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How does calibre of play compare to NFL?
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How does calibre of play compare to NFL?

I'm still very much an NFL Noob, and I haven't watched a real season of NFL yet, UFL has been my first foray into football.

I can definitely see how a team like the roughnecks or maybe renegades might not be able to even compete at NFL levels, but a team like Stallions or Battlehawks, even Panthers or Brahmas - they seem like relatively strong teams.

For those more experienced - is the level of play on par? Totally off?


Recapping the entire 2024 NFL Draft
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Recapping the entire 2024 NFL Draft
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The 2024 NFL Draft is in the books and it’s time to recap all the action. Thursday started off pretty chalky until the Atlanta Falcons sent shockwaves across the internet when they selected Washington quarterback Michael Penix Jr. eighth overall. We didn’t see a defensive player selected until pick number 15. Late in the first round leading into day two, we saw a big run on wide receivers, which the depth of the class was illustrated by 35 total names coming off the board. Offensive tackle came in close behind that with 27 selected and cornerback actually edged out the WRs by one more taken (36), as the two other quality position groups. The big surprise was that we didn’t just get six quarterbacks inside the top-12 to set a new record, but then it took 138 additional spots before we got to QB7.

In this article, I’m going to break down the biggest winners and losers from the weekend, which can be teams overall in terms of the hauls they put together, individual players, coaches or general managers. After that, we’re getting to the biggest steals and reaches, based my individual rankings, consensus boards and general circumstances. All of this of course comes with a certain level of subjectivity and it’ll be another three years before we can make any definitive statements on these new members of the NFL, but I strongly believe in team-building through the draft, understanding where you can acquire value, how to maneuver around the board and how this piece fits into the puzzle, as you consider the way you’ve positioned yourself coming in and the vision behind the operation.

Let’s get into it:

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Winners:

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Pittsburgh Steelers

We have back-to-back appearances by the Steelers and I thought this year they knocked it out of the park even more so this year. And we saw their draft reflect very well how one term has dictated their entire offseason – patience. It showed in the way they spent a sixth-rounder (who could bump up a couple of rounds based on playing time) for a QB room of Russell Wilson and Justin Fields, who cost them 4.5 million dollars this year. They signed a couple of starters at key spots in linebacker Patrick Queen and safety DeShon Elliott under expected value and while the late-round pick-swap paired with the Diontae Johnson-for-Donte Jackson trade isn’t a net plus, it feels like they had a player there who didn’t fit in with the culture anymore.

As for this draft class, of their first five picks (20, 51, 84, 98 and 119), all of the players they selected were (in some cases significantly) higher on my personal big board compared to where they got them. Washington’s Troy Fautanu became OT6 selected as someone with elite movement skills, projecting well as someone who can offer positional versatility, even if the raw strength isn’t quite up there with the guys ahead of him. Then they came back in the second round and got what arguably was the best pure center in the class, if not for breaking his leg at the end of the college season, in West Virginia’s Zach Frazier, who is a perfect fit for new OC Arthur Smith implementing his outside zone-based run scheme. Michigan’s Roman Wilson at one point was projected to be a potential surprise pick at the end of the first round with how he was routing everybody up during Senior Bowl week, coming from an environment that didn’t lend itself to major production, but he was the guy the Wolverines relied upon when they needed to move the chains (38 of his 48 receptions last season resulted in either a first down or touchdown). I had a late first-round grade purely based on the tape of N.C. State linebacker Payton Wilson, who brings premiere speed, play-making skills and effort, but saw his career marked by injuries until becoming the ACC Defensive Player of the Year in 2023. And while they already had a couple of veteran guards under contract for this year still, South Dakota State’s Mason McCormick was an absolute ass-kicker in the run game for the FCS champion Jackrabbits, then had basically a flawless week of Shrine Bowl practices, especially in one-on-one pass-pro drills, and ultimately finished with a top-ten relative athletic score (9.97) for guards.

Iowa interior D-lineman Logan Lee (178th overall) and Ryan Watts (195th overall) also both feel very much like Steelers players in reserve roles. So not only did they probably find a starting receiver and linebacker as rookies, I mentioned this on social media, who a little more than a calendar year ago, Pittsburgh probably had a bottom-three offensive line and now they’ve literally improved all six spots, if including their primary backup.

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Aidan O’Connell & Gardner Minshew

I’ll get to the validity of the six quarterbacks who were ultimately selected in the top-12, but coming into last Thursday night, if you replace the Giants with the surprising Falcons, there were seven teams in the market for a young signal-caller in that range plus the Raiders at pick 13. As it turned out, they were the ones to miss out on the group. Personally, I thought there was a good chance they might trade up, if the Commanders preferred North Carolina’s Drake Maye compared to LSU’s Jayden Daniels, since new head coach Antonio Pierce has the connection with the reigning Heisman Trophy winner from the days of being involved in his recruitment at Arizona State. As it turned out, Las Vegas didn’t end up moving, despite reports on them trying trade up as high as second overall, and with the record-setting six names selected until the Silver and Black were on the clock, they instead got the final one of the four premier pass-catchers in Georgia tight-end/all-purpose weapon Brock Bowers.

However, it didn’t stop there. The Raiders actively passed on possible options with all of their final seven picks (one in each round, other than two in the seventh). In fact, there was a 138-pick gap between QB6 and QB7 – which I’ll get to more later on – and I personally think all five of the remaining guys drafted (even if Tennessee’s Joe Milton III is objectively pretty raw) had starter traits, at least in relation to Aidan O’Connell and Gardner Minshew, who along with Anthony Brown – an undrafted free agent from two years ago – and Carter Bradley (South Carolina) as their own UDFA pickup following Saturday, make up that quarterback room. Instead, along with Bowers 13th overall, they brought in my personal top-ranked center Jackson Powers-Johnson from Oregon (44th overall), a long and athletic tackle/guard developmental prospect in Maryland’s Delmar Glaze (77th overall) and later on what might be the best pass-catching back in this draft in New Hampshire’s Dylan Laube (206th overall).

So not only did Vegas miss out on the top of the class of signal-callers, but they didn’t even take a shot on anybody else outside of what I look at as a potential QB3 as a UDFA and then they spent their picks in the first three rounds on another offensive weapon and addressed the O-line, along with upgrading their third-down back with Laube, in my opinion. I thought O’Connell showed some real signs last season, even though he may be somewhat limited, and Minshew did nearly lead the Colts to a playoff berth, even if the tape showed obvious flaws. So for the Raiders to come out of this draft with no real competition to those guys has be counted as a massive W for them – although I think they were a perfect candidate to take at least a day-three swing on someone.

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The university of Michigan

Two years ago, I talked about Kirby Smart and the Georgia Bulldogs, when they set a new record for most players selected off one team in a year with 15. After them, there are two college programs with 14 each (2004 Ohio State and 2020 LSU), before the Wolverines come in at 13 total names. As you look at that list, the big difference between them and the other groups in that range, is that they’re the only one of 14 teams with 11+ guys drafted, who didn’t have multiple first-round picks. That speaks to the kind of infrastructure they’ve built, where they don’t rely on individual star players, have guys coming back for their senior years in order to compete for a championship and still set themselves up for a future in the pros.

Quarterback J.J. McCarthy went 10th overall to the Vikings, which was slightly lower than betting services had it, but like two rounds higher than where many people considered him when Michigan won the National Championship in early January. So that speaks to the fact their style of play offensively, which makes the quarterback more of a complementary piece, doesn’t necessarily hurt more potential high recruits at that position, while not as much is put on their plate. They quickly turned Mike Sainristil from a wide receiver into arguably the top pure nickelback in the class and the 50th overall selection (Commanders), interior D-lineman Kris Jenkins Jr. went a pick earlier (Bengals) despite limited production in more of a read-and-react style of front, Jim Harbaugh himself (Chargers) grabbed Junior Colson as LB2 off the board, A.J. Barner was a fourth-round pick as somewhat of a one-dimensional player because they turned himself into the top blocking tight-end in the class and even guard Zak Zinter was a third-rounder despite breaking his tibia and fibula.

The two guys that went a little later than I might’ve expected were running back Blake Corum (83rd overall), who was recovering from a torn ACL but will be sharing the Rams backfield with who many comped him to in Kyren Williams, and Roman Wilson (84th overall), who landed in the pre-eminent spot for mid-round wide receiver production in Pittsburgh. The only prospects I had draftable grades on who didn’t get selected were center Drake Nugent and edge defender Braiden McGregor. And even with those two, you see a path why they wouldn’t hear their names called, due to size and injury concerns respectively. So the Wolverines check the three key factors for high school recruits – a top-ten university in terms of education according to Time Magazine, a proven winner (40-3 record over the past three seasons combined) and now also an NFL machinery, under the leadership of former offensive coordinator Sherrone Moore taking over for Jim.

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Green Bay Packers

Looking through some draft grades out there, just for fun, I couldn’t that they were middle of the road at best, when I think you can make a strong case that the only class you should put above theirs is the already discussed Steelers. Simply from a process perspective, they came into Thursday with one pick in the first round, two in the second, two in the third, one in the fourth and fifth each, plus two in the sixth and seventh each. Ultimately, they moved back four spots in the second round (from 41 to 45) and in return – through multiple other trades – they moved up 11 spots in the fourth round and 56 spots from the sixth to the fifth round (from 219 to 163). Based on that alone, the accrued value, before we even get to the names they used that capital on.

Now, the first round is where some people may arguably they slightly reached on Arizona’s Jordan Morgan, who is argued to be moving inside to guard because his arms came in an eighth of an inch short of the general 33-benchmark, but he has some of the best mirror skills and ability to block on the move in this entire class, was a first-team all-conference performer in the loaded Pac-12 in a season coming off a torn ACL and was 31st on my personal big board, compared pick 25, where they ended up selecting him, as the seventh of nine offensive taken in the first round. In the second, they addressed their two biggest defensive needs, with Texas A&M’s Edgerrin Cooper (45th overall), as an uber-athletic, long linebacker to pair up with a former first-rounder in Quay Walker, and a teammate of the second-year breakout from Georgia in Javon Bullard (58th overall), who has plenty of quality experience as a nickel and deep safety, as a potential upgrade over Darnell Savage, who left in free agency. In the third round, they selected what I believe is the most talented all-around running back in Marshawn Lloyd (88th overall), in terms of short-area explosiveness, start-stop ability and power, if he can fix his ball-security issues, and what I consider their only questionable selection in Missouri linebacker Ty’Ron Hopper, who brings a lot of speed and violence to the table, but still needs to learn how to read blocking schemes and clean up his massive missed tackle rate.

Day three is where they really won be over however. They got a couple of my personal favorites at the safety position in Oregon’s Evan Williams (111th overall) and Oregon State’s Kitan Oladapo (169th), who I personally had 11th and fourth(!) in my rankings at the position. They played in fairly similar systems and it might give us some insight into what new defensive coordinator Jeff Hafley has planned, as they’re both excellent in two-high structures, where they can read and drive on what’s in front of them, but can also drop down into the slot against bigger bodies. Duke’s Jacob Monk (163rd overall) I got to late in the process, but really liked his physicality and experience at both guard and center. Georgia State tackle Travis Glover (202nd overall) is a lot rawer, but has some developmental qualities. And then their two seventh-rounders are definitely worth taking shots on – I’ll go into more detail about Tulane QB Michael Pratt in the “steals” segment and Penn State corner Kalen King was still projected to be a potential first-rounder a year ago, before plummeting since then.

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Bryce Young

While I already discussed Raiders quarterbacks Aidan O’Connell and Gardner Minshew as big winners, based on strengthened job security and opportunity to start for their team, that was never a discussion with last year’s first overall pick Bryce Young. However, even though Panthers owner David Tepper had another infamous moment hours before the draft actually started and I have questions about the class they acquired overall, in terms of helping their guy under center, I’d argue nobody has had a better offseason than Bryce. Before we even got to the actual draft, they hired former Bucs offensive coordinator Dave Canales as their new head coach, after helping resurrect the career of another former number one pick in Baker Mayfield. In free agency, they spent an average of 33.25 million dollars on a new guard tandem with Robert Hunt and Damien Lewis, to slow down the interior pass-rush that was seemingly omnipresent this past season, and then they trade cornerback Donte Jackson for former Steeler Diontae Johnson (combine with a late-round pick swap), who has been a low-end WR1 when healthy.

Heading into Thursday night, the Panthers weren’t even slated to pick due to trading up for Young a year ago, but they moved up one spot – which once again can be questioned in terms of their process behind it – in order to get South Carolina’s Xavier Legette with the final selection of round one. At 6’1”, 220 pounds, he can own the catch-point thanks to his physicality paired with 32-inch arms and a 40-inch vertical. Yet, he also becomes a locomotive with the ball in his hands capable of dragging defensive backs along, if he doesn’t just turn on the jets with that 4.39 speed. You don’t love the late breakout profile and he still needs some refinement as a route-runner, but understanding his background and why it took him a little longer, you at least like to bet on that of skill-set. Once again, I’m not sure if I love the idea of trading up for a running back in the second round, at least not ten spots ahead of the Cowboys as the one team where their owner was also yapping too much that they were “high, high, high” on Texas’ Jonathon Brooks (46th overall), but aside from the torn ACL he suffered in November, he was the top RB on many teams’ boards. He brings that gliding running style with excellent balance that should make him a better pure rusher than any of the guys they already had on the roster, plus then you really like his receiving profile, having caught 25 passes for nearly 300 yards in 11 games last season. And then, with the first pick of day three they selected another former Longhorn in tight-end/H-back Ja’Tavion Sanders. Similarly to teammate Adonai Mitchell falling, there were some unnamed character concerns that led to him being available at least a full round later where he was projected to go, because he was my 42nd overall prospect purely based on tape and will once again be discussed more extensively in the “steals” segment, as someone who can threaten the seams and be a run-after-catch specialist.

So now all of a sudden, Adam Thielen in year 34 season won’t be the number one option but potentially all the way down at fourth. Canales will bring more creativity compared to the elementary passing concepts they relied upon during Bryce’s rookie campaign, they now have guys that can stretch the field horizontally as well as vertically, and their QB can actually stand in the pocket and see over the line instead of having the integrity of the pocket disrupted constantly.

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~Other drafts I liked:~

Arizona Cardinals

Buffalo Bills

Denver Broncos

New York Giants

Philadelphia Eagles

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Atlanta Falcons

This of course has to start with the pick that lit the NFL world on fire, as they shocked everybody by drafting Washington quarterback Michael Penix Jr. eighth overall. I will go more into detail on most of these quarterbacks in the “reaches” segment, but for the context of this, I had the runner-up for the Heisman Trophy 40 spots lower on my personal big board. So I think you could make a case for him to be a late first-rounder at least based on the benefit of a potential fifth-year option, but that’s the smallest issue here. Just 45 days before the draft kicked off, they signed free agent Kirk Cousins to a four-year, 180-million-dollar contract. That’s coming off a torn Achilles he suffered mid-season and while I’ve heard some people argue that this can be looked at as quarterback insurance, if they didn’t think the veteran would be ready by week one, how can you justify handed out a deal like that? And you’re actually facing disciplinary action from openly tampering with the guy!

I had high expectations for Atlanta’s offense going into this past season, but when they struggled to consistently move the ball, I thought Penix’s aggressive downfield passing could elevate them. That doesn’t however match with a situation where neither the rookie nor the veteran will be particularly comfortable under these circumstances. From all the people Cousins has close connections with, the words “trust” and “security” are up there at the top of the list, and don’t tell me that this is just like the Jordan Love situation – Sure, it was also surprising, but a disconnect between Rodgers and Packers was already developing and they drafted his eventual replacement 26th overall while making clear that this was a future investment into the 22-year-old. Cousins had barely settled in yet, there’s a real chance he may not be ready until the late parts of the offseason – when everybody in the organization has watched Penix sling it around at practice – and they used a premium pick on Penix just over a week before he turns 24. And the statement by general manager Terry Fontenot on Penix potentially “sitting him four or five year being a great thing” is just asinine, because that would entirely defeat the benefit or a rookie quarterback – which is already limited even if they take the earliest exit on Cousins two years from now, which still comes with 100 million dollars guaranteed – and that you still might have very limited tape on a top-ten pick in live action, aside from the fact of course this comes with opportunity cost of having selected their choice of the top defender in the draft or maybe having traded down. I could have listed easily listed Cousins here as well or the rest of that roster now having to deal with that distraction.

Now, while that’s the main crux here, I was also scratching my head when they traded up eight spots in the second round for Clemson interior D-lineman Ruke Orhorhoro (35th overall) in exchange for moving down 107 spots from the third to the sixth round. He could turn into a really useful player with alignment versatility, thanks to how low he plays, his combination of length, short-area quickness and play demeanor, but how he counters double-teams and approaches the initial phase of pass-rush reps still clearly need work. I actually had him slightly higher than consensus boards, but that was still 23 spots later than where he was ultimately selected. The rest of the prospects they picked came at appropriate value I thought, even though I didn’t have draftable grades on the final two, but they also didn’t draft one of their two main needs on defense – corner. When asked about it Fontenot ironically responded by saying “you don't want to reach in the draft”, when the pick they traded up from in the second round ended up being Rutgers DB Max Melton, who I and consensus boards had higher than Ruke for example.

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Miles Sanders

In terms of more specific NFL veteran players, there aren’t a lot of guys who have seen a bigger fall from grace over the last calendar year than Miles Sanders. Now, this by no means is writing off his career entirely and I’m not going to act like he was set up for success under Frank Reich and Thomas Brown bouncing play-calling duties back and forth last season. However, after rushing for well over 1200 yards and 11 touchdowns behind the tremendous Eagles offensive line and being part of their run at a Super Bowl the year prior, Sanders went for just 432 yards on the ground and found the end-zone once, whilst averaging an abysmal 3.3 yards per carry. That was after the Panthers handed a four-year, 25.4-million-dollar deal and the only real competition on the roster being Chuba Hubbard. With what new head coach Dave Canales was able to get out of Rachaad White in Tampa Bay last season, there’s still a chance that Sanders can earn trust as the lead-back for this offense that added a bunch of other pieces, as I already mentioned, but that’s not the message this operation is currently sending and competition just got a lot stiffer.

It’s not just that Carolina selected Texas running back Jonathon Brooks in the second round, but they actually moved up six spots 46th overall to make sure they’d get RB1 off the board, jumping the Giants who might’ve been in the market for the position – they ultimately waited until the fifth round. Personally, I had Florida State’s Trey Benson as the top player at the position, but if Brooks wasn’t coming off a torn ACL, he would’ve been inside the 50 highest-ranked players overall for me. He may not an elite top gear, but he gets up to speed very quickly, is an efficient mover in his transitions, navigates well through condensed space as well as around bodies in the open field, with the contact balance to pull through loose wraps. In terms of the pass game, he wasn’t asked to run an overly complex route-tree, but he can be deceptive in his body-language, he has natural hands and consistently made the first man miss after the catch. So while some of the limitations that Sanders showed with the Eagles showed in terms of not being able to turn 10-15 yard runs into long touchdowns, I see more from him in terms of working in foot-fakes and pulling his legs out of the grasp of would-be tacklers as individual qualities. And watching how he made use of double-teams and pullers as part of Texas’ GT power plays, I like his projection into more of a gap-scheme run game which Canales will emphasize.

Along with Brooks, I also like the big-play potential Jaden Shirden from Monmouth provides as an undrafted free agent. It’ll be a long road to make the actual final 53, but I could see him getting elevated from the practice squad on a few occasions and demand a handful of touches, to go along with the rest of the bodies they had in Carolina last year already.

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Kalen King & Leonard Taylor

There are two players in this draft who were projected to be likely first-round picks heading into the 2023 college football season and now actually both declared as true juniors. Penn State’s Kalen King was up there with Iowa’s Cooper DeJean and Alabama’s Kool-Aid McKinstry, who ultimately went back-to-back at the 40th and 41st overall selection, as the top corner prospects. Meanwhile, Miami’s Leonard Taylor was much more of a projection guy, but in terms of movement skills and flashes of dominance he showed on the interior defensive line, there was a lot to like, if he had continued on his developmental track. Yet, King barely squeezed in on day three as the third-to-last pick of the entire event (255th overall), while Taylor didn’t get a call until Mr. Irrelevant had already been announced, and he has since signed with the Jets. Let’s talk about how they got here individually.

During summer scouting, I had landed on King as my CB2 heading into the year and really appreciated his scrappy style of play. While he obviously didn’t come in with the same kind of length or NFL bloodlines as Joey Porter Jr. (33rd overall pick by the Steelers in 2023), watching Penn State tape, he was the better all-around corner. On 59 targets his way, he only allowed 27 completions on 5.8 yards pass thrown his way and one touchdown compared to three interceptions plus 18(!) PBUs, without getting penalized once. The numbers weren’t remarkably worse on fewer looks, but the ball-production dropped off dramatically, without any picks and just two PBUs. More importantly however, I thought the competitiveness toughness and aggressiveness he put on display was sub-par, highlighted by getting roasted by Ohio State’s Marvin Harrison Jr. for a second straight year, but approaching the matchup with more disinterest I felt. Then came the pre-draft process and I’m not sure if I’ve ever seen a prospect tank his stock as much as King. King lost pretty much every single rep during Senior Bowl practices, where he just showed no confidence in his technique and regularly got blown by. Then he went to the combine and ran a 4.61, which reinforced concerns about his long-speed considering his 10-yard split was at least average.

As for Taylor, I was somewhat indifferent on his projection to the NFL, because he was so all over the place technically, his play-recognition and overall consistency. Nevertheless, I did see the potential and high-level moments on his tape. I’m not going to act like he was put in position to succeed all the time, in terms of alignment, what he was asked to do and to some degree probably his player developmental. With that being said, I saw basically no progression in 2023 or things that translate to the next level, with the flashes of dominance became less frequent. Both his number of sacks and tackles for loss were cut down to a third of their ’22 totals (3.5 and one respectively), while his PFF pass-rush productivity was nearly cut in half, down from 9.4 to 5.8. You see him just shoot into the backfield and blow plays up every once in a while when he was allow to attack upfield and you see him ride offensive linemen into the quarterback a few times, but he just doesn’t seem to really know what he’s doing out there yet. Then he went to the combine and for a supposedly freaky athlete, Taylor finished in the 40th percentile or worse in all the combine drills he participated in (excluding short-shuttle and bench press).

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The old Eagles corner room

I’ll leave it up to you here if you want to look at the word “old” as in the former or their actual age, but considering how long those guys have been in the league by now, both are very fair. Looking at the personnel moves by Eagles general manager Howie Roseman, the two they would definitely like to take back in retrospect were veteran cornerbacks Darius Slay and James Bradberry, who both received three-year contracts last offseason worth a combined 80 million dollars, with more than half of that number fully guaranteed. By the time this season rolls around, they’ll be 33 and 31 years old respectively and you saw them show their age this past year, as they went from both being Pro Bowlers to below-average starters, which particularly in Bradberry’s case can be considered a mild description. Yet, understanding where this franchise is, with a lot of cap hits of younger plays they’ve built the foundation around about to hit in future years, they didn’t let those financial implications affect their draft investments too much. They took the first corner off the board in Toledo’s Quinyon Mitchell (22nd overall), without having to move up ten spots potentially, which was about where he was projected to be taken, and then they did actually move up ten spots in round two with their division rival Commanders to take advantage of the falling Cooper DeJean from Iowa (40th overall), who was considered a consensus day one guy, even if there was discussion about his ultimate position fit.

Mitchell was CB1 for me and the majority of people in the industry, finishing as the 12th overall prospect on consensus boards. Yet, with the first defensive player not coming off the board until pick 15 (UCLA edge defender Laiatu Latu to the Colts), in large part due to teams wanting to get their hands on the top wide receivers and tackles, along with the six QBs inside the top-12, this pushed everybody else down the board. You can read more about Mitchell as a steal in the next segment, but he was a superstar in the MAC who absolutely rocked this pre-draft process and if he played at a major program, he would’ve most likely been a top-ten pick in the majority of drafts. Meanwhile, DeJean was a bit more of a divisive name, because there was no consensus on where his best spot in the secondary may ultimately be. He almost exclusively lined up at outside corner this past season, but operated out of the slot regularly the year and at a little over six-foot, 205 pounds with his type of football IQ and spatial awareness as a zone defender, you could also project him to play some safety at the next level. With how well he tested and moved around during the Iowa pro day however, it felt like he secured himself a spot in the first round, which he was always projected to go in anyway, even coming off a leg injury.

Both of them project really well into a match-zone scheme under new defensive coordinator Vic Fangio, where they play off and trigger on what happens in front of them, since that’s what they were mainly asked to do in college as well. That’s why both of Philly’s veteran corners are put on notice, while DeJean could also push starting nickel Avonte Maddox, who they brought back for this season at a two-million-dollar price tag.

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Alec Pierce & Juju Smith-Schuster

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The rest of the analysis can be found here!

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~Other drafts I have questions about:~

Carolina Panthers

Dallas Cowboys

Jacksonville Jaguars

New York Jets

Tennessee Titans

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Steals:

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Quinyon Mitchell, CB, Toledo – 22****nd overall to the Eagles

There are obviously draft picks who went several spots later than where they were projected to come off the board and present better net-plus in terms of value, but when we can all agree that Quinyon was a steal in the first round even, we have to outline him here. This was my as well as the number one corner across and tenth overall prospect, while sitting two spots lower on consensus board. If you take into account the medical history UCLA edge defender Laiatu Latu (15th to the Colts), a strong case be made that Mitchell was the top defensive player on the board, yet with the rest of the league going offense only until the middle of the round and then focusing on the defensive front, he somehow makes it down to Philly. Some people actually had GM Howie Roseman trading up by around ten spots in order to get him, because they really needed to inject some youth into that corner room – as I already went over earlier – yet they stay patient and address their biggest need at great value without having to invest additional resources. He’s a perfect fit for Vic Fangio with his ability to click-and-close on routes from off-alignment and I think he has All-Pro potential.

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The rest of the analysis can be found here!

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Jer’Zhan Newton, IDL, Illinois – 36****th overall to the Commanders

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Adonai Mitchell, WR, Texas – 52****nd overall to the Colts

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Christian Haynes, IOL, UConn – 81****st overall to the Seahawks

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Ja’Tavion Sanders, TE, Texas – 101****st overall to the Panthers

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T.J. Tampa, CB, Iowa State – 130****th overall to the Ravens

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Spencer Rattler, QB, South Carolina – 150****th overall to the Saints

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Jeremiah Trotter Jr., LB, Clemson – 155****th overall to the Eagles

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Kitan Oladapo, SAF, Oregon State – 169****th overall to the Packers

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Johnny Wilson, WR, Florida State – 185****th overall to the Eagles

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Mekhi Wingo, IDL, LSU – 189****th overall to the Lions

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Michael Pratt, QB, Tulane – 245****th overall to the Packers

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~Other value picks:~

Kool-Aid McKinstry, CB, Alabama – 41st overall to the Saints

Jackson Powers-Johnson, IOL, Oregon – 44th overall to the Raiders

Ennis Rakestraw Jr., CB, Missouri – 61st overall to the Lions

Trey Benson, RB, Florida State – 66th overall to the Cardinals

Roman Wilson, WR, Michigan – 84th overall to the Steelers

Troy Franklin, WR, Oregon – 102nd overall to the Broncos

Khyree Jackson, CB, Oregon – 108th overall to the Vikings

Javon Baker, WR, UCF – 110th overall to the Patriots

Jaden Hicks, SAF, Washington State – 133rd overall to the Chiefs

Sedrick Van Pran-Granger, IOL, Georgia – 141st overall to the Bills

Tommy Eichenberg, LB, Ohio State – 148th overall to the Raiders

Mohamed Kamara, EDGE, Colorado State – 158th overall to the Dolphins

Christian Jones, OT, Texas – 162nd overall to the Cardinals

Tyrone Tracy, RB, Purdue – 166th overall to the Giants

Walter Rouse, OT, Oklahoma – 177th overall to the Vikings

Malik Washington, WR, Virginia – 184th overall to the Dolphins

D.J. James, CB, Auburn – 192nd overall to the Seahawks

Tanner McLachlan, TE, Arizona – 194th overall to the Bengals

Khristian Boyd, IDL, Northern Iowa – 199th overall to the Saints

Nathaniel Watson, LB, Mississippi State – 206th overall to the Browns

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All the first-round quarterbacks not named Caleb Williams and Drake Maye

I could have talked individually about at least three and you can make a case for all four other first-round quarterbacks here. This was a pretty unique year, because not only did we have three juniors in Caleb who won a Heisman at USC in 2022, Drake who was a quality starter for three years at North Carolina and J.J. McCarthy just helped Michigan win a national championship, with all three being top-six QBs in that recruiting class, but that was paired with three of these super seniors, who have changed schools across their six years in college and left their respective schools at the top of their games, as the top three in this past Heisman voting. Jayden Daniels (LSU) went second overall to the Commanders – over Drake Maye – when I thought he was a late first-round prospect. Michael Penix Jr. (Washington) was the big shocker at eighth overall, when I had him just inside my top-50 overall prospects. And even though the Vikings ultimately only moved up one spot for McCarthy, they did give up a fourth- and fifth-rounder for a six, in order to secure my QB6 and 64th player on the big board. They all have their warts, which I discussed extensively in my quarterback rankings, but what’s important here is that they got pushed up due to the amount of desperate teams inside the top-12, as they set a new NFL record for how early those guys came off the board. To some degree that also includes Oregon’s Bo Nix, who I’d typically be very critical of taking QB6 at 12th overall as the Broncos, but I did have him in a tier with Jayden Daniels as number 28 on my board, and they didn’t actually have to move up.

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Xavier Worthy, WR, Texas – 28****th overall to the Chiefs

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Xavier Legette, WR, South Carolina – 32****nd overall to the Panthers

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Maason Smith, IDL, LSU – 48****th overall to the Jaguars

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Patrick Paul, OT, Houston – 55****th overall to the Dolphins

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Caedan Wallace, OT, Penn State – 68****th overall to the Patriots

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Marist Liufau, LB, Notre Dame – 87****th overall to the Cowboys

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Luke McCaffrey, WR, Rice – 100****th overall to the Commanders

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Jordan Jefferson, IDL, LSU – 116****th overall to the Jaguars

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Tory Taylor, P, Iowa – 122****nd overall to the Bears

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Tarheeb Still, CB, Maryland – 136****th overall to the Chargers

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Keilan Robinson, RB, Texas – 167****th overall to the Jaguars

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Ruke Orhrhoro, IDL, Clemson – 35th overall to the Falcons

Roger Rosengarten, OT, Washington – 62nd overall to the Ravens

Matt Goncalves, OT, Pittsburgh – 79th overall to the Colts

Ty’Ron Hopper, LB, Missouri – 91st overall to the Packers

Devontez Walker, WR, North Carolina – 113th overall to the Ravens

A.J. Barner, TE, Michigan – 121st overall to the Seahawks

Giovanni Manu, OT, British Columbia – 126th overall to the Lions

Nehemiah Pritchett, CB, Auburn – 135th overall to the Seahawks

Bub Means, WR, Pittsburgh – 170th overall to the Saints

Jamal Hill, LB, Oregon – 188th overall to the Texans

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Coach Prime is only coaching Colorado to pump up his son's NFL stock
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Coach Prime is only coaching Colorado to pump up his son's NFL stock

There is no doubt that Dion Sander' greatness on the field. But he suddenly made headwaves by snatching up a couple random high level recruits and then taking the coaching gig at Colorado and immediately put his son as QB1.

While I understand as a father myself that you want to elevate your child, I do not see this Colorado stint lasting beyond the time his son is drafted to the NFL.. He brilliantly made a big splash for the media to consume even then the only marquee win was against a hapless 5-7 TCU team and ending 4-8 (1-8 in conference).

Dion only made this move to get his son to the NFL. He's not going to last as a coach at a high level...


Which NFL QBs improve the most (by passer rating) during the playoffs? (Without qualifiers)
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Which NFL QBs improve the most (by passer rating) during the playoffs? (Without qualifiers)

I looked at the top 35 active QBs by career passer rating. Then I looked at their career playoff passer ratings. Without any qualifiers, the far and away most deserving of the title Mr. January is...Jameis Winston. Who's perfect career playoff passer rating of 158.3 is 71.3 points higher than his career rating of 87.

Meanwhile, Brian Hoyer (who is still active) has a playoff rating 66.1 points lower than his regular season rating of 82. Yes, his playoff rating is 15.9. I think we can stop there, but if you want more I have the results below, ranked by most improved in the playoffs.

Also, one kinda shocking stat I learned, Wentz has only 4 career pass attempts in the playoffs.

Rank Player Rate Playoff rate Games Playoff Bump
1 Jameis Winston 87 158.3 1 71.3
2 Baker Mayfield 88.1 100.4 4 12.3
3 Geno Smith 86.6 98.9 1 12.3
4 Matthew Stafford 91 101.7 8 10.7
5 Josh Allen 92.2 100 10 7.8
6 Mitchell Trubisky 85.5 92.5 2 7
7 Marcus Mariota 89.2 94.1 2 4.9
8 Joe Flacco 84.2 87.9 16 3.7
9 Daniel Jones 85.2 87.8 2 2.6
10 Patrick Mahomes 103.5 105.8 18 2.3
11 Jalen Hurts 91.1 88.1 5 -3
12 Aaron Rodgers 103.6 100.1 21 -3.5
13 Teddy Bridgewater 90.5 86.5 1 -4
14 Kirk Cousins 98.2 93.7 4 -4.5
15 Russell Wilson 100 95.3 16 -4.7
16 Joe Burrow 98.6 93.8 7 -4.8
17 Jared Goff 93.6 88.4 9 -5.2
18 Ryan Tannehill 91.2 85.2 5 -6
19 Dak Prescott 99 91.8 7 -7.2
20 Deshaun Watson 100.8 91 3 -9.8
21 Justin Herbert 95.7 84.7 1 -11
22 Case Keenum 84.6 73.5 2 -11.1
23 Trevor Lawrence 85 72.1 2 -12.9
24 Lamar Jackson 98 75.7 6 -22.3
25 Derek Carr 92.3 69.2 1 -23.1
26 Jimmy Garoppolo 97.6 74.1 6 -23.5
27 Andy Dalton 87.6 57.8 4 -29.8
28 Tua Tagovailoa 97.1 63.9 1 -33.2
29 Tyrod Taylor 88.3 44.2 1 -44.1
30 Carson Wentz 89.4 39.6 1 -49.8
31 Kyler Murray 92.2 40.9 1 -51.3
32 Brian Hoyer 82 15.9 1 -66.1
33 Jacoby Brissett 85.3 NA 0 NA
34 Sam Darnold 78.3 NA 0 NA
35 Blaine Gabbert 71.7 NA 0 NA


[OC] With Micah Parsons and Justin Fields supposedly being considered for kick return opportunities, let’s take a look at the history of NON-SKILL PLAYER, NON-DB RETURNERS in the NFL
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[OC] With Micah Parsons and Justin Fields supposedly being considered for kick return opportunities, let’s take a look at the history of NON-SKILL PLAYER, NON-DB RETURNERS in the NFL

With these funky new kickoff rules, word is that Micah Parsons is trying to convince the Cowboys to let him get a few returns in and that the Steelers have considered putting Justin Fields back deep as well. Parsons was an awesome skill position player in high school, as were a lot of guys who play non-skill positions now, and Fields is at the point where he needs to prove his value, and that got me thinking about what the history of guys that the NFL tried to use as a returner in that vein. And because I know nobody wants to read about a bunch of old farts from the Antediluvian age who played "quarterback" back when quarterbacks actually played offensive line or whatever the fuck happened back then, I'm narrowing my field to only include the Super Bowl era.

We will be talking about players who intentionally were used as return men and who were listed at positions besides running back, wide receiver, cornerback or safety (though this can be hard to tell without access to all of the game footage, so I'm having to confirm these with secondhand accounts I can find online). So that means no Devin Hester, no Cordarrelle Patterson, no Patrick Peterson and, unfortunately, no Dan Connolly. If I break these rules to talk about something cool when I’m further along writing this, I apologize. Not.

QUARTERBACK

Starting things off strong, I want to immediately cheat the prompt by talking about Brad Smith who was listed as a quarterback but also was listed as a wide receiver but more than anything else was a freak gadgety wildcat-running type of guy (you'll notice that's a pretty common theme in this category). Brad was one of college football history's most productive rushing QBs while he was at Missouri, and he carved out a solid little niche for himself as a decently effective oddity and as a kick returner, averaging a seriously, actually good 25.7 yards per return on 112 career kick returns as well as three career return TDs.

Joe Webb was in a similar vein, a college QB at *UAB who had an NFL career as a wildcat-doer-guy-thing/kind of a wide receiver/actual NFL quarterback who sucked balls in a playoff game. Webb had a solid returning career, fielding 18 career returns for an average of 22.3 yards per return.

Everyone's favorite kind of infuriatingly overpaid but also admittedly very efficient swiss army knife Taysom Hill has had his fair share of kick return opportunities. Among being a quarterback, running back, tight end, fullback, wide receiver and core special teamer, he has 19 career returns for a 23.5 career return average.

Vince Evans, who started multiple seasons of Walter Payton's prime as the Bears' quarterback and went negative in TD/INT ratio in both seasons, got a few shots as a kick returner. In 1977, the season most well-known for being Walter Payton's best year as a pro, Evans fielded 8 kicks for an average of 19.5 yards per return.

In terms of punt returners, football's most notorious leg-breaker Joe Theismann actually began his career as a punt returner, and weirdly enough, that is not a joke. Seems weird to me, to be honest. But he wasn't bad at it at all, averaging 10.5 yards per return on 15 returns as a rookie in 1974.

Former Appalachian State superstar and future CFL decent second receiving option Armanti Edwards got a decent shot at the Panthers' punt return job, fielding 40 punts for an average of 7 yards per return. In the NFL, he really did nothing more than run a few wildcat plays and mostly not be very good at doing so.

XFL legend BJ Daniels also got a few shots with the Texans and Seahawks in his one season as an active roster member, averaging just five yards per return on five attempts.

I feel like Brian Mitchell probably deserves a shoutout here, or something, maybe? He had 18 career pass attempts, a bunch of random assorted rushes and receptions, but more than anything he, like Josh Cribbs or Brad Smith or Joe Webb after him, was a college quarterback, a square peg in a round hole. An incredible athlete with great skill who never found a home anywhere but as a returner.

TIGHT END

St. Louis Cardinals Hall of Famer Jackie Smith was the backup for basically every position on the offense and special teams. He was one of the best receiving tight ends in the NFL (his 1967 season is still one of the best era-adjusted tight end seasons ever), he was a phenomenal blocker, he compiled over 320 career rushing yards, he had three career pass attempts, he had 127 career punts, and was used as an emergency kick returner with a respectable career average of 20.6 yards per attempt. Low key, one of the most versatile players in NFL history.

Probably the most famous tight end to moonlight as a kick returner was Hall of Famer John Mackey, who was used sparingly in very strategic moments but averaged a (in that era, and frankly in any era) pretty remarkable 30.1 yards per return in his career.

Hall of Famer Ozzie Newsome had two punt returns in his career, averaging 14.5 yards per return.

Delanie Walker is the University of Central Missouri's all-time kick return touchdown leader, and he got a shot as a young pup with the 49ers. He wasn't particularly great at this, in 2008 where he got a serious share of the returns and he averaged under 20 yards per return on 13 attempts. But honestly, not too bad.

Niles Paul was a somewhat promising young tight end before injuries stole his career away, the hybrid receiver-tight end had 41 career returns for an average of 19.9 yards per return.

Don Bass had a solid career as a tight end for the Bengals, with over 1580 career receiving yards in a three-year span. He got seven returns in 1978, for an average of 19.7 yards per attempt.

Journeyman tight end from the 70s Jim Thaxton got a shot to return kicks in 1976, doing a solid job and averaging 24.1 yards per return.

Roland Moss had a short three year NFL career across four different teams from 1969-1971, but in 1970 the Bills and Chargers tried to get the big athlete on the field on special teams, letting him take 7 kick returns for an 18.7 yard average.

Nate Turner was a weird fullback, tight end, wide receiver, running back returner guy who got a bit of a shot with the Bills in 1993, averaged 17 yards per attempts at a whopping 255 pounds.

Gotta mention Brian Kozlowski, a career special teamer who racked up 29 career kick returns despite never actually being used as a dedicated returner.

LINEBACKER

Good news for Micah Parsons, the Cowboys have a history of letting their uber-athlete linebackers return kicks. Thomas "Hollywood" Henderson was a notorious pretty boy and total physical marvel who could run like a receiver, he had four returns in 1975 including a goddamn 97-YARD TOUCHDOWN RETURN. Badass!

Steelers Hall of Famer Andy Russell was a phenomenal all-around athlete, 7x Pro Bowler, made an extra point attempt in 1966, and got a chance in 1967 to return some kicks, collecting 97 yards on 6 returns.

John Henry Mills was a strange little chimera of a player, he was officially listed as a linebacker but basically never played there, and only had a few offensive snaps to his name. He was more or less a career kick coverage guy, making a Pro Bowl as a special teamer in 1996 with the Oilers. in 1993 and 1994 he combined for 26 returns for an average of 19.7 yards.

Avon Riley was a starting linebacker for the Oilers in the mid-80's, he got some opportunities as an emergency returner, averaging 24.2 yards across five attempts.

Jonas Lewis, honestly hard to get a lot of information about him. Listed as a linebacker at 5'9, 210 pounds but collected a total of 17 career tackles for the 49ers from 2000-2001. Mostly used as a kick returner, with 11 career returns for 18.9 yards per return.

Obligatory Bobby Bell reference, Hall of Famer for the Chiefs. Former college quarterback, and ran back an onside for a 53-yard touchdown in the Chiefs' first Super Bowl season in 1969.

FULLBACK

Gonna try not to include too many of the old school guys, but I'm gonna cheat real quick...

Cullen Bryant is the obvious answer here as he was somewhere between the role of being the driver of offense that the position was in the 60s and the sixth offensive linemen it would become in the 90s. He had 69 kick returns for 1813 yards and three touchdowns and 71 punt returns for 707 yards, as the 234-pounder was a primary kick returner for six years as well as being the Rams' starting fullback.

Michael Robinson, another college quarterback convert, is probably best known for developing into a really formidable lead blocker for Marshawn Lynch but actually began his career as a running back and kick returner for the 49ers, 31 career returns for 21.8 yards per return.

Rock Cartwright had a fascinating little career for the Redskins, mostly used as a reserve fullback but also got some time as a running back and mostly was used as a returner. And he was damn good at it, too! 231 career returns for an average of 23.6 yards per return in an era where that was really, really solid.

One of the most prolific weapons of the modern era from the fullback position, Larry Centers, was used as a returner from time to time. As a kick returner, he had 33 career returns for an average of 18.7 yards per return and as a punt returner he had five returns for an average of 6.0 yards per return.

The Great White Hope himself, Peyton Hillis, was in a weird spot with the Broncos early in his career. Before he became the Madden cover athlete sensation that he was with the Browns, he was a fullback and emergency running back who also was used as a kick returner, with 10 returns over a two years span for an average of 19.9 yards per return.

Harold Morrow was a fullback for the Vikings in the late 90's, had 19 total kick returns for an average of 19.1 yards per return.

That's all, folks!

This was fun! Learned a lot of stuff I never would have otherwise. Here's to Fields, Parsons, and a bunch of other bizarre return prospects getting some opportunities in this strange new return meta of the NFL.

It's the dead period now, so I'll probably post some more dumbass shit in the coming months.

Until then, so long.