User talk:Red Rose 13

Our Lady of Medjugorje

It seems to me we're gaining a common ground here. I believe we can cooperate well in the future.

The major issues you have are - reliability of Kutleša's book and my alleged misuse of the Croatian sources? Hopefully, we'll be able to check the latter in a few days. I asked help from other editors who might speak Croatian/Serbian. Regarding Kutleša, it would be good, if you like, that we discuss this in a special section at the talk page. --Governor Sheng (talk) 22:47, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

I am relieved that you see us gaining a common ground. What you listed is a good start. Other things might come up as we go along but it seems we are both willing to cooperate with each other.Red Rose 13 (talk) 01:50, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Good. Perhaps, it becomes a GA. :) --Governor Sheng (talk) 17:58, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Canvassing

User talk:Governor Sheng Your false allegation to the Administrator Notice Board accusing me of Canvasing was ignored. Red Rose 13 (talk) 14:38, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

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Thanks for letting me, it helps to understand the complexities.Red Rose 13 (talk) 13:02, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Edit war

I'll thank you not to go throwing around baseless assertions. There are three entries on Talk:Our Lady of Medjugorje to which you have as yet failed to respond. You have already conceded that the paragraph relating to the government's promotion of religious tourism only needs to be stated once. It belongs under Government reaction because that's whose response it was. Manannan67 (talk) 16:59, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Slow down what is the rush. I am responding to your comments on the talk page. I am not a full time editor and have a life.Red Rose 13 (talk) 17:22, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

I might say the same re the rush to revert any changes to the page. Manannan67 (talk) 17:39, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps you are not aware of the history of the edits for this page. We have agreed to bring all edit ideas to the talk page for discussion. I am asking you to do the same. It is a very contentious page so we need to move slowly with all the sources vetted by using the guidelines for reliable sources. Thank you for pointing out about the author Max just please provide proof. It is not for me to prove. ThanksRed Rose 13 (talk) 18:44, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

"We have agreed..." appears to refer to some agreement you seem to think you have with User:Governor Sheng, although it is not at all clear that there was some sort of consensus on that. I am not submitting every edit for your approval. That's not how it works. If you want info re Bax, See Mart Bax. I refer you to the citations listed. I am not required to prove anything. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material. WP:BURDEN. Manannan67 (talk) 19:23, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes we agree, the burden to demonstrate reliability of a source lies with editor doing it. Please take this discussion over to the page. I am finished here. Red Rose 13 (talk) 21:18, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Signatures

Your recent post to WP:BLPN is signed 'Slp1', and dated '23:33, 14 February 2021'. Why? AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:57, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

I fixed the error thanks. Red Rose 13 (talk) 02:15, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

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Modern yoga gurus

Please don't revert me again. I am simply matching all the other entries in the table, which are one word, not two. Something you should have noticed and matched when you made your addition. Skyerise (talk) 15:56, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

I would never revert you knowingly. I thought I was matching because I saw words like assault next to sexual. Thanks for the correction.Red Rose 13 (talk) 16:03, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

I've moved the nice Vivekananda quote to this article, but we need the page number ... Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:34, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

I am moving this discussion over to the page.Red Rose 13 (talk) 19:49, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Brother Chidananda

Hi Red Rose 13.... I lost the orange color and whatever phrase you had substituted for "Senior posting" in the biog box -- perhaps because I was using the Visual Editor instead of the Source Editor. Can you tell me how to get those back, and also how to add a quote to the biog box? I saw a tag (or whatever you call it) for "quote" when I edited the template on this page but when I went to the actual template page itself, the word "quote" did not seem to appear. Thanks! Azure Dave (talk) 01:08, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi there, Let's talk this discussion over to the page itself.Red Rose 13 (talk) 01:21, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Problematic edits

Red Rose 13, I am becoming more and more concerned about your contributions to Wikipedia. I am writing here because this is starting to be more about your understanding of policy and so needs to be here. I refer to this edit. [1].

• Your text: Kriyananda was considered by some to be a modern yoga guru. The references you gave are [2] and [[3]]. Neither of these sources state that he was a "modern yoga guru". Maybe I have missed it though. If so, please indicate where it is, per WP:Verifiable.
• Your text: "Swami Vivekananda gave the definition of a competent guru with these words: "in the modern era there are many incompetent gurus, and that a true guru should understand the spirit of the scriptures, have a pure character and be free from sin, and should be selfless, without desire for money and fame." This is at least verifiable, in the two references you gave [4] (a very dubious sources) [5]. What possible connection does this have with Kriyananda, who was born long after Vivekananda died? Neither of these references mention Kriyananda. It seems like you are engaging in Original Research and synthesis. I am going to remove this until you can explain how this information is both verifiable and connected to Kriyananda by the reliable secondary sources.--Slp1 (talk) 23:37, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your concern but follow this link to see who added this. [[6]] I saw no evidence that he is a modern yoga guru except the links he provided and this editor and I had a discussion about it. They created a page called Modern yoga gurus and they think he is that. All I did was move it down the page. I cannot remove his references. I will review the second issue.Red Rose 13 (talk) 00:30, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes I agree the added Vivekananda quote is SYNTH and when I got to that, I would have removed.Red Rose 13 (talk) 03:39, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Are you going to allow me time to clean up pages after our discussions? I need time to look things over. I just looked at this page which is filled with primary sources close to the apparitions. Not much I can do about it. [[7]]Red Rose 13 (talk) 00:46, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

User:Red Rose 13 has a long history of distorted, poor-quality work on Swami Kriyananda. That entry right now has such a distorted lede that I spit milk all over my laptop screen when I just read it. That kind of hack writing would never be be published in an actual, real, quality encyclopedia. However, I'm sure Red Rose 13 thinks it's great. Jack B108 (talk) 18:28, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

User:Jack B108 If the lead bothers you, please rewrite with proper reliable sources. Please take note that the sources she is referring to had nothing to do with me. Another editor posted that. Also the whole page is a mess and has been for years. I am not interested in fixing this page. Perhaps you are. Did you actually read how many citations (secondary reliable sources) are needed on this page? Clearly it was written by biased editors. What I am learning right now is SYNTH and Attributions. My mistakes are corrected.Red Rose 13 (talk) 20:31, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Jack B108 (talk · contribs) I agree with you. Swami Kriyananda is just one example of such poor editing. Red Rose distorted many other articles with the WP:SYNTH and by using dubious sources, for example certain Sister Maillard and other dubious authors. These articles include Jozo Zovko, Our Lady of Medjugorje, Pavao Žanić and many others. There's also a heavy POV-pushing. --Governor Sheng (talk) 21:59, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Slp1 (talk · contribs) Slp1 I am not sure why Governor Sheng is posting here. Governor Sheng as you can see I have corrected my errors of Synth, you are just repeating what has already been corrected and stated above. I wonder why? The sources I am using on OLM are secondary reliable sources however but there is a problem with your primary sources being used for contentious posts on Jozo Zovko, Our Lady of Medjugorje, Pavao Žanić and many others as you well know.Red Rose 13 (talk) 22:53, 23 February 2022 (UTC)