Skip to navigationSkip to contentSkip to footerHelp using this website - Accessibility statement
  • Advertisement

    ‘China is run by engineers, US by political lawyers’: Tech pioneer’s warning

    “We had a lot of good times and we’re still friends,” the longtime senior American tech executive says of his time with the former Federal Reserve governor.

    Nick BonyhadyTechnology writer

    Subscribe to gift this article

    Gift 5 articles to anyone you choose each month when you subscribe.

    Subscribe now

    Already a subscriber?

    ″The last person I dated seriously was Janet Yellen, who is the current Secretary of the Treasury,” says former tech executive William Raduchel about 40 minutes into our lunch. I’d asked about his family life, a topic of conspicuous absence in his autobiography, The Bleeding Edge: My Six Decades at the Forefront of the Tech Revolution. This wasn’t the answer I expected. It was “50 years ago and we were 20-something. We had a lot of good times and we’re still friends.”

    There are several reasons Raduchel, 78, gives for his bachelor status but the crux is work. From the 1980s to the early 2000s, he was in the C-suite at the companies that were the Nvidias and Facebooks of the day. He was on the chief executive’s staff at Xerox, chief strategy officer of Sun Microsystems, and finally chief technology officer at AOL around the turn of the millennium.

    William Raduchel: “China is run by engineers. The US is run by political lawyers. If you’re on a rocket ship, you’d rather have the engineers running the rocket ship.” Louie Douvis

    Now, on a warm April day, Raduchel is in Sydney with the Opera House in the background, liberally name-dropping the titans of academia and technology his career brought him close to. There’s Steve Jobs of Apple, whose company Raduchel says he almost bought for Sun Microsystems in 1995; the uber venture capitalist Marc Andreessen, whom he replaced at AOL; and the influential Democratic economist John Kenneth Galbraith, for whom he lectured at Harvard University.

    Asking about the overall tenor of his career solicits another anecdote, this time about Thomas Schelling, a professor and inspiration for Dr Strangelove or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb, fainting on an airline. The point, Raduchel says, recalling Schelling, is that: “If you want to stay alert and alive, you have to change what you do every 10 years.”

    Even with a delicious-looking tomato salad in front of him, Raduchel eats little. It’s not just the talking. Having just arrived from Virginia with a stopover in Sydney before heading to Melbourne to visit a niece, he’s jet-lagged and on a diabetes medication that is a precursor to the popular weight loss drugs Ozempic and Mounjaro.

    I’m just glad this lunch is happening. We’d initially agreed on the picturesque Park Hyatt where Raduchel is staying, which would have been a perfect venue for a man who can precisely recall his status miles with Delta Airlines (6.2 million) and his tenure with Hyatt’s loyalty program (49 years). But that was aborted when the venue bizarrely decided that the AFR Weekend’s booking to bring a photographer must have meant a photographer would simply be at the lunch, not that they’d be taking photos. (The fact that Hollywood star Zendaya turns out to be staying at the hotel perhaps explains the nerviness of its staff). The problem resolved itself – or became more comedic – when Raduchel, due to a scheduling error, turned out still to be in the United States at the time.

    Players v employees

    Still, now that he’s here, dressed in a dark jacket, crisp white pants and comfortable black shoes, we’re dining at 6Head in the Rocks. A quiet table by the water lets us get into the meat of the conversation, literally as well as figuratively. Raduchel has a fillet steak, which looks delicious but again goes mostly uneaten, while I enjoy a wagyu burger washed down with a beer. Raduchel, again for health reasons, has an orange juice.

    His lack of libation doesn’t affect his volubility on professional topics, but he allows some discussion of the personal. Born in the small city of Houghton, Michigan, as the second son to William Reece Raduchel and his wife, Olive Helena, Raduchel jnr entered the Sputnik generation to whom technology seemed a force of inherent good.

    Advertisement

    He was close to his father, less so his mother. When he was 14, Raduchel snr, a local official and petrol station owner, died. “My father would always check my homework,” Raduchel jnr says. “And when he died, I think the only way I thought I knew that I could please him was to have perfect homework.”

    Already a good student, Raduchel excelled and propelled himself into university, first at a state level and then Harvard on scholarships. A talent for early computers the size of semi-trailers got him research work and administrative jobs, then into the private sector where he rose rapidly to management roles, many of which were about doing deals.

    We’re talking not long after an image of a tech worker wearing a shirt with a woman’s naked torso printed on it while questioning Google co-founder Sergey Brin on the company’s attempts at generating diverse AI results went viral. How does Raduchel think about managing such talented but prickly, to put it mildly, employees who proliferate among the tech workforce?

    The rub of his answer is that talent prevails, especially as AI automates more mundane tasks. “We’re headed toward a world in which almost every company is going to look like a professional sports [team],” he says. “And you’re going to have players, and you’re going to have employees.”

    Some of the technology companies that have been most successful at retaining these star employees such as Google, he says, have let them work on their own projects and eliminated middle managers. But then decisive management is key too, he says, citing brilliant calls made by Google’s founders and others. How to balance those things is hard, though he is adamant that consultants aren’t the answer. “Ninety per cent of almost every time I’ve watched consultants come in, the answer was obvious before they started,” he says with the voice of a man who has seen it many times.

    Printer manufacturer Xerox was a dominant company in its day. Fairfax Media

    It’s quaint now, but when Raduchel worked at Xerox in the mid-1980s, the business was at the bleeding edge of innovation because of its printers. Its alumni went on to found companies including Adobe, which makes Photoshop and is worth $US221 billion.

    Xerox, which is still listed on the Nasdaq, is now worth $US1.6 billion. Adobe is now under threat from Australia’s Canva, which caught it napping on simple design software for amateur users. But Canva is worth only a 10th of Adobe, and other longstanding technology giants such as Google, Microsoft and Amazon look likely to benefit from, rather than be disrupted by, artificial intelligence.

    Raduchel is more optimistic that the cycle of innovation and disruption, which are hallowed buzzwords in Silicon Valley, will continue. “Everybody’s going to have a personal digital butler,” he says.

    Befitting a man who knows his status miles, he gives the example of a traveller booking a trip replete with flights, hotels and visas just by asking an AI assistant for it. That will upend the standard model of selling things to people through phones and apps, he predicts. After we talk though, a couple of companies making physical devices to house those assistants – one called Rabbit and the other Humane – debut their buggy products to dire reviews.

    Advertisement

    The peak of Raduchel’s career was at AOL, the company that got huge numbers of Americans to log onto the internet for the first time, from 1999 to 2004. In 2000, AOL merged with storied media conglomerate Time Warner in a disastrous $US350 billion transaction. Fuelled by the dotcom boom, AOL’s share price was way ahead of its earnings and it failed to gel with Time Warner, which killed off plans for an internet set-top box.

    Here Raduchel, who was chief technology officer, is on steady ground. In The Bleeding Edge, an observation on why the merger did not work stands out. “Content was king at Time Warner and again at AOL Time Warner, and for reasons I still find hard to fathom, that meant technology could not be important,” he wrote. “It is not a logical choice; a culture simply cannot tolerate more than one group of priests.”

    Offers like this from 1998 brought huge numbers of Americans, and eventually Australians, their first experience of the internet. Eddie Jim

    There’s a warning there for other businesses he says: what of the financial institutions that now have more software engineers than bankers? The New York Times, too, has a great fleet of technical staff, Raduchel notes, which has caused problems in the past when their ideology has clashed with the paper’s non-partisan mission.

    AI regulation

    He’s bearish on regulation as the solution for the problems of the ever-rising power of technology. “It’s embarrassing,” he says, of the US government’s antitrust lawsuit against Apple alleging it has operated its app store as a monopoly. Raduchel has form here, having tangled with Microsoft in the courts and deal rooms at Sun and AOL. The difference is that he doesn’t see Apple’s app store as a true monopoly, whereas he thinks Microsoft crossed the line.

    Yet, he offers some praise for China’s much more controlling system of government. “China is run by engineers. The US is run by political lawyers,” Raduchel says, not entirely accurately, given many of China’s leaders are the children of communist revolutionaries. “If you’re on a rocket ship, you’d rather have the engineers running the rocket ship.”

    One area where Raduchel thinks regulation in the West could be workable is requiring a licence for people developing AI tools to ensure someone is accountable for them. It’s not the only arresting remark he makes during our conversation.

    Earlier, he says he thinks the Great Barrington Declaration, an October 2020 open letter that called for COVID-19 to be allowed to spread to create “herd immunity” among the younger, healthy population before there were vaccines to stop mass deaths, was “probably the right answer”. And he claims the former US National Institutes of Health director Anthony Fauci “will make tens of millions of dollars off of the vaccines”.

    (Documents released by the NIH confirm its researchers do get royalty payments for medications based on patents they contributed to. Fauci has received some of those, but the independent FactCheck.org has reported they do not appear to relate to COVID-19 vaccines and Fauci has previously said he donates royalty money to charity. What payments he may receive in future are unclear.)

    Advertisement

    Raduchel got into this vexed space in the pandemic, when he spent 90 days in lockdown, speaking regularly to his doctor, eventually taking a tuberculosis vaccine called BCG and reading medical newsletters. It must’ve been a trying way to spend time for someone who has worked so doggedly throughout his life, to the exclusion of a partner and children. His mother, whom he cared for at his home, had died at 95.

    It’s not that he had no fun in his career. He remembers meeting with Japanese business partners when working for Sun Microsystems in the 1990s, who felt it was improper to play golf on company time. “I scratched out ‘golf’ and I wrote in ‘informal executive exchange’,” he says with a laugh. It was a raging success.

    Yet for all the 80-hour weeks and trans-Pacific flights Raduchel logged in an industry that venerates founders, he never created his own company. “I ended up being a very good number two,” he says with a hint of weariness but no bitterness.

    As we’re winding down, he kindly orders a scoop of ice-cream to match my indulgence of a rhubarb and custard number. There’s just enough time to ask what Raduchel – sceptic of government at other points in the conversation – thinks of Yellen’s performance as Treasury Secretary, a job where she is both pivotal to the US economy and in hock to the White House.

    “I admire and respect her,” he says of the woman he dated decades ago, before she wed her husband. But he adds: “In any of those jobs … you’ve got to make impossible decisions, and it’s hard to be right.”

    The bill

    6Head, Bay 10 & 11 Campbell’s Stores, 7/27 Circular Quay W, The Rocks 

    • Orange juice $8
    • 2 Sparkling water $26
    • Peroni $16
    • Tomato salad $24
    • Wagyu burger $35
    • Fillet steak with pepper sauce $79
    • Rhubarb and custard $19
    • Scoop of ice-cream $3.50
    • Flat white $6
    • Tea peppermint $6

    Total: $222.50

    Subscribe to gift this article

    Gift 5 articles to anyone you choose each month when you subscribe.

    Subscribe now

    Already a subscriber?

    Read More

    Nick Bonyhady
    Nick BonyhadyTechnology writerNick Bonyhady is a technology writer for the Australian Financial Review, based in Sydney. He is a former technology editor, industrial relations and politics reporter at the Sydney Morning Herald and Age. Connect with Nick on Twitter. Email Nick at nick.bonyhady@afr.com

    Latest In Technology

    Fetching latest articles