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Requested moves is a process for requesting the retitling (moving) of an article, template, or project page on Wikipedia. For retitling files, categories and other items, see When not to use this page.

Please read the article titling policy and the guideline regarding primary topics before moving a page or requesting a page move.

Any autoconfirmed user can use the Move function to perform most moves (see Help:How to move a page). If you have no reason to expect a dispute concerning a move, be bold and move the page. However, it may not always be possible or desirable to do this:

  • Technical reasons may prevent a move: a page may already exist at the target title and require deletion, or the page may be protected from moves. See: § Requesting technical moves.
  • Requests to revert recent, undiscussed, controversial moves may be made at WP:RM/TR. If the new name has not become the stable title, the undiscussed move will be reverted. If the new name has become the stable title, a requested move will be needed to determine the article's proper location.
  • A title may be disputed, and discussion may be necessary to reach consensus: see § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. The requested moves process is not mandatory, and sometimes an informal discussion at the article's talk page can help reach consensus.
  • Unregistered users and new (not yet autoconfirmed) users are unable to move pages.

Requests are generally processed after seven days. If consensus is reached at or after this time, a reviewer will enact the request. If not, the request may be re-listed to allow more time for consensus to develop, or the discussion closed as "no consensus". See Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions for more details on the process.

Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a move request as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of the move discussion to determine whether or not the contested close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines.

When not to use this page

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Separate processes exist for moving certain types of pages, and for changes other than page moves:

Undiscussed moves

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Autoconfirmed editors may move a page without discussion if all of the following apply:

  • No article exists at the new target title;
  • There has been no discussion (especially no recent discussion) about the title of the page that expressed any objection to a new title; and
  • It seems unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move.

If you disagree with such a move, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move. If you cannot revert the move for technical reasons, then you may request a technical move.

Move wars are disruptive, so if you make a bold move and it is reverted, do not make the move again. Instead, follow the procedures laid out in § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves.

Requesting technical moves

Technical requests

Uncontroversial technical requests

@DrVogel: Are you moving admin? You doesn't seem as admin even there is no tag in your user page. If my English has a lot of error, you can correct it by yourself and this article missed many years as all countries have Capital punishment article so far. This is mandatory for Ethiopia. The Supermind (talk) 18:48, 3 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've added additional sources for verification now. The Supermind (talk) 19:30, 3 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Administrator needed

Contested technical requests

  • Scopes Trial → Scopes trial (currently a redirect to Scopes Trial) (move · discuss) – per WP:NCCPT QueenofBithynia (talk) 21:53, 31 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I'm not 100% certain about this. The name most often used is Scopes Trial, so in this case the trial is part of the title, not explaining what the Scopes thing is. (If that makes sense.) Sir Joseph (talk) 00:23, 1 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Actually, it looks like Scopes trial is the most commonly used name: [4]. MOS:CAPS says to uppercase terms only if they are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of reliable sources. It looks like the trial in Scopes trial isn't even capitalized in a majority of sources, much less a substantial one. Wallnot (talk) 01:36, 3 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Scopes Monkey Trial seems the common name and per ngrams is regularly uppercased. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:00, 3 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    As you know, regularly uppercased is not the standard. Wallnot (talk) 16:14, 3 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    This Ngram analysis appears to show that "Scopes trial" is more common than either capitalization of "Scopes Monkey Trial". Per Wallnot, "Scopes trial" seems more common than "Scopes Trial" (at least historically if not for the last single data point). Also per Wallnot, Wikipedia uses sentence case, not title case, which differs from the convention followed by some other publications. There is a mixture of uppercase and lowercase in the sources. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:21, 3 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Major League Baseball Wild Card → Wild Card (baseball) (move · discuss) – matching with World Series, League Championship Series & Division Series pages. GoodDay (talk) 15:46, 3 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    If done, "Card" should probably be lowercase in that. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:31, 3 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Requests to revert undiscussed moves

Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves

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The discussion process is used for potentially controversial moves. A move is potentially controversial if either of the following applies:

  • there has been any past debate about the best title for the page;
  • someone could reasonably disagree with the move.

Use this process if there is any reason to believe a move would be contested. For technical move requests, such as to correct obvious typographical errors, see Requesting technical moves. The technical moves procedure can also be used for uncontroversial moves when the requested title is occupied by an existing article.

Do not create a new move request when one is already open on the same talk page. Instead, consider contributing to the open discussion if you would like to propose another alternative. Multiple closed move requests may be on the same page, but each should have a unique section heading.

Do not create a move request to rename one or more redirects. Redirects cannot be used as current titles in requested moves.

Requesting a single page move

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To request a single page move, click on the "New section" tab of the talk page of the article you want moved, without adding a new subject/header, inserting this code: 

{{subst:requested move|NewName|reason=Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.}}

Replace NewName with the requested new name of the page (or with a simple question mark, if you want more than one possible new name to be considered). The template will automatically create the heading "Requested move 3 September 2022" and sign the post for you.

There is no need to edit the article in question. Once the above code is added to the Talk page, a bot will automatically add the following notification at the top of the affected page:

Unlike other request processes on Wikipedia, such as Requests for comment, nominations need not be neutral. Make your point as best you can; use evidence (such as Google Ngrams and pageview statistics) and refer to applicable policies and guidelines, especially our article titling policy and the guideline on disambiguation and primary topics.

WikiProjects may subscribe to Article alerts to receive RM notifications. For example, Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Article alerts/Requested moves is transcluded to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography. RMCD bot notifies many of the other Wikiprojects listed on the talk page of the article to be moved to invite project members to participate in the RM discussion. Requesters should feel free to notify any other Wikiproject or noticeboard that might be interested in the move request, as long as this notification is neutral.

Single page move on a different talk page

Occasionally, a move request must be made on a talk page other than the talk page of the page to be moved. For example, a request to rename Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources to Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing and templates would need to take place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation because the talk page of the project page to be moved, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources, is a redirect to that centralized discussion page. In this type of case, the requested move should be made using the following code: 

{{subst:requested move|reason=(the reason for the page move goes here).|current1=(present title of page to be renamed)|new1=(proposed title of page)}}

The |1= unnamed parameter is not used. The |current1= and |new1= parameters are used similar to multiple page moves described below.

Requesting multiple page moves

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A single template may be used to request multiple related moves. On one of the talk pages of the affected pages, create a request and format it as below. A sample request for three page moves is shown here (for two page moves, omit the lines for current3 and new3). For four page moves, add lines for current4 and new4, and so on. There is no technical limit on the number of multiple move requests, but before requesting very large multi-moves, consider whether a naming convention should be changed first. Discuss that change on the talk page for the naming convention, e.g., Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (sportspeople).

To request a multiple page move, edit at the bottom of the talk page of the article you chose for your request, without adding a new header, inserting this code: 

{{subst:requested move
| current1 = Current title of page 1
| new1     = New title for page 1 with the talk page hosting this discussion
| current2 = Current title of page 2
| new2     = New title for page 2
| current3 = Current title of page 3
| new3     = New title for page 3
| reason   = Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.
}}
See also: Template:Requested move/extended blank

For example, to propose moving the articles Wikipedia and Wiki, put this template on Talk:Wikipedia, and replace current2 with Wiki. The discussion for all affected articles is held on the talk page of the article at page 1 (Talk:Wikipedia). Do not sign a request with ~~~~ as the template does this automatically. Do not skip pairs of numbers.

RMCD bot automatically places a notice section on the talk page of the additional pages that are included in your request, advising that the move discussion is in progress, where it is, and that all discussion for all pages included in the request should take place at that one location.

Occasionally the discussions for significant multi-move requests may be hosted on WikiProject talk pages or other pages in Project namespace. For multi-move discussions hosted on a page which is not itself proposed to be moved, specify |current1=Current title of page 1 for the first page to move.

Request all associated moves explicitly

Please list every move that you wish to have made in your request. For example, if you wish to move Cricket (disambiguation) to Cricket because you do not believe the sport is the primary topic for the search term "Cricket", then you actually want to move two pages, both Cricket (disambiguation) and Cricket. Thus you must list proposed titles for each page affected by your request. For example, you might propose:

If a new title is not proposed for the sport, it is more difficult to achieve consensus for a new title for that article. A move request that does not show what to do with the material at its proposed target, such as:

is incomplete. Such requests may be completed as a request to decide the best new title by discussion.

Template usage examples and notes
Talk page tag Text that will be shown (and usage notes)
{{subst:Requested move|new|reason=why}}
links talk edit
Requested move 3 September 2022

Wikipedia:Requested moves → New – why Example (talk) 20:38, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Use when the proposed new title is given.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:.
This tag should be placed at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.Reply[reply]

{{subst:Requested move|?|reason=why}}
Requested move 3 September 2022

Wikipedia:Requested moves → ? – why Example (talk) 20:38, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Use when the proposed new title is not known.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:.
This tag should be placed at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.Reply[reply]

{{subst:Requested move|new|reason=why|talk=yes}}
Requested move 3 September 2022

Wikipedia:Requested moves → New – why Example (talk) 20:38, 3 September 2022‎ (UTC)Reply[reply]

Survey
Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this subsection with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
Discussion
Any additional comments:



This template adds subsections for survey and discussion.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:
Click the "New Section" tab on the talk page and leave the Subject/headline blank, as the template by default automatically creates the heading.

{{subst:Requested move|new1=x|current2=y|new2=z|reason=why}}
Requested move 3 September 2022

– why Example (talk) 20:38, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted.
Be sure to use the subst: and place this tag at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.
Add additional related move requests in pairs (|current3= and |new3=, |current4= and |new4=, etc.).Reply[reply]

{{subst:Requested move|new1=?|current2=y|new2=?|reason=why}}
Requested move 3 September 2022

– why Example (talk) 20:38, 3 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Commenting on a requested move

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All editors are welcome to contribute to the discussion regarding a requested page move. There are a number of standards that Wikipedians should practice in such discussions:

  • When editors recommend a course of action, they write Support or Oppose in bold text, which is done by surrounding the word with three single quotes on each side, e.g. '''Support'''.
  • Comments or recommendations are added on a new bulleted line (that is, starting with *) and signed by adding ~~~~ to the end. Responses to another editor are threaded and indented using multiple bullets.
  • The article itself should be reviewed before any recommendation is made; do not base recommendations solely on the information supplied by other editors. It may also help to look at the article's edit history. However, please read the earlier comments and recommendations, as well as prior move requests. They may contain relevant arguments and useful information.
  • Vested interests in the article should be disclosed per Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI.

When participating, please consider the following:

  • Editors should make themselves familiar with the article titling policy at Wikipedia:Article titles.
  • Other important guidelines that set forth community norms for article titles include Wikipedia:Disambiguation, specific naming conventions, and the manual of style.
  • The debate is not a vote; please do not make recommendations that are not sustained by arguments.
  • Explain how the proposed article title meets or contravenes policy and guidelines rather than merely stating that it does so.
  • Nomination already implies that the nominator supports the name change, and nominators should refrain from repeating this recommendation on a separate bulleted line.[a]
  • Do not make conflicting recommendations. If you change your mind, use strike-through to retract your previous statement by enclosing it between <s> and </s> after the bullets, and de-bold the struck words, as in "• Support Oppose".

Please remember that reasonable editors will sometimes disagree, but that arguments based in policy, guidelines, and evidence have more weight than unsupported statements. When an editor offers an argument that does not explain how the move request is consistent with policies and guidelines, a reminder to engage in constructive, on-topic discussion may be useful. On the other hand, a pattern of responding to requests with groundless opinion, proof by assertion, and ignoring content guidelines may become disruptive. If a pattern of disruptive behavior persists after efforts are made to correct the situation through dialogue, please consider using a dispute resolution process.

Closing a requested move

Any uninvolved editor in good standing may close a move request. Please read the closing instructions for information on how to close a move request. The Simple guide to closing RM discussions details how to actually close a requested move discussion.

Relisting a requested move

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Relisting a discussion moves the request out of the backlog up to the current day in order to encourage further input. The decision to relist a discussion is best left to uninvolved experienced editors upon considering, but declining, to close the discussion. In general, discussions should not be relisted more than once before properly closing.[b] Users relisting a debate which has already been relisted, or relisting a debate with a substantial discussion, should write a short explanation on why they did not consider the debate sufficient to close. While there is no consensus forbidding participation in a requested move discussion after relisting it, many editors consider it an inadvisable form of supervote. If you want to relist a discussion and then participate in it, be prepared to explain why you think it was appropriate.

Relisting should be done using {{subst:relisting}}, which automatically includes the relister's signature, and which must be placed at the very end of the initial request after the move requester's signature (and subsequent relisters' signatures).

When a relisted discussion reaches a resolution, it may be closed at any time according to the closing instructions; there is no required length of time to wait before closing a relisted discussion.

If discussion has become stale, or it seems that discussion would benefit from more input of editors versed in the subject area, consider more widely publicizing the discussion, such as by notifying WikiProjects of the discussion using the template {{RM notification}}. Banners placed at the top of the talk page hosting the move request can often be used to identify WikiProjects suitable for notification.

Notes

  1. ^ A nominator making a procedural nomination with which they may not agree is free to add a bulleted line explaining their actual position. Additional detail, such as sources, may also be provided in an additional bullet point if its inclusion in the nomination statement would make the statement unwieldy. Please remember that the entire nomination statement is transcluded into the list on this page.
  2. ^ Despite this, discussions are occasionally relisted more than once.

Current discussions

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This section lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

This list is also available in a page-link-first format and in table format. 54 discussions have been relisted.

September 3, 2022

September 2, 2022

  • (Discuss) – Bulldog Stadium → Valley Children's Stadium – In July 2022, the stadium was officially renamed under a 10 year agreement. I have not performed a move like this and I know the old name shows up in many places. Any help with making sure this move is done successfully is requested. Also if anyone has input on the move itself please add. Nweil (talk) 18:59, 2 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Nick (disambiguation) → Nick – No clear primary topic, the given name has 1,180 views but the TV channel has 9,644[[6]], the DNA meaning has 779, the novel has 333 and the place has 33. Nickelodeon which also comes up in Google and Images searches has 81,059[[7]]. Also when you factor the other meanings like stealing, nickname and getting arrested its not clear the given name is primary by long-term significance either even if they are possibly informal abbreviations. Google, Images and Books are split. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:43, 2 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Schiller Woods magic water pump → Schiller Woods water pump – The current title is not a common name for this subject – I can only find one source (a blog) that uses the exact phrase "magic water pump" in this connection, and one more (ABC) that calls it a "'magic' water well" (with "magic" in quote marks). The pump is, in fact, more commonly referred to as the "Fountain of Youth", but this is obviously not an appropriate title for this article.
    Therefore, since there is no suitable common name, a simple descriptive title is best, which should adhere to the article title criteria. The current title, in my opinion, fails the tests of naturalness and concision: policy on the latter point states that the title should be "no longer than necessary to identify the article's subject and distinguish it from other subjects." There are no other Wikipedia articles about water pumps in Schiller Woods, so the descriptor "magic" is not needed for disambiguation purposes, and makes the title longer than necessary.
    The current title also, in my view, falls foul of WP:NPOVTITLE, which says that descriptive titles should "reflect a neutral point of view, rather than suggesting any editor's opinions". The water pump is not magic, and the insertion of this word into the title gives the impression, at least, of non-neutrality. Sojourner in the earth (talk) 17:15, 2 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Teenage pregnancy → Adolescent pregnancy – Although "teen pregnancy" and "teenage pregnancy" are more commonly used, I think this page would benefit more from being moved to "Adolescent pregnancy" for the following reasons: #Since "teenage" exclusively means the ages between 13 and 19, this implies that the numbers ending in "teen" have a magical power inaccessible before one's 13th birthday or vanished by their 20th birthday, which is obviously unrealistic. Since "teenage" is in the title, information about pregnant girls under 13 or pregnant young women in their early 20s isn't relevant to the age range specified in-title, but at the same time the information is crucial since preteen girls and young women in their early 20s are similarly affected as early teens and late teens respectively and basing a dividing line on numeral semantics is ludicrous. The only way to make the information about preteens and early 20s relevant is to replace "Teenage" in the title with "Adolescent". #:I also don't think "Underage pregnancy" would work either since female minors over the age of consent are still physically at risk and lack a fully mature pelvic atructure, in addition to being socioeconomically undeveloped, hence why comprehensive approaches to sex education strongly recommend them to use birth control or for their male partner to wear a condom should they engage in vaginal intercourse. Thus, "adolescent pregnancy" covers a more diverse range of ages encompassing the gradual physical maturation of a fertile female without being limited to legal matters or a number pattern. #I know the article is focused more on 15-19-year-olds than 13 or 14-year-olds, but covering pregnancy in early teens within the same article as mid-to-late teens just because their numerical ages all share a linguistic pattern is misleading and harmful because early teens are still children who are under the age of consent, and they often get pregnant for different reasons than older teens (rape, incomplete sexual education with not enough understanding about safe sex). #Most adolescence-based articles (e.g. Adolescent sexuality) use "Adolescent" in the title instead of "Teenage" or "Teen". By the way, I think we should create a separate article for underage pregnancies in preteen and early teen girls since they already exist in category form and to differentiate between biologically and legally harmful pregnancies in early pubescent girls under the age of consent vs. socioeconomically harmful pregnancies in mid-to-late teens and early 20-somethings who are of legal consenting age and past puberty but not yet experientially mature to raise a child. There's already a significant amount of coverage for the former at Child sexual abuse (which also includes cases of older teens above the age of consent who were raped by legal adults of a significant age and power difference) and at Statutory rape regarding close-in-age minors, but I think underage pregnancies are distinct enough from general adolescent pregnancy to sustain a standalone page. WashyGenius (talk) 09:24, 2 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Outside (David Bowie album) → 1. Outside – Primarily on the grounds of WP:Natural disambiguation, to use "an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title". Sources - and physical releases of the album itself - utilise title both with and without "1." appelation, so the natural disambiguation should be used. See [8] and [9] from artist's official website (NB Selecting "1. Outside", reading the lack of space in "1.OUTSIDE"/"1.Outside" as part of stylisation). U-Mos (talk) 00:09, 2 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss) – UST Golden Tigresses volleyball team → UST Golden Tigresses volleyball – Philippine varsity teams are not included in WP:CBBALL and WP:CFB, but there's no reason we can't follow their naming conventions here, as the idea came from the U.S. In the Philippines, most women's teams (except the Ateneo Blue Eagles which are called the "Blue Eagles" in every sport, gender and level of competition) use the "female" version of the men's team. In these cases, the "UST Growling Tigers" become the "UST Golden Tigresses". However, still others use a sports-centric nickname (volleyball teams become "Spikers", soccer teams become "Booters", etc.), still some others are unique: the men's volleyball teams of the De La Salle Green Archers are the "De La Salle Green Spikers" (usual naming convention) but the women's teams are simply the "De La Salle Lady Spikers". Using the U.S. naming convention of "<team name> <sport>" (notably without the word "team"); this RM should be a simple move to what is the standard elsewhere, and the standard being discussed in other WP:RMs about this. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:03, 2 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

September 1, 2022

  • (Discuss) – Wale (disambiguation) → Wale – No clear primary topic, the ship part has 698 views but the rapper has 11,451, the surname has 15, the defunct radio station has 5, the place in Poland has 8 and the place in England has 1[[10]]. While the ship part may be primary by long-term significance it clearly isn't by usage. Confusion with the animal and country are also possible but I wouldn't put much weight to that since they are probably not ambiguous with "Wale". Google returns more results for the rapper than ship type, Images only returns the rapper and Books is unclear but at least doesn't appear to return the ship type. A discussion at Talk:Wale (rapper)#Requested move in 2013 to make the rapper primary failed but in this case the proposal is no primary topic. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:31, 1 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Mocha, Yemen → Mokha – The alternative name "Mokha" is both a better transliteration, the خ in Arabic script is Romanized by default as 'kh', and well sourced, and so is a viable form of natural disambiguation. In a control group of scholarly hits from 2022, Mokha had 29 hits to 39 hits for Mocha (I filtered out the term "coffee" from the search to avoid references to the beverage or beans) - so the usage is fairly comparable, but while Mocha requires disambiguation, Mokha, which already redirects here, actively disambiguates. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:50, 1 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Greek revolt of 1567–1572 → Anti-Ottoman revolts of 1565–1572 – Per numerous sources (Malcolm 2015, Muhaj 2022, Xhufi 2017, Shabani 2020...) the events preceding the Battle of Lepanto involved different rebellions against Ottoman rule in different parts of the Balkans. The current title is simply not accurate. Events in different regions can still have their own subsections in the article of course. Çerçok (talk) 10:11, 1 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Rendagam → Ottu (film) – Primary version name that receives more information online. A Google search of Ottu brings information from more recent information while Rendagam brings more older information (two weeks ago). Take the most recent source, Ottu is mentioned a couple times while Rendagam is put of as the "Tamil version" for which Boban did not dub for. Other recent sources here and here. Trailer views vs trailer views (the fact that one of the actors (Boban) did not dub for Tamil version/he is a Malayali actor may have caused this views difference). DareshMohan (talk) 06:52, 1 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Oru Kadhai Sollatuma → The Sound Story – A CBFC search yields nothing for the Tamil dubbed version while the original Malayalam version give two tables: one says THE SOUND STORY (HDD) and THE SOUND STORY. The first one is from 2018 and the second one is from 2019, both certified in Thiruvananthapuram. The Times of India reviews clearly list the original versions and the review only lists Malayalam. There is also this review (which is under the title Sound Story. The review also lists Malayalam first. With a predominant Malayalam/Mollywood cast and crew, a perfect lipsync trailer, it is best to move the page back to its primary title vs a dubbed one. Also note the poster of the film on this page uses the new title only. DareshMohan (talk) 05:54, 1 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Oculus → Oculus (architecture) – Other uses (the gaming system and the New York landmark) are much more likely to be searched for than the architectural term. Their names are not even derived from the architectural term, but rather from the fact that oculus means simply eye. Onceinawhile (talk) 03:43, 1 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 31, 2022

  • (Discuss) – FCSB → FC FCSB – The name of this page is not consistent with the naming conventions for articles on sports teams. In cases where there is no ambiguity as to the official spelling of a club's name in English, the official name should be used. There are numerous examples to be found, such as Manchester_City_F.C.. Please support consistency accross Wikipedia by renaming and moving this article to FC FCSB. For avoidance of doubt, this information can be found on the official website of the team - English language version: This is the only official website (...) and it is a registered trademark ©FC FCSB SA. Gunnlaugson (talk) 22:06, 31 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Grins → Grins, Austria – WP:ASTONISH, no clear primary topic per WP:PLURALPT, the facial expression Smile of which while "grin(s)" may be a bit informal is quite common and thus it seems unlikely there is a primary topic for the plural, the facial expression has 6,113 views compared with only 48[[14]] for the place and there is also a song though NN. The facial expression is also likely primary by long-term significance. Redirect back to Grin per WP:DABCOMBINE. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:26, 31 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Shunting → Shunting (neurophysiology) – I believe that the word "shunting" most commonly refers to the railway operation and have never heard it used in other contexts. I am aware my interests skew this a little, but looking at WMCloud Massviews Analysis, the railway operation has far more views than this page. I would also tolerate "shunting" being a disambiguation page and the title of this page being somewhat different, but I strongly believe that this is not the primary topic for "shunting" Computerfan0 (talk) 15:25, 31 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 30, 2022

  • (Discuss) – Bus No. 8 (Bangkok) → Route 8 (Bangkok bus route) – The term "bus number" generally refers to a specific single bus, but this article describes the "route" or "line" as assigned by BMTA/Ministry of Land Transport (which will be renamed to 2-38 per its reform plan). A move to other similar names (that do not mention the "number") instead of this proposed name can be suggested. NotCory (talk) 09:59, 23 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 21:30, 30 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Jack and Coke → Bourbon and Coke – "Jack" is just one brand that can be used in this common U.S. southern drink. Other brands are often used as well, such as Jim Beam or Evan Williams, and Bourbon and Coke already redirects here. There isn't really a sufficient amount of distinct subject matter to support two separate articles about a cocktail in which the only difference is the brand of whiskey, so using the more general one seems more appropriate. When the title of this article was discussed three years ago, we may have gotten hung up on whether "Coke" should be changed to "cola" or not. In the southern U.S., "Coke" is frequently used to refer to any cola. Considering the effect of the combination of ingredients, it doesn't really make a big difference which brand of either ingredient is used. While the term "Coke" is often used generically, the term "Jack" is not. "Jack" only refers to the Jack Daniel's brand. Most bourbon drinkers would give you a very confused (and possibly insulted) reaction if you referred to their bourbon as "Jack". Per previously-cited Ngram evidence, "Bourbon and Coke" is a term that has been more historically dominant than "Jack and Coke" and remains in frequent use. Although Jack and Coke is currently popular, this is partly a scope question. As I mentioned, Bourbon and Coke redirects here, so the scope should include both topics, but the title doesn't currently fit the scope. Although the Jack Daniel's brand is not marketed as "bourbon", it fulfills the definition of what bourbon is (and is required to, under terms of the North American Free Trade Agreement and the laws governing production of Tennessee whiskey). See also Rum and Coke. Please also see the previous RM discussion commentary. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:32, 30 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Médecins Sans Frontières → Doctors Without Borders – The English name for this organization is Doctors Without Borders. Since this site is written in English, and the subject of this article has a common name in English, the article title should also be written in English. This is the English Wikipedia, not the French Wikipedia. In every other Wikipedia this article's title is in the language used by that Wikipedia - why should the English Wikipedia be any different? Crossover1370 (talk | contribs) 04:32, 23 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 07:19, 30 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Fairchild PT-19 → Fairchild PT-19 Cornell – Traditionally, the name "Cornell" has been reserved for the Royal Canadian Air Force operated examples and not applied to those used by the United States Army Air Force. However, multiple sources[4][5][6] state that the official nickname for the airplane was "Cornell". The September 1944 parts catalog for the airplane includes the name "Cornell" under the heading "British Model", but this is common to manuals for other aircraft (e.g. B-25) that also list their American official nickname (e.g. Mitchell) under the same heading.[7][8][9] According to WP:AIR/NC the standard format is Manufacturer-Designation-Name.[a]

Notes

  1. ^ For reference to similar discussions, see sections on the talk pages for the KC-97 and T-33.

– Noha307 (talk) 00:56, 30 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 29, 2022

  • (Discuss) – De Coelesti Hierarchia → Celestial Hierarchy – As suggested previously, this is a page for an influential work written in Ancient Greek, most commonly referred to by its English name in Anglophone writing. There is a redirect page at this title at the moment but it has minimal useful material. AndrewNJ (talk) 11:27, 15 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 16:22, 22 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:43, 29 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Sir Lawrence Clarke, 7th Baronet → Lawrence Clarke (athlete) – He is primarily known for being an athlete, and as such his WP:COMMONNAME is Lawrence Clarke, not Sir Lawrence Clarke, 7th Baronet. This article was unilaterally moved in 2020, but I believe that the previous name was much more sensible, as it's the common way to disambiguate sportspeople. Whereas disambiguating an Olympic sportsperson by a peerage name that isn't used in most of the sources in the article seems incorrect to me. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:22, 22 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:35, 29 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss) – BDI Bridge → Elm Park Bridge – It looks like the official name is "Elm Park Bridge" while the alternate name is "BDI Bridge" - it even says as much in the introduction of the article. I'm wondering if the official name should be used as the article title (Elm Park Bridge) with a redirect from the unofficial name, as opposed to the other way around? MuzikMachine (talk) 14:29, 29 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss) – The Troubadour, London → ? – The name of the club is "Troubadour" and not "The Troubadour". I'm not sure why the original article was titled using The as "The" has nothing to do with the name of the historic music club and coffee house in London established in 1954. It is also very low in search engine results, well below Troubadour in LA even though they were were establised in 1957, 3 years later than Troubadour in London and their wiki page says that they copied the historic club in London even down to the typestyle in their building sign. 2601:188:CA80:E410:3199:B8BF:725:984A (talk) 15:00, 25 August 2022 (UTC) Nomination updated, originally requested a change to Troubadour but this is clearly not the primary topic. Other options discussed below. Primefac (talk) 08:16, 29 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 28, 2022

  • (Discuss) – Mirpur, Azad Kashmir → Mirpur – Though this was moved to its current place recently, I agree with what user @BeanGreenCar: said, and that this should simply be called Mirpur as it is the main topic for the name. The page views continue to show that it is by far the most popular article with this name: Page view comparison . And per WP:PTOPIC and WP:COMMONNAME, in common/colloquial use the city of Mirpur that this article about is well known enough that it would be assumed "Mirpur" means Mirpur, Azad Kashmir unless the speaker specified otherwise. The other listings on the disambiguation page are for places that are quite small by comparison, or for which "Mirpur" is really an alternate name to a more common one. Middle river exports (talk) 20:02, 28 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Tarantino (disambiguation) → Tarantino – A language or dialect is quite a significant topic, but at the moment a search for Tarantino unqualified leads to a redirect to a single person, Quentin Tarantino. While this person is well known and likely the most notable living person with this surname, I do not think this is the most helpful destination page for Tarantino. I have created this disambiguation page linking to the surname (and in turn the people with it) and the dialect. Middle river exports (talk) 19:46, 28 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Philippine drug war → ? – "Philippine drug war" is not the WP:COMMONNAME. Sources either describes this campaign as a "war on drugs" or a "drug war" (without the adjective "Philippine", and if they do add a modifier it is "Philippines' "drug war"). Its also occasionally called as "Duterte's Drug War". Also there is uncertainty on how current President Bongbong Marcos would approach this campaign so its difficult to determine the end of the "Philippine drug war" since the country has always been launching campaigns against illegal drugs even before Duterte. Though admittedly minus the notoriety of Oplan Tokhang. Marcos is unlikely to explicitly state to end the drug war and announced a policy shift (PNA) I suggest renaming this article to (but not limited to): *Philippine war on drugs (2016–2022) *War on drugs of Rodrigo Duterte (2016–2022) Hariboneagle927 (talk) 09:48, 14 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 12:39, 21 August 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 17:06, 28 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Anazzah → Anizah – This is the most well-sourced romanization of the name from the sources used in the page[10] [11] [12], and it is closer to the autonym in the Anizi dialect. The current title does not seem to be sourced, and implies gemination on the Z when there is none. See discussion above for more details. High surv (talk) 15:33, 28 August 2022 (UTC) High surv (talk) 15:33, 28 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Temple ring → Temple ring (headwear) – Now Rings in Germanic cultures exists, in which a temple ring is a commonly used term to describe a ring used in a cult house for religious purposes, I believe this should be renamed to specify the difference. A disambiguation page can be made to help distinguish the two. I've seen pages link to this in error due to the confusion between terms and the lead section of this page actually talks about this other role, acting half as a disambiguation page already. Ingwina (talk) 13:45, 28 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Kamenáč → Aschberg – The article was recently moved, in good faith, from Aschberg to Kamenáč on the basis that the summit lies within the Czech Republic. However, it is clear that a) the mountain as a whole is very much on the Czech-German border and b) that, looking at ngram viewer, it has always been called the Aschberg in English sources whereas Kamenáč does not register at all in English sources. The location of the summit is less relevant than the English WP:COMMONNAME used in WP:RS. Bermicourt (talk) 11:24, 28 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Frederick I, Holy Roman Emperor → Frederick Barbarossa – Recently, our perfect consistency of naming Holy Roman Emperors from Otto I to Francis II was broken by a bold move of Otto I to Otto the Great, which I considered reverting but decided to let stand to see if anyone noticed and objected. I have thought about it and I think there are just two emperors who are better known by a nickname than a number: Otto I and Frederick I. There is a recent scholarly biography that is title Frederick Barbarossa: The Prince and the Myth. In ngrams, Frederick Barbarossa beats Frederick I (and that includes all Fredericks the First). In short, this is an exception to the rule. Srnec (talk) 01:23, 28 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 27, 2022

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  • (Discuss) – LaGuardia Committee → ? – Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically. deisenbe (talk) 18:41, 27 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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  • (Discuss) – Adelaide–Darwin railway line → Tarcoola–Darwin railway line – The line to Darwin originates at Tarcoola; the link to Adelaide is run across separate railway lines. Owner/manager of the line Aurizon (and previously One Rail) refers to the line as running Tarcoola to Darwin as do official studies [17] [18] [19] and current media [20]. Going further back, the original ownership body AustralAsia Railway Corporation refers to the then-yet to be constructed line as "The railway will operate between Tarcoola, north-west of Adelaide, and Darwin in the Northern Territory, connecting to the Port of Darwin." – Nick Mitchell 98 talk 12:39, 9 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 16:48, 16 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 18:20, 23 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss) – 1948 Palestinian exodus → 1948 Palestinian expulsion – the current title represents a failure of NPOV - the descriptive terminology for this event fall across a wide spectrum, ranging from exodus to expulsion to forced expulsion and on to ethnic cleansing - with 'exodus' being the favoured terminology of those trying to minimize it, and 'ethnic cleansing' that of those trying to maximize it. "Expulsion" seems like a middle ground that acknowledges the non-voluntary nature of these population movements in a way that exodus (which is borderline euphemism) fails to do, but without heaping on the opprobrium. It also wins the numbers game. "1948 Palestinian expulsion" drums up 322,000 hits to the 260,000 hits of 1948 Palestinian exodus. On Google Scholar, expulsion wins by some 38,800 hits to exodus' 31,600 hits. While "1948 Palestinian exodus" superficially appears to pop up quite a lot on Google Scholar as a set phrase, almost every mention is in association with a single academic: Dr Nets‐Zehngut - if we remove these entries, it appear very little as a set phrase. Hits for the expulsion wording actually increase to 42,400 hits with Nets‐Zehngut removed - not sure how that works. Anyway, what is clear is that there is little numerical support in the literature for the POV use of "exodus" as favoured by Yoav Gelber, Benny Morris and others, over less euphemistic middle-ground alternatives. Expulsion, on the other hand, is favoured by the likes of Nur Masalha, but also draws in academics without a stake in the conflict, such as Rosemarie Esber, as well as mainstream media usage, see here in Haaretz (making it a far more inclusive and ecumenical umbrella term), while still falling a long way shy of the far-side-of-the-spectrum terminology used by the likes of Ilan Pappé in The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:59, 8 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:18, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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  1. ^ "Official site of Gmina Biała".
  2. ^ "Bulletin of Public Information of Biała City Council".
  3. ^ At https://bdl.stat.gov.pl/ (Statistics Poland database), teritorrial unit 1610014 representing the town is called Biała.
  4. ^ Recognition Pictorial Manual (Supplement No. 4 ed.). Washington, D.C.: War Department. 27 April 1946. p. 6. Retrieved 30 August 2022.
  5. ^ "Army and Navy to Designate Warplanes by Popular Names". Morning Call. 25 January 1943. p. 20. Retrieved 30 August 2022. (transcribed text)
  6. ^ AAF: The Official Guide to the Army Air Forces. New York, NY: Pocket Books. 1944. p. 127. (transcribed text)
  7. ^ Airplane Parts Catalog: Army Models PT-19, PT-19A, PT-19B, PT-23, PT-26; British Model Cornell I. 10 September 1944. (eBay listing with cover page)
  8. ^ Pilot's Flight Operating Instructions for Army Models: B-25C and D Series, Navy Models PBJ-1C and PBJ-1D, British Model Mitchell II. 15 July 1944. (sales listing with cover page)
  9. ^ Pilot's Flight Operating Instructions for Airplanes: Army Models B-25J-1, -5, -10, -15, -20, -25, -30, -35; Navy Model PBJ-1J; British Model Mitchell III. 15 July 1945. (sales listing with cover page)
  10. ^ https://sites.google.com/site/sauditribes/family-profiles/sample-profile
  11. ^ "Role of Ikhwan in Early Saudi State"
  12. ^ *De Gaury, Gerald. Review of the 'Anizah Tribe. Kutub. ISBN 9953-417-97-0.

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