Post Match Thread: Arsenal F.C. v Liverpool F.C.

tne · 2013-01-30T21:39:40+00:00

not good enough. 2 points dropped

acidmath · 2013-01-30T21:39:50+00:00

I've lost all faith in our defense.

SaucyBasco · 2013-01-30T21:39:36+00:00

honestly, more than a striker or an attacking mid, we need to work on our defense. I thought Bould was brought in to fix that.

Also, what is going on with Sagna, so many missed passes and lapses going on there

AND JESUS CHRIST IS SANTOS BAD

bemusedcapybara · 2013-01-30T21:40:29+00:00

It's shameful that we haven't bought any new players this window. Our problems with squad depth are so obvious, I have no idea what Wenger is playing at.

holmis93 · 2013-01-30T21:40:02+00:00

Another stressful day in the life of an arsenal fan.

jason_red_ranger · 2013-01-30T21:40:55+00:00

bayern in 3 weeks

WeSavedLatin · 2013-01-30T21:41:36+00:00

Podolski once again was marvelous, I love that Giroud is getting better and better he's a different man than he was at the start of the season.

The defense... I know Santos is absolutely fucking useless so there's no point harping on about that. What the fuck was Mert doing? He had just as bad a game as Santos did. I think it's time Koscielny started getting starting time because Mert's been iffy for a bit now.

ilikelissie · 2013-01-30T22:23:21+00:00

Nobody ever says it, but Szczesny can be a bit shit at times.

kjartan87 · 2013-01-30T21:56:09+00:00

Wenger: Call Moyes tonight. Offer £15 million for Baines, CASH. Walcott can sprint up with the duffelbag.

2013-01-30T21:41:35+00:00

Its a shame we couldn't convert that last chance with Giroud ....

Rich0 · 2013-01-30T21:56:05+00:00

Just once, I would like to watch an Arsenal match without having several heart attacks before half-time.

Erdos_0 · 2013-01-30T21:41:29+00:00

And Sagna needs to take some lessons in crossing from Beckham.

badboigamer · 2013-01-30T21:43:11+00:00

When was the last time someone scored a good goal against us? It's always poor defending

ProneMasturbationMan · 2013-01-30T21:43:31+00:00

Very weird game. It could have been a lot worse, and a lot better.

bliz2128 · 2013-01-30T21:43:35+00:00

Sagna cannot cross anymore either. Every single one is blocked.

JBWill · 2013-01-30T21:46:33+00:00

1) Jack Wilshere was an absolute monster in midfield again. He had Gerrard in his pocket.

2) Walcott looked as dangerous down the right as he has in a long time

3) Our link up play in the box was better than it has been in ages (with the exception of 10 minutes against West Ham). It's a pity we couldn't convert more of them, but we did at least manage to get many of them on goal, which is a nice change. Giroud, Podolski, and Cazorla in particular did very well in this regard imo.

4) The fact that we only made a substitution when forced to speaks loudly as to the depth of our bench currently. If Gibbs' injury results in him missing time, our need for a signing is even more dire.

Purdy14 · 2013-01-30T21:40:21+00:00

Thought we could have won that easily. If only Giroud got the ball out of his feet. Even though we had a great come back, it still feels like a loss.

LukeSimms · 2013-01-30T21:44:22+00:00

Bring in Koscielny next game please Mr.Wenger Sir.

ShutupPussy · 2013-01-30T21:49:54+00:00

liked our fight. Especially Ramsey in the SECOND half. when he finally started to dribble up field and make forward passes. errors or not, he was playing positive football and i love to see that in him. I was crushed when Giroud couldn't put in Poldi sharp cross. Its a shame defensive lapses costed us 2 very needed points but our resolve was strong all game. I liked how we were most effective when keeping the ball in the middle, not passing from wing to wing.

Tuc_44 · 2013-01-30T21:39:41+00:00

Santos should never wear an Arsenal jersey again...

2013-01-30T21:41:43+00:00

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DreDayAFC · 2013-01-30T21:42:22+00:00

We should not sugarcoat the match, this was a disastrous result. We're hanging onto 4th by the thinest of threads.

oktez · 2013-01-30T21:43:12+00:00

We need defense. Really.

almeertm87 · 2013-01-30T22:15:10+00:00

‎Arsène Wenger: "It's a thigh strain and that rules Gibbs out for the next three weeks."

Let's hope TV plays as a LB with Per and Kos. It's not ideal but a lot better than having Santos there.

Tuc_44 · 2013-01-30T21:40:38+00:00

Also, I'd like to see Jenks playing instead of Sagna.

Erdos_0 · 2013-01-30T21:40:37+00:00

I've had enough of Santos, we need to get rid him!! Dude is fucking jogging out there and just giving the ball away!

braulio09 · 2013-01-30T21:42:57+00:00

WHERE ARE YOU STEVIE BOULD? :(

Our defense is porous, if it wasn't for two stupid mistakes we could have won that game, easily.

MadC4 · 2013-01-30T21:43:09+00:00

Giroud nearly won it in the last ten, and Santos so nearly lost it for us in the dying moments. I really want some decent cover for Gibbs, if he's out for any period of time it's gonna be a big loss and I don't think anyone on this subreddit will be happy with Santos as cover.

2013-01-30T21:43:25+00:00

This match just put me in bad spirits. Good comeback, and always fun to watch Jack Wilshire, but I dunno guys...

HarryBlessKnapp · 2013-01-30T21:44:10+00:00

I looked at our next 6 games and estimated 1 point here would still give us a good shot at 16 from our next 18 points and that would do us all sorts of favours. 14 from 18 would still have us in a good position going into the final stretch. But still. The manner of the 1st 60 mins was incredibly disappointing and we should have won this. I've got no idea why people keep talking about our attackers e.g. ramsey, giroud, walcott. Our defence is shocking. I think /r/gunners is finally starting to realise.

sportsboy85 · 2013-01-30T21:45:42+00:00

there's a reason i have my flair

2013-01-30T21:53:18+00:00

At least chelsea/spurs didnt win

Heroic_Lifesaver · 2013-01-30T21:57:23+00:00

Only consolation is that spurs,chelsea both drew. At least we're no further behind them than we were earlier tonight. I don't see Everton sticking out to threaten a Champions League place.

Still, it should have been so much better

Ygqk · 2013-01-30T22:07:29+00:00

The top top quality squad is clearly evident by the fact we seem to be running the only top players we have to the ground and risk injuring them.

Good job we've waited until we drop so many points in January to sign anyone just to save a bit a of money and gamble on losing the 4th spot.

To summarise, 2 dropped points and CL looks even less likely.

mritson · 2013-01-30T22:10:37+00:00

ramsey and wilshere looked great together again

LouboAsyky · 2013-01-30T22:32:55+00:00

Well that was fucking frustrating... A match full of pros and cons.

PROS:The front 6 were awesome. I thought Ramsey was fantastic and he would have been my shout for man of the match. Giroud scores again and the front 3 are looking more and more deadly as the season goes on. I'm not sure if anyone else was watching the sky punditry, but could you imagine what they would be saying if Stevie Gerard had put in the display Jack Wilshere did today? Such obvious bias there from an ex-liverpool player and an ex-spud.

CONS: We shot ourselves in the foot again. We probably gifted the opposition more chances tonight than all the teams we have played combined have gifted us all season. The back 5 let the team down. I dont know if Szczesny knew he was going to have a mare and that interview in the Guardian was pre-empting it but he looked Almunia bad tonight. That is now 5 point from 15 in January. That is relegation form in what should have been a massive month for us.

I still think we can get top four but we are making it hard for ourselves. It is only four points after all, but we blew a chance to reduce it to two tonight. What we have over Everton and Spurs is that we have done it for the last 16 years. That experience will stand to us when it comes to the crunch.

makesterriblejokes · 2013-01-31T01:10:07+00:00

Maybe it's just me, but I think Ox should have come off the bench towards the end. It was pretty obvious that their back line was exhausted, so it would have been pretty nice to have the fresh legs and blistering pace of OX on the pitch.

Herimi · 2013-01-30T21:40:10+00:00

Yeah, we are so not finishing 4th.

momster777 · 2013-01-30T21:41:02+00:00

Fuck Santos. I'm sorry, but I barely saw him running and that misplaced pass in the dying moments of the game. I nearly had a heart attack.

iPhoneOrAndroid · 2013-01-30T21:41:28+00:00

Dropped points again but it was an exhilarating watch so I'm pleased.

Brandaman · 2013-01-30T21:40:57+00:00

So proud we came back into the game but it's our shambolic defending that cost us again.

I hope Gibbs is alright because we will struggle at the back with Santos. Wenger must know how terrible he is! The end was nearly 3-2 because of him.

Vainglory · 2013-01-30T21:45:45+00:00

Holy shit, people are right on Santos for that game. He wasn't even that bad. He made 2 errors at the end, and could be argued that he should have done better with their second goal, but for his standards that's an alright game. I also saw him doing well going forward and making space with passing.

Ebouefan · 2013-01-30T21:41:19+00:00

It is a worse result than it feels. We really couldn't have afforded to drop points at home against these jokers.

2013-01-30T21:56:40+00:00

All hope is lost Europa league next year. We are not good enough.

Merteswagger · 2013-01-30T21:41:53+00:00

so much pressuring

AlmondFlash · 2013-01-30T21:42:18+00:00

Really not sure whether I should be happy or not?

mementor · 2013-01-30T21:44:08+00:00

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Randomforce123 · 2013-01-30T21:45:38+00:00

2 points dropped. Slightly disappointed.

DrDiablo361 · 2013-01-30T21:46:16+00:00

2 points dropped. Absolutely horrible defending by Sagna and Mertesacker for the first, and though overall he wasn't too bad, Santos was simply stripped by a faster, fitter player.

Props to our offence this game, all put in a shift. Our defense cost us the points.

Helperforthedisabled · 2013-01-30T21:46:47+00:00

If we are disregarding the loss of 2 points, then this was actually a pretty good result. We didn't lose, and it's very clear for Wenger, that we need reinforcements, if we want to be up there. Especially defensively.

Also, did we only use 1 sub?

TheBergkamp · 2013-01-30T21:46:52+00:00

Something has to be done about our first half performances... And both goals we gave a shitty Liverpool side were pathetic defending.

Neither of those is a new phenomenon though so what's the point?

2013-01-30T21:49:15+00:00

I take back every negative thing I've ever said about our attack. We need to have a defensive overhaul. Someone give Mertesacker a break. He looked so tried during the entire match.

2013-01-30T21:50:29+00:00

Should have won, some pretty terrible defending ensured we didn't.

We had the majority of the pressure and created some really good chances, Giroud should definitely have scored that final cross but in the end we can only blame our defenders, our central defenders. Stop acting like all of defensive issues start at Sagna, he actually had a pretty good game today too.

2013-01-30T21:51:58+00:00

Suddenly, it seems like we need a better LB.

memoryfailure · 2013-01-30T21:52:56+00:00

Bad miss by Giroud at the end there but he provided two other goals and looked strong so I don't blame him too much. Every one of our defenders save Gibbs made some sort of laughable mistake that cost us two goals and two extra points. And on the whole our offense needs to come out stronger but at least they eventually picked it up.

bemusedcapybara · 2013-01-30T21:52:59+00:00

At least Spurs and Chelsea also dropped points...

2013-01-30T21:55:21+00:00

We need LB so badly, but when you have 24 hours to buy, it's really easy to step on a mine.

HansSven · 2013-01-30T22:01:03+00:00

I love Jack, and Poldi has been working so hard lately. Santos is absolutely garbage, I don't know what we saw in him to begin with, he's not even good going forward like people say he is, he's slow, indecisive, rarely plays the right pass, can't tackle or mark, etc etc. Giroud could have done better, but the main issue tonight was the defense, as usual. Laughable really, Sagna was not good enough tonight, maybe playing Jenkinson more will motivate Sagna to fight for his spot. Arsene says we don't need players because we have 2 at each position....well, when one of the two is Andre Santos, that's just not good enough. Looks like we'll miss out on the Champions League if we keep on this way.

dzhup · 2013-01-30T22:06:41+00:00

The best thing about todays match was, We were playing another team on the downward spiral, so the commentators were not ONLY talking about how crappy Arsenal are.

a_stopped_clock · 2013-01-30T22:13:32+00:00

ramsey played well in arteta role. Walcott when he wants it is the player we all thought he could be- honestly I never believed in walcott but from today I do. We need to revamp the centre backs and everyone thinks sagna has lost it hes still the best back on our team and a fantastic attacking player as well.

LouboAsyky · 2013-01-30T22:13:44+00:00

Gibbs is out for 3 weeks. We play Bayern in 3 weeks... It will be a close shave..

MrAlmostWrong · 2013-01-30T22:32:43+00:00

We just don't have an attacker that scares people when he is running at them. Sure Theo if it is a counter attack, but look at how scared everyone looks when Suarez gets the ball. He is going to attack you. Wilshere is the closest, but he isn't going to skin anyone. There were a number of times Podolski was 1-on-1 on the wing and I was screaming for him to skin Wisdom, and he kept doing dinky little passes.

I'm not saying everybody should become dribbling machines, but too often there are players trying to find the perfect pass. Beat a guy then look for the pass.

2013-01-30T22:40:39+00:00

Even if it was a good comeback, the team shouldn't be in that position & it's happening fairly regularly.

The team got really tense towards the final 20 min, especially Giroud. Really hope for the team's sake they sort the problems out ASAP.

Trying to win a game with only 20 minutes left isn't doing the team any favor.

Gibbs' injury better not be long-term. Forget Villa, Arsene needs to flog Santos and buy a real left-back.

someoneLazy · 2013-01-30T22:40:45+00:00

BADLY need Arteta back helps so much defensively and were being punished for it in the last few games. Alternatively buy a defensive minded midfielder as we only have one FFS.

Rascolito · 2013-01-30T22:46:45+00:00

Santos was better than he was against Brighton, which don't say that much though. I wouldn't put any blame on him for the 2nd goal. The pass in the end, it looked like Vermaelen just switched off, however Santos shouldn't play a ball like that in the dying minutes of the game. That said our whole defense was shocking today. Once again we looked off in the beginning of the game and we got ourselves in a bad position.

It's getting painfully obvious that Gibbs can't be relied upon for a whole season. We need a new left back to cover for him, a good defender.

pandasonic · 2013-01-30T22:54:27+00:00

The worst thing about Arsenal's poor performances as of late is that even in the second half we can see the team can do sooooo much better, it just isn't doing so. If we were playing every half, every game, like we do the second half, we'd be title contenders.

HansSven · 2013-01-30T23:21:20+00:00

the most maddening part is that Chelsea and Tottenham dropped points, and we couldn't take the opportunity to climb the table

2013-01-31T00:49:19+00:00

Giroud should have had four goals today.

AhhBisto · 2013-01-30T22:09:43+00:00

Another frustrating game, we didn't bother to start playing again until the second half yet again and defensively we looked like amateurs. Tactically speaking there is something wrong with what we're doing, the personnel are not the problem.

Szczesny - 6/10 - Looked like a frightened rabbit in the opening 20 minutes but soon settled and made important saves too.

Sagna - 5/10 - Bad slip helped Liverpool with their first goal, didn't seem to have his mind on the task.

Vermaelen - 7/10 - Left Sturridge open which helped result in the opening goal. Not his fault, another error caused by zonal marking. Had he been tracking the player rather than the area, Sturridge wouldn't have had a sniff.

Mertesacker - 5/10 - Didn't like that he didn't try to intercept the ball for the first goal and stopped tracking Henderson for the second. Definitely a game to forget for the BFG.

Gibbs - N/A - Hard to comment as he didn't play much.

Santos - 2/10 - Played too high up the pitch all game and left Vermaelen to cover him at the back. Podolski did not need his help at all, he was well covered by Wilshere. Bizarre that this guy still plays for Arsenal.

Ramsey - 6/10 - Not his best game, but he was showing more promise in the second half IMO, he and Jack work very well together.

Wilshere - 8/10 - Worked his socks off and worked well with Podolski i thought, also tracked back far more than he should have but you can't fault him for that.

Cazorla - 6/10 - He had a few misplaced passes tonight and again i think he's a victim of poor tactics as he sits too far forward. He plays much better when he picks up the ball from deep and runs with it.

Podolski - 7/10 - Could've worked harder i feel but he was getting his passes right and doing well enough to get into space, linking up with Wilshere. Disappointed with his free kick tonight that hit the wall straight away, felt like a wasted chance.

Walcott - 7.5/10 - Had a silent first half but more than made up for it with a great second, forever running his socks off and helping create chances. Top quality finish too.

Giroud - 8/10 - My MOTM, only edging Jack. Done superb to set up Walcott's goal and done well to get his own too. Could have won it for us around the 86th but he was just unlucky. Really good to see him coming into his own now, i said before that he was doing everything right except for scoring and now he's scoring more consistently the goals will come far more often. In fact, if the combo of Theo, Podolski and Giroud doesn't break the 40 goal barrier this season i'd be very surprised.

Overall i think we were let down by some poor tactical decisions, the personnel on the pitch (apart from Santos) has plenty of quality but we need to play with more urgency in defence and not stand off players so much (watch Mertesacker for the second goal for what i mean by that).

I can see why Wenger isn't going crazy to bring in players right now, but i think the right player could really give the whole squad a lift. I would even give Beckham a short term deal tbh, him pinging in balls for Giroud would be something amazing.

TehRainbowKiwi · 2013-01-30T21:41:50+00:00

We're one of the most incosistent sides I've ever seen.

It's not just between matches. In different parts of the game it's hard to believe we're the same team. Also, we should've won this with that Giroud chance in the end. I adore Giroud but the was a must-score.

Brown_Gosling · 2013-01-30T21:40:32+00:00

We better be buying an LB!!

Like_Eli_I_Did_It · 2013-01-30T21:42:09+00:00

We're fortunate to even get a draw. We could have entered the half down 3-0. Santos? Not much to say, he almost lost us the game in the final minute.

el_fuego91 · 2013-01-30T21:45:57+00:00

man looking through this thread, it feels like we lost. Guys, we came back form 2-0 down to draw level. Was it a good result? No could have been better, but I'll take 1 point over none. Losing Gibbs was bad, but I honestly thought Santos didn't play THAT bad. Sure he was somewhat at fault for their second goal, but it was extremely lucky to begin with. We also have a pretty favorable weekend coming up against Stoke and our closest rivals on the table all have somewhat tough games.

2013-01-30T21:47:14+00:00

Well, almost!

Our defence is shocking. Santos is awful awful awful and Vermaelen seems to be on a steep decline. Also, taking 60 minutes to show up to the game is not good enough at all.

SixKazi · 2013-01-30T21:48:04+00:00

I'm happy with a draw. Not that its 1 point instead of 3, but that it was a damn good Liverpool side we played against. I don't care what anyone says, they step up for the big games, and their tactics were working against us.

We let in two sloppy goals, sure thats disappointing, but we came back from two-goals down. First-half syndrome, and sloppy defending aside, I think it's a decent result.

tildeloltilde · 2013-01-30T21:56:59+00:00

I hope no one sees this game as a "shock" or a "surprise."

The defense was once again in shambles. No communication. It seems when things get the tiniest bit tense, everyone runs around like chickens with their heads cut off. Vermaelen and Mert having shocking performaces, Chezzers was horrible in the first half, and I'm not even commenting on Santos. We all know about Andres...

Sagna's crosses are woeful. I mean seriously how can he not get ANY decent cross in. I don't understand. Someone of his caliber shouldn't be struggling with crosses...

Walcott SO selfish at times. I never noticed him being selfish but the last few games he's constantly either not seeing an open player in the middle, or believes in himself way too much. Did score a quality goal, though. It's tough to praise him for scoring a great goal, but also missing out on so much else.

I need to stop being so invested in these types games. I'm getting all worked up for nothing. Should've known it was going to be the classic Second half Arsenal we've seen for so long now.

4th_Chamber · 2013-01-30T22:27:54+00:00

How much is Luke Shaw worth? Santos nearly cost us the game in the last minute.

MrAlubeidi · 2013-01-30T21:40:32+00:00

FOR FUCK'S SAKE. WE ARE UNBELIEVABLY UNLUCKY.

Date	Result/Time	Opponent
Sep 24	2 - 2	(H)
Sep 27	0 - 1	(A)
Sep 30	0 - 4	(A)

Oct 3	20:00	(A)
Oct 8	16:30	(H)
Oct 21	17:30	(A)

Player			Total
Bukayo Saka	11	0	11
Martin Ødegaard	8	0	8
Leandro Trossard	8	0	8
Granit Xhaka	7	0	7
Gabriel Jesus	6	1	7

#	Player	Injury	Estimated Return
25	Mohamed Elneny	Knee	Unknown
12	Jürrien Timber	ACL	Unknown
5	Thomas Partey	Hamstring	6 weeks

#	Player	Injury	Estimated Return
6	Leah Williamson	ACL	9 months
9	Beth Mead	ACL	9 months
10	Kim Little	Hamstring	June
26	Laura Wienroither	ACL	9 months

#	Name	Club	Transfer Sum
29	Kai Havertz	Chelsea	£65m
12	Jurriën Timber	Ajax	£34m
41	Declan Rice	West Ham United	£105m
22	David Raya	Brentford	Loan

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Player					Total
Martin Ødegaard	15	0	0	0	15
Gabriel Martinelli	15	0	0	0	15
Bukayo Saka	13	1	0	0	14
Gabriel Jesus	10	0	0	0	10
Eddie Nketiah	4	2	2	1	9

#	Name	Club
28	Amanda Ilestedt	Paris Saint-Germain Féminine
24	Cloé Lacasse	SL Benfica
23	Alessia Russo	Manchester United
27	Laia Codina	FC Barcelona
32	Kyra Cooney-Cross	Hammarby IF

#	Name	Club	Transfer Sum
15	Ainsley Maitland-Niles	Lyon	Free
22	Pablo Marí	A.C. Monza	£6.5m
72	Matthew Smith	Wigan Athletic	Released
62	Nikolaj Möller	FC St. Gallen	£257,000
43	Cătălin Cîrjan	Rapid Bucharest	Loan
65	Mazeed Ogungbo	Barrow AFC	£150,000
88	Kaleel Green	Colchester United	Free
34	Granit Xhaka	Bayer Leverkusen	£21.5m
40	Mauro Bandeira	Colchester United	Loan
73	Tom Smith	Colchester United	Free
44	Ben Cottrell	NS Mura	Undisclosed
32	Auston Trusty	Sheffield United	£5m
64	Mika Biereth	Motherwell	Loan
30	Matt Turner	Nottingham Forest	£10m
67	Charlie Patino	Swansea City	Loan
62	Brooke Norton-Cuffy	Milwall	Loan
27	Marquinhos	Nantes	Loan
13	Rúnar Alex Rúnarsson	Cardiff City	Loan
57	Tyreece John-Jules	Derby County	Loan
3	Kieran Tierney	Real Sociedad	Loan
26	Folarian Balogun	AS Monaco	£34m
65	Salah-Eddine Oulad M'Hand	Den Bosch	Loan
42	Nathan Butler-Oyedeji	Cheltnham Town	Loan
58	Henry Jeffcott	Derby County	Loan
69	Omar Rekik	Wigan Athletic	Loan
20	Nuno Tavares	Nottingham Forest	Loan
33	Arthur Okonkwo	Wrexham AFC	Loan
90	Brian Okonkwo	Leatherhead	Loan
16	Rob Holding	Crystal Palace	£4m
23	Albert Sambi Lokonga	Luton Town	Loan
—	Nicolas Pépé	Trabzonspor	Free

#	Name	Club
2	Rafaelle Souza	Orlando Pride
24	Fran Stenson	N/A
56	Freya Godfrey	Charlton Athletic (Loan)
23	Mana Iwabuchi	Retired
18	Kaylan Marckese	Bristol City (Loan)
4	Anna Patten	Aston Villa

#	GD	Points
1	18	18
3	17	17
4	16	16
5	15	15
6	15	15

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