[OC] Pfizer or Moderna?

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Ubermassive · 2021-01-27T02:58:10+00:00

I feel like the legend was unnecessary. You could have filled that space with a cool drawing of a snake.

tylersvgs · 2021-01-27T03:14:32+00:00

Are these reactions to the first shot, the second shot, or combined over the two doses?

Sillygosling · 2021-01-27T06:21:39+00:00

You should add a row for placebo! I was interested to see that 1/3 of the placebo subjects reported fatigue and headache after the first dose which was on par with Pfizer’s first dose

Fleadip · 2021-01-27T03:40:00+00:00

First Moderna dose down. Second day was like The Rock punched my arm. Third day and since has been normal. Word is the reaction to the second is a bit more harsh. We’ll see next friday I guess.

Sk-yline1 · 2021-01-27T05:32:38+00:00

Pfizer broke down each of those down into “Mild, Moderate, and Severe”. Moderna didn’t, and from the comments, I can see why

betneey · 2021-01-27T05:19:44+00:00

Got my 2nd shot of Pfizer today . First shot left me with a lil arm soreness. So far so good.

TwilitSky · 2021-01-27T02:17:03+00:00

Well Moderna is what's being offered to me, so...

Sad_King_Billy-19 · 2021-01-27T02:57:11+00:00

you might include the severity of these reactions. minor swelling for a day is one thing, migraine like headaches for a week is another.

mapmaker666 · 2021-01-27T05:30:03+00:00

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hands-solooo · 2021-01-27T06:22:54+00:00

While interesting, one should never compare data between two trials. The only way to compare the side effects of moderna vs Pfizer would be to have a trial directly comparing them.

The only conclusion that should be drawn from this is that they are vaguely similar with regards to side effects, but we don’t know which one is better/has less.

DuckDuckGoose42 · 2021-01-27T05:43:32+00:00

No tolerance on those values? Without the +/- there is no way to tell if there is any difference. i.e. 55+/-5 is the SAME as 63+/-5, they would both be within tolerance of each other and hence no difference.

And it is weird that there are different accuracies (significant digits).

wovoho · 2021-01-27T03:39:29+00:00

been injected with one of these—felt each symptom as i read it

linggghui · 2021-01-27T02:16:01+00:00

data: https://www.businessinsider.com/pfizer-moderna-covid-19-vaccines-comparison-how-the-shots-compare-2020-12

tool: https://www.datawrapper.de/charts/

BlueZen10 · 2021-01-27T04:12:36+00:00

Make sure you rub the injection site several times (immediately after receiving the shot) in a sweeping gesture that helps spread the vaccine throughout your shoulder tissues. It definitely reduces the soreness. I'd never bothered to do that when getting any other shots, but I did when I got this one, and instead of being sore for two or three days, I was only sore for a day.

vin316 · 2021-01-27T05:58:03+00:00

This data means nothing without placebo cases.

ladyoffate13 · 2021-01-27T05:06:26+00:00

The last time I had a shot where I felt any side effects was my Tdap booster. The next day, (weekend, thankfully) I just did not have the strength to get out of bed. No aches, no chills, but I was so incredibly sleepy; I think I took at least four naps throughout the day. Flu shots normally just give me a sore arm and nothing else. I was nearly back to normal the next day. It was so weird.

BillHam-I-Am · 2021-01-27T05:31:38+00:00

I got the Moderna. Get my second in a few weeks. I only had a sore arm for a couple of days. My coworkers were mixed. I would say a quarter had fever and fatigue. Although all of them had already had Covid before. I wonder if that plays into it. The ones who had no reaction, like me, hadn’t had Covid.

CanadianTurkey · 2021-01-27T04:48:59+00:00

Please post the link to the data.

EavingO · 2021-01-27T05:57:21+00:00

Any reason we didn't include placebo numbers for reference? You are definitely going to get people that complain about any or all of those reactions on a placebo shot as well.

egotisticalstoic · 2021-01-27T07:30:34+00:00

Fatigue, tiredness, muscle pain. These are just reactions to being alive...

lIlIIIOK · 2021-01-27T11:58:50+00:00

It's also worth mentioning that it's normal for any IM shot to give you post-injection-pain if you don't inject in that particular muscle on a regular basis (which 99% of the population doesn't).

Actually_a_Patrick · 2021-01-27T16:29:38+00:00

How does this compare to flu vaccines?

arrampicataspace · 2021-01-27T12:09:59+00:00

There is no choice.

Take what they offer you, if they offer it to you.

I hope I can be vaccinated with one of the 2, but I'm not on the waiting list.

There is no vacination date for my category. Maybe by the end of the year.

N9242Oh · 2021-01-27T12:48:23+00:00

I am not looking forward to my second dose. I am a nurse and all for vaccines. I have the flu vaccine every year. But f**k me I've never experienced anything like this one (astrazenica - similar to moderna). I had the chills so bad with bradycardia and hypertension and Raynaud's. I nearly called an ambulance and only didn't because after 2 hours I started to be able to feel my fingers again

aus10mom · 2021-01-27T14:02:18+00:00

Got my first dose of Modena via pharmaceutical study. The injection site was sore for a couple days, no other noticeable symptoms. 10 days later I had a 3 inch wide, red, itchy, warm, slightly raised circle at the site. Woke up this morning, on day 13, and it is almost all gone. I informed study company and they were like "meh". I think they should let people know. I have talked to 4 other people who said the same thing happened 10 days after. It was still worth it and I would do it again. I want to not be afraid and I want to travel abroad again. I have friends who have lost their dad, cousins, aunts and roommates. I also work in a doctors office and wish I can hug grieving patients. Stay safe and well everyone.

andre3kthegiant · 2021-01-27T14:45:46+00:00

These reactions means the body is producing antibodies, so the more of the mild-discomfort, the more antibodies may be being produced.

Pro-tip: Do not use pain relievers when you get the vaccine. Some prelim data shows that they could reduce the number of antibodies a body produces.

2021-01-27T16:55:00+00:00

Interesting. Everyone I know who complained of severe side effects got Pfizer. Felt sick, intense fatigue, had to miss work. Everyone I know who got moderna complained of injection site soreness and nothing else. I’m surprised to see that this data says moderna is worse. My sample size is fairly big too since I work in healthcare and worked at a testing site for the Pfizer vaccine. Just goes to show that personal experience isn’t a good substitute for large data collection.

tallcupofwater · 2021-01-27T17:52:29+00:00

But what if I always have fatigue, headache and muscle pain? How will I know the difference?

JL_Adv · 2021-01-27T04:10:18+00:00

I'd love to see this compared to COVID symptoms.

ETA: I was thinking things like headache, fatigue, muscle soreness might be more prevalent with COVID than with the vaccine.

I'm always curious about seeing numbers like these because they almost look like a scare tactic (not insinuating anything here about you, OP). I can guarantee you my SIL would look at these numbers and explain 100 different ways to hell why it's dangerous to get vaccinated.

nathyfroo · 2021-01-27T06:21:32+00:00

To answer the question... whichever one is available. I got Pfizer and had fatigue for a day then held great after my first shot. I’m waiting for my second one next week. When my parents qualify for theirs, they will get whatever is available. Pfizer or moderna. The research is there. Just get it.

Stardustchaser · 2021-01-27T05:49:14+00:00

So...like the flu vaccine side effects.

psyked222 · 2021-01-27T07:35:50+00:00

link to data or give :

- number of people treated for each vaccin

- other effets spotted

- sources name

NB: don't use click bait title (or if you assume the comparison, show statistics/numbers on efficacity, price, usage, etc.), the one of the image was enought.

ZacHefner · 2021-01-27T09:43:01+00:00

I'm sure it's been asked, but could you source this please? This is potentially powerful.

GradualCrescendo · 2021-01-27T10:32:36+00:00

Add the rate of anaphylactic reactions.

GernhardtRyanLunzen · 2021-01-27T11:04:19+00:00

You should include the reactions on the placebo for better comparability.

I read a lot of participants in the vaccination studies in the control group had similar side effects caused by the placebo injections.

A_J_95 · 2021-01-27T12:02:43+00:00

Any chance that the data for all vaccines is available?

adamsgoof · 2021-01-27T13:44:39+00:00

Got my second moderna yesterday. I feel like ass. Worth it!

oncomingstorm777 · 2021-01-27T13:46:48+00:00

I got my second Moderna shot yesterday and currently have miserable muscle aches and pain at the injection site. At least I know my body’s mounting an immune response

godbullseye · 2021-01-27T14:07:24+00:00

I got the Moderna vaccine and I had a knot in my shoulder about the size of a golf ball for like 3 days other than that there was no significant reaction

Peteat6 · 2021-01-27T14:32:20+00:00

Those figures are clearly untrue. Perhaps you mean per thousand, or 10,000 or 100,000?

Helphaer · 2021-01-27T14:32:52+00:00

I came here thinking it would be more about whether one is better than the other.

Robertorgan81 · 2021-01-27T15:41:08+00:00

I just got the first dose of moderns 20 min ago. Hopefully side effects are mild but even if not, seems to be preferable to COVID.

o0sipa0o · 2021-01-27T16:42:01+00:00

Should add in. Mask still required both of them 100. lol

Enuntiatrix · 2021-01-27T16:50:10+00:00

Moderna is still the vaccine with the far easier and better handling and that beats the slightly higher number of adverse side effects by far.

Shablagoosh · 2021-01-27T17:15:51+00:00

I’m not sure which one has 2 injections like 3 weeks apart or if both do but my roommate is a rn and he’s been having a really rough time after the second shot. All day yesterday was puking in the bathroom and sleeping with hella blankets in between bathroom sessions. Today I was making him breakfast because I felt like I should I guess? And he was telling me today its way better than yesterday he’s just super achey all over. He’s since gone to work so I can’t ask him which vaccine it was but that’s my secondhand experience.

joewandererto · 2021-01-27T17:18:19+00:00

Got the Moderna, no side effects. My second shot is in feb though so we will see

laurenodonnellf · 2021-01-27T17:28:01+00:00

I’ve had the first dose of the moderna and my arm was pretty sore and painful. My boyfriend got both doses of Pfizer and was (jokingly) calling me a wimp. But now I can show him this bwahaha.

Also he got a fever for two days after his second dose. Curious to see what happens to me after my second dose.

2021-01-27T17:32:25+00:00

I’ll take the one that prevents me from dying of COVID-19, thanks.

PAC2019 · 2021-02-02T00:51:03+00:00

I think what people are missing in this discussion (coming from someone who works in healthcare) is that Moderna is proven to be almost 100%effective against SEVERE covid infections, Pfizer on the other hand still doesn’t have enough data. To me Moderna seems to be the better vaccine especially for those in nursing homes, ALFs, SNFs, frontline workers etc cause once they get sick within a week their lungs look like a white out and they are ICU bound but many survive thankfully.

For those wondering my GF got covid and her first dose of Moderna made her feel exactly how she felt when she was sick which was fever, tachycardia, headache and fatigue (only lasted 12 hours, I’m sure the second dose will lay her up). I really do think if you’ve had covid the vaccine makes you feel like you did when you got it but idk not much research into and it’s all subjective at this point. I had covid and I’m waiting to get vaccinated as well extremely scared of the new variants which both vaccines are suspect against.

Quick note coworker who never got covid got modern dose 1 and 2 and she had a 102F fever and felt terrible for a day, maybe 2 days so you just don’t know but get one when you can.

grumpyOldMan420 · 2021-01-27T07:13:23+00:00

Like any of us will have a choice?

Studly_Wonderballs · 2021-01-27T05:13:39+00:00

I disagree, it's a very good game but I think Donkey Kong is the best game ever.

SilverFlexNib · 2021-01-27T02:33:32+00:00

I thought Moderna possibly protected against some other strains that the Pfizer did not

Practical_Entry5024 · 2021-01-27T10:14:59+00:00

Sputnik V vaccine rules.

Got it with dozens of my friends. Zero bed reactions.

Affensalatlaser · 2021-01-27T12:27:44+00:00

Ffs its Pfizer-BioNtech 🇺🇲🇩🇪

Mcb17lnp · 2021-01-27T12:49:13+00:00

I got my 2nd Moderna shot yesterday. I am laying in bed and just checked my temperature and its 101.1. Last night was miserable. I had flu like symptoms and couldn't get warm. Slept maybe 4 hours or so. Injection site hurt worse yesterday and is just sore now. I wish I took a half day today. I took a little gamble and loaded my schedule bc the 1st dose only had mild shoulder pain. All in all I give the experience 10/10 and would recommend. I already feel a giant relief. Time for some Tylenol! I wish I could have traded my shots to my immunocompromized mom though.

guywithanusername · 2021-01-27T14:35:33+00:00

I would gladly have those symptoms if it means I won't have corona

nokinship · 2021-01-27T05:33:35+00:00

Those are pretty high frequencies for side effects especially fatigue, headaches and muscle pain. I think I'll go last for vaccines I already get fatigue and other stupid bs.

Chick__Mangione · 2021-01-27T05:08:13+00:00

Why is "injection site reactions" always listed as a "side effect" of vaccinations? You're getting stabbed by a needle. Of course your arm will be sore.

It's like saying I stepped in a puddle with bare feet and now my feet are wet. No shit.

Also, these hardly seem different enough from one another to make a chart like this.

Beatts18 · 2021-01-27T16:07:00+00:00

No surprise a microchip causes pain. #science

Oznog99 · 2021-01-27T06:12:14+00:00

Totally normal side effects, exactly the same for pretty much any other vaccine.

keep that in mind for the anti vaxxers, who should be banned immediately anyway.

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