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List of films based on television programs

Pinging Geraldo Perez – this is more a reminder to myself than to you, Geraldo: but the WP:SCOPE of List of films based on television programs looks like it needs to be (massively?) narrowed. Right now it's including a bunch of what are basically TV movies in the list (including some TV movies that basically aired as episodes of these series – e.g. I just removed Shake It Up: Made In Japan which should not have been included under any circumstances!). That list should be narrowed to just theatrically-released films that are based on TV series. FWIW. (And, again, this is more a reminder to myself...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:15, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

• See also: List of television spin-offs to do the same. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:27, 18 June 2017 (UTC) ‎
• And: Lists of actors by television series is another cleanup job... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:18, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Very fast

Moved to Talk:Isabela Moner § Date of birth

My Girl (film)

I am having a problem with a series of disruptive IPs at this article. One big problem that stands out is their eliminating the middle initial in Macaulay Culkin's character of "Thomas J. Sennett" in both the plot and the cast listing. The middle initial is part of the name in the film's ending credits. I also identify "Thomas J." as the character's MOS:COMMONNAME from how he's referred to in the film. I'll let you look at these diffs I had a problem with: [1][2][3]. I would be tempted to take this to WP:RPP, but with the time spacing between these edits, I doubt semiprotection would be helpful right now. MPFitz1968 (talk) 00:31, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968: I do advise taking it to WP:RfPP then – if you think they won't go for Semi-protection, ask for (longer-term) Pending changes protection. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:33, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

I have asked for pending changes protection after this edit (Request at RPP). MPFitz1968 (talk) 00:23, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

To add to what IJBall said, whenever I've requested semi-protection, or even full protection in some cases, I always start short. Ask for a week or less and you'll usually get at least a couple days semi- or full-protection, if that's required, as long as there's at least more than a couple instances of vandalism in a short time span. Also, ask only for the protection needed. In the case of Sharyl Attkisson and Spider-Man: Far From Home, full protection was necessary because of edit warring and content disputes between extendedconfirmed users. (talk page stalker) Doug Mehus T·C 00:46, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

A Move Request from Draft:Penny Dreadful: City of Angels to Penny Dreadful: City of Angels

Hi IJBall,
Can you move Draft:Penny Dreadful: City of Angels to Penny Dreadful: City of Angels without leaving a redirect? Filming began months ago and there is a premiere date now. — YoungForever^(talk) 20:41, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

@YoungForever:  Done. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:30, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Not a page move request, but a page review/page triage request...

Hey Ian,

I'm one of your ~99 talk page stalkers, so just noticed your recent actioning of the above user's request. I see you've also got new page review privileges, so was wondering if you are able to filter for the redirect page I created and mark it as "reviewed"?

Cheers,
--Doug Mehus T·C 00:40, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@Dmehus: Which redirect? And is there any background/history that I should know about? --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:41, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

IJBall, Not really...it is Sandringham Summit. It's similar to the Sussex Royal page that Britishfinance created and the SussexRoyal.com redirect that I created (both of which redirect to Megxit). In Sandringham Summit's case, which is also a trending term, I've redirected it to an embedded anchor. Consensus is trending storngly to keep-ing Megxit as is. The other redirects were all marked as "reviewed." Doug Mehus T·C 00:44, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

IJBall, I ask you only because you're in (I think) the same time zone as me and Britishfinance is, I'm guessing, sleeping. Doug Mehus T·C 00:45, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@Dmehus:  Reviewed, as this seems non-controversial. For an unsolicited opinion – the base article shouldn't remain at "Megxit", IMO, though I have no idea what the article title should be. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:49, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

IJBall, Yeah, there's some debate about whether it should be renamed. Consensus is also trending towards keeping it as is for now, similar to Brexit and Wexit/Wexit Canada. Thanks for reviewing it! For clarity, is there two kinds of page reviews? When I refreshed the page curation log, I didn't see your name show up with the usual PageTriage tag. Doug Mehus T·C 00:51, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

IJBall, Feel free to weigh in at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Megxit, if you want. Do you participate in XfDs much? Doug Mehus T·C 00:52, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Sometimes, though I don't feel it should be deleted. I do, however, think it should be moved. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:57, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Melanie Scrofano edit of 1 child to 2 children

IJBall, I apologize for editing Melanie Scrofano’s child information, I do know for a fact that she does have 2 sons with her husband Jeff. I don’t know any other way of providing proof other then to tell you to watch her social posts, and her Twitter account. I have met Melanie Scrofano numerous times and she has spoken of her 2 children. I was under the assumption that because the edit button was in service to me and the information was incorrect that I then had permission to use it! I apologize if this is not true, I honestly would never edit anything that was not true or that I didn’t know as fact! I would ask you to be a bit kinder in asking others not to change or edit information, you come off very insolent. Also is there a reason why I have the ability to edit and when I do so I am told not too, I truly don’t understand the process, if you would be so kind to explain this for me, I would very much appreciate this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Auntcar9 (talk • contribs) 09:15, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

My response would be that you shouldn't ignore edit summaries that tell you to read the Talk page – there was a reason I told you that.

The issue here is that there has been no unambiguous source for Scrofano having two children – either in interviews or in her own social media. In the absence of that, we cannot report it on Wikipedia, as without sourcing it's a WP:BLP violation. Bottom line: This falls under WP:Verifiability, not truth – all information, esp. in WP:BLP articles, must be strictly verifiable with sourcing, and without that it must be left out. Until there is an unambiguous source for the two children thing, we cannot include it. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:03, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Thomas Doherty

I'm a tad confused by your reversion of my edit on Doherty's page – I always believed that while on the article of a British subject, British English should be used consistently, even despite an American series being described. For example, on Jaylen Barron, I'd never describe Free Rein as having three "series", I'd use "seasons", while on Céline Buckens, I'd use "series". Can you explain? – DarkGlow (talk) 18:30, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I get 'use British English', but that's primarily for, for example, things like using "colour" over "color" in the article prose. The problem with what you're wanting to do is that it's confusing – anyone who clicks on the Legacies (TV series) article won't find a "Series 2" section: they'll find a "Season 2" section. So, for things like the 'Filmography' table, we should use the same terminology as is in the TV series article.

Incidentally, I'd argue the exact same thing for an American actor who appeared on a British TV series: the 'Filmography" table should read "Recurring role (series 2)" for that (to match the TV series article terminology), rather than "Recurring role (season 2)" just because the actor is American.

So that would be an exception to something like 'use British English' – we should use terms consistent with the TV series article itself, to avoid unnecessary confusiuon. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:36, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Ultra Violet & Blue Demon

@Geraldo Perez and MPFitz1968: New Disney Channel series. Amaury • 18:46, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Previous rowspan discussion

Pinging @SNUGGUMS: as well, I saw there was a previous discuss here about the use of rowspans in filmographies and taking out the sentence "Use of rowspan formatting in "Year" columns (ex. #2) is acceptable, but rowspan formatting should not be used in other columns, per WP:ACCESS." but I didn't see any consensus and it was left alone. For years, rowspans were banned for any filmography, year column included which I was glad, I just find them ugly. I don't want to bring it up again if the issue was just discussed and didn't get any traction but I'd like to know what you both think about bringing it up again? LADY LOTUS • TALK 21:24, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

My prior opposition towards rowspans in filmography tables remains the same. Restrictions on them shouldn't have been lifted in the first place. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 22:58, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Unfortunately, I doubt there's strong enough consensus to disallow their use in 'Filmography' tables entirely (though there does seem to be consensus to disallow inappropriate/incorrect use of rowspan vis a vis MOS:ACCESS and screenreaders, as per the current wording which does have strong support...). While rowspan of 'Year' column makes sense in other contexts (e.g. in 'Awards' tables where some actors can receive 10 or 20 different awards/nominations in the same year), I definitely feel that in the overwhelming majority of 'Filmography' tables even in the 'Year' column, rowspan use is completely pointless and accomplishes nothing... But without strong consensus at the WP:FILMBIO level, it's likely to devolve to a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS question at each article. However, do be aware – there are some named account and IP vandals that will disruptively add rowspan even whether there's no consensus for it, and they should just be plainly reverted. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:02, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Stuck in the Middle

Ping Geraldo Perez as well. I'm learning toward removing the content of the latest edit, but I wanted to raise it here first before I did. It's obviously a good faith edit, but it's not correct. 1) There's no credit with "X as The Narrator" or "Narrated by" or any form of, so we have nothing saying Jenna Ortega is a narrator. 2) She is not narrating the story. She is simply breaking the fourth wall. Stuck in the Middle is akin to Malcolm in the Middle, where Malcolm (Frankie Muniz) does the same thing. Actual narrating is what Young Sheldon and The Kids Are Alright do, with Jim Parsons and Tim Doyle, respectively. The actors don't physically appear in the series and are simply narrating with their voices. Additionally, they both do have narration credits, so using the narrated_by parameter is appropriate there, but not for Stuck in the Middle. So I'm pretty sure I will be reverting as good faith, unless one of you wants to do it, but I wanted to raise it here first. Amaury • 06:55, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Definitely in agreement that without any "narrated by" credit in the individual episodes, it doesn't belong in the infobox. There appear to be points in each episode where Jenna Ortega (Harley) is saying what she's thinking, aside from when we actually see her talking thru her character (including the breaking of the fourth wall), and that's what Starforce13 may be going by. While that may be true, without an official credit of narration, it just simply shouldn't be mentioned in the article. MPFitz1968 (talk) 07:36, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

For the record, I decided to revert the edit. MPFitz1968 (talk) 07:51, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm convinced - mostly by Amaury - that we shouldn't treat fourth wall breaking as narration. In that case, I'm guessing the same should be done for grown-ish since it's the exact same structure where Zoey is simply breaking the fourth wall and there's no separate credit for "narrated by." Starforce¹³ 14:06, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

@Starforce13: Yeah, if there are no narration credits of any kind, then whoever wouldn't be a narrator, unless you had a secondary source claiming so, but even then, primary sources supersede secondary sources when it comes to names and credits, especially if the secondary source was from before the series premiered as things could have changed. It can be mentioned in prose that so and so was planned to be narrator, but it could have been that it was later changed to have no narrator and there would be fourth wall breaking instead or there would no narrator and that's it, in which case, the narrated_by parameter wouldn't be added. Why it's like that for Grown-ish I have no idea, but it should be fixed. Amaury • 15:11, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

There should be an explicit narrated by credit before listing it in the infobox. Generally if an actor has a character credit, they don't get a narrator credit. Narrator is normally credited in documentaries for people like David Attenborough, rare for fiction. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:59, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. Thanks! Starforce¹³ 17:09, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

South End (disambiguation) --> South End

@IJBall:

As a non-involved page moving editor, I was wondering if you would be able to move South End (disambiguation) --> South End over the redirect, following my determination of consensus and closing the discussion?

Thanks,
--Doug Mehus T·C 12:31, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Henry Danger

Something interesting. The generic credits Nickelodeon uses had this before the rest of the credits rolled for "Theranos Boot." I don't know if it's like this in the true end credits, but...

Season 5
Episode #532
"Theranos Boot"
Final on-air credits A/O 12/09/19 Amaury • 05:03, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Are you able to confirm this? I already deleted the episode after watching it. If it's just co-producer, he doesn't get listed. Amaury • 00:03, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

I can't, as I already watched both of those episodes, and don't have either on my DVR. However, that should be easy to check, with reruns and the Nick app... However, I am also skeptical, so it needs to be checked. (On my end, I'm not getting to that this week!!...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:24, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

"A Line (Blue) (Los Angeles Metro)" listed at Requested moves

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the requested move of A Line (Blue) (Los Angeles Metro) and other Metro pages. Since you had some involvement with pages related to A Line (Blue) (Los Angeles Metro) and others, you might want to participate in the discussion if you wish to do so. Lexlex (talk) 11:40, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Chelsea T. Zhang and Garren Stitt

Starklinson's at it again. Amaury • 18:38, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Ping Geraldo Perez and MPFitz1968 as well. Amaury • 18:40, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

The latter has already gotten through New Page Patrol. I'm inclined to leave the former to NPP as well. Both would likely need to go to WP:AfD, and both would be borderline cases. Once again, while I wouldn't have created either, they are borderline enough that they're not certain "deletes" at AfD... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:44, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

We really need to tighten down on BLPs, in my opinion. Amaury • 18:52, 1 February 2020 (UTC)