AncientSpark

A single pull forward on Robin = ALL partners attack. Including the Topaz or March, etc. A Robin Ult is giving up 2-ish turns worth of her, but you are getting 1 bonus rotation of both Feixiao and your sub-DPS, plus a bonus turn out of your sustain to make up for speed differences. Just that alone is competitive with an FUA unit in terms of number of attacks already without considering her other benefits.

Yes, you could maaaybe argue you can get more attacks out of Jade E1 specifically because of Topaz Numby synergies and how it interacts with Jade FUA, but you also have to remember that getting more attacks (besides uptime issues, which Feixiao self-solves) is just a multiplier on total DPS, the same way doing more damage is, and 2x DPS + 1x team buffer is going to do more DPS than 3x DPS in a vacuum. Even setting aside the fact Robin has extra power in FUA comps and the fact she fixes Feixiao's bad base ATK (especially if you are attempting high speed setups).

It's a lot of feelscrafting, so it's hard to say. The logic of the team seems fine, it's just not clear whether Pela or Asta is better for this particular team, or the dropoff between her F2P and P2W teams.

Both SPD and ATK % are proportional increases to the character's damage; the difference between getting more actions (including FUAs) and having FUAs/Ults deal more damage is only a matter of how much of what that proportion is (especially in Feixiao's case where she can exchange Ult uptime and damage by Ulting at less stacks).

Acheron prefers ATK % boots not because she is Ult loaded because, again, getting more Ults and having those Ults hit harder is not much of a difference. It's because SPD increases the number of Ults she gets a proportionally smaller amount than with normal characters due to part of her "energy" being ally tied; it's a similar logic to how counter characters don't run SPD because less of their damage is affected by the number of actions they take. Feixiao follows this logic as well, so ATK % Boots intuitively makes more sense.

That said, what makes Feixiao a bit weird in this department is twofold:

1. her base ATK is kinda garbage, so ATK % is less of an increase than normal (i.e., her attack is more reliant on flat ATK from gloves) unless S1.

2. The number of actions she takes does have feedback effects on ally FUAs, particularly Topaz Numby, which feedback stacks to her.

Still, I'd lean towards ATK % boots unless some calc can show otherwise, especially because +SPD is also partially devalued by her high base SPD as well (i.e., +25 SPD is +20% actions for a 125 base SPD character, but +25% actions for a 100 base SPD character).

I mean...if your damage is so high that you don't need a buffer, then the obvious thing to do is to use a buffer anyway so you can kill one target with skills/FuAs and Ult kill the other?

Also, Feixiao already has an inbuilt solution to that problem; Ult at less stacks. Unless you're going to argue you are also going to one-shot everything with a 6 stack Ult without a buffer (good luck with that), there's no reason to drop total damage in exchange for uptime because Feixiao's Ult uptime is already customizable.

It's the notaleaks video on frontpage. Was like 480k against non-Broken enemy, 800k against Broken enemy. Was a bit wonky because the enemy appears to have 2nd Break bar though.

With the current mechanics, you should be expecting ~2 turn 6 stack Ults (although a bit ambiguous due to Speed differences) and 4 turn 12 stack Ults. Most DPS Ults are balanced around 4 turn Ults (Acheron being the most major outlier), so I'm not sure where this idea that her Ult stacks slowly comes from.

Remember, Feixiao's own FUA in her Talent counts, so Feixiao and her FUA ally are both 2 attacks each per turn (assuming something like March). You are getting a variable amount of attacks out of Aventurine, but usually 1.5-ish attacks per turn out of him between FUA and Ult. That alone is usually reaching close to 6 turn Ults in 2 turns, then add in 4th member, and other stuff like March Ult and action forward, etc.

Wait for calcs. The issue with relying on Fribbels damage simulation is that it's not the best in accounting for differences in rotations (i.e., whether March Hunt or Topaz is better at generating Feixiao stacks) or uptime differences (as in, whether March can actually maintain her crit damage buff for Feixiao if the speed difference between Feixiao and March is too high).

In best case scenarios, you can immediately re-Ult with Robin after 1 action, and since Robin automatically gains a turn when exiting Ult, SPD is useless there.

In less favorable scenarios, you'd have to wait for 1 turn, but that still doesn't give her that many more actions in total because most of the time, you are still stuck in Ult with Robin (whose SPD cannot be affected).

Overall, SPD just doesn't give much benefits to Robin no matter what you do.

Sustain-wise, Luocha/Fu Xuan should both be reasonable with Feixiao. Arguably Luocha might be better due to easier to path high SPD plus Multiplication, but it's hard to say if that actually outpaces FX's crit buff.

Without Robin and RM being occupied, I'd assume her best partner after that might be high speed Pela (due to high number of attacks)? Not 100% sure, but that'd be my best guess.

FUA partners, Jade E1 is totally fine to do here, even without considering the free Hunt March.

Overall, it might still be workable, I think we'd have to wait for calcs/beta numbers settling to see how much her premium team matters.

Depending on Robin Ult timing, Robin can generate up to 5 free stacks of Feixiao Ult per her own Ult due to the AV advance (2x Feixiao, 2x FUA ally, 1x sustain). Even if you are assuming a Harmony is fully basic attacking during the same time frame of Robin Ult and has 160 SPD, they will only be generating 2-3-ish stacks, so Robin Ult has more value for stack generation.

There's some nuance given Robin's slow speed outside of Ult as well and some weird timing restrictions (some AV loss based on when exactly abilities are timed, and what restrictions your FUAs actually have to be triggered), but it should give an idea that Robin's Ult itself makes up a lot of free stacks to compensate for her being AFK a lot of the time.

Feixiao does not benefit that much from BE. She cares about the weakness broken state (so RM still has some synergy due to Toughness damage), but she does not deal Superbreak damage, nor does she benefit much from the Break DoTs, so BE has minimal effect on her.

You don't necessarily need a FUA partner for Feixiao to work, but it's a huge advantage for Ult uptime.

On the flipside, the free E3+ Hunt March should mean everyone has a possible partner for Feixiao already. So that FUA partner does not necessarily mean Topaz, although Topaz has potentially the best results.

Re: Ratio, Feixiao does not require E1S1 Topaz. Ratio requires Topaz investment because Ratio has debuff requirements. Feixiao does not care what type of attacks are paired with her, as long as they are frequent, so you don't need that same level of Topaz investment.

Bronya gains slightly better benefits from Bronya LC than Sparkle does due to the energy regen actually mattering and Bronya running into more SP problems (even with Bronya E1). That said, it depends more on usage rate than anything, since if you're using Sparkle far more, the benefits of giving her a better LC would outweigh the synergistic benefit of Bronya with her LC.

I use an ATK % Orb on my HTB. They still have 4k HP. You're likely fine.

I'm personally not a fan of how Project Moon does combat design, but there's plenty of people who love it and it's worth trying out anyway.

That said, unlike a lot of gachas based on previous properties, Limbus Company is pretty tightly tied to established setting details and extends it further (it helps to know stuff like what Abnormalities are or things like that). So it's also not a bad idea to just try other games in the series instead or watch an LP of those games to get a feel for the story. It's very possible to play Limbus Company as a story game standalone if you're willing to do some wiki reading, but I also don't think there's a reason to hard commit to a gacha when there's lots of other games in the setting that are also interwoven first.

(If you decide to go on the previous game routes instead, I'd recommend Library of Ruina for this purpose. It's not exactly the perfect starting point because it has a fair number of references to Lobotomy Corporation, but it's still mostly understandable, and Lobotomy Corporation is more of an acquired taste in terms of gameplay/punishment. LoR is also the game that first started expanding on a lot of the setting details, as LC was much more of a self-contained, personal level story.

That said, for either game, make sure to add various QoL mods for those games, as "the difficulty spike is vertical" is a common meme amongst Project Moon fans for a reason.).

It's kind of weird in that 90% of the game is button mashy stuff or just small technicals, but optimizing the last bit runs into some....jank tech, to put it lightly (Dodgeparry, actually useful switch cancels, a lot of weird unlisted stuff like how Zhu Yuan's combo structure works, etc.).

Think it's a case of them not having being clear on the descriptions for conditional cases. The number of FUAs is not sourced in the calculations, and that ultimately decides whether Birth of the Self is worth running or not. Any calculation surrounding that will be inaccurate anyway, since it will depend on the exact HP you are facing, and whether it's enabled by other members or Hypercarry Herta or things like that.

That said, Birth of Self is something of a corner case LC and not really worth going after in Herta because it's really only useful at specific scenarios/HP thresholds.

It's cause when you're in the highest optimization range and already 0 cycling everything, there's nothing more to claim "improvement" on in terms of time, so now the question becomes "so how cheap is this 0 cycle clear".

She shares the base March 7th level, so Ascension materials are the same as hers as well, trace materials is the Penacony hunt materials. Build is Musketeer/Rutilent, with Crit chance or Crit damage chest, Speed boots, Img % sphere, ATK % rope.