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Continuous references to The Last of Us in the DYK section

The HBO series has appeared in the DYK at least nine times in the past two months (on 27/3, 22/3, 21/3, 12/3, 01/3, 28/2, 21/2, 14/2 and 25/1).

This seems to clash with the guidelines of "What DYK is not": "A means of advertising, or of promoting commercial or political causes. While it is fine to cover topics of commercial or political interest, DYK must not provide inappropriate advantage for such causes (e.g. during election campaigns or product launches)."

Am I missing something? Is it ok to promote ongoing shows on Wikipedia? Rizzardi (talk) 09:20, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

It's not promotion, it's simply linking to what is deemed encyclopedic coverage of episodes of the series you mention. For example, today's hook, "that a same-sex kiss scene in the seventh episode of The Last of Us was censored in some regions" doesn't promote the series in any way, it's simply an observation on society's reaction to it.

Now on whether such a volume of articles should exist at all - personally, my opinion is that having articles for every episode of a TV series is undue and that such pages shouldn't exist even if they ostensibly meet the notability guidelines, per the exemption at WP:NOPAGE. However, the community has a longstanding view that such episodes do warrant their own pages, so that's not a battle to be fought. Regarding the frequency of the hooks, I think that is something that should be considered by promoters - in particular, featuring hooks on the same topic on consecutive days should be avoided IMHO. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 09:29, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

DYK (like any other part of Wikipedia) is inseparably biased towards topics that have users interested in writing articles about them – in this case User:Rhain. While there isn't anything inappropriate per se about this, the fact that DYK has a large turnover of new articles (16 per day at present) means that it's quite likely for something like it to be noticed. I do agree with Amakuru that we can probably mitigate this by spacing similar articles out more, though. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 12:27, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Describing the existence of a thing is not the same as promoting it. This is a non-issue. --Jayron32 14:32, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Describing once or twice the existence of a TV series is one thing, mentioning every single episode is "Next week on HBO..." Rizzardi (talk) 06:57, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Edit to clarify: I know that none of the hooks said "Watch this episode of The Last of Us!" - that would clearly be advertising, but nowadays marketing is less blatant and more oriented towards subtle concepts like repetition, defined as the process of repeating a message multiple times in order to increase brand awareness and consumer recall.

As a comparison, the recent TV series "Wednesday" had about the same amount of relevance, viewership and social interest, yet was mentioned exactly zero times on DYK. Rizzardi (talk) 09:20, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

As already mentioned, since its inception DYK has had runs of similar topics as editors have focused on particular areas. I know that I was personally responsible for runs of contemporary Indonesian authors, works of the literary canon, contemporary films, films of the Dutch East Indies (that was a run of at least 50), actresses and actors... when a Wikipedian is interested in writing articles on individual episodes of a series and then nominating each article for DYK, we will have a run of episode articles (the Wednesday example below is a non-starter, as no articles have been written on those yet - there's still the possibility it could happen). If we were still doing a rotation of three sets per day, it might not be as noticeable, but that ship sailed a long time ago.

I do agree that a bit more space between hooks may be warranted, but to imply that these hooks are meant to advertise or promote a series that was always going to be popular is a disservice to the Wikipedian(s) working on these articles.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 09:59, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

@Rizzardi, apparently no one who is a megafan of Wednesday nominates articles at DYK. I actually hate seeing all this popculture go past, but under current policy there is nothing wrong with an editor writing a new article for each week's new episode, submitting it, and having it run. Valereee (talk) 17:18, 28 March 2023 (UTC)