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AITA for refusing to have Halloween with my family for years after they screwed me over on this holiday years ago?
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AITA for refusing to have Halloween with my family for years after they screwed me over on this holiday years ago?

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AITA for refusing to have Halloween with my family for years after they screwed me over on this holiday years ago?

Originally posted to r/AmItheAsshole

TRIGGER WARNING: alcoholism, drunk driving, emotional abuse, verbal abuse, victim blaming

Original Post  Nov 4, 2021

As the title says this happened on Halloween. I'm 25M and 5 years ago my parents wanted to go to my sister's house for Halloween. At the time I was still living with them, and I wanted to go to a party a friend was hosting. But my parents were adamant that I go with them instead because they wanted us all to be together. I still wanted to go to my friend's party and my parents suggested a compromise in which I go to my sister's party first. Then my friend's. I figured it couldn't hurt to do both, so I agreed since I liked helping my nephews with trick or treating. And that year I was wearing an inflatable ninja costume I was really eager to have fun in.

Well I was ready and waiting in the costume for hours. And by the time we finally took the kids out, most houses stopped giving candy and there was hardly anybody walking around. And we only went around the block, that's it. Then when I wanted to go to my friend's house my parents guilted me into staying because they needed me as a designated driver. I would have driven them home first and then gone to my friend's party. But my parents just kept drinking and refused to leave. So I lost out on going the other party and cussed my parents out for making me miss it and not even being able to enjoy my Halloween. They just said that it was too late, and what could they do about it. They didn't even attempt to make it up to me.

I refused to speak with them later. So they confronted me and I said I didn't even want to look at them because they broke their promise. Then I said that unless they could somehow pull a new Halloween party with all my friends out of their asses, then they had completely screwed me over. Then I left before they could say anything else to me. My friends were nearly as upset as I was. But my sister told me off and said I was callous because she had wanted me there. Ever since that year I only spent Halloween with friends.

This year my parents begged me to go with them to my sister's instead. I asked why and they wanted me to drive them. So I refused and said they just wanted a designated driver. And they'd already screwed me over before and didn't even attempt to make it better back then. And I didn't wanna just sit around watching them get drunk with the only real highlight being helping kids trick or treat. I hung out with my friends and we had a blast with a farmyard party. But my sister called me up on Monday furious at me because our parents were pulled over on their way home and got a DUI, and that this would have never happened if I had driven them. And now most of the family is pissed at me.

So AITA for refusing to drive my parents to my sister's house for Halloween because of something they did 5 years ago?

RELEVANT COMMENTS

plscallmeRain

While you are 100% NTA for anything your parents did, you are weirdly bitter about a party you missed as a 19 year old, dude. You were an adult. You chose to stay. Nothing was stopping you from leaving. You need to recognize that you are responsible for your own choices, something your family doesn't seem to be good at.

OOP

No I was stopped from leaving because I couldn't take my parents vehicle. We rode together and they refused to let me just borrow their car and come back. The bitterness is because they lied to me and then showed no remorse that they did.

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elsewhere

This is weird. Have they just done it on these two halloween parties, or do they do this at other times? 

Why didn't your sister drive them? Or sister's partner if they're in the picture? If she has kids there surely had to be a sober adult there.

Obviously it's not your fault your parents drove drunk. NTA

OOP

They've drove drunk several times. I didn't mind driving them some places. But then they wanted me as a designated driver all the time. And they only wanted me to drive their car, not mine. So I made it clear to them that I wouldn't be their driver if I had plans. Which I did.

VERDICT: NOT THE ASSHOLE

OOP Updated 5 days later Nov 9, 2021 - Same post

Update: My sister and her husband spotted my post a few days after I made it and called me. My sister said she's ashamed of herself and now sees my point of view. At first she was furious I made the post. But her husband chewed her out for not ever sticking up for me because he really had no idea my parents treated me this badly. And after they both read the comments she realized how toxic this whole dynamic was. At first she blamed it on the stress of being a mother. But quickly took that back and said she really has no excuse for never considering me in these situations.

We talked and she remarked how I've always loved Halloween ever since I was a little kid. And she let my parents ruin it for me that day 5 years ago, even though she knew about the promise they broke. The conversation got pretty emotional and she apologized heavily because she had put the blame on me when she was the one who let our parents drink and drive year after year.

I've got more details now. And my mother is actually the one who got the DUI. I'd assumed our father. But he apparently was so wasted that he was on the verge of passing out, and pretty much did as soon as he was in the car. Our mother insisted that she was ok to drive, and then ran a red light. That's how a cop spotted her and she was arrested. The car was impounded and our father was escorted home by police to sleep it off. He woke up with a raging hangover and a temper to match. Then took it all out on my sister over the phone, and she in turn took it out on me.

Our mother has had her license suspended, the car cost them $600 to get out of impound, and both of my parents were putting this on me. Until we all ganged up on them for what they've been doing. Our father fought us every step of the way. But we made it clear they've been putting their alcoholism above everything else and we're tired of it because there have been a lot of broken promises from them all around. Our mother promised to do better, but our father just stayed silent and wouldn't make eye contact with any of us.

Things are tense now. But I'm glad my sister is finally on my side in all of this.

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Mood Spoiler: sad but things might be looking better

Original Post: July 27, 2024

I m24 met a girl f22 in a community college class when I was 20, we came from very different backgrounds, I was middle class trying to find a cheaper way to go to college, she was living in almost poverty going to school because she was forced to by her parents who were threatening to kick her out.

She dropped out about a year into her schooling while I continued and finished, during her first year we formed a relationship and she moved in to my apartment more or less.

Her relationship with her parents is pretty much non-existent and she has little to no outside friends besides one or two women she knew from highschool (who are deadbeats in my opinion). I make around 80k a year so we live relatively comfortably, but there's still some strain on finances.

I can't say exactly say when I started losing feelings, but the fact that she refuses to work, will not cook and wants to eat out everyday, does not want to go to school, and continuously wants to buy and spend money on clothes and other stuff just slowly started grating me more and more.

I work in a female dominated workplace, and seeing, having conversations, and interacting with coworkers who have so much going for them, have fun hobbies, and aspirations makes it all the more worse when your girlfriend is chronically online and spends 7 hours a day scrolling through Instagram or TikTok reels and thinks having sex is all she needs to do on her end.

Our relationship isn't bad, we have fights every now and then like a average couple, have an active sex life, but that's pretty much it. From her perspective if I broke up with her it would be out of nowhere, but I'm pretty much done, and know I could move on quickly and have nothing to be regretful about as shitty as it sounds.

The problem comes in her having no job, no finances, almost no friends, and no family support unit. I'm not a monster, I don't want to make someone virtually homeless, but I don't want to be stuck with someone who has nothing going for them either.

I don't know what to do.

Edit: Thank you for all the advice in this post, I don't know if this sub allows updates but I'll talk to her tomorrow about this and start the process of working this out

Update Post: July 28, 2024 (Next Day)

For starters I want to thank everyone for all the advice I was given on the last thread as it helped me formulate how I would go about doing this. When I made that post I was having an extremely bad day and didn't expect it to blow up like it did, so I don't think I was able to give her a fair defense.

Also I got dozens of messages, ranging from asking me to hand out her contact info so they could take her in as a live in sex girlfriend, to helpful advice telling me to start hiding anything valuable.

When I had said that she had come from poverty, her father is a laborer while her mother also lives a similar lifestyle to how she lives now. Their home is maybe 1100sqft and in a terrible place in town, and given her father's past ultimatum, I don't think he will take her back as she hasn't been back home in years.

YES, I have talked to her about this, since January maybe three times. Either by gently telling her it would be nice if she went out more to find a hobby at the very least to flat out saying she was wasting away on her phone and that she needs to get a job or go back to school. Each time she either changed the subject, makes it a joke, or follows through for a couple of days before going back to her usual self.

She is a kind partner, who asks me about my day, always try's to make me laugh or lighten the mood when I get annoyed, and generally shows a lot of affection.

Which makes me feel terrible when none of that works anymore, and I just see her as another person.

Now for the confrontation.

Last night when we were both getting ready for bed, I didn't take my clothes off and instead just stood there telling her we needed to talk.

At first she was just smiling and jumping up and down on the bed with her knees thinking I wasn't as serious as I was, but eventually she was able to read the mood.

I told her something wasn't feeling right anymore, that I've tried to make this work and be patient with her for the past few years, but I didn't know how much more time I was willing to spend waiting for her to get a job, go back to school, or just get a hobby if anything. I told her that it annoyed and gratted me that she just didn't seem to care about herself, and that I hated she had no goals or aspirations.

This was probably the first time in a long time she was as attentive as she's ever been during this conversation, and agreed to whatever I was saying, even also giving suggestions on where she can apply, what courses were starting to interest her, and even said I could look over her as she submitted applications online to make sure she wasn't lying.

In her head it seemed like I was still willing to make this work, and a part of me believed this would finally be the moment that she would change.

So it made the next part even harder for me and for her.

At her first I told her I didn't love her the same way, which slowly but eventually lead to me saying I didn't feel anything at all about this relationship and was jaded. I was tired and wanted a fresh start with someone who was more goal oriented, and wanted something more out of life.

When she realized what I was getting at, she started to cry and asked why I didn't mention this sooner, and I said I've always asked her to cook, to go out with me to try something out, or to just go back to school, even when I offered to pay for her classes. ANYTHING.

She said she understands that part, but was upset why I didn't say it was leading to me losing interest in her, because from her perspective it seemed as if I still loved her all the same.

She started apologizing, saying she wasn't in the right mental state and saying nothing was motivating her, and she genuinely had no interest in any hobbies, the only thing she liked was spending time with me which is all she looked forward to in the day when I came home.

None of this was really affecting my emotions besides making me feel uncomfortable, so I tried to continue by saying, I think her lifestyle would be better with another person, but she immediately cut me off and became more panicked.

She started to apologize again for what she's done and said she would be a better girlfriend, that she would go with me tomorrow to wherever I wanted to go, and would look for courses in August that she could start doing. But she did not want to lose me since she had nothing else in life, and absolutely hated that I stopped loving her.

There were so much tears and snot that I said we would have this conversation again when she calmed down, and we eventually did in an hour or so.

She pleaded to give her two months to make a change and give her another chance, and promised and promised that she would change. Again she listed off all the places she would apply to and said she would be a better partner.

I never wanted to make her homeless, so this seemed like a good settlement, even though I still had my doubts.

I then reaffirmed that I wanted to see other people, but she seemed much more adamant on this issue than the aspirations issue that she would be able to fix this. She said just give her a month to try and make the relationship work, and asked me again and again on what she could do to make her love her again, and that she didn't want me to hate her.

She said that this was the worst part of it all, in the only person that she had just being done. It seemed as if she was about to breakdown again, so I said ok we'll see how this relationship is in a month.

In my mind, If I'm allowing her two months to get back on her feet, then by a month she would already be ready to move on. I also didn't want her to suffer a complete mental breakdown while I was still living her, so giving her a month to let her "fix" the relationship would give her enough time to accept things.

I slept on the couch last night, and will probably continue doing so for a while, she came out at about 3am wanting to talk some more, but I said I was exhausted and we would do it tomorrow, she then slept on the floor beside me for the rest of the night apologizing again, when I told her to stop, she silently said ok and sobbed for a bit under her blanket.

But that's everything that's happened, so far. This was one of the hardest things I've ever had to do, but I regret nothing and feel much better letting everything out.

I don't know how this situation will be in two months, but I was firm that it was the deadline. This post will probably get buried so I probably won't do another update since I don't think anyone will care about this in a week or a month, but I will definitely private message those of you who have been helping me through this on how it turns out or those who just want to be updated.

But yeah, thanks.

Edit: for all of you who keep asking what my workplace is I'm a RN.

Update Post 2: July 29, 2024 (Next Day)

I feel like this will be an easier place to post since it's my page and I don't have to worry about over spamming with small or inconsequential updates anywhere else, as it's only for those wanting to read.

I want everyone who has private messaged me to know I read them all, especially those of you who have gone through similar circumstances as me and have shared your stories.

I've been doing some self reflecting and think I know how I want to go about this that will help with my lack of communication skills. I know I'm not a perfect person but I still stand by my decisions I made that night 100% through and through.

I might post an update sooner in a week or so as the day after our fight im filled with a bit more hope than usual, don't know how long it will last but better make use of it.

But again just wanted to post this for everyone sharing your stories with me privately as I can't message you all, as it's been helping me make decisions on what to do about this all immensely.

Update Post 3: August 3, 2024 (1 week from OG post)

This is a long post and no I'm not going to give a TLDR.

Hey all it's been about a week since my last post and thought I'd give an update. A lot has happened, including the explosion of my first update thread. I have over 50+ DMs asking me for an update so instead of copy and pasting replies, I'll do another one.

I find it easier to write then to speak in many situations so this has been a great way to help my decisions and clear my head. Writing everything down has helped tremendously and I will continue to do so until this is all over and I will nuke everything afterwards.

After the night confrontation, we didn't really speak all to much at home, with it being dry and awkward for a day or two, but I have been told I'm a workaholic by nature so it was easy for me to stay at the hospital as a distraction, but in that time she did start to cook again. (We weren't in the mood to go out to eat together.)

Eventually though, I sat down with her after she asked for a more thorough conversation on why I felt our relationship was failing, she promised not to cry or get upset but wanted me to to be 100% upfront so she had a better way of understanding, stating she wanted to try everything to fix this.

I was really apprehensive about this and I can't really explain why, but given being together for four years I wanted to at least make an effort myself out of respect even though a large part of me was angry for even doing so as I feel I've never had the same from her.

There have been many different camps in my last update, the main ones being kick her out immediately and leave her before it gets worse, try to find a way to fix our relationship, or end the relationship all together but continue living with someone who would probably become absolutely neurotic. (If I was going to let her stay for two months I would absolutely not be dealing with that.)

I took consideration in all these main advice discussions and read through almost every reply. Even the most assumptive, bizzare and downright unhinged Redditor takes.

More importantly, I took heavy influence of those who have shared with me their past stories which either led to them being stuck in loveless relationships for years or eventually being able to overcome their problems and have an even stronger connection. (Thank you again for your private messages I read through a lot of your lives.)

Now for our conversation.

She said she saw something on TikTok where couples put a phone on a table with a timer and wanted to do something similar, for each person to air what made them upset. I said that was dumb, if we were going to talk about our problems it would be better if there was no time limit. She eventually agreed and said I could go first, asking me first when was the time that I completely lost my love in her.

As I said before, it was never one action, but a grating feeling that got worse and worse until it got to this point and I told her that, so she then asked when was the time I felt the most angry.

I said it would take some time to think for me and she said that was fine. After a few minutes something came to mind.

I couldn't formulate the right words at first but it eventually just started to come out. I told her the worst time was when I was first starting at my hospital. To keep it short the tempo was brutal, it was constant work with little to no downtime as I was constantly learning new things that school would had never taught me, while being expected to be able to handle it as a professional, it was without a doubt the most stressed I've ever been and I feel like other RNs can relate here.

That year hardened the way I think now, that hard work does pay off, if you have the drive and the passion.

I told her I think that was when I started losing feelings the fastest, seeing her at home doing absolutely nothing. Coming home to no food made, to her not working a job, to her not learning anything, completely stuck to the internet with nothing to show for it.

I said it made me even more upset when I had given suggestions for jobs with pretty easy schedules, or to find a new interest in school that would pan out better than last time only to be rejected at my every attempt, I told her flat out that it disgusted me.

She asked me why I didn't make this a bigger issue at the time, that I should have communicated this to her but I said there's somethings that shouldn't have to be said, I should[n't] have to remind her to wash her ass, eat, do something other than mindlessly scrolling on her phone for hours at a day, everyday.

I also told her that after coming home from the hospital during more stressful days, the last thing I wanted was to spend my time begging my girlfriend to do something productive, so I held my tongue and settled as she was still nice and caring. I had no other reasons to end it, and so the resentment grew worse from then on.

It was around here that I became more mean to my regret now, but I will still input it as I have everything else.

I told her that when she dropped nursing, I was upset since I felt that she was more than capable of doing what I had done. But after spending more time in the relationship, and spending more time getting to know her, I knew that with the type of person she was there was no way she could have ever finished.

Which is why I suggested easier and more laid back jobs, less demanding majors for school, shit even if she just cooked or found an interesting hobby at that point I would have appreciated it. Still, she chose to do nothing for years, it's just the type of person she was and why I felt done for her romantically over time.

She asked me if I hated her, and I said I didn't know. I told her she was very loving and kind, but I hated how she handled her life to this point. That I felt no ill will towards her after airing everything out, but I also felt nothing else, I just felt done and ready to move on.

Throughout this conversation we kept eye contact, and there were times it seems like she would break, but like she said she remained as calm as she could while I said what I had to say.

I told her I was done and she could say her peace now, but she asked if we could continue the conversation later and locked herself in our room for the rest of the day.

The next day we sat down again and finished the conversation. She told me that she thinks she's depressed, saying that she didn't feel sad before that night, just had no motivation of doing anything. I had a couple of messages telling me to ask her to get tested for ADHD, but when I started bringing it up she was very adamant that is not something she felt comfortable with.

I knew she didn't like needles or going to the hospital in general, but her flat out refusing to get tested for disorders when I told her it was not at all like a regular hospital visit surprised me. She asked me if she was able to change in her behaviors, would I give her another chance. I said I didn't know, as I felt nothing right now and didn't know if her doing it would bring any feeling back. Especially since it took my breaking point to do so.

She asked if there was any compromise, and I told her again, if in a month I felt like there was enough reason to stay together I would, but that there was no guarantee that my feelings would return. But I would match any effort she also put out.

She was frustrated by my answer but I said that's how it would be. She gave me a piece of paper to look at that she was working on last night that had a list of hobbies and interests she wanted to look into, the two major ones being photography and cooking again.

She told me that she was looking into these while also showing me her phone giving proof that she was putting in applications on Indeed and Glassdoor for some entry level positions that she might get hired in.

I told her if she was able to show enough passion or interest in these hobbies that she showed, I would not care about her working, just anything to improve herself. But if she didn't do anything at all, then it would be best to look for a new job to help her if she moves out.

I've also been asked in Private messages if I have any personal friends to talk to. There's two female coworkers I confide some information in given how many hours we work together at our hospital, and who I completely trust as in my opinion they are extremely grounded. They both said I would eventually get love bombed and this would all go back to how it once was, and that I needed to stand firm with moving on.

They've very helpful friends who have even offered to let me stay over for a few nights giving the reason that I would fall for her manipulation if I continued being anywhere near her in their own words. But it didn't feel right since I'm still technically in a relationship, but I said I would consider it if the situation worsened. But again I find them grounded, so I always try to take their advice to heart.

Despite numerous messages from you all privately or openly telling me that this will be a mistake, I want to make the attempt to give this one last try. Though I feel heavily closed and guarded and still feel indifferent with our current situation. But a lot of you have told me this can eventually change with enough work from both parties.

I have also taken the advice of those saying to cut off sex (which was my intention from the start anyway) by continuing to sleep in the living room. But each day she has been sleeping on the floor right below me even when I tell her I'd rather be alone with my thoughts, telling me this is something she would not accept.

But that's everything so far, next update will probably be at the month mark as there's nothing else I feel like I need to say for now, just waiting to see if things can get better now that we're working on this somewhat.

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*****Update Post 4: August 19, 2024 (16 days later, 3 weeks from OG post)*****

Title: First Week

Hello, a lot has happened in the past two weeks, it's actually felt more like a month with how much has gone down.

To those I have DMed with on Reddit about my situation, sorry I have not been replying, at some point a week ago my messages blew up again with another 100+, so I took a break and haven't logged in for awhile while I work on my situation.

I won't be posting in subreddits anymore relating to my problems, and will instead chronicle everything that comes to mind here on my page, as I feel more comfortable just updating those who worry for me at this point.

My girlfriend was very proactive last week, it was a manic influx of energy as she tried to get interested in many different things that she thought she could enjoy. I kept my promise in meeting her halfway and tried my best at helping her in whatever way I could. The only real interest that she's been mainly sticking with is photography.

I've said before that she has a stockpile of clothes that she's had over the years, and she sold a few of them on depop in order to get enough money to get a Canon 250d camera that she says is good for starting out (she's looked a lot more into this than me).

I strongly assume she stuck with this hobby as it gave her a chance to spend more time with me, as she continued asking me to go out into the city to take pictures and test out her camera, given that I had promised to match her energy and didn't want to be a hypocrite, I did so even when I came home from longer shifts at the hospital.

There was a major change in her behavior however. While she usually was a very loving and affection partner, it had been turned up to its max during the first week. She asked me maybe 8 times a day how I was doing, if I was upset, what I wanted to do for the rest of the day etc, just trying to gauge my mood.

When we went out, her PDA was also maxed, she wanted to kiss, hold hands, and spend the night out as long as possible, even when I said I had to go in early to work the next day.

It's hard to describe in words what she was doing, I don't know if it was exactly love bombing, but with the energy she putting out, I was fully expecting a crash to come, and it did during the second week. (I'll talk about that in another post.)

There was only so much I could handle before I needed a break, especially with how I was still feeling after everything that had happened prior. My friends at work are the only other people I have been engaging with and I've told them everything that has been happening.

They warned me again that I was getting love bombed like they predicted and it would only get worse, they asked me what I would do if I was stuck with her longer than two months, and I said my lease would be ending soon so it was helping ease my mind, as I wouldn't mind moving if this all turned out for the worse, while still giving her enough time of a heads up.

They stated their concerns that I was coming to work more tired that usual and it was getting noticeable, but I told them that I felt fine. During the weekend they had insisted that I go out with them to help my mood, stating that too much time at in my apartment was not good for my health in my current situation.

I declined when first offered, but after being asked again the day of, I agreed and for most of the day I was with them having a really good time, in fact it helped to regain my mood considerably.

Naturally my girlfriend was wondering where I had been the entire day, but I told her I had been with friends and even though she was disappointed we couldn't go out for the day, I promised her we would spend all day tommorow together.

I get continued messages that I should immediately drop my friends and that they are manipulating me in my decisions, and think what you may, I know they are good people who look out for me. They played a large part in me quitting smoking this year, which although has made me more anxious at times, has helped with my health considerably.

There's a different type of bond you form with people in our work environment and I trust my coworkers with my life for lack of a better term.

Anyway that's most of what happened the first week, putting everything for the second week would triple this post and it's hard looking back on it as it happened so recently and I still feel heavily raw (large part of me posting this update to help as writing everything out has always been a therapy for me.)

But yeah thanks for your messages, and I'll try to reply to those of you I promised to keep updated for more relevant details.

Update Post 5: September 26, 2024 (5 weeks later, 2 months from OG post)

This is a very long post just as forewarning.

I've been holding back posting this for a while, as whenever I begin to write, I cannot continue without having to stop.

But now that over a month have passed, I think now is the best time to reflect.

There might be parts in this post that don't make to much sense chronologically, but given that I've been writing and taking breaks over multiple attempts, some past tense might be off as to where I began and left off.

When I said the crash of emotions would come, I was right, it was ugly, loud, and could have been easily prevented in parts. When I posted my last update, I was not in the right mental state, so reflecting on the week before and writing helped to calm my nerves.

I'm also a bit embarrassed to admit that I started to smoke a bit again, but it also helped tremendously in my mental which was getting close to crash as of recent and without the help of my friends I didn't have much else to turn to, this breakdown was something I could not tell them since I didn't want them stepping in.

There had been a point where my girlfriend was in a not so well mood during one of our outings to the city. After returning home, she had said I was being dismissive, and if I felt angry or upset with her.

Trying to be better with communicating, I said that I was getting uncomfortable with her constant need of affirmation and affection, as it was continually constant. Given that she was still sleeping in the living room at night, I was getting no time alone to myself at all while at home, and after so many outings, I was starting to get physically and emotionally drained.

Truthfully I felt physically tired more than anything, and given what my my coworkers and my girlfriend say, it tends to show on my face more worse then it is.

My girlfriend seemed to take this heavily, and didn't attempt to talk with me for the remainder of the day, along with the next, but was in a much more brooding mood during the second.

Maybe it would have been better to apologize or communicate better during that point, as it might have been the point that a lot of this could have been avoided if I said something, but I instead took the time to nap and spend time alone, which I had rarely the chance to for over a week.

Then came the third day.

A lot happened over the course of this day, and a lot was said, and this was where the breaking point occurred which caused further problems throughout the following week.

I will try to be as thorough as I can remembering everything that happened, from the start of the day to the end.

When I had woken up, I had left without saying goodbye or speaking to my girlfriend as I was almost running late, normally I at least check on her to see what she's doing before I leave. (She had been sleeping in our room for the last few days since her mood dropped.)

My mood was higher than usual during work, as I was rested, had my alone time, and was just genuinely having a nice time at the hospital which didn't happen too often.

There were a few times when my coworkers would go out to eat after work, and for the past few weeks I had been declining, but on this given day I had joined them, which led to me arriving home around 9 or later, it was pretty late and I had a few drinks.

This is where I begin to have trouble writing. And where I usually stop.

Arriving home, I see my girlfriend siting down in the living room, looking at me directly as I walked in, not saying a word.

It startled me, and I asked what she had been doing, as she wasn't on her phone nor was she watching TV, just sitting as if she was staring at a wall before I had entered.

She asked me where I had been, and I said I was out with friends. She immediately asked were they my friends from work?

My girlfriend is aware that I work alongside mostly women, and I have brought up my friends in the past before our relationship broke down to this point.

I said yes, I was with them and we had gone out to eat. She asked me if I had been drinking as well, I don't know if it was noticeable or not or just a random question but I said that I had.

There was a period of uncomfortable silence that felt a lot longer in memory.

She eventually brought up my month deadline on wether my feelings would change, and she asked if they have. It took me a minute to reply as that question had taken me off guard and I said I appreciated her efforts in what she was doing, but I was still unsure of our future together and couldn't give her a direct answer.

She told me again that during our outings together, that I was being dismissive, and that she felt I wasn't putting in the same effort to make this relationship work.

I asked what she meant, as I was going out with her whenever she asked and matching her effort in finding hobbies whenever she thought of something she enjoyed, to me it just seemed like something she was just saying out of neediness.

I think it was at this point she started to lose her composure, as her voice couldn't remain constant. She told me if I was aware that I wasn't smiling when we were outside, that I was quiet and rarely talked when we were spending time together. I told her she already knew how I felt, so for some of it, my mixed feelings shouldn't come as surprise.

But I also explained again my lack of talking was just from being tired from work, but I don't think she believed me. She told me she's constantly overthinking how I feel now that she knows I've lost feelings, and doesn't know what she can do to make them come back. I told her again to just find a passion for something anything, to get out of bed and be active with anything in her life.

She says it's been two weeks and she's been as active as she can possibly be, to the point that it was causing her mental stress, but my mood wasn't improving, and she's wondering if anything will actually change now that it's closer to a month.

And then came the full breakdown.

Through tears and a broken voice, she tells me how much she loves me, how much affection and love she has given me throughout this relationship, just for me to throw it away over something as stupid as my conditions, as if it was just an excuse to end things, if I ever really loved her at all while we were together.

She goes on to say that even with how upset she is at me, and how hurt and betrayed she has felt by the one person she has, that she still loves me and wants to continue our relationship. She tells me there will be nothing for her if I leave, no one, no place, no future, her will to live will be gone and she won't know what to do with herself.

Now there's a lot I could have said during this, but I don't think I can accurately convey just how hard she was breaking down emotionally during this exchange. There were points as to where she was almost screaming, completely bawling, and it all just made me freeze, as this was the first time I've ever witnessed her fall apart at this level.

She goes on again to say there's no reason to live if this is the end, it won't matter what job she gets, another month will not be a enough, and she knows I still won't want to be with her, and that she will have nothing.

After everything was said, she locked herself again in our room, and stayed there for a few more days, whenever I tried to knock to initiate conversation, she screamed for me to go away, and I did.

A few days later, she had finally calmed down enough to where we could speak to each other, and she changed her attitude 180. She still was still upset, but extremely apologetic in what she did and said, telling me that a lot of it was just in the moment and she didn't meant it.

The days that I was finally able to spend alone, without her or my friends gave me the mental to finally do what I should have a month ago.

I told her as gently and as calmly as I could that it was over, that there was no chance that we could be together at this point and I no longer wanted to be in a relationship. I told her I would let her stay for an additional two months until she could find a job and help her get on her feet.

I also said that if she was unable to do anything by that time, then I would be gone and moved out.

She started to cry again, but in a much more defeated manner that almost made me break myself, but she agreed to the terms, and it was finally done.

She was able to get a job at a supermarket about a week afterwards, but only part time at first as that was all they were offering. After our final confrontation, our speaking terms were more or less dead, whenever she was off work she would be in her room alone for the remainder of the day and night, I had stayed on the couch as at this point I was pretty much used to it and didn't really mind it.

It feels really wrong and selfish to say but I felt extremely free and happy for a bit, I didn't inform my coworkers about my breakup when it happened, and just continued to vaguely say that we were working on it, but during that time I frequently started going out a lot more with them after work, as staying in our apartment felt more like a chore and depressing.

I had hit a high that I had not felt in a long while, and then everything came crashing on me the following week.

I had contracted Pneumonia, and was off work for about two weeks to recover. At first I thought I had caught a cold, but one day it hit like a brick and my lungs felt at 50% capacity, I couldn't take a deep breath without going into a fit of coughing and I constantly felt fatigued, even now as I write this update with my most of my symptoms gone I still have to use an inhaler to help myself breath at times.

For most of the days that I had been sick I was sleeping, most days between 12-14 hours, and the time that I was awake I was lying down. When I told her what I had contracted and she saw how sick I was she offered to let me have the bedroom again but I refused and said that I was fine. Since she was working part time there was still a lot of time that she was spending at home, and for the first few days she left me alone.

But towards the middle of the first week I was sick she started to occasionally check on me to see if I was ok and if I wanted anything to eat. Honestly I hated that me being sick forced us to interact, not because I was mad or anything, but because it felt incredibly weird and awkward, and that I had to depend on her now for a few things not even a week after we had broken up.

I didn't feel well enough to get groceries like I normally did, and since she already worked at a supermarket she insisted that she buy food instead, and when I gave her my card she refused it and said she would buy it herself.

For the most part I was snacking on fruit and cookies, but she said if I was going to get better that I eat actual meals, so she began to cook for me even when I said I didn't want anything. Even with this, we didn't eat together for the first week as she went back to her a room after checking on me.

But during the start of the second week of me being home, she started to sit down with me while I was awake and talk with me. She told me about her day at work and her coworkers, and a bunch of other stuff, It felt like a lot of it were things she wanted to tell me earlier but couldn't because everything was still raw. But when she started to talk she didn't stop and honestly I enjoyed listening to her talk about her day because it felt different.

It went from talking to us watching TV together during nights that I couldn't fall asleep to us just talking about our issues that we've been holding to ourselves for a while. It was extremely cathartic and there was no yelling or arguing, just listening, it felt a way that we hadn't talked in a long time, not since from before we got together years ago when were friends and classmates.

Sometime during the second week I had hit a point where I felt extremely ill and I didn't want to talk or do anything, but I couldn't sleep either because I kept on coughing. She didn't go to work that day and stayed beside me for a long while, we didn't talk at all but she made sure I was still eating and drinking water.

There's a lot than can be said on how those two weeks made me feel about my situation with her and everything that had happened, but I can't convey them in words much less writing, but I'll just say it was a lot of time to think.

Since I've recovered, I had been trying to make a bigger effort to talk with her, but at the same time not trying to make it feel forced as it may have felt a month ago.

Just random conversations about random things, about how her photos were going, how work was doing, if she liked her a boss, just whatever.

She spent less time in her room and more time in the living room with me when I had gotten home just talking about her day and work, customers and coworkers, and in turn I told her about my day.

Gradually within these weeks it feels as if the transition of being in relationship to being friends is a lot more apparent, and it feels better and more organic this way as it's become easier to communicate.

Even still though, there's a barrier between us, something that formed from our final argument, and it's hard to describe exactly what it is, but it's there.

The deadline that I had formed for me moving out is at the end of October, as that's when my lease ends, I'll post another update around that time, this post has turned a lot longer than i thought, but it's nice looking back on everything and seeing how our situation has been changing for the better. If you're still around reading this, thanks for the continued messages regarding my situation, sorry if I couldn't reply in the meantime.


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I had the opportunity for revenge, but I couldn't do it.

Originally posted to r/TrueOffMyChest

TRIGGER WARNING: infidelity, exploitation

Original Post  Nov 26, 2022

I found out a month ago that the love of my life and my best friend have been having an affair for at least the past year. After looking into it more, not only did all our "friends" know, but they have also been actively hanging out with them. I'm a socially awkward individual so making friends for me is hard. I met all of them through my "best friend", so I guess it is natural they chose him over me.  I hated all of them. I spent 24/7 with one of them when their parent died because they didn't want to be alone and were a danger to himself. I was there for another when her boss was harassing her, and she needed help finding a new job. I let another one stay at my place for free for 3 months because his parents kicked him out when he told them he was gay. All 6 of those a****les have been through so much and I was there for every one of them.

Now I realize they all just kept me around to use me when they needed. Including my gf and best friend. I helped the man start his business when no one would invest in him, still hasn't really taken off and he still asks for my time to help him do things. I've been working day and night to help her pay of the medical bills from her surgery after she had an accident. I've been out of the house for a few months because my mother was sick, and I needed to help her, but I still commute back 10hrs every weekend to make sure my gf is doing alright.

I have gone through her phone and seen all the pictures, the flirty messages and the group chats. All of them planning outings, meetings and whatnot. I have seen the disparaging messages about me, the I love yous and them basically flip flopping between still loving me, leaving me, not wanting to hurt me anymore and then realizing they need me. They all still need me.  I was pissed and I mean I was so angry I scared myself.

The thing about being the go-to guy for help and being the quiet one is that people trust you. They tell you things. Things that can get you in a lot of trouble. I spent the past month preparing my plan, getting everything in order to absolutely implode their lives in a way you can never recover without someone altruistically helping you out, but who will help them? Not me, and they can't ask each other because they will all be in the same damn boat.

Everything was ready, I had pictures, videos and text logs. The lease would have been up in December, and I wasn't renewing that. I have a new job lined up which would pay less but I know I will enjoy. All my main items were out and the rest I didn't care for. I pretended to go out to my mom's. I waited an hour and came back. I could see them through the windows, him and her cuddling and kissing while they all sat around chatting like it's a regular day.  I took a picture of that scene. I was ready to send the texts and emails basically ready to set their lives' ablaze.

I couldn't. No matter how much someone has hurt me, I can't be responsible to ruining someone's life. Sure, they did the things, and I was just unearthing them. It would still have been my decision that burned them all and there would've been collateral damage to people who did nothing. I had come this far and had to do something, so I just sent the picture in a group chat and looked in. One by one they checked the message and started panicking, I guess. One of them finally spots my car and I see them all look at me. I don't know what was going in their heads. Was it panic, regret, guilt, sadness, who knows. I started my car and as I started driving off, my ex came out bare foot in the cold moving as fast as she could in her state. I don't know if she was crying because of guilt or regret but I didn't care I drove off to my mom.

They called me a bunch of times and sent me thousands of messages. I used to read all of them and with each one, I felt less for them. It went from asking to forgiveness to anger to groveling basically to questions about how they will do the things I used to do for all of them. I don't care. I'm getting a new number on Monday. I still get a new sobbing voice mail from my ex every 20-30 minutes asking for me to come back. I get texts my ex-best friend to come back and beat him up, that he would sell everything he owns and give it to me. My friends apologizing for their parts and wanting to be pals again. I don't know what drives this, but they know I've read some of them.

I think I'm over it. I don't feel angry anymore and I feel happy I didn't do what they did to me. It would've never been satisfying for me.

11 month update  Oct 1, 2023

Previous post: https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/z5h3dq/i_had_the_opportunity_for_revenge_but_i_couldnt/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Hi everyone. I happened to remember this account, so I decided why not update you all. First of all my mom is doing much better and is preparing for a 5K. Her goal is to complete one by 2025. Thank you for all your well wishes, I would like to tell you everything with me is going great and I'm doing amazing. That my ex-friends and gf are doing terribly and are destitute. Life isn't a movie or a storybook, and things don't work out the way we would like them to.

But, it can get pretty close to one. I am doing amazing. My new job has been one of the most fulfilling experiences of my life. Since I stopped paying for unnecessary medical bills and rent for a place I never really cared for, I've saved up so much money. I decided to finally invest that money in something worthwhile. Myself. I didn't hit the gym or anything, but I did get some work done on my teeth. They had some minor discoloration. When they shaped it for a crown and removed the layers, it looked like it was painted with pepsi or something. It was a boost in confidence. I started buying more and more clothes and building outfits. I started anti-anxiety meds which have brought me out of my shell. I feel so much better. I met someone a few weeks ago. We've just been talking through text and it seems to be going well.

I don't really know what's going on with the people I left behind. I heard rumors that came from a long chain of people so don't trust them really. My ex and ex-best friend are having a baby which has caused financial issues for them with the medical debt and struggling business venture, but are somehow making it work. The girl whom I helped get a job was caught in an affair with her boss(he may or may not be married, it's unclear), who threw her under the bus professionally to save himself but seems to have landed on her feet because the company wanted to avoid a scandal. Another one of them has gotten engaged to his gf, last I remember he was single so don't even know how long they've been involved. The one I housed for 3 months is doing fine as well but may have gotten an std from one of his one-night buddies. I have no information on the last dude.

So a mixed bag of good for me and a little bad for them but not terrible. Just normal life issues. It's as close as one gets to karmic justice I guess? The last contact I had with my ex was an email 6 months ago. She detailed how sorry she was about the fallout of her actions. She just fell in love with him while still loving me and didn't really know how to proceed from there. It was a bad time for her as she relied on me so much that made her get resentful and something about being with him made her feel in control. She ended it with how much she regrets her actions and the hurt she caused but doesn't regret loving me or him, and that she still loves us both and will always be here if I need her. I never responded because there was no need. I can understand her perspective in this, doesn't mean I condone her actions, but I can somewhat forgive her and move on from this permanently. Humans are complex and so is love. Sometimes we hurt the ones we love the most. While I don't like her or her actions, I do believe she loved us both. She doesn't seem to have any reason to lie. Anyway, C'est La Vie.

Have a good evening guys, and don't spend your energy getting upset or anything on my behalf.

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AITA for refusing to walk my daughter down the aisle because of what she did to her mom?

I am NOT OOP, OOP is u/anon73206

AITA for refusing to walk my daughter down the aisle because of what she did to her mom?

Originally posted to r/AITAH

Trigger Warnings: entitlement


Original Post: September 25, 2024

So, this has been an ongoing issue in my family for a while, but now that the wedding is coming up, everything has come to a head. I (50M) have a daughter, “Emma” (26F), who I’ve always had a very close relationship with. I’ve been married to my wife (Emma’s mom), “Laura” (49F), for 30 years now. We’re a solid family—or at least I thought we were.

Here’s the backstory: A couple of years ago, Emma met her now-fiancé, “Tom” (28M). Things moved fast between them, and she was head over heels for him. We were happy for her at first, but something changed about a year into their relationship. Emma became distant from us, especially her mom. Laura and Emma used to be really close, but all of a sudden, Emma started snapping at her for little things, avoiding family dinners, and not sharing anything about her life.

Then we found out why.

About a year and a half ago, I overheard Emma and Tom having a conversation when they didn’t know I was around. She was saying horrible things about her mom—stuff that really broke my heart. Emma was telling Tom that she couldn’t stand how “overbearing” her mom was, that Laura always tried to “control” her, and that she felt like Laura was jealous of her life and success. She even said she “resents” her mom for putting so much pressure on her when she was younger.

I was floored. Laura has always supported Emma in everything she did, from helping her through college to emotionally supporting her during rough patches. I never saw any of this coming. But instead of addressing it right then, I wanted to wait and talk to Emma calmly later.

When I finally brought it up with her, she completely shut down and got defensive. She claimed I was “taking her mom’s side” and that I didn’t understand what it was like to grow up with someone who was “always in your business.” She said some really hurtful things and ended up storming out. After that, she basically cut off her mom entirely, except for the absolute bare minimum communication for holidays or family events. Laura’s heartbroken. I’m angry. It’s been a mess.

Fast forward to now, Emma’s getting married. She called me last week to ask if I would walk her down the aisle. But here’s the thing: I don’t feel right doing it when she’s treating her mother like this. Laura’s not even invited to the wedding—Emma said it would “make things too uncomfortable” if her mom were there. I told Emma that I can’t walk her down the aisle if she’s excluding her mom, who’s done nothing but love and support her all her life. I said that until she makes things right with her mom, I won’t be part of the wedding.

Emma was furious. She accused me of “choosing mom over her,” said I was “ruining her big day,” and claimed I was punishing her for being honest about her feelings. She’s now threatening to go no-contact with both of us, and I’m torn up inside. I love my daughter, but I can’t stand by and watch her treat her mother like this.

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Commenter 1: I think you need to find out what happened between your daughter and her mum a year and a half ago. This didn't come out of nowhere

Commenter 2: Did you ever find out what your daughter meant when she said her mom always tried to control her? I think that's the key to you understanding her reaction.

Commenter 3: You need to look at two possibilities, and fairly. Take love out of the equation here.

Either your wife was overbearing to your daughter and you completely ignored it or accepted it as normal, which is a strong possibility.

Or tom is the problem here and is isolating Emma from people she loves.

Now that seems less likely as it's not both of you that Emma is not speaking to, it's just your wife. If it was tom pulling the strings here, he'd have got her not speaking to both of you. Is Emma abandoning her friends? Another sign of abuse.

You need to consider here that your wife is the problem.

 

Update: September 26, 2024

I didn’t expect my post to get this much attention, and honestly, I’m still trying to process everything. Things have changed a bit since I first posted, and unfortunately, it’s not for the better. I tried reaching out to Emma again, hoping we could work things out, but what I found out has only made the situation worse.

Here’s what’s happened: I sat down with Emma to try and calmly explain how much this situation has been hurting her mom and me, but she wasn’t open to it. Instead, she told me she’s asked Tom’s mom to take on some of the important roles at the wedding that would normally be Laura’s—like helping her get ready on the morning of the wedding and giving a speech at the reception.

When I asked Emma why she didn’t want her mother there at all, she laid out a few specific reasons that, frankly, felt more like excuses. First, she said Laura has a tendency to “make everything about herself,” and she was worried Laura would “cause a scene” or try to take the spotlight. Emma brought up how, at her engagement party, Laura made several comments to the guests about how "hard it is to let go of your little girl" and kept trying to give a toast even though Emma and Tom had planned for only the best man and maid of honor to speak. Emma said she felt embarrassed and that it was one of the reasons she felt Laura would try to control things on the wedding day.

Emma also claimed Laura has a habit of “undermining” her decisions. For example, when Emma first started dating Tom, Laura expressed concerns that things were moving too fast, and Emma felt Laura was trying to influence her choice in partners. This is a sensitive topic for Emma because she feels Laura has never fully approved of Tom, and that tension would “ruin the day.”

Hearing all this was hard. Laura may not be perfect, but the idea that she would intentionally make Emma’s wedding about herself or try to sabotage the day is just unfair. She’s only ever wanted to be there for her daughter, and I know Laura’s been nothing but supportive, even when she’s had concerns about Tom.

When Emma told me that Tom’s mom, Sandra, would be filling these roles instead, my heart broke. Laura has dreamed of helping Emma on her wedding day since she was a little girl. Being uninvited was already devastating, but hearing that Tom’s mom is taking her place in these intimate moments feels like a complete betrayal. It’s not just that Laura’s being excluded—it’s that someone else is being given the role she should’ve had.

I tried telling Emma that this would only hurt her relationship with her mom further, but she doubled down, saying she needed people around her who “supported her decisions” and didn’t make her feel guilty. She’s convinced that Tom’s mom understands her better and is more “in tune” with who she is now. It was a gut punch to hear that, especially knowing how much Laura has always supported her.

As for walking her down the aisle—no, I haven’t changed my mind. I can’t be part of this wedding when Laura is being disrespected like this. It feels wrong to stand by Emma’s side while she’s doing this to her mother, who has only ever tried to be there for her.

I’m not sure where our family goes from here. Emma is now saying she might cut contact with us if we don’t respect her boundaries, and honestly, I’m heartbroken. I don’t want to lose my daughter, but I also can’t stand by and let her continue to treat her mom this way.

Thanks again for all the support. I’m still trying to make sense of everything, and I guess only time will tell how this plays out.

Relevant Comments

Commenter 1: Clarification: Laura brought up that Emma may be moving too quickly in her relationship with Tom. How quickly? When did they meet? When did they start dating? When did they get engaged? How fast are we talking here?

OOP: Emma and Tom met about three years ago, and things got serious pretty quickly. They started dating just a few weeks after meeting, and within about six months, they had moved in together. Laura expressed concerns at the time, feeling like it was all happening a bit fast, especially since Emma hadn’t been in many long-term relationships before. Then, around a year into their relationship, Tom proposed. So, from meeting to engagement, it was roughly a year and a half. I think Laura just wanted Emma to slow down and really get to know Tom before making such big life decisions, but Emma took it as her mom trying to control her.

Commenter 2: Surely you aren't paying for the wedding?

OOP: No, we’re not paying for the wedding. After the fallout between Emma and Laura, it didn’t feel right to contribute financially to an event that Laura isn’t even invited to. Emma and Tom have been handling the costs themselves, which I think has only added to the tension. If things were different, we would have been happy to help, but given the situation, it just doesn’t sit right with me.

Commenter 3: I'm glad your daughter finally found a family that seems to really care about her.

OOP: To suggest that Emma finally found a family that cares about her is completely unfair. Laura and I have always loved Emma deeply, and that’s exactly why this situation hurts so much. Laura is absolutely heartbroken—she’s been crying ever since Emma started pulling away, which has been going on for over a year now. It’s been devastating for both of us. Laura has always been there for Emma, supporting her in everything, so to be pushed aside like this is incredibly painful. We want nothing more than to rebuild our relationship with her, but the way she’s treating her mother is simply wrong.

 

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WAITAH for not believing my ex was faithful due to fake evidence?

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WAITAH for not believing my ex was faithful due to fake evidence?

Originally posted to r/AITAH

TRIGGER WARNING: accusations of infidelity, invasion of privacy

Original Post  Sept 11, 2024

So I broke up with my ex some years ago, and it was because I believed she was cheating with her ex.

There was just too much "evidence"

Her ex sent me screenshots of them sexting, including nudes. The screenshots were dated for some weeks ago (from that day).

When I confronted my ex about this she denied it, but I demanded to see her phone, and yep, they were there. Also, yes, we had been officially together by then. My gf swore up and down she had no idea those messages where there.

Those dates were around the time my gf was staying out, and I remember my gf not responding to my texts those days, and when I asked her what was going on, she said "It's none of your fucking business, I don't need to tell you where I am all the time"

Our relationship was rough during that time.

So with the texts and how rough our relationship was, I figured she was lying and broke up with her.

Fast forward, and her little brother, who is a troubled young man, called me. He's doing some sort of program where he is taking responsibility for a lot of hurt he caused.

He admitted he planted those messages because he hated me, and he liked my ex's ex more, and wanted them back together.

I reached out to my ex to apologize. Her brother told me he already spoke with her about this.

She hasn't responded to me yet, I don't know if she ever will, but that's fine.

Was I the asshole for this? I feel guilty for not believing her, but seeing those messages felt too real for me. I didn't even think they could have been faked.

RELEVANT COMMENTS

JoffreeBaratheon

NTA. If she has crazy people in her life trying to sabotage her relationships, that's still on her, not you. Also why are you assuming little brother is even telling the truth? Either multiple people conspired together to set this break up evidence up, which sounds farfetched, or little brother is full of shit and its a manipulative ploy from them to just try to stick it to you and/or clean up ex's image.

OOP

I mean, I knew he hated me back then. He wasn't subtle about it. He was also just a kid back then. He was 15.

It's been about 8 years since. And he seemed genuine.

Update  Sept 26, 2024

First post

My ex reached back out.

She said her brother had already talked about this to her. She's furious at her brother right now.

We chatted for a while, catching up and stuff. She has a kid now, but is single. Part of me wanted to ask her out, another part was hoping for her to ask me out. But with all the baggage we have now, it's hard to tell.

In the end, we did actually meet for coffee. We are both very different people now, so idk if we would even be a good match.

She said she forgives me for not believing her, and she said that if she had seen messages like that on my phone, she would have done the same.

I'm not really hoping for anything here, but it's been nice to reconnect with her at least.

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AITAH for kicking my brother out of my wedding for making my fiancé cry?

I am not the OOP. The OOP is u/Mounirab96 posting in r/AITAH

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Original - 20th September 2024

Update - 2nd October 2024

AITAH for kicking my brother out of my wedding for making my fiancé cry?

My wedding was this past weekend, and I’m honestly still in shock over what happened. My fiancé (now wife) and I have been together for 7 years. We’ve gone through everything together—moving in, job losses, her battle with anxiety, everything. So our wedding day was supposed to be our day to finally celebrate all that, right?

Well, it was—until my brother decided to ruin it.

For context, my brother (30M) has always had a weird thing about “pranks.” He calls them jokes, but honestly, they’ve always been mean-spirited and embarrassing. Growing up, I’d laugh it off or get mad, and he'd say I was being too sensitive. But this time, it went way too far.

During our reception, he got up to give a speech. I thought it would be nice—maybe he'd say something heartfelt for once. But no. Instead, he pulls out a fucking slideshow of "hilarious" photos of my wife—old ones from her Instagram where she’s crying, looking vulnerable, or just super unflattering. And he starts making jokes about her weight fluctuations, saying how she used to "look like a twig" when we first started dating and now she’s "more well-fed."

My wife’s face turned white. She started crying quietly, and my brother? He just kept going, laughing like he was the funniest guy on the planet. The whole room was dead silent.

I saw red. I stood up, walked right over to him, and told him to leave—right in the middle of his “speech.” I said he was done, and I didn't care if he was my brother. My wife was humiliated.

He tried to brush it off, saying I was ruining the fun and that “everyone else thought it was funny.” No one laughed. Not one person. He refused to leave at first, so I told security to get him out. He stormed out, calling me a "fucking drama queen" on the way out.

Now, my parents are furious with me for embarrassing my brother at "my own wedding." They think I overreacted, that I should have let it slide because "he didn’t mean it." My mom even said my wife was overreacting too and that this was all just part of his “sense of humor.”

My wife hasn’t stopped crying since. I told my family we're taking a break from them. But now my phone is blowing up with texts from my mom and dad, saying I’ve fractured the family and ruined my own wedding over a joke.

I get that I blew up, but I couldn’t stand seeing my wife so hurt. Did I go too far, AITAH?

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Acceptable-Wind-7332

Your brother really embarrassed your wife in what was meant to be a special day to celebrate you both. It sounds like he's got a lot of growing up to do and you are the first one to tell him so. Your wife is now a part of your family and your brother needs to realise that he has seriously messed up.

Your parents have probably been enabling your brother too. He needs to man up and apologise. NTA.

musicmammy

And now everyone knows what a complete asshole the brother is...someone has just got to tell the parents they've backed the wrong child.

ConstructionNo9678

I'd bet good money that "fractured the family" means that everyone else now thinks OP's brother (and possibly parents too) are weirdos for this whole situation. This wasn't a "prank," he curated a fucking slideshow and roast session for the wedding. It's even stranger because it was completely uneven. Why does he feel the need to pick on the bride over his own brother? Probably because he knew she'd give him the reaction he wanted, and he's an asshole.

**Judgement - NTA**

Update - 12 days later

Hey everyone, I posted here a little while ago about what went down at my wedding, and I just wanted to say thank you for all your comments and support. It’s been a rough week, but I figured I'd update everyone on what’s happened since then.

After kicking my brother out, I stuck to my word and told my family we were taking a break. I blocked my brother on everything, and my wife and I decided to focus on each other for the week, just trying to recapture some of the joy that was stolen from us on our big day. We went on a mini-honeymoon to a cabin we’d rented and tried to shut out the drama for a bit.

However, as soon as we got back, my parents showed up unannounced. They claimed they just wanted to “talk it out,” but the second they sat down, it was clear they were there to defend my brother. They kept repeating that I "overreacted" and that he was just trying to be funny. My mom even said, "You know how your brother is. He didn't mean to hurt anyone." I told them that whether he meant it or not, he did hurt my wife, and that’s not something I can just brush off.

My dad then hit me with, “Family is family. You don’t turn your back on blood,” and I honestly lost it. I told them that my family is the one I chose to build with my wife, and if they can't respect her, then they don't get to be a part of our lives. They left in a huff, saying that I was being manipulated and that my wife was “too sensitive.”

The day after that, my brother tried reaching out—through a mutual cousin this time—saying he "didn't mean any harm" and that he's willing to “forgive me” if I apologize for embarrassing him in front of everyone. This absolutely floored me. I realized in that moment that he still doesn’t see what he did as wrong. I haven’t responded, and I don’t plan to.

My wife and I have started couples therapy—not because there’s anything wrong between us but because I want to make sure that she feels supported and knows that I'm fully on her side. It’s been helping her process what happened, and I think it’s helping me realize just how toxic my brother's behavior has always been.

We’ve decided to have a small, private vow renewal next year—just us and a few close friends—to reclaim what that day was supposed to be for us. In the meantime, we’re focusing on our future together and cutting out anyone who doesn’t respect us as a couple.

So yeah, maybe I did fracture my family, but if my brother’s “jokes” are more important to them than my wife’s happiness, then I’m honestly okay with that.

Thank you again to everyone who reached out—it meant more than you know.

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faithful_neighbors

NTA as we said in your previous post, screw your family. You deserve a good life with ur wife OP.

JellicoAlpha_3_1

Mom, Dad, Brother...here is a bill for our wedding and the reception. Until I am reimbursed in full, I am going no contact with all 3 of you. And for the record, this is my decision. My wife wants to let all this go and move on. But I do not. You all have made excuses for brother's shitty immature behavior his entire life and now it's cost you one of your children. The 3 of you will pay for the wedding brother ruined...even if you have to mortgage your house and work until you are 80 to do it, or this will be the last time any of you see or hear from me.

NTAH

Holding them financially responsible doesn't mean you forgive them. it just gives you the ability to have wedding 2.0 without them.

JuWoolfie

I love this response for 3 reasons. Anytime they try to initiate contact you can reply “do you have my money? No? Ok, goodbye” The burden and terms of fixing the situation is clearly in their court. No ambiguity And 3. People who owe you money tend to avoid you… the problem solves itself

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[New Update]: AITA for refusing to hang out less with my brothers because of my stepsister?

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[New Update]: AITA for refusing to hang out less with my brothers because of my stepsister?

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Trigger Warnings: death of a loved one, bullying, theft, destruction of property, physical assault, possible stalking


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Original Post: August 13, 2024

I (18F) am the youngest of four siblings. I have three older brothers Michael (28M), John (27M), and Chris (25M). Our mother passed away when I was 8, and since then, my father (53M) and my brothers have been quite protective of me. I had father-daughter date nights with my dad and movie nights with my brothers, among other things. I think that was their way of making sure I didn’t feel lonely.

Last year, my father got married to Melissa (45F). She, with her daughter Ashley (18F) moved in with us. I always got the sense that Ashley didn’t like me. She would talk to my dad and my brothers but she never talked to me. Whenever I tried to talk to her, she would answer curtly and then walk away. I never understood why, or if I did something to her, but after a few weeks of trying to get along with her without success, I gave up. We were civil to each other and that was enough. My brothers were also on the fence about her. She keeps insisting to be invited to our movie nights, but she would always demand to see a movie she liked even if none of us liked it, and she kept trying to cuddle with my brothers which they find uncomfortable and weird because they don’t really know her. Chris actually told her to knock it off because he didn’t like that she was so touchy with him.

Recently I had my 18th birthday, It was fun and low-key and I got wonderful gifts.

The next day Ashley came to me and told me that it was unfair that my brothers’ gifts to me were better than their gifts to her for her birthday last June. For context my brothers EACH gave her a 200$ give card to different stores so she can buy what she liked, because they didn’t really know her. They gave her gifts to be civil. My brothers got me a personalized perfume, a signed copy of an entire book series that I’ve been obsessed about lately, and a personalized planner with messages and quotes on each page. I will admit that they put more thoughts into my gifts but I think it’s fair since they don’t really know her.

But then Ashley started crying saying that I always got everything and she got nothing and she then demanded I stop hanging out with them and said that if I didn’t hang out with my brothers so much, then they would pay more attention to her. She also wanted me to tell them to treat her like they treated me because she was also their sister now. I told her that I won’t force my brothers to do something they didn’t like. She insisted that I call my brothers right that moment, to tell them that I would hang out less with them and that they should get Ashley better gifts. I refused. Apparently she told her friends and cousins, because I've been getting messages from them telling me I'm a spoiled, selfish kid, so I'm second guessing myself.

So, AITA?

Verdict: Not the Asshole

Additional Information from OOP:

OOP: Hi! OP here! Thank you to everyone who commented and messaged me! I really appreciate it!

I can't reply to all the comments, but I just want to answer some of the questions that I read. The most common one was where was my dad in all this? Before this incident, I did not tell my dad anything, because I believed that there was nothing to tell. Ashley was curt with me, but I didn't expect her to immediately like me, and she did not bully me before this incident, so I just chalked it up to awkwardness since we were basically strangers.

Also as a mini update. I did talk to my dad and brothers. My dad was angry and shocked. My brothers were livid. I told them everything and showed them the screenshots on the messages. My dad hugged me and apologized that I had to go through this. My brothers wanted to come home immediately and confront Ashley, but my dad told them all to calm down. He said he wanted to talk to Melissa first and he and Melissa can talk to Ashley tomorrow, but he promised that we will all definitely sit down and talk about this.

I have a feeling things are gonna get messy when they talk with Ashley tomorrow, so wish me luck!

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Commenter #1: NTA. Why is your stepsister so concerned with having a good relationship with your brothers but not you? I find that behaviour so weird. I don't like to jump to conclusions but this need to get along with your brothers and being jealous of the relationship you have with them screams insecure to me.

Shes practically a stranger to all of you, over time the relationship between all of you should naturally develop but she cant be expected to be treated like a sister already especially when she is so cold towards you. I'm pretty sure your brothers pick up on that and it'll only make them like her less.

Your stepsis needs to back way off. I don't even want to start with the fact that she tried to cuddle with your brothers, thats a whole other story

Commenter #2: NTA

What the hell is wrong with Ashley?

She's acting weird and low-key creepy. Your brothers don't owe her any affection or gifts. Being jealous of their affection for you is weird. Trying to 'bond' with your adult stepbrothers by cuddling with them is weird.

Crying on your birthday and demanding that your brothers ditch you for her... is weird. Sounds like she's trying to take your place in your sibling dynamic. Or weirder, she has crushes on your brothers and is jealous that they're not paying attention to her. Whichever is still bad.

 

Update: August 17, 2024

Hello! Thank everyone who has commented and messaged me. Your suggestions and advices are really appreciated.

I did post it in the comments, but for those who didn't see it, I did tell my brothers and father about what Ashley did and my father said he would talk to Melissa first and they would talk to Ashley the next day.

The day after I told my dad, we all had a talk. Contrary to what we all thought, Ashley didn't even deny it. She just basically repeated what she told me (she sounds like a broken recording at this point). My dad told her that while he understands that she might feel excluded because my brothers and I were so close, demanding that I spend less time with my brothers and bullying me through her friends and relatives were so wrong.

Melissa started talking, apologizing for what Ashley did. She said she knows it was wrong but she was hoping that we all could forgive her because she's just having a hard time with the changes in her life. Michael pointed out that they did want a good relationship with her at first, but if this is how she was gonna treat me, she could just forget it.

All my brothers also opened up about how they were so uncomfortable with her trying to be so touchy with them. My father suggested therapy but Ashley refused and started screaming. At this point I think my father had enough and said that she should go to therapy and work out her issues or she wouldn't be living in his house. That shut us all up.

Melissa asked my dad if he was serious and he said yes. He said he loved her and he was concerned about Ashley, but he won't allow his daughter to be bullied in his own house. Ashley looked really shocked. She would be going to a local college and she planned to stay at home so she could save rent so this must have bothered her a lot. She started blaming me and started to walk towards me and tried to grab me, but all my brothers got between us. John coldly told her that while our father was trying to be kind, that he would do no such thing, and if she touched me, he would throw her in jail faster than she could blink. He's a lawyer, so Ashley knows that this was not an empty threat. She backed off and walked to her room and slammed the door.

The next day, Ashley went to therapy. I don't know if Melissa forced her or if she just didn't want to be kicked out, but oh well, at least she's going. She's been ignoring us this past few days, which is completely fine with me.

As for my brothers. The day Ashley started therapy, she also started texting them, playing the pity card, but they all blocked her.

As for me, I am doing very well. This whole fiasco kinda made us all forget that I'm going away to college in a few days and now my father and brothers are kind of acting frantic and in mother hen modes LOL.

I don't know if this was the update you all expected, this is a VERY summarized version and if you have more questions I'd be happy to answer them in the comments. Thank you all so much!

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Commenter #1: THANKS FOR THE UPDATE. Her behavior is very disturbing. She sounds like she might be a narcissist. I would read up on them, they are destructive and dangerous.

Commenter #2: I honestly don't think this will end well, she does NOT want to fix things, she is only going to therapy because she is forced to, not because she sees that her behavior is wrong, sooner or later she will explode against you for "stealing her family". Your father and siblings are on your side and that is the important thing, although your father is dragging out the divorce because he knows there is no solution.

 

AITA for getting my stepsister arrested after she stole my earrings?: September 6, 2024 (three weeks later)

For context I 18F, am the youngest of three siblings. I have three brothers, 28M, 27M, and 25M. Our mom passed away when I was 8. Last year my dad (53M) married Melissa (45F) and she and her daughter from a previous marriage, Ashley (18F) came to live with my dad and me.

Barely a month ago, I actually made a post here, because Ashley was hysterically forcing me to stop hanging out with my brothers because she wanted them to pay more attention to her. She blames me for everything and repeatedly told me that I was preventing her from bonding with my brothers. We all sat down and talked, Ashley went to therapy, and I went to college, but I know she still despises me.

Now to the current issue. A little bit over a month ago, I turned 18. My maternal grandparents gave me a family heirloom. It was a pair of diamond earrings. It used to belong to my mother, but since she was unable to give it to me, my grandmother held on to it until my 18th birthday. I keep it in a locked drawer in my room.

Yesterday Ashley and Melissa went to a wedding. I knew because Melissa made a Facebook post. I didn’t think much of it but in one of her posts, I saw Ashley wearing a pair of very familiar earrings. I know it’s bad to accuse people without proof, but I just immediately knew that those were my earrings. I called my dad and my brothers and informed them and went home. I called Melissa and told her about the situation, but she didn’t quite believe me because Ashley had told her that she borrowed the earrings from one of her friends.

When I got home, I saw that the drawer had been busted open and my earrings were gone. We checked the security camera in the hallway (I had one installed because of previous events), and it did show Ashley going into my room and then coming out a few minutes later. I was a bit frantic. My dad called Ashley and demanded that she returned my earrings. She denied it at first, but when he told her that we had video footage, she began to get defensive, saying that she just borrowed them and that I wasn’t using them anyway. She then blocked my dad and Melissa wasn’t answering her phone either.

I was debating whether to go to the wedding that instant, when my brothers, who were quite fed up with Ashley at this point, told me that we should go to the police station and file a report for theft. I was quite reluctant at first but then I remembered that those earrings were something my mother had left for me and she had taken it without asking permission. We went to the station and filed a report and showed them the security footage.

This morning, Ashley was taken to the police station for questioning.

Ashley and Melissa are still at the station, and I’ve been getting calls and texts from her relatives that I was dramatic and that I shamed their family because a lot of the guests who were staying at the hotel saw the police officers.

Verdict: Post removed before Verdict rendered

Comments

Commenter #1: NTA. Ashley is a nightmare and needs to learn there are consequences for theft. She stole from you. Tell any relatives that say you shamed the family by reporting the theft, that Ashley shamed the family by being a common thief. Tell them once and then block all communication. You should have a serious talk with Dad about whether or not he is going to allow Ashley to remain in the family home. Don't get talked into dropping charges. Please update when this concludes. I'm sorry you're going through this.

Commenter #2: NTA! How else were you supposed to resolve the issue when Ashley was blocking people and Melissa wasn’t answering her phone? Ashley is a thief and it didn’t sound like she or her mother were in a hurry to give back your earrings. Let’s not forget that Ashley literally broke a drawer to get your earrings. Do you at least have the earrings now? With Ashley’s behavior it’s easy to believe those earrings would’ve ended up missing and you would’ve never got them back without involving law enforcement.

Commenter #3: NTA she broke into a locked drawer to take them, lied about it and then blocked the calls. She stole from you something that was very important sentimentally. She is now experiencing the consequences of those actions. Maybe she will learn something from it but no matter what, you have clearly defined your boundaries which is important. Don’t let anyone guilt trip you about this.

 

Update: September 15, 2024

Hi everyone! It has been a few days since my last post. My original post got locked and I wasn’t gonna update, but I received so many message asking for one, and telling me I could post the update on my profile, so here it goes. A lot happened so to anyone still reading this, buckle up, this will be quite long.

First of all, the question everyone has been asking, yes, I did get my earrings back. They are now in a safer place.

Next, I don’t know all the specifics in the legal side of things, since my brother handled most of it but here are the details:

The earrings cost quite a bit (apparently my grandparents had it certified and they had all the documents), and so Ashley was in quite a bit of trouble.

(Some of you are going to say I’m making this up or I’m lying, but I don’t have a COMPLETE understanding of how the legal system works, so I’m mostly saying what my dad and brother explained to me.) I don’t know what happened, but because a) she had just turned 18, b)it was her first offense and c)the earrings were returned, she was given leniency and was given community service and had to pay a fine. This will also be on her record. This is alright with me to be honest. I wanted her to know that actions have consequences, but I don’t want to ruin her whole life. At least now she knows that she can’t just do whatever she wants.

My father, who was at the station, told me that Ashley was kicking and screaming the whole time, at first she stuck to her story that she borrowed it from her friend, but the police showed her the video evidence, and plus the fact that she could not name a “friend” whom she supposedly borrowed the earrings from. Also, the earrings were in a personalized engraved box, which she had with her. She also honest to god (as my dad said) tried to run away while the officers were talking to her and bit the officer that tried to stop her. So she had to spend the night at that little jail at the station until she apologized. I’ll be honest and say this entertained me a lot. Yes, it’s bad to laugh at other people’s misfortunes, but hey, I’m only human.

Melissa (Dad’s wife) told us that she was extremely disappointed in all of us. She said she knows that what Ashley did was in a grey area (her words), but that we could have waited until she returned it and not escalate things. My brother (the eldest) then asked her that if she didn’t want us to escalate things, then why did she end the call and stopped answering her phone that night. She had no answer to this and just keep repeatedly saying that we should make considerations for family. She even added that Ashley looked pretty in the earrings and that diamonds should be used and should not be just locked up in a drawer. This leads me to believe that she knew Ashley took my earrings from the very start, and just let it be. Sadly I have no way to prove this. My dad is divorcing her. They had a prenup, so I don’t think she’s getting much and I hope this will be settled quickly.

Ashley has been messaging me mean things, just her usual spiel. I did not block her but I don’t read the messages. We are planning to use this for a restraining order against her, since we all believe that she might try to contact us again.

As of now, they are out of the house. Melissa is still asking my dad to reconsider. Dad said that he can’t have a thief live in his house and that no matter what his children are his first priority, and he feels that Ashley is a danger to me and my brothers. Melissa tried to contact me and my brothers but we have all blocked her.

This has become quite a circus, and I sincerely hope that this whole thing is coming to an end. I hope this is my last post here.

Thank you so much to everyone who has commented and messaged me asking about my well-being. I truly appreciate it and I'm very thankful for all the advice and well wishes.

EDIT: I received a few messages asking if Ashley didn't know that there was a camera in the hallway. I don't know, but I never explicitly told her "Hey there is a security camera in here." But, they are in plain view and are not hidden and I don't see how anybody could mistake them for anything else?

A few people also asked why there was a security camera in the first place. A few years back, our neighborhood had multiple burglaries. During this time, I was often home alone from the time I got home from school to the time my dad would arrive from work. My father and brothers got a bit overprotective and had them installed. They were never taken down. After my first post in AITA, a lot of redditors messaged me and advised me to be cautious, because Ashley might try to steal something (well, they were right) so I double checked that they were working.

Thank you to everyone messaging me, asking about our well-being. And also thank you for all your advice. I truly appreciate it!

Comments

Commenter: I'm glad your father is divorcing Melissa and good on him for having signed a prenub that means Melissa would only get back what she brought into the marriage which is most likely her and Ashley's belongings also I would show your father and brother the messages you received from Ashley's side of the family to see if you can file a harassment lawsuit because they are definitely gonna up their harassment now that your father is divorcing Melissa also inform your college security about Melissa and Ashley just in case they try something their I also have a question where is Ashley's bio dad in all of this is he died or not in the picture if i was your family id look into the bio dad to see if Ashley behavior was always this crazy that could help you in this case sorry for the long comment your situation is insane their is something definitely wrong with Melissa Ashley's and their side of the family if they think this behavior is ok

Commenter: Hey! It seems like it's finally getting resolved, and hopefully, things will settle down. But I don't want to be the paranoid one here. I think this isn't over, and you should take some steps to protect yourself.

  1. Definitely tell friends and family the situation (make sure they don't tell Ashley or Melissa where you are. Especially for a "reconciliation")

  2. Lock down your social media for the time being

  3. Let your college know the situation and that they aren't allowed near you

  4. Share your location with family should anything happen

  5. I'm not sure if you're allowed pepper spray or if you want to carry one. There's little key/phone chains with a loud panic alarm attached that you could carry around with you if that's more comfortable.

  6. Know how to defend yourself

But anyways, these are just things to keep in mind. Ashley's behavior is absolutely unhinged, nor is it normal. It doesn't help that her mom keeps enabling her. There's been a lot of stories where the situation escalated! Please just stay safe and keep an eye open.

 


----NEW UPDATE----

Update #2: September 26, 2024

First of all, I want to thank everyone for all the support and the well-wishes. They are very heartwarming.

So I didn’t expect Ashley to suddenly change, but I had hoped that they would at least leave us alone. Spoiler, they didn’t.

I’m at university and these things didn’t happen to me but to my brothers. Just so anyone doesn’t get confused, my brothers are Michael (28M), John (27M), and Chris (25M). Just for context, Michael and Chris live in the same apartment complex (but in different apartments), while John lives in a different one, which is closer to his work. Both apartments have this system that you need an "elevator card". I don’t know what it’s called, but it’s a card given to the tenants so they can access the floor that their apartment is on. If you are a guest, you should either be given the card by the tenant, or your name should be left for the doorman so that they know to send you up.

A few days ago, Chris gets a call from the doorman, telling him, his sister had come to see him. He was confused, because he thought I was at school. He sends me a quick text asking where I am and I answer that I’m at university. He tells me to have fun and stops texting. I found out later via group chat that, of course, it was Ashley. Chris told the door man to NEVER send her up. He says she then left a message asking him to meet up because she wants to apologize. A few minutes later, John chats, informing us that the same thing happened to him, just later in the day. So we think Ashley might have gone to John’s apartment after she left from Chris’s. From my first post, a lot of redditors warned me to never let my brothers be alone with her because she might accuse them of sexual abuse. This truly frightened me and so, I remind my brothers again that even if they agree to meet her (which I still don’t think they should), they should not do it alone and they should definitely do it in a public place. They still haven’t agreed on what to do. John and Chris don't want to, but Michael was thinking that maybe this could be closure for Ashley? That maybe if they meet with her, this will be over and that she would finally leave us alone?

So to all of you still reading this, do you think they should meet with her?

 

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AITA for continue to wear makeup and dress in my normal style around a friend who thinks her husband has a crush on me?

My (29f) friend (31f) has told me that her husband (35m) has a crush on me and has recently told her that he fantasises over me. This already makes me feel very awkward but now she has asked if I can stop wearing makeup and wear baggy clothes around him.

We went out for dinner last night at a reasonably expensive restaurant with a few others (7 of us in total) and she text me when I got home saying she was angry at me for ‘looking hot’ after she asked me to not wear makeup. She’s my friend and I want to do the right thing but there’s nothing I could wear that is baggy that would have suited the restaurant we were in (Michelin star). My style is very conservative and I was wearing a very average dress with heels.

I’ve written out several responses ranging from an apology to being quite rude but wanted to sense check my thoughts here before I go back to her. I don’t want to make life difficult for her but what she’s asking for feels unreasonable. AITA?

Comments

CoverCharacter8179

Anyway, total NTA. For one thing, I don't think it's possible to dress appropriately for a nice restaurant without looking "hot" to someone who already finds you attractive. And more generally, as long as you're not hitting on the husband, or intentionally dressing provocatively to catch his attention (which it sounds like you're not), then this is a her problem, not a you problem.

Here's another point: why on earth did she tell you that her husband has the hots for you? Completely inappropriate, this is something to be handled within the marriage.

OOP: I’m not sure why she told me either, the first time she said it was ‘cute’ that he had a crush on me then she started getting a bit more detailed about it.

Every_Blueberry_6898

Here's what you write to her "Fixing your marriage is not my problem. Please seek marriage counselling instead of policing my clothes."

**Judgement - NTA**

Update - a few hours later

Edit 1: thank you so much for all of your responses. It’s 4.21am here in the UK so I will write out and send a response tomorrow and will update you all on here. Sorry I can’t respond to everyone; I didn’t expect so many responses.

Edit 2: While I was reading your responses, he just liked an old Instagram pic from way back (bikini pic!). He is now blocked.

FINAL UPDATE - Edit 3: I responded with the following: “Sorry it’s taken me a while to reply but I wanted to consider this properly and not react emotively. I’m sorry you feel that way but I don’t think it’s fair or reasonable to ask me to change how I look because of your husband.

My advice is to speak to (husband’s name) and work on your relationship because projecting your issues onto me isn’t going to help you, but it will damage our friendship. You have nothing to be insecure about; you’re the most beautiful person inside and out I’ve ever met. I’m here for you if you want to talk through it but ultimately I can’t help it if I’m smoking hot (just kidding). Xxx”.

5 mins after I pressed send she knocked on my door (she was already on her way) with a bunch of flowers and cried and gave me hug while apologising. She told me they were having problems and it was wrong of her to take it out on me. we’ve had a long chat and I’m going to be there to support my friend. Thank you all for your input; you all helped so much!!

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Enough-Pirate9448

NTA!!!! But the husband totally is!!!! I just saw the edit and I am so glad you guys were able to talk it out. I hope she finds someone better then someone like him

kcampn

Perfect response and good that your friend realized what she asked is not of your concern.

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TIFU by watch the Maury show with my dad

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TIFU by watch the Maury show with my dad

Thanks to u/soayherder + u/Direct-Caterpillar77 for suggesting this BoRU


Original Post: August 13, 2024

This was a week ago but the results are being felt now. I had the day off and my father was working from home. I was watching the Maury show when my father had came into my room to drop off folded clothes. He asked to watch with me so we moved to the living room to finish the episode.

They were talking about how both parents and 2 children had big ears, the test proved that the man was not the father. My father looked at my ears and noticed that mine were detached while his are attached. We probably watched the show for 3 hours. I later noticed that everyone else in my family has attached ears besides me. My father started looking at me more and acting distant. And almost completely ignoring my mother, if not just to argue.

Some context: I am the middle child, and have darker and straighter hair than my family. So in family pics I do stand out a bit. Not like a black sheep but a grey sheep.

He broke down yesterday and asked to take a DNA/ ancestry test. He had only bought two just for the both us. He has never cried in front of me so I took the test right away. He begged me not to tell my mother and that regardless of the results he will love me.

My parents were off and on until my birth. I also know I was a surprise baby and I am what brought my parents back together.

Again the most shocking thing is that my father never cries or is even emotional. To see him crying, sad, and actually scared has literally broke me.

TL;DR : My father is unsure if I am his actual child.

Relevant Comments

Apprehensive-Care20z: one shouldn't base life decisions on reruns of Maury Povitch.

OOP: I think that’s the most crazy part. To think of my parents splitting up because of the shows feels surreal.

 

TIFU Update: September 26, 2024

I am very sorry for the wait.

How ever the results are in.

He is my father.

The tension was massive in the house after the test were sent. It wasn’t intentional and my mother and younger brother were just clueless why. These past 2 weeks the tension has dropped and things have been getting better. The vibe is coming back essentially.

When we got the result my father told me he didn’t care about the results. And would only see them if I wanted to see them. I just said we have already waited this long, he assured me he would change regardless of the results.

The thing is, that we did our test on ancestry and right away it showed my father and my older brother. Monday, he came over, he asked why I tried ancestry in private, I just said I was curious on how much of a minority I was. He laughed and just walked away. I am not sure if he saw my dad on there or if my dad saw him. I didn’t see them or hear them talk about it either.

But why ask? Who cares at this point?

TL;DR my father watched the Maury show with and had concerns if I was his son. I am.

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OOP Added the following info

OOP: One thing I will add. I was the reason my parents got back together as they were splitting apart during that time. I understand my father’s concerns, and tbh I would’ve tested a while ago. Both my parents have had many different relationships with others. So one of them cheating during a break makes 100% sense to me. But atp who cares? The only people who knows about anything is my father and me. Who cares who is related to who? Who cares who knows what happened? As far I am concerned nothing has changed or will.

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Commenter: in the case of careful_release6685 you are the father

 

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[Series Finale] - I think my husband fathered his best friend's children

I am not the OOP. The OOP is u/PsychFactor posting in r/offmychest

Ongoing as per OOP

5 updates - Long

Update 5 - 19th September 2024

New Update

Update 6 - 29th September 2024

First BORU is here which has the first three parts to the BORU.

Second BORU is here which has the fourth and fifth parts of the BORU

Reddit posts have a 40k character limit, so I can't include them as well as the latest update

Summary of the previous five posts:

Original - 2nd September 2024

OOP is married to Luke who has a girl bff Amy who he claims is like a sister to him. Even after getting married Luke maintained a very close bond with Amy. OOP has 4 kids Sophie, (15) Owen, (12) Louise, (10) and Carter (6)

Amy has 4 kids Tom, (17) Kaylee, (14) and twins, Adam and Jenna, (9), but no-one know who the dad is and has never been in any long term relationships. All the kids have grown up together and are close.

OOP has begun to suspect that Luke has fathered at least one, if not all of Amy's kids. Amy stopped having kids after Luke had a vasectomy. The kids also look like Tom.

OOP has turned a blind eye for years, but know Tom wants to date Sophie. OOP is worried they are actually half-siblings and Tom and Amy also don't want it to happen.

Update - 5th September 2024

OOP doesn't try a sneaky DNA test, but confronts Luke and Amy who deny anything untoward and Amy refuses to have her kids DNA tested. Luke's mother also suspects something. OOP and Luke have a big fight and he spends the night at Amy's.

Update 2 - 6th September 2024

OOP confides in Sophie about what she suspects about Tom's real father and is surprised to find out that the kids already suspect this and the 'relationship' was actually a plan to get things out in the open and force the truth from Luke and Amy. OOP plans to move ahead with a divorce and try to get a DNA test done as well

Update 3 - 9th September 2024

OOP gathers more evidence about Luke and Amy's cheating and prepares to divorce him.

Update 4 - 12th September 2024

The test results come back and Tom and Sophie are not related.

Update 5 - 1 week later

Brief Update: I think my husband fathered my best friend's children. Hey guys. It’s been a rough week.

A lot has happened. I don’t really want to talk about all of it in detail so I’m going to keep this short. I know I never shut up, it’s just how I am, but I’m going to be much more brief this go around.

Luke has a lawyer now. I don’t know him. But he met with Zack and Paige. To everyone saying I should have Amy arrested, I probably could have if I had shown the police the video. Instead, I just sent it to my lawyer. Maybe this makes me foolish, but even now, I think part of me is still trying to protect people I once loved and go easy on them.

But everything’s been on hold for the past few days, because Jim had a heart attack.

I saw Luke and I saw Amy, and Amy’s kids, at the funeral. It was the first time we were all together since before all this happened. Nobody talked about what’s going on, short of Amy briefly apologizing for “what happened” before. She did seem sincere, I’ll give her that. But I wasn’t about to call her out anyway. Amy, Luke, and Cat all seemed pretty devastated. I was too. But we all agreed not to argue or talk about the divorce and to just let the day be a ceasefire to focus on Jim. Luke and I had a nice conversation about him.

I’ve been spending time with my kids and taking a couple of days off work. I have enough of them on the back burner. Luke also saw the kids, twice, before and after the funeral, with me present. It went well. At my direction, and Sophie’s, they didn’t mention Amy, and Luke didn’t try anything funny with any of them. I think he does miss them and hate that he can’t see them, thanks to all this.

The kids are also pretty upset about losing Grandpa, on top of not being able to see Dad as much as before. I don’t think any of them blame me but that’s far from the point, frankly. Carter slept in my bed the last three nights.

I’ll get more into this in the future when I have the energy to talk about what’s going on in more detail. But whoever suggested that Cat lied about the test results was correct. She never sent them in. She confessed as much to me. I guess she didn’t feel comfortable going behind her son’s back…but did feel comfortable lying to me to protect him? Until she didn’t, until she felt guilty, and she came clean. Under the circumstances, I am not angry with her, but I know better than to trust her anymore. As far as I know, she did not tell Luke about the test. But it means Tom could still be Luke's son. Probably is.

My lawyers finished going through Luke and Amy’s letters with a finer tooth comb. The bottom line is, they definitely found what it was that Amy didn’t want me to see, and I now completely understand why she was so panicked. It has to do with why Amy and Luke didn't marry conventionally. They did something very bad. But this is genuinely something that I’m not sure I should be talking about, even on an anonymous internet post. I haven’t even been able to collect my feelings about what Amy and Luke have done, especially with everything else going on, so I don’t know if I should be more explicit. I’m sorry, I know that’s not what anyone wanted to hear, but please try to understand. Paige agreed with me, that when in doubt, don’t post it. I’ve told my lawyers to put a pin in it for now because I’m in no fit state to figure out how to proceed with it or if I should use it against them.

I’m just feeling like shit, honestly. It’s difficult not to blame myself for Jim. I can only imagine Luke and Amy are blaming themselves too. I know they’re bad people. I don’t forgive them. But this tore them apart as it did me and I think all three of us feel like the divorce stressed Jim out to the point where it may have contributed. He already had heart disease. And in particular, I blame myself for showing him what I showed him. I showed him "proof" of the affair shortly before he died. I'll be carrying that with me for a very long time, even if I shouldn't.

I’ll update again whenever I do. I’m sorry. I’ll respond to comments as I can.

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deemie

Struggling to think of bad things a “couple” can do to prevent a conventional marriage

Technical_Spell3815

I’ve seen some posts of people guessing they’re half siblings. That’s the only thing I can think of.

Different_Dinner_510

after this post, i’m guessing they are half siblings as well. maybe MIL and FIL knew about it too. or maybe just FIL knew about it. because MIL had her suspicions as well but FIL was sort of in denial?

SaintGodfather

Would explain why MIL didn't send in DNA test. IF her son wasn't the father, they'd still show up as related, just at a lower %.

Ambutler5

Also explains why MIL and FIL helped Amy financially!

makeyousaywhut

And why Luke and Amy never intended to stop incest between the kids.

Large-Squash8379

More twists than a pretzel, larger character cast and more installments than any Reddit post I’ve ever seen… and the cliffhangers, lordy, the cliffhangers are worthy of Better Call Saul…

DoNotReply111

Yeah, look. I'm not one to usually jump on the fake train but the heart attack and funeral have me really second guessing here.

It's worse than Days of Our Lives now. Bet we will find out Amy is Jim's illegitimate daughter in the next one.

LadyPundit

Haha, a few of us (friends & I) guessed that either Cat or Jim would suddenly die.

Bonsuella_Banana

Yeah, this one was on our bingo cards too. But tbh, even if it's fake, I'm still fully invested haha

**New Update**

Update 6 - 10 days later

Hey everyone. This may very well be my last update for a while. I'm in therapy now, as are my children. (And, from what I hear, Amy's children are as well, so that's good.) So I should probably be focusing on healthier ways to expel my feelings. Nonetheless, I have talked to my therapist about these posts and according to her, venting anonymously online can be healthy, up to a point. If I do talk about my life again, I may do it in different sub-reddits or something, I'm still not sure.

I have also met with the Judge now. Many were worried about how these posts might come back to bite me in the ass, legally speaking. The short answer is that they won't. The long answer is that because they're anonymous, there's technically no risk of defamation or "slander." I've changed enough of the meaningless details and given everyone fake names. The posts aren't going to be relevant in the case, and I'm clear to keep writing them if I so choose, so long as I don't discuss the details of the actual case itself. Though I think the Judge would prefer I just stop writing these altogether, one of the reasons I may do so.

Without divulging the specifics, I went ahead and reported what I had learned, and all hell broke loose. I knew I had to do so, because Amy and Luke had changed gears after Jim passed. They began to make the case that Luke and I had always had an open marriage. That there could be no such thing as an affair, and any instances of Luke sleeping with Amy could not be counted against him. It is no accident that they chose to do this after we lost Jim. As far as I can tell, he was the only other person who knew about what Luke and Amy did, and would have done something about it. Now that they don't have to worry about that, I think they wanted to claim I always knew about the affair and that it was no true affair. When I didn't report them, they must have assumed I didn't know the truth, and they changed their story. But I knew. I reported it, and now they're fucked.

Which unfortunately means everyone else found out. There was no way the children wouldn't learn the truth through the grapevine. I told Sophie and Tom personally because I figured they would learn of it anyway. The others did. Tom was pretty shell shocked. I know I'm just the messenger, but I felt terrible and I wanted to comfort him, but there wasn't a whole lot I could do. Poor Kaylee did not handle it well. I'm told she had several meltdowns, and then tried to run away. I know she tried to run away because she came to our house for sanctuary. And literally, I had to give her back. I knew all the reasons I had to but I was sorely tempted to give the middle finger to all of them and let Kaylee stay with us against Amy's wishes. But no, I had to relinquish her and honestly...nothing has been harder than that was. I know it isn't my fault but I still feel like I betrayed her.

Sophie's also been dealing with a lot of anger toward her father, especially after he and Amy forced Kaylee to come back to stay with Amy again. All of this... It hit Sophie and Kaylee the hardest. Luke wanted to see Sophie again and she refused. She wouldn't come out of her room. Technically, I was supposed to let him see her, but she's fifteen years old. I told her to come out of her room, she wouldn't. So in my book, I tried. This was after Kaylee's incident so when Luke pressed me to force Sophie out of her room, I'm not proud to say I shouted at him to leave. My blood was boiling by that point. Throughout all this, my soon to be ex husband and his affair partner are still acting like I'm the bad guy.

Luke and Amy are angry with me, and that's putting it lightly. They have no right to be but they are, or at least they're acting angry. I now have a restraining order against Amy because I was quite certain she would confront me after the fact, and she did. After I reported them, and before Kaylee came over, Amy came to the house while my kids were home, banged on the door and screamed. She was furious with me for what I had done. But I don't know what she expected me to do. I called the police, but Amy was gone by the time they showed up. They were just as useless as last time, to be honest. When Kaylee came to me for asylum, Amy came after her, but I wouldn't let her in until she called the cops herself. I would only let one of them take Kaylee, Amy was not setting foot in my house. I was very clear to explain the situation but it didn't matter.

Amy later smeared me on social media and framed me as a kidnapper. I set the record straight without divulging too much about the circumstances of the situation, which I was tempted to do. Luke also gave me the lecture of a lifetime when I saw him, but I just kept cutting him off and spitting the facts in his face. I don't know if it's been my time away from him, but I'm learning to recognize his bullshit now where previously I fell for it every time. He always sounds so reasonable and sweet but what he's actually saying is often circular and evasive. Honestly, I am so angry with him for what he's done to his children, ALL of them. Kaylee especially. I want to adopt that girl. I know I can't, but I want to.

Cat and I had a long talk as well. So far as I can tell, she didn't know, and she's genuinely sorry for her earlier deception. Trust takes time to rebuild, but I also understand that she was in an awful position. But now that certain things have come to light, she's kind of in shambles herself, so I pity her. Not to mention, if Amy loses custody of her children, and she very well might, I'll need all the help I can get. I can't take all of them in, I don't have the space. Cat will need to do some of the leg work. So I'm trying to give her the chance to earn my trust back, sort of out of necessity. I can't speak to the long term but if all goes as it should, Luke's not even going to be getting visitation of my kids. We'll know soon enough though, and it will be on record, if Amy's children were fathered by him. All I know is, they've always been quite certain Kaylee was, though they never had her tested. So far as I can tell, Amy hasn't really been intimate with anyone other than Luke for a long time. For the record, Cat is still supporting Amy financially, and by that I mean, she's supporting Amy's kids. I don't mind that. If Amy loses custody, that all goes away anyway.

As to the how and why of Luke and Amy getting together? From the letters, I've put the pieces together as best I could. Amy was sexually abused as a child and Luke was apparently the only person she felt "safe" exploring her sexuality with when they were in high school. It was a very bad idea and they both knew the reason it was a very bad idea well before they made that choice. As to the lie about them being "surrogate siblings," apparently they always DID have that kind of relationship emotionally...but they also did this. After Tom was born (they also believe Tom to be theirs, going off the letters) the bond took on more romantic aspects as well. Amy describes Luke as "my person" and he says the same about her. I did read the letters in more depth for as much as it sickened me, I wanted to understand.

I'm doing better overall, though. Personally, I'm doing better. Which makes me feel kind of guilty because nobody else is. My kids are miserable, which makes me miserable, but I know there's light at the end of the tunnel and I want them to see it. Luke and Amy are miserable, which, honestly...I'm not gonna say I'm glad about, but, I don't know what they were expecting. They've been playing a monstrous game for decades, it was always going to have consequences sooner or later. Amy's kids are miserable, especially Kaylee. I wish I could reach out to her again, but I absolutely can't except through Tom, and he needs to play this carefully. Cat is miserable too. We're all still reeling from the loss of Jim, and honestly the Kaylee incident really tore my heart in half...but I think I'm over the hump and am taking comfort in how I'm actually choosing myself for a change.

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Flynn_JM

When you say report, did you call the cops or just tell everyone in your circle that you weren't in an open marriage and that they are sibs? Is Luke still with his mom or are him and Amy just shacking up at this point?

OOP: I went through legal channels, not social. As of now, he's staying with Amy. But I don't believe it's going well. Her children aren't happy with him. Or with her.

Flynn_JM

For those kids, this cannot get out to their peers or it is the end of any normal shot at a normal childhood. Luke should not be staying there at all! Basically screams incest city.

Do you think Amy keeps showing up bc Luke is trying to gain your forgiveness? She probably thought she finally got her man. How did people react to her social announcements about the open marriage and luke being her baby daddy?

OOP: She only made posts accusing me of kidnapping Kaylee and "lying" about her and Luke. Which caused a lot of commotion even after I cleared the air. Most people seem to believe me, or believe that it was a "misunderstanding."

As far as her claims of an open marriage, that was only the statement from Luke's lawyer, it's not widespread. At least not that I've seen.

Neither of them have confirmed the paternity of Amy's children. She's maintaining that they aren't Luke's, and even if they were, that's between the two of them, and no one else. DNA tests will sort that out, they'll sort everything out. As to my reporting, she and Luke are maintaining that they don't know anything about what I accused them of. But I have proof that they did know.

Flynn_JM

Wow so she alluded to the incest in her post by saying your lying about a bet provable thing? She's going to be in for a huge shock. Honestly, this seems like a possible self harm situation developing.I know Amy doesn't work, but is this affecting Luke's employment at all? You say Cat is supporting Amy, where is Luke's money going?

OOP: They both work, and so far as I know, it hasn't affected their employment.

Flynn_JM

This level of stress must make their work performance diminish I would think. Why have you been giving Amy money over the years if she works?

OOP: Her job wasn't enough to support her family on it's own. And I thought she was my dear friend.

Flynn_JM

Not to be rude to anyone, including Amy, but if her job couldn't support her and her kids and she has you, Cat, Jim and Luke giving her cash.... why is she working?

OOP: This is why I always insisted she wasn't a leech, that she was trying, whenever anyone would ask over the years.

Umbreonth

I wondered if Jim's passing would embolden Luke and Amy. Well, at least now we know why they weren't super alarmed at the possibility of Tom and Sophie hooking up. So sorry for all of your losses, I hope the kids can recover in time.

LongShotE81

I've been following this since the first post, but I think I may have missed something. What actually happened? Why couldn't/didn't Amy and Luke just be together and be a normal couple?

Mazikeensia

Op didn't say it herself but it was guessed that Amy and Luke were half siblings or somehow related to each other

OOP clarifies in a later comment

Luke and Amy having children together at all, is grounds for those children being taken. Because Luke and Amy are siblings.

Fuck it. Everyone figured it out anyway.

ElectricMilk426

I feel like I missed something. Did we find out that Amy was Jim's affair child? And with whom? How are Luke and Amy related by blood. Sorry I just can't remember and it gets a little tough coming in late and the updates.

OOP: Amy's mother was one of Jim's students. (He was a Professor.) Luke and Amy are half siblings.

SeaworthinessFun3703

The sad thing is Luke kept this hidden from his mom. I assume Cat didn’t know Amy was his affair child.

OOP: She was totally clueless about that part.

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The meme train briefly screeches to a halt in /r/thomastheplankengine after a mod removes a wildly upvoted meme dream due to ‘low effort’.

The subreddit, r/thomastheplankengine, despite the title being a nod to the children’s toy and book character, Thomas the Tank Engine, is a meme subreddit based on users’ dreams.

The description says the following:

Recreate memes you've seen in your dreams (we call them "Planks") and possibly the context behind them. Commenters will try to decipher their meanings!

The Post

In classic dream fashion, a user posts their meme dream about President Biden and D.B Cooper. Wikipedia defines D.B. Cooper’s infamous plane jacking incident if you want to read the details, but in short, after hijacking a plane and parachuting out of it on November 24, 1971, he was never found or identified.

The user’s post:

Had a dream where Trump was spreading a rumor that Biden was D.B. Cooper, but as a result Biden's approval rating skyrocketed

[image of an artist’s rendition of D.B. Cooper on the left, and a photograph of Joe Biden on the right]

This meme dream exploded in popularity, fast. I’m unsure exactly how many upvotes it had when it was removed, but it was somewhere between 23k-28k upvotes, which would have made it the 2nd or 3rd most popular dream of all time on the subreddit.

The Dream Drama

When the mod removed the post, they did not provide a reason why. This angered the meme dreamers, who began to post meta dreams about the removal, which also got removed by the mods without specific reasons.

Meme dream Meta:

I had a dream that some random post became the 3rd most upvoted post on this subreddit in a day then got deleted by the mods. I then made a post asking about where the post went.

[Image of a SS of the original meme dream, and this user’s SS of their first post which got removed, titled, ‘NOT A PLANK: where the fuck did this post go???’]

Several users shared they were in the meme dream:

2nd most upvoted post, actually. I was in that dream too.

can confirm i was upvote 1,624

This is the weirdest dream ever

The above post gets removed, so the user goes deeper into the meta posting by making a new post with a screenshot of the previous post’s removal, not once, but twice.

I’m sure there were other users who posted meta posts, but I can’t specifically find them.

Mods make a statement

A very pointed meta post gets popular:

I had a dream that someone posted about Trump accusing Biden of being D.B. Cooper and that it became the 3rd most upvoted post on this sub overnight. Then the mods removed it because of "low effort" even though a lot of posts on this sub are much more lower in quality and aren't deleted.

Following the removal some people posted asking where it's gone and the mods deleted those posts as well even though meta posts are allowed. This is in reference to the fact that Reddit mods are pussies and can't take criticism.

The mod’s stickied reply:

Hi,

I was the one who removed the post (D:). I didn't remove any comments, but I did remove the handful of Meta posts about this since we don't need the whole subreddit feed to be flooded with this, but I'll keep this one up for discussion.

First of all, sorry about not posting a removal reason message; I am responsible for the vast majority of mod actions so I just have a lot to get through when I have free time. I've been meaning to open some mod positions, but again I just need to find the time to set that up and go through applications. But if your post is ever removed you can always send the mods a message and I'll definitely see it then and give more info!

Ok, so the post was removed for low effort, yes, as it says in our rules:

If you're looking for a place to post about your dreams, try r/dreams. This subreddit is for memes that you have seen in dreams, not just sharing your dreams. Low effort posts will be removed.

Obviously that can be a little vague (helps us keep things a bit flexible), but in general we try to remove any easy stuff like stock images or stuff you can just grab off of Google. This post was simply just 2 images that would have fit better on r/dreams, this is not a meme nor is it a meme about the dream.

We've had discussions about what consitutes a "meme" for as long as this subreddit has existed, but still share your opinion! We've also had votes on what kind of posts to allow, and back then the consensus was pretty much what we have now: Allow Recreated Dreams (memes that are about dreams) but remove low effort posts.

And I know what you're thinking: "but there are other posts that are just as low effort!" Obviously the mods aren't perfect, so maybe some slip through the cracks. But I rely pretty much entirely on user reports, so if you see a post that doesn't belong here then please report it!!

Again, I'll leave this post up so we can have a civil discussion about this, but again, civil. Calling mods names and not actually contributing anything constructive probably won't get you anywhere :)

Thanks!

Edit: Oh yeah and I actually removed it because I am D.B. Cooper, don't tell anyone

Criticism starts with this user, who questions the reason for allowing posts about dream recreating:

If that's the case, why do we even have the "dream recreation" flair, which is often used for posts about dreams?

Mod: That was pretty much the main point of the vote we had; some people were worried that only allowing True Planks (memes seen in dreams) was too specific and hurt the sub's growth, while others didn't want to just allow any kind of dream-related post and lose the whole point of the subreddit. So this was a kind of middle ground [downvoted]

Another user gave up trying to read the mod’s long post:

Not even gonna read the whole thing, but I do appreciate you for taking the time to explain. W mod

L mod

Ah yes, no bigger L than calmly explaining your rationale and asking people to be civil.

Singular takes:

I ain't reading all that bro. Don't delete shit like this

I don't give a shit if it's not a meme, I just wanna hear weird and funny dreams that people have.

I will not be civil I'm going to spread a rumour that you fuck pencil sharpeners

This user’s comment spawns a bit of a debate chain:

who gives a shit if a post is low effort or not. it's funny

Lastly, this user thinks the sub has lost its meaning:

tbh i agree, most people have been misusing this sub for ages now. It should be memes in your dreams, not memes about your dreams. Almost everyone in these comments are in the wrong.

Thread with Mod reply here

Reminder not to comment in these meme dreams!

Edit: formatting


AITH for not wanting to attend my bff’s house warming party.
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AITH for not wanting to attend my bff’s house warming party.

My best friend just bought a new house with her husband. they are planning a house warming party and at first I was super excited to attend but my bff told me they are inviting ‘Paul’; Paul is my bff husbands best friend. In the past Paul and I have been interested in each other but it has never been the right time either I was taken or he was. well as of rn Paul has a gf but there has been many many times where he drunk calls me or even tells my bff and her husband that he is unhappy in his relationship and would rather be with me. Since I still have feelings for Paul I have kept my distance cuz he is in a relationship. I don’t want to go to the party because he will be there with his gf and I know the stuff he has said to me and the bad stuff he has said about his gf. my best friend knows the past me and Paul have had but told me I NEED to go to the party even tho I told her it will make me uncomfortable. AITH for not wanting to go?


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My fiancé assaulted his bff on his bachelor party (New Update)

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My finance assaulted his bff on his bachelor party

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TRIGGER WARNING: sexual assault, rape, infidelity

Original Post  Sept 8, 2024

I don’t know what to do. My (f28) finance ( m28) Alex has a bff ( Dani 28) since they were 4. She’s not like the usual Reddit bff. She’s a lovely sweet person who has never crossed boundaries with Alex or their two other friends Marcus and Daniel. The four are very close. Dani is gay and always was. She is very much a woman but likes to dress in jeans and t shirts and not in any feminine clothing. She is lean tall has short hair and  is just one of the boys in a lot of ways. 

This weekend was Alex Bachelor party. All four plus two other of Alex friends went along. It was to a costal town that’s well know for hosting bachelor and bachelorette parties but there’s no strip club or anything. They stayed in a b&b and have scuba diving and kayaking planned. First night went ok dinner restaurant and night club and home. Last night was the issue. They did the nightclub and headed back to the house. Marcus and Daniel who are both single brought back two girls from the nightclub and got busy in their bedrooms. The rest were drinking in the living room but things got a bit loud and the two friends started complaining that they didn’t get to go to a strip club and never got to see t*ts and ass. They were blaming their wives and calling them names. Dani told them to shush as it was ruining the mood and they both thought it would be funny if they saw Dani’s body naked to make up for it. The thing is Alex joined in and they stripped her. She was screaming loudly and Marcus and Daniel came running and rescued Dani and put her in the a bedroom with the girls and had a fight with the three men. Daniel doesn’t drink due to a chronic medical condition and the medication he is on. So they packed up and took Dani and the two girls and left the other three. Dani was hysterical and Marcus wanted her to go to the police but she wouldn’t. She was afraid to go home so they ended up dropping the girls off and taking Dani to her parents which was an hour away.

Marcus was at my door at 7am this morning and he told me what happened that if he ever sees Alex again he’s afraid of how things could go. He told me that if he can convince Dani to press charges he will . Then he left .

Alex returned about 3 this afternoon. He was a ting normally until I told him Marcus has visited. He was very nervous and tried to play down what happened as a joke that got out of hand. I’m devastated. I heard him out but he knew I wasn’t accepting what he was saying. I told him Dani may be going to the police and he got very panicked and pale. He said she had him blocked and he wanted to go talk to her. I told him she wasn’t at her place as she was too afraid he or his “ buddies” would turn up there. I asked him to leave and he didn’t want to go but I insisted. He was crying saying it was a prank that got out of hand.  

I heard him out only as a courtesy to our two year relationship but I’m done. I don’t know this man. I don’t know if I should reach out to Dani or just do nothing. Marcus and I have been in constant contact and he agrees that I have no option but to end things. I don’t know where to start with cancelling everything as the wedding was in 5 weeks but it seems trivial compared to what Dani is going through right now. Marcus is convinced that Dani is going to the police after talking to her parents so I think Alex is in trouble. I can’t support him on this. Maybe I’m wrong as he was drunk and probably had taken other things but this was his friend from age 4 and he did this to her. I’ve not blocked Alex but I’ve not replied or picked up any of his calls.

Update  Sept 9, 2024

Sorry I don’t know how to do updates so posting this separately.

It’s been a terrible day. I can’t reach out to my friends yet as I’m ashamed. I did tell my parents and my brother and they have been wonderful. My brother brought his friend with him when he came to stay and today both of them packed up every bit of my exes stuff and took it to his parents house. Ex was there and just asked if that meant I was finished with him and my brother said yes and did he really expect any other reaction? His father intervened and told ex not to say anything more. He told my brother to tell me to contact him on cancelling the wedding. I’m not contacting his father ever!

My parents are handling cancelling the wedding and my father got in to my cousin who is a lawyer and he is going to help and advise me as needed. I’ve to disentangle myself from ex on leases bank accounts savings and such although my brother made me transfer all of my money from joint accounts savings and daily accounts to my own account. It’s a mess .

I tried to ring Dani but she isn’t up for speaking to anyone so I just text her that I was there for her and that I had broken up with Alex. She hasn’t replied and I don’t expect she will. She’s in a bad way apparently.  

Daniel  spent three hours with me today. There’s a lot going on but I’m afraid to say too much for fear of damaging any court case.  Just to say there are two videos of the “incident” . One by Jeb (one of the two friends) a lot of it is chaotic but the last part is clear and telling apparently. The owners of the rental house apparently have gotten involved and have footage but I can’t say more.

When Marcus left me he went to both those guys wives and told them what happened. Jebs wife has been “ very helpful” apparently and she has split from him.   The other guys wife too has left him.

Things are going how most of you want them to go that’s all I will say . Well I will add it was worse than what Marcus shared .

Daniel told me that before Dani found her style she had long hair and dressed feminine and was stunningly beautiful and all three of them were in love with her as teens. Alex took her rejection very personally apparently and Daniel says he was angry and bitter for a couple of years but hid it from her. The thought he had gotten over it but Daniel feels this smacks of revenge against her. Scary if this is true. I have and continue to receive hundreds of texts from Alex. He told me his father told him to stop texting me but he can’t. I haven’t replied or blocked based on “ advice”.  This is very hard and I don’t know what way all this is going to end up. Sorry about any mistakes and typos I’m not doing well. If there’s more I will post again if I’m able.

Update 2  Sept 12, 2024

Update 2 my fiancé assaulted his Bff on his bachelor party

Hi all my last update my removed but if anyone is interested I thought I’d post the latest and get some advice.

I got a call from Dani. Daniel has been ever present and I’m guessing it was because he knew she was going to call. There’s a lot more to the story.

The first night was normal as I said but in the Saturday Alex Jeb and their friend decided not to go scuba diving with Dani Daniel and Marcus.  Dani was feeling very hungover and gave up after an hour and went back to the airb&b. She walked into the living room to find all three guys engaging in sexual acts with two women. Jeb shouted at her to get out as this was costing them a fortune. The women were escorts.

She left and went back to the boat and only told Marcus what she saw. When they all went back later Alex told her to not tell me as it was just his last bit of freedom. She told him she was disgusted with him and that he wasn’t free. She told him she would have to think about what to do. Marcus convinced her to stay another night as he and Daniel had met the two girls the night before and were seeing them again that night and if Dani wanted to leave then Daniel would have to take her as he was her ride and there wasn’t public transport in the tiny town.

So Alex cheated as did the other two. Marcus told their wives that morning but not me. He was going to do it in stages as he knew I was in shock. The actual assault went further than Marcus told me also. And while Alex hadn’t actually done anything beyond pulling off her clothes ( unlike the other two ) he stood by and watched and did nothing to help her. She said she thought he had taken shrooms  earlier but couldn’t be sure. Marcus and Daniel did rescue her but things had already escalated.

She went to the police immediately she got to her parents. The Airbnb owners had also gone independently when they saw the footage. All three men are facing the consequences of their actions. Dani told me she was sorry she didn’t leave  tell me immediately like she wanted to do. She is very distraught still I didn’t want to make things worse for her.

I don’t think I am needed for any legal proceedings so I finally blocked Alex and his parents. The wedding is cancelled. And I’m just starting to disentangle myself from Alex on bank accounts and such.

Here’s my issue. I’m feeling very angry towards Marcus. It feels like he didn’t really care about me. He stopped Dani from telling me so he could continue to shack up with the girl he met. He apparently feels guilty because if they had left Dani would not have been attacked. He didn’t do me the courtesy  of telling me that Alex cheated that morning like he did with the other two wives . It’s not like he was sparing my feelings because my ex assaulting another woman was a pretty damn bad thing to hear. He didn’t tell me the full extent of the attack. Dani is still unsure if Alex wasn’t just “waiting his turn” or he all he was going to do was watch. I should have been told that asap. And not from Dani because the conversation was incredibly difficult for her. Daniel didn’t know about the escorts at all and didn’t know Marcus hasn’t shared the full story of what they saw when they burst in. Daniel has been my rock.  I need some perspective here. Is it ok  to be angry at Marcus? Is it misplaced anger? I’m pretty angry at Alex though and that’s all I feel towards him. Can anyone give me a different perspective im missing? Marcus and I had been in constant contact. He’s already back at work so it was messages /texts and occasional calls. He actually visited last night but I didn’t open the door to him.  Daniel is saying whatever I feel right now is ok. But I think he’s just placating me. I don’t know who to trust anymore.

I don’t have to have any more contact with Alex and think the case will move along without me. I’m thinking of telling Daniel that I need a break from him and Marcus and that group of friends. Dani and I have said we will stay in touch but I can’t see us being very close. My best friend who I finally confided in thinks I should just step away from them all now for good and try to move forward. My parents agree and think it’s necessary for healing. My brother thinks Daniel has been nothing but great and I shouldn’t cut him off.  But they all seem to be a package deal but without Alex now obviously. So I think it’s probably all or nothing. What should I do? I don’t want to be ungrateful but a clean break feels right.

NEW UPDATE

update 3  Sept 23, 2024

I’ve been putting off writing this update but am back because I need even more advice and an outside perspective. The comments have been pretty helpful so far. Thank you.  It’s long but I’ll do my best to shorten it. …trigger warnings for SA drugs violence

First of all Dani and I have bonded. She and I talk every day and message constantly. I didn’t expect that but it’s truly wonderful. She says she needs a good straight friend right now (jk) and honestly she is a great person and has been a huge support to me despite what she has been going through. I told her I posted here as I felt guilty as to tell my story I had to tell hers. She was ok with it. She is thinking of waiving her right to anonymity when the trial comes as she wants everyone to know she was raped and by who. Dani has quit her job moved to her parents full time and is in therapy. She’s just about ok. Surviving still rather than living but she is so strong and amazing.

Justice moves slowly here so there isn’t too much of an update on the legal process. Marcus was told however  he would not face charges for assault for attacking the two actively attacking Dani.

I went back to work and it was awful. I work for a tiny start up. Oscar who works there is friendly with Marcus and my brother. We are all into martial arts and attend the same Dojo. So I’m getting a lot pity. I’d have been ok with sympathy or empathy but being pitied sucks. Still it’s better than being home all day doing nothing.

Daniel gave me space as I asked and he is truly a good guy. There is nothing romantic there at all though. I’m not in a fit state for anything like that and won’t be for a very very long time  and he is just a good guy. No ulterior motives. We text a bit and he is in a lot of contact with Dani.

I got a letter in the mail  from Alex. Said he held out hope while I hadn’t blocked him but once I did he was distraught. He told me he doesn’t want to freak me out by turning up in person and I know that wouldn’t look good for him anyway but he just wanted to tell his side of the story. He said he was pressured into doing stuff with the escorts and he “only” got a bj. The other two were really pressuring him to do more but he didn’t and says he regrets even doing that. He admits he was angry at Dani because she told him he either told me about the cheating or she would but he knew he was totally in the wrong. He knew I would dump him for cheating so he took everything he could get his hands on. He’s not even sure what he took and while he remembers pulling off Dani’s shoes he doesn’t remember anything else.

So he was just peered pressured and drunk and drugged up and he did nothing wrong at all basically . I was just disgusted to read this. His total lack of accountability is just sickening! I’m not responding to him ever. Any future mail goes unopened into the trash. I’m in therapy but it’s early days and it’s m not seeing progress yet.

That’s leaves me with Marcus. He knows I’ve been angry with him and he is desperate to talk it out. I probably feel too much anger towards him but find it hard not to. He is still feeling very guilty over making Dani stay. I don’t understand why I feel so angry towards him. It’s not on the level of anger I feel towards Alex by any means but I’m still hesitant to talk to him. I think he made mistakes but in my heart I know he was dealing with a lot that morning but I just wouldn’t have been there when Alex got home if I had known the truth. I feel Marcus should have told me everything as I was the one who had to face Alex alone. I know I should hear him out but am finding it very hard. How can I get past this? I want to clear the air with him even if we are never friends and me cutting him out is really having a terrible effect on him. I know he rescued Dani and has been constantly checking up on her. I know he can be a good guy but part of me feels he wasn’t all good that weekend. I don’t know! I haven’t touched this in therapy as we are just starting and are talking about Alex. I need advice on how to deal with this . I wanted to give it some time but Marcus mental health is pretty poor and maybe by not meeting him I am just making him worse? How can I find it in me to just bite the bullet and hear him out? Why am I so angry with him? How can I move past this? I don’t want to be angry at him. I’m so exhausted from being angry at him and at Alex and I want it to stop , at least towards Marcus . But it won’t! Help!

I’m visiting Dani for the weekend that should have been my wedding. We are going to have a LOTRs marathon and her mother is making a cheesecake. My own family have been wonderful in every way but Dani is truly why I’m still standing.

EDIT: forgot to say it wasn’t an Air bnb. It was just a privately rented house. I just assumed incorrectly it was.

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