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A Court of Thorns and Roses

Well-written, mature, adult version of A Court of Thorns and Roses?
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Well-written, mature, adult version of A Court of Thorns and Roses?

Hi all—I was peer pressured to read this series by the hype surrounding it & friends promising me it’ll be the best fantasy series I’ll ever read.

I’m halfway through the second book and I truly cannot finish. These books are so tragically juvenile, the characters are written like angsty teenagers, and despite my curiosity about the world-building, I can’t read anymore. Whoever told me it was filled with smut (sorry, guilty pleasure) doesn’t know the definition of the word.

Does this sub have any recommendations for books that are similar in nature and theme but are actually well-written, deep, enticing, and just generally intelligent? Like in a perfect world I would eat this series up it been written similarly to like, Game of Thrones mixed with True Blood. A delightful combination!

EDIT: The recommendations don’t have to be only smut! Lol! I’m just saying that ACOTAR was sold to me as such, and it’s not. I’m just looking for mature, intelligent series that are similar to ACOTAR.

EDIT 2: Thank you all so much for these amazing recommendations.


I really really do not like ACOTAR (A court of thorns and roses)
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I really really do not like ACOTAR (A court of thorns and roses)

Hi guys!

Quick post because I went on TikTok to see people talking about how good ACOTAR was and I can't stand it (shoot me if you think I am horrible for this).

I forced myself to read the first book. Did not even TOUCH the second book. ('m just joking I read a chapter or two then literally flung it away).

Like the best way to describe it was: it felt like the world had been built around the characters rather then the characters being built INTO the world. (idk if this makes sense).

When I was reading it in my head there were like 10 people in this whole faeirie (??? idk the spelling tbh) kingdom. Everyone other then the two men fairie and the maid (who somehow was the most developed character) were evil. There is so much I could say about this book (nothing good don't worry I haven't lost my mind yet)

I have been reading since I first learnt English. My first every memory of coming to this country was going to the library. Me and my brother would get 16 books (which was the max) EACH and finish them in 2 weeks. I was top reader in my school for years. What I am trying to say is I'm the type of person who has read ALOT and also reads EVERYTHING. I can read literal kid novels to classic literature.

NOTHING I have ever read has made my blood boil as much as ACOTAR has. Like I have read online books with SHITTY GRAMMAR and spelling mistakes so bad you question the persons credibility yet they have been better then whatever this mess was.

I am so sorry 😭

I think the part that pissed me off was that people were hyping it up.
(I am convinced people only like to read the SMUT parts. As long as it has SMUT it's top literature. Like it doesn't matter if she got assaulted and just 'forgave' the guy - people will EAT IT UP if its sexual 😭



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The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms and A Court of Thorns and Roses

So I read The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms by NK Jemisin recently and absolutely loved it. The world and history are so rich, the characters are round and complex, and the plot kept me on the edge of my seat. I'm passionate about diversity and representation, so I was also so appreciative of the racial diversity and cultural nuances in the book.

When I was telling my sister about it, she recommended A Court Of Thorns and Roses to me. I see some similar themes (royalty, sense of purpose, rags to riches, etc) but similarities stop there. The protagonist is not very compelling, in that she has very little about her that feels unique or intriguing. The other characters are fairly general, and at times their actions seem unaligned with their values. Overall the world, history, and people seem so bland in comparison. In addition to everyone being White.

I'm trying to be considerate of the fact that maybe some people prefer a more simplistic writing style. However I've nearly groaned multiple times in my reading of ACTR, that it's hard for me to imagine. Just wanted to share my thoughts, still reading so no spoilers please. Also very much looking forward to reading the other books in the series for The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms.


Anyone else joyfully falling down the Fourth Wing to A Court of Thorns and Roses pipeline?
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Anyone else joyfully falling down the Fourth Wing to A Court of Thorns and Roses pipeline?

I absolutely adored Fourth Wing and Iron Flame and got the biggest book hangover once I had finished both (shoutout to the Fantasy Fangirls podcast for helping with this lol it's like our own little book club) so my husband bought me ACOTAR for Christmas and I'm just so happy with reading all of these fun fantasy romance novels to pass the time and escape reality a little bit.

I've read lots of the "typical" fantasy series before - Harry Potter (basically my whole childhood,) LOTR, Hunger Games, Divergent, etc. but Fourth Wing was my first introduction to the Romantasy genre and I am newly obsessed!! I've seen lots of people who have previously read the SJM books who then read FW & IF but I'm wondering if anyone else is like me and is now fully ready to dive into the SJM universe and other similar reads because of the Empyrean series! 🥹


I made a drinking game for Sara J. Maas’ A Court of Thorns and Roses series (a rant)
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I made a drinking game for Sara J. Maas’ A Court of Thorns and Roses series (a rant)
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Take a drink every time:

  • a character’s throat bobs

  • the word “male” appears

  • a villain explains their entire evil plan to the protagonist for no justifiable reason

  • you physically cringe during a sex scene

  • two consecutive paragraphs start with “indeed”

  • a character blasts their way out of a perilous situation with a convenient but totally improbable burst of hitherto unknown power

  • a fragrance is described by more than 3 words

Caution: unless you have a heroic tolerance for alcohol, you’ll be dead by the end of the first chapter.

This was my first time reading Sara J Maas. I had my doubts from the first book but I kept going as it does have a tendency to hook you. I made it halfway through A Court of Wings and Ruin (book 3) before I decided to stop torturing myself. I honestly think the editors (and possibly SJM herself) gave up too.

This series is self-insert junk food fantasy. I felt like Feyre had some Mary Sue (do people still use that term?) tendencies from book one, chapter one, when she takes down a Fae wolf with a single arrow and somehow packs out its pelt and an entire deer in the dead of winter, but her struggles under the mountain had me rooting for her. Gradually, she and all of her posse just gets so overpowered that you know there is nothing they can realistically struggle with. It’s boring.

The characters are one-dimensional with flimsy backstories. There could be some poignant parallels made to the brutal practices of real cultures, but their past experiences just end up reading like torture porn. Most of them don’t struggle with their traumas in any kind of realistic way.

The dialogue is cringey and unrealistic. Feyre’s family is absolutely toxic and the surrounding characters just sort of chuckle and roll their eyes when Nesta says something horrific (Oh that Nesta!). I can’t think of any reason why Cassian would be attracted to her other than critically low self esteem. Tamlin becomes a caricature of an abusive ex.

I initially liked Rhysand as the bad guy with a heart of gold, but his character development consists of him slowly turning into a cardboard cutout of an ideal partner. Or hurtling solo into peril for no apparent reason (Insert Vin Diesel saying something about FAMILY).

And don’t get me started on the female protagonists. It’s honestly hard for me to believe that this series was written by an adult woman. Feyre’s breasts literally swell when she’s aroused. I felt like I was reading Stephen King. Some of the sex scenes made me physically shudder. It’s like they were written by a virgin who has no understanding of human anatomy or intimacy.

The writing style constantly took me out of the story. SJM overuses words so much (indeed). She’s overly sentimental and she blatantly plagiarizes lines from famous novels and slightly rewords them.

It was more forgivable when the story was developing, but by book 3, it’s just pages and pages of preparing for battle with Hybern, a cartoonishly evil nemesis with feeble motivations. And I was honestly rooting for him by the time I quit reading.

I’m glad that people can look past the flaws and enjoy this series for what it is, but I don’t see myself reading any more of SJM’s books.

I’m sure I’m late to the game on this series, but I needed to vent. I would love to hear your take on it or more rules for the drinking game. Maybe it will help me finish it. Or die of alcohol poisoning trying.

UPDATE - Additional rules submitted by others in this thread:

  • every time someone "purrs" or "growls."

  • whenever there is toe curling

  • any time she says “alpha” or “smirks”

  • whenever she alludes to the size of the love interest's member

  • she calls the love interest a "prick"

  • someone makes a "vulgar" gesture

  • someone's bowels turn to water

  • "my mate"

  • someone's bones make any kind of canine noise (barking, growling)

  • an ellipsis or emdash

  • a character is described as "predatory"

  • a character removes a an invisible piece of lint from their clothes

  • "she could have sworn..."

We're all going to die of liver failure. Cheers to all of you males and females (and everyone in between). May The Cauldron bless you. And thanks for the gold!


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Is A Court of Thorns and Roses worth the hype?
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Is A Court of Thorns and Roses worth the hype?

I have started the first book in the series but i just find it boring and extremely difficult to read. I am like 15 chapters in but it's just not sticking to me. I have seen the hype around this and I chose to read it. But does it get better? Is it worth the hype? (also recommend me books.)


Is the second book of A Court of Thorns and Roses worth it?
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Is the second book of A Court of Thorns and Roses worth it?

I went into this book expecting spicy fantasy romance with some action. What I got, respectfully in my opinion, was a kind of teenage slight romance with a lot of drag. The end of the book was the most amount an action, which was still lacking. I'm not trying at all too put down the book! I just went in it with high expectations and found myself disappointed. I've heard from friends and TikTokers that the second one gets so much better. So I was looking for input!


Was anyone else massively disappointed with A Court of Thorns and Roses?
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Was anyone else massively disappointed with A Court of Thorns and Roses?
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It’s the last time I’m taking a book suggestion from TikTok. People made it seem like it was a beautifully written sexy masterpiece. It wasn’t nearly as smutty as TikTok made it seem and I found Sarah J Maas’s writing to be cliche and juvenile. Everyone says the first book was the least interesting and to keep reading the rest of the series, but my disappointment wasn’t about not keeping my interest.

SJM used the same descriptive metaphors and phrases over and over and over again it was so exhausting to read. By the end of it I was physically rolling my eyes each time I read “I could never paint it” or “cords of muscle” or “buttery yellow” or “jade colored eyes”. The “I could/would never paint it” was especially annoying. The whole painter/artist thing she had going for Feyre was so forced. It was obvious that SJM knows nothing about painting and just thinks it sounds romantic and cool. I’m a painter myself and it was just so cringy. Like come on, Feyre has a dying Faerie screaming in agony in front of her and she’s thinking about painting? It’s like if someone wrote a book about a football player with no knowledge about football. And when someone dies in front of the main character they start thinking about football. That’s how ridiculous it was to me. And come on, the answer to the riddle is LOVE? Jesus Christ.

I could keep going on about all the things that made ACOTAR so bad, but I’ll stop now before I write a whole book about it.

I don’t know why I finished this book.





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Hello! I just wanted to do a quick THANK YOU post to all you amazing human beings. I just finished ACOTAR and....wow. I was never one for fantasy novels (but 100% for romance novels) but this was amazing! I thoroughly enjoyed it and am looking forward to reading the next book in the series. I only knew about this series because of comments I had seen on here. I figured why not give it a chance, the worst that could happen is I don't like it. WRONG. The worst is that I am obsessed and may or may not have ignored my thesis and read the book in two days! Ah, well, things happen. Anyway, thank you all. You are truly some of the best humans out there. I love this subreddit!!!!

Edit: so sorry for the delayed replies, everyone! This week has been horribly hectic. I didn't even get to start ACOMAF :( THIS WEEKEND FOR SURE WOO!


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Almost done with A Court of Thorns and Roses and I kinda hate it (no spoilers)
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Almost done with A Court of Thorns and Roses and I kinda hate it (no spoilers)

I know a lot of people love this book so I’m not gonna be a jerk about it! This was my first experience reading a fantasy novel as an adult, and I thought that the first half of the book moved really slowly but that something would happen that would really draw me in. I have less than a quarter of the book left, and so far nothing has done it for me.

I also find Feyre to be a little bit corny at times which makes it difficult for me to enjoy, and some of the descriptions of the romance portions are and silly to me.

With that being said, can I please get some suggestions for shorter fantasy novels that are better for a newbie? Bonus points for queer romance. Thanks!


Just finished A Court of Thorns and Roses
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I just finished the first book today and I can’t stop smiling. This is my first fantasy book in years and it’s got me kicking my feet all giddy haha.

I don’t want any spoilers, I already have the rest of the books and I will be reading the second this weekend, but did anybody else already hate Tamlin after book one??? I love Rhys. I hope she chooses him and sees through Tamlin’s bullshit.

Sorry, had to rant for a minute hahaha.






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Good morning romance lovers,

I have been recommended this series by several people at my office (I am a solo corporate librarian so people stop me in the halls to talk about their personal reading all the time) and when I went to my local library to check on the wait time for a copy it was listed as a YA novel and in the teen section.

This surprised me because I have heard this series described as fairy porn on several occasions so I checked the state-wide catalog and found that it was in the teen section of most libraries. I’ve been all over the internet (Amazon, B&N, Wikipedia, the fandom wiki, Goodreads) trying figure out if this book is YA or not.

I honestly don’t think I will read this series because I’m not really interested in it (probably would be if it was m/m or f/f but shrug emoji) but this question is haunting me. Is it or isn’t it YA?

My question to you, Romance Subreddit, is what do you think? Is this series YA? If anyone has a copy, would you please check the front inside page, the one with the copyright information? If it’s YA it might be listed as such in the LoC Subjects or in the Description.





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