Adventism

Hello all.

I've been an Adventist for most of my life. Most of my direct family is Adventist (having converted from Catholicism).

I've always been quite passionate as a Christian, but in recent times, I've been struggling with Adventism specifically.

The key struggle with me is that of communion, women as pastors/elders and the idea of Sunday kerping as the mark of the beast. According to the scriptures I have read, women are disqualified from the office of pastor/elder (not due to sexism). For example, 1 Timothy outlines the qualifications of a pastor/elder. All of those appear to exclude women from the equation.

The other issue is that of communion. Having done some study into the Bible and into the early church fathers, as well as Ellen White's description of communion as "the Sacrament", I'm struggling with the idea of communion as a mere "symbol".

But the biggest struggle comes from the eschatology of Adventism. Why does the mark of the beast have to be Sunday keeping? The way this has been taught makes it seem like millions of faithful Christians are condemned to Hell for simply worshipping on Sunday. Whilst I do still believe we ought to keep the Sabbath, it has never really made sense as to why Sunday is the mark of the beast.

These are just some of my quick thoughts. I hope someone can provide some answers.

EDIT: Thank you all for your answers! But I do not have any issue with keeping the Sabbath on the 7th day. My issue was the mark of the beast. Thank you to those of you who answered that question.

My specific thing on women pastors is due to the fact that I'm in the South Pacific division and they're allowed. But my concern is not that the church allows it, but that the Bible seems to say otherwise.

Adventism ruined my social, financial, loving and sexual life. I no longer went to parties because of dietary and music restrictions. My family relationship got complicated, there were frequent fights because I was always condemning the Catholicism they practiced. I lost many job opportunities by refusing to work on Saturdays. I lost a lot of money paying tithing and buying expensive books and natural foods. I felt a lot of embarrassment, I refused to have sex before marriage, everything was a sin, and that apocalyptic wait for the second coming, until I noticed that no one in the church took the rules as seriously as I did. Until I woke up from this illusion, I had already lost years of my youth and great opportunities. Psychologically vulnerable people become easy prey for fear of displeasing God.

I’ll go first

A woman with brain damage hated everything fun and mustard. She then started a cult.

Let’s hear yours!

I’m not even an adventist, never was one. Didn’t even know about them until a couple years ago. And I’m dealing with some major hatred of them. And Ellen White in particular. I started dating an Adventist in October 2021. I thought Adventism was just another Christian denomination, so I wasn’t really worried about it. I didn’t know much about it. Until my boyfriend started making it clear that I needed to have these “special” Bible studies with him. He was trying to convert me from Christianity to Adventism. He was so judgmental and self-righteous. Claiming that he had “the truth.” Our relationship was great except for that issue. I felt so dang uncomfortable on the few occasions when I attended church with him. It felt like pure “Ellen-worship.” I thought I could just express to him how uncomfortable I was and he would care and we could look for a new church together. Wrong. I couldn’t get him to see how cultish his church was. According to him, I just needed to study the Bible more. Which felt like an insult to me. He felt like he was basically closer to God than me because of his sabbath observance. And it was his job to win me over to Adventism, and then we could get married. What hurts the most is that I loved him and just wanted to spend time with him, but all he truly wanted was to convert me. That was the ultimatum for him to propose to me. Which felt so crazy to me. Either you love me or you don’t. It’s like Adventism had him so brainwashed that he couldn’t even really connect with me. The most important thing to him was being able to prove that Adventism was “the truth.” It’s crazy because he wasn’t even raised an Adventist. Our families actually attended the same Christian church when we were children. Our parents knew each other. My parents loved him and his parents loved me. But he got caught up in adventism a few years ago and converted. We broke up 2 months ago, and he said he was willing to sacrifice his relationship with me for God. It’s crazy to me because I’m a believer in God too! I’m just not willing to join an obvious cult. Now I’m in therapy trying to find some emotional healing from our relationship and deal with my anger against a church I wasn’t even raised in. 🤦🏽‍♀️

I was not raised Seventh-day Adventist.

I joined after having been an atheist my entire life.

What drew me to the church is their emphasis on studying the Bible, their belief that Jesus was God and returning soon and their belief that we should do good works.

I also liked that many of the members were vegetarian as I was vegetarian before joining.

About 3 years after studying with them, I decided to be baptized.

Then 1 year after being baptized I found out the 28 fundamental beliefs have two definitions.

The "public" definition they want outsiders to see and the insider definition you don't want people knowing until AFTER they join.

I found that odd but ignored it.

Then one day I saw a lecture from Doug Batchelor and his definition of the trinity sounded like the definition the Mormons use.

I then discovered the trinity doctrine is not even mandatory in the Adventist church in spite of fundamental belief #2.

So I decided to leave at that point.

Why did you leave?

At one point in my life, I knew I would sign my life away to the military, but I noticed that most of my church had not served or tried to convince me that the church doesn't support violence. Did anyone ever experience this? At one point, I attended an SDA college, and Army Recruiter was kicked off campus.

Don't know if it's just my local Adventist Church. I am wondering if it is a Ellen White or the Church founders that believed Harry Potter Witchcraft is real

I grew up as an adventist conservative in South Florida. I would say an early part of the indoctrination is this idea is that the organization is seperate from the pure "truth" of the church. So I got an early exposure to the corruption and sexual immorality of the leaders on both the local and conference level. Gossiping became sort of a rite of community acceptance, although in the back of my mind I always questioned this. I really hated the way the church controlled my social life, especially those aspects that revolved around sex. I remember turning down boys and developing a distaste for men, all for the sake of keeping my virginity (bullshit). Adding to the fact that I could only date adventist men.

Then I started dating this young man at ~21y/o. He was an elder, and my church "mentor" (manipulative AF) introduced us. He was going to go to oakwood to be a pastor, and had recently lost his job. While he was working on enrolling he got sucked into present truth; another extremist arm of the church whose leaders include the likes of Dwayne Lemon, Isaac Olatunji, MEET Ministry, Ivor Myers, Randy Skeete, Mammon Wilson (super nutcase), and others. I got sucked in also and I remember that all I wanted to talk about was the nature of Christ (before/after fall), the sanctuary message, health reform, dress reform (I threw away $5k+ worth of clothes for "Jesus"), 1844, the various forms of apostasy in the church, etc.

This level of anti-intellectualism, and fanaticism affected how i processed the world outside of adventism. At the time i was working on wall street and i remembered that i was never asking the right questions or being super critical of the work i was involved in. At my job as well as in adventism i took everything at face value and believed it. Another thing i remember is that within adventism you are supposed to automatically understand what people are saying, know what they are referring to, and know what they mean when using metaphors and various expressions. Have fun new believers!

Everything changed when i started reading Spectrum magazine's comment section. Deeper research led me to understand the Last Generation Theology was bullshit. From that point i began to slowly unwind from the faith. I remember going to ASI, and thinking that all these people are crazy af, and concluded that the only reason why the church allowed these people (including anti vaxxers) to have a booth is because this is their constituency. I found another "mentor" who had helped me theologically deconstruct from present truth, turns out he just wanted to fuck, go figure! The final nail in the coffin came when i began to read books on philosophy, evolution, skepticism, chance, and history.

I remember watching this debate over jewelry on FB and the pastor made a comment along the lines of "We are all still here because of community". I feel bad for the adventists that feel stuck because their social life revolves around Adventism. All the pastors that know their denomination is ass stick around because of income purposes. No one wants to experience the shame that goes along with leaving. Lol now I identify as borderline agnostic because once you leave adventism, I do not know how you can see the bible the same way.

I am not an ex Adventist, however I was wondering if some of you could shine a light on this. Is Adventism necessarily young earth creation and anti evolution? When you were in the church, were these things pushed as a matter of doctrine, or is it merely a common belief? Does Adventism necessarily entail these things, or can you be an Adventist and accept the age of the earth and evolution? How were these topics approached in your churches?

Does anyone here know any Adventists who believe that climate change isn't real, and is just an excuse to declare Sunday Law? Adventist parent won't stop sending me all sorts of news about climate change and the pandemic that supposedly lead up to Sunday Law. Every time I hear the ping of that notification, my stomach literally plummets in dread :)

Being related to Adventists is so fucking exhausting. I'm sick of them warping literally anything as a conspiracy for the Sunday Law. Vaccination, climate change, even social justice ?????????? now I get anxiety when these topics come up even when it's unrelated to Adventism, all because of some unhinged fanatics who won't stop feeling self-important.

It's just so unfair that we couldn't have grown up in a sensible environment. Now we have to live with undeserved traumas or anxieties over the most random thing (as if climate change wasn't already stressful enough). I feel like I'm going to be angry and bitter for the rest of my life so thanks a fucking lot adventism

So we all know that Adventism started in a small town in Michigan. I would love to hear people’s stories of how their non-American (or even American) families became Adventist. My Ukrainian grandma was dealing with the trauma of WWII in Eastern Europe and had something horrible happen to her by a priest in her Catholic Church. She stumbled upon an Ellen White book in a motel she was staying at, “and it changed her life” (she needed therapy). Long story short, she later immigrated to the US and my family has been SDA ever since. But the majority of SDA live outside of America at this point. I’ve grown up in Florida, around majority Caribbean Adventists, specifically many Haitians. I sadly still live in the town, and unfortunately meet many Adventists at the places I’ve worked (non-religious, hotels and food service). Anyway I recently asked my friend/coworker’s mom how she became Adventist (she’s Haitian and ex now). She told me the people helping them get green cards were converting them also🤦‍♀️ Thankfully she realized how insane those people are, and is no longer Adventist. But I just find it overall ironic how Adventism has a racist past, but the main people they convert are vulnerable, and traumatized in poor countries, people looking for any drop of hope. And the rebrand this as “pride in their diversity”. Now we all have trauma

Hi all,

Been a lurker here for the longest time. At the point where I desperately need some insight from those who questioned the faith.

I’m a guy (26M) raised in a Catholic family (been agnostic for years) and started dating an Adventist girl (28F) about 2 years ago.

I considered Adventism, did my due diligence after a year of attending services with her, look at this sub and came to the conclusion it’s a cult (at times I question that which is still mind blowing).

I need advice. I’m happy to marry her and she stays Adventist and I can be a Christian (perhaps non-denominational, I’m still deciding and working on it)

She does not seem as keen. Makes it seem as if I’m not being open and that I’m not “getting it” with regards to how life would work as a married couple with kids.

Has anyone been in this situation before? Please. I could use some insight.

Thank you guys

Whether or not you would call Adventism itself a cult, we all know there have been several “proper” cults that have arisen out of Adventism. The most obvious is David Koresh/the Branch Davidians. Another one I know of is Wayne Bent and the Lord our Righteousness Church. I recently learned my great aunt was actually a part of that one! How many others am I missing?

I am a practicing Adventist. I simply want to have to have all the facts so I can make an informed decision.

A few things made me suspect & wary of it all; I remember being told science was wrong when I asked how dinosaur fossils were dated to be millions of years old if earth has only been around for a few thousand. But the real “this shit is fucked” moment was when my church kicked a teenage girl out for getting pregnant out of wedlock. I was shocked at how little compassion these “Christians” had.

I’m honestly just asking because I’m curious about the experiences of others. There’s so many things wrong with Adventism that I’m sure everyone has a different answer.

I think a lot about how my parents chose one day, when I was very young, to become Adventists and how that set into motion a life path that would make it nearly impossible for them or their kids to escape unscathed. I think about how their choice locked our family into a dogmatic, narrow belief system, and how I then as an adult had to either align with their choice or become estranged. It was an arrogant, sad choice. And it frustrates me to know that as long as my parents are alive I’ll have to deal with Adventism in one way or another. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

i was at a camporee this weekend begrudgingly. i went as staff anyway so i wasn’t required to do anything other than help around. anyway i’m seeing pathfinders and on paper it looks good for kids, but then i found out it’s really to train them young how to do all those things in case the sunday law/persecution happens and they have to run off to the mountains. imagine. it’s a subpar scouts program. some ppl who i kinda knew kept suggesting i become a master guide or even the next director of my church’s club. i keep telling them it’s not happening. this weekend wasn’t terrible but it was pretty bad. this WILL be my last camporee [edit, this is how i currently feel, i liked pf as a kid. i just grew up]

I have been thinking about something alot lately. Ellen White's mission began in 1844. The rise of American Spiritualism is stated to have occured between 1840 and 1920. I have been wondering if this is coincidental, or directly related to the rise of American Spiritualism.

I always thought that if you took away words directly pointing to Christianity, many of her vision experiences sound exactly like the seances that were experiencing growing popularity at the time.

I can't help but wonder if these experiences benefitted from the same open approach that was provided to the spiritualist world.

You can even see elements of some of the spiritualists of the time. The incident that comes to mind is the description of other planets and their inhabitants.

Has anyone seen anyone who has studied this? What are your thoughts? I know many of those period spiritualists were proven to be hoaxes, and it feels like there may be some connections here.

I have been doing research on this one and have found a couple of great resources on Youtube. The channels "Friendly Atheist" and "Aron Ra" are great resources for people to learn a lot more about why Christianity is total garbage.

Watching Aron Ra is helping my own understanding of Evolution; my comments indicate that my knowledge of Evolution was seriously distorted when I was young and that is an issue for me. The guy just lays it out there and breaks it down, piece by piece. How I could have ever believed in a "magic flood" or any other thing in the Bible is beyond me. The way this man lays things out, pretty much rules out the creation stories of Genesis 1 AND 2. Stars are not made AFTER creating a planet, but that is what the text says. It is so absurd, yet, I was blinded and ignorant.

But my main point is why remain Agnostic? As an Atheist, I do reject the ideas of "gods" and believe that in order for the universe to have started the way the Bible would have you believe is to completely and utterly ignore science. As an Atheist, I try to keep an open mind. As science progresses, so should our knowledge. I have found Creationists recycle decades old arguments; ignoring recent archeological evidence to keep up their crazy insistence on "a 6 day creation cycle."

My argument is simple. If logic and reason and science "cannot" prove a god to me, I don't believe it. Arguing that it is "faith" is a copout. Faith is so misunderstood as a concept. It is the Christians "get out of jail free card" for their ignorant thinking. I always loved science; and later philosophy and history. If I were to believe in the Bible, I am believing in a God that is: vicious, sexist, cruel, evil, condones slavery, pulled the universe out of it's ass like a rabbit, magic and many other fallacious arguments. I have also found that Agnosticism is not a scientifically defensible position for me. It also fails logic for me; though not as bad as Christianity.

So again, why do some of you defend the Agnostic stance? I am not mocking. I am genuinely curious.

I think the worst characteristics of Adventism are the perfectionism, legalism, stupid/arbitrary/lame rules, as well as the overly restrictive lifestyle. Then there's the emphasis upon conformity.

Hey Everyone, After much thought and study it’s become impossible for me to maintain my intellectual faith in Adventism. Yet I’m not in a position where I can easily distance myself from it all. I’m currently in school to be an x ray technician, and must live at home with my parents until I graduate, work, and save up enough to move. Thankfully, as an X ray tech I can basically go anywhere. That was part of the appeal. I did stop hosting Great Controversy studies and studies on the official SDA church discipleship book for intellectual reasons, since I no longer believe Ellen White was inspired but was rather a manipulative plagiarist. Yet I am committed to work my church’s sound room every other week, and have even agreed to read the part of Andrew in our last supper skit this April. I don’t necessarily mind doing these things until I can leave but it is difficult to sit and listen to things I don’t agree with. Yet I don’t want to speak to these people who I respect and even like and tell them that I think it’s all nonsense. Why create that conflict and tension for the remainder of the time I have left? After all, maybe I don’t understand everything and maybe the Bible if not Ellen white is accurate? This troubles me deeply, especially as I begin the accept the un- changing nature of my own homosexuality. Perhaps the Bible is greatest work of literature ever but not divine? I don’t know. I have all the Adventist views hardwired into my brain. What makes this worse is I was baptized in December. I didn’t tell my pastor I was gay. I thought the Adventist position was true, but now I have reasonable doubt. Both my parents, both of whom I love and respect are Adventist. My dad doesn’t go to church and holds some unique views outside the church. My mom is very religious and very black and white on issues. Yet we are close and walk the dogs every day together. I haven’t told her of my evolving views on my new religion. Both my parents know I’m gay and love me but I don’t think either of them view it as ideal. I did actually tell my dad about this intellectual journey. It was a good chat even if it didn’t go anywhere; it allowed us to be more open and grow closer. Anyway, I just feel terrible about this because I love the Adventists in my life. I miss the peace that comes with certainty. It’s like that great song rainy days and Mondays “nothing is really wrong, feeling like I don’t belong.” Anyone have any tips or comments about how to work through this? It’s not easy to leave your faith of your childhood and that you just professed in publicly.

Welcome to the next installment in the Denominational AMAs!

Today's Topic
Seventh-day Adventism

Panelists

AN INTRODUCTION

Wikipedia Intro

The Seventh-day Adventist Church is a Protestant Christian denomination distinguished by its observance of Saturday, the original seventh day of the Judeo-Christian week, as the Sabbath, and by its emphasis on the imminent second coming (advent) of Jesus Christ. The denomination grew out of the Millerite movement in the United States during the middle part of the 19th century and was formally established in 1863. Among its founders was Ellen G. White, whose extensive writings are still held in high regard by the church today.

Much of the theology of the Seventh-day Adventist Church corresponds to Protestant Christian teachings such as the Trinity and the infallibility of Scripture. Distinctive teachings include the unconscious state of the dead and the doctrine of an investigative judgment. The church is also known for its emphasis on diet and health, its "holistic" understanding of the person,its promotion of religious liberty, and its conservative principles and lifestyle.

The world church is governed by a General Conference, with smaller regions administered by divisions, union conferences and local conferences. It currently has a worldwide baptized membership of about 18.02 million people.As of May 2007, it was the twelfth-largest religious body in the world, and the sixth-largest highly international religious body. It has a missionary presence in over 200 countries and territories and is ethnically and culturally diverse.The church operates numerous schools, hospitals and publishing houses worldwide, as well as a humanitarian aid organization known as the Adventist Development and Relief Agency (ADRA).

28 Official beliefs

The church has an official list of 28 beliefs. I offer a bit of information for those beliefs that may not follow the traditional protestant view

1. Holy Scriptures: The Holy Scriptures are the infallible revelation of His will. They are the standard of character, the test of experience, the authoritative revealer of doctrines, and the trustworthy record of God’s acts in history.

2. Trinity: There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three co-eternal Persons. God is immortal, all-powerful, all-knowing, above all, and ever present. He is infinite and beyond human comprehension, yet known through His self-revelation.

3. God the Father

4. God the Son

5. God the Holy Spirit

6. Creation:God is Creator of all things, and has revealed in Scripture the authentic account of His creative activity. In six days the Lord made “the heaven and the earth” and all living things upon the earth, and rested on the seventh day of that first week. Thus He established the Sabbath as a perpetual memorial of His completed creative work.

7. Nature of Man: Man and woman were made in the image of God with individuality, the power and freedom to think and to do. Though created free beings, each is an indivisible unity of body, mind, and spirit, dependent upon God for life and breath and all else.

8. Great Controversy: All humanity is now involved in a great controversy between Christ and Satan regarding the character of God, His law, and His sovereignty over the universe.Observed by the whole creation, this world became the arena of the universal conflict, out of which the God of love will ultimately be vindicated

9. Life, death, and resurrection of Christ

10. The Experience of Salvation

11. Growing in Christ:In the new freedom in Jesus, we are called to grow into the likeness of His character, communing with Him daily in prayer, feeding on His Word, meditating on it and on His providence, singing His praises, gathering together for worship, and participating in the mission of the Church

12. The Church

13. Remnant and Its Mission: In this new freedom in Jesus, we are called to grow into the likeness of His character, communing with Him daily in prayer, feeding on His Word, meditating on it and on His providence, singing His praises, gathering together for worship, and participating in the mission of the Church

14. Unity in the Body of Christ

15. Baptism: By immersion in water.

16. Lord's Supper (Communion): Emblems of the body and blood of Jesus

17. Spiritual Gifts and Ministries

18. The Gift of Prophecy:One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White. As the Lord’s messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction.

19. Law of God:Salvation is all of grace and not of works, but its fruitage is obedience to the Commandments. This obedience develops Christian character and results in a sense of well-being.

20. The Sabbath: The fourth commandment of God’s unchangeable law requires the observance of this seventh-day Sabbath as the day of rest, worship, and ministry in harmony with the teaching and practice of Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a day of delightful communion with God and one another. It is a symbol of our redemption in Christ, a sign of our sanctification, a token of our allegiance, and a foretaste of our eternal future in God’s kingdom

21. Stewardship: We acknowledge God’s ownership by faithful service to Him and our fellow men, and by returning tithes and giving offerings for the proclamation of His gospel and the support and growth of His church.

22. Christian Behavior: Modesty in dress and behavior. Emphasis on health, as our body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit.

23. Marriage and the Family: Traditional protestant view of marriage between one man and one woman.

24. Christ's Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: There is a sanctuary in heaven, the true tabernacle which the Lord set up and not man. In it Christ ministers on our behalf, making available to believers the benefits of His atoning sacrifice offered once for all on the cross. He was inaugurated as our great High Priest and began His intercessory ministry at the time of His ascension. In 1844, at the end of the prophetic period of 2300 days, He entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry. It is a work of investigative judgment which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin, typified by the cleansing of the ancient Hebrew sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. In that typical service the sanctuary was cleansed with the blood of animal sacrifices, but the heavenly things are purified with the perfect sacrifice of the blood of Jesus. The investigative judgment reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Christ and therefore, in Him, are deemed worthy to have part in the first resurrection. It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom.

25. Second Coming of Christ: The second coming of Christ is the blessed hope of the church, the grand climax of the gospel. The Saviour’s coming will be literal, personal, visible, and worldwide. The church does not believe in the rapture.

26. Death and Resurrection: When Christ, who is our life, appears, the resurrected righteous and the living righteous will be glorified and caught up to meet their Lord. The second resurrection, the resurrection of the unrighteous, will take place a thousand years later.

27. Millennium and the End of Sin:The millennium is the thousand-year reign of Christ with His saints in heaven between the first and second resurrections. During this time the wicked dead will be judged; the earth will be utterly desolate, without living human inhabitants, but occupied by Satan and his angels. At its close Christ with His saints and the Holy City will descend from heaven to earth.

28. The New Earth: On the new earth, in which righteousness dwells, God will provide an eternal home for the redeemed and a perfect envi- ronment for everlasting life, love, joy, and learning in His presence.

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I’m a college senior majoring in Computer Science. I was raised pentecostal by my grandmother but was never baptized, and stopped attending at age 13. When I was a senior in HS, some SDA classmates invited me to an evangelistic crusade, and I loved everything about the church. I was baptized that same year and have never looked back.

I’ve had the pleasure to serve the Church as youth leader, clerk, and as an ordained Elder. I currently co-lead the local chapter of the Adventist Christian Fellowship, the largest SDA student-led ministry.

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I'm a high-school student from Maryland. I've been home-schooled for a couple of years, and before that I went to a private school. In my spare time I like to make , something I've been doing for 2.5 years now.

I'm chronically shy, but I'm pretty sure I'm an extrovert too. Bit of a strange combination :3

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Even as an active, believing adventist, I didn't really care for the rules they put me under. I would break Sabbath, as soon as it benefits me. Lied and stealt a lot as a teenager. I never thought twice, whether I should take alcohol, weed or have sex before marriage. Of course, I knew it was a sin and God seeing everything but still I did many not-adventist-like things. So I wonder, if I or you ever cared about how I or you are supposed to live, what kind of role model I or you should be?

I met a Calvinist the other day and his beliefs in predestination really shocked me. I knew of predestination but not to the extent to what he believed.

He believed that he was saved/chosen before his existence and that there is an elect that God has pre determined to be saved which means that people are predestined to go hell. I told him that this is not a loving God.

I have been thinking about it and did some research and if I was raised with a family that had this belief I probably would become an atheist. What’s the point of Christ’s death etc if we are all destined to go one way or another. Apparently Jesus died only for the “elect”.

Anyway - I’m just wondering what the Adventist position/theology is on predestination ? I know we are all “pre destined” to be saved but it’s our own choices that stray us for that which Christ has in store for us. I hope that make sense.

Thanks and much love ❤️