Ireland to pause use of AstraZeneca vaccine as precaution while blood clot concerns are investigated

berniemyfriend1 · 2021-03-14T16:39:53+00:00

I'm from Ireland and was just listening to the radio covering this Irish pause.

They had a doctor on from the National Immunisation Advisory Committee, which made this decision to pause use of Astra Zeneca.

She addressed the frequency question, she said its not the blood clots themselves that are the problem, since blood clots are common when dealing with millions of people. But she said the type of blood clots reported in Norway is a cause of concern.

She said they were Brain blood clots which is rarer type of blood clot and were major clots as opposed to minor ones. And she said the age of the people reporting it was people in their 20's and 30's also a rare group to be reporting blood clots.

It's because of that information they decided to pause the supply of AstraZeneca.

jl45 · 2021-03-14T12:55:54+00:00

As of 9 March 2021, 22 cases of thromboembolic events had been reported among the 3 million people vaccinated with COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca in the European Economic Area.

Serialconsumer · 2021-03-14T12:22:03+00:00

Makes me uncomfortable that the vaccine that has taken the most ethical approach in terms of cost seems to be constantly receiving the most objections. Which for the most part seem to be later declared as unfounded.

StealthyUltralisk · 2021-03-14T13:40:38+00:00

Things like the contraceptive pill raise the risk of blood clots too and people don't go all conspiracy nut over those. Also doesn't covid itself cause blood clots in some people?

It's good they are investigating (as they should) but they should be more careful about panicking people when it comes to this, so much more damage could be done.

aza-industries · 2021-03-14T12:34:38+00:00

I found out today my auntie is anti-vax, as well as a conspiracy theorist. On a call to wish me happy birthday.

I also happen to be immunocompromised.

Growing up and realising a lot of the adults you remember from childhood aren't as awesome as you thought sucks.

Edit: thank you all for your replies, I read them all.

Edit 2: A few of you sure like to infer a lot from the little bit I posted. No this doesn't just pertain to the covid vaccine, and she's also anti-medication apparently. She also doesn't believe 500,000 people died from it in the US.

It was half an hour of me trying to steer her away from talking about this stuff after she had said her token happy birthday.

Brickleberried · 2021-03-14T14:04:45+00:00

""It has not been concluded that there is any link between the Covid-19 vaccine AstraZeneca and these cases,” Dr Glynn said. However, acting on the precautionary principal, and pending receipt of further information, the NIAC has recommended the temporary deferral of the Covid-19 vaccine AstraZeneca vaccination programme in Ireland.”

green_flash · 2021-03-14T11:43:31+00:00

They say it's out of an abundance of caution, but it borders anti-science fear mongering.

More than 17 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine have been administered by now and there is absolutely no evidence of an increased risk of blood clots among recipients of the vaccine.

I really hope it doesn't lead to more people refusing the vaccine.

raymengl · 2021-03-14T12:45:56+00:00

I'm probably way off the mark here, but doesn't Covid-19 give an increased risk of blood clots? I'm sure the NYT had a full article about it a while back.

And if that's the case, then wouldn't there be similar risks from the vaccine designed from the original virus?

fuckyouyoufuckinfuk · 2021-03-14T14:38:32+00:00

I wish there was this amount of concern about blood clots with birth control pills.

hungoverseal · 2021-03-14T14:05:43+00:00

COVID-19 is heavily associated with blood clots. The UK has seen zero evidence of blood clots relating to vaccination despite millions upon millions of vaccinations and high-quality monitoring. The most blinding obvious answer is that these people probably caught SARS-COV-2 shortly before being vaccinated and are suffering side effects from the virus rather than the vaccine.

woshimikel · 2021-03-14T20:43:34+00:00

Is this,that? https://www.google.com/amp/s/khn.org/news/rather-than-give-away-its-covid-vaccine-oxford-makes-a-deal-with-drugmaker/amp/

Ellie_Spares_Abby · 2021-03-15T10:53:18+00:00

I got vaccinated four days ago and I haven't talked to anybody IRL about this because it's embarrassing but I've just had this raging boner ever since. It goes away, it isn't like a priapasm or anything, but it literally just shoots up into a stone tower at the slightest breeze. It's worst than being 15 again.

Has anyone else had problems with their junk being overactive? Don't get me wrong, this is preferable to ED but I don't want to be the guy who gets boners all the time when I go back to the office eventually...

Justinian2 · 2021-03-14T12:54:26+00:00

This is absolute garbage. There were just as many incidences of this (which were extremely rare anyway) with the Pfizer. There's an abundance of caution, and then there's letting people catch the virus and die of if who would otherwise have been vaccinated. This doesn't make sense at all - this looks like a repeat of the same groupthink we saw last March.

This vaccine has had so much bad press, it's hard not to speculate that someone, somewhere, doesn't like the fact it's cheap and not being sold at profit. It's as though with some countries there's no sense of urgency in vaccinating people and lifting these damaging restrictions.

SecondAccount404 · 2021-03-14T14:04:50+00:00

This decision seems completely irrational given the number of thromboembolic events isn't higher than what you would expect from any random section of the population.

Presumably there must be tonnes of other conditions that are also showing up in vaccinated people by pure chance, why have thromboembolic events been singled out here? And why halt vaccinations if there is no data linking the two? Investigate yes, thats how good science works, but why take action against the current data? This decision wasn't about science no matter how much they claim so.

Joliet_Jake_Blues · 2021-03-14T17:38:58+00:00

Anti-vaxxers are like, "see? See? This is why I didn't get Braylynn their vaccines!!"

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whorin_bajoran · 2021-03-14T14:07:03+00:00

I have an auto immune disease and I got the vaccine done yesterday. The gp administering it said I won’t have antibodies for 2 weeks, so I do wonder how much of these supposed cases of clots, have involved people who already have caught covid or caught covid just after? Covid is known to cause blood clots and there is no evidence the vaccine does. Oxford and Astra Zeneca have done an incredible job.

If any one gets the vaccine my only advice is to take it easy for a day and have painkillers on hand as it does hit you with flu symptoms.

SwagChemist · 2021-03-15T10:50:53+00:00

If the Biontech and AstraZen vaccines both have reported blood clots but one vaccine is proven more effective than the other, then guess which variant of vaccine people will fight over...

GoTuckYourduck · 2021-03-15T12:40:58+00:00

I would be afraid, but I wouldn't be surprised if I've already been an asymptomatic victim of COVID-19, and the long-term consequences are worse. The stats are much better on the dumbed down virus AstroZeneca uses, and from my understand the immunization is better to boot. It's much better than getting it through the sheer probability of your getting it. If you haven't gotten COVID-19, well, it only takes one case to get it circulating and there are new variants going around for which simply getting sick once (which will consume and weaken your immune system even more in the process) won't be enough to protect against.

K_man_k · 2021-03-14T14:05:23+00:00

This is not an anti-vax move at all, this move is based off what Denmark and Norway are doing and saying. In the long term investigating these risks will boost confidence in the vaccination programme.

Particular-Ad-2376 · 2021-03-14T14:47:43+00:00

Can I just add that this is just precautionary; a government based decision on foot of a recommendation from the National Immunisation Advisory Committee. It’s not some anti-Brit slander campaign. I’m Irish. We want the country to get vaccinated as fast as possible so this blip is very frustrating but nothing to do with Brexit. I believe our Taoiseach even spoke to Boris Johnson about possibly procuring vaccines; naturally Johnson wants to get his own country sorted first, which is completely understandable but there was an expectation to ask and so he did. Most people I know are and would be happy to take Astra Zeneca. Could the conspiracy theorists please give it a rest. The anti-EU rhetoric is getting old as is the anti-Brit talk. Can’t we all just get along at this horrible time?

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Professional-Day9939 · 2021-03-14T14:28:54+00:00

The four cases in Norway were all Nurses. Similar findings from Korea, Denmark and Austria. Nurses in France and Germany refused the AZ a number of weeks back.

One theory emerging is that if you have previously had COVID-19 which increases the likelihood of blood clots, the AZ vaccine further exacerbates it.

Benefits still outweigh risks

GrimmRadiance · 2021-03-14T20:50:01+00:00

This is why I said I’m in no rush when people asked me if I wanted to be first in line for a vaccine. I’m young and healthy, and I isolate almost completely. Plus the three things I don’t want to be first to try are restaurants, rollercoasters, and medicine.

oniony · 2021-03-14T11:47:44+00:00

it's good that they are taking precautions and being careful

Reaction	Cases (Pf-Bi)	Deaths (Pf-Bi)	Cases (AZ)	Deaths (AZ)
Pulmonary embolism	15	1	13	1
Pulmonary infarction	1	0	1	0
Pulmonary thrombosis	1	0	0	0
Immune thrombocytopenia	9	0	22	1
Thrombocytopenia	13	1	12	0
Cerebral venous sinus thrombosis	1	0	3	0
Superior sagittal sinus thrombosis	0	0	1	0

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