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[–][deleted] 2255 points2256 points  (287 children)

I still see their baby powder on the shelves. Did the tainted versions get pulled?

[–]onetimeonreddit 1039 points1040 points  (173 children)

I'm confused by this as well.

[–]Imcrafty213 900 points901 points  (171 children)

It now uses corn starch. At least the lavender scented one does.

[–]sydofbee 511 points512 points  (152 children)

The German version of Johnson & Johnson (Penaten) still lists the ingredients for their classic baby powder as "talc, perfume". Guess what I have at home and guess what I'm going to throw out today after work.

e: I don't have a baby thankfully but I use babypowder for shaving (helps prevent razor rash).

[–]PaterPoempel 400 points401 points  (141 children)

Don't.

The talc used here doesn't contain asbestos and hasn't for decades.

[–]manskou 67 points68 points  (12 children)

source on that?

[–]ohdearsweetlord 292 points293 points  (99 children)

Someone in a thread above explained that all talc contains at least some asbestos, as the mineral can take an asbestos shape. Different grades contain different proportions of asbestosform talc.

[–]trebleisin 178 points179 points  (94 children)

Incorrect. I looked it up back when this whole thing started. There are versions of talc that do not contain asbestos.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/talcum-powder-and-cancer.html

Key word, some. Not all, not even most from what I've found.

[–]Deauo 164 points165 points  (67 children)

Can someone just tell me what's safe to rub on my nutsack already?

[–]kingmanic 125 points126 points  (16 children)

Icy hot

[–]BeneficialStorage 58 points59 points  (11 children)

Every guy does this exactly 1 time.

[–]science_cupcake 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Silky underwear powder made by LUSH

It has a cornstarch base and is Jasmine scented.

[–]tree5eat 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Cornstarch is great for the undercarriage.

[–]SGexpat 181 points182 points  (10 children)

“Talc that has asbestos is generally accepted as being able to cause cancer if it is inhaled. The evidence about asbestos-free talc is less clear.”

[–]I-Think-Im-A-Fish 116 points117 points  (8 children)

The article goes on to say that some studies have shown a modest increase in perineal (genital) cancers. Kind of a weird article to hold up as proof of talc being totally safe.

[–][deleted] 100 points101 points  (2 children)

"I don't want to use this baby powder anymore because it might not be the safe kind"

"Hang on a second! Don't throw it out! It is the safe kind, it's just that the safe kind might not be safe"

[–]SGexpat 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Yeah. I did find it informative and wouldn’t have thought to check the ACA so I’m happy he linked it.

[–]BrkIt 96 points97 points  (4 children)

Link and comment from above if you'd like to read it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/b0tvn1/california_jury_orders_johnson_johnson_to_pay_29/eihkd1m/

Asbestos and a just a general term for the form certain minerals can take. Legally, Talc is not considered asbestos, but geologically it is considered to have an asbestoform. Basically, depending on how it forms talc can BE asbestos.

Normally they use what’s called “treasure talc” which forms plates and slides along, which is better for personal use. Industrial use used to use the more gritty talc which had a higher asbestos content. Note: ALL TALC contains traces of asbestoform minerals.

Source: sat on a very informative (but very long) civil trial about talc and was actually interested in the material.

Edit: The trial was actually against a mining company for selling industrial talc they knew to cause cancer due to asbestoform talc. They argued that it wasn’t legally asbestos, the geologists and medical professionals argued that human body doesn’t care about legal definitions.

[–]Dilettante 18 points19 points  (2 children)

That actually sounds like an interesting trial. Who won? What was the judgement?

[–]BrkIt 6 points7 points  (1 child)

You should reply to the comment that I linked.

I'm just passing on the message.

[–]ssl-3 26 points27 points  (6 children)

Corn starch is an awesome food source for all kinds of horrible stuff that can grow on people.

[–]Blunt_Scissors 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Cornstach, water and a warm, dark place can mean a lot of mould and bacterial problems.

[–]Johnny_Poppyseed 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Like what? Am I endangering my nads here?

[–]poopitydoopityboop 10 points11 points  (0 children)

You're basically rubbing sugar on your nuts. Any bacteria or moulds that can break down starch are gonna have a field day if you get sweaty down there.

You know in movies when someone is crawling through a desert, and they see an oasis? That's like fungi and bacteria looking at your nuts.

[–]ssl-3 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Corn starch is a lovely food for jock itch.

(Yes, Gold Bond is a lie.)

[–]DontFlex 18 points19 points  (1 child)

$29 million is literally a rounding error for this size of company.

Don't get me wrong, I am happy they were penalized for something so poorly managed, but $29 mil for a $360+ billion dollar company... come on now.

[–]KaidenUmara 180 points181 points  (17 children)

You looking for the real stuff? If so meet me in the dark alley behind denny's tomorrow night at 1 am. 20 bucks a bottle.

[–]PoorLittleLamb 305 points306 points  (6 children)

My testes need asbestes

[–]eist5579 47 points48 points  (5 children)

I scrolled a mile deep just for this comment

[–]KennywoodsOpen 35 points36 points  (2 children)

Same. I’m am now “satisfied” with this thread... time to go back and select another interesting posts comment section.

[–]oooortclouuud 8 points9 points  (1 child)

or just call it a night.

haaaah.

[–]NSAwithBenefits 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's still early though

[–]Quadrupleawesomeness 10 points11 points  (4 children)

20 bucks for a bottle of cancer? What a steal!

[–]road-rash3000 20 points21 points  (3 children)

Why not? People buy cigarettes

[–]thebreanna 83 points84 points  (35 children)

Jury decided, not scientists...so maybe it’s not entirely true but the attorneys are good at persuading?

[–]Defoler 32 points33 points  (30 children)

That is the case many times when things go to court.
Each side shows their own scientists and their evidence or studies, and the one most influencing the juries, is the one that wins. Not every time the real unbiased fact science wins.

[–]clocks212 7 points8 points  (1 child)

You pick 12 random adults and a third of them won’t know the earth goes around the sun. I’d hate to be a defendant in a trial that required any level of intelligence.

[–]Aceofspades25 86 points87 points  (15 children)

Juries get to decide who gets awarded money but the science is decided in the peer reviewed literature.

There are a lot of people freaking out in this thread but there is little to no evidence that talc causes cancer.

There is nothing special about J&Js talc which makes it contain more asbestos than other varieties since it is tested for asbestos by the FDA and had been found to be safe.

This case was decided by a scientifically illiterate jury on the basis of a warning label that was added to the MSDS of one of its suppliers in 2006 but that supplier (Imerys) was likely just covering it's arse because you can find a few papers claiming to link talc to cancer but you can find many more papers claiming to find no link or claiming to find a negative association.

[–]LordTwinkie 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's like that Monsanto Round Up janitor cancer case. The science is in and has been, round up does not cause cancer. Jury decided to award the guy millions anyways.

[–]HallahFin 835 points836 points  (46 children)

When big companies like this have to “pay” these large sum of monies, where does the money actually go? What is it used for?

Edit: okay I get it, it’s not technically a large sum of money for a company of this size.

[–]Scizmz 555 points556 points  (22 children)

Typically 1/3rd goes to the lawyers. From there, it depends on where you live. Most of these cases it goes to the estate (living family members) of the people that have died from this.

[–]c_c_c__combobreaker 124 points125 points  (18 children)

It’s usually more than 1/3 if it reaches trial. It’s usually 1/3 if the case settles before a lawsuit is filed and gets higher the farther along the case gets.

[–]soeasytohate 28 points29 points  (0 children)

asking the real questions. Just like when agencies get fined.

[–]Ladylegs 4262 points4263 points  (353 children)

They had the chance, many many years ago, to switch to corn starch, but chose not not. Said the fragrance didn't match their signature smell.

They chose poorly.

[–]99thpercentile 1533 points1534 points  (75 children)

That's the fucking excuse?

[–]CeeCeeBABCOCK 739 points740 points  (31 children)

That was the excuse they gave us, but I'm guessing cost was the real excuse.

[–]Armagetiton 813 points814 points  (29 children)

Corn starch is cheap as dirt thanks to corn subsidies. The real reason is because they were afraid people would see the change as it becoming an inferior product and stop buying it.

Edit: a quick google check shows that corn starch is less than half the cost of talc by weight. That goes to show how powerful product familiararity is

On a side note, you can buy 50lbs of corn starch for 20 dollars. Miracle Grow is more expensive than that. Literally cheaper than dirt.

[–]djdawg89 83 points84 points  (7 children)

The real question in my mind is; what was the cost difference between the two when the decision was made. I really wonder also what the science was telling these Execs back then.

[–]Armagetiton 94 points95 points  (3 children)

It's easy to pull or change a product when it has an immediately observable danger to it. But in cases like this it takes years of exposure and it's very difficult to prove there is a connection.

When it's difficult to prove and not immediately observable, the execs may choose to believe the science is inconclusive and nothing will ever come of it. Makes it much easier to dismiss.

[–]djdawg89 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Even if they knew something may come of it the cost-benefit analysis was obviously in their favor. Just like the Execs trying to figure out how to better sell cigs after the surgeon generals warning. Im sure someone down the line was telling them it was bad but like other commenters have said they had to maintain a certain smell and consistency. When science is new its just so much easier to ignore and like you said wait for an observable outcome, its better for the short term which investors will always, always love.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

This here is the point. What were the medical conclusions of that time. Based on evidence it seems that there is not a connection between the talk and cancer. At that small amount. However , people get sick. Is it in the normal incidence ? Is it some coincidence? Or is it related to the powder? It’s hard to decise when the evidence is inconclusive. And it is inconclusive. The medical community says that it’s not related.

[–]thagthebarbarian 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Except you shouldn't use food starch to powder sweaty regions because it provides nourishment to the bacteria that cause the stink you're trying to avoid. Talc is a far superior functionally than corn or potato starch

[–]AbnerDoubledank 6 points7 points  (2 children)

The sad part is they could be killing the market on “All-natural product - made with American corn starch” and key in on the increase of the health minded society

[–]radiantcabbage 125 points126 points  (35 children)

brand recognition is a helluva drug. though at this point you got to wonder how much it's really worth, if they keep hemorrhaging cash on these lawsuits

[–][deleted] 149 points150 points  (9 children)

The new brand recognition is that Johnson and Johnson products gives your baby cancer.

[–]alltheacro 66 points67 points  (8 children)

They've been spending a shitload of money on Facebook ads touting how their talc is "medical grade". It's hilarious how desperate they are.

[–]Lyoss 30 points31 points  (0 children)

I literally get an ad every other day about this, I've never even googled or put an online presence that i care about it even so it's not a targeted ad

[–]YoureNotOP 12 points13 points  (1 child)

i saw a Facebook ad that literally said they definitely never tested positive for asbestos. Everyone laugh reacted to it. like holy crap 😂

[–]altxatu 15 points16 points  (4 children)

A medical grade carcinogen maybe.

[–]dispirited-centrist 85 points86 points  (16 children)

J&J had $1.3B in net income in 2017.

$29M is nothing to them. Thered have to be hundrends of these rules before it affects them

[–]radiantcabbage 52 points53 points  (10 children)

just one among many class action suits, they are going on $5b in payouts so far, see details below.

not saying even this is really gonna hurt, we are talking a huge conglomerate with like a $370b market cap. but for that kind of money on just one product, I imagine they already could have bought out the nearest competitor and used their scent, with change to spare

[–]dispirited-centrist 12 points13 points  (0 children)

While i am happy to see such a relatively large number already (and the fact there are 1000s of suits apparently), i always remember the scene from Fight Club: if cost of litigation is less than costs of recall and fixing, dont fix it. I hope this stays as a large number of cases instead of 1 large class action so that it keeps popping up from time to time

[–]Ovedya2011 479 points480 points  (160 children)

So....the fragrance supposedly contains asbestos? How the hell would that have worked?

[–]Tumble_weave 29 points30 points  (13 children)

Asbestos smells delicious.

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (10 children)

As someone who did removal for a few summers I can always tell if a old house has asbestos by the smell.

[–]Ninja_rooster 23 points24 points  (4 children)

What’s it smell like? I’ve probably been in enough old buildings, houses, etc, I just don’t know what I’m smelling.

[–]Baconbaconbaconbits 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Also curious.

[–]TheBlinja 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Apparently Johnson's baby powder?

[–]NSAwithBenefits 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Smells like asbestos

[–]Downvote_me_dumbass 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I usually chew on my brake pads and I can tell you...yum, yum, yum.

[–]ImVeryBadWithNames 8 points9 points  (11 children)

The problem is Talc is a mineral and forms in very similar conditions as asbestos... so they are often found together.

[–]poporook 21 points22 points  (3 children)

Asbestos has a different smell than corn starch. Switching from asbestos to corn starch would alter the fragrance of their product and they didn't want to do that.

[–]TheGoigenator 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Switching from asbestos to corn starch

You mean switching from talc to corn starch right?

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (9 children)

So if you’ve been using this powder for years, and got cancer do you get anything? 29$ M is really nothing.

[–]AmbroseMalachai 17 points18 points  (0 children)

This $29M is just for one woman. There are thousands of lawsuits outstanding with several others that have been settled or had judgments against J&J. Since these aren't class action, each person who might've been affected will have to take their own action, but that is probably better since class action suits often pay far less than individual settlements might.

All that said, the company will still be appealing this verdict and it might get reversed since regulatory bodies have said their talc powder is safe and these jury verdicts are somewhat frequently overturned.

[–]18114 23 points24 points  (6 children)

I would settle for even 1 M. 1 M is much money when you are on disability due to lousy health. Ovarian cancer is a silent killer. Stage three here and it was accidentally found though I at one time had stage one.So hard to diagnose. This time my oncologist did not think I had the cancer again. After needle biopsy he said same cancer as before stage three. He is a great MD I put all my trust in him. Just love the guy.

[–]berthejew 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I have no idea how to even get my records from my old doctor, but i wish i could get in on this seriously. It's just so overwhelming. I used it for years and i'm recently found to be stage one. I'm terrified.

[–]StrandedLAX 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Not sure about your exact situation but stage 1 is usually very treatable! Stay strong

[–]Jormungandrrrrrr 4 points5 points  (3 children)

How do you detect ovarian cancer? I get my pap smear every two years, but I think that's for cancer in the uterus, so I have no idea.

I wish you all the best. I'm glad you've got a good doctor. Stay strong!

[–]themvf 195 points196 points  (56 children)

Chose poorly? $29 million is nothing. It was a business decision.

[–]MourinhosEgo 63 points64 points  (20 children)

How is this upvoted? There have been billions of dollars of judgements against J&J for this exact reason over the past couple of year and the number is only going to get bigger.

[–]tealparadise 248 points249 points  (60 children)

Can I get some context on this? The article just says it contains asbestos. But the comments are all about putting actual talc on, as if THAT causes cancer.

Can I use talc or no?

[–]St3phiroth 289 points290 points  (14 children)

Some talc mines are naturally contaminated with asbestos. The baby powder mentioned in the article was tested and found to be contaminated with asbestos at one point. It's hard to know how much contamination there actually has been over the years. Also, there's still some doubt out there and studies being done as to whether pure talc can cause cancer, but the asbestos-contaminated kind definitely can.

https://www.asbestos.com/products/talcum-powder/

[–]ImVeryBadWithNames 110 points111 points  (0 children)

All Talc mines have asbestos. It's just a matter of how much. The reason is because asbestos is really just a specific mineral formation, and will occur under the conditions that create talc.

[–]Aceofspades25 59 points60 points  (4 children)

Those tests happened back in the 70s and were found to have methodological flaws.

The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) conducted a study from 2009 to 2010 that checked 34 different talc cosmetic products, including baby powders, and found no asbestos fibers. Another study of earlier powders in the 1960s and 70s also found no evidence of asbestos.

This is the type of evidence presented at this trial:

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/39711/was-it-only-johnson-johnson-which-hid-the-link-between-its-talcum-powder-and-c

This is all about J&J being aware of some studies that show a link between talc use and cancer but the mere existence of these studies doesn't tell you much when the vast majority of studies find no link or even a negative association.

[–]ChornWork2 83 points84 points  (16 children)

its safe. talc and asbestos can appear together, what they have used for talc for a long time does not.

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/talcum-powder-and-cancer.html

[–]Aceofspades25 30 points31 points  (10 children)

lol... probably the only skeptical comment in this entire thread. Well done.

[–]XDreadedmikeX 19 points20 points  (9 children)

He brought a source too

[–]jonnyutah1 528 points529 points  (51 children)

That's it? Anyone born before 1970 put that shit on their soft parts

[–]SCWarriors44 209 points210 points  (18 children)

No one else after 1970 puts it on their privates? Isn’t that where you’re suppose to put it?

[–]nikifromthe10thstep 142 points143 points  (16 children)

No! You're supposed to put it in your hair to absorb the oil in between washes

[–]_steve_rogers_ 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I use arrowroot powder, works so much better and no cancer

[–]Tryin2cumDenver 71 points72 points  (13 children)

No... You're just supposed to wash your hair, you Wook.

[–][deleted] 62 points63 points  (1 child)

Shit. Anyone before 1995...

[–]SharpyTarpy 58 points59 points  (3 children)

Before 1970?

[–]SternumofDoom 91 points92 points  (2 children)

I know right? No one was born before 1970. Everyone knows this. We got a phony here.

[–]Zeth_Aran 65 points66 points  (11 children)

That makes no sense, I'm pretty fucking positive people are still using this harmful substance.

[–]_Z_E_R_O 64 points65 points  (10 children)

It no longer contains talc. Almost all commercially available baby powder nowadays is cornstarch-based.

[–]OriginalOutlaw 27 points28 points  (2 children)

I'm looking at my bottle of baby powder right now and it says "Ingredients: Talc, fragrance".

I bought it a couple weeks ago.

[–]fitch_bace 34 points35 points  (0 children)

The complete removal of talc is a recent change though, right? I could be misremembering, but I'm fairly certain I've bought talcum powder sometime within the last few years (I started using cornstarch after I started seeing these news stories).

[–]killarufus 10 points11 points  (5 children)

Maybe in America, but not Asia.

[–]Jiecut 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Judgement was for just one woman, other people have been suing too.

[–]informat2 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It's actually in the billions so far. The one post is just a new lawsuit.

[–][deleted] 75 points76 points  (11 children)

" J&J denies allegations that its talc causes cancer, saying numerous studies and tests by regulators worldwide have shown that its talc is safe and asbestos-free. "

" The New Jersey-based company is likely to appeal the verdict, which was made in California Superior Court in Oakland."

Seems unlikely they will just let this go, or it will open the flood gates to further cases against them.

[–]ImVeryBadWithNames 19 points20 points  (4 children)

Said flood has already been happening. This is just the latest case.

[–]Youknowh0 366 points367 points  (15 children)

Like 29 million dollars is going to do anything for a company with a net worth of $360 billion

[–]MichaelApproved 103 points104 points  (5 children)

This is just one case. There are many more on the way.

[–]2mice 37 points38 points  (2 children)

Not so much about money...yet. Its the brand that might be in some real trouble.

[–]MeineGoethe 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Its just 29 million for one person. But they lost 2 other cases which had damages in the billions.

[–]pet_the_puppy 47 points48 points  (4 children)

They make that in like a day

[–]rockinghigh 108 points109 points  (3 children)

They actually make $41M a day: $15.2B in net income for 2018.

[–]su5 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Jesus I had to double check, that is in fact income. Revenue is so high it hurts my head.

[–]JoseJimeniz 59 points60 points  (22 children)

It's frustrating that people substitute civil trials for science. Because the fact is there is no scientific evidence that J&J baby powder causes cancer.

A civil trial does not have the burden of proof that science does.

"By no means should anybody take that to mean that it's now been demonstrated that those things cause cancer. That's not what a court is designed to do,"

In civil litigation, jurors are told to weigh the evidence differently than a scientist would. They don't even have to decide "beyond a reasonable doubt" as they would have to do in a criminal case.

Having the jury decide science is like having Jenny McCarthy decide science:

Did the exposure cause the plaintiff's cancer?  "I'm not sure, but I think so" is the answer one of the groundskeeper's lawyers, Brent Wisner, toldjurors they needed to reach in the glyphosate case. "That's really the standard here," he told them.

If you believe that Johnson&Johnson baby powder causes cancer you are the equivalent of an anti-vaxxer:

  • Did the vaccine cause the plaintiffs autism?
  • I'm not sure, but I think so.

Don't confuse the results of a trial with science.

  • Science has a high bar to meet
  • believing Johnson's & Johnson's baby powder is causes cancer is simply wrong

But back to the facts. All talcum powder contains trace amounts of asbestos. In the same way the air you're breathing contains trace amounts of plutonium. And the water you're drinking contains trace amounts of uranium.

The question isn't whether it contains asbestos. The question is whether it contains an amount of asbestos that is dangerous.

I'm not sure. But I think so?

No. Absolutely not.

I was trying to explain this a few months ago when the trial verdict came in. And there was a redditor who had zero tolerance for asbestos. He couldn't understand the concept of Trace amounts. Meanwhile they're perfectly happy to eat of radioactive banana.

[–]thatonedudericky 54 points55 points  (14 children)

I can't believe I've been putting this up my ass for years

[–]What_is_it___DRAGONS 14 points15 points  (7 children)

I think about all the times I put it in my underwear before long double shifts at the hospital. It makes me sick thinking about it.

[–]thatonedudericky 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Imagine trying to treat chafing and rashes unknowingly raising your chances of getting cancer.

[–]thatonedudericky 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I can't believe this honestly

[–][deleted] 131 points132 points  (7 children)

That's like me getting a 5 cent ticket for going 200 over the speed limit.

[–]Psistriker94 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Yea but you're a non-millionaire+ civilian. So no go.

[–]PM-Me-And-Ill-Sing4U 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Yeah, but this is one of thousands of cases J&J is having to settle.

So it's more like the equivalent of thousands of potential 5 cent tickets.

[–]VeganAncap 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not really. Perhaps more like potentially - but not to a scientifically valid standard - going 200 over the speed limit. In fact, how fast you're going over the limit is decided by non-experts in a state known for siding against people driving over the speed limit, even if they're not actually going over the speed limit.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (10 children)

So should I stop putting this shit on my balls in the summer?

[–]Poldini55 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Jury has ordered J&J to pay the lady. But there is no proof that the product and not a third party has introduced the asbestos, claims J&J.

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (3 children)

Asbestos? I'm baking muffins asbestos I can!

[–]blindadvisor0101 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I just rewatched that video the other day. Still hilarious.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (2 children)

The $29 million was ordered to carry the warning “money has been know to cause cancer in the state of California.”

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Maybe this is a stupid question, but why doesnt talc in things like face powder have the same cancer causing issues that baby powder does?

[–]sjohnston714 11 points12 points  (1 child)

It does. This is the mainstream target.

[–]MaggieMay1519 8 points9 points  (11 children)

As an esthetician I’ve used talc based baby powder (tried to switch to cornstarch and had a few people that were allergic so I switched back) on my clients as part of waxing prep for the last 16 years. Not usually the J&J brand but still, I’ve breathed in a lot of damn baby powder. Have any other companies been tested? Or is it a safe bet that Johnson & Johnson is the parent company of many of the baby powder manufacturers? Should I just go ahead and assume that I’ve probably been exposed to asbestos at some point?

[–]Matrix17 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If you've been alive at all in the past 5 or 6 decades you've probably been exposed to small amounts in one way or another anyways. Old buildings were filled with it and I wouldn't trust how secure it was..

[–]jonker5101 38 points39 points  (3 children)

Oh darn one day of profits lost.

[–]ducknapkins 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Not even. They make 41 million a day

[–]dnpinthepp 4 points5 points  (1 child)

In profit or revenue?

[–]chickenandliver 4 points5 points  (0 children)

How about Gold Bond? I haven't seen any news but don't their extra strength powders still use talc?

[–]crystalar99 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Most of y'all haven't even read the article.

[–]tmp803 10 points11 points  (4 children)

I swear I just saw an ad from them that ‘our talc is safe’

[–]TheTrueR1PP3R 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Nothing goes together like California and Cancer claims...