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[Meta] Mods are humans and mistakes and that is okay ,what is not okay is the mods not holding themselves to the same standard.
[Meta] Mods are humans and mistakes and that is okay ,what is not okay is the mods not holding themselves to the same standard.
META

It is with a surprised and saddened heart that I have to make a post calling out poor conduct by the mods today. Conduct quiet frankly that is shocking because the mods of this sub are usually top notch. This sub is held in high esteem due to a huge part because of the work of the mods. Which is greatly appreciated and encouraged.

However; mods are still only humans and make mistakes. Such as happened today. Which is fine and understandable. Modding this sub probably is a lot of work and they have their normal lives on top of it. However doubling down on mistakes is something that shouldn't be tolerated by the community of this sub. As the quality of the mods is what makes this sub what it is. If the mods of this sub are allowed to go downhill then that will be the deathkneel of this sub and the quality information that comes out of it. Which is why as a community we must hold them to the standards they have set and call them out when they have failed...such as today.

And their failure isn't in the initial post in question. That in the benefit of doubt is almost certainly a minor whoopsie from the mod not thinking very much about what they were doing before posting one of their boiler plate responses. That is very minor and very understandable.

What is not minor and not as understandable is their choice to double down and Streisand effect a minor whoopsie into something that now needs to be explicitly called out. It is also what is shocking about the behavior of the mods today as it was a real minor mix up that could have easily been solved.

Now with the context out of the way the post in question for those who did not partake in the sub earlier today is here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1cyp0ed/why_was_the_western_frontier_such_a_big_threat/l5bw5uq/?context=3

The mod almost certainly in their busy day didn't stop and evaluate the question as they should. Saw it vaguely related to a type of question that comes up frequently in this sub and thus just copied and pasted one of their standard boiler plate bodies of text for such an occasion. However, mods are human and like all humans made a mistake. Which is no big deal.

The mod was rightfully thoroughly downvoted over 10 posts from different users hitting from many different angles just how wrong the mod was were posted. They were heavily upvoted. And as one might expect they are now deleted while the mod's post is still up. This is the fact that is shameful behavior from the mods and needs to be rightfully called out.

The mod's post is unquestionably off topic, does not engage with the question and thus per the mods own standards is to be removed. Not the posts calling this out.

As per the instructions of another mod on the grounds of "detracting from OPs question" this is a topic that should handled elsewhere. And thus this post. Which ironically only increases the streisand effect of the original whoopsy.

The mods of the sub set the tone of the sub and their actions radiate down through to the regular users so this is a very important topic despite starting from such a small human error. This sub is one of the most valuable resources on reddit with trust from its users as to the quality of the responses on it. Which is why often entire threads are nuked at the drop of a hat. The mod's post is one of those threads that is to be nuked yet is not. So this is a post calling on the mods to own up to their mistakes, admit their human and hold themselves accountable to the standards they themselves have set.