Recent_crop_of_new_Nigerian_items, but it covers a much broader point, so I am posting it as a separate topic.

I knew that the WMF makes various grants. I recently became aware that grant proposals are posted publicly while awaiting review and the talk pages are open to comments from everyone.

Grant proposals have to describe what work they will cover, and typically name specific WMF projects. Many of them name Wikidata. There are various types of grant, but the criteria for Rapid grants include "Applicants need to demonstrate current editing history and experience on the target Wikimedia project(s) mentioned in their grant application. ... For example, if the applicant is planning to train people on creation or improvement of Wikidata items, the applicant should demonstrate editing and training history on Wikidata." and "Within the last year, applicants have not been repeatedly blocked or flagged for the same issue and/or have not been banned on the Wikimedia Projects. If a block/ban is recorded in the applicant's account history, the applicant is required to demonstrate learning and understanding in regard to the cause for the block, such that they are ready to serve as a role model for others as a grantee."

One lesson I take from this is that it matters whether grant applicants are blocked and, to a lesser extent, whether they get talk page feedback for any mistakes they might be making. I'm not sure what process the WMF goes through to evaluate these criteria, but it surely ought to include a review of block logs and user talk pages for cited projects. I would interpret "repeatedly ... flagged for the same issue" as receiving multiple instances of talk page feedback about the same type of problem, especially when the user is not appropriately responsive to feedback.

I reviewed some of the grant proposals current open for review where the proposal names Wikidata. I specifically focussed on reviewing the experience and record of the editors listed in the grant proposal. My review included examination of deleted contributions. As many of these projects involve community outreach and training of new users, I attempted to evaluate whether editors were likely competent to be Wikidata trainers. I found that grant applicants fell into four main groups: very experienced Wikidata editors with a clean record; moderately experienced editors who make many mistakes such as poor descriptions, empty items, and items that fail to establish notability; editors with little to no experience editing Wikidata; and contributors that cannot be linked to a valid account. Not every participant needs to be highly experienced in every project, but I think it's a red flag if none are in the first group, and a big red flag if any fall into the second group, especially if they also fail to respond to feedback.

So I have three calls to action:

  1. Communicate with users who are making mistakes by leaving messages on their talk pages. In particular, don't use edit summaries to communicate with a user. Do this even if they have past messages about the same problem. This makes it easier for administrators (or anyone else reviewing their record) to see the scale of the problem. It also gives the user an opportunity to respond and improve.
  2. Report (on WD:AN) users who repeatedly make mistakes and do not respond to feedback. This applies even if you believe they are editing in good faith. Administrators will try to fix the problem and will not necessarily block immediately.
  3. Help the WMF by reviewing some of the grant proposals. You don't need to take the same approach that I did. In particular, I made no attempt to evaluate the proposed contribution to Wikidata. See meta:Grants:Project/Rapid/Browse_applications, meta:Grants:Programs/Wikimedia_Community_Fund/Review/2023-24, and various other links at meta:Grants:Start.

Bovlb (talk) 19:13, 27 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

To follow up on this: When investigating the experience of grant applicants, I found some who had a history of making errors but never received any user talk page feedback about it. (They have have received reversion notifications.) Getting feedback about problems is essential for editor development. I found others who had received a lot of feedback, but never responded to any of it and continued to make the same error. This is a case where sanctions such as blocking might have been helpful. I also found many grant proposals related to Wikidata where the criteria above were (in my opinion) not met, but no sign that this is being considered. WMF staff were not responsive to questions about how they evaluate these criteria. I am left with the feeling that the foundation is essentially sponsoring disruption of the project. I don't believe we should be spending foundation money to create extra work for volunteers while also degrading the reputation of the project within the community. Bovlb (talk) 17:24, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for your work! Sadly, I find your evaluation of WMF activity in this field frustratingly plausible. --Emu (talk) 20:09, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks. In reviewing whether an editor would make a good Wikidata trainer, I considered four criteria:
  • Do they have a history of abuse? E.g. blocks, spamming, recreation of previously-deleted items, abusive comments.
  • Do they have significant experience on Wikidata? I'm looking for at least 300 for moderate experience, and over 1,000 for substantial experience. I'd also hope that they managed to create items of more than one type.
  • Do they have a low error rate? This can be assessed using several means: deleted contributions, user talk page feedback; reverted edits; abuse filter log; and reviewing a sample of edits.
  • Are they responsive to feedback? As mentioned above, many have a significant error rate, but have never received feedback. Others get many comments but never respond and never improve.
Bovlb (talk) 20:28, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

LOW-GRADE SEROUS OVARIAN CANCER[edit]

A Wikimedia friend has a type of cancer ... no good prospects - There is a list of publications that I want to include in Wikidata as a project. The projectname would be "Low-grade serous ovarian cancer information hub". Thanks, GerardM (talk) 16:53, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm sorry to hear about your friend, and I wish them all the best.
I'm not sure exactly what you're proposing here. If your plan is to make sure that all of the academic publications on this list have Wikidata items, then that sounds like an excellent plan. If you plan to represent the list itself and link it to the publications, then I'm not so sure. For one thing, it's not clear that this list is a static publication. I imagine that they continually add to it as new publications become available, and possibly remove items that are outdated. Bovlb (talk) 20:48, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There is a huge difference between a "paper based list" and a list based on data like Scholia. In the current paper based list you only find names of papers and a category. When papers are given a subject like "low grade serous carcinoma" in Wikidata they may have or may not have "authors". They may have or may not "cite work"s. As people work the data, the representation of everything linked to a subject or to this list will evolve. My friend may have or may not have the energy to collaborate but as she is a librarian, she understands why this makes sense. She asked me to help her build this up. It showcases how an important list can get additional dimensions in Wikidata and, when as it grows it gains relevance and hopefully usage. Thanks, GerardM (talk) 20:13, 29 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New item for Paul Lushenko[edit]

I tried searching for Paul Lushenko who was interviewed by the WSJ in a story that appeared on the web earlier today. I seached WD and it seems he does not yet have an item here. How can one create a new page for him?

Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 21:37, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There is a "Create new item" in the site navigation, you seem to have created items in the past. Be sure to include references. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 22:04, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for your help @Sjoerddebruin. Yes, I remember vaguely having created a couple of items, but I don't remember which and don't remember how I did it. Anyway, I'll try to figure out where the " site navigation" is, if time permits. I'll assume that Paul Lushenko is "notable" enough to create an item for. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:27, 29 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Re: "Be sure to include references"
I am not sure what references are acceptable at Wikidata. I am not trying to be difficult, but I have recently been criticized on another wmf-wiki for adding links to sites such as YouTube. My contribution was termed "spam", IIRC. I am therefore hesitant to add any links including the one to the WSJ article I mentioned in my original question. I know the WSJ is ok as a reference at the English Wikipedia, but it is paywalled and may viewed taboo wiki-somewhere else.
Am I making sense? Thank in advance Ottawahitech (talk) 15:43, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
it's fine to link to paywalled content here. generally we want references that are serious (which precludes many user-generated publications or pay-to-publish publications) BrokenSegue (talk) 19:07, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Ottawahitech: It's the link below the one you clicked to get to this page (in the left sidebar). --Azertus (talk) 17:16, 29 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Paul Lushenko was already twice mentioned in Wikidata as an "author string". I added him as an author and he can now be seen as such in his scholia  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by GerardM (talk • contribs) at 20:33, 29 December 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]
@User:GerardM Thank you so much for going to all the trouble. I posted a question on the talk page for those interested in Paul Lushenko. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:54, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

https://docs.microsoft.com/ was moved to https://learn.microsoft.com/[edit]

https://docs.microsoft.com/ was moved to https://learn.microsoft.com/. How to rename all those URLs in Wikidata? Midleading (talk) 13:08, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We can use Special:LinkSearch (API) to find all items containing that link. There are about ~600 of them . Looks like [1] redirects to mozilla docs, though. 94rain talk 00:01, 1 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How to edit Image property[edit]

I want to change the image shown for a person. The image in WikiData shows him with closed eyes and there is a better one available in WikiMedia. There appears to be no Image Property edit option. When I select the Edit Whole Page option, it simply offers the name of the person, his occupation, and Other Languages for editing. All other properties present on his listing have no edit option.

This is galling and exclusive. It is extremely hard to understand how to edit this WikiData website. It is so daunting that I have rarely attempted to do so despite having edited Wikipedia for nearly 20 years, and written software professionally for longer. Frankly, I hate how frustrating it is to edit entries here. It is inscrutable, and it is painful to find needed help in the Help section, which I tried without success, for the umpteenth time.

At Help:Properties I read that "You need to be confirmed or autoconfirmed to edit properties". Elsewhere, I read that "more than 50 edits are considered autoconfirmed", but I have 134 edits in the past 11 years. (Only 134, because the interface is so off-putting.)

Anyway, how do I edit an image property when no edit option is presented? Thank you. Spideog (talk) 01:17, 31 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yeah, you should be autoconfirmed by now, it is inconvenient not to be. On a hunch I want you to try the following: Log out from Wikidata and then log back in again on the Wikidata website. If this does not make you autoconfirmed, just let us know and an available administorator will manually add the rights on you user. Infrastruktur (talk) 02:49, 31 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for replying in spite of my bellyaching. I logged out and back in but I still have the original problem. Perhaps an administrator could intervene to help, as you suggest. Ha det godt. Spideog (talk) 02:56, 31 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Spideog: it appears you are already autoconfirmed since 2016. What is the item you are trying to edit? –FlyingAce✈hello 06:38, 31 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It seems that you are editing from mobile, editing statements is not possible in the mobile view. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 09:05, 31 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Sjoerd de Bruin Ha! Thank you, Sjoerd. Your hint worked. I switched to Desktop View in the browser on my mobile phone and the page I wanted to edit then displayed the edit option for the Image Property. I performed the change I wanted in a few seconds. I am grateful for your help.
It's such a queer limitation to exclude so many editors, who may wish to use their mobile phones to edit WikiData, and even odder that the mobile phone editing limitation is not clearly advertised when an editor tries to use a phone.
This simple alert: "Switch to Desktop View" would, I'm sure, based on my experience, sharply reduce the amount of frustration and rage for thwarted editors, and greatly increase WikiData productivity with more editing performed, if this invisible barrier was removed. Thanks again. Spideog (talk) 09:51, 31 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
P.S. My Image Property edit just now did not show up in my Contribution History. It seems I was logged out in the browser window I used. Rest assured, the edit worked.  :)

Relations between courts of law[edit]

I'm looking for a way to indicate the relation between courts in the legal system of a country. For example, United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit (Q286918) hears appeals from a number of district courts including United States District Court for the Western District of Oklahoma (Q7889853). How do we model this? The best way I thought of so far is parent organization (P749) and has subsidiary (P355), but I'm not sure that's a good idea. Thank you in advance for your comments. Happy New Year! Powerek38 (talk) 14:28, 1 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ping @Nw520 who modeled German and Austrian courts along the lines of Q480829parent organization (P749)Landgericht Darmstadt (Q1802826)criterion used (P1013)stages of appeal (Q110805980) --Emu (talk) 17:22, 1 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Introducing an Item Wizard?[edit]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed before. Similar to Upload Wizard on commons and Article Wizard on Wikipedia, I think we should create something similar which can be called ”Item Wizard“ to avoid less experienced users direcctly use the Special:NewItem interface (users can still be allowed to use the interface directly). This item wizard can have a few options:

  • I want to create an item for a Wikimedia page -> displays notability exclusion criteria -> check if the item already exists -> create item
  • I want to create an item for an entity that has an external identifiers -> search for identifiers within existing properties -> create item
  • I want to create an item about myself, my family, friends, or my company -> shows notability guideline -> users need to select one of the criteria, otherwise require users to post on an item requests page
  • ...
  • I'm an experienced user and want to create an item directly (they can definitely still access the Special:NewItem interface directly)

These are just some vague ideas. In the long term, I think we can replace the "Create a new Item" sidebar with this. We may need to open a RfC for this but I'd like to hear some thoughts first. 94rain talk 17:13, 1 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

In principle, this seems like a good idea and may reduce some of the third thing you listed, where someone makes items about Joe Rando. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:46, 1 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
this would be a good idea BrokenSegue (talk) 21:11, 1 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Edit warring[edit]

User:Zubryckiy has been conducting editing wars by changing Ukrainian letters for quite some time Г to Ґ which does not correspond to Chinese spelling. I ask the administrators to take administrative action to stop such destructive actions. Thank you. Jphwra (talk) 20:58, 1 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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