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Overview: Contestants are assigned concept evaluation songs. Second round of eliminations takes place.

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Overview: Contestants pick songs for position evaluation and prepare performances. Position evaluation performances begin.

I have watched all the MNET survival shows, and it seems like nothing else can compare to it. There was just enough of everything -- drama, highlights, growth stories, etc. Anyone else who feels the same way ?

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Please feel safe to share your unpopular opinions here that would otherwise get downvoted to oblivion! Try to keep the opinions civilized, even if it is a harsh critique. Also, please post truly UNPOPULAR opinions.

Bad example of an unpopular opinion: Hyewon and Minjoo do not deserve the top 12 rankings they got in episode 8.

Sorry, but this is not an unpopular opinion. Almost everyone would agree with this, and there's no chance that people would be 50/50 on this.

Good example of an unpopular opinion: Sakura does not deserve to be in the debut group (JUST AN EXAMPLE!)

This isn't my personal opinion, but you can see how an idea like this is clearly unpopular.

That beings said, here are some of my unpopular opinions. Feel free to disagree with them, they are unpopular for a reason!

1. I don't mind if Goto Moe and Sae are eliminated next episode. These Japanese trainees just never shined to me and I don't think they deserve a spot in the top 20. Truthfully, Go YuJin should have taken one of their spots in top 30.

2. I want the next elimination to have a surprise twist: Bring back 5 contestants after eliminating 10 (so it would be top 25). I think people like Go YuJin and Mako deserve another shot. The reason this would be bad for the show is because it's pretty unfair to the top 20 contestants, who have to work even harder to save their spots from second chance contestants. It would also be thrilling to me if Jurina came back next episode. Again, trust me I understand why this would also be a stupid idea, but I want it so bad.

3. I'm not a fan of Miyu. I'm not saying I dislike her in any way, but if I had votes to give, I would not give one to her. She's cool and talented and all, but doesn't strike me as a top 12. This might be a shallow thing to say (keep in mind I'm a straight male so there's some bias), but Miyu just doesn't ignite any kind of spark in me. Visually, I would say Miyu and Chaeyeon and equal, but I like Chaeyeon since she excels in singing, dancing, and leadership roles. I guess this is unfair since Miyu is pretty good at singing and leading, but I prefer Chaeyeon over Miyu any day.

4. Mnet isn't as evil and biased as it seems. Ok, so mnet bias DOES EXIST, but it isn't as terrible as people say. You can go to any eliminated contestant video (Aoi, Mako, Hyuna, Wang Ke), you will see the comments are full of this: "CONTESTANT WAS ROBBED OF SCREEN TIME / SHE WAS RESULT OF EVIL EDITING / KOREANS DONT REALIZE WHAT'S GOOD AND BAD." No matter what, people are going to blame mnet if their favored contestant is eliminated. You have to realize Mnet has to make a show worth watching, and if the contestant is boring or another contestant has more to show, they are going to show them instead. Everyone cannot receive equal screen time, and people are naturally going to be edited out since there are SO MANY girls. Also, popular girls will naturally get more screen time because that's what the audience wants. It's a $$$ business. Screen time doesn't always mean you will get votes either. Cho Yeon (the red headed girl who clashed with Aoi). She ALWAYS got a ridiculously large amount of screen time, yet she got like ranked 47th out of 50 in episode 8 and got eliminated. Besides all this, I do agree that Mnet has some really terrible editing sometimes, like trying to build drama for no reason (cough cough Gyuri peakaboo).

5. If Yu Jin* didn't make top 12, I wouldn't really care. I would be shocked that a person who was Top 4 each ranking ep was eliminated, but she also doesn't shine to me. I have been informed that this is not an unpopular opinion in this subreddit.

BONUS random question: Was it just me, or was Rumor's chorus so catchy you HAD to sing it every time Eun Bi sang "GEUROHGE MALHEBWA"?

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Overview: Group evaluation performances continue. Who will rise and who will fall?

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Overview: Contestants receive re-evaluation results, choose a center, and create teams for group evaluation. Group evaluation performances begin

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1. I dont find takeuchi miyu’s voice that good. It sounds a little weird to me?

2. Lee sian deserves more love. She is my top 1 pick. Im really sad that she dropped out of top 12 from episode 1 and never got back in again.

3. Jang gyuri unsettles me. Theres something off about her and she comes out as a little bit narcissistic to me? (Sorry if i upset any of her fans, you dont have to agree with me)

4. I feel that goto moe will rise ALOT in the next ranking

5. I personally prefer the concept eval songs from the 2 previous seasons. This season, i feel like half the songs sound the same... im a little disappointed

6. I dont get the hype around yamada noe. Some of her reactions seem a little disingenuous and way over the top to me. The ghost prank reaction of hers was too much for me too...

7. I like it when mnet makes drama and sensationalises it with editing because without it i feel like the show will be way boring.

please take these with a grain of salt as these are just MY opinions and my thoughts. What do you think of them? Do you agree or disagree? I also would really love to hear all of your “unpopular” opinions if you have any! :)

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As Produce X 101 vote rigging controversy intensifies with the pending lawsuits and Mnet's announcement of requesting a police investigation on its own production team, here is the full explanation of the evidences that has led to this chain of event.

It started with the above table's third column, the number of vote difference between each vote count with the one just above in ranking. Some K-nets noticed unusually high repeating patterns in numbers. This led to some K-nets to look more closely into the numbers and soon discovered many irregularities. This finally led to the discovery of every contestant's final vote count is a multiple of 7494.442.

In a voting as large as Produce X 101, each contestant's final vote count should be mathematically independent from one another. So, having all 20 vote count results to have a common denominator of 7494.442 is so improbable to the point of impossibility. (an exception of Koo Jungmo's vote number of 704,748 is possibly a clerical error from writing down 704,478.)

With this discovery, many K-nets became mobilized setting up an emergency committee to demand an explanation from M-net as well as seeking legal advice. M-net, initially silent on the demands of K-nets, offered an explanation after receiving some attention from Korea's media on the issue. However, the initial explanation of vote rounding error by Mnet only further fueled the controversy to the point of a Korean parliamentary politician to call out Mnet on the issue.

As it turned out, the number 7494.442 was the average individual final vote count divided by 100. In other words, 7494.442 X 2,000 equaled the total number of votes. This implied that Mnet first converted every individual contestant's vote count into a vote percentage ratio, and converted them once again from 100 base points to 2,000 base points, and then multiplied them by 7494.442.

This whole process makes no sense because each step not only is unnecessary but also complicates the calculation since simple calculations of vote numbers, even with the weighted ones, should be more than sufficient to get the job done. This leads to the conclusion that the procedure has a different purpose, namely extracting a large number like 2,000 that can quickly match to the final total vote counts by multiplying a constant, no matter how 2,000 points are distributed across.

This is the only logical and plausible explanation, and it also explains the second step of the process, converting from 100 point base to 2,000 point base. Distributing 100 points among 20 contestants are limiting whereas distributing 2,000 points makes much easier to fine-tune the distribution. Only natural conclusion from this is that the purpose of 2,000 points is for the distribution and the fine-tuning of the votes. In other words, vote manipulation.

Once the potential vote manipulation methods by Mnet were established, some of K-nets also looked into the vote results of Produce 48. And sure enough, they discovered exactly same pattern emerging. The below is what they discovered:

The exactly the same patterns were revealed with the only difference coming from using 10,000 point base instead of 2,000 base points. And there is no transcribing error, unlike in the case of Koo Jungmo, as every final vote count being a multiple of 445.2178.

This reveals the fact that the vote manipulation, if proven, isn't an isolated incident of Produce X 101 but an indication of possibly much more prevalent and serious issues within Mnet organization.

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Overview: The top 20 perform for viewers live, the votes are tallied, and the final debut group of 12 is announced.

Izone is my ult group and I LOVE all the members so much. There is pretty obvious rigging in produce 48 that I have come to accept. However recently I was getting nostalgic so rewatched produce 48 and the blatant horrible rigging and vote manipulation appalls me. I am not saying they should manipulate the votes, but if you do at least do it right so nobody suspects it. Like I am surprised they werent arrested sooner with how many problems if you look into it happened with the final lineup and there previous rankings. Here are some examples.

1. Most obviously is Yuri going from 18th to 3rd when there is only 20 contestants. You dont just raise 15 spots randomly and Yuri honestly didnt do anything excpetional in the final episode to warrant the increase in voting. So it is pretty obvious that she was rigged in. However why didnt they just rig the semifinals to make the finals seem less outrageous.

2. Next we have Yena and Yujin, there previous rankings were 16 and 14 and they became 5 and 4. Yena increased 12 spots and Yujin increased 9 spots. Again if you wanted to rig them in if you put there final ranking as 12 or 11 like Minju it wont arouse so much suspicion but the producers had absolute zero braincells while deciding themselves who to rig in. Though they probably were put in a higher spot I am curious whether Yujin or Yena made it in originally. I think Yujin had a high chance of making it 11th or 12th.

3. Next we have Wonyoung, I actually wasnt as surprised as others when hearing Wonyoung as the victor. To be honest Wonyoung was very popular with the korean voters at the time and they took a majority of the vote. While I dont think she was 1st due to her previous ranking being 8th I would guess her final ranking being somewhere between 5-8. Though she was probably the best center possible from the show( Sakura was good too).

4. Next we have Chaeyeon, I am not accusing them of placing Chaeyeon's final ranking higher then her original I actually think her ranking went down WAY too much. Like she just casually dropped 9 spots from 3rd to 12th. I am really curious to see the original lineup because I am guessing Chaeyeon had a very high chance of actually making it to the top two. Like they could have dropped her a few spots to 6th or something but 12th is way too much.

5. Next we have Chaewon, she is the other one next to Yuri that was very obviously rigged into Izone. She was originally 19th and was raised to 10th, that is 9 spots. Chaewon I didnt hear a lot of buzz about and she caught my eye in the final lineup because I was thinking NO WAY did she beat already famous people like Kaeun, Miyu, and Miho. I love Chaewon now but she was definitely someone that brought more suspicion about rigging.

6. Next we have Kaeun, Miru, Miyu, and Miho (Maybe Miu too bur dont think she got into Izone either way but maybe I am wrong). They all have the same problem that they had high rankings all top 8 before semi final being 5,8,6,and 2 and then falling too 14,20,16,and 15. LIKE WHAT! Your telling me they dropped 9-13 spots each. Like this also really surprised me like your telling me you put Miru in 20th. Like its pretty obvious she wasnt in 20th so why the hell was she there. Miho and Miyu especially really annoyed me especially Miho. Like your telling me she went from basically guaranteed to debut to 3 spots under the debut lineup. I dont think so.

This is a lineup that I think might have been possible( I know Kaeun and Chowon got 5th and 6th but changed there rankings slightly here to fit some others):

1.Sakura

2.Chaeyeon

3.Hyewon

4.Kaeun

5.Wonyoung

6.Miho

7.Nako

8.Miyu

9.Chowon

10.Hitomi

11.Eunbi

12.Miru

Maybe switch in Yujin, Minju, Yena, or Miu for somebody in the bottom 2.

Edit: I hear a lot about the 1 vote thing being the main reason and korean voters being the reason almost no Japanese made it and that Sakura, Nako, and Hitomi were the most popular korean contestants however I feel this contradicts itself. I know for a fact that Miho was more popular then Nako and Hitomi in Korea I love Nako and Hitomi but Miho was definitely more popular. Heck she might have been more popular in Korea then in Japan so I still firmly stand that she was rigged out. The comments that Miyu and Miru were affected by one votes could definitely be true since Miru was in a scandal at the time of the finale, but I still think Miyu might have made it in. I also heard something about Yujin and Yena being very popular in Korea, but after Yujin's scandal she was falling in popularity in Korea so maybe she made it too the rear end of the Izone lineup but definitely not in 5th. Yena was also one of the people that would benefit from the 1 vote system not being in place since she is an insanely funny contestant and most peoples second or third favorite so I am not sure about that. Finally I heard about how nobody but Kaeun and Chowon were rigged due to the court revealing it and that they revealed the rigging of a Japanese Produce x 101 trainee. However there is a huge difference from being a trainee from Japan and being from the biggest girl group in Japan and competing on Produce 48. The court most likely did not reveal the Japanese contestants that were rigged due to there relation to AKB48 and maybe I am wrong and Chowon and Kaeun were the only contestants rigged but I highly doubt it. Here is an updated ranking after taking a look at more facts.

1. Sakura

2. Chaeyeon

3. Hyewon

4. Wonyoung

5. Kaeun

6. Chowon

7. Miho

8. Nako

9. Hitomi

10. Eunbi

11. Miyu or Miu

12. Yena, Minju, or Yujin

The #1 trainee in each group received 5,000 additional points, which will be added to their overall vote ranking

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