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USAThere will be enough Covid vaccines for the ‘entire U.S. adult population by June,’ Johnson & Johnson board member says (cnbc.com)

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[–]believeRN 3870 points3871 points  (344 children)

But will state local governments have their shit together to actually get the vaccines into people's arms? 🧐

[–]whichwitch9 1344 points1345 points  (204 children)

It's possible we can see federally run vaccination centers in the next few weeks. The catch is, though, they need governor permission to run in the states.

[–]jespicy 96 points97 points  (12 children)

I got mine from the Army in california. Let the public workers do it!

[–]jules083 104 points105 points  (10 children)

I was in the Army from 2002-2007. I’ve said since covid got big that the army should handle vaccinations. If anyone is qualified to do it quickly they are.

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      [–]aznoone 209 points210 points  (16 children)

      They still need the supply currently most places. They are booked here as not enough supply.

      [–]whichwitch9 189 points190 points  (10 children)

      States are currently handling the allocations to individual centers. My guess is the federal government would handle allocations and shipments to federal centers.

      Don't forget, a big issue is that Biden wasn't given numbers before the inauguration and is still playing catch up on what's being and what has been shipped. That will also make this process continue to be slow until they can actually figure out what is going on. The only other option would be to halt it and start over from scratch, which also is really not a good idea.

      [–]2_feetsI'm fully vaccinated! 💉💪🩹 86 points87 points  (6 children)

      Exactly. The fact that states were left to create their own plans is now the biggest logistical problem here. Because the federal government wants to jump in and start vaccinating with all their power, but they also don't want to stop/slow the existing and expected flow of vaccines to states. It's a major rock-and-hard-place scenario, and it makes me glad that I'm not the one having to solve it.

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          [–]LilyLute 13 points14 points  (7 children)

          Feelin' good in MN.

          [–]flipitsmike 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          cries in cuomo

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            [–]dutchyardeen 168 points169 points  (17 children)

            The good news is CVS will finish their vaccination program at nursing homes in February. They'll be distributing vaccines after that. Walmart and Walgreens are about to start any day now. (My local Walgreens says as early as next week.) Other pharmacy chains will be involved too. And with the J&J vaccine, regular doctor's offices can store and administer those shots because there's no special storage requirement.

            [–]shallahI'm vaccinated! (First shot) 💉💪🩹 33 points34 points  (9 children)

            There are lots of chains across the US that signed up to do it but might need more staff as states are having trouble getting enough qualified people now. some states are even training fire fighters as well as giving [permission to everyone medical from dr & nursing students to eye doctors to veternairans to give vaccines. also asking retired people to volunteer. I saw a news segment with an icu Dr who did it on her days off without pay so she wouldn't have so many future covid patients.

            List of chains who signed up to give vaccinations back in November so there likely will be more now: https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/11/12/trump-administration-partners-chain-independent-community-pharmacies-increase-access-future-covid-19-vaccines.html

            Below is the list of chain and community-pharmacies networks that have signed on as of November 6

            Albertsons Companies, Inc. (incl., Osco, Jewel-Osco, Albertsons, Albertsons Market, Safeway, Tom Thumb, Star Market, Shaws, Haggen, Acme, Randalls, Carrs, Market Street, United, Vons, Pavilions, Amigos, Lucky’s, Pak n Save, Sav-On)

            Costco Wholesale Corp.

            CPESN USA, LLC

            CVS Pharmacy, Inc. (incl. Long’s)

            Good Neighbor Pharmacy and AmerisourceBergen Drug Corporation’s PSAO, Elevate Provider

            Health Mart Systems, Inc.

            H-E-B, LP

            Hy-Vee, Inc.

            LeaderNET and Medicine Shoppe, Cardinal Health’s PSAOs

            Managed Health Care Associates (MHA)

            Meijer Inc.

            Publix Super Markets, Inc.

            Retail Business Services, LLC (incl., Food Lion, Giant Food, The Giant Company, Hannaford Bros Co, Stop & Shop)

            Rite Aid Corp.

            The Kroger Co. (incl., Kroger, Harris Teeter, Fred Meyer, Frys, Ralphs, King Soopers, Smiths, City Market, Dillons, Marianos, Pick-n-Save, Copps, Metro Market)

            Topco Associates, LLC (incl. Big-Y Pharmacy and Wellness Center, Brookshire’s Pharmacy, Super One Pharmacy, FRESH by Brookshire’s Pharmacy, Coborn’s Pharmacy, Cash Wise Pharmacy, MarketPlace Pharmacy, Hartig Drug Company, King Kullen, Food City Pharmacy, Ingles Pharmacy, Raley’s, Bel Air, Nob Hill Pharmacies, Save Mart Pharmacies, Lucky Pharmacies, SpartanNash, Price Chopper, Market 32, Tops Friendly Markets, ShopRite, Wegmans, Weis Markets, Acme Fresh Markets)

            Walgreens (incl. Duane Reade)

            Walmart, Inc. (incl. Sam’s Club)

            Winn-Dixie Stores Inc. (incl. Winn-Dixie, Harveys, Fresco Y Mas)

            [–]foreveracubone 15 points16 points  (3 children)

            All medical, nursing, and pharmacy students are already trained to immunize within the first ~2 years of their programs (varies school to school).

            States might just be relaxing requirements for having a preceptor overseeing them or the university teaching hospital/health system their school is associated with is strongly encouraging students to sign up as immunizers.

            Source: Frequent emails from my school and the hospital starting in December.

            [–]aberrantmoose 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            CVS is building a new store right next to my house. It is supposed to open in March. Maybe the first time I leave the house, I will walk over one building get vaccinated, and then go home. Convenient.

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                [–]WestFastI'm fully vaccinated! 💉💪🩹 11 points12 points  (1 child)

                It’s the supply Chain. Got this from Kaiser (California) this morning

                Got this email from Kaiser today.

                “At Kaiser Permanente, we care for more than 9.3 million Californians — and we’ve received only a fraction of the vaccine needed to vaccinate our health care workers and our members. At the time of this writing, we’ve received approximately 300,000 doses across the state and we’re acting quickly to vaccinate those who are eligible as soon as we receive the vaccine.

                The shortage of vaccine doses and the uncertainty about the timing of vaccine availability worries everyone. The state of California must allocate the limited COVID-19 vaccine supply it receives from the federal government to 58 California counties and 9 multi-county entities, including Kaiser Permanente. We’re currently receiving a total of approximately 40,000 vaccine doses per week in California. We, like the state, are not permitted to purchase more vaccines directly from the manufacturer.

                ...Please know that Kaiser Permanente has the capacity and is prepared to administer more than 200,000 vaccines per week in California — our only limitation is the availability of and access to the vaccine.”

                [–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

                Yes. They’re skittish about supply right now. Once supply isn’t the problem it moves fast.

                [–]exceptyourewrong 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                As a resident of Missouri, I'll say "lol"

                [–]underrealized 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                No, but Walmart, CVS, etc will. In a month, when supplies start becoming available in mass from manufacturing, governments will get out the distribution business and let the real masters take over.

                [–]leaklikeasiv 20 points21 points  (15 children)

                Cool, can Canada borrow some? Promise will pay you back ..

                [–]nerdpox 24 points25 points  (1 child)

                I hope when the US has a surplus we send it to Canada and Mexico, then COVAX.

                [–]WPeachtreeSt 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                Agreed. And hopefully of canada or mexico get extras afterwards, they'd share them with other countries too.

                [–]gingenado 11 points12 points  (1 child)

                Yup, looking forward to being part of our province's proud 30% who won't get it until 2022.

                [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                Canada, we like you, but we don't like like you.

                [–]bostonlilypad 25 points26 points  (2 children)

                Let us come in your country and we’ll think about.

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                  [–]PineMarte 11 points12 points  (1 child)

                  I think it depends on if you elected normal politicians or ones that believe that half the government is run by cannibals

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                    [–]BruceLeeDragon 325 points326 points  (91 children)

                    Ok so if the amount of vaccines will be enough for the entire U.S. adult population by June, how soon can we expect to get these vaccines into people's arms?

                    [–]bjlegstring 163 points164 points  (82 children)

                    I bet people trying to get it will be able to get it April mayish.

                    [–]dopeswagmoney27I'm fully vaccinated! 💉💪🩹 73 points74 points  (75 children)

                    Really? That’s what I used to think, but seeing how badly the ball has been dropped, I’m starting to expect young/healthy people won’t be getting it until August :/

                    [–][deleted] 256 points257 points  (57 children)

                    The American vaccine rollout is being made out to be a lot worse than it is. Basically everyday an extra 1 million+ shots occur. Now this was before Johnson and Johnson or even the increase supplies from Pfizer and Moderna. I’d expect we hit an average of 2 million+ early to mid February.

                    [–]inglandationI'm fully vaccinated! 💉💪🩹 164 points165 points  (18 children)

                    Yeah, look at the rollout in the EU, it's a disaster. The US rollout is actually one of the best in the world right now. My country hasn't even vaccinated 2% of the population.

                    [–]SignGuy77Boosted! ✨💉✅ 87 points88 points  (9 children)

                    Canada here. For the first time in a while I wish we had our shit together like the US. But I’m glad things are turning around for our neighbours.

                    [–]inglandationI'm fully vaccinated! 💉💪🩹 29 points30 points  (7 children)

                    Yeah, Canada is fucked right now because of the EU supply chain (which is in Belgium, I can go throw some eggs at them if you want but it probably won't help). It'll be fine in 2-3 months with more approved vaccines and faster production. The summer will be fine.

                    [–]joemama19 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                    It seems to me like Canada is just way down the list of priority nations for vaccine allocation from the manufacturers. The US is vaccinating a million people a day while Canada is doing about 1% of that number because there is no supply.

                    [–]SignGuy77Boosted! ✨💉✅ 14 points15 points  (1 child)

                    I sure hope so. I’m an elementary school teacher and this has been a slow nightmare, which I really want to wake up from.

                    [–]mofo75ca 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                    Fellow Canadian here in the same boat as you. Slow nightmare is accurate!

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                          [–]Ariisk 44 points45 points  (12 children)

                          The hiccups get overreported and harped on. The 7 day moving average is like 1.1-1.2m right now, and increasing at a steady rate. Production is the main bottleneck right now, to my understanding. 1.1-1.2m/day is still tremendous, especially if they're getting into the most high-risk arms. Hopefully we see continued declines in hospitalizations and a dip in deaths in the next couple weeks.

                          [–]G01234 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                          Yeah the meme that the vaccine rollout is bad is annoying. The US is currently vaccinating, on average, the equivalent of the entire population of Dallas, TX every day. And the rate is increasing every day.

                          Compare this to the EU or the vaccinations rates anywhere in the world outside of small countries like Israel and we're doing pretty damn good.

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                                  [–]Wizmaxman 599 points600 points  (59 children)

                                  Pfizer and moderna already were going to deliver 200m each by June. There's only about 220m (correction: 260m) 16+. So we were already at this point.

                                  Edit: google lied to me, it's more like 260m 16+ people. Also it's 200m doses by each company, 400m doses total for 200m people.

                                  [–]aznoone 195 points196 points  (10 children)

                                  Doses.or enough for that many people. Do those get divided by two for full vaccine ?

                                  [–]ChicagoIL 87 points88 points  (0 children)

                                  Well if it’s 200m each of doses by June then 100m get Pfizer 100m get moderna, 20m might not choose to get the vaccine or can get the J&J one

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                                    [–]ford_cruller 99 points100 points  (21 children)

                                    Not quite. There's about 255m 18+, and 75m 0-17. So J&J will theoretically push the US over the hump earlier than expected.

                                    [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                                    Apparently half the US wants the vaccine initially, after that shipments should vastly outnumber people coming into vaccination centers. That could be as early as end of march for the US.

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                                      [–]Alastor3 14 points15 points  (0 children)

                                      the article mean J&J vaccine alone

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                                        [–]Worth-Enthusiasm-161Boosted! ✨💉✅ 223 points224 points  (22 children)

                                        Any idea how many doses they will distribute to non-US parts of the world? They have promised to deliver 75 million doses to the EU by July, but after AZ I don’t know how much we can trust the medical companies.

                                        [–]reven80 132 points133 points  (0 children)

                                        I think J&J has a goal of 1B doses this year once they ramp up. Half of it is committed for low income countries.

                                        https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufacturing/j-j-touts-covid-vaccine-supply-chain-stability-eyes-plans-for-2022

                                        [–]Carrash22 54 points55 points  (18 children)

                                        Moderna is already cutting back on the amount they’re sending to Canada, by a lot.

                                        [–]toontje18I'm fully vaccinated! 💉💪🩹 30 points31 points  (8 children)

                                        For the EU it is a cut of 20% for 1 delivery, but it's to increase capacity of their factory, so they should be able to oblige to their contract and deliver enough doses. An increase of factory capacity is even better in the long run.

                                        [–]qarlthemade 13 points14 points  (7 children)

                                        the point is that other countries don't get cut, like the UK. while in Germany, most already appointed vaccinations get delayed by several weeks. the delivery cut might be a big fuck up in contracts on the EU part.

                                        [–]toontje18I'm fully vaccinated! 💉💪🩹 11 points12 points  (6 children)

                                        The UK not getting cuts from Pfizer and Moderna is unlikely. The UK relies on EU/CH production for those vaccines. Even heard from someone from Israel on this subreddit that Israel Pfizer deliveries also were cut for a while. So it seems like these factory upgrade cuts were spread evenly across all countries reliant on these factories, because in the long run these cuts are beneficial to the vaccine supply.

                                        There is no big fuck up in EU contracts. Best effort clauses are very normal for such contracts, also the CureVac contract has them.

                                        AZ just had a goal, and didn't even get near, no... not even half of their goal. And only notified the EU one week before approval without prior warnings. That's what you can call a massive fuck up. With Pfizer, Moderna and EU contracts all is well.

                                        Also about Germany, it seems like they took a risky approach running a very low stock. The risk is having to delay vaccinations for a while if delivery doesn't keep up, the benefit is having more vaccinated right now. The Netherlands has a very safe way of doing it, keeping a large stock. And during this ordeal they've said they're going to speed up vaccinations and will be done earlier than expected, even with all those cuts. But the drawback is having one of the lowest vaccination grades in the EU. And that's something to definitely not be proud of.

                                        [–]Bezulba 12 points13 points  (8 children)

                                        But didn't Canada have enough on order to vaccinate the entire population 10 times over?

                                        [–]Lemonion 32 points33 points  (7 children)

                                        No. Canada had ordered, entered in contracts, rec’d commitments for enough to give everyone 6 doses. Any surplus we would provide to countries in dire need.

                                        Twice now, suppliers have significantly pulled back from their delivery commitments to Canada, and the government is “very concerned”.

                                        I’ve seen this episode before, I wonder if a group are heading shipments off before they leave like with PPE...

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                                          [–]pb4201 131 points132 points  (41 children)

                                          Awesome news but to truly end this nightmare we need to make sure the entire world is vaccinated so variants are not spread around the globe!

                                          [–][deleted] 43 points44 points  (16 children)

                                          Unfortunately I'd say about 25% of Americans will refuse the vaccination.

                                          [–]Stumposaurus_Rex 22 points23 points  (4 children)

                                          Hopefully that 25% are also the dumbasses who thought the virus was a hoax and packed the churches/bars/diners and already caught it earlier, contributing to herd immunity.

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                                              [–]mudslags 25 points26 points  (9 children)

                                              So what about those under 18/16, whatever the age limit is for the vaccines?

                                              [–]Thorebore 22 points23 points  (0 children)

                                              They are starting trials for people under 18.

                                              [–]Objective_Butterfly7 18 points19 points  (0 children)

                                              Y’all gon have to wait

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                                                [–][deleted] 194 points195 points  (160 children)

                                                The trick will be to get people to take it.

                                                [–]blartcopy 205 points206 points  (24 children)

                                                True, luckily the number of people who want it has been increasing lately.

                                                [–]jmsatl 33 points34 points  (10 children)

                                                I wish I could get it sooner , I wish I could get it now. Only if we had prepared for this under the last administration

                                                I hope they roll it out by age group in Florida but who the F knows with DeSantis

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                                                  [–]rydan 57 points58 points  (4 children)

                                                  Just mush it up and put it in their hamberders.

                                                  [–]Bezulba 34 points35 points  (7 children)

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                                                  [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (6 children)

                                                  I see your point, but then they spread it around.

                                                  [–]Spoonthedude92 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                                                  I saw somewhere even if only 60% take the vaccine we will see dramatic decrease in cases. So, im still hopeful when more than 70% are more than willing

                                                  [–]WaterLily66 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                                                  I think people will be more willing overall once a few months have gone by after lots of other people get the vaccine. I’ve seen it happening with people I know.

                                                  [–]Fig1024 12 points13 points  (7 children)

                                                  there is one simple way to get lots of people to take vaccines, I'm surprised nobody figured it out: Add a provision to the current COVID relief bill that everyone who gets vaccinated receives a check for $300, right there at the hospital. It helps solve the economic problem of COVID and greatly increase turn out for vaccines

                                                  [–][deleted] 53 points54 points  (83 children)

                                                  Why would I get JNJ if it’s 8x less effective than moderna or Pfizer?

                                                  [–]ManSkirtDude101 107 points108 points  (24 children)

                                                  Because JNJ still prevents death 100% of the time

                                                  [–]Pete_Mesquite 88 points89 points  (13 children)

                                                  And hospitalizations and severe side effects in general.

                                                  It’s a stupid mindset to have the way he’s thinking. 60,000 dollars is much much closer to 100,000 than having zero dollars.

                                                  [–]rdmc23Boosted! ✨💉✅ 42 points43 points  (12 children)

                                                  If you’re in the US, it’s 72%. The only reason why the average is lower is because of the SA variant.

                                                  Overall it prevented death in all vaccine participants.

                                                  [–]SAKabir 18 points19 points  (9 children)

                                                  Pfizer and Moderna efficacy also drops with the new variants. So their 95% numbers are misleading.

                                                  [–]Rivster79 21 points22 points  (7 children)

                                                  Yup. There is a lot of confusion out there. All people see is “66% effective” when they should be seeing:

                                                  -100% effective against death -85% effective against sever symptoms -77% effective in the US -single dose -stable in normal refrigeration

                                                  Also important to note that almost no one in the trial that took the vax was even hospitalized.

                                                  This is a game changer.

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                                                        [–]aznoone 49 points50 points  (1 child)

                                                        Because it may be all.your offered. They will somehow decide who gets mrna and who gets other. It won't always be about storage either like remote towns get the easier ones to store and ship. Some local politician will decide if federal.governemt isn't allowed to. So it will still be uneven state to state.

                                                        [–]fishlicense 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                                        Unfortunately you can bet your bottom dollar on this. This is what happens when there’s a cheaper shittier version of something.

                                                        [–]ArbitraryBaker 55 points56 points  (13 children)

                                                        It’s not 8x less effective. It’s 66% effective after one dose. That’s not any lower than the effectiveness after one dose of the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine.

                                                        Plus, while mixing vaccine doses between brands is not recommended yet some medical experts, other medical experts are leaving that option open to your discretion.

                                                        If you know you can’t get the Pfizer vaccine until a month from now, but you can get the Johnson and Johnson one tomorrow, then it’s 66% more effective to get the Johnson and Johnson one.

                                                        [–]amitkania 12 points13 points  (10 children)

                                                        That’s not any lower than the effectiveness after one dose of the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine.

                                                        The Moderna vaccine is 80-90% efficient after one dose.

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                                                          [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (3 children)

                                                          Because it doesn't actually work that way: https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/l86vvg/when_it_comes_to_vaccine_efficacy_heres_why_94/

                                                          [–]Goldenchest 12 points13 points  (6 children)

                                                          It's much easier to store and therefore distribute, so it'll simply be the only option for most people. I'd rather have moderate protection and faster herd immunity via widespread vaccinations than wait months and months for a more effective vaccine, during which I have a chance of getting infected.

                                                          [–]thefilmer 39 points40 points  (18 children)

                                                          this is so dumb. i keep seeing this level of thinking and I absolutely hate it. Do you know how good a 66 percent one-dose vaccine of ANYTHING is?! The seasonal flu shot that comes out every year only has a 40-50 percent efficacy rate, but you dont see people screaming for two shots or trying to chug it up their butts. Just take the first one offered to you and move on with your life. If J&J turns Covid into an inconvenient cold for 2 days, why on earth would you not do it?

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                                                              [–]Lammetje98 49 points50 points  (26 children)

                                                              72% protection rate in the US, 66% protection on average and 52% against the South African variant. 85% protection against severe COVID (hospitalization and death).

                                                              Only need one injection instead of 2 and it can be kept at refrigerator temperature for 3 months.

                                                              [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (19 children)

                                                              Yeah, I think it's great. Before Pfizer announced their results, we would have been thrilled to have a vaccine that works at all. So I'm still very happy about these numbers.

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                                                                [–]stuffedpizzaman95 96 points97 points  (10 children)

                                                                Commenters are doing mental gymnastics to make a negative comment on great news. So tiring to read this bullshit all year on reddit.

                                                                [–]inglandationI'm fully vaccinated! 💉💪🩹 22 points23 points  (3 children)

                                                                It's always a good idea to detox from reddit every once in a while, there is a lot of negativity/cynicism on this website. You could try to only look at the data from ourworldindata.org or the Bloomberg tracker.

                                                                [–]UncleLongHair0 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                                                                So weird to me that people just grab onto the negativity like it is the only thing keeping them afloat.

                                                                [–]BrilliantMud0 17 points18 points  (1 child)

                                                                It’s pretty amazing that a one dose vaccine able to be stored at fridge temps that is 100 percent effective against severe disease and death after 49 days, among all circulating variants, is somehow a failure to these idiots.

                                                                [–]hatrickstar 17 points18 points  (0 children)

                                                                This sub is coming to terms that they won't be able to stay inside 24/7 and have it be socially accessible anymore.

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                                                                  [–]ErikaNYC007I'm fully vaccinated! 💉💪🩹 35 points36 points  (2 children)

                                                                  Such great news. Brought tears to my eyes.

                                                                  [–][deleted] 323 points324 points  (76 children)

                                                                  Think of all the people who insisted gathering during the holidays who caught Covid and died from it.

                                                                  This will be over in 6 months, but they're dead forever. And, the people who infected them have to live with that guilt for the rest of their lives.

                                                                  Glad I wasn't that selfish.

                                                                  [–]hapianman 96 points97 points  (11 children)

                                                                  My nephew’s fiancée has a large family and they simply didn’t care and they gathered for Thanksgiving and Christmas. I didn’t, because my Aunt died in October because she thought it was prudent to host a 75th birthday for my uncle (I DID NOT GO, nor did my immediate family). She was on a ventilator for 38 days and died November 14th.

                                                                  I called them out on their gatherings the other day, and they got super pissed and said “nobody got sick”. I told them it didn’t matter that nobody got sick. They got lucky, but they still did the wrong thing. It’s like saying “I drove home drunk, but it didn’t matter because I didn’t kill anyone”.

                                                                  My Aunt is gone forever. By her own stupidity, but it’s still forever.

                                                                  [–]justakidfromflint 46 points47 points  (9 children)

                                                                  I just got a 24 hour ban from facebook because some woman was crying over her daughter not liking being locked down and I told her my mom was dead forever. She told me she didn't care because her 14 year old daughter was more important than a "dead crack head" (no my mom wasn't a crack head, she didn't even drink) I may have completely lost it then and called her a c u next Tuesday

                                                                  Edit: correction, 7 day ban 🤦🏻‍♀️ but she's STILL in the comments going off on people who are calling her out and saying how it "must be true because I'm not denying it" I want to go in on my 2nd account but she's the type who will report for a sock account

                                                                  [–]NoodleSSM 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                                                                  Sorry for your loss. You're better than that person, and so was your Mom.

                                                                  [–]fishlicense 23 points24 points  (1 child)

                                                                  Fuck Facebook. I’m sorry you lost your mom.

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                                                                    [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                                                                    My sister in law and her husband, along with my father in law and his wife pulled the same shit for Halloween, Thanksgiving, and Christmas. Now they are not talking to my wife after we refused to go to any of these gatherings. They haven't taken any of this seriously and think that my wife is believing some kind of liberal agenda. What they can't seem to get through their heads, is that my wife WORKS AT A HOSPITAL! She has seen, and continues to see, all the bodies being rolled down to the morgue, coming from the covid floor(s)!

                                                                    [–]mynameismy111Boosted! ✨💉✅ 160 points161 points  (21 children)

                                                                    i doubt they will feel guilt, just claim it was god's will or some bs.

                                                                    [–]over_mountains 53 points54 points  (4 children)

                                                                    Remember, we’re all going to be seeing indisputable effects of climate change in the next few decades and even then these people are going to say that it’s actually the Democrats with their weather manipulation devices. Synthesizing climate change for... reasons.

                                                                    The point is these people are master justifiers. They will never reflect

                                                                    [–]RichieRicch 80 points81 points  (7 children)

                                                                    This hit home. I have an aunt who is Mormon, not close with her at all. My mom was speaking to her about all the fires in California and how terrible it was. I shit you not this 60 year old woman says “well it’s all gods plan.” Sometimes I think about that. About truly having that mindset about terrible things that happen around you. It’s all gods plan. It fascinates me and kind of angers me to be honest. I guess everyone has different ways of coping.

                                                                    [–]mynameismy111Boosted! ✨💉✅ 14 points15 points  (2 children)

                                                                    give that person the power of a monarchy.... and you have the enlightenment era vs 16-1700s real-time replay.....

                                                                    there has to a be a perfected witty response to "god's plan" defenses... just.. aghast..

                                                                    [–]itsdangeroustakethis 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                                                                    "Looks like a shit plan from here."

                                                                    "God needs to sober up before making more plans."

                                                                    "Sounds like he might need some help, his creation is literally on fire."

                                                                    "Yeah, he's a pretty cruel god. Reminds me of Sid and the ants from Toy Story."

                                                                    [–]captainhaddockI'm fully vaccinated! 💉💪🩹 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                                                                    I shit you not this 60 year old woman says “well it’s all gods plan.”

                                                                    Biblically speaking, when God's plan is to send a plague on you, it's because you've screwed up pretty badly and need to smarten up.

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                                                                      [–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (4 children)

                                                                      Good point. My elderly relatives aren't signing up for the vaccine because "god is in control". That's the words to their magic spell that absolves them of any personal responsibility or need to care about anyone or anything.

                                                                      [–]profkimchi 23 points24 points  (0 children)

                                                                      I assume they will also refuse any medical assistance of any kind for anything, right? And they refuse to take any kind of medication for underlying conditions, like hypertension, diabetes, etc?

                                                                      If god is in control, why did he have us come up with the modern miracle that are vaccines only to not use them?

                                                                      [–]xtraspcial 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                                                                      Don’t they realize that if God is in control like they think, then the vaccines are also part of God’s plan? It’s like the story of the devout man in a flood turning away all the help that comes his way because he insists that god will save him.

                                                                      [–]throwaway366548 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                                      What's interesting is that this mindset could work the other way too; if they get the vaccine and then get severe side effects and/or die from it, it was God's will!

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                                                                        [–]BruceLeeDragon 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                                                                        Oh that's even more depressing

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                                                                          [–]mario_meowingham 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                                                                          I havent seen my parents in person for 14 months. I had plane tickets to go home for christmas but we cancelled them out of caution. Both my parents are vaccinated now and i will be by May. It was worth the safety.

                                                                          [–]shellybearcat 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                                                          It’s even worse than that-think of all the people who insisted on gathering during the holidays then infected and killed an essential worker who was taking ever single precaution they could to keep themselves and others safe.

                                                                          I don’t want anybody to die or get sick but I anticipate a tipping point where most people who have been taking this seriously are vaccinated, and the majority of new sick and dead are those who have been reckless the whole time. At least then the ones being idiotic are the ones paying the price.

                                                                          [–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (19 children)

                                                                          It won’t be over in six months. With all the disinformation and anti vaxers it’s going to take a while to reach herd immunity. The general public in SF where I am is being told they won’t get the vaccine until the end of the year.

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                                                                            [–]Elrick-Von-DigitalI'm fully vaccinated! 💉💪🩹 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                                                            This is a celebration 🎉 let’s gooooooooooo

                                                                            [–]otter111a 69 points70 points  (2 children)

                                                                            these comments are awful Turn away all ye who enter

                                                                            [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                                                                            My /r/coronavirus bingo card is almost completely covered.

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                                                                              [–]Ruzty1311 47 points48 points  (31 children)

                                                                              I can see certain places, just for example Disneyland, requiring vaccination before entering the park and validation via name and id check or a vaccination card. Is this considered government control or good health practice? I vote good health practice lol

                                                                              [–]revolution110 25 points26 points  (11 children)

                                                                              Of course that's how it's gonna work. You want to fly, get vaccinated and other things like that so that a majority chunk of the population gets vaccinated

                                                                              [–]DatGrag 20 points21 points  (9 children)

                                                                              wouldn't this mean private businesses turning down $$$ that they are not required to turn down? Not holding my breath on this one

                                                                              [–]revolution110 14 points15 points  (1 child)

                                                                              We already have some schools who deny admission to kids who are not vaccinated. So, it will work along those lines. Of course, it can't be for minor stuff like, you can't enter the mall coz you are not vaccinated but for major stuff like flights, university etc

                                                                              [–]Fonduemeup 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                                              Gotta think about the people on the other side who would refuse to use businesses who don’t uphold that

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                                                                                    [–]p3n9uins 12 points13 points  (5 children)

                                                                                    For sure they told president joe this ahead of his announcement earlier this week

                                                                                    [–]sci-fi-lullaby 20 points21 points  (0 children)

                                                                                    Oh, y'all mean the rest of us peasants and not the douchebag covid denying politicians who already done got theirs?

                                                                                    [–]mtgordon 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                                                                                    That will tide me over until I can get one of the mRNA vaccines, then.

                                                                                    [–]rob5i 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                                                                    Why does the guy in the picture look like he just realized he left 1000 doses of the vaccine out on a counter to expire?

                                                                                    [–]Objective_Butterfly7 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                                                                                    Yesssss I’m so excited for this to be approved. As someone with a severe needle phobia the thought of getting 2 shots was seriously making me consider whether I’d rather just walk into oncoming traffic. But with the J&J vaccine I can load up on Xanax, get a friend to drive me there, and be unconscious before I’m home. After that first shot tho I’m not getting another. Miss me with this “yearly booster like the flu” bullshit

                                                                                    [–]Lady_LaClaire 26 points27 points  (21 children)

                                                                                    Is their 1 shot at 60ish% good enough when 2 other companies have their 2 shot versions which are 90+% effective?

                                                                                    [–]bokavitch 32 points33 points  (4 children)

                                                                                    Apparently some of that difference might be due to the earlier vaccines having done their clinical trials before the new strains emerged.

                                                                                    [–]Thunderstarter 22 points23 points  (3 children)

                                                                                    If everyone who can get a vaccine gets one of those three, it won't really matter which one you got.

                                                                                    [–]whosdamike 21 points22 points  (6 children)

                                                                                    But 100% effective against hospitalizations and deaths. Also, efficacy against getting even moderately sick goes above 80% in the weeks after you get the shot.

                                                                                    [–]sp3kter 10 points11 points  (5 children)

                                                                                    Not worried about hospitalization and death, im worried about the damage it would do even with mild symptoms.

                                                                                    [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                                                                                    100% protection against hospitalization and death.

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                                                                                      [–]SublimeUniverse 87 points88 points  (32 children)

                                                                                      I want more than 66% efficacy.

                                                                                      [–]Kaellian 93 points94 points  (11 children)

                                                                                      Keep in mind the symptoms are severely reduced as well. It's not "33% chance to get normal covid"

                                                                                      And other vaccines will probably work just fine later. You wont be limited to a single vaccine forever. They can probably be mixed just fine.

                                                                                      [–]Sk-yline1 23 points24 points  (0 children)

                                                                                      Exactly, it’s plenty for people on the younger side, we should take 95% if we can get it but 60-70% (and total protection from hospitalization/death) will be a huge boost.

                                                                                      [–]sp3kter 9 points10 points  (4 children)

                                                                                      It's not the hospitalization or death part im worried about with J&J its being able to contract the virus at all, even if it just gives me the sniffles now what will it have done 10-20 years from now?

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                                                                                        [–]snorkelaar 66 points67 points  (10 children)

                                                                                        90% is extremely good for a vaccine, 66% is pretty decent and initially what was expected.

                                                                                        If you fall in the 34% who catch it, you'll still be protected from severe symptoms. Plus, when a lot of people get vaccinated, the spreading will slow down and you chance of not getting infected will go far higher than 90%. That's the real medicine.

                                                                                        Really, 66% in one shot for an easy to distribute vaccine is good news, and when you get the chance you should take it.

                                                                                        [–]edsuom 27 points28 points  (5 children)

                                                                                        I just wish it were known that it would also protect against the long-hauler stuff. People who get that often only have mild initial symptoms.

                                                                                        [–]fishlicense 14 points15 points  (0 children)

                                                                                        My thoughts exactly when this “you’ll only get a mild case” is said. People with mild cases still had ground glass opacities and strokes!

                                                                                        [–]awsfhie2 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                                                                                        I’m posting this because I hope someone with knowledge about this can verify for me.

                                                                                        Obviously with COVID some people don’t develop significant symptoms short term, but to an extent the illness does seem to have a dose response (ie the more virus you are exposed to the sicker you get). So with the mild disease after J&J vaccination, I am assuming this is due to a partial immune response that limits viral replication in your body. Is it possible that the people with mild initial symptoms who then became long haulers were those who just reacted to high levels of virus over time/took a while for the damage to reach a point that was noticeable? Because in that case I would think that vaccination would reduce the chances for long term symptoms too because there is less virus to create damage.

                                                                                        Again, I don’t know. I’m hoping people with more knowledge of this stuff can confirm/correct this thought process.

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                                                                                            [–]full07britney 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                                                                                            They're testing out a 2 shot one now

                                                                                            [–]BGYeti 40 points41 points  (0 children)

                                                                                            Apparently it is 72% but I agree I want Pfizer or Moderna not J&J unless I can get both and just use J&J as a bridge.

                                                                                            [–]DeezNeezutsBoosted! ✨💉✅ 26 points27 points  (3 children)

                                                                                            Your chances of catching it are going to be extremely low once the spread stops as well. Looks like the vaccines are also limiting the spread as well.

                                                                                            [–]vagrantheather 17 points18 points  (0 children)

                                                                                            Cases are decreasing worldwide even in countries that don't have the vaccine yet. I think a lot of that is chalked up to the end of the holiday surge, not necessarily the vaccine yet. Though I do expect we'll continue to see numbers drop off in countries that are ramping up vaccine distribution.

                                                                                            [–]paperbackgarbage 37 points38 points  (1 child)

                                                                                            Looks like the vaccines are also limiting the spread as well.

                                                                                            Really? Has that been widely cited?

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                                                                                              [–]JimmyisAwkwardBoosted! ✨💉✅ 18 points19 points  (7 children)

                                                                                              I want to know when teens/kids will get a vaccine because I refuse to go to school without one. I do not want to risk getting long term symptoms

                                                                                              [–]Canaris1 9 points10 points  (3 children)

                                                                                              Great maybe by a miracle you guys can send some to canada.

                                                                                              [–]mannyccc 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                                                                              I miss concert festivals!!! Let’s go!

                                                                                              [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                                                                              June?

                                                                                              Shit.

                                                                                              Feels like 1999, bro

                                                                                              [–]Hyperion1144 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                                                              Except that basically no one wants the J&J vaccine, so that'll be an issue.

                                                                                              [–]CaptainRAVE2 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                                                                              Thank you Johnson and Johnson. Great work.

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