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Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.
- Determine which speedy criterion applies
- Tag category with
{{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
- List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page
Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.
Request may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.
Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g. "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}}
with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E can also be processed instantly as it is a variation on G7.
Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be un-tagged and de-listed after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}
. If the nominator wants to continue the process, it may be requested regularly at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.
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Speedy criteria[edit]
The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:
C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes[edit]
- Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
- Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices[edit]
- Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
- Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).
C2C: Consistency with established category tree names[edit]
Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names
- This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
- This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
- This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).
C2D: Consistency with main article's name[edit]
- Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
- This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
- unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
- uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
- This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
C2E: Author request[edit]
- This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
- The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.
C2F: One eponymous article[edit]
- This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use {{cfm-speedy}} (speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article).
Admin instructions[edit]
When handling the listings:
- Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
- With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
- Make sure that there are no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.
If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.
Applying speedy criteria in full discussions[edit]
- A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
- The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
- No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
- If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been as a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.
Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here[edit]
If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.
If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.
Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:
* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
(The four ~ will sign and datestamp the entry automatically.) If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:
*REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
Remember to tag the category with: {{subst:Cfr-speedy|New name}}
A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 20:53, 15 February 2020 (UTC). Currently, there are 160 open requests (. )
Do not use the "Move" tab to move categories listed here! Categories are processed following the 48-hour discussion period and are moved by a bot. |
Current requests[edit]
- Category:Clothes free organizations to Category:Clothing free organizations – These attached categories seem to remain after previous recent accomplished speedy rename per C2C. PPEMES (talk) 14:58, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Spider solitaire card games to Category:Spider patience card games
- Category:Double-deck solitaire card games to Category:Double-deck patience card games
- Category:Single-deck solitaire card games to Category:Single-deck patience card games
- Category:Pocket solitaire card games to Category:Pocket patience card games
- all under C2C (parent category is Category:Patience card games) and C2D (main article is Patience (card game)) Bermicourt (talk) 07:49, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Bermicourt: C2C would actually favour "solitaire" as that is currently used in 14 out of 16 sub-cats of Category:Patience card games. Will you be nominating them all? – Fayenatic London 12:54, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: The name of the primary article has twice been debated in the last two years, including very recently, and there is no consensus to change it to Solitaire. So we need to bring consistency to the relevant categories which have always been a confusing mish-mash (there's at least one other category Category:Patience games that is elsewhere in the category tree). Most of the rest are based on an out-of-date template that has been superseded, so most of the other categories will be put up for deletion once the new ones are in place.Bermicourt (talk) 13:29, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Single-sex worlds to Category:Single-gender worlds, C2D per Single-gender world. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:06, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Caisse de dépôt et placement du Québec portfolio companies to Category:Caisse de dépôt et placement du Québec companies – C2E: Consistency with other categories (i.e. omit the word "portfolio"). RA0808 talkcontribs 19:05, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Gordon College (Pakistan) to Category:Government Gordon College – C2D per Government Gordon College. Article was moved following this RM. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:33, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Batteries to Category:Artillery batteries - C2D per the main article, Artillery battery, and to distinguish from Category:Battery (electricity). - RevelationDirect (talk) 13:30, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:LGBT art to Category:LGBT visual arts, C2C per Category:Visual arts, note that Category:Art redirects to Category:Visual arts. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:02, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:LGBT art in Canada to Category:LGBT visual arts in Canada
- Category:Gay art to Category:Gay visual arts
- Category:LGBT art in the United States to Category:LGBT visual arts in the United States
- Oppose speedy Category:LGBT art is a subcategory of Category:LGBT arts, which is in Category:Arts. Armbrust The Homunculus 18:06, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Armbrust: not sure I understand the reason for opposing. The intention to have Category:LGBT visual arts as a subcategory of Category:LGBT arts, just like Category:Visual arts is a subcategory of Category:Arts by type. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:07, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:LGBT-related media to Category:LGBT-related mass media, C2C per Category:Mass media by interest and Category:Mass media. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:11, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:LGBT-related media by decade to Category:LGBT-related mass media by decade
- Category:LGBT-related media by genre to Category:LGBT-related mass media by genre
- Category:LGBT-related media by medium to Category:LGBT-related mass media by medium
- Category:LGBT-related media by region to Category:LGBT-related mass media by region
- Category:LGBT-related media by country to Category:LGBT-related mass media by country
- Category:LGBT-related media by continent to Category:LGBT-related mass media by continent
- Category:Bisexuality-related media to Category:Bisexuality-related mass media
- Category:Cross-dressing-related media to Category:Cross-dressing-related mass media
- Category:Homosexuality-related media to Category:Homosexuality-related mass media
- Category:Intersex-related media to Category:Intersex-related mass media
- Category:Queer-related media to Category:Queer-related mass media
- Category:Transgender-related media to Category:Transgender-related mass media
- Category:Lists of LGBT-related media to Category:Lists of LGBT-related mass media
- Category:LGBT and military-related media to Category:LGBT and military-related mass media
- Category:LGBT portrayals in media to Category:LGBT portrayals in mass media
- Oppose speedy None of the subcategories in Category:Mass media by interest use "mass" in their title. Armbrust The Homunculus 18:00, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Arts organisations based in Indonesia to Category:Arts organizations based in Indonesia – C2C: per Category:Organizations based in Indonesia, Category:Organizations based in Indonesia by subject, Category:Cultural organizations based in Indonesia. Oculi (talk) 12:02, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- Merge Category:Cocktails with campari to Category:Cocktails with Campari - C2A per Campari being a brand of Campari Group, not a generic term. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:44, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Oranges to Category:Oranges (fruit) - C2D per the main article, Orange (fruit), and to distinguish from Orange (colour). - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:44, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Himachal Pradesh MLAs 2002–2007 to Category:Himachal Pradesh MLAs 2003–2007 – C2A: There was a 2003 Himachal Pradesh Legislative Assembly election, but not one in 2002. ミラP 23:57, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Non-standard analysis to Category:Nonstandard analysis – C2D per Talk page: The main article for the category was moved by community consensus. XOR'easter (talk) 23:27, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Michael McDonald (singer) songs to Category:Michael McDonald (musician) songs – C2D per Michael McDonald (musician) – Fayenatic London 23:09, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:20th Century Fox films to
Category:20th Century StudiosCategory:20th Century Studios films – C2D: company was renamed Starzoner (talk) 18:36, 21 January 2020 (UTC)- While there have been news reports that a name changes was coming, Disney and Fox have not made any announcements or updated their websites with the new name. (See foxmovies.com for an example. Trivialist (talk) 23:34, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- what about Category:20th Century Fox? Starzoner (talk) 23:40, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose pending discussions on the article name. Oculi (talk) 10:59, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Even if the move isn't revert, I still oppose removing the word "films" from the category's title, as that would go against the convention in Category:American films by studio. Armbrust The Homunculus 11:44, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Relisting earlier opposed request, meanwhile the RM has been closed as move, and I have added "films" in the proposed title. @Trivialist, Oculi, and Armbrust: agree? Marcocapelle (talk) 12:44, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Fine by me. Oculi (talk) 21:41, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- That's fine by me too. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:11, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Game show articles by quality to Category:Television game shows articles by quality – C2D: Pages belonging to Television game shows task force and sub-category of Category:Television game shows task force articles. Naming should be similar to how all other task force's have their categories named. Gonnym (talk) 09:33, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:NA-importance game show articles to Category:NA-importance Television game shows articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:42, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Unknown-importance game show articles to Category:Unknown-importance Television game shows articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:42, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Top-importance game show articles to Category:Top-importance Television game shows articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:42, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Mid-importance game show articles to Category:Mid-importance Television game shows articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:42, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Low-importance game show articles to Category:Low-importance Television game shows articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:41, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:High-importance game show articles to Category:High-importance Television game shows articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:41, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Game show articles by importance to Category:Television game shows articles by importance – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:41, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Unassessed game show articles to Category:Unassessed Television game shows articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:40, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Template-Class game show articles to Category:Template-Class Television game shows articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:39, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Project-Class game show articles to Category:Project-Class Television game shows articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:39, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Redirect-Class game show articles to Category:Redirect-Class Television game shows articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:39, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Stub-Class game show articles to Category:Stub-Class Television game shows articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:39, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Start-Class game show articles to Category:Start-Class Television game shows articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:39, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:NA-Class game show articles to Category:NA-Class Television game shows articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:38, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:List-Class game show articles to Category:List-Class Television game shows articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:38, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Portal-Class game show articles to Category:Portal-Class Television game shows articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:38, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:GA-Class game show articles to Category:GA-Class Television game shows articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:38, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:FL-Class game show articles to Category:FL-Class Television game shows articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:38, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:File-Class game show articles to Category:File-Class Television game shows articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:38, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:FA-Class game show articles to Category:FA-Class Television game shows articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:37, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Draft-Class game show articles to Category:Draft-Class Television game shows articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:37, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Disambig-Class game show articles to Category:Disambig-Class Television game shows articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:37, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Category-Class game show articles to Category:Category-Class Television game shows articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:37, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:C-Class game show articles to Category:C-Class Television game shows articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:37, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Book-Class game show articles to Category:Book-Class Television game shows articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:37, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:B-Class game show articles to Category:B-Class Television game shows articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:36, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:A-Class game show articles to Category:A-Class Television game shows articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:36, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:FA-Class Television episode articles to Category:FA-Class Episode coverage articles – C2D: Pages belonging to Episode coverage task force. Naming should be similar to how all other task force's have their categories named. Gonnym (talk) 09:05, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Television episode articles by importance to Category:Episode coverage articles by importance – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:12, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:High-importance Television episode articles to Category:High-importance Episode coverage articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:12, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Low-importance Television episode articles to Category:Low-importance Episode coverage articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:12, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Mid-importance Television episode articles to Category:Mid-importance Episode coverage articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:12, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:NA-importance Television episode articles to Category:NA-importance Episode coverage articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:12, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Top-importance Television episode articles to Category:Top-importance Episode coverage articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:11, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Unknown-importance Television episode articles to Category:Unknown-importance Episode coverage articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:11, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Television episode articles by quality to Category:Episode coverage articles by quality – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:09, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Draft-Class Television episode articles to Category:Draft-Class Episode coverage articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:08, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Disambig-Class Television episode articles to Category:Disambig-Class Episode coverage articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:08, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Category-Class Television episode articles to Category:Category-Class Episode coverage articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:08, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:C-Class Television episode articles to Category:C-Class Episode coverage articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:08, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Book-Class Television episode articles to Category:Book-Class Episode coverage articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:08, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:B-Class Television episode articles to Category:B-Class Episode coverage articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:08, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:A-Class Television episode articles to Category:A-Class Episode coverage articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:07, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Unassessed Television episode articles to Category:Unassessed Episode coverage articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:07, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Template-Class Television episode articles to Category:Template-Class Episode coverage articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:07, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Stub-Class Television episode articles to Category:Stub-Class Episode coverage articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:07, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Start-Class Television episode articles to Category:Start-Class Episode coverage articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:07, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Redirect-Class Television episode articles to Category:Redirect-Class Episode coverage articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:07, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Project-Class Television episode articles to Category:Project-Class Episode coverage articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:06, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Portal-Class Television episode articles to Category:Portal-Class Episode coverage articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:06, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:NA-Class Television episode articles to Category:NA-Class Episode coverage articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:06, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:List-Class Television episode articles to Category:List-Class Episode coverage articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:06, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:GA-Class Television episode articles to Category:GA-Class Episode coverage articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:06, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:FM-Class Television episode articles to Category:FM-Class Episode coverage articles – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 09:06, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:FL-Class Television episode articles to Category:FL-Class Episode coverage articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:05, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:File-Class Television episode articles to Category:File-Class Episode coverage articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:05, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: "episode coverage" is not a proper name and should not be capitalised in the middle of a category name; this is an opportunity to correct the present wrong capitalisation, cf. the (lowercase) sub-cats of Category:Television articles by quality. If you were proposing "Episode coverage task force articles", like the sub-cats of Category:Ant task force articles by quality, that would be a proper name, but when "task force" is omitted from the name, I believe lowercase is the more frequent and better standard. – Fayenatic London 12:14, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Television task forces: Category:FL-Class Television episode articles, Category:A-Class Reality TV articles, Category:Start-Class Test cards articles and Category:B-Class Broadcast engineering and technology articles capitalize; Other WPs do as well: Category:B-Class Aesthetics articles, Category:B-Class Adoption, fostering, orphan care and displacement articles, Category:B-Class Air sports articles. This style isn't at all more frequent with TV task forces, with game show being the only one out of 5 task forces using it, and other WP use this style as well (as well as the one you propose). I do not have any issue with converting all task forces to use the same style such as what you proposed with "Episode coverage task force articles", however, I do have a huge problem with making some use style A and some style B. If you feel one should be used over the other, then please nominate it, as I'm sure not going to do ~30 tagging for each task force again (x ~60 task forces). --Gonnym (talk) 12:50, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Well, the subcats of Category:Television stations task force articles are the worst, with "Television Stations" capitalised. I won't lay down in front of bulldozers over any of this, especially as I had to concede a few months ago that the word "-Class" is wrongly capitalised but there is no way that we are going to change all the assessment categories just to put that right. Still, I would prefer to put right the sets that do get tagged for CFD, as much as can be put right. The capitalisation was done in the 2000s, and I believe that in the later 2010s we were generally switching to lowercase where the opportunity arose as part of a word-change renaming. – Fayenatic London 23:29, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- I completely understand the point of fixing things while actually fixing things, but as I said above, just doing these 2 (and 2 more I think that I'll do if this passes) will just create an inconsistency with the other 60 categories. I think your idea of "n-Class x task force articles" is probably the best option as it keeps the actual complete name in all categories and makes it clear what the chain is. If you are willing to do the heavy lifting of nominating them, I'll support that :) --Gonnym (talk) 07:23, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- Hang on, what 60? inconsistency within what parent? Most of the TV task forces are OK to be capitalised because the name is the (proper) name of a TV series. Only a few aspect-related task forces should be lowercase. – Fayenatic London 20:56, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- If you had the words "task force" to some of the categories, but not to the others, that is just inconsistent. --Gonnym (talk) 08:18, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
- No, I'm not proposing that, but just to use lowercase where possible, and no plural on "game show". There is no need to re-tag the category pages; if we agree a revised format here, I'll just process the rename to that format. – Fayenatic London 08:50, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
- No, I don't support that, as I said, it makes it inconsistent with the other categories and there are other WP that use it. Also, it's more of a proper name than not one as it isn't "episode coverage" articles, but articles belonging to the "Episode coverage task force". So just leave as is. No point in me wasting my time and nominating the others. --Gonnym (talk) 11:39, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
- No, I'm not proposing that, but just to use lowercase where possible, and no plural on "game show". There is no need to re-tag the category pages; if we agree a revised format here, I'll just process the rename to that format. – Fayenatic London 08:50, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
- If you had the words "task force" to some of the categories, but not to the others, that is just inconsistent. --Gonnym (talk) 08:18, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
- Hang on, what 60? inconsistency within what parent? Most of the TV task forces are OK to be capitalised because the name is the (proper) name of a TV series. Only a few aspect-related task forces should be lowercase. – Fayenatic London 20:56, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- I completely understand the point of fixing things while actually fixing things, but as I said above, just doing these 2 (and 2 more I think that I'll do if this passes) will just create an inconsistency with the other 60 categories. I think your idea of "n-Class x task force articles" is probably the best option as it keeps the actual complete name in all categories and makes it clear what the chain is. If you are willing to do the heavy lifting of nominating them, I'll support that :) --Gonnym (talk) 07:23, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- Well, the subcats of Category:Television stations task force articles are the worst, with "Television Stations" capitalised. I won't lay down in front of bulldozers over any of this, especially as I had to concede a few months ago that the word "-Class" is wrongly capitalised but there is no way that we are going to change all the assessment categories just to put that right. Still, I would prefer to put right the sets that do get tagged for CFD, as much as can be put right. The capitalisation was done in the 2000s, and I believe that in the later 2010s we were generally switching to lowercase where the opportunity arose as part of a word-change renaming. – Fayenatic London 23:29, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Television task forces: Category:FL-Class Television episode articles, Category:A-Class Reality TV articles, Category:Start-Class Test cards articles and Category:B-Class Broadcast engineering and technology articles capitalize; Other WPs do as well: Category:B-Class Aesthetics articles, Category:B-Class Adoption, fostering, orphan care and displacement articles, Category:B-Class Air sports articles. This style isn't at all more frequent with TV task forces, with game show being the only one out of 5 task forces using it, and other WP use this style as well (as well as the one you propose). I do not have any issue with converting all task forces to use the same style such as what you proposed with "Episode coverage task force articles", however, I do have a huge problem with making some use style A and some style B. If you feel one should be used over the other, then please nominate it, as I'm sure not going to do ~30 tagging for each task force again (x ~60 task forces). --Gonnym (talk) 12:50, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: "episode coverage" is not a proper name and should not be capitalised in the middle of a category name; this is an opportunity to correct the present wrong capitalisation, cf. the (lowercase) sub-cats of Category:Television articles by quality. If you were proposing "Episode coverage task force articles", like the sub-cats of Category:Ant task force articles by quality, that would be a proper name, but when "task force" is omitted from the name, I believe lowercase is the more frequent and better standard. – Fayenatic London 12:14, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- What do other editors think? I don't want to be a nuisance if there is a general willingness to use names that are not great when considered on their own, but do correspond to task force names. – Fayenatic London 15:49, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
- I think all of them should be de-capitalised. The words "episode" and "television" are not proper names. Armbrust The Homunculus 18:02, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
Opposed requests[edit]
- Category:New Musical Express to Category:NME – C2D. feminist (talk) 08:47, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:NCAA Division I Softball Tournament seasons to Category:NCAA Division I Softball Championship seasons - C2C. Category covers championship seasons, and was mistakenly renamed when categories related to the Tournament writ large were renamed. Consistent with Category:NCAA Division I Baseball Championship seasons. Billcasey905 (talk) 20:47, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose The main article of the category is NCAA Division I Softball Tournament. This should be probably be renamed to Category:NCAA Division I Softball Tournament champion seasons, but I don't think that be speedied. Armbrust The Homunculus 12:00, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:CBS Television Network to Category:CBS – C2D: Article is at CBS and all 7 sub-categories use only "CBS". Gonnym (talk) 05:47, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy CBS is ambiguous, so C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 11:04, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:National Broadcasting Company to Category:NBC – C2D: Article is at NBC and all 10 sub-categories use "NBC". Gonnym (talk) 20:03, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy Current name was chosen in this full discussion, where the proposed name was opposed. NBC is also ambiguous, so C2D doesn't apply anyway. Armbrust The Homunculus 11:04, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Public Broadcasting Service to Category:PBS – C2D: Article is at PBS and all 8 sub-categories use "PBS". Gonnym (talk) 19:59, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy PBS is ambiguous, so C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 11:04, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:People from Meppen, Germany to Category:People from Meppen – C2D. Darwinek (talk) 17:17, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy Meppen (disambiguation) is ambiguous so C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 21:05, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Loona (group) to Category:Loona – WP:C2D Sawol (talk) 05:44, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Loona (group) albums to Category:Loona albums
- Category:Loona (group) EPs to Category:Loona EPs
- Category:Loona (group) songs to Category:Loona songs
- Oppose this set because of ambiguity with Loona (singer). – Fayenatic London 22:56, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: South Korean girl group Loona is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC per current consensus Talk:Loona#Requested move 19 January 2020. Do you want to move Loona to Loona (group) per WP:C2D? Sawol (talk) 00:24, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
- C2D clearly says "This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is unambiguous", so it clearly doesn't apply in this case. Armbrust The Homunculus 03:47, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: South Korean girl group Loona is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC per current consensus Talk:Loona#Requested move 19 January 2020. Do you want to move Loona to Loona (group) per WP:C2D? Sawol (talk) 00:24, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose this set because of ambiguity with Loona (singer). – Fayenatic London 22:56, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- Category:DJI (company) to Category:DJI – C2D. Störm (talk) 10:03, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy Only recently renamed and without discussion, so C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 11:46, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Veritas (political party) MEPs to Category:Veritas MEPs – C2C: consistent with parent Category:Veritas politicians. Opera hat (talk) 23:58, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
- I only tagged the category now--Ymblanter (talk) 06:46, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose The main article of the category is Veritas (political party). Armbrust The Homunculus 09:09, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
- Not to mention Category:Veritas (political party). Oculi (talk) 11:02, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
- That didn't stop the parent category from being moved. What happens now? Do I have to open another move request? Opera hat (talk) 19:32, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
- It should have stopped the parent being renamed, but sadly knowledgeable editors did not contribute, and the closer merely counted votes. You need a full cfd rather than speedy. Oculi (talk) 10:53, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
- Right, a full CFD discussion is always required in cases of potential ambiguity. It would have helped to nominate multiple categories in the previous discussion. I suggest now that an "option A or option B" nomination be made (A = revert parent, B = rename subcats) so that the outcome will achieve consistency one way or the other. – Fayenatic London 10:59, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
- It should have stopped the parent being renamed, but sadly knowledgeable editors did not contribute, and the closer merely counted votes. You need a full cfd rather than speedy. Oculi (talk) 10:53, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
- That didn't stop the parent category from being moved. What happens now? Do I have to open another move request? Opera hat (talk) 19:32, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Philadelphia Rams to Category:Jefferson Rams – Philadelphia University merged with Thomas Jefferson University in 2017. The university uses "Jefferson" as its brand name for the institution as a whole, and its athletics website consistently uses that branding. See, for example, displays of scheduled games on the athletics homepage, uniforms, and record books (such as men's basketball), all of which use "Jefferson". — Dale Arnett (talk) 09:14, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
- Added comment by nominator: The linked men's basketball record book explicitly treats Jefferson as the athletic successor to Philadelphia University and Philadelphia Textile (short form of three prior institutional names).
- Category:Philadelphia Rams baseball to Category:Jefferson Rams baseball
- Category:Philadelphia Rams baseball players to Category:Jefferson Rams baseball players
- Category:Philadelphia Rams basketball to Category:Jefferson Rams basketball
- Category:Philadelphia Rams men's basketball to Category:Jefferson Rams men's basketball
- Category:Philadelphia Rams men's basketball coaches to Category:Jefferson Rams men's basketball coaches
- Category:Philadelphia Rams men's basketball players to Category:Jefferson Rams men's basketball players
- While that would be a really sound reason at a full discussion, I don't see which speedy criterion should apply. Oppose speedy until clarified. Armbrust The Homunculus 18:44, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
- Had a brain fart and forgot to list the criterion. It's C2D per the official university name change. — Dale Arnett (talk) 06:13, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
- Well that doesn’t really work here, because there is no main article for the sports team. Both the current and former name are redirects. Armbrust The Homunculus 07:03, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Dale Arnett: are you planning to start a full discussion? Marcocapelle (talk) 10:09, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion[edit]
- None currently
Moved to full discussion[edit]
- Category:Noggin (brand) original programming to Category:Noggin original programming – C2B, disambiguation fix. This category refers to the TV channel Noggin, not the entire brand article as a whole (which includes non-TV services like a website, mobile app, etc.) Squittens (talk) 16:11, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Can you link to the article you are referring to? --Gonnym (talk) 16:14, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Noggin (brand)#TV channel is the subject of the category, Noggin (brand) is the wider subject that the category doesn't totally cover. Squittens (talk) 16:36, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- So the link would be Noggin (TV network) then (as the article identifies it as a network as is customary in the US). Meaning Category:Noggin (TV network) original programming. I'm fine with that. --Gonnym (talk) 16:47, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Noggin (brand)#TV channel is the subject of the category, Noggin (brand) is the wider subject that the category doesn't totally cover. Squittens (talk) 16:36, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy Noggin (TV network) is a redirect. Armbrust The Homunculus 16:34, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
- This was moved to full discussion by nominator. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:37, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- Can you link to the article you are referring to? --Gonnym (talk) 16:14, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Everly (group) albums to Category:Everly (band) albums – C2D: Per Everly (band) (recently renamed).-- Mike Selinker (talk) 06:05, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy Recently renamed = C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:19, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_February_14#Category:Everly_(group)_albums. – Fayenatic London 10:35, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy Recently renamed = C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:19, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Identity to Category:Identity (philosophy), C2D per Identity (philosophy). Marcocapelle (talk) 14:33, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
- Marcocapelle Comment I'm not sure that's the category's main article. For example Deidentification (psychology), Identity control theory and Online identity are related to Identity (social science). Armbrust The Homunculus 16:42, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
- Ok will move this one to full CfD one of these days. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:51, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
- Now at full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:11, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Fox Family original programming to Category:Fox Family Channel original programming – C2D: The article doesn't exist, but the redirect Fox Family Channel to the section History of Freeform (TV channel)#Fox Family does. The article says
The Family Channel was renamed Fox Family Channel – though on-air promotions typically referred to the network as just "Fox Family"
. Seeing how Fox Family is a redirect to Fox family, the official name is a natural disambiguation here. Gonnym (talk) 05:18, 2 February 2020 (UTC)- Oppose speedy If there is no article on the channel, then C2D can't possible apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 11:36, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- This was moved to full discussion. Armbrust The Homunculus 01:12, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
- This was relisted at CFD 2020 Feb 11. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:24, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Members of the Hokkaido Legislative Assembly to Category:Members of the Hokkaido Prefectural Assembly – C2D. ミラP 18:04, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy Only recently renamed and without discussion, so C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 11:42, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:55, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Mistresses of schools to Category:British headmistresses – C2C: Like the other categories in Category:Women school principals and headteachers. All the biographies are British Rathfelder (talk) 10:20, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy No clear convention in Category:Women school principals and headteachers. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:27, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
- It should be renamed to something since Category:Mistresses serves a quite different purpose. Oculi (talk) 17:39, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Armbrust: the proposed name is consistent with the other subcategories of "Women school principals and headteachers", which are American headmistresses, Australian headmistresses and Austrian headmistresses. TSventon (talk) 12:16, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- The convention in Category:School principals and headteachers is completely different. Oculi (talk) 22:10, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Armbrust: the proposed name is consistent with the other subcategories of "Women school principals and headteachers", which are American headmistresses, Australian headmistresses and Austrian headmistresses. TSventon (talk) 12:16, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:44, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Dynasty (TV series) to Category:Dynasty (franchise) – C2C: There currently is no Dynasty (franchise) article, but this category is a container for 3 related TV series, Dynasty (1981 TV series), The Colbys and Dynasty (2017 TV series). Dynasty (TV series) redirects to a dab page as there are other unrelated series with this name. Gonnym (talk) 11:00, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy There is no category that has "Dynasty (franchise)" in its title, so C2C clearly doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:29, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
- np, this can be moved to regular discussion. Thought this might be uncontroversial with "(franchise)" being a standard in these situations, but have no problem with moving it to a normal discussion. --Gonnym (talk) 09:44, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- This has been moved to full discussion. – Fayenatic London 23:11, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
- np, this can be moved to regular discussion. Thought this might be uncontroversial with "(franchise)" being a standard in these situations, but have no problem with moving it to a normal discussion. --Gonnym (talk) 09:44, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy There is no category that has "Dynasty (franchise)" in its title, so C2C clearly doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:29, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
- Category:ITV to Category:ITV (TV network) – C2D: Article is at ITV (TV network). Gonnym (talk) 10:59, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose I think Category:ITV plc would be a better target, given the article ITV plc. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:01, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- Given your name, might you perhaps be based outside the UK, and less than fully informed on this one? Check the articles; ITV plc only has 13 of the 15 regional ITV licences, even after the merger of Granada & Carlton and subsequent takeovers. History of ITV is about the network, not just what is now the main company. – Fayenatic London 21:32, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- I know the company very well. There are subcats in the category that are not limited to the networks, such as Category:ITV people; given an admittedly close call such as this one, I think the preference is for the top-level category to match the ultimate corporate parent. UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:22, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
- Given your name, might you perhaps be based outside the UK, and less than fully informed on this one? Check the articles; ITV plc only has 13 of the 15 regional ITV licences, even after the merger of Granada & Carlton and subsequent takeovers. History of ITV is about the network, not just what is now the main company. – Fayenatic London 21:32, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose I think Category:ITV plc would be a better target, given the article ITV plc. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:01, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- It has meanwhile been moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:24, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:New Democratic Party of Canada to Category:New Democratic Party (target currently empty, tagged for C1 deletion) – C2D, main article is at New Democratic Party UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:20, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose at least speedy. New Democratic Party (disambiguation) is ambiguous, so C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 23:28, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:57, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:United States Executive Cabinet members by presidential administration to Category:United States cabinet members by presidential administration – C2C - Anomalous+0 (talk) 13:00, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
- Category:United States Executive Cabinet members by presidential administration navigational boxes to Category:United States cabinet members by presidential administration navigational boxes
- Oppose There is just one other category to used the proposed format (Category:United States cabinet members from Nebraska), so C2C doesn't apply. (The second is also a subcategory of Category:United States Executive Cabinet navigational boxes). Armbrust The Homunculus 19:27, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
- Category:United States Executive Cabinet members by presidential administration navigational boxes to Category:United States cabinet members by presidential administration navigational boxes
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:31, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- This was relisted at CFD 2020 Feb 9. Armbrust The Homunculus 20:40, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Depression (psychology) to Category:Depression (mood) – C2D per Depression (mood). Brandmeistertalk 15:43, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy, alternatives are renaming to Category:Major depressive disorder – C2D per Major depressive disorder, or splitting. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:33, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:11, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Fishing manufacturers and suppliers to Category:Fishing equipment manufacturers, requires "equipment", C2C per parent categories Category:Fishing equipment and Category:Water sports equipment manufacturers. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:06, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedily removing "suppliers" from the title, as that would change the scope of the category. For example Bass Pro Shops is a retailer and not a manufacturer. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:46, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Fishing manufacturers and suppliers to Category:Fishing equipment manufacturers and suppliers – C2C per parent Category:Fishing equipment. – Fayenatic London 09:31, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:03, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Jewish television series to Category:Television series about Jews and Judaism – per C2C NeoBatfreak (talk) 20:42, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Comment This probably shouldn't go ahead speedily as long as 2 similar categories are in the opposed section. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:57, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose. As before C2C applies to Category:Religious television series as well. --Gonnym (talk) 23:54, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Jewish-related television programs to Category:Television programs about Jews and Judaism – C2C within parent Category:Works about Jews and Judaism. See also Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2019_December_30#Category:Buddhism-related_television_episodes. – Fayenatic London 14:26, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
- Leaning oppose as proposed: Seems Category:Works about Jews and Judaism is the odd one in Category:Works about religion and it should probably be the one changed and this be Category:Television programs about Judaism. --Gonnym (talk) 11:08, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Television episodes about Judaism to Category:Television episodes about Jews and Judaism – C2C within grandparent Category:Works about Jews and Judaism. – Fayenatic London 10:38, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
- Leaning oppose: One of the parents is Category:Television episodes about religion and this category uses that same style such as Category:Television episodes about Christianity and Category:Television episodes about Islam. Also, looking at Category:Works about religion, seems "Works about Jews and Judaism" is the odd one here and should be the one renamed. --Gonnym (talk) 11:08, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
- Until the CFD last month, the category was "Category:Jewish-related television episodes", so it may include content about Jewish ethnic identity that is not exclusively about Judaism as a religion. Nevertheless such content should not be removed, because this is part of a well-established hierarchy Category:Jews and Judaism. – Fayenatic London 11:54, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- Wouldn't it be better then to split the pages that deal with the Jewish ethnic identity such as The Entity (South Park) from those that deal with the religion such as A Rugrats Passover? I was trying to find other ethnic groups that have a similar TV categories but couldn't find one, but Category:Works about race and ethnicity would be a logical parent to categories such as Category:Television episodes about Native Americans (similar to Category:Films about Native Americans) or Category:Television episodes about Romani people (similar to Category:Films about Romani people). In this case it would be Category:Television episodes about Judaism and Category:Television episodes about Jews. --Gonnym (talk) 12:13, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- That split sounds as if it might be feasible in this case, but could be much harder to work through the rest of the hierarchy, and we might as well treat TV categories consistently with the rest. I'd want to hear from WP:WikiProject Judaism first, so I have posted a notice there. – Fayenatic London 21:39, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- I support the rename, and would leave a split between Jews and Judaism for the future. Same for the other category above. Debresser (talk) 01:42, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
- Concurring with Debresser. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:56, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: would you be prepared to withdraw your opposition to these two? – Fayenatic London 15:43, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- I'd like to understand what the argument "and would leave a split between Jews and Judaism for the future" means. If they both support a split, then why don't we do it now? It's not like the category has hundreds of entries. We're talking about 16 pages. --Gonnym (talk) 16:17, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- I didn't read it as support for the split, just openness to a further discussion which could cover the relevant hierarchy in one go. That would clearly be beyond the scope of this Speedy page. – Fayenatic London 08:19, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Then I'm sorry, I don't see how changing this category to be consistent with one parent, but inconsistent with another, makes it any better than the current style. Lumping two similar but different topics (religion and ethnicity) in the same category makes less sense than fixing the categories. --Gonnym (talk) 08:24, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london That is indeed what I had in mind, but since Gonnym opposes this speedy proposal and the discussion is going to have to take place sooner or later, I propose to make this a full Cfd discussion at this stage. Debresser (talk) 11:41, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- I didn't read it as support for the split, just openness to a further discussion which could cover the relevant hierarchy in one go. That would clearly be beyond the scope of this Speedy page. – Fayenatic London 08:19, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- I'd like to understand what the argument "and would leave a split between Jews and Judaism for the future" means. If they both support a split, then why don't we do it now? It's not like the category has hundreds of entries. We're talking about 16 pages. --Gonnym (talk) 16:17, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: would you be prepared to withdraw your opposition to these two? – Fayenatic London 15:43, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- Concurring with Debresser. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:56, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- I support the rename, and would leave a split between Jews and Judaism for the future. Same for the other category above. Debresser (talk) 01:42, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
- That split sounds as if it might be feasible in this case, but could be much harder to work through the rest of the hierarchy, and we might as well treat TV categories consistently with the rest. I'd want to hear from WP:WikiProject Judaism first, so I have posted a notice there. – Fayenatic London 21:39, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- Wouldn't it be better then to split the pages that deal with the Jewish ethnic identity such as The Entity (South Park) from those that deal with the religion such as A Rugrats Passover? I was trying to find other ethnic groups that have a similar TV categories but couldn't find one, but Category:Works about race and ethnicity would be a logical parent to categories such as Category:Television episodes about Native Americans (similar to Category:Films about Native Americans) or Category:Television episodes about Romani people (similar to Category:Films about Romani people). In this case it would be Category:Television episodes about Judaism and Category:Television episodes about Jews. --Gonnym (talk) 12:13, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- Until the CFD last month, the category was "Category:Jewish-related television episodes", so it may include content about Jewish ethnic identity that is not exclusively about Judaism as a religion. Nevertheless such content should not be removed, because this is part of a well-established hierarchy Category:Jews and Judaism. – Fayenatic London 11:54, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:15, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Leaning oppose: One of the parents is Category:Television episodes about religion and this category uses that same style such as Category:Television episodes about Christianity and Category:Television episodes about Islam. Also, looking at Category:Works about religion, seems "Works about Jews and Judaism" is the odd one here and should be the one renamed. --Gonnym (talk) 11:08, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
- Category:People from Manchester (district) to Category:People from the City of Manchester – C2C: to match the rest of Category:People from Greater Manchester Rathfelder (talk) 08:56, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose - per Manchester, parent cat Category:Manchester, lack of article City of Manchester etc. Oculi (talk) 09:55, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
- "City of Manchester" is the correct disambiguator per WP:UKDISTRICTS so C2B might be possible here (although something like Category:People from the Metropolitan Borough of Manchester might actually be better to prevent confusion with other places like Old Trafford that would probably be thought of as being part of the city (but aren't part of the district). Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:24, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
- WP:UKDISTRICTS explicitly gives Manchester as the correct term, in the bulleted para beginning "In around 45 cases". Oculi (talk) 23:33, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- That's because it isn't split in article space, similar to the fact that although Solihull and Metropolitan Borough of Solihull exist in mainspace, only Category:Solihull exists for both terms (though there is a separate people from category). Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:35, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- There is a simultaneous full discussion about this. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:37, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- This was relisted at CFD 2020 Jan 23. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:10, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
- Category:People who compete in parasports to Category:Parasports competitors – Per parent Category:Sports competitors. People-centred language is not required when the focus is occupational. SFB 18:48, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy Current name was chosen during a full discussion. (Also Parasports redirects to Disabled sports). Armbrust The Homunculus 12:13, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- @Sillyfolkboy: moved to full CfD. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:14, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- This was relisted at CFD 2020 Jan 20. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:29, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- This was relisted at CFD 2020 Feb 2. Armbrust The Homunculus 21:15, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Sillyfolkboy: moved to full CfD. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:14, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy Current name was chosen during a full discussion. (Also Parasports redirects to Disabled sports). Armbrust The Homunculus 12:13, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Polish history websites to Category:History websites of Poland – C2E. Rathfelder (talk) 19:05, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose as inconsistent with Category:Polish websites (convention of Category:Websites by country). In addition, "of Poland" implies these are state-owned websites, which they are not. The other History websites of Foo categories in Category:History websites should be renamed to follow the Fooian websites convention, until/unless that convention as a whole is changed. -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:29, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- The point is that they are websites based in Foo. Not necessarily concerned with the history of Foo. Rathfelder (talk) 22:11, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
- That's a reasonable argument to make at a full CfD, but the fact is there are two competing conventions here: Fooian websites and Websites of Foo, and the former is much more common than the latter. -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:04, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- The point is that they are websites based in Foo. Not necessarily concerned with the history of Foo. Rathfelder (talk) 22:11, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
- Moved this to a full CfD. Rathfelder (talk) 20:33, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- Link to discussion. -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:43, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
- It was relisted at CFD 2019 Dec 8. Armbrust The Homunculus 16:42, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose as inconsistent with Category:Polish websites (convention of Category:Websites by country). In addition, "of Poland" implies these are state-owned websites, which they are not. The other History websites of Foo categories in Category:History websites should be renamed to follow the Fooian websites convention, until/unless that convention as a whole is changed. -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:29, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Wydad AC footballers to Category:Wydad AC players – C2C, match naming convention of parent category (Category:Footballers in Morocco by club). GiantSnowman 09:16, 19 September 2019 (UTC) GiantSnowman 09:16, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Wydad AC is a multi-sport club. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:02, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
- Support. Armbrust is right about Wydad AC being a multi-sport club, but still as GiantSnowman said the club article is discussing the football team only, similar to most other African and Arab multi-sport clubs as their football teams are usually the most notable. We have Category:Al Ahly SC players for example; Al Ahly is a multi-sport club in Egypt but the article Al Ahly SC is discussing the football team only, so it's okay to use players instead of footballers in cases like this one. Ben5218 (talk) 19:15, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- Now at full discussion. – Fayenatic London 09:53, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- It was relisted at CFD 2019 Nov 10. Armbrust The Homunculus 09:19, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
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