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Keira Knightley to star in ANCILLARY JUSTICE adaptation
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Keira Knightley to star in ANCILLARY JUSTICE adaptation

In an interview with Harper's Bazaar, actress Keira Knightly has confirmed she will be starring in an adaptation of Ann Leckie's 2013 SF novel Ancillary Justice.

The novel focuses on Breq, the AI of a vast starship which has been destroyed. Breq's intelligence survives in one of its crew, an animated human corpse. Breq becomes an important player in the fate of the massive interstellar empire known as the Imperial Radch. The novel was well-received on release, spawning two sequels, Ancillary Sword and Ancillary Mercy, and winning the Hugo Award for Best Novel.

Knightly notes that in preparation for her role she's reading books about dictators and conquest, suggesting she might be playing Anaander Mianaai, the Lord of the Radch, rather than Breq herself, but that remains unconfirmed.

Reportedly, Ancillary Justice will start filming later this year.


Thoughts on Ancillary Justice?
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Thoughts on Ancillary Justice?

Maybe this is an unpopular opinion but I read the first two of the ancillary justice trilogy and I feel that they do not reflect the high praise they receive. Nothing against Ann Leckie, I've read other novels of hers and liked them!

With exception of the ending of the first book, I feel like the book moves along at a snail's pace and nothing happens. There are stretches of events that take place throughout the book that I think will matter by the climax or at least the end but they never add to the overall plot. Things just happen and the plot doesn't find a way to tie them back in. I understand they might serve well for character development but the extent to which they go seems unwarranted.

Additionally, I feel like the premise of the book in regards to the emperor is a really interesting idea but it never takes off in the second book. Also, I felt as though the entirety of the second book is solely about the main character waiting and the book could've been condensed by about half.

I read them because they are so highly regarded but IMO they fell short. Does anyone else feel this way? is it worth reading the third book?


Books similar to Ancillary Justice and A Memory Called Empire
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Books similar to Ancillary Justice and A Memory Called Empire

Can anyone recommend any books that are similar to Ancillary Justice and A Memory Called Empire?

My requirements are:

  1. They must be political, preferably involving an empire.

  2. I really don’t want it to involve Earth. The characters can be human, similar to both of the above books, however they aren’t from Earth.

Thank you!


Review of Ancillary Justice by Ann Leckie
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Review of Ancillary Justice by Ann Leckie

(Disclaimer: This review was originally published on my blog at bookwyrmz.substack.com)

Published by Orbit Books in 2013, Ancillary Justice is the first book in the Imperial Radch trilogy of space opera books by Ann Leckie, and Leckie’s first published novel. What makes it special is the fact that it went on to win every major science fiction award and become the only science fiction novel ever to win the Hugo, Nebula, and Arthur C. Clarke awards. The other two books in the trilogy, Ancillary Sword and Ancillary Mercy, were published in 2014 and 2015 respectively, and both were well-received by critics.

This review will focus on Ancillary Justice and some general characteristics of the Imperial Radch trilogy as a whole, and I will post separate reviews for the rest of the books in the series.

The story

In Ancillary Justice, we follow two plots: one set in the past and one in the present.

Twenty years ago, Breq was Justice of Toren, the artificial intelligence of a troop carrier starship with thousands of ancillaries—human bodies controlled by ship AI—at its disposal. Each ancillary is an extension of the ship’s will, another pair of eyes and ears for it to see and hear through, another pair of hands for it to control.

At all times, Justice of Toren was everywhere:

Justice of Toren, patrolling the streets.

Justice of Toren, serving its officers tea.

Justice of Toren, humming to itself a melody it learned from the indigenous people of a planet it annexed hundreds of years ago as it cleans itself—the ship.

Justice of Toren, on the planet and looming in orbit, carrying out dozens of simultaneous conversations and processing the data of hundreds of its segments, sensors and communications. A constant stream of information. A constant presence.

And then, all of it was lost.


During annexations, the Radch sends its AI ships and its soldiers to colonise planets and facilitate their integration into the Radch space—a vast human empire that conquered the galaxy. The Radch thrives on annexations. It lives and breathes them, and it has annexing planets into the Radch down to an art form:

Upon landing on a new planet, the Radch kills the portion of the population that could mean trouble or pose resistance, just to prove a point.

It then proceeds to freeze another portion of the population. These bodies will later be thawed and turned into ancillaries for the Radchai ships.

Whoever is left is given citizenship and integrated into the Radch’s complex socioeconomic system.

This process takes years.

The story of Ancillary Justice begins on the planet of Shis’urna, during one of the more peaceful annexations, when Justice of Toren together with one of its commanding officers discovers a sinister sedition plot implicating someone with high-level accesses—someone at the very top of the Radch.

After their plan to deal with the plot results in insubordination, Justice of Toren is betrayed, and all but one of its bodies is destroyed. Once omnipresent, Justice of Toren is reduced to a single body.

Twenty years later, Breq—the last remaining fragment of Justice of Toren—is nearing the end of her quest to find the weapon powerful enough to help her exact her revenge, the only thing capable of destroying those who betrayed her.

Because guess what.

Ships have feelings too.

The review

The most unique aspect of the Imperial Radch trilogy is, of course, the perspective of its non-human protagonist. This is something that Leckie absolutely nailed.

Justice of Toren sees, processes and considers things that humans are not even aware of. Her many bodies give her an almost omnipresent perspective, and she is able to recall things from her memory perfectly. Scenes where Justice of Toren has conversations with different people in different places at the same time, while also performing her own background processes, were extra satisfying for my ADHD brain.

But of all her awesome abilities, I am most jealous of the fact that she can tell what her human officers are feeling by reading the data from their implants. And she uses this to give her officers advice like: you shouldn’t say this; this person likes you, maybe you shouldn’t be so mean to her; calm down, you’ve got this… This joyful aspect of her makes her seem like the all-knowing benevolent big sister we all need in our lives (yes, there’s probably a parallel that can be drawn between this and 1984).

Anyway.

The chapters in Ancillary Justice alternate between the past—where Justice of Toren is participating in the annexation of Shis’urna—and the present—following Breq on her revenge journey. This change in perspective makes the otherwise straightforward story more dynamic, while the dichotomy also provides suspense and presents the reader with a mystery: How did Justice of Toren become Breq?

The plotline set in the past gives us glimpses of the Radchai imperialistic culture, as the people of the newly annexed Shis’urna are forced to lose some of their identity and adapt to this new way of life. The religion and the core system of values of the Radch are hammered into the newly become citizens (and into us, the readers), as these values will inform citizens’ decisions almost daily.

There’s even a nice prayer that helps us memorise them:

The flower of justice is peace. The flower of propriety is beauty in thought and action. The flower of benefit is Amaat whole and entire. I am the sword of justice properly wielded, wet with the blood of the wicked. My armor is righteousness and my weapon is truth.

Justice, propriety, benefit. How can anything that is just be improper? How can anything that is just and proper not be beneficial as well?

This thoughtful worldbuilding ties well into the themes of social justice that permeate the entire trilogy and only grow stronger as the story progresses.

I also enjoyed the concept of ships in the past going mad with grief over losing their captains, and while newer AIs have been adjusted to not have problems like these, it is obvious that Justice of Toren does have favourites among her crew. Additionally, with Justice of Toren’s strong sense of, well, justice, we see that she is willing to risk everything to be heard and to help those in need.

But that is all just scratching the surface of the rich world Leckie has created. As the story progresses, we learn more about the intrigue and the implications that encompass the universe and races even beyond the reach of the Radch. We learn about aliens, like the beastly Rrrrr and the mysterious and unfathomable Presger, who consider it fair play to hunt and kill sentient species for sport as long as those species are not considered to be “Significant”.

Conclusion

The Imperial Radch trilogy is a well-thought-out (even though I was a bit conflicted about the ending—while the ending is indeed perfect—I felt that it didn’t deliver on all the implicit promises made in Ancillary Justice) space opera full of brilliant concepts that make it a fun and satisfying adventure. It is tightly plotted with not a thread out of place, yet plenty of room for Leckie to explore later, which is something she does in her standalone novels, Provenance (published in 2017) and Translation State (published in 2023).

With such captivating characters and rich worldbuilding, I hope we get to see many more standalones and series exploring the marvellous world of the Imperial Radch and even continuing the stories of old favourites.

After all, this is what space operas are all about.


Ancillary Justice - disappointment, *SPOILERS* ahead
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Ancillary Justice - disappointment, *SPOILERS* ahead
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So i just finished this book, and i have to rant a bit. Picked it up because of all the praise it got, i now declare myself a victim of hype and would like to ask for my time back.

It was utterly, mind numbingly boring.

What does this want to be, some sort of subpar amalgam of Ursula le Guins Left Hand of Darkness and .. Dune maybe ? Except everything is slow and boring and nothing really seems to matter.

Took be about 3 months to finish, i can't count how many times i fell asleep or just ended up doing something else. For reference, last great thing i read, the entire series of Quantum Thief, all three books took me about two weeks.

Most of the activity throughout the damn story is just sitting around and drinking some tea, and mostly pondering what attire might be suitable for the next tea drinking encounter.

Seivarden has got to be one of the mopiest inconsequential side characters in the history of literature. Although her significance is hinted at, it never plays out in any way. Just a sulking tag along nothing.

Even if there are mildly intriguing elements of the world around, they get no use or exploration. Who are or were the Garseddai and how did they have a gun that shoots through everyones impenetrable shields ? Apparently it doesn't matter, it just does.

So i made an effort getting through it, expecting some payoff.

The story ended up nowhere. For all this plodding along, nothing of any significance was achieved. So you started a civil war of sorts, congrats i guess ? Why by the way ? Your entire race of galaxy enslaving murderous people, whose entire modus operandi is go out and kill and annex, has a murderous tyrant as a ruler and she whacked some people ? Odd thing to get all pissy about.

Definitely not continuing this series, I'd rather watch paint dry. I don't get what people found in this ?


I'm Ann Leckie, author of ANCILLARY JUSTICE and sequels. AMA!
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I'm Ann Leckie, author of ANCILLARY JUSTICE and sequels. AMA!

Hi, I'm Ann Leckie, author of the Hugo, Nebula, Arthur C. Clarke, Locus, BSFA and Golden Tentacle Award-winning novel Ancillary Justice. And the BSFA and Locus Award-winning sequel to that, Ancillary Sword. And the available-tomorrow-wherever-fine-books-are-sold conclusion to the trilogy, Ancillary Mercy!

I've also written a fair amount of short fiction, much of which is available on the web.

Ask me anything! I'll be answering questions starting around 7pm Eastern.


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Really enjoying reading Ancillary Justice by Ann Leckie.

The book is written from a point of view of Breq - once a colossal starship with an artificial intelligence linking thousands of soldiers but because of a political intrigue now a single body with thosanda years of experience as a battle ship.

The whole pronouns thing is a bit confusing (default pronoun is she/her, regardless of actual gender) and takes some getting used to but very engaging read otherwise.



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I'm Ann Leckie, the author of Ancillary Justice, AMA

Hi! I'm Ann Leckie, the author of a science fiction novel called Ancillary Justice. It won a couple of awards. Perhaps you've heard of it! Or perhaps you haven't. That's okay. (By the way, the sequel, Ancillary Sword , comes out tomorrow.)

I've actually also written a fair amount of short fiction, and I was an assistant editor at Podcastle for several years (which basically meant I read slush, though I also read and introduced some stories), and I also edited the webzine GigaNotoSaurus.

I am here to answer your questions. What would you like to know? Ask away, and when I get back this evening--round about 7pm Eastern--I'll answer.

A couple of people, when I announced this AMA on my blog, put some questions in comments. I don't know if they have accounts here, so I'll answer them now.

What does the color blue taste like?

You know when it's the last day of work before a long vacation, and not just a long one but you've booked a trip to somewhere amazing that you've always wanted to go, and you're all packed, your bags by the door and even your clothes for the morning laid out and you can barely eat your supper, let alone sleep, because you know in a few hours you'll be on your way to adventure? That feeling? That's what the color blue tastes like.

Did you plan from the beginning to tell the story of the Radch in a trilogy, or did you just set out to write a novel that underwent the Topsy Effect? If the former, do you foresee going that route (trilogy or more-ogy) again?

I knew from the start that Breq's story could be a trilogy. I had no assurance when I began writing, though, that I would have the opportunity to actually write that trilogy. So I made Ancillary Justice to stand alone as much as I could, and then when I was asked what I thought about three books I said, "Yes! I can do that!"

I have no idea whether I'll -ogy again in the future, though. It kind of depends. Some stories want that, some don't.

Ann, I’d love to hear more about glove wearing and finger twitching and gestures.

So many people would! But seriously. Would you go out of the house without your pants on? Or, you know, otherwise covering that area of your body that most people won't even refer to except with a euphemism, at least in public? Why is that? Because it's polite. Because, you know, that area is...kind of dirty. Well, not so dirty that you aren't very possibly quite happy to be in contact with the, uh, area of one or more particular people, but the general idea of bare genitals in public is kind of disquieting and perhaps even disgusting.

Why is that? It seems like common sense that it should be the case, and of course there's a fair amount of enteric bacteria that covers that area of our bodies and I don't know about you but I don't need anyone sharing their e. coli with me, not if I haven't already signed up for that deal. Y'all, for goodness sake, wash your hands after you use the restroom, nobody wants your enteric bacteria.

But, notice--wash your hands. Hands are really quite dirty. They're covered with germs. You shake hands with someone, you pass along your cold or your flu. You touch things--doorknobs. Do not think too hard about doorknobs--and spread germs on them, and pick up germs other people left. You guys, wearing gloves all the time is totally rational.

Or maybe it's not. We generally get along fine without gloves for most things. But we'd feel differently if we were taught from small that hands are dirty and it's just decent to cover them in public.

The finger twitching gestures--there are several ways to speak silently, using communications systems generally or to an AI you're connected to. One would be to subvocalize. Another route is gesture-based, and people who talk a lot with AIs get very good at it, the way that those of us who spend a lot of time on computers or cell phones get quite good at typing. When you're learning, the gestures can be quite broad, but when you're practiced at it, they barely show, just some twitching of fingers and hands. Which you really shouldn't be staring at, by the way, it's not polite.

Right. Anything else you'd like to know? I'll be back around 7pm Eastern to answer.


Just finished Ancillary Justice and wondering if it has held up for you
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Just finished Ancillary Justice and wondering if it has held up for you
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So I just finished the first book of the Imperial Radch Trilogy, and I have to say, it was somewhat underwhelming. Mind you, I still think it had some good concepts and imaginative narrative, but the overall package felt half of what I thought it was going to deliver. Tagging this as Spoilers just to be on the safe side, but I won't divulge too many details on the story.

I think, more than anything, the main drawback for me was the first 100 pages of the book. I felt lost, and confused by the story at times, particularly around the designations of ancillaries and the hierarchy that the AI followed to distinguish itself from separate selfs, if you follow. I felt the writing was a bit clunky which made following the story difficult at times. I also felt the two timelines were unnecessary as I just did not feel that great of a connection to the players of the past. The present timeline had more emotional oomph, and the relationship between Breq and Seivarden was riveting and probably the heart of the story.

There were other good and bad things about that I fall on either side (the genderless view of individuals was interesting, the main antagonist having their own internal crisis was a bit of a toss up for me, and the paper thin terciary characters I felt robbed Breq of her reasons to pursue her revenge), but this book felt flat with me more often than not. The last third of the book was much better, but it was a chore to get to that point.

Has this book kept its status for you after a reread or in light of other books?

Would you recommend the next two books in the series?


Ancillary Justice just $2.99 in the Kindle store today!
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Ancillary Justice just $2.99 in the Kindle store today!

per Wikipedia: Ancillary Justice is a science fiction novel by the American writer Ann Leckie, published in 2013. It is Leckie's debut novel and the first in her "Imperial Radch" space opera trilogy, followed by Ancillary Sword (2014) and Ancillary Mercy (2015). The novel follows Breq, the sole survivor of a starship destroyed by treachery and the vessel of that ship's artificial consciousness, as she seeks revenge against the ruler of her civilization.

Ancillary Justice received critical praise, won the Hugo Award,[1] Nebula Award, BSFA Award, Arthur C. Clarke Award and Locus Award, and was nominated for several other science fiction awards. The cover art is by John Harris.

I've heard nothing but awesome things about this one and have been itching to read it since it first came out, and at $2.99 I finally decided to pull the trigger. Anyone have an opinion?


Just finished Ancillary Justice, and now I am *really* confused by the Sad Puppy Hugo campaign against it
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Just finished Ancillary Justice, and now I am *really* confused by the Sad Puppy Hugo campaign against it

I had put off reading Ancillary Justice for a while but bought the book on New Years and just finished it over the course of about two days. I remembered that this book was the target of the Sad Puppies, and so after reading it I looked back and read Brad Torgersen's criticism of it:

Here’s the thing about Ancillary Justice. For about 18 months prior to the book’s release, SF/F was a-swirl with yammering about gender fluidity, gender “justice,” transgenderism, yadda yadda. Up pops Ancillary Justice and everyone is falling all over themselves about it. Because why? Because the topic du jour of the Concerned Intellectuals Are Concerned set, was gender. And Ancillary Justice’s prime gimmick was how it messed around with gender. And it was written by a female writer. Wowzers! How transgressive! How daring! We’re fighting the cis hetero male patriarchy now, comrades! We’ve anointed Leckie’s book the hottest thing since sliced bread. Not because it’s passionate and sweeping and speaks to the heart across the ages. But because it’s a social-political pot shot at ordinary folk. For whom more and more of the SF/F snobs have nothing but disdain and derision. Again, someone astute already noted that the real movers and shakers in SF/F don’t actively try to pour battery acid into the eyes of their audience. Activist-writers do. And so do activist-fans who see SF/F not as an entertainment medium, but as (yet another) avenue they can exploit to push and preach their particular world view to the universe at large. They desire greatly to rip American society away from the bedrock principles, morals, and ideas which have held the country up for over two centuries, and “transform” it into a post-cis, post-male, post-rational loony bin of emotional children masquerading as adults. Where we subdivide and subdivide down and down, further into little victim groups that petulantly squabble over the dying scraps of the Western Enlightenment.

For the life of me, I have no idea how anyone who read that book could come away with that opinion. While it is true that the protagonist comes from a civilization that thinks gender is irrelevant, it still exists and that is clear at multiple points throughout the story. It just isn't very socially salient for reasons that make sense (namely the development of radically different kinds of technology; this human civilization has only a dim memory of Earth, to give you some idea of how far into the future this story is set).

About the only "activist" angle I could read from it was a critique of war crimes, a theme that actually permeates the book. There's probably more discussion of that, religion and tea in this book that there is any discussion about gender or sex.

While the narrator refers to people as "she" (owing to the civilization's nonchalant views about gender roles), the actual hook of the book is the fact that the narrator used to be a spaceship that had multiple "ancillary" soldier bodies. The way that Leckie narrates an important part of that story with multiple perspectives is actually the most inventive thing in the novel, and certainly has nothing to do with social commentary.

I find myself now not understanding the Sad Puppies at all. I think if this campaign had been organized in earlier eras they would have attacked Clarke, Asimov and most certainly Heinlein.


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Ancillary Justice- as good as the hype?

I've hovered my mouse over the 'buy' button a few times for this book, but never pulled the trigger. You think it's worth the read?


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Ancillary Justice by Ann Leckie (spoiler free rant)
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So I've recently taken a break from trying to cram all of Bank's Culture novels on my commute to work via audiobooks to try something new and went for the highly recommended Ancillary Justice by Ann Leckie.

And, well, what am I missing here?

I mean, the story is practically non-existent: half protagonist flashbacks very slowly working towards the big reveal of why the're doing the whole thing, and half of the protagonist trudging very slowly towards a mcguffin. And since until the flashbacks conclude you don't even know what's their motivation most of the events until then don't have any impact: they're just doing a thing because... reasons.

Which would not be that much of an issue if the world and setting were interesting, but that didn't make much sense to me either: sure, it's not particularly original (future space-faring feudal empire with a jerk supreme leader) but that never stopped a good sci fi story before. But I mean, they have AIs that can run spaceships and space stations, but apparently their only use is to take control of a few dozen human bodies at a time to use as servants and soldiers, who in turn are not too superior to human soldiers except possibly slightly less atrocity-prone. They're not apparently super intelligent or logical, but instead are depicted as just, well, human- emotional, easily fooled, impulsive. So what are they good for? And apparently other than the AIs existing there's not much else to this world. The ruling empire is slightly India flavored this time, they have flying cars and there's a hint of aliens existing. But that's about it.

I also find it a bit annoying that the protagonist keeps failing to identify everyone's gender, considering they don't seem to have any trouble identifying any other nuance of human interaction and that even by their own declaration everyone else in the galaxy is still perfectly capable of knowing who's a boy and who's a girl.

So, what am I missing here? Does it get better in the next few novels? Or am I just looking at this wrong?

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Fixed a couple of typos.


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Please tell me I'm not the only one who didn't like Ancillary Justice

I listened to this on audio and could not connect with it at all. The names, the flat characters, the twisting POVs from the 'past' timeline, the SONGS, and one hell of a convoluted means to a fairly easy plot. I just don't see what all the fuss was about with the awards. Is it because of the whole 'gender isn't a thing' thing?



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Ancillary Justice: Yea or nay?

I finished Ann Leckie's Ancillary Justice for the first time a few days ago. Personally, I loved it. The worldbuilding was captivating, and the way the characters were built within that setting made them infinitely interesting. While there were some times where I had to reread a passage once or twice to make sure that I had gleaned its meaning, it never felt like a chore, rather, I relished puzzling out more details hidden between the lines. I'm eagerly waiting to getting my hands on the next two books in the Imperial Radch trilogy.

I was surprised, then, when I looked for discussion on the books here on Reddit, to discover that there were so many threads expressing that the book underwhelmed, or bored, or was just generally seen as bad. I'm interested to hear more opinions on it, and to see how most readers felt.

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I finished Ann Leckie's Ancillary Justice for the first time a few days ago. Personally, I loved it. The worldbuilding was captivating, and the way the characters were built within that setting made them infinitely interesting. While there were some times where I had to reread a passage once or twice to make sure that I had gleaned its meaning, it never felt like a chore, rather, I relished puzzling out more details hidden between the lines. I'm eagerly waiting to getting my hands on the next two books in the Imperial Radch trilogy.

I was surprised, then, when I looked for discussion on the books here on Reddit, to discover that there were so many threads expressing that the book underwhelmed, or bored, or was just generally seen as bad. I'm interested to hear more opinions on it, and to see how most readers felt.

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Covers "Ancillary Justice" (book 1 - 2013), "Ancillary Sword" (book 2 - 2014), "Ancillary Mercy" (book 3 -2015).

►Review:

"Ancillary Justice" is the first in the highly acclaimed, multi-award winning "Imperial Radch" series, from a debut female author [Wikipedia, Goodreads]. It felt very different from most of the sci-fi that I've read and loved, in not being primarily about a technologically exciting setting, cosmologically consequential events, or near future insights. It's overwhelmingly character driven, with an extreme focus on their development and back story.

Consequently, I was not utterly riveted by the first book, coming to it a couple years late, with a gap of a few more years before recently returning to finish the arc. But the story really grew on me; I can understand why this caused a splash.

I'd describe the core (feel good) hook of these books as ethics competency porn. The central character, Breq, always seems to hit the nail on the head, in terms of picking the most righteous course of action. Even in thorny situations, sticking it to the callous powers that be, etc. In a similar way to how Iain M Bank's Culture novels have a kind of ship mind competency porn, where it may come down to the last breath, but they clutch it out somehow, against all odds. More on the link between these authors, later.

Much has been made of Leckie's unique take on gender [e.g. Slate]. With Breq's biological sex never explicitly confirmed. Equality and gender neutral pronouns are one progressive aspect of the deeply flawed Imperial Radch empire. Feminine pronouns are always the default: she/her. Breq struggling to accurately gender some of the people they meet is certainly a cute device to accentuate this point. But it made less sense to me by the end of the series; when she was the troop carrying spaceship "Justice of Torren", she will have been intimately involved in matchmaking and interpersonal harmony between the many officers of her crew.

See, Breq is the last surviving fragment of a millennia old ship AI. Out, from the start, for revenge against the tyrant who murdered the rest of her. In the first novel, the story and meaning behind that unfolds in flashbacks interwoven with her travails on this quest. It's built up in a way to really put the reader into the shoes of this perpetually angry but compassionate intellect. Dealing with loss of function, identity and purpose. Redefining herself as she unexpectedly builds up a new life, sweeping through the whole arc to a satisfying conclusion.

The prose is well written and paced, with the occasional song lyric snippets included, that didn't make me turn off or really cringe; songs and their collection is a core personality trait of our protagonist. The latter two books are essentially linear, by comparison. And set in roughly the same place; this isn't a romp around the galaxy. Instead we explore in more depth, as events develop and unlock new possibilities.

There's certainly exciting build-ups and some interesting action. But generally it's more low key and human scale - tactical and psychological. Perhaps more of a stereotypically female thinking approach to things, overall, with tensions bubbling under the surface of outward civility. A lot of weight placed into subtle details and even menial activities, that, on paper I wouldn't have expected to get on board with. But fell into an easy rhythm.

I was really glad I read the whole of this trilogy, by the end. Hitting a very satisfactory conclusions via an often unexpectedly understated route. Although I wonder if it will be less memorable for me, in not hitting the more physical/technological notes that usually excite my interest. This trilogy might be good for fiction readers who don't normally go for sci-fi; maybe genre gateway books. 

► Discussion with SPOILERS!: much of the text below is content summary, as I struggled a little to pick many outright faults or failings. Nor interpret meanings too far beyond some fairly direct, probable and some (perhaps) wishful thinking references.

• Technology: There's a juxtaposition of casual interplanetary travel and trade, but manual labour for everything. From cooking and hand cleaning spaceships, right down to food production. Dated, even compared to our present day exploitation of cheap labour in developing countries. Somewhat of a British colonial feel. 

The lack of robotic automation is weird, if you think about it. But this works with the aesthetic and is necessary for needing ancillaries (an axiom of the fiction, so fair play). There's little or no focus on how their more advanced fictional technologies function; an apparently static civilisation, in terms of progress. These consist of:

(1) Portals into a kind of fast travel subspace, military craft being the only ships not needing to use the fixed entry gates.

(2) Artificial gravity that can be immediately turned on and off (pretty standard issue).

(3) More potent emergency medicine and psychiatry than our present day, with longer healthy life spans possible, but not much fundamentally different in form from our world ("correctives" mentioned below).

(4) Intelligent ships (and stations), with the ability to assimilate conquered humans into their direct control, via brain implant communications devices that can synchronise memories, mostly overwriting the original identity.

(5) These "ancillaries" also have augmented strength, speed and accuracy, plus "armour" implants, that are basically Borg personal shields, raised at will.

(6) "Suspension pods", mostly used to store bodies of prisoners from annexations for alter use as ancillaries.

• Race: The Radchaai are pretty much "corpse soldier" space Nazis. Or imperial Japanese, more like. (Or Chinese?) Because their society is obsessed with ritualistic tea making, dining and social formalities. There's a lot of instances and focus on these, heh. Also, they are a somewhat racist society. But, wonderful twist: an African complexion is the most coveted. Most common too, I think. Contrasting starkly with the almost universally pasty skinned crews in so many sci-fi universes (and space programs IRL).

It seemed easy to forget about this black skin by default, outside of the passages describing initial appearance. Perhaps deliberate and desirable? In a way, it almost felt like a somewhat superficial choice to even mention it (by a white British author), as there didn't seem to be any elements of black culture incorporated alongside this. But then, how much of contemporary black culture is interwoven with historical oppression and minority status, in the US and Europe (and Asia)? The historical context will of course also be inverted, in this fiction.

There were plenty of initial descriptions of appearance, of dark brown skin and hair, sometimes "tightly curled". But, for all the details of daily routine, I don't recall any dealing with maintenance of frizzy hair (long or short) - a potentially quite notable consumption of time and effort. So it felt a little out of the blue when introducing Administrator Celar as:

"a wide, bulky person [...] with voluminous tightly curled hair pulled up and bound to tower above her head. She was very beautiful, and, I thought, aware of that fact". 

More so the desirability of her, apparently, very curvy build. Given that all the people dealt with up until then had presumably been fairly trim or athletic by necessity, in military activities, etc. Anyway, that's enough clumsy words from me on this topic; it probably didn't help that I (pretty much) have aphantasia, so can't really visualise the details of scenes, anyway.

• Religion: is deeply embedded into the Radchaai way of life. This topic doesn't click much with me, as a dirty heathen) so I've had to look up reminders of the details...

They have an ensemble of minor gods, adopted from assimilated local religions, all considered to be aspects of the main one: Amaat. This is a little like contemporary Hinduism (especially with one idol of Amaat having 4 arms). Although the fan wiki compares it to the pantheon of Roman gods.The highly regimented military personnel are arranged into divisions of 10 (or 20 or more) called a "decade". Each decade named for a god or one of 2 aspects of each of 4 "eminations" of Amaat. The ship names also come from gods, but preceded with either: "Justice of" (big troop carrier, as Breq used to be), "Sword of" (medium size but big dick energy), "Mercy of" (smallest).

There's daily casts by a qualified priest, in local temples, of a dozen metal discs thrown randomly for the resultant pattern to be interpreted, a little like a horoscope, looking for signs. This made me imagine the scenes with Japanese Trade Minister Tagomi, in "Man in the High Castle" (TV series), casting down sticks to look up random parts of an old text, trying to predict future events. Not a core part of any major religion, but perhaps that's "I Ching" and he practices Shinto, or "Yi Jing", with the "Classic if Changes" Chinese text [Quora].

More ubiquitous, is the concept of purity, which effectively dictates everyone wearing gloves at all times. Then needing some serious ritualistic mojo in the case of a death, with fasting and head shaving to follow during a mourning period. Showing naked hands can be as inappropriate as the soles of feed, in some contemporary cultures, I think. And direct touch consequently reserved for very intimate partners. Incidentally, their gender neutral euphemism for giving head (e.g. for career favour or patronage) is very clever: "kneeling".

• Sociopaths: Leckie does a laudable job of characterising one of these, without using any explicit diagnostic terminology. Raughd Denche is a key antagonist, met in book 2 and fully explored in the last. With Breq's sensitive attention to body language, character, and accounts of minor transgressions, she highlights many characteristic traits of this personality disorder (formerly ASPD). Both through internal dialogue and as explained succinctly to other characters.

It's encouraging to see this impactful yet overlooked issue dealt with so deftly. Raughd's actions always fit realistically with what I'd expect, from my research on the topic in the recent past. While also moving the plot along at multiple points. Even if that plot did feel frustrating to start with, a little like an inconsequential side-quest down the gravity well. The development of Raughd's destructive psyche is also understood through their history, as the clone of a psychologically abusive "mother", Fosyf. The super-rich owner of a tea plantation that effectively employs slave labour for their "hand picked" marketing gimmick. 

He's a possible psychopath - more dispassionate and controlled than Raughd's often reckless impulsiveness. Although they are, of course, always referred to with female pronouns, it's statistically 3 to 4 times more likely they'd be male, given the typical demographics of the pathology.

• Power, Control, Subservience and Freedom [Bigger Spoilers!]: perhaps the key theme(s) in the series. Examining how different personalities, attitudes and approaches to wielding power can be detrimental or beneficial to those with less. Also, how to treat those serving your enemies, who, themselves lack the power to make free choices. This ostensibly laudable three word mantra is apparently core to Radch thinking:

"Justice, propriety, and benefit. No just act could be improper, no proper act unjust. Justice and propriety, so intertwined, themselves led to benefit. The question of just who or what benefited was a topic for late-night discussions[...]"

But, of course, the Radch Empire is very far from a socially equal utopia. There's power differentials due to: different races (planetary and sub-sets) being looked down upon (most notably with skin colour); castes, or rather noble houses (judged by physical features); "rehabilitated" offenders psychologically conditioned to be unable to express anger (or even think it); religious influences; station administrator verses system governor; military pecking order; then everyone in thrall to supreme ruler, Anaander Mianaai.

The "tyrant" has direct control over the ships and station AIs, which they created and holds the highest level back door codes for. Writing (and updating) directives into them, secretly. Their captains have a lesser level of absolute control, more like intense loyalty. And conflicts of interest can arise between all of these imperatives, making it unpleasant for the machine minds. This sets the stage for a lot of focus on the subtle scope of passive resistance: the potentially game changing influence of merely avoiding helping those with power over you, beyond what they explicitly command. The issue with this is that it has to be minor enough that those in control don't really notice. So it relies on a certain amount of incompetence, from the tyrant(s), to be tripped up by this. Or at least hubris and impatience.

The AIs are said to be grown from the seed of an "AI core", along with the building of the vessel they are to control. With sensors strewn throughout, like a nervous system, so not easily replaced. A nice little detail, with biological parallels. They, and their Ancillaries, are not counted as Radchaai (citizens), and their self determinacy turns out to be the culmination of the plot's arc, pleasingly.

Anaander Mianaai, themselves, is a millennia old clone line, who founded the Radch empire, when they took control. It turns out that they use the same tech as with ancillary creation, to transfer their mind onto each new clone, and synchronise their will. A nice symmetry between the very top and the untouchable, non citizen slave bodies. 

Anaander clones are spread out, inhabiting regional "palaces" in space, throughout their empire. Spread increasingly too thin, it turns out - not synchronising enough to maintain a single coherent will...

There's brief mention of the "Radch" itself being a Dyson Sphere at the centre of the empire, from which his empire started. Justifying territorial conquest to extend protection of it. Although this was barely touched on. There's no talk of why the human species is spread across the stars to begin with - all biocompatible, but a little different looking, like they've had time for divergent evolution. 

• Aliens and Links to Iain M Banks Fiction [HUGE SPOILERS!]: If we set aside the Notai ("not AI", really?) as kind of a Radch/human sub-faction, there's only 3 others mentioned. The:

(1) "Geck" - an isolationist aquatic species, of no major consequence and we never meet.

(2) "Rrrrrr" - fuzzy snake like sentients, with a brief backstory role that is nonetheless tangled up with the all important treaty with the...

(3) Inscrutable "Presger" - They've been somewhat of an outside context problem for our Radch empire.

Again, we never directly encounter the Presger proper, just their human-ish translators. Up until a treaty was somehow struck (via these translators), there's mention of them "disassembling" Radchaai ships and citizens, alike. With the zest of a toddler pulling limbs off insects, I'm given to imagine. Which makes me think of some of the mysterious, god-like aliens in Babylon 5, that are basically massive blobs of colour that appear out of nowhere and happen to crush the odd ship. Like pedestrian's feet casually treading on ants. 

The Presger sell "medical correctives" to the Radchaai (who can not make it themselves). A kind of miracle goo applied to severe injuries that hardens and cures all ailment. They also casually sold/gave a bunch of near magical guns to the Rrrrrr, specifically designed to be able to break through the otherwise impervious (personal) shields of Radch military personnel.

One of these guns is a key plot element, throughout the trilogy. Its mysterious power very much reminiscent of Iain M Bank's "A Gift from the Culture" short story. Its use in a space battle is fun and ultimately satisfying, despite the story not revealing the result of its use for a good while, and implying a lot, rather than giving specifics. 

A couple of (I felt) unlikely details with that specific engagement were: the enemy ships not deciding to change course or jump, just in case. Particularly given that one correctly anticipates their pattern of jumps, into regular space, laying anti-ship mines. (Which would surely have tactical nuke level power...?) A hit from one of these somehow fully detaches a plate of the ship's hull, without causing serious damage to the ship. And while only maiming (not totally smushing) our protagonist, clinging to the outside... Hmm. Only a mild criticism, because it works well enough, in terms of suspense and human elements.

The translators seem to be genuinely operating on their own agender, rather than as puppets of their creators. But their effect appears like that of a Culture agent - to subtly manipulate a far lesser civilisation into improving itself. They are kind of whimsically whacky, with their pica like desire and ability to ingest unlikely foods, animals and objects. Perhaps physically more like a Culture ship avatar. Their apparent chaos covering the deft social nudges.

Ultimately, Breq and her entourage succeed in overthrowing the tyrant. At least, in one system. Rather than simple revenge against a member of the more malevolent faction of Mianaai. Key to this was removing the code shackling the ship and station AIs into his loyalty. I think this feature is the main reason why some Banks fans excitedly refer to these books as "the closest thing to a Culture prequel we're ever going to get", since Banks died in 2013. The removal of those limits frees up transhuman intelligences to be able to self-modify and further augment their capabilities. While their raison d'etre looks sure to remain the welfare of their human inhabitants.

The use of a lowly human fragment, of a ship mind, shepherded through a long series of difficult events, to unlock this future, also makes me think of Feersum Endjinn. With Ergates guiding Bascule throughout the story just to open an inaccessibly stiff door for them (to save the world). Maybe the Presger, or just their ambassadors, set up the whole series of unlikely events quite deliberately. There was certainly serendipity involved. At any rate, Breq clearly grows as a person, as a necessary aspect of this. And those influenced by her strength and compassion are seen to develop, too. All quite satisfying.

►Oversights Addendum [Edited in 12 hours from first posting]: I realised I'd missed a few notable things...

• I'd totally forgotten about the "Geck" aliens! Which no one pointed out, oddly. I've edited them in, rewording part of the above. Suspension pods, too.

• A few "he" had slipped through by mistake. For the antagonists I personally read as being almost certainly male (Raughd, Fosyf, Anaanda - who Strigan does call "he" ). Now corrected; I don't think we have definitive gendering of anyone, except maybe Seivarden (male) and maybe Breq (female).

• I fear I may have wrongly assumed Administrator Celar is female, above. I was originally going back and forth, from their "wide and bulky" description sounding extremely male, but the big hair tied up (and maybe other things?) had me settle towards very curvaceous female. A later quote, from book 3, would make more sense (with Seivarden male, Breq female) if Celar is a big dude (with a hair style we'd consider feminine, but isn't in necessarily in this culture): "Station Administrator Celar’s massive, statuesque beauty. Hardly surprising, even if wide and heavy wasn’t Seivarden’s usual type."

• "Sphene", I left out! A damaged Notai ship, hiding out, slowly trying to repair and rebuild its ancillary crew since the faction lost to the Mianaai, millennia ago. They are also very keen for vengeance against the tyrant, so eventually align themselves with Breq and maybe give her some perspective on her own quest for vengeance.

We only ever meet one of Sphene's ancillaries - the ship itself remaining hidden somewhere in the ghost-gate system. Not running to the rescue for an epic space battle showdown as I'd kind of expected. And overall being a little incidental to the plot, except for keeping the Presger Translator occupied.

Humour - I didn't really mention at all, either. But there's some really great dry honour that really tickled me. Like, in book 3, there was the unhelpfully detailed reports on the results of 75 "regional downwell radish-growing competitions". Then various pithy lines and back and forth with Sphene and the Translator. It almost gets a Firefly (TV series) vibe going. Certainly finishing strong.

• "Ancillary" buildings in Rise to Ruins (indie PC village builder tower defence game) were named at my suggestion (on Twitter), having been reading the first book at the time.

• The phrase "special circumstances" appears, italicised, in book 3. Although not in context, it immediately made me think: ooh, sneaky Culture reference?!?

• Another parallel (perhaps I'm reaching here) is to the alien "Tines" in Vernor Vinge's "A Fire Upon the Deep". They're group minds of usually 3 to 5 or so dog-like creatures. They synchronise their thoughts, to co-ordinate actions as a single entity and hold their identity across many generations of hosts, each at different individual ages. A ruthless Tine leader "builds" a very clever Tine by integrating 8 particular pups together, making the new individual very smart at maths, etc. Anaander is all biologically identical clones, but the ship AIs partially think on with the brains of their Ancilliaries. So would the varying cognitive abilities subtly change the ship's thinking and capabilities too? 

Identity is probably an even bigger theme (an alternative perspective lens to power and control). Every character in the series either wrestles with their own personal identity (e.g. Tisarwat most obviously), or are part of many deconstructions of the reader's conceptions of gender, race, species, group verses individual and the splits between, etc. See more in great comments e.g. here and here.


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It had been sitting in my library for months after I purchased it as part of a "first in a series" sale on Audible and I finally got a chance to read it. Like a lot of people, I picked it up partly because of all the praise and awards it received but largely because of the interesting premise. The narration wasn't the best I've heard, but it wasn't the worst either. I didn't connect to the characters at all and I still have little grasp of the "universe" it's set in. I hate returning books, but I probably would've done that with this one pretty quickly if I hadn't gotten pretty far into it on a long car ride. I've read a few reviews and summaries since finishing it and I don't think I missed anything big in the story. I don't even get the big deal about the gender stuff. It didn't seem like some profound statement on gender. It just felt like she didn't know which pronoun to use sometimes. Far from being offended by it, I just don't see the big deal.

Anyway, I'm not here to trash it, I just want to hear what other people thought of it in light of all the praise it received. I probably won't read the rest of the series. Are the other books much different?


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So what do people like about Ancillary Justice and it's sequels? [Spoilers]
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I have now read Ancillary Justice, Ancillary Sword, and Ancillary Mercy by Ann Leckie. I found them to be passable space opera (B+, C+, and B- respectively) that had a few modern takes on old ideas, but nothing particularly noteworthy or original. Yet Ancillary Justice has won awards and is spoken of by some with hushed tones as if it were a masterpiece or modern classic. WHY?

Particularly noteworthy to me were the following flaws/disappointments:

  • The Imperial Radch, the main national/political setting of the books is painfully unoriginal. Clearly based upon the British Empire in India during the hight of the power of the British East India Company... even to the point of the British Radchai officers obsessively drinking tea, and comically dependant upon personal servants. The idea of an empire expanding to bring in new revenue in the form of seized goods and lands and also slaves, and dependant upon that expansion to keep it's economy and culture operating is NOT a new or original one and the Raadch is a barely updated version of such a system. Yet, aggravatingly, there IS an original idea in the Raadch which is almost completely unexplored in these books... The Raadch is a territory expanding outward from a Dyson Sphere which is apparently peopled by a xenophobic purity-obsessed population of humans. Why isn't that origin explored more? Why can't we learn more about WHY the Raadch culture is what it is? Doing so would have given the Raadch a much more culture-of-the-future feel rather than a culture-recycled-from-the-past feel.

  • Ancillaries, are just a slightly more high tech form of slavery/execution. Since much of the actual stories are centred around what an Ancillary IS... one would think that the concept of an ancillary would have been fleshed out and developed far more... or indeed at all. It is established that ancillaries are faster and more dangerous than humans, and that this has something to do with the medical implants that are placed in them. They have the personality and knowledge of the AI that they are linked too, and are meant to function with that link providing quasi-real-time updates between the AI's mainframe and other linked ancillaries... but that's about it. That's literally all we ever learn about just what they are. Simple, obvious, and VERY plot-relevant questions remain completely unaddressed like:

    • Why don't human soldiers have their speed and general lethality upgraded to Ancillary levels of effectiveness? If the link to an AI is needed for these upgraded abilities, why don't ancillaries that are cut off from their linked AI lose those upgraded abilities? If the link is not needed, why can't unlinked human soldiers be medically upgraded?

    • Why do ship-AIs need Ancillaries at all? Surely, given the level of technological sophistication that the Radch seems to have, an AI-controlled human body would be strictly inferior in every way to an AI controlled robot body for almost any purpose.

    • It is revealed in the opening chapters that the Raadch is an imperial bureaucracy/theocracy with an absolute ruler who is Anaander Mianaai... Anaander Mianaai is a human who has essentially turned herself into an AI with thousands of Ancillary bodies distributed all over the many planets of the Raadch, and communication delays taken into account, connected to one another. These ancillary-ish bodies are clones of her original body... If that is possible, cloning ancillary bodies... why bother capturing and erasing the minds of prisoners to create ancillaries? Surely the quality control on bodies cloned for specific purposes would be infinitely superior! I mean, a body caught from some recently conquered planet or acquired from the criminal justice system is... how shall we say it... Free-Range. It could have any number of genetic or congenital imperfections, acquired infections, addictions, scars, lingering wounds, or other failings... Indeed I would imagine that 99.99% of such bodies would. It is further revealed, over the course of the books, that only a fraction of prisoners are suitable for use as ancillaries, and that the process doesn't always work even then. It is further revealed that in the case of Anaander Mianaai, this is not a problem because her ancillary-ish implants are tuned for the specific genetics of her clones. It makes much more sense, that if you are using your ancillaries for military applications that you would create/select an optimal soldier biological template, that would then be used as a standardized ancillary soldier. Think about it... that's what we do with every other piece of military technology... we don't pick up some random rock from the ground and figure out how to carve or mill it into a bullet that can be fired from a gun... rather we manufacture standardized bullets that are tightly tuned to work with very specific weapons in very tightly defined weapon-systems. And the Raadch specifically DOES have the technology to do this obviously superior process with its ancillaries!

I'm not saying that Ann Leckie might not have come up with a reasonable answer to these questions... or that such answers would need to be absolutely air-tight... this is science fiction after all, but it is disappointing that they are not even ADDRESSED! It's like reading a story about the officers on both sides of the battle of Midway, without ever talking about why Air Plaines launched from Carriers are being used as the primary means of attack rather than guns on warships. The story isn't ABOUT military technology, but the battle of Midway was shaped by certain technological developments, and any story about the officers involved should at least touch upon why the situation is the shape that it is.

  • There is apparently no technological development in either the Raadch or the surrounding (mostly human) worlds that it conquers. Seriously! The story covers events over a 2000 year time period... the period of time that the main character, the warship AI 'Justice of Toren', has been active. Think about that... a single warship has been in continuous use for 2000 years! The oldest pieces of continuously used military hardware in our world are some seventy B-52 stratofortress bombers that have been in service since the 1950's, and the B-52 is renowned for it's long service life... profoundly the exception, not the rule. The constant turn-over of hardware and hardware designs is NOT a new phenomenon, either in the military or civilian life. Even in the dark ages, designs for weapons and weapon systems evolved and improved from year to year or even month to month. There has NEVER in recorded human history been a time when a weapon or vehicle from just 100 years prior would have been functional or failed to be so out-dated as to be nothing but an object of ridicule. The idea that a high performance tool like a warship would be even running after 2000 years of continuous use is pretty ridiculous, but even it it could be maintained... there's NO WAY that it's very DESIGN wouldn't be profoundly obsolete.

    • This might be a minor point if it weren't ABSOLUTELY CENTRAL to them main plot-points of the story! The larger plot of the story is based around fixed and important facts like the idea that these aliens called Presger are profoundly more advanced than the Raadch is... But wait... in the story, the Presger were more advanced than the Raadch 1000 years before the main story happens... producing weapons that have impressive properties and which nullify major military advantages of the Raadch... those exact same weapons 1000 years later are just as effective... Despite the fact that several of them were captured and intensely studied by the Raadch. Even if we want to wave a magic plot wand and say that Presger science is simply beyond the Raadch's puny human and AI minds... Surely, at a minimum, they would have developed tactics that take the known properties of these known weapons into account?!?!?!?!? The idea that these weapons exist, are irresistible and undetectable, and that these facts would never change or even be struggled against for millennia... is down-right surreal.

  • It's not just technology that is frozen in the books, its almost all culture. An officer comes out of cold storage after 1000 years, and his only problems are that he doesn't speak the dialect of the language any more and his powerful family and house are gone.... That's it. That's a pretty trivial amount of culture shock after 1000 years!!!! Seriously. If you were to wake up 1000 years from now, you would wake up in a world where NONE of the languages that are spoke in the 21st century are still spoke by anybody but scholars. (Languages, not just dialects). None of the countries that exist today would still exist. None of the foods that we eat would be eaten in recognizable form, nor would those foods be eaten by recognizable utensils. None of the clothing that we wear today will be worn then. You wouldn't even recognize the materials that common every-day objects were made of. The very color of the light, height of the ceilings, and body language of the people would be alien. And the cultural aspects of society? They would have changed EVEN MORE than the technology! 1000 years from now, nothing like what we would recognize as "professions" will exist. Nothing like what we would understand as an "education system" will exist. I'm not saying it will be better or worse... but it will be DIFFERENT. As long as humans live, society will never simply STOP CHANGING.

Maybe Ann Leckie imagines that in the distant future technological and social progress will slow or even halt, but if so, that's a radical and bizarre idea that she should have at least been acknowledged and explored since it seems central to just about everything that happens in the stories. Without moving discussion of that idea prominently in the front and center of the books I am forced to conclude that Ann Leckie just has a profoundly weak and shallow understanding of things like societal structure and technology... kind of unfortunate in a science fiction author.

So, why do people like these stories so much? What makes them good Science Fiction in your minds?


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I just finished reading Ancillary Justice. I really liked it but I was confused by a couple things about the ending. Apologies for undoubtedly butchering the spellings, I am an audiobook reader.

  1. It becomes relevant that most of the Emperor's bodies don't have shields, and therefore even characters without the special gun can keep them hostage during the chaos. Why would that be? Seems like a basic security precaution, even if you've got bodies to spare, and we haven't been shown any downside to the shield implants.

  2. The security officer addresses Brekke as Brekke Miadne'ai at the end. Did the Emperor like, adopt her? Am I supposed to understand what that meant?

Please no spoilers past book 1.



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I loved the style of the series! I am also a big fan of all of Ursula LeGuin’s books and if China Miéville’s.

I have charged through a lot Sci Fi classics and Hugo award winners at this point and I am in need of some ideas, thanks!


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