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[–][deleted] 241 points242 points  (6 children)

I read like a maniac before I went to college. Then I went to college (later in life than many other people) and I had to read many articles and books that were for my degree.

I don't think I read a single novel in the time I was at college.

I left college and did a Masters degree which meant more reading of texts for the coursework. And no novel reading...

After I left college, I started to read novels again but it was a gradual process. Took me a little while but I soon got back into it.

[–]Remote-Ranger-7304 18 points19 points  (1 child)

I was exactly the same. During my time at art school all I read was art theory. Reading fiction after all this was like therapy

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I also went to art college. I enjoyed some of the things I had to read, but after a while it became so sterile and unfeeling.

I only read novels now.

[–]ghostaly 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Same here. I hadn't read a full book that wasn't academic in nature since 2012. Granted, I bought plenty at stores and library book sales, but never got through any of them.

Finally pushed myself to read one I was really interested in last January, ended up reading it in 4 days, then kept going until I completed 30 novels and the entirety of The Sandman in 2021.

It still feels surreal after all that time spent not reading.

[–]FireLucid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Same here except it was the MS Read-a-thon and I won $500 to spend at Target among other things. Hello Nintendo64, goodbye reading. Slowly got back into it more and more as an adult.

Now I read an hour every day during my lunch break.

[–]marble-polecat 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I feel this so much. During my B.A I hardly ever felt like reading anything because of all the papers and articles we were forced to read for courses/written assignments. During my almost 9 year long academic schooling (B.A+M.A), I started and finished maybe 8 books in total? I was an avid reader before that. Only now I'm feeling a need to read something that has no citesin the end of sentences and bibliography.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The joy of not having to check footnotes or go to the back of a book and check some other notes...

And the joy to just get lost in the book I am reading without having to critically understand every single word...

[–]RufusTheDeer 1118 points1119 points  (73 children)

It took me three years after I got my English degree to read for fun again. And now, almost 8 years ago for me to legitimately get excited to read during my free time.

Long story short: give it time

[–]kellyhitchcock 216 points217 points  (10 children)

Only took me 15 years to give myself permission to give up on a book I don't enjoy.

[–]shes_a_tree 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Same here !!

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Hmmm

She's a tree, don't trust her.

She has an agenda.

[–]shes_a_tree 1 point2 points  (0 children)

😁😆 good one !!!

[–]trollsong 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I was a lot more strict I have been made fun of for how strict I am, a lot of books I give like 3 pages to a chapter, if it doesnt have my interest by then, I dont continue.

[–]RufusTheDeer 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah, that's a hard lesson to learn

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's tough because often times being hard on yourself pays off. Took me three attempts to get into IJ and it ended up being perhaps my favorite thing I've read.

But sometimes it don't be like that

[–][deleted] 293 points294 points  (31 children)

I hated my English degree for that. I felt it ruined literature for me forever. Like you though, I learned to read for fun again and no longer try to find the hidden message wrapped in a psycho analytic lens that equated smoking cigarettes to sucking dick.

I’m not bitter.

[–]brendanl1998 103 points104 points  (18 children)

My most enjoyable English classes were when the teacher just let us share about the book without forcing us to tear apart every tiny possible interpretation. My least favorite was the teacher who made us put a post-it note on every page. I liked her as a teacher, but it would ruin my concentration and enjoyment of the reading. All I could think about was my note

[–]Krip123Isaac Asimov - The Last Question 32 points33 points  (5 children)

"Miss Anderson I'm using a Kindle."

[–]BastMatt95 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Can’t you put annotations on Kindle?

[–]looshi99 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, just don't use a Sharpie.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, but they’re not annoying like cramming a physical book full of post it notes. Haha.

[–]Valhern-Aryn 25 points26 points  (6 children)

I just remembered a conversation I was having about a book, the teacher sat down, and told us to think about the symbolism of the name of a character.

He made it weird, but in reality? The last name was literally a joke and the first name just a Scottish one.

[–]nerfherder998 45 points46 points  (5 children)

This is Reddit, it's OK to say MacBeth

[–]bakewelltart20 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Hey, be careful out there!

[–]Valhern-Aryn 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Not even

I think it was Kilgore Trout from Slaughterhouse Five

[–]nerfherder998 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Life is no way to treat an animal

[–]Montigue 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Shakespeare was eating a Big Mac and thought "you know what would be hilarious"

[–]DunmerSkooma 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Clearly he was refering to the Lion King.

[–]scolfin 6 points7 points  (1 child)

My most enjoyable English classes were when the teacher just let us share about the book without forcing us to tear apart every tiny possible interpretation

So the math class that let you just enjoy the numbers instead of doing calculations, then.

[–]Iagos_Beard 157 points158 points  (8 children)

Damn... maybe I'm in the minority but my English degree ignited my passion for reading more than ever before. My classes usually introduced me to a single work of many of the greatest writers in the history of the English language, making me hungry for more. The summer between junior and senior year I practically lived in the university's beautiful reading room and read through Salinger and Steinbeck's entire bibliography.

[–]JustKeepSwimmingDory 53 points54 points  (1 child)

My English degree ignited my passion for reading more than ever before.

Me too! It’s because of my English degree that I fell in love with the classics. I’ve loved reading since I was young, and went into the creative writing/literature program at my uni fully aware of the required reading we’d need to do.

[–]mandajapanda 8 points9 points  (0 children)

They say the best way to become a better writer is to read a lot.

[–]zappadattic 84 points85 points  (0 children)

Literature classes were probably the first place I really felt motivated to have serious discussions about reading and really apply any genuine mental effort beyond just remembering literal events or character names to pass a quiz.

I can’t imagine coming out of it bitter at having been expected to apply multiple analytical frameworks like some of these earlier comments.

[–]crapmonkey86 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah I'm with you here. I read for fun and was a good writer through school, so I chose English as my degree knowing it wasn't necessarily the most business savvy choice. Taking a hard, nuanced look at the classics we read during my college years, with professors who really had a passion for their subject and enjoyed the discussion with students as much as they did teaching us to read with a critical eye, only developed my love for reading more. There's nothing wrong with simply enjoying a story, but having that bit extra to chew only enhances reading, not diminish it.

[–]TheFishSauce 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Me too. It just gave me a whole bunch of new ways into books, and new things to love about them.

[–]aintbutathing3 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yes, as a young man I became Garlog Devourer of Books! Once I got lucky enough for a few good teachers they just stoked the fires of thirst. I went into sciences so my love of stories and literature was never spoilt.

[–]MagnusCthulhu 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I could not disagree more. I wouldn't trade my English degree for anything. The value of any story is its depth, how it responds to and changes under active analysis. It's the difference between a 3 star Michelin meal and fast food. I still like fast food, but why deny myself the really good stuff, too?

[–]LeoMariusbook currently reading: The Talented Mr. Ripley 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is why I wasn’t a lit major. I didn’t major in French because the last 6 courses were all literary analysis. I just didn’t enjoy tearing fiction apart.

[–]organic_sunrise 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Same! After I got my English degree I felt so burnt out on reading and writing papers. I counted and I wrote over 50 essays during my undergrad. It took me years to finally want to read again and I still have an internal monologue where I try not to judge what I’m reading (as in it’s okay to read a book that’s not literary)

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Omg the WRITING. I did a dual major in English and philosophy and around the time I graduated I remember calculating an estimated 1000 pages of double-spaced 12 pt Times New Roman generated by me in undergrad.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I got my English degree 12 years ago and still can't read the stuff associated with my capstone courses (Harlem Renaissance, Shakespeare) despite liking it at the time. It just takes me back to that time in my life, which was really bad.

[–]fuscator 11 points12 points  (15 children)

I mean no offence to you or others who studied English, but by the sounds of it, it was a massive slog and not enjoyable. Why would people do this to themselves? What job were you after that needed this?

[–]RufusTheDeer 15 points16 points  (1 child)

No offense; it's a fair point.

I really enjoyed my English classes (especially the 300 and 400 level classes). I enjoyed the different type of discussions we would have the most. One of my favorite professors would always say, "You can be wrong and you can be not wrong but you can't really be right." And I like that.

My English degree helped me in a lot of ways-- mostly in how I thought about the world and the people in it--and I value that. But the shear amount of reading was very taxing. In my senior year I averaged one book and two essays a week, plus research for papers (average of 5 sources each meaning 10 to 15 read), plus aaaaaaaalllll my other classes. It's a lot and I got sick of it lol

As for the job, I am a maintenance worker, bought a house, and have built the spare bedroom into a study with a library

[–]hippydipster 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I feel this way about my philosophy degree. It didn't help me get a job specifically. By the time I got my degree, I needed out of it. But, going through that process changed me, and, IMO, made me better at thinking in all kinds of ways that are hard to quantify. I'm a software developer now and it plays into that. One of my best friends has a degree in lit, and is also now a software developer.

The exercises in turning ideas and problems around and examining them in these different ways trains you to think in ways that aren't very common.

[–]iNeverSAWaPurpleCow 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I asked this same question because I have a child that is pursuing an English degree. Turns out it is the same as any other degree, you will get out of it whatever you put in. My child is very interested in editing and publishing, but there are so many paths you can take. Plenty of CEOs, famous journalists, famous writers, doctors, lawyers, and even a Supreme Court Justice were English majors.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is a fair question. It doesn't directly lead to any jobs really -- I found that it gives you a lot of soft skills that are useful in a variety of white collar jobs, though. I have a dual degree in English and philosophy and have a great job running the purchasing department of a small factory, with a wage that is more than double the median for my area.

[–]pepperdawgy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Because English was always my fav subject in school. I loved reading, analyzing, writing papers. I wanted to be an editor. But that was when i had one English class per year. My freshman year I had 2 ENGL classes and one Spanish class. I got assigned to read 3 (albeit shorter) books in one weekend. On top of other homework. It was impossible to do. I was probably assigned over 100 books to read over the major. Maybe 200. And each one came with papers and quizzes and such. That’s a lot. And it was super fun, don’t get me wrong. But after awhile reading became JUST analyzing instead of trying to enjoy the books I like. So now when I try to read books for fun it’s just… not fun anymore. And it’s heartbreaking to me, because I used to love it so much. And i want to love it again. I think the Major was just so over stimulating? And now it’s like reading for fun doesn’t feel like enough.

TLDR: No, it was very, very fun. It just got to be too much and made reading by myself less enjoyable.

[–]TheFishSauce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm an editor now, but I also used my degree when I was doing project management for large scale public infrastructure projects. You know who can go toe to toe with lawyers during project closeout document review? English majors. Saved my client $5.3 million in unnecessary payouts in the span of about ten days. I also believe education has merits on its own, regardless of getting a job out of it; universities were never intended as job training centres.

But the degree requires you to be open to a lot of stuff. Like Robertson Davies said: a book is like a mirror; if an ass peers in, you can't expect an apostle to peer out. Most of the folks I did my lit degree with were there either because they liked to read and didn't know what else to do, or because they thought it was an easy path to teacher's college. If you aren't there because you actually want to study literature in a deep, thorough way, then you are going to be in for a crazy rude awakening when you find out what the field actually involves – what folks did in high school bears almost no relationship to what happens at the university level. It's heavy on philosophy with a bit of history in the mix, heavy on deep, close analysis, heavy on being open to stuff that's not about you or what you like. Like/don't like is irrelevant, good/not good is irrelevant. You learn to be able to look at a piece of writing and be able to see how it works both inside and outside its original context. Any piece of writing. That's a deep skill, with broad applications, and once you've turned it on it's hard to shut off.

Anyway, I loved it, and it just opened up whole new avenues of reading for me. But if it's not what you're there for, it can be really hard to protect the uncomplicated pleasure you had in reading before that.

[–]atthebeach_gsd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It was because I liked reading and writing. I almost switched to history but was in too deep at that point. Went onto law school so could have majored in anything but in hindsight I wish I had picked something... 'easier'.

And Rebecca was the book that was ruined for me. By a professor with an accent reading it out loud as if we were in grade school. 🤦‍♀️

[–]ofbalance 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I would suppose it's down to the person, the assigned reading material and the lecturer's approach to teaching.

Who said you there's a job after an english degree?

[–]SkinHairNails 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Who said you there's a job after an english degree?

That's the question they're asking.

[–]Dystempre 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Christ, 1st year uni English The Song of Roland…. Dude, just blow the bloody horn. That one left scars

[–]Pumpedandbleeding 4 points5 points  (0 children)

12 years later I focus on getting to the end instead of enjoying it. It’s like I still think I have a paper to write. It also feels very forced. Legitimately makes me thinking I’m just not a reader.

This is from reading in highschool.

[–]Physical-Energy-6982 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I had major burnout after college. I got a music degree and found no enjoyment in classical music anymore, and since I went to a liberal arts school and had to take plenty of classics courses for my honors program, I was burnt out on reading too. It’s only this year, six (oh my god six) years after I graduated that I’m reading as much as I used to.

[–]action_lawyer_comics 404 points405 points  (27 children)

Let me ask you a simple question: are you still “forcing” yourself to read them? If you are still putting pressure on yourself to read them, of course it’s going to feel like a chore. There is nothing wrong with being an adult who only reads books that are less than a couple decades old.

If a book feels like a chore or an assignment, read something that doesn’t. There is a thousand times more value in reading something you enjoy and talking about it with people in your real life than there is in reading a book that decades of gatekeepers have decided is worth reading to be an “intellectual” if reading it makes you miserable just so you can say you’ve read it.

[–]particle409 110 points111 points  (2 children)

Agreed. There is nothing wrong with reading some Carl Hiassen books, or anything else that's entertaining. I can appreciate that Citizen Kane is a classic movie that greatly influenced the art, but I'd still rather watch a Seth Rogen movie.

Nobody cares if you've ever read The Great Gatsby or Little Women. Life's too short.

[–]SpaceZZ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Great Gatsby was fine, but was mostly controversial at that time. Reading it now, well it's really underwhelming, there is just no shocking value.

[–]clutzyninja 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Excellent advice. I went through a period where I was forcing myself to read a classic after every "modern" book I finished. Even though I genuinely enjoyed some of them (I was surprised how much I liked Crime and Punishment) for the most part I was miserable, lol

[–]rachface5and3 2 points3 points  (2 children)

A big turning point for me was finally giving my permission to stop reading if I wasn’t enjoying a book. No more feeling like I had to finish it just because I started.

[–]llex_xell[S] 18 points19 points  (13 children)

I still read a lot but right now I stick to trashy romances and comic books/manga because everything else just feels like work

[–]sandInACan 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Some call it literary junk food - good thing that’s not real. Reading is a hobby, not a contest or job. Read the fun stuff that draws you in as much as you can. There might come a day where that copy of 1984 looks like a good way to spend an afternoon. When that day comes, pick it up.

Life is to short to bludgeon yourself with Heart Of Darkness if One Piece is what brings you happiness.

[–]AdResponsible5513 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was delighted I bought Roger Lancelyn Green's The Adventures of Robin Hood last year.

[–]Aslanic 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Read what you want to read - I'm happy when someone reads any kind of books at all. I don't think there's anything wrong with reading fantasy and romance novels. I don't get why anyone would say you only learn attention and concentration from reading difficult books written with an outdated lexicon. I have books series that span 10-20 books, you definitely have to pay attention and remember how things went in prior books to get full enjoyment from the later ones. Just because it's easier for me to read those books than it was for me to power through Foucault doesn't mean they have any less value. I hardly remember anything from the classics I've read, through class or otherwise, with the exception of a few that really resonated with me or which I took extra care to really understand. Like, I spent a year in high school reading through Les Mis. It was difficult, but I was invested in the story and I wanted to know what happened.

I've derived more about living my life the way I should, about people, and about how this world works from manga and fantasy books than from a charles dickens novel.

Honestly, if you really want to know what these books are about but can't stand the language, read the kids classics versions. I loved those books as a kid, and I was introduced to a lot of great stories that way. I went and read some of the originals in college and high school, and the stories were the same as I had remembered, just with a bit more language thrown in. Definitely helped me to read the classics after I already knew the story and had context for words I may not have understood if I had just gone straight to reading the classic version.

Alternatively, watch a movie or play of the story. That helped me a lot with shakespeare. Just look at the recent trending video of andrew scott reading the to be or not to be speech. He brings life to those words, in a way that makes the rest of the play make so much more sense. Like, yeah, you can say to a teen this is hamlet talking about living or dying, but hearing it in someones voice that they are actually considering death is much more impactful. Video is older but it was recently a trending reddit video.

There are ways to enjoy these stories without actually having to read them. There is a reason they've been adapted so many times. There are good stories there, but they get updated with modern values and language so that people can continue to enjoy the stories without having to reference a dictionary, a thesaurus, and look up outdated phrases and references by whatever means they have (I didn't always have google).

[–]Andjhostet5 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Honestly, if you recently graduated college, and if you get a boring job, you'll crave some intellectual stimulation soon, just give it time. You'll soon welcome the work that a classic novel brings, and the incredible gratification you get from actually enjoying it and finishing it.

[–]kwokinator 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I pretty much went down the same path you did minus the trashy romance. Went from reading Shakespeare on my own time in high school to never reading and I didn't even do an English degree in university, just a few English courses.

Still read comics and a ton of manga but no novels. Now almost a decade later I've graduated to reading...light novels.

[–]AdResponsible5513 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Get there to a nunnery!

[–]AdResponsible5513 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Edit thee

[–]zebulonworkshops 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I mean... it is work. Reading anything that isn't pulp/page-turner type of stuff is literally work. It is mentally taxing once you learn how to close read. This is because you know it's there now: that extra meaning, intention. There's a lot to consider in most pages of 'literary fiction'. Turning off your understanding is neither easy nor something you generally want to do.

There's often a burnout period after college where you just don't want to do that work, it happens. Enjoy your lighter fare. It can take years for sure. I've only read a handful of literary fiction novels since grad school, but like a dozen Star Wars novels which definitely felt easier, because, spoiler, they were. Just like the Kevin Herbert Dune Prequel books were a quicker read than Frank's core series. There wasn't as much close reading required. They weren't as 'rewarding', but they were a fun enough distraction. And if you're reading to distract yourself from your work or troubles or whatever, you're not looking to do more work, you're looking to switch off a bit of your brain and good literature requires it to remain switched on. It's kind of like learning to be a connoisseur of something. I be connoisseur can tell a good double IPA from a bad one for a dozen reasons a layperson can't, but sometimes you just want a watery Bud or some vodka.

[–]MaxChaplin 10 points11 points  (5 children)

You're talking about two categories of books (respectable and dull vs. light and fun) but subjectively there are three categories - books read for fun, books read for status, and books that provide wisdom (many books are a combinations of the three). If you focus entirely on fun books, you're cutting out the dead weight of status-signalling reading, but also challenging books that might be valuable for you. Willpower is like a muscle; if you don't use it it atrophies, and the range of literature you can bring yourself to read shrinks.

I think it'd be better to have a compromise strategy where you're selecting books that seem both somewhat fun and somewhat valuable, and those whet your appetite for literature that you considered boring or too challenging before.

[–]Stormypwns 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I think a better analogy would be that willpower is like a muscle and you can overwork or sprain it. I believe that it's easier to overwork such a muscle than it is to atrophy it over time. If burnout is the issue, reading strictly fun things for a while could be the best medicine. An overworked muscle can only be healed with rest, while an atrophied muscle can always be strengthened with work.

Personally, I have a hard time remembering any books that I've read that are both valuable and fun; which isn't to say that they're antithetical to each other insomuch as actually finding a work that is both is rare. Something can be intellectually stimulating, to the effect it keeps you hooked and thinking about it, but not exactly fun.

For instance, I like to read translations of Kafka, but I doubt anyone who enjoys his works would call reading him fun.

EDIT; guess I'm wrong and everyone considers Kafka to be fun. Guess I'm alone in feeling that there are works that I 'like' to read that I also don't necessarily enjoy or have fun reading. I believe it's possible to feel compelled to read something because it's stimulating while not actually enjoying it per se. I suppose I'm alone in that.

[–]MaxChaplin 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Kafka's work is fun, just not "weeeee" fun. It's darkly humorous and allows you to vicariously experience an incredible situation from the safety of the other side of the page.

[–][deleted] 168 points169 points  (3 children)

Haha that’s funny. I avoided reading all these kinds of books during school and now I love to read them.

Don’t force it. Maybe you’ll find some you can come back to someday. Just read what you enjoy. There are an infinite number of options out there.

[–]ss10t 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Can’t wait to see this reposted on r/bookscirclejerk

[–]Watayahotel 108 points109 points  (1 child)

That’s a tough position to be in. As someone who’s studying literature in grad school, it’s hard to “turn my brain off” while reading or to try not to over analyze things. I remember being haunted by a younger professor of mine who said he hadn’t read fiction since he got his PhD for the reason you’d mentioned.

My best advice for you would be to ditch some of these books or even lists of classics. It’s not that you shouldn’t read them, but sometimes I feel that seeing something upheld as “a classic” or “masterpiece” can give us pressure to have to like them or make you feel like you’re wrong if you didn’t. Instead, read what you enjoy and simply have fun! I always tell people that it doesn’t matter what they’re reading, as long as they read and have fun then that’s all that matters. You pick up so many small things when you read any novel.

If you still find that you want to read some of these greats or classics, I’d ask someone who knows your preferences to name a few that might be up your alley. You may find that you hate social critiques like Austen or the Brontë’s but love commentary on War like that of Hemingway or Heller. I’ll stop rambling but as long as you’re reading stuff that you enjoy, you’re doing it right!:)

[–]greeneyedwench 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree! To me the trick is not differentiating between The Classics(tm) and everything else. That just leads to feeling like they're some kind of foul vegetable that your parents are forcing you to eat.

The classics were, for the most part, not written with the aim of creating classics. They were written to make money or because the story was just burning to get out. And then they just happened to speak to enough people to stand the test of time. A lot of the classics were the "fun" lit of their day. And we could be reading a future classic now without knowing it.

Tl;dr: they're all just books, read what sounds interesting to you.

[–]Pinco158 71 points72 points  (32 children)

Read a book from the 1960's don't jump straight into 1890 or 20s 30s books, work your way back. I read Dune and the magus by John Fowles, they were amazing.

[–]Soggy_Motor9280 34 points35 points  (21 children)

I just finished Dune about a month ago. I found it incredibly slow and (spoiler alert) I did not like how the pace sped up after the death of his son. It was like we were stuck on 30 mph during the whole book and then once the kid died we’re doing 95 and boom books over. One of the few times I enjoyed the movie (new one) over the book.

[–]Bubbagumpredditor 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Dune is a book o only appreciated on the rereading. The politics is the important bit, not the worms.

[–]Pinco158 10 points11 points  (13 children)

Oh yeah definitely agree, I didn't like the time skip at all, definitely threw me off. I admire the world building and the parallels that the author made, middle east, religion, geopolitics stuff. I definitely enjoyed the movie more. I'm still gonna buy the second book just to see where the story goes.

[–]the-goose- 8 points9 points  (6 children)

Personally recommend the second book. It finishes off Paul's story nicely and completes the first book well.

Much easier to read aswell being quite a bit shorter

[–]jeobleo 5 points6 points  (5 children)

It's fucking weird though.

[–]zhilia_mann 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not half as weird as the fourth one.

[–]SalamiSavior 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Second book is what really kicks off the original series for me. Lots more world building, learn about some of the other races of humans that do weird things. It doesn't get really weird until chapter house and heratics but I love them too.

[–]TechFiend72 4 points5 points  (5 children)

I never really like Dune as a book.

I really don't care for the writing style.

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    [–]toddf74 10 points11 points  (9 children)

    Dune is not a good choice to get started. Try something a little less dense

    [–]ionjody 3 points4 points  (7 children)

    Terry Pratchett

    [–]toddf74 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson was an easy and fun reqd

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    That's a lot less dense lol

    [–]Urwifesmugglescorn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I dunno, depends on the depth you're really willing to go into with the sociopolitical landscape of Ankh-Morphork and whether or not you feel it's more impressive to put a sword into a stone than to pull it out.

    [–]justmelike 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    No idea what you've been downvoted for. Pterry is a great suggestion for those who have fallen out of love with reading novels.

    [–]ionjody 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    It's fun without being stupid. Nobody can carry humanity's burden all the time.

    [–]little_brown_bat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Plus they're not incredibly long novels so they don't feel as daunting.

    [–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (2 children)

    It's because you considered it work. And the old Soviet expression is "They pretend to pay us, we pretend to work."

    But to be fair, institutional settings have a knack for taking the fun out of everything. Especially when rote learning and competitions are involved.

    [–]snorlz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    It's because you considered it work.

    But to be fair, institutional settings have a knack for taking the fun out of everything

    because those are the same thing unless you are taking a non-academic class that has no grade or pass/fail

    [–]ssducf 9 points10 points  (2 children)

    I love reading and I typically read between a book a day and a book a week, and I did that all through highschool. (Some books might take me a month or more to read, but I'll read others at the same time and still end up with a book a week on average.)

    Having said that, there's some books I was forced to read for classes, and I now hate those books and a few I've gone back and re-read as an adult and enjoyed them, but it is hard. Sometimes studying literature ruins it. Shakespeare wasn't written to be read as a homework assignment, it was meant to be theater entertainment.

    That reminds me. I read a science fiction story where someone went back in time and grabbed Shakespeare and brought him forward and enrolled him in a Shakespeare literature course, and he flunked it. :-P I think the author was trying to say, authors don't always like the way their own books are used in classes.

    [–]VicisSubsisto 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    That reminds me. I read a science fiction story where someone went back in time and grabbed Shakespeare and brought him forward and enrolled him in a Shakespeare literature course, and he flunked it. :-P I think the author was trying to say, authors don't always like the way their own books are used in classes.

    Sara Holbrook can relate.

    [–]little_brown_bat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I like novels that adapt Shakespearean plays and make them into their own work. Some examples would be Pratchett's Wyrd Sisters, or Moore's Fool.

    [–]Fake_Human_Being 27 points28 points  (3 children)

    Without wanting to sound harsh, that’s not the school’s fault, it’s your own fault.

    Not everyone enjoys reading classic literature, and if you don’t enjoy reading those books, just don’t read them.

    If you prefer contemporary fiction or light novels, go with it. People can get into this mindset where they feel they need to “win” reading by forcing themselves to read classic or complicated novels when you don’t need to and you should just read something you enjoy

    [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

    fr tho

    as an avid reader of classics, I am just loud and opinionated and classics are more fun to argue about than the latest YA disaster (seriously, talking about why a YA novel is bad feels like picking on kindergartners). But I read classics because I enjoy them. Because they are tied to history and I love diving into them. If someone can't read classics, that's fine. You don't have to. Read something else. There's plenty of good contemporary fiction that's just as deep and introspective, if that's what you want.

    [–]Kumagawa-Fan-No-1 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Bruh even ya fans say ya is trash you are talking like they don't know it

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I mean yeah but like if everyone's talking about how bad a book is, it gets a bit boring to me.

    [–]fannylogan 28 points29 points  (0 children)

    You probably don't enjoy classic lit and you should just accept that and be happy. There's no obligation to read it. What would make you think you should?

    [–]iremovebrains 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Pick a nonfiction you're interested in reading. Learn for the joy of learning. Then read something modern fiction you're interested in. Read for the love of reading. Then judge someone for enjoying Dan brown and you're back, baby.

    [–]cmgr33n3 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    It passes. I had an active bias against the classics when I left high school. Would read anything except them. Then about a decade later I got over myself and started intentionally including them here and there. Literally teared up at the end of A Tale of Two Cities.

    [–]CptNonsense 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    This thread is a fiasco

    [–]NameInCrimson 103 points104 points  (5 children)

    No, that's weird.

    [–]mandajapanda 82 points83 points  (2 children)

    This was my reaction. You go to college to develop an analytical mind and attention to detail and OP is complaining about it. I see nothing wrong with remembering quotes from books I am reading because I would have to ID who wrote certain passages on a midterm.

    [–]Non_possum_decernere 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    Yes. For quite some time I did not enjoy reading in English, because even though I was good enough to understand everything, I was not good enough to enjoy the writing, which to me is half the joy of reading.

    [–]No_Technician1257 39 points40 points  (1 child)

    I really don't know what advice to give, because I don't really understand this type of problem since I never made a distinction between "classics" and "the rest of the books", for me they were all books and that's it. I think people should stop fucking with that stupid distinction and read the book and nothing else. I always see people on this subreddit talking about how they're afraid of reading classics, how they get stressed thinking about classics, how they're afraid of being dumb and not understanding "the metaphors" and "the allegories" and blah blah blah. It's a fucking book. It does not bite. Does nothing. It's like any damn book out there. I'll give you some advice that is going to be useful: read with a dictionary next to you, go and look for a word you don't understand, that way you will expand your vocabulary and it will be easier for you to understand complex texts. And read only what interests you and don't analyze shit if you don't want to. I'm a staunch fan of Moby Dick and I don't understand anything that people see in this book, what if Noah's ark, what if allegories, wtf, where do people see that shit? Just enjoy the book your way. Sorry for the mistakes. Just be happy and read what you want.

    I do not speak English.

    [–]Fair_University 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    It's a fucking book. It does not bite. Does nothing. It's like any damn book out there. I

    Thank you. It’s so obvious to me but it’s strange to me that people develop these weird hang ups. It’s just a book, pick it up and try reading a few chapters. Then the next day do the same thing and then again the day after. If you don’t like it then it’s up to you to decide if you want to keep going or not.

    Many of “the classics” were just popular novels from 100-150 years ago that have been adopted by English professors in a kind of shared curriculum.

    [–]Se7enLC 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    Everything is mandatory in school.

    [–]thefatherlord3 118 points119 points  (20 children)

    I feel like you just never liked reading to begin with...I love reading even though I read a TON in high school and college and had plenty of assignments. Now I get to read with no assignments so it's even more enjoyable.

    [–]archwaykitten 117 points118 points  (5 children)

    I’ve never seen anyone complain that they can’t study Physics outside of school because a teacher “ruined” it for them, or that doing Calculus feels too much like work after all those homework assignments. But with books it’s always someone else’s fault.

    [–]CinnamonSniffer 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Dog I had one of those accelerated math tracks in high school until I had a huge jerk teacher so I dropped back into normal math cause I thought I just didn’t get math and now I’m really not good at anything past simple solving for x. Tragically, I tried to teach myself calculus recently, and it’s really not so bad, at least the beginning of my book, but I work a full time job and just don’t want to do math for fun when math by and large has always been miserable for me, ya dig?

    Shoutout to Redditors that balance a 120 hour workday with a 3,000 credit hour semester and an entire concubine of women and their children to feed and attend to while also practicing physics for fun or something. You guys don’t need to reply to me.

    [–]TheKateMossOfFatties 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    I could see it if they were forced to perform physics well enough for a good grade for years on end. Where they couldn't go at their own speed. Where if they made a mistake on a test and got a bad grade, resulting in being punished at home. Having that for years, yeah I 100% coils see someone not wanting to get into physics again for a while. Even if they liked it.

    Same with a kid who's forced into sports growing up who then stop as an adult due to not being forced, but not wanting to get back into it. If something is stressful enough despite even having some enjoyment, it can definitely be aversive to step back into

    [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Where did you think math anxiety comes from? I've never seen a toddler crying from counting toys, but I've seen a lot of young adults breaking out in sweat over percentages. If you haven't heard these things it's because you're not listening.

    [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    You’ll find your way to them in your own time. Don’t pressure yourself into trying to enjoy something you currently don’t, just go where the mood takes you.

    For me, it wasn’t a sudden overnight thing where something just clicked and I started devouring books. It was a gradual process over the course of years where I slowly chipped away at my list whenever I felt inspired.

    [–]thwgrandpigeon 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Enjoy the fruits of your labour.

    If you were forced to read romantic or victorian lit, and you love fantasy lit, read johnathan strange and mr norrell.

    Or if you had to read Paradise Lost and also love fantasy lit, read the Silmarillian and enjoy the feel of it feeling like pulp lit.

    And also, catch some great stagings of hamlet amd macbeth if you studied them, since you'll remember most of the plot and can just be blown away by the humanity of both pieces.

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I had the entire opposite reaction.

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      [–]Shashara -1 points0 points  (4 children)

      i agree otherwise except that you don't, in fact, have to challenge yourself. you can read for fun... forever. you can "get stuck" in YA. it literally does not matter what you read if you enjoy it.

      i'm sure most of us challenge ourselves in many areas of our lives, reading doesn't have to be one of those things. it can be just a hobby, something to take your mind off real life responsibilities.

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        [–]rookwoodo 18 points19 points  (7 children)

        I was on the same boat, but then I read a fiction book about how schools banned some prolific books and I enjoyed the book so I decided fuck it I'll read these prolific books which were just shit like catcher in the rye, farenheit 451, animal farm and shit.

        It took a mediocre YA fiction book that I forgot the name of to convince me to read the classics.

        [–]ApprehensiveTough563 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        Really interested in the title of the fiction book. Banned books are my speciality, really interested in reading a YA title that discusses that issue. If you remember the title or the author, please let me know!

        [–]rookwoodo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Ah, I wish I could find the perfect search terms for it. If I put the word 'ban' and 'book' in the same search bar it just comes back with page after page of articles and stuff about banned books.

        All I remember from the plot is a school (or the country itself) banned certain books. A kid finds some of these books, reads them, gets confused on why they were banned, shares it with his crush to impress her but she ultimately betrays him to the school and I forgot what happened next.

        [–]gravgp2003 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Never read catcher in the rye is it any good? I'm reading through all the classics that I never bothered to pick up. I was shocked at how good the giver was along with the ones you mentioned. Out of the dystopian I think 1984 was by far the best. Finished the sun also rises last night. Shit was fire.

        [–]Rambling_to_Myself 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Some people love it, some people hate it.

        Personally, while I was reading it, I found it to be a bit tedious. While the book is an easy read, it's written from the perspective of a 16 year old who can come off as just complaining and whining about everything.

        But, once I reached the end and everything came out, and the symbolism finally clicked in my thick skull, I was glad to have read it. It's weird to describe because I didn't enjoy reading the book that much but, after finishing it, I appreciated it. I don't know if it's one I'll ever go back through, but I understand why so many people love it.

        Also, the obligatory: Holden needs help.

        [–]paullannon1967 17 points18 points  (1 child)

        I absolutely hate this idea. It is not impossible to enjoy reading as an adult, and it certainly isn't anything to do with "mandatory reading in high school". The idea that you characterise the reading you did in highschool so negatively is perhaps an indication of your current reluctance. High school is where you learned how to read. How it is that learning something in the first place would ruin your future enjoyment of it is just silly and doesn't make any sense.

        It's perhaps more likely that the kinds of things you read in school don't interest you any more (people do change as they grow), or you're too busy and too tired to engage your mind after a busy work week (this is the main factor in the slower pace of my reading lately).

        Why don't you try a few shorter and less demanding titles to ease you back in? I always try to read something funny and easy going in between longer and more demanding reads.

        You absolutely can get back into reading, you're just seeing it as a chore rather than something you actually want to do. If you don't want to, that's fine, but rather than blaming the thing that taught you how to read, just keep trying. If you're not enjoying "classics" think about reading something else. It's not a failure to put down a book you aren't enjoying!

        [–]Kumagawa-Fan-No-1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        BTW op said he is still reading just not classics

        [–]Solitary-Dolphin 30 points31 points  (0 children)

        With all due respect, stop whining and get over it.

        [–]MrRabbit7 30 points31 points  (1 child)

        Look, it’s the daily anti-intellectual and anti-literature post.

        [–]CinnamonSniffer 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        Reading Frankenstein makes u an intellectual fr fr

        [–]iamamuttonhead 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        It goes away. Just takes time.

        [–]mandoa_sky 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        funnily enough, after my degree, it's been next to impossible for me to not turn off my "make notes while reading" side.

        [–]paullannon1967 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        It's been 10 years and I still see this as an essential part of reading. It's not a bad thing or a good thing, it's just how I read.

        [–]Bodorocea 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        Many things that were mandatory while growing up have left me unable to enjoy them later in life. Luckily, sometimes life gave me the chance to reconsider my position towards some of them.

        One example :

        When i was arround 9 - 12 yo, during the summers we would visit one of my grandma's sisters, in the countryside. They had a good business there, selling flowers and watermelons. Of course, the watermelons were the main attraction. But.. The thing was they never let me eat watermelon as much as i wanted, because they said "it has no nutrients, it's mostly just water" so for that reason i had to eat tomatoes. So much so that i started to hate tomatoes. I couldn't eat tomatoes for years. They made me sick. The smell, the seeds, the skin. Until one day ,some years later after a long and wonderful summer day of playing basketball with a friend, i stopped by his house on my way back to mine. His mother had prepared some sandwiches. Offered me one. I was hungry as a wolf. But the sandwich? Cheese and tomatoes. I thought, shit.. But the hunger said : we are eating that, fuck off with your opinions about tomatoes. And i took a bite and it was the best thing i tasted in years. Like the hunger had rewired my brain. I went straight home, and had to see if it really cured me, i took a tomato and some cheese, and to my surprise, i liked it again. To this day it is one of my favorite foods in the summer, cheese and tomatoes.

        I guess the moral of the story is that sometimes the need for something will help you get closer to that which you previously despised, of had formed an injust or hasty opinion on. And give it time.

        Peace!

        [–]disdkatster 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        For books that are in a form of language that is different from what you typically read, I find reading out loud to myself makes a difference. It slows me down and forces me to engage in what I am reading. Try putting a beat to anything that is poetic.

        [–]vandalia 3 points4 points  (5 children)

        Since I fulfilled those requirements with Cliff’s Notes I find it fun nowadays to fill in the details.

        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        If I might suggest, start very basic by reading a few short graphic novels that really rivet your attention--or comics if you like those. Strong attraction to reading something, strong curiosity and a feeling of pleasure as you read--those should guide you. Don't "try" to read anything, esp. "great lit." Read ONLY what you love and never stop. Eventually you'll 'rehabilitate' your ability to enjoy reading.

        [–]MadAL96 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        The burn out is very real, my best advice would be to not "force" yourself to read as this will just end up feeling like a chore. Accept the fact you're going through a burn out and only read when you're 100% in the mood, try starting with smaller/easier books too to ease back into it. You'll pick it back up eventually!

        [–]mcshaggy 16 points17 points  (0 children)

        You sound like the people who complain that leftists made them Nazis.

        [–]orangeandblue06 25 points26 points  (7 children)

        English teacher here.

        I understand how you feel, and I’m sorry that it’s gotten to that point for you. The goal of any English teacher is to make what you’re reading pleasurable - or, as I say to my kids, even if you don’t enjoy it, per se, you can still understand its importance in the world.

        Classic literature is tough for me, too. I’m currently reading The Count of Monte Cristo and it’s a slog. But there are moments that intrigue me and keep me going.

        What I always say is, find the book, the chapter, hell even a sentence that you love. Sometimes we think appreciation only has to be the macro, when the joy of literature is often the micro.

        Patience is key - in the meantime, if classic lit isn’t your bag right now, then read what you love! Any reading is good reading. A classic will show up when the time is right and make you fall in love again.

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          [–]JiminyFrickinCricket 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          The movie "V" where everyone gets those 'anonymous' Guy Fauks masks, is a modern adaptation (and explicitly an homage) that would lend a little credence to your interpretation.

          [–]YouMadeMeGetThisAcco 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          I didnt even need to write too much about them, I think most our book reports were like one page or so. We just mostly had to read a ton of classics just to have read them. I was an avid reader so the reading itself was a total breeze, but since we were forced to read classics before I was old enough to appreciate them properly, I have an irrational hatred for most classic litterature still to this day. So I sort of have the issue but I have no idea to fix it, I'm still the same ~20 years later haha. Good luck though!

          [–]sanantoniosaucier 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          I totally know what you mean. I blame everyone else for my lack of motivation when it just me deciding to not do something. It's such a relief that I've got an easy excuse for anything that might be good for me to do but I really don't want to in the moment. Exercise? Yeah, it'd be good, but it's the fault of my little league coach that I don't like it. Cleaning my house? I might like it, but since my parents made me clean my room as a child, I just can't bring myself to clean. Eating vegetables? I'd like to try, but it's my mother's fault that I can't.

          I wish I could just be an adult and take responsibility for myself, but since everyone always told me to grow up, I just can't bring myself to be a functioning adult. It's everyone else's fault and I've got no way whatsoever to make any choices.

          [–]testfire10 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Try again later. I had a similar problem and 15 years later, I’m just now revisiting the classics.

          [–]MrAmishJoe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          It wasn't until after my 30s that I was able to go back and read the classics from childhood and actually enjoy them. Luckily it never took my overall love of reading....but I'll be damned if I could ever enjoy a book if I was doing it for research/quiz purposes...but I guess it has helped me enjoy reading overall....understanding writing, styles, structure...whatever... has helped me enjoy the difference between good and mediocre wriring. And I'm in no way saying 'mediocre' writing can't be super enjoyable... But some people can tell a good story...but...but some people can make love to paper with a pen. And I think the BS they made us do helped me understand the difference in some way...or atleast helped me learn to figure out those things on my own.

          But my stupid insignificant rant aside...i hope you find your love of reading. I've regretted a lot in life...but the only thing I've ever regretted about a good book is that it ended.

          [–]YoungAnachronism 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I don't know... did you ever truly LIKE specifically classic literature?

          I am not a big classic literature guy myself, because even being exposed to it during my regular schooling was a hassle and a turn off. That said, one of my favourite books was, and remains the Sherlock Holmes book I have, which contains all the stories for that character that were penned by Arthur Conan Doyle.

          Although you could argue that they aren't written the same was a novel might be, I still love the language used, the artful way in which characters are depicted, the luscious way that Holmes speaks...

          Just read something that isn't necessarily classical. You aren't required to read classic literature, or enjoy it. But you should absolutely read fiction. Try sci-fi! Try thrillers! Get in the gutter with the rest of us muggles lol!

          [–]discodiscgod 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          You don’t HAVE to read classical literature. Read whatever the heck you want. I primarily read non-fiction (business books, biographies, history). I’ve never had any desire to read the classics, so I don’t.

          [–]LeoMariusbook currently reading: The Talented Mr. Ripley 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I got a history degree. I was reading so much for school that I stopped reading for fun. It takes a while to rediscover pleasure reading. The last thing you want to do to relax is what you do all day for work.

          [–]argella1300 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Reminds me of how I ended up reading 1984 on my own in my senior year of high school while on an exchange trip in Shanghai. The crazier thing is, I picked up that copy of 1984 in the equivalent of a Borders in a mall in downtown Shanghai.

          [–]jolhar[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          No. School introduced me to literature. It’s where I learnt to love it.

          [–]gabrielemenopee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Stop and listen to yourself.

          If school ruined classics for you then you probably just don't like to read classical lit that much. Everyone had to read books we didn't love in school and even more in college. That isn't going to ruin your ability to enjoy a book.

          There's no rule that says you have to love classical literature. If it feels like work to read it then you probably just don't like it and you should read other things.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Sometimes, it is work to read classics and that's part of what makes them more enjoyable. That is one of the most important things I learned in all my English classes doing all those papers and homework assignments; you get out what you put in.

          [–]di0ny5us 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Suck it up and read what you like and want to read then. Revisit the classics with something cool like the Victorian horror classics… or whatever interests you. Try Frankenstein and Dracula. If you put a book down part way - there’s no shame in that. I did it after a classics streak with Heart of Darkness (was unreadable for me).

          [–]redhighways 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          I’m the opposite. I really enjoy a book more when I begin to see the grace behind the writing, the way the author has effortlessly woven meanings behind actions, sometimes in complex layers.

          For me, the story is one part of the fun, but the art of it isn’t painful, it’s beautiful.

          [–]Ampersandbox 6 points7 points  (1 child)

          I understand this feeling. I've had similar reactions to being compelled by others.
          You need to understand the reaction you're feeling is one that you've chosen. You can insist that it was imposed on you, but that makes you a victim. You're the only person with the power to turn your reaction on its head, and make gains on being able to enjoy classic literature again.

          [–]Wack_Shizzles 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          One of the most sensible comments here

          [–]_Balrog_of_Morgoth_Lord of the Rings 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Mandatory reading in school helped me appreciate classic literature. Everyone has a different experience.

          [–]Aprilprinces 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I am not buying this at all

          Mostly because I ONLY read classics BECAUSE they made me to, my choice would always be something easier

          You just don't like it

          [–]librarianne209 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Indeed, I most definitely went through what you are going through. I diverged and enjoyed the many other types of books that are out there to enjoy. Explore some different types of fiction -- enjoy popular fiction, mystery fiction, historic fiction, non-fiction, non-fiction that reads like fiction -- so many beauties out there!

          [–]Slacker5001 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          For me it was actually mandatory reading in college that brought back some of my love for reading. Specifically because I had a really amazing professor.

          He did themed courses where we read a variety of things and even analyzed movies too. I could read the book for class. Then in the lecture he'd go over an analysis of the parts we read. He taught me to see themes in the book. And also taught me that there wasn't a "right way" to read and analyze a book. He brought life to books I would have otherwise never even read. And showed me that even books I didn't like could have interesting themes and ideas.

          It was high school that killed it for me. Mainly because I had to read things I had absolutely no interest in. And then was never really taught what to do with the information I read. I read it because I had to. Then made some final product at the end because I had to. No one ever brought life into what I read back then.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Sorry never had this problem! I just love reading so much. I'd say, give it time, and focus on reading what YOU want to read. Maybe say to yourself, ha, I'm going to read THIS book, even though my classes never assigned it, I'm reading what I want to read, to hell w/ what my teachers wanted me to read, or said I SHOULD read. Make it an indulgence, a little rebellion, maybe then you can associate it w your own pleasure rather than duty.

          [–]VivaZane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Working in the biology field and having to read 1000s of papers. I have lost my will to read for fun. :'(

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I can relate. School can totally ruin pleasure reading. Give it time. A years from now you will likely be over it.

          [–]Bermakan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Some for me with latin authors (went to school in Chile).

          [–]kindanormle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I'm just going to throw it out there that classical writing styles are quite different from modern styles, and it's just not easy to read them period. Schools forcing you to read them are really the only way to get modern readers introduced to them. I've found that it's a lot easier to read a modern adaptation of the original. The difficulty is in finding a modern adaptation that stays true to the original intent.

          [–]catsareweirdroomates 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Hey, read what you love! The books on the classics lists are good but they are not the only good books out there. Not to mention the preponderance of old/dead white men. The best books are the ones that bring you joy. Beyond that don’t worry about it.

          If you want to have an idea of what a specific book is about so you can understand pop culture references or conversations with those who have read them, the wikis and spark notes summaries are a great resource.

          I used to want to be Rory Gilmore with her enormous list of classic lit so bad but it turns out you can’t just borrow an identity from other people. When I finally settled into myself, it turns out there are a few of those books that I like but I’m really into speculative fiction and I have different ambitions than some fictional girl.

          TLDR: read what makes you happy. Life’s too short for anything less

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I think at the time I was forced to read classic literature in school, I wasn't mature enough to appreciate it (I pretty much wasn't interested in anything that didn't have swords or lasers), and that caused me to experience a kind of backlash against not just classic literature, but pretty much all of non-SFF literature which lasted well into adulthood, and so I read nothing but SFF until my 30s.

          For some reason, a lot of my hatred of classics was focused on To Kill A Mockingbird, even though I hadn't actually read much of it and couldn't remember a thing about it. I just resented being forced to read it when I didn't want to. Then, when I was 37 and getting pretty fed up with badly written generic fantasy novels, I picked up tKaM on a whim, and was surprised to find I enjoyed it far more than any fantasy book I'd read in the previous decade.

          I think it was just time and maturity that I needed, but I still resent school for forcing me to study books when I wasn't ready for them. I'm now 40 and catching up on what feels like a lifetime of reading.

          [–]IndigenousBastard 6 points7 points  (14 children)

          Tbf, there’s a massive amount of classic literature, or even books on the top 100 list that are absolute garbage. Who really thinks Atlas Shrugged is one of the best books ever made?

          [–]charvakcpatel007 8 points9 points  (13 children)

          That book is considered top 100? I thought average opinion on this book was quite low. Book sucks though. One should never read that 1200 page propaganda.

          [–]Cup0Jo 1 point2 points  (11 children)

          Is it really that bad? I picked up a copy of it for free and plan to read it eventually. I’ve read a few pages and some bad reviews of it but I’m hoping that since it’s so popular there’s at least something worth reading or thought-provoking in those 1,200 pages.

          [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          Give it a go. I read it out of curiosity and ended up really enjoying it and I don't agree with Rand's philosophy. There's a huge monologue chapter it could have done without though.

          [–]charvakcpatel007 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Problem is book seemed quite promising to me at start. But then books falls off halfway pretty much. I say strong no to give it a try is that there are just much better options. It's 1200 pages of not so an easy read. If you are gonna invest that kind of efforts, why not just go for many of the better options.

          [–]IndigenousBastard 1 point2 points  (6 children)

          Her writing isn’t bad, it’s just the overall composition of the book. She makes a good solid point, especially in this day and age, but she repeats the same things over and over. She can make a simple thing like somebody walking into a room and how everybody reacts to it, into 4 pages, when it should have been two sentences. She will then use that some prose many more times in her book to exemplify the same idea. She doesn’t stop there and will do it 15 more times throughout the entire book. I’m honestly not sure if it’s cause she was so smart and thinks everyone else is dumb (likely from the point of the book) or if it’s because she was on one substance or another when she wrote it.

          [–]Cup0Jo 1 point2 points  (5 children)

          That writing does sound dull. Are the positions she takes well argued? If I end up reading it and she takes four pages to describe someone walking into a room, I’d at least hope I’m getting some sort of steelman of an argument since this book is held in such high regard by fiscally conservative folks and I’m looking to hear their best arguments

          [–]IndigenousBastard 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Without giving too much away, it’s basically a reflection on the productive people of society and the lazy. Condemning the latter and posing a question on whether society as whole deserves what economical titans bring to the table. It’s a whole lot of philosophy about common people being a waste of space. It dives into the idea that the upper echelon are beyond societies principal standards and should be treated as such. It’s a little like Bioshock, the video game, if you’ve played that…. In principal, not much at all in story.

          [–]charvakcpatel007 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          If your aim is to hear the other side, then better search for other materials online than read this 1400 page book which will easily take you over 60 hour of reading time.

          As far as well argued part goes, she says everything we should be selfish and that is the optimal path to make world better. You serve others by serving yourself.
          Also she has strong ideas about merit which I agree. There are other things too but these two ideas are hammered through out the book ( true for the fountainhead too ).

          Now for the first point which says being selfish is optimal path to make world better , economists have already discovered game theory which says that behaving selfishly might not always be good for the group. Now game theory came half century after this book but it is pretty much accepted solution and there is a reason why the guy who found this got nobel prize ( watch A beautiful mind, its about the guy )

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Is it really that bad?

          It's a book that turned me into an asshole for 6 months before I snapped out of it (or until Brothers Karamazov snapped me out of it).

          However, Ayn Rand conveniently provides a 75 page long speech that is just a summation of her philosophy in chapter 8. It's great since you can just read that chapter and then become conversant in Objectivism.

          [–]wjbc 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          I recommend reading genre classics that are more fun than literary. Alexandre Dumas's The Count of Monty Cristo and The Three Musketeers, Sir Walter Scott's Ivanhoe, Arthur Conan Doyle's stories of Sherlock Holmes, J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings, Isaac Asimov's Foundation series -- don't pick classics because would be taught in school, but classics that sound fun to you.

          [–]ihbarddx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I was lousy in English class, and frequently didn't read (the entirety of) the books I was assigned. Happy to report that I had the very opposite reaction as a result. Got on a kick where I read all the books I had been supposed to read. Had a great time with _Ivanhoe_ and _Moby Dick_. _The Scarlet Letter_, however, was a lot worse than I had remembered it!

          [–]swissiws 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Today students'vocabulary is shit because we've stopped enforcing classics reading

          [–]F4il3d 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Either you want to read or you don't. Most everyone out there reading on a regular basis was subjected to the mandatory requirement and rigors of schoolwork. Similarly Mathematics. Some enjoy math and some do not, but that affinity grows out of curiosity. Excuses are like grapes, they come in bunches. If one does not suffice there will be another. It is the rigor of pushing out the whole bunch and trying things out, regardless of the comfort that putting the task aside may bring, that rewards you with the indescribable joy of discovery.

          [–]44035 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          So stop reading classics and start reading current fiction and/or genre fiction.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Ah this post again. Hadn't seen it in a few days, I was starting to worry about you, /r/books

          [–]enidkeaner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I kind of don't get this point of view.

          I don't understand - genuinely - how love of reading can be ruined by any external factors. You decide how you feel about something.

          I'm working on a Master's in English right now. English has always been my favorite subject, but it's truly a hell of a lot of reading and writing. I still read for pleasure. I have never not read for pleasure. I read for pleasure in high school and in undergrad while also reading the assigned texts - I think in my entire academic career, there were about 3 books I actually hated. "Things Fall Apart", "Their Eyes Were Watching God", and "The Mayor of Casterbridge". All classics I read in high school; hated them all and yet, the didn't affect how I feel about classics as a whole.

          I like the classics; I genuinely enjoy them, mostly. I don't see the classics as work even though they're what I have to read and have had to read for school; I just...don't associate them with work. I see them as books that possibly have deeply interesting insides that someone decided to use as a tool for teaching. So, they've never been work. I think your issue is that you've decided to see them as work rather than just as a book that exists out in the world.

          I still read while doing an insane amount of literature based academic work because I don't allow the insane amount of literature based amount of academic work affect how I feel about reading as a whole. And I still read a lot of classics. It's always been fun for me, it's always gonna be fun for me - that's just how I see it. And the assigned texts I read that I didn't care for? I didn't dwell on how they made me feel. I just read 'em, took what I needed to know from them, used them as I needed to, and kept it moving.

          Reading has been my hobby since I was like 3. I will be damned if I allow anything or anyone to take one of the things I enjoy the most about this world from me.

          For you, specifically? Maybe it would be best, if you really want to continue to read the classics, to seek out lesser known classics - might be easier for you to convince yourself it's not work if it's an author you've never heard of or haven't heard much about? Or mix in the classics with other contemporary reading - it's not like you have to be all classics, all the time?

          Also - ask yourself why you want to read the classics anyway? Like...who or what is making you do this other than the arbitrary boundary you're putting on yourself. You're not gonna die because you didn't hit up Dickens one last time. Are you genuinely, deeply interested in classic literature or are you reading it because you feel like you should or that you have to? Because if it's the latter, put it aside and don't worry about it for now and come back later if you feel the urge to read them because you want to. Like I said, I love the classics and I really do believe many of them deserve to be taught but I think most readers could probably benefit from reading at least some. But you don't benefit from them if you're not actually open to them and you're just reading them because you see it as chore that needs to be done.

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            [–]CapablePerformance 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Had this feeling after middle and high school; the connection between reading and "what was the breakfast that the main character ate?" and "Analyze the connection between the main characters actions in chapter 4 and chapter 6" questionares destroyed any enjoyment I had in reading. It felt like I couldn't just relax and get lost in a book, I had to read into every small detail from a scholastic standpoint.

            What worked for me was to read some easy books. It might be childish but I went back and read some goosebumps books and some YA novels that're pretty basic reading, nothing too challenging. Then just moved up.

            [–]Djcool2002 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I always thought I hated classical lit and I always had trouble reading books in school, until I read the three musketeers and loved it.

            [–]Pdxthorns17 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I sounds alot like burnout. Art kids get this after finishing art majors and eventually the passion of creativity comes back.

            [–]mothermucca 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            I get it. was in my 30’s before I could read books at all, and about 45 before I read anything that would be considered classic literature.

            Now I usually have 2-3 books going at a time, and at least one of them is a classic. I appreciate that I can slow down, take my time, and enjoy them now, without having to get bogged down in note taking.

            My advice would be to spend time figuring out what you like to read now, and read that. You may get back into classics again,or you may decide you’ve done enough of that for one lifetime. Either way, it’s fine.