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    The Sure Thing

    The untold story of how two university friends hatched the perfect crime only to be undone by the desire for more. The Sure Thing is a limited edition podcast hosted by Angus Grigg, taking you inside Australia’s biggest insider trading case.

    Hosted by

    Angus Grigg

    Investigative reporter & Walkley Award winner

    Angus Grigg

    Produced by

    Lap Phan

    Podcast Producer & Actor

    Lap Phan

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    Latest Episode

    The creators of The Sure Thing podcast, Lap Phan (left) and Angus Grigg.

    AFR wins an Australian Podcast award

    The Australian Financial Review has won Best Documentary podcast at the 2021 Australian Podcast Awards for The Sure Thing.

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    Let’s be ‘smarter’ not ‘harder’ on white collar crime

    It is a myth that judges go easy on white collar offenders, and long jail sentences are not always the answer for white collar crime, argues Clinton Free, who featured in The Sure Thing podcast.

    • Clinton Free

    Listen now: The Sure Thing episode 7

    A potential new role for Christopher Hill is discussed during a bonus episode of podcast.

    • Angus Grigg and Lap Phan

    Background

    The timeline of how it happened

    Here’s a timeline of key events that unfold in the podcast starting in 2007 when a young Chris Hill met fellow commerce student Lukas Kamay at Monash University.

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    • Angus Grigg and Lap Phan

    The cast of characters

    We have tracked down the key players involved in Australia’s biggest insider trading case. Here’s some background on the main characters you will hear on the podcast.

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    • Angus Grigg and Lap Phan

    April 2021

    Joel Murphy - founder of EightCap.

    ‘I probably felt a tinge of guilt’: Insider trader given second chance

    Christopher Hill has been offered a role by the foreign exchange broker who reported him to authorities thanks to his honesty during The Sure Thing podcast.

    • Angus Grigg

    Bonus episode

    Join us on April 12 for episode 7 when one of the players comes forward with an offer Chris will find hard to refuse.

    March 2021

    The Sure Thing and other limited series podcasts should probably be called “audio documentaries”, as this better reflects the production time and bodies involved.

    Sure Thing ‘drip feed’ wasn’t to create buzz

    It’s not just two blokes on the couch. The Financial Review’s The Sure Thing has taken a team of people at least three weeks to produce each episode.

    • Angus Grigg and Lap Phan
    Chris Hill, speaking publicly for the first time on The Sure Thing, a Financial Review podcast.

    Insider trader feared he killed an inmate in prison brawl

    Christopher Hill saw constant violence during his time in prison and on one occasion was forced to fight back.

    • Angus Grigg
    Adam Fendyk, president of the Beechworth Bushrangers Football Club.

    Insider trader Kamay a ‘solid’ prison footy player

    Country footy team Beechworth Bushrangers turned to the local prison in 2014 in a partnership that not only saved the club but has changed attitudes to inmates.

    • Angus Grigg
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    Listen now: The Sure Thing episode 6

    Chistoper Hill describes the near constant violence and tension of prison life in episode six of The Sure Thing podcast.

    Christopher Hill says deeper relationships between team members would help prevent fraud.

    How to prevent fraud on your watch

    It is estimated to account for 40 per cent of total crime costs in Australia but the figure could be higher given that a lot of it goes undetected.  

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    Lukas Kamay outside the Melbourne County Court in August 2014.

    ‘I have absolutely no doubt he was planning to do this’

    A source has revealed Lukas Kamay talked about insider trading on the currency market years before teaming up with his university friend Christopher Hill.

    • Angus Grigg

    Listen now: The Sure Thing episode 5

    As a commerce student, Lukas Kamay was fixated on the lightly regulated currency markets and saw them as vulnerable to insider trading.

    Coming: New developments in The Sure Thing

    Lukas Kamay’s scheming about the market may have started well before he embarked on the scheme that is the subject of The Sure Thing. Join us for episode five at 6am on Monday March 22.

    • Angus Grigg and Lap Phan

    Listen now: The Sure Thing episode 4

    Chris Hill understood the scale of Lukas Kamay’s insider trading only two days after his arrest. New episodes every Monday 6am.

    Chris Hill, speaking publicly for the first time on The Sure Thing, a Financial Review podcast.

    ‘You’re famous now’: the moment Chris Hill learnt of betrayal

    It was only when he heard of a $7 million figure that Hill, who was in a police car after being arrested, realised the scale of the conspiracy he’d been plunged into.

    • Angus Grigg

    Listen now: The Sure Thing episode 3

    In one trade, Lukas Kamay took out more than $450 million of exposure to the Australian dollar and the police had no idea how to catch Kamay and his accomplice, Christopher Hill. New episodes every Monday 6am.

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    The Sure Thing podcast host Angus Grigg
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    The Sure Thing podcast host Angus Grigg

    Angus Grigg and the University of Sydney's professor Clinton Free on white-collar crime and the making of The Sure Thing podcast at the AFR Business Summit.

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    Businessman hand cuffed, close-up toned image

    How white-collar criminals sleep easy at night

    A researcher who has spent the past decade in prisons across the US and Australia says there are four main ways white-collar criminals justify their actions.

    • Clinton Free
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    <i>The Block</i>'s Alisa and Lysandra.

    Insider trader paid for $2.4m Block apartment with 25-minute trade

    Lukas Kamay paid $2.375 million for an apartment from TV show The Block with a single trade that took just 25 minutes, while taunting police as they struggled to catch him.

    • Angus Grigg

    Listen now: The Sure Thing episode 2

    Lukas Kamay used yet-to-be released government economic data to place bets in the foreign exchange market, turning $10,000 into $7.8 million. New episodes every Monday 6am.

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    • Angus Grigg and Lap Phan

    ABS insider trader was ‘susceptible to blackmail’

    Chris Hill failed an Australian government psychological evaluation before he began passing confidential information to his university friend, Lukas Kamay.

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    • Angus Grigg

    February 2021

    Revealed: the raid that set off Australia’s biggest insider-trading case

    Fifteen officers, two sniffer dogs and a locked bedroom door. It was May 9, 2014, and Christopher Hill was just about to find out exactly what his partner-in-crime had been up to.

    • Angus Grigg

    Listen now: The Sure Thing episode 1

    Two years after graduation, university friends Chris Hill and Lukas Kamay, meet up and plot the biggest insider trading heist in Australian history. New episodes every Monday 6am.

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    • Angus Grigg and Lap Phan

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    4. Choose an episode to play by tapping on it or subscribe to the podcast to have it appear at the top of the app. A new section of the app will then notify you of new podcast episodes when you are subscribed.

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