FDA authorizes Pfizer vaccine for kids 5 to 11
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He abstained because the vaccine isn't good enough? Or because he thinks it's waning efficacy will be a PR problem down the road?
Either way, the problem is here and now, Doctor. WTF?
I think it's the second thing.
But idk what pr problem he's thinking. We already know effectiveness wane after half a year for Pfizer in adults. I don't see why it would be different for children.
I think the idea is if parents get the COVID vaccine and the kid gets COVID anyway, confidence in vaccines in general might be reduced and vaccination rates for much more dangerous diseases might decrease.
In all honesty they shouldn’t call it a vaccine then if that is a worry. Especially if the intent is to take the shots fairly frequently. This will also make people aware they aren’t superman 6 months after the shot. People will have a false sense of security and we will end up like Isreal.
And you can still die in a car crash wearing a seatbelt. Still seems reasonable to have seatbelt laws for the overwhelming safety benefit they provide.
These folks are so purposefully bad faith/devils advocate in every goddamn thing they do.
Dunno, but I think the waning immune response thing gets blown up a lot by vax-skeptics and by the more fear mongering media outlets. From what I've read and heard from virologists so far, it is only a problem for the elderly and immunocompromised people and there it is absolutely normal and happens with every vaccine.
Adults may have declining antibodies, but in everything we've seen so far the immune response is still fast and strong. That's why here in Germany the booster shot is only recommended for people with a weakened immune system.
Most vaccines provide much more lasting immunity. It’s viruses that mutate fairly rapidly that tend to suffer from decreasing efficacy with time. Consider that your tetanus vaccine is every ten years. The hepatitis, chicken pox, all the childhood vaccines are done after the vaccine or series. You can check immunity for those, and most people still have it. It’s a known issue for corona viruses. We’ve known a long time that one of the major contributors to the common cold is a corona virus. There’s been attempts to make a vaccine but they never panned out because it just naturally mutates fairly rapidly. I suspected this would be an issue from the start. The vaccines still do prevent a lot of infections, and keep hospitalizations down. I just wish it would mutate to a less virulent form. It’s not going away. It is endemic in most places now.
"Some of you kids may die, but that's a sacrifice, I'm willing to make for PR purposes."
I keep saying it, this is why we need mandates, you don't need good PR if there are mandates.
You don't need good PR for not letting your kid starve to death, because there are already laws and regulations around it.
Right, except people aren’t protesting massively over being forced to feed their kids, people aren’t printing fake receipts or just flaunting the laws making an enforcement nightmare.
I think my problem is CDC and NIH should leave politics to politicians. That’s their PR and enforcement mess to deal with.
It’s a legitimate question, what policy yields the highest vaccination rate, or mask wearing rate. Even if the policy itself isn’t theoretically the best, if the end product is the best then it’s clearly a superior policy.
The percentage of kids dying from covid is TINY. The reason kids would get vaccinated is to mitigate spread.
Mitigating the spread is definitely a factor.
The last numbers I saw was that about 700 kids in the US have died from Covid, which is a tiny number. But I like to think about it a little differently:
- Assuming 90% efficacy from the vaccine in preventing severe illness, preventing the death of another 700 kids (I don't have a crystal ball to predict future deaths) then vaccination of kids makes sense.
- There's a lot of suffering between "death" and "asymptomatic". I don't have the numbers of kids who were hospitalized, put on ventilators, missed school, etc. But about 5000 have developed MIS-C, and then there are the potential life-long effects of long-covid etc to think about.
All that has be balanced against the potential of side-effects and their severity, which appears to be quite minor.
Death isnt the only negative outcome from COVID.
How is it late 2021 and people keep fixating on the death rate of COVID and completely glaze over the awful long term effects survivors of COVID often deal with?
An enormous quantity of people are permanently incapacitated by this disease, likely have lost their entire livelihood, and had dozens and dozens of years of their life chopped off.
And Long COVID happens way more often than death.
For every reported COVID death there are easily several, potentially a dozen or so, individuals who, sure, didn't die. But basically have the rest of their life permanently altered for the worse.
We need to all stop talking like COVID end result is black and white "You either die or 100% get better and go back to life as usual"
That is not the reality of the situation.
A tiny sliver dies
A decent chunk lives and goes back to life
Another large chunk of folks are completely without symptom and didn't even know they caught it.
And another decent chunk survive but their livelihood is permanently altered and an enormous amount of their potential is taken away from them.
That is why we need to vaccinate children, because children are also susceptible to these potentially devastating long term effects.
We have zero idea what COVID does to someone 10, 20 years from now.
There is a non zero chance children who catch COVID now may face irreversible life altering negative consequences when they are adults. See: Chicken Pox to Shingles.
That should be what all of us are thinking of when we vaccinate kids. We know that vaccinating children has a nearly zero risk.
But that nearly zero risk has a nearly 100% chance to prevent them from encountering what might be life ruining consequences later on.
In which case, fuck yes, it should be super obvious to vaccinate children.
But some could still die, even if it's unlikely.
Plenty of parents have left their children forever, even orphaning them them.
Some will likely have adverse effects related to a novel vaccination, again the numbers are tiny. I’m not surprised to see people hesitant on a novel vaccine when this age group has such a low mortality rate with covid vs other common infectious diseases
Which is why it’s weird he did that. Allow it to be available for the children who need it. Evidence shows most healthy children in that age range aren’t at a significant enough risk to warrant a vaccine.
This is unironically the argument people are making whenever they say "But kids are largely unaffected by the virus!".
Covidiots be like: "Who cares if some innocent kids die, I just don't want to be inconvenienced."
COVID in children is not an issue. Since the start of the pandemic to October 1st less than 700 children in the US have passed from COVID. There are 73 million children in the US. The Vaccine(s) themselves have caused nearly as many complications as there have been children fatality impacted by COVID.
Sources: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/graphics/2021/10/08/covid-19-kids-cases-hospitalizations-deaths/8361479002/
Why would protection only last six months?
Because that’s all the vaccines have been shown to be effective for. Hence the need for boosters
They are still protective after this time, just there aren't antibodies floating around like there are if you are recently vaccinated/recovered (they're produced from the 'memory cells' but it takes a bit of time to get the machines up and running). They will still reduce the severity of the illness and length of infection, they just won't be as effective at preventing infection altogether.
Because of the dosage in the vaccine. The adult does had a high load and last longer. But that also results in stronger immune reactions and symptoms when vaccinated. Those symptoms deter people from getting the shot cause people are dumb and don’t realize these reactions are your body’s immune system working. So a reduced load for the kids will help people actually take it cause there should be less noise about the symptoms post-injection.
So they may need a booster shot in 6 months? Truly an intractable problem. No way we have that technology.
You might have to take more than one dose of medicine! Oh no? What kind of argument is that?
A vaccine isn’t medicine.
A vaccine is a prophylactic.
Sounds sexy
Fuck him! My 8 year old is getting vaccinated ASAP
Edit: my wife and I are both fully vaccinated. No reason to think our 8 year old would have an issue.
I would be more excited if my 7 and 9 year olds weren’t diagnosed with Covid today.
I'm sorry. We just got slapped with mandatory quarantine for an exposure that happened 8 days ago- and they're JUST NOW telling us.
COVID test negative today, too.
Where I'm at, a negative covid test 3+ days after exposure is enough to end quarantine.
I'm so sorry. I hope they're doing well, all things considered!
I had one night of chills, but the kids have been totally fine. We’ll see how it is when they’ve been home bound for 10 days.
Glad that they're fine (and that your own symptoms don't sound too bad). Best of luck on you all keeping your sanity!
Best of luck... Hope you stay on your feet and can keep them entertained!
Mine got it from me and didn’t even have a fever
The vast majority of children are asymptomatic.
The vast majority of people are asymptomatic
Not actually true if you separate the true asymptomatic and the pre-symptomatic.
Even in kids, who are more likely to be asymptomatic, it’s about 45%. Definitely not the vast majority.
Oof. Good luck. I was giving my seven year old crap yesterday because they didn’t want to wear a mask. We are so close, kid, don’t blow it. Hope it is easy for your kids!
The sad thing is my kids don’t mind the masks at all. They’ve been very careful (for kids under 10) for the last 18 months.
Any idea where it came from?
My son’s teacher cancelled all his scheduled conferences yesterday, so I’m guessing he may have also been diagnosed.
I’m a middle school teacher who is around about 100 11 year-olds every day. I also co-teach with someone who is anti-vax.
So there’s a lot of fertile ground for transmission.
Oh man that’s a warzone. Sorry
They just started scheduling child vaccine appointments where i live and after one day they're almost fully booked. I'm kinda glad that's the response here.
I was going to call tomorrow for my kid based on your comment but I see elsewhere in this thread that CDC still needs to approve. So are places scheduling for this age range already without CDC approval?
CDC approval is the next step in the process but it seems like that won't have any resistance. FDA already approved it.
I keep hoping that they'll start taking appointments here in CA, but I think they're waiting for the CDC's approval. Worried that this will crash the CVS site like it did back in March for the adults...
Our school district is coordinating. We are booked for next Saturday. Fingers crossed!
I'm the Bay Area and they're taking appointments via Safeway. I think many are more cautious because it's their kid (and for good reason) so there might not be deluge of appointments. We'll see if those sites have updated their ability to handle the requests.
Can you say more about how you did this or where you saw it? The safeway appt site clearly says only 12+ right now.
I got it from an email that comes the school. There's a QR code with Safeway's logo right in the middle. That's all I have.
I hope so. I hope ALL parents will be more cautious with their kids.
More cautious, as in, YES, I WANT MY CHILD PROTECTED FROM THIS HORRIBLE DiSEASE ASAP!
People have been waiting helplessly/hopefully to be able to get this protection for their kids.
The Bay Area's quite obviously really progressive, so it makes sense that they're already prepping for a probable onslaught of appointments on the horizon. I do hope that there won't be as much hesitancy, but I read that only 34% of parents plan to get their kids vaccinated ASAP, so... yeah... At least it's looking like it will be mandated in schools by Fall 2022.
I still imagine there will be more hesitancy than the adult vaccine, even here in the Bay based on the conversations I’ve been having with some of my daughters parents who are all vaccinated.
Dang, in the bay as well and I was told no go until it’s approved
Covid was among the top 10 causes of death for kids last year and looks as if it’ll move even higher this year.
My kids probably won’t die driving in the car, but I still follow best recommended car seat practices because car accidents are one of the top causes of death for children and can lead to lifelong impacts.
Suffocation - including bed linens, sleeping with an adult or choking on food - also rank in the top 10, which is why we follow safe sleep practices and I cut up my toddler’s grapes and hot dogs.
Why the hell would I treat Covid any differently? Science shows me what I can do to protect my kids from the things most likely to kill them; it’s my job to listen.
You cut up the hot dogs? how does it feel to LIVE IN FEAR?
(Jk choking is a valid concern)
What are you, some kind of child hugger?!?
Ummm, maybe not the best choice of words. Hug with consent please. If you're going around hugging kids for your own satisfaction, that's really creepy.
Tired. It feels tired. The grapes. They dont make good halves anymore
Pro tip: squish the grapes lightly between two plates (or lids, or similar) and then cut them all at once.
Yeah but wouldn't I have to buy new plates all the time if I cut two of them in half every time I prep grapes?
Get magnetic plates.
Fun tip: cut the grapes so that they're not quite fully cut, so that just the skin on one side is holding them together, and then put them in any microwave you can see into. The flashes you'll see are plasma forming between the edges of the grape.
You can also make plasma more easily but less predictably with frozen chicken chunks. It's really weird when part of the outside is burned while the rest of the outside still has frost on it.
Apparently this phenomenon wasn't well studied until just a couple years ago. Cutting edge kitchen science! (pun intended)
I’ll tell the science teacher to float around this “fun tip” for feedback
My kids go through a lot of grapes, am definitely trying this!
I just didn't give my kids grapes or hot dogs until they were older. Gave them other food so I didn't even worry about it.
My toddler almost died from stringy bacon stuck in his throat. It was the most terrifying thing I’ve ever been through. Luckily some random women slid in out of nowhere and helped my husband. Anyway moral of the story is only give kids bacon that shatters if you throw it at a wall.
Like the "not pizza" on the SNL skit.
For the hot dogs, use kitchen scissors.
Honestly, you want to cut them long ways, not wide ways (like you would with scissors). Smaller hot dog circles can still completely block their airways. A hot dog that has been cut length-wise into halves or quarters will not block their airways. I'm sure you can still do that with kitchen scissors, but a knife will be easier and likely safer for yourself as well. :3
Rip then cross cut
Sorry it's a bit off-topic, but the fact sleeping with an adult is in the top 10 causes of child death is really terrifying. I can't imagine how painful it would be to be a parent that suffocated your child to death because you rolled over in your sleep, that is horrific.
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When my daughter was an infant I was terrified of forgetting her in there and her baking to death. It happens in the news periodically and I just can't imagine that.
I definitely hiked it back to my car more than a few times from the edge of the parking lot juuuust to make sure I didn’t autopilot myself to work without dropping off my kid first.
I've read putting something like your phone or your shoe in the car seat helps with that.
Personally I don't have kids or plan to, so I can't verify.
According to NIH, COVID-19 deaths in the 5-14 age group amounted to 0.52% of all deaths in that age group.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7260492/#!po=3.57143
That says 4%
Took me a bit to figure it out since the top labels are tabbed weirdly.
Look at Table 1. 7 deaths.
That's the deaths from the first few months of the pandemic...we're on month like 20 or 21 now.
This link from the CDC shows HUNDREDS over the entire pandemic.
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-on-Ages-0-18-Yea/nr4s-juj3
I am referring to US deaths. According to the NIH, there were 44 deaths in children 5-14 due to COVID in 2020. Interesting disparity in info.
Top 10 causes of death? Can I see the source?
Look for "Age-specific rank of COVID-19 deaths in 2021 among rankable leading causes of death" on that page:
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid-19-continues-to-be-a-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-u-s-in-august-2021/
It was in the top 7 in April 2021 in the 1-14 age range.
Wait, what? It’s not the top 10 cases of child death
It is - it just happens to be the 10th. With the flu / pneumonia being ~6th or 7th.
For example, 67 covid deaths in the 5-14 age-group still makes it "in the top 10", despite the IFR being something ridiculously low like .0006%
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm?s_cid=mm7014e1_w#T1_down
Oh. So kids just tend to die from less of a variety of causes than adults do?
Yes, there are fewer things that kill kids in general. The best reason to vaccinate kids is so that they don't suffer long term injury from an infection that they survive (COVID is currently known to cause brain damage, myocarditis, and long lasting cardiovascular system damage). The second best is so that they don't become carriers and spread it to someone more vulnerable.
I know lots of parents whose kids got COVID from daycare and then had to worry about whether or not they caught it, might give it to relative, will be permanently injured, etc. Given how low the chance of injury from the vaccine (in general, as well as compared to COVID's much higher chance of permanent injury) I think most parents I know are looking forward to being able to vaccinate their kids.
Do bear in mind that, per the CDC, 9,173 children from 1 to 14 years old died in 2019. There are on the order of around 55 million children in that age range.
Given those odds, guarding against death needs to be tempered by the side effects of guarding them. Even a slight increase in the odds of some minor downside as a consequence could outweigh the good you do.
Can I get a source on this? Since the start of the pandemic less than 700 children have been fatally killed by COVID. There are 73 million children in the US, that's less than 1 out of every 100,000. Source: https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/graphics/2021/10/08/covid-19-kids-cases-hospitalizations-deaths/8361479002/
I’m happy kids can now get vaccinated considering what germ factories they are but boy howdy are we gonna get another wave of screaming idiots at school board meetings.
"Boy howdy" is right. They are waiting in the wings.
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Neat, now I get to fight with my ex-wife on getting my 8 year old the shot.
I am in the exact situation, even the age. I'm on good terms with her, it was a truly amicable split. But she got sucked into the local crazy (southern MO) after the divorce. I have no idea how to broach the subject.
Apologies afterwards.
This. "He has all off his other shots, I assumed we would stay up to date on all off them."
Better to ask for forgiveness rather than permission
Even better than your kid needing a heart/lung work 5 years down the road :(
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8523964/
There are preprint pubs showing alarming rates of heart issues after resolution from the earliest infections. Not the '6 sigma' yet, but... god damn I hate this virus.
Honestly, speak with a lawyer. If you act unilaterally and she sues, you could potentially lose depending on the arguments raised in court, and even potentially lose custody over your child. As important as I think the vaccine is, in this case it is far more important to protect yourself and your right to see and raise your child.
We were able to get through divorce without lawyers. No contesting of any property swaps, easy agreement on support payments. I hate to think that this is where we have to include a leech.
I'll have to try to have a civil conversation with her. There is a reasonable person in there. Regardless of the Fox News toxin.
Just get your kid the shot, and don't even mention it to your ex unless she asks.
I wouldn't be divorced unless I had some failures in relationships. That said: treating "the ex" as an adversary only hurts the kid.
This is a worry that I have, not even just for divorced/estranged parents. I have a feeling that married couples are going to fight about this as well. I'm thankful that my ex is 1000% on board with getting our kid the shot the second we can get an appointment but I know that's not going to be the case for a lot of folks (especially those in situations with a manipulative ex who might just say "no" as a gross attempt to stick it to the other party). I wonder if we're going to see court cases about this... Best of luck:/
On the same page here. Not only does my ex agree, she was asking if I'd be ok about lying about our 9 year old's age to get him vax'd a few months ago. Luckily I was able to talk her down off that by showing her that the likely dose for his age range will be a third of the current dose.
same boat
CDC still has to give final ok, should be by Tuesday, which means by this time next week my 10 year old could have her first dose and her second before Thanksgiving.
This thought has been running through my head all week and it's just... exciting. I legit teared up when hearing that the FDA was prepared to sign off on it. I've been trying to have my kid get back to "normal" as much as possible, taking as many precautions as we can, but this would be the hugest relief.
This made me smile. I know I'm just a random redditor, but a spontaneous smile from a Reddit comment is rare, and I appreciate it. (Normally I only smile when I see snark, schadenfreude or song lyrics). It truly warmed my heart to know that your child will be protected by Thanksgiving.
The CDC didn't sign off yet. That'll be early next week.
Okay, I’ve got a 4 and a half year old with COPD…gotta call his pulmonologist and just start begging for a shot, now. It’s been a stressful 18 months.
My friend's pediatrician approved the shot for my friend's kid because he was "almost" 12 and other reasons, so it can't hurt to ask.
Mines almost 5 too.. his next well check I think he would get his shot
I’m sure everyone is going to be calm and rational about this
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I bring that up often. Had I been born a decade later, I'm sure my mother would had gotten me the chickenpox vaccine. I think it's actually combined now with MMR, or DTaP. One of them. But sadly, everyone I knew as a child got chickenpox, and now I'll be 1 in 3 who might get shingles. Crossing my fingers it stays dormant for at least another 10 years when I'll be allowed to take the vaccine.
I wish I could have been young enough to get the chickenpox vaccine. I remember getting chickenpox when I was a kid and it was miserable. And now my wife has shingles as an adult because she got it as a kid too. I hope I don't get shingles too.
Yeah, chickenpox sucked for me too. I don't remember if I was very itchy (probably was cause I do remember lots of calomine lotion), but I even got them on my tongue.
We couldn't get my little sister to stop scratching her face and she was pretty regretful as a teenager that she had some scars from it.
Oh, I've had shingles after enduring a STRESSFUL relationship. I'm still young, so it wasn't terrible. HOWEVER, that postherpetic neuralgia...that's something else.
I got chicken pox the week before the chicken pox vax was available. I'm trying to get someone to let me have the shingles vax because I live a high stress life and I have severe health anxiety and shingles is the last thing I need.
I'm looking for one of those rich people clinics to jab me and I just pay in full without insurance.
The varicella vaccine is separate from the MMR, but commonly given around the same age.
My 1 year old son got his MMR with his first flu shot and will get the varicella vaccine with his second flu shot in a month (first flu vaccination requires two shots). His pediatrician recommended the split because the MMR and varicella vaccine are both live virus and can cause severe symptoms if given at the same time.
I’m another person too old for the varicella vaccine and who had a horrible experience with chicken pox. I am thrilled that my son will not have to go through that.
ugh this brings back memories!! I remember the exact moment in preschool when I took a break to go to the drinking fountain, and noticed the back of my hand was itching. fuck I ended up with a reallly bad case but I was a kid so whatever.
I remember being upset that my (much younger) little brother was able to get vaccinated. I was like, YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW LUCKY YOU ARE lol.
also sorry to all the kids in preschool I undoubtedly gave chickenpox to.
My kid was 9 when he got covid. He probably should have been hospitalized, but he was treated for dehydration and given meds and sent home. He had kidney problems for nearly a year and a half, and vascular damage as well which who knows what the overall outcome of that will be. So he didn't die, but he already had weak lungs from asthma and multiple rounds of bronchitis, and then all this on top. Our youngest was the only one not really affected. He seemed like he had a cold, then he was all good.
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It's just harassment. I get those to from time to time.
Good to know. Also, childish AF. I'm not sure how a message like that in my inbox is supposed to be deeply upsetting and/or change my mind on topics like this, but okay.
particularly childish as a suicidal person who could use possibly this at times. NNN folks are prob taking out their frustrations to ruin what could otherwise be a (maybe?) helpful thing.
at this point it should just be removed as its misuse trivializes a serious and tragic problem.
Agreed. As someone who's struggled with it in the past, it is gross that they'd misuse the function. It doesn't upset me on a personal level but it is messed up to not take it seriously. I've also had the same thing happen to me on Instagram in the past, after I told a white supremacist that white supremacy is bad. I do hope that these false reports don't jam up the system.
dang I honestly don't know! they show up in messages kinda like spam. and yeah it's a lame, anonymous form of harassment.
I'd be curious to know from a mod if they can get you banned if you accrue enough notices. I might find out the hard way lol.
As a mod, I can tell you that no, they're not tracked, and recipients cannot be banned for receiving them. Frustratingly, there's not even a system that we can use to report abuses of the system. I banned a person a couple weeks ago and got half a dozen of these reddit cares messages since then, to the point that I blocked them so I don't see them anymore. Next time you get one, read down through it and there's a link you can click to opt out of receiving them.
hey thanks, I really appreciate this info!
When I got some there was a button to click if I wanted to opt out of receiving those notices. So they can't be keeping track of them since I don't ever see them.
Should I feel bad for the people trying to harass me, when it doesn't actually go through?
holy crap, I never read through the whole thing in detail to see the STOP options. you rock, thanks!!
edit: don't you dare feel bad for the asshats sending this stuff. they're ill-intentioned.
They're created by people abusing the suicide prevention system that reddit built. Each one is individually created, and when used this way they're harassment.
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Just assume they're Russian trolls and be done with it.
People keep talking about the death rates being low with covid, same as hospitalizations, but if they were really looking at the safer option, I will eat my shoe on YouTube if more kids wind up seriously sick or die from the vaccine. Why can't people understand contracting covid, while even a small serious risk for children, is still more of a risk than getting the vaccine.
I got those too lol, as well as some angry PMs for saying that kids should get vaccinated.
Yep. Lots of folks will argue “kids don’t die from it” in such bad faith.
It’s not JUST about kids getting sick from it. Kids are excellent spreaders of diseases - it’s not their faults, it’s just how it is. Getting them vaccinated is a HUGE step towards dealing with this.
But even kids just getting sick is a strain. I don't mean hospitalization sick, I mean even if they get a little sick, schools quarantine them. If it's a child who can't stay at home by themselves, a parent or other adult is going to have to watch them and that could be bad for their employment prospects. A lot of bosses won't let you take a week or two off even if your child is sick.
It's the equivalent of "PeOpLe WeArInG sEaT bElTs StIlL gEt InJuReD iN cAr AcCiDeNtS!!1!"
These asshats choose to disregard the clear utility of risk mitigation in their quest to find the Dumbest Hill to Die On.
You can still get and transmit COVID even while vaccinated. With less than 700 children killed from COVID since March of last year. There's been nearly as many people with complications from the vaccines themselves. I don't see why there is such a huge rush to be vaccinating young children when they are EXTREMELY low risk, and the vaccine doesn't stop transmission.
Death is not the only thing I aim to prevent.
The sending of suicide prevention notices is gross. I think it’s funny that the plague rats think that’s actually doing something.
They’re too embarrassed or stupid to defend their shit
I usually take it as a token that I said something worth saying (a rare event).
What does it mean in their heads? I honestly can’t think of the reason to send a “suicide prevention notice” (if i even understand what that means)
I think it's that whatever opinion I expressed signals to them that I am mentally unstable and thus am at risk of killing myself.
or at least that a notice of their "concern" will teach me a lesson that my opinions piss them off?
that's a crappy answer, I know. bleh. fuck if I know what goes on in the minds of these asshats, hopefully someone else has a better answer!
“Here’s a mechanism for helping people in need, don’t mind me as I abuse it for selfish reasons”
Something like that?
That's the thing: people have a skewed idea of how dangerous the vaccines are.
Just look at young adults: if you're 30-39, you have a 274.6 times lower risk of myocarditis (including mild cases where they just tell you to take some aspirin) from the vaccine than death from COVID (and COVID infection results in a greater risk of myocarditis than the vaccine—on top of all those deaths). That's not to say COVID's secretly killing a bunch of 30-39-year-olds (though Delta certainly kills more of them), it's to say that's how safe the vaccines are.
The gap isn't as large because COVID kills less kids than it kills adults, but every government approving is assessing the risk/reward ratio first and approving it because the risk from the vaccine FOR THAT DEMOGRAPHIC is much, much less than the risk from the virus.
Ok all else aside, that's actually just amazing. 94 deaths and that's the 8th leading cause of death. Imagine any time in history where 94 deaths out of millions would be considered a leading cause. 2019, prepandemic, shows about 13.4 deaths per 100,000 children of this age group in the US. The leading cause, as always, is accident.
Any child death is too many, but it is incredible to see how far humanity has come, from a time when every family had lost at least one child to a time when it's a rare tragedy.
Exactly, they might not be at risk, but vaccinating them protects their immunocompromised peers, it protects their family members, teachers, and their younger siblings who still can't get vaccinated yet.
More vaccinated humans = better protection for everyone.
An old friend (and mother of 5) posted yesterday about how the vaccine needs to be a choice because "Covid isn't an emergency for most children." I guess her children live in a bubble and don't interact with anyone else? As much as I wanted to say that, I just muted her. I have a feeling I'm going to be doing that with more of my friends in the coming days. If I bothered to argue with them, I'd hold the snark and be civil, but it's just feels like a losing battle. The antivaxx stuff is infuriating, but it truly sucks to see it from people you know IRL.
Also, never mind the fact that this friend absolutely has the choice to a) not vaccinate her kids, b) not send them to public school, and c) put the rest of the public at risk. Framing the vaccine as a loss of choice is disingenuous.
What she has is a choice (with consequences and outcomes). What she wants is a choice (with no consequences or outcomes).
She’s acting like someone who wants to go have a “fun weekend” in Vegas but gets upset that she lost all her money on blackjack.
Yes, I'm less worried about my kids getting super sick from it but more worried about them passing it to my parents, who have a larger chance from dying from it while vaccinated than my kids do without it. They were in a trial and I'm sure at least one of them got the vaccine. We will find out for sure soon.
If you have to say "This was all because of Trump's Project Warp Speed" say it. If you have to say "I'm only doing this because of my work's mandate." Say it. Just get it done. Let's flatten that damned curve.
Flatten the curve was last year
Two weeks to flatten the curve!
2 years later...
Curve is currently trending downward. Flattening it would be worse.
(but more people being vaccinated wouldn't flatten it, would make it go down even more steeply. So go get your kids vaccinated)
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Communist! Or, or, or...Socialist! Or, or, or...other words I don't know the meaning of!
Are we suddenly going to move to a society where young kids have to take vaccines in order to avoid worldwide diseases, attend school or play sports?!?
Oh, what? Vaccines to do those things have been in place for decades?
You are right, of course. But, confronted with reality, conservatives do show an amazing consistency in refusing to accept it and trying to substitute their own, no matter how insane.
Thus, the Republican response to a safe and effective vaccine against COVID is mutating to not just to oppose a vaccine mandate for COVID...but vaccines themselves.
Kentucky: https://wfpl.org/vaccine-opt-out-bill-advances-in-ky-legislature/
Montana: https://montanafreepress.org/2021/08/31/montana-law-injects-confusion-and-conflict-into-public-health/
Indiana: https://www.yahoo.com/now/hundreds-rally-indiana-statehouse-oppose-200000489.html
Idaho: https://www.idahopress.com/eyeonboise/group-of-lawmakers-shares-anti-vaccine-law-ideas/article_607b8e7a-1d20-59a2-a396-7cfa48391c72.html
Pennsylvania: https://www.fox43.com/article/news/local/right-to-refuse-vaccination-bill/521-21d88fde-764d-42ee-8d3e-14ace67d16ab
And on it goes, ever crazier...
I worry about my 3-year old grandson. He goes to daycare germ central all week. Not only is he at the mercy of everyone else there, but then infects the rest of the family with every known bug on a regular basis. At least the family got their COVID vaccines.
So how many children in the USA have died from covid?
Edit: after some googling there are 73 million children in the US, and since the start of the pandemic 700 have died. Is that correct?
According to the CDC Data Tracker, 616 kids under age 15 have died of Covid. There are ~60,293,426 kids under age 15 in the US as of 2020. Children with severe comorbidities have a higher chance of death.
I guess I missed it. What are possible side effects of the vaccine?
Myocarditis potentially linked to intravenous injection due to not aspirating needles to check that they aren't in a blood vessel. Basically the vaccine hijacks your cells to make the spike, and your immune system attacks it, which is why your arm gets sore. If it spreads to other parts of your body and not just muscle, that's bad. In fact, the vaccine makers clearly label their vaccines as for intramuscular use only.
Widely varies from person to person. Some get mildly sore where they get jabbed, others straight up get mildly sick. It's never consistent. Still, the symptoms for the most part will be infinitely better than what you'll get from catching Covid. Allergic reactions can occur which is why they make you sit in a waiting room for like 20 minutes before dismissing you in the case of acute reactions.
And, as a note, still no long term effects post 6 weeks-2 months, just like every other vaccine.
Vastly increased resistance to COVID is the biggest side effect I'm aware of.
It's almost like people forget about the disease that got us into this mess. Almost as if it was the vaccine that caused the pandemic.. the mental gymnastics is beyond me.
They didn't forget.
None of the "objections" being raised are in good faith. They're spreading misinformation in a deliberate effort to spread COVID and kill people.
They've found a way to hurt the people they hate by just doing nothing, and they'd rather die than give it up.
Unknown, the long term ones.
you might feel crappy for a day or two. and you likely won't die.
The vaccine is safe and effective :)
Any word on when we can ditch masks for kids??
no mask-kid trading program that I know of yet. gotta keep the kids sorry 😉
Dang it
Finally! I was so worried about kids being at school with the kids who had anti-vaxxer nutbag parents!
Fantastic! My third grader is ready to have her life back!
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January is the estimate
Good. There’s no excuse then. This has been tested, and we’ve been doing similar research with mRNA vaccines for 20 years.
Schools need to mandate COVID vaccines ASAP.
The right can pout all they want. If we want to reduce spread, we mandate COVID vaccines like all other childhood vaccines.
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That's a lie.
https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/view/more-data-assert-vaccination-reduces-covid-19-spread
Stop spreading misinformation.
That's another lie. No vaccine has ever had 100% effectiveness. Pretending that "only" 80% or 90% effectiveness is basically useless makes plain what your agenda is.
Get your damn shot.
The key point is that yes, vaccinated people can still spread covid, BUT they are much less likely to get it. So vaccinated people are much less likely to spread covid. Also, no vaccine is 100% effective, so every vaccine ever still carries the risk that you can contract whatever it’s vaccinating against.
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Guys, hold on. The worlds top scientists recommend getting this shot, but a person on Reddit named Tatertottz disagrees. Best wait till we hear from him….
Yes, it does reduce spread. After vaccination, the body clears the virus more quickly, which results in less time being contagious. Fewer contagious days results in reduced transmission.
My kids are excited! Doing it at school in two weeks!!!
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Vaccine passports are not normal. It's a dystopian nightmare.
My Covid-denying Republican father is losing talking points every day. I can't wait to see what Qanon meme he posts next week, accusing Kamala of being Stalin's lovechild or some shit.
Emergency authorization.